Does this mean the Cyanogen can now get Navigation, and Work Contacts and Work Calendar onto my G1?!
- Matthew DeVries
if HTC adds it to their developer release, then yes. It will most likely involve a wipe. Seeing as how no rooted roms can contain google parts due to licensing, I don't see any other way around it. We shall see.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
I'm running the new Navigation app on my G1. It's sooooo nice, and runs surprisingly well.
- Matthew DeVries
Once you install Cyanogen's "legal" ROM (which simply makes you also install an official HTC recovery image first that contains the legal licensed Google apps you paid for when you purchased your phone) you can update to the latest Cyanogen mod ROM through the CM Updater application that you find on the Android Market.
- Adrian
Oh... you can be sure CM with 2.0 will be out soon. Probably real soon... he's been very quiet. :D
- Adrian
Ads are only annoying because they are irrelevant and distract you from the real content of the page. Highly relevant ads are equivalent to other links on a page?
Yes, but the trick is defining what is "relevant." People working in ads for a living tend to think that any ad that shares a topic with other links on the page is "relevant," but that's not the kind of relevance that is required. Ads should be useful content that help you fulfill the purpose for which you came to the page. (And that purpose might be "to be distracted with something cool and shiny," depending on the page.)
- Daniel Dulitz
Agree, it is not an easy problem. But take for example Google - ads are promoted to the very top spot when Google's algorithms think they relevant and in most cases Google more or less gets it right. I think the same principle should apply for all types of ads/content.
- Bindu Reddy
Ads are annoying because they are rarely objective (even if they are somehow relevant to a need I have).
- LogEx
LogEx, most content on the web is "subjective" it is the subjective opinion of someone or some organization.
- Bindu Reddy
Yes, relevant ads add value to the page, whereas irrelevant ads are spammy. But how do branding ads fit into the picture? The great Ogilvy said the first time you see an ad it pisses you off, the 20th time you see it, you're writing a check for the product. And what about serendipitous ads? Things you didn't know existed, but once you find out about them, you become interested?...
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- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, I think "serendipitous ads" also need to be "relevant". As an example if you are following/reading a tech blog and see an ad for "hair extensions" you will no-doubt be annoyed. However say the tech blog posts one "sponsored ad" about a new technology, you might find it really useful...Most tech blogs and journals including the WSJ already do this...
- Bindu Reddy
Yes, I agree. As I was writing that, it occurred to me, even something serendipitous needs to be relevant to the content. No question.
- Stephen Pickering
Yep, I have found that increasing ad relevancy is better than trying to increase coverage. If users do relate to the ads in terms of content and context the CTR is higher. I think it also depends on where the ads are shown and how they are displayed. It would be interesting to know if there are numbers that justify this case.
- Ravinder Reddy
Yes, that is the case for Google AdWords and the philosophy behind it:)
- Bindu Reddy
I think talking about this with the broadest possible term, "Ad", actually makes the discussion too narrow.
- Micah Wittman
If a producer/vendor makes a value claim that's reasonably testable AND there's high relevancy, I'm potentially slightly interested. But that's the specific type of ad + scenario.
- Micah Wittman
Micah - Agree the value claim matters a lot. In fact, I would say it also matters who the value claim is coming from.
- Bindu Reddy
the standard of relevance applies to all content, and it is a challenge for publishers
- Mike Chelen
Mike, agree with you.. this should apply to all content. Sadly ads, esp the banner / display type have a bad name because they tend to be distracting on not-relevant. Even AdSense ads are pretty banal and don't really engage you
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, my example is small scale to be sure (last 4 weeks 8500 uniques), but I've run Adsense (multi-year test run) and projectwonderful (under a year) ads on my bebepool.com website, and the relevancy is terrible. I would approve by hand all ads in the case of projectwonderful, and it was still pitiful. I've recently pull both of those placements and am now testing out a tinyprints affiliate placement which I think has good likelihood of value to my site's user base (birth announcement cards). Jury is out.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, I know exactly what you mean. It is a good idea to pick out what exactly reasonates with your audience
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu: yup, although adsense is an improvement, it still fails the relevancy test more often than regular content. new tactics like social recommendation might be the only solution because nothing can gauge the relevance as well as other humans
- Mike Chelen
I find ads displayed when I am actively searching for stuff most relevant. I don't really like the social network ad approaches for two reasons: 1) I only care about ads if I am already receptive/predisposed to what they are liking. Else, I don't really care that someone on my network just bought some speakers. If I'm in the market for speakers, it's great, if I not looking to buy...
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- Ray Cromwell
Completely agree with you on 1. You don't want your social network to be filled with deals for speakers. Clearly that is not relevant. I there is an ad anywhere it needs to be relevant... As an example if you see an ad for a new cloud-computing technology from a hi-tech blogger you are following. I would argue that it is as relevant as the other content. On number 2, I would argue that...
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- Bindu Reddy
Ray: the criteria should be whether the friend thinks the topic is worth discussing
- Mike Chelen
If a person posting the ad actually uses and believes in it, I'm down with that. But the example I read in the NYT about personalized M&Ms is one that would likely annoy me. BTW - nice pic there in the NYT Bindu.
- Hutch Carpenter
I agree... I think the biggest issue with ads is that relevancy of some of these ads to the end user. As an example John Chow writes a blog about "making money online"... People who follow him probably ideally want to hear about "making money online" and not M&Ms
- Bindu Reddy
There's a certain segment of people who are passionate about the things they recommend and/or review, and affiliate payment is a nice bonus. But it seems there's many more people who love milking the system and they are quite ingenious at it, spamming, link-farming, scamming lead gens, I just think that the monetary could potentially distort what was previously 'friendly' behavior, or...
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- Ray Cromwell
Ray, I agree with you on that as well. Payment/monetary reasons have helped promote wrong kinds behavior. The trick than is to build a system to incent the right kind of behavior. The right kind being recommendations that will be useful to your audience.
- Bindu Reddy
Ray: banner ads also appear on spam sites, if companies like google do not block them
- Mike Chelen
The downside is that it required support from the conference organizers to set up.
- Ryan Moulton
Nailed it. We recently had an internal conference at Google, with many sessions going on at once. Almost immediately, and without real coordination, a number of people started "live waving" their notes. Even better, people would "pinch hit" these waves, so that when the first note taker went for coffee or to the restroom, someone was there to take over. It worked remarkably well.
- Joel Webber
@Ryan: I think the article was saying that the conference organizers *did* set up some waves. But this is definitely not a strict requirement. What we found was that while sometimes multiple note takers would start at the same time, they would get naturally coalesced fairly quickly once people started noticing the duplication. I suspect that in a larger group their *would* be multiple waves for a given session, probably one for each natural cluster in the social graph.
- Joel Webber
@Joel. That brings up another interesting question. How often is the social graph at a large conference a connected component. :) I guess at the least you could make your wave public and use twitter to advertise it to everyone else.
- Ryan Moulton
Very good points. re: connectedness and discovery... I think as Wave becomes more ubiquitous and people become more familiar and comfortable with it, there'll be a natural tendency to both search for and create public waves. Or, as was done at the Enterprise 2.0 conference, someone actually created a public master wave of sorts linking to the other waves about the conference. Didn't get mass adoption, but was useful and interesting nonetheless.
- Adam Lasnik
For most conference live-blogging, it would make sense just to add the Blog-bot to it, thus making it public, and let anyone write to it. But of course conference organizers do have lists of participants.
- j1m
I played it for a couple of months when it first came out. Then when everyone caught on to it, I quit playing. I have that app (along with all the others like it) completely blocked now.
- Jason Huebel
I've blocked all those apps in facebook, so I can have a readable stream with a low s/n ratio when I go in there. I'm not miserable, but I spend enough hours at a computer as it is, without trying to waste more time!
- Ian May
I played Farm Town for about two weeks. It was too much work for a "game," so I gave up. I never got into Farmville. My "friends" still send me all kinds of stuff from both games, though.
- Curtiss Grymala
I don't play games. Just don't like to. Every so often I post an announcement that I won't respond to your game invitation so don't take offense. People still hit me with "pillows" and "food" and whatnot. Have they MET me?
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I love Farmville....there I said it. If ya don't like it, tough squat. I also play Cafe World, Pet Society, Farm Town and Mafia Wars, even though Mafia Wars is bugging me lately. I know people get sick of the apps, but they are fun time wasters. :P I guess I like Farmville because I am bringing out my inner farmer, since I'm from the country originally. :P
- Molly, "sorry"
I don't play farmville, but I do play Enchanted island (nice passive rpg that doesn't really annoy your friends) and the Backstage games (did the artwork for a charity prize set in Scratch & Win). And Bejeweled Blitz kind of grabs me every once in awhile when I get really bored. Come to think of it, I don't really have an interest in facebook beyond those few games.
- April Russo (app103)
I don't play any games on facebook. I avoid most apps like the plague.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Me neither. I've got so many invitations to play it, it is not even funny :P
- Claudia Petrilli
I personally don't get the app craze on FB - I have a hard enough time just keeping up with people...tried at the beginning - lost interest.
- Robyn Hawk
Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging people who play the games. I used to play the trivia games on there, like the one about the TV show Arrested Development. I even played that infernal Lil' Greenpatch one cuz I found out they really do donate to environmental orgs. I just happened to see this abundance of notices about the game Farmville and it struck me as this huge craze. I'm glad I know how to hide those notices now.
- Laura Norvig
No Facebook games at all. In fact, I was somewhat appalled to find one of my AdGabber friends playing Mafia Wars. Although I suppose I shouldn't take it so hard - he's an agency type - not a geek.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
In Italy we use to say: "Two good arms hijacked from Agriculture" and that's a very good reason NOT to play Farmville!
- marcoscud
Farmville won't show me all the screen, not just on my TabletPC, but on my desktop (widescreen) w/ Firefox. People tell me I can, er, was it resize or pop the screen out, don't remember? However, that icon doesn't make it into what little of Farmville shows. I prefer Farm Town, anyway. I don't want to be bothered with fertilizing and watering and all that stuff. If I want to do all that, I'll switch to real life. I don't even play Farm Town anymore; I like Castle Age. I SMACKED THE CRAP OUTTA THAT HYDRA!
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I've never played it, or it's ilk, either. Same deal with the various "games" on Twitter like SpamMaster, erm SpyMaster...
- Tyson Key
/hangs up logic hat on rack and retires.
- Louis Gray
If all the tasty stuff of a cake comes from the sugar, why not use all sugar and no flour, eggs, or milk? ;-)
- Amit Patel
Amit the chemist, ladies and gentlemen.
- Josh Haley
Because then no one would be on FriendFeed :-P
- Jesse Stay
because part of great ideas come from having them, a larger part comes from carrying them out.
- Vincent van Wylick
And because public business are in it to make money predictably, not from sporadic ideas that could potentially turn the whole business-model around.
- Vincent van Wylick
Because the inspiration often comes from the perspiration of the 80% work. Most people are not able to be inspired 100% of the time, though there are a few at Google who are.
- Bill Strathearn
Now how many people thought I was 100% serious on this question instead of just 20%? I'm getting a lot of 100% answers.
- Louis Gray
Do all Google's major innovations come from 20% time? I guess we'd have to start by agreeing on what those major innovations were.
- Cristo
Is "innovation" the emergence of new competitors from that time? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Maybe Google should give all of their employees 100 1% projects. Then they'd really have a bunch of new ideas. One exception, though; one person gets stuck modifying Gmail to let you see your mail in an unthreaded date plus time received order.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Neither Twitter nor FriendFeed came out of Google 20% time, as far as I know.
- Cristo
The all sugar cake is not only sweet and tasty; a big tablespoonful of it swallowed quickly, at the right time, often cures hiccups.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
I'd bet there are plenty of people at Google who do work this way.
- Kevin Gamble
I share this sentiment. There are services that need to be maintained but if you look at the new goodies being developed, it's all about freedom and creativity. Ok that's it I had to add you Louis to my tiny input stream on Twitter. Listing and group following you here wasn't enough. This tweet sealed the deal!
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
But no one makes love like Neil Patrick Harris is dancing? FAIL!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
My brother in law in the Philippines can't be dissuaded from naming his son Elmo. I hope that unborn boy is ready to be tormented for the rest of his life. Why do parents do that to their kids?
- Bradley Farless
You know, in my heart I hope that people like NPH who seem just so damn awesome on the screen are just as cool in real life. Anyone met the fellow in person?
- Adam Lasnik
I'm sure he's a decent guy. Never met him, though.
- Josh Haley
But he sure can dance, just look at him go!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Love him when he's unicorn watching.
- Gabrielle V
Okay, I swear I am not just pimpin' good swing music, but I was looking at this GIF and listening to this song - http://lala.com/zPe9 ("Billie's Bounce" performed live by Buddy Rich) - and it matches! :o
- Adam Lasnik
Gross. I just unliked to be contrary. Yet another reason why I pulled back from FriendFeed. And why getting swallowed up by Facebook, the great leveler, couldn't make more sense.
- Rick Powell
That's right, all you horrible time-wasters you! Get back to talking about kernels and APIs! Have you no Protestant work-ethic? /sarcasm
- Neal Jansons
and not a moment too soon. I am in Toronto right now and forgot to bring my charger with me... cell is almost dead now... my friend also has a Nokia phone and we tried his charger but of course it doesn't fit.... aaarrrggghhh
- Claudia Petrilli
Have you seen iGo?.. they do something similar and have models for most devices including laptops (12 volt/110). When you upgrade or buy a new machine.. you just change the tip.
- Chris Myles
Changing the tip hardly seems as universal as using micro-usb.
- Amit Patel
Agree.. but it's available now and works with most of your existing gear (until you convert everything to micro-usb).
- Chris Myles
Are you just sharing the photo/thread or are you against the feature?
- Benjamin Golub
I'm just sharing the photo/thread. I think it's a fantastic feature. I also have to hope that the photo/thread itself is just a joke.
- Kevin Fox
I like it too. Did you see that you can tag by email address for those friends that aren't on Flickr. I gave it a test and they receive an email asking them to make an account.
- Benjamin Golub
I was a bit disconcerted to see the average price paid was <$3 :(. People easily fork over $10 for a 2 hour movie, and won't pay even $5 for a 10+ hour game? Kudos to the Goo creators for trying this experiment, and a pox on especially those bastards who paid a total of 1 penny.
- Adam Lasnik
Remember though that there's no marginal cost for each sale, so a person buying it for any amount above the miniscule bandwidth costs brings in more profit than a person not buying it. Most of the people who would have bought it for the regular price already have it. This just lets him collect money from the rest. It's a form of price discrimination, and seems to be a pretty effective one.
- Ryan Moulton
That is an interesting point. And I noticed, with some surprise, that the Goo folks viewed the effort as such a success, they ended up extending the promotion. I'm actually contemplating throwing some cash their way to buy some early xmas gifts for friends :)
- Adam Lasnik
Totally agree with you Kevin. I'm in *love* with my iPhone, but after using the latest BlackBerry and Android units, I can honestly say that the gap isn't as big as it once was.
- Ambar Pansari
The only thing the iphone has going for it that others dont is the fully stocked app store and 'keeping up with the joneses' momentum. Other phones beat it feature for feature otherwise, and while it's true that apple has been adding features to the iPhone, most of those features have been standard on other platforms for years.
- veo
Well-played, banks. From Phil Greenspun's post: 'What kind of bonds are they buying? Are they investing the money in American business? “No, they are mostly buying Treasuries.” So the money is just being shuffled from one Federal bank account to another, with each Wall Street bank skimming off $1 billion per month for itself? “Pretty much.”'
- Stephen Mack
I haven't had a huge / successful link attack on my small blog, but occasionally I get a splash of spam comments. Particularly when I'm traveling and have to struggle to get a reliable internet connection to sign in to kill the spam, I think once again about the balance of writing content and engaging with the community on my blog vs. playing cop against the spammers... and sometimes it...
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- Adam Lasnik
For someone with a personal blog, this is usually not a big deal - just require moderation and the amount of time needed to "allow" the good stuff is minor, but for sites trying to grow a large community, a whitelisting approach doesn't usually scale to the size of your problem.
- Greg Grothaus
Some of the more well known & popular Friendfeed users are a really strange bunch. I have listened to them dis twitter and praise ff, then turn in the other direction, then turn back, then turn again. Now they declare ff dead because we are tired of reading & commenting on their daily flipflopping.
Just like before the sale, if you aren't getting the comments, then maybe your stuff isn't worth commenting on. I have been getting more comments than I did before the sale. Some people might be needing to ask themselves what they are doing wrong, rather than declaring a service dead. With the number of eyes you have focused on you everywhere, statements like that can easily kill a service that wasn't dead before you said it.
- April Russo (app103)
to be fair Scobie said FF is dead not 'cause of the service's decline in traffic but 'cause of the stoppage of further development on FF. Technically FF is dead when the site no longer loads. Until then we are free to do whatever the hell we want; though maynot always be with the people we want to, as they would've moved on elsewhere.
- vijay
the advantage of the power users moving out is that the tons of eyeballs that earlier used to be fixed on their threads now spread out and the lesser known folks can see some activity on their feeds.
- vijay
April, I couldn't agree more with your statements. I too tire of hearing constant discussion about this platform or that platform, which one is better today and which one is alive or dead. I am here for discussion, but would like to have a much broader range of topics than constantly reading about Twitter vs Facebook vs Friendfeed.
- Jeff P. Henderson
April, the only people I hear saying FF is dead are the power users, uber geeks and first adopters like Robert Scoble. The rest of us go on with our normal non social networking centric lives, using the service that makes the most sense for our needs, which in my case is still FF.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I'm sticking with FriendFeed until after Dead Silence leaves. But then again, I'm not one of the well known and popular users. :)
- ha3rvey (free hugs!)
neither am i. presence of famous ppl has nothing to do with whether this place is alive or not.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
FF died? Don't tell P. He still loves FF. However, Robert is correct that the development of FF stopped. Still, I can't find anything as nice.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
from BuddyFeed
Since I am now officially part of the cult following will someone please pass me the Koolaid.
- Eric Logan
For the first adopters, once a service becomes developed and useful, to them it becomes pedestrian and they get board and move on to the next new service. For the rest of us, that is when the service truly becomes something we want to use on a daily basis. Some change and innovation is good, too much and it becomes annoying and makes a service hard to use if the interface keeps changing every week.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I have seen this before somewhere else. Only the last time i saw it, the users that stayed decided it wasn't dead, and that was the only reason why it lived. They refused to let it die. And quite a few years later it is not only still alive, its thriving. And guess what? They are still all using the original software, which hasn't changed in years. It isn't about the software, or...
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- April Russo (app103)
I wish someone would let us know what Facebook is going to do with FF. I personally strongly dislike facebook and the idea of FF being integrated somehow into facebook causes me to start to look for alternatives to FF.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Dead Silence: It does come in grape. It is officially called "Grape Yumptious Dip".
- April Russo (app103)
Yep, I'm still here...The people here are too compelling to go somewhere else.
- Alex Scoble
I'm hoping there will be a clear alternative to switch to before FF gets axed by Facebook. ... As far as I'm concerned the service is still alive as long as the software continues to function and there are still interesting people posting.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
The FF is or is not dead threads and the are the geeks still here threads must be what early adopter angst looks like... #notpretty#justsayin
- WarLord
Can you be popular and not well-known? In all seriousness, though, I'm just preparing for the inevitable case of when FriendFeed does die off. I mean, sure, Friendster's still around, too...
- Akiva Moskovitz
DS and Ha3rvey, uh, both of you seem pretty popular and well-known to me, at least within FF. Do you mean popular on a larger scale?
- Kamilah Gill
Kamilah, I guess I see myself as one of the B-list people here. There are people I have really connected with, but it seems really quiet at times. (Maybe C-list :)
- ha3rvey (free hugs!)
I thought you were on the silent 3 list, Harvey.
- Alex Scoble
I will take the grape could possibly make whine out of it. Worst case scenario. ;)
- Eric Logan