Surprised blogosphere's been meh 'bout web-based MOG (http://mog.com/ - U.S. only), but gaga over Spotify (http://www.spotify.com/en/ - Europe-only). Is it all about the $5?
I've been a firm believer in (and paying supporter of) music-in-the-cloud services for more than five years, and I find it both puzzling and frustrating that proportionally few of my fellow geeks seem to share my love for this stuff.
- Adam Lasnik
Yeah, but you can't fault me for non-disclosure ;-). So with that said, assuming that it's a usable service with a good library (you'll just have to take my word on that), would *you* be apt to pay $5 for it?
- Adam Lasnik
Nice service! My only reservation is that their library is pretty spotty on indie labels, even some of the larger ones (for example, try searching for anything on Warp).
- Matt Stanton
hmm, that's a bummer! If you've tried other online music service's, how do you feel MOG's library compares? One of their execs insisted in TechCrunch comments (assuming no impersonation) that MOG's library was just as big as Rhapsody's and such, but I found this not to be the case :(.
- Adam Lasnik
I haven't tried any of the other all-you-can-eat services, but emusic is generally a lot better about having what I'm looking for. Then again, emusic started with indie labels.
- Matt Stanton
i really need to get my brother to set up a proxy for me. re: paying. sure, if i like the service. just signed up for free trial of sugarsync and am thinking i might pay for real. i should go back and add up how much i've spent on iphone apps. i'm sure it's a lot.
- Rocky
Life isn't fair. Spotify is the best streaming service I have ever tested. I (full disclosure as always) was given a free premium account, here in the US, and have the iPhone app also. So that goes a long way. But even with that, it has had a dramatically positive impact on the way I listen to music. It is smart and sharp, and I've never felt that from any alternative.
- Louis Gray
So, with the disclaimer that I have no affiliation with any music service other than as a user, I am curious to know what aspects of Spotify you like better than MOG. I have tried both services, and so far like MOG a bit better due to social aspects and the fact that I can share (at least 30 second snippets of) music with friends with a real web URL rather than requiring them to...
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- Adam Lasnik
I will look into it more and give you an answer soon, Adam. I am not claiming expertise.
- Louis Gray
i don't get why should i pay to get less streaming content than i already find on youtube. As far as I tried, the better library is still on youtube (i mostly play long tail songs), and it also has permalinks to share songs. I did some searches on both services you mentioned and they miss too many artists that i like. If there was a PRO subscription on youtube (where youtube pays a share for the song's revenue based maybe on the number of streams) i would probably go for it.
- righini riprova
"Simply awesome in nearly every way. I ate here with three friends last night on New Year's Eve. Not only had Lers Ros Thai not jacked up their prices like so many other places do on this night...…"
- Adam Lasnik
"This was my first trip to Philz and -- since it was in the evening -- I was sadly resigned to getting a decaf cup o' Joe. Unsurprisingly, there weren't nearly as many decaf as regular choices, but…"
- Adam Lasnik
"I was just here with 8 friends last night for a NYE celebration. I'm embarrassed to admit that this was only my 2nd time at the symphony hall, despite living in the Bay Area for 10 years. Oops! A…"
- Adam Lasnik
It's not actually Jesus Christ's birthday by the way, J. Abdul-Qahhar.
- Alex Scoble
Because watching it in real life would be technologically more difficult until someone invents a Time Machine. And the in-limited-preview Google Time Travel service doesn't count because... oh, damn, I've said too much! :o P.S. -- I wouldn't eat what you're planning for lunch next Thursday, Alex, you'll end up with a stomach ache.
- Adam Lasnik
Who plans lunch 5 days out? I have trouble deciding 5 minutes before.
- Cristo
@Adam Black women generally don't wash their hair daily (leads to excessive breakage due to oil stripping) and they most certainly do not go through the process of washing, blow drying, sometimes straightening, and curling right before school. This assumes that the girl even does that herself. A lot of black women only get their hair washed (wash and set) at the salon, usually once a week.
- EricaJoy
Ah, I thought it might have to do with something like that, but wasn't sure. Thanks for the clue'ing in!
- Adam Lasnik
Why? Because some of the IFEs feature a little map thingy showing where your plane is in the world, and lord knows that terrorists couldn't possibly have GPS watches or phones with GPS or the ability to look out the window and see, whoa, now we're over land. I swear, this is one of the (sadly many) times I'm embarrassed to be American. This is dumber than dumb.
- Adam Lasnik
Yes, I know it's to get more ad views. But -- especially when the pages feature not only annoying on-page ads but also pop-ups that are designed to bust through pop-up blockers -- it's clear that these sites have no respect for their users. Of course, users are also somewhat to blame: I would pay $3-5/year, for instance, for Men's Health online content, but would others? If enough others did, I'm sure we could all enjoy an ad-free service, but people (and I'm referring to those who are in a position to afford extra expenses) seem almost allergic to the idea of paying for online content, and I think that's sad.
- Adam Lasnik
Yes, seriously. For Real Simple specifically the print version has TONS of ads... but they layout is pretty in print. Unlike the one page per idea setup they have going for the same content online, ugh.
- Kelly Seiler
yup, yup. They all rely on great special effects to attract moviegoers
- Claudia Petrilli
Yes, but at least this one was definitely attractive. So pretty. Now excuse me while I go blow shit up.
- Greg Grothaus
I thought the framework of the plot was fine, but the characterizations didn't stray from their archetypes. A little more interesting characters and the plot would have felt classic instead of cliched. Still absolutely loved it though, and will see it again.
- Ryan Moulton
So far, I've just found one other friend who thought this was largely a stinker. Clearly I am crankier than most & in the minority on this one :P. Or people who share my tastes have smartly decided to avoid going to see the film.
- Adam Lasnik
Dollhouse was crap. Ugly Betty is also crap but crap that doesn't shove super skinny "hot" chicks down my throat at every turn. Main character? Regular sized. One of the few shows on TV where this happens. I'll keep watching.
- EricaJoy
from IM
EricaJoy, if you stick by that criteria (and I agree with you about this issue being annoying), then you're gonna have a LOT less reading and watching material. And dear media: personally, I enjoy looking at *fit* women, but what's with the continued anorexic-looking obsession?! I thought we got past Twiggy years ago...
- Adam Lasnik
Ugly Betty is regular sized? ROFL She's not ugly at all!
- Alex Scoble
She's a size 10/12. A far cry from the 0/2's we see on TV. I will support a prime time show that has an average sized main character. Also? It's funny. :D
- EricaJoy
Dollhouse is far from Whedon's best work, but I still like it. And I like Mellie (Miracle Laurie), who is most definitely not a size 0/2 :)
- Tudor Bosman
"The social networking site, which connects old friends and allows users to make new ones online, is being blamed for an increasing number of marital breakdowns. Divorce lawyers claim the explosion in the popularity of websites such as Facebook and Bebo is tempting to people to cheat on their partners. Suspicious spouses have also used the websites to find evidence of flirting and even affairs which have led to divorce. One law firm, which specialises in divorce, claimed almost one in five petitions they processed cited Facebook."
- April Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Bebo was the most popular social network in the UK.
- Gary Burd
Paul: it's a British newspaper; Bebo is popular in the UK. And I think FB is responsible for its share of new relationships, too, so maybe it evens out :)
- Tudor Bosman
from Android
Maybe they're misinterpreting the meaning of poke. :)
- Cristo
Phones are also responsible on people are separating... they use phones to talk as a jerk to each other and it's all phone's fault... damn you phone ! bloody phone !
- Ozgur Demir
And my ex-girlfriend used a pen and paper! Such evil communications implements! I blame pen and paper for the demise of our relationship!
- Adam Lasnik
I've gotten in the habit of generally exchanging (e)cards 'n' love rather than gifts. Much more affordable, and then we can all buy what we really want with our own money :D
- Adam Lasnik
Wow! Maybe you should let us disabled and unemployed know where that joint is? ;-)
- Spidra Webster
Heh! I think it's less the location, and more a spot of good luck + frightened expression + holiday cheer. (and $10 off a hotel breakfast still = crazy expensive!)
- Adam Lasnik
Ah. It sounds like I couldn't afford to eat there even with a discount. Then I just read you're in Sydney, so there's that... :)
- Spidra Webster
heh, Claudia! :) And Spidra, this is business travel, and while I'm generally pretty frugal on the company's budget (I only ate at the hotel this once), I'm typically much more frugal when traveling on my own dime (staying in a hostel or with friends, making sandwiches, etc. :)
- Adam Lasnik
Well, what I meant was that it wasn't the hot local tip I thought it was.
- Spidra Webster
yeah, I bet that had it been me making the face, I would've still had to pay the full bill :P
- Claudia Petrilli
What type of commentators do you have in mind?
- Louis Gray
Heh, Akiva! And Louis, actually a broad swath of commentators. Initially, I was frustrated specifically with tech bloggers, "ZOMG, I read on this other blog that maybe possibly [x] is going to totally do [y]. Then it's gonna kill [z]!!!" All this speculation on [x] (along with the must-be-like-crack desire to dictate a zero-sum game) is tiresome. Too many blogs/bloggers (which I hesitate to name) derive their traffic from scoops, often obtained in the context of amoral or illegal activities to boot.
- Adam Lasnik
Scoops come from who you know. But analysis... that's more powerful. That shows how you *think*, not just whether you know leakers and/or make wild-assed guesses. I like bloggers / journalists who study trends, who explain how things work or why things work, who help me understand what *is*, who help me get more out of what I have access to now. And I have a hell of a lot more respect...
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- Adam Lasnik
Unfortunately, I think due to a scary lessening of attention spans (sometimes mine included!), it seems that the quick-sell, the hot scoop gets a lot more eyeballs than the thoughtful analysis. Maybe too many of us are tired, not only too tired to write thoughtful stuff, but too tired to consume it.
- Adam Lasnik
That is true as well. Note the post above talks about how there is an obvious problem, but the cards are stacked against the problem getting solved, as the priorities and incentives are in the wrong place.
- Louis Gray
HOLY CRAP, Louis (and no, I don't normally use all caps), but indeed you comprehensively hit upon exactly the frustrations I've been feeling. It's gratifying that I'm not alone, and it's also embarrassing that I've been so busy lately that I've not done a better job seeking out the more good content and thoughtful writers. Thanks for clueing me into your post!
- Adam Lasnik
Now that it's clear so many of us agree on the problems, I wish we all had more specific, doable, and promising solutions <sigh>.
- Adam Lasnik
Happy to help, Adam. The post was fairly visible. At the very least, a few folks are thinking about it more. I'll keep doing what I'm doing, and you keep me in check. Any time you run across opportunities for me to be better educated through introductions to new folks and programs wouldn't help either. I know you're not housed in an isolation booth. :)
- Louis Gray
making previsions and getting them right makes the user feel good and boosts their self-esteem. Also it's like playing the lottery, where only if you play you "could" win. Some people speak randomly just to get it right sometimes.
- righini riprova
Naw, nobody goes there anymore, its always too crowded.
- Greg Grothaus
from Android
Ok, maybe I am not particularly bright today, but what do you mean by too crowded? Cause if nobody goes there anymore, it can't be crowded with people.... Or maybe it is one of those things from the English language that I still don't get? :P
- Claudia Petrilli
from iPhone
I moved to Michigan one month too early... and it hasn't even snowed here yet!
- Karl Rosaen
from Android
Just moved to Brisbane from Mountain View, and cleaning ice from the windshield this morning I though was it the right move? Now I see there is not too much difference half an hour south from here. At least we don't have snow outside. :)
- earlyadopter
@Jesse: I hear it's beautiful out there too. I love Boulder (my grandmother lives there), and the mountains of western CO, which I imagine has something in common with it. But I'd have to drag 8-ish family members out there with me :(
- Joel Webber
The great thing about Salt Lake City is all the ski resorts and mountain areas are all part of the city, or within 15 minutes from the city. Or, just 30 minutes East you have Park City, which is beautiful in and of itself. Cost of living in SLC is typically very low compared to Palo Alto or Boulder, too - very compatible for tech startups.
- Jesse Stay
Nice house. Hope you bring girls back there on the regular or you're wasting your mortgage payments. I'm just saying ... shit taking chicks back to a view like that would be guaranteed action if it were me. Look, I had to say it, OK? Stay warm
- LANjackal
Their website is ridiculously confusing. My payments (even trying different credit cards) are not being accepted and so I cannot make calls. Their pricing, particularly for data, is beyond insanely bad (many many many times what I pay in the States). And I cannot figure out how to talk with a human there to get this straightened out.
- Adam Lasnik
In fairness, when I did get through to a person, she was very nice and helpful. And she explained that the reason I couldn't make a payment online was that they don't accept $10 credit card payments. I guess this is what I should have inferred from the long error message, suggesting there was a problem with my credit card or I had reached a certain charge maximum or the moon and planets...
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- Adam Lasnik
It's so frustrating getting to play with cool online music services, only to realize, d'oh, my (many) friends not in America can't enjoy the same stuff due to the services being limited to the States... typically because of contractual complications.
On one hand, I wish there was some sort of useful small set of global IP rights organizations so services like Pandora and Lala and Mog could be enjoyed outside the U.S. at the same time they're available in the U.S. But then I cynically realize that such a rights organization would be so complicated and slow moving that we'd likely not see legal online music services *anywhere* in the world :(
- Adam Lasnik
government's economies are slow and complicated, while we already download illegal music, we all watch illegal movies on platforms that do not give the right shares to the copyright owners (like megavideo, etc...)
- righini riprova
...but it doesn't make me any less disappointed and sad re: lala (http://www.lala.com/). I am trying to remain optimistic, but I strongly dislike both itunes as well as Apple's penchant for not embracing open ecosystems. Not to mention that the earlier glimmer of hope re: an Android app for lala (which I would gladly pay a bunch for) seems unlikely to be realized now :-(.
- Adam Lasnik
What I find frustrating in a more philosophical sense is the uncertainty. Will Apple simply pull the plug on lala, or just rebrand it? Will they keep the 10-cent stream option, or kill it? This, I must admit, no doubt echoes the concerns of many people who grow to love services that Google buys. At minimum, there's the understandable frustration for non-Googlers that comes with no longer being able to sign up for a service, and so on.
- Adam Lasnik
I concur with you Adam. I have recently checked out lala, but if it's integrated into iTunes then I'm not interested either. I do not like that application, or that Apple doesn't embrace open ecosystems either.
- Ian May
Don't forget the original creators of those startups -- if they were passionate in making something awesome in the first place, they're going to be passionate to defend it from being crippled from integration into "BigCorp." That doesn't always work, but you can usually bet that they'll be sadder because a change like that than you as a user will be. See *cough* this site, for example :-).
- John μller
would be interesting to understand what's the real philosopy behind open-ecosystems (as you state them). should they be open even in a context full of closed systems? should google don't care about the acquisition and still develop the ap for lala knowing that it will benefit even the closed ecosystems? if the google-app for lala brings advantage for the developer and for the host, and if the host takes advantage in hosting also open applications, it's still a closed environment?
- righini riprova
If I didn't already have an eye-fi card, I'd take one look at that page and think, gah, maybe I'll figure this out later... and then never buy one.
- Adam Lasnik
I found eye-fi to be a frustrating experience. I simply wanted a local wi-fi connection to get photos and videos from my camera to my computer (no uploading or passing through anyone else's servers), but found that it didn't handle videos, and that I was forever tied to an external account, service, and web site to keep the tech I'd bought functioning. I ended up giving it away. What I wanted was feasible technically, but not offered.
- LogEx
I think eye-fi has developed since you last tried it. As I understand, it now uploads videos (albeit through the eye-fi servers, I believe), and you *can* choose to have the photos and videos from your camera just saved on your hard drive and not posted on any third party site like flickr or picasaweb.
- Adam Lasnik
The Eye-Fi hardware is great. The software really annoys me. It would've been great if it offered sync or acted as an ftp server. People would've been able to use it for all sorts of things (like picture frames that take SD cards). But instead of making simple software that was very flexible, they made complicated software that limited what you could do with it. I gave mine away and switched to a regular SD card.
- Amit Patel
Verve has just released “Twelve Nights in Hollywood,” a four-CD boxed set of Ella Fitzgerald singing 76 songs at the Crescendo, a small jazz club in Los Angeles, in 1961 and ’62 — and none of it has ever been released until now. These aren’t bootlegs; the CDs were mastered from the original tapes, which were produced by Norman Granz, Verve’s founder and Fitzgerald’s longtime manager.
- BeeLing
from Bookmarklet
"Your Guide To Music On The Web - Part #1 118 Comments by Orli Yakuel on August 22, 2009 I’m a Web fanatic, I admit. But you probably already knew that… My work environment has been completely web based for years now. The same applies to my music. Like many people, I used to download music from Kazaa or eMule (Yeah, I know some of you still do). Most of the time now, I listen to music on the web and don’t have any need to download it. My laptop benefits the most from this inclination since it’s not weighed down by music files, thus saving me tons of space and virus headaches (you eMule users know what I’m talking about). Anyhow, if I do choose to download music, I can always do it over at iTunes or my favorite place in the web: Jamendo. Music plays a large role in our lives. Since the web now plays an even bigger part, combining the two together has become unavoidable. The greatest thing about this powerful duo is that you don’t need to spend a lot of time searching for music you like...
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- Jeff@music09
from Bookmarklet
Eyes. They hurt. Crying out for paragraph breaks...
- Adam Lasnik
Yes, http://www.mog.com has (in some ways) a nicer interface. Yes, mog's search is faster. But price-wise http://www.napster.com is by far a better deal ($5/month for streaming *plus* 5 MP3s), Napster also has a (new) web version of their service. And Napster has had some social aspects in their service for years (ability to see your friends' playlists and play from their libraries, etc.). Is the main reason why people are going so nutso over mog the fact that it's a hipper, "web 2.0" interface?
- Adam Lasnik
Also, is there any way for mog subscribers to embed a song in their blog or link to a song...?
- Adam Lasnik
On the flip side, it's heartening to hear that people may actually be willing to pay for music subscriptions online. I was almost laughed off the internet when I defended subscriptions years ago, but times are a-changin' :-)
- Adam Lasnik
I like lala.com for discovering new music since you can play a track for free once. The interface is very nice too. I was a big fan of subscription music as well and tried almost all of them. I have a feeling streaming will eventually be free with ad support.
- Rodfather
I am a huge fan of lala myself, and wouldn't be surprised if lala came out with a subscription service, too. I think lala has a nice UI, the people behind it are nice, and I think the 10-cents-per-webplay is both fair and enticing. As I've noted elsewhere, if I could somehow snap my fingers and have Pandorlala -- Pandora's amazing music genome + lala's on-demand play options -- combined with an optional unlimited-play offer, that'd be stupendously awesome!
- Adam Lasnik
Pandoralala....I'd go for that too!
- Jaemi Kehoe
from IM
I'm less convinced than you are, though, about ad-free support. Apparently, even spotify has abandoned that idea in the U.S. because streaming rights are just too pricey compared to potential ad revenues. And also, let's be honest -- 1) Who wants audio ads?! (I have pretty much stopped listening to commercial radio in my car). 2) Who is really looking at visual ads? No, we queue up...
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- Adam Lasnik
heh, Jaemi, I should have reserved the domain name and made millions and... oh... um, nevermind :)
- Adam Lasnik