A room for all the life science types on FriendFeed (and everyone we've co-opted). Topics tend to focus on bioinformatics and computational biology, but discussion from any area in biological sciences is welcome.
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I'd say the greatest need for Open Science is actually good scientific practise... if we can show that reproducibility is a great scientific good, Open Science is the only logical solution...
- Egon Willighagen
I agree, but innovation does not alway = commercial success. IN biotech, the FDA is more a barrier to entry than the Patent system, IMHO.
- Jim Hardy
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It's an interesting study, and I'm a big fan of encouraging an intellectual commons, but it's very simplistic about the type of patents being discussed. Unsubstantiated hypothesis (that could run counter to this study): in a world without IP, there are more "ideas/inventions", but fewer R&D/capital-intensive ideas/inventions.
- Benjamin Tseng
"Via web application software, data citation standards, and statistical methods, the Dataverse Network project increases scholarly recognition and distributed control for authors, journals, archives, teachers, and others who produce or organize data; facilitates data access and analysis for researchers and students; and ensures long-term preservation whether or not the data are in the public domain."
- Bill Hooker
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More of a checksum though (just thinking lots of very nig data sets coming)? And wouldn't it be better to piggyback on a DOI at least (e.g., http://DOI_stem/your_extension)?
- Chris
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Regarding DOIs: any connection here to the STD-DOI project for archiving primary datasets and assigning DOIs to them to make them citable? Example dataset citation: Kamm,H; Machon, L; Donner, S (2004): Gas Chromatography (KTB Field Lab), GFZ Potsdam. doi:10.1594/GFZ/ICDP/KTB/ktb-geoch-gaschr-p (from http://www.std-doi.de)
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Absolutely I'm campaiging for it myself (not this specifically though I was very pleased to stumble on it) -- just gave this (http://tinyurl.com/nvyb57) talk at ISMB on Thursday (just the last couple of slides are the relevant ones). So I'm all for it and liked the mention of standards, just that DOIs are so close to being widely-enough used already that it seems a shame not to build on that.
- Chris
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Meeting peopl efrom the British Library on Monday to talk about this very kind of thing and amongst the (MI) standards people and at www.rin.ac.uk we've been talking about it quite a bit -- the principle more than the exact mechanism, which for easy-bridging reasons seems to make sense as a kind of vestigial journal as a vehicle...
- Chris
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@ Mummi, good lord that's rather interesting isn't it -- no relation to me at all no. The BL group I'm meeting also have a guy that's a big DOI advocate and his talk mentions some kind of euro registry? http://tinyurl.com/mkuhvq slides 6+ (DOIs) and 12+ (JRA)
- Chris
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@ Mummi again btw the timeline and a little mistake (multi-threading mayhem) made my post immediately after yours a little odd-sounding. As I later said I've nothing to do with the German project I was speaking in another context.
- Chris
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@Chris, sorry my bad, I was being unclear which didn't help! I meant to say earlier whether there was any relation between the Dataverse thing and the German (based/funded..?) international TIB project.
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
@Chris Thanks for the PDF, very helpful to know about this JRA initiative which I don't know yet if is an extension/expansion of the TIB thing, or modelled after it. Will read property around this in PDF + elsewhere ! BTW I'm tangentially interested in this topic, from the perspective of genome-wide association study datasets and ways to archive them and cite them.
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Okay. I'll try to give a bit more info about the JRA thing once I have it. Incidentally, on association studies (QTLs too?) I ought to mention one of the projects we have registered at MIBBI for reporting QTLs and association studies: http://mibbi.org/index...
- Chris
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Science seems a pretty catty place too. Just try and talk about tectonic plates before people are ready to hear it.
- Todd Hoff
I was unaware that science, collectively, had defined any "best practices". And what's reblogging? Plagiarism/copying, or discussion of other posts? Anyway, we don't apply stuff from science to blogs because, well, one is science and the other is blogs :-)
- Neil Saunders
Liking the comments rather than the letter, obviously :-) I guess they're entitled to their (ridiculous, wrong-headed, irrelevant) opinion.
- Neil Saunders
The only thing I can identify with is this act of discovering while browsing. There is no very good equivalent online for this (yet)
- Pedro Beltrao
The quality comment is what kills me. As if somehow cellulose and ink enhance the quality of the peer review...
- Wladimir Labeikovsky
All his points are killing me: You want to browse during breakfast? Has the guy ever heard of a "browser"? Been reading my news et al. during breakfast for the last 10 years. Laptops FTW! And yes, Wladimir: how does cellulose and ink make a journal any better, I wonder? I think we should get together and write a pointed reply to Nature!
- Björn Brembs
Wow, Bjorn, feel free to include my name on the letter, but I wonder if it's worth the bother. It's not like we'd even have any common ground to discuss.
- Mr. Gunn
@Mr. Gunn: Worth smorth. Consider the fun! :-)
- Björn Brembs
As for random browsing, wikis have it by default, and it's the outcome of many a search on a journal's site or on other parts of the web.
- Daniel Mietchen
Despite the fact that printed journals contribute only a small fraction of the total amount of paper I think it is a question of mind set and awareness. Why get hundreds of printed pages of a journal if you only skim through a small part of it and read only a tiny part at all? That's quite a waste of resources (paper, ink, energy for production and transportation). Yes, paper...
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- Konrad Förstner
After the fall of Genset in 2006, they started to put their whole library in the garbage. I've tried to save a part of the journals (see this picture http://www.flickr.com/photos... ). I sent some e-mails to the local libraries, to the centers of research, etc... Nobody asked for those journals and at the end, all those books ended into the bin.
- Pierre
@Pierre - Really a shame, maybe try next time bookcrossing.com or freecycle.org at least for the books. I had a similar experience when I wanted to donate some books in quite good shape to the local library. They didn't take them for whatever reason.
- Konrad Förstner
That's pretty good, Björn, but I wouldn't even concede the point about discovery. I think discovery through re-sharing of bookmarks (connotea/citeulike/Mendeley(soon)) and through article use stats (Mendeley, PLoS) works better than randomly paging through a magazine.
- Mr. Gunn
@Mr. Gunn, I don't know about that. We pick topics and people tend to be somewhat close to what interest us. I can't understand half of what is in a regular issue of Nature but I guess that if I ever browsed it in print I would spend more time on articles that I would never even look at the abstract. I am not even saying that one way is better than the other .. just that my online browsing habits are much more focused than would be if I had to check paper versions.
- Pedro Beltrao
Yeah, I'm definitely more focused online, but the serendipity of print limits you to that one article, whereas recommendation online can come from the whole body of work. Maybe we need a good way to browse recommendations?
- Mr. Gunn
Is there an analogy about paging through a set of recommendations from trusted people rather than through someone (the editors) with whom you have no direct connection?
- Cameron Neylon
I page through F1000 listings, FF bookmarks (citeUlike and connotea) from others, and my broad search terms. Would that count? My subjective impression is that this leads to a broader sample of the literature than if I were just browsing the hip journals. But it certainly also feels less leisurely and comfy :-)
- Björn Brembs
Great conversation. I am a strong believer that social bookmarking and networking tools can do a better job of nudging serendipity along than flipping through a paper journal. Use of these tools increases the chances of coming across relevant discoveries in adjacent fields. (shameless plug: http://2collab.com/ is designed with this goal in mind.) That said, my former position at Lulu.com left me a firm believer that print-on-demand is the way to go whenever print is prefered.
- Michael Habib
"the proportion of reading by U.S. science faculty from browsing decreased in recent years, replaced by other means of learning about articles that are read. While the proportion of readings decreased over the years, however, that number of readings found by browsing remains about the same: 88 readings in 1977 and 95 in 2005. Readings from searches increased from 17 to 78 readings between these two years." - Tab. 1 in http://www.dlib.org/dlib... .
- Daniel Mietchen
"the quality of these prestigious journals could gradually decline to the standard of many of today's web-only journals." What a flippiant remark, as above how does the medium of information transfer effect the quality of the content. What a dinausaur, lets start a charitiable fund to buy them an iphone - although will will have to advertise this via a telegram
- Frank
And indeed given some effort they might actually rise to the standard of several of today's web-only journals, one can at least hope...
- Cameron Neylon
Just got an email from them to be on the SAB for the Biology journal. Do they typically ask people without Ph.D.s (yet)? I like the concept but have concerns about legitimacy, etc...
- Shirley Wu
If it were me, it would boil down to who else is on the SAB, and could I see myself publishing there. If it's not something I'd normally want to be associated with, then I don't think the cool title is worth it. my two cents...
- Andrew Su
Shirley: erm... no, that doesn't sound typical. looking at the few members of the board who have joined up and are displayed on the site, they look to be all prof or assoc prof level (no names i recognise, but...), which seems pretty standard...
- Joe Dunckley
It actually looks pretty good to me -- OJS, LOCKSS, CC-BY and a founding concept (publish all data) that I agree with. It's a definite plus in my book if they don't care about formal degrees and just want to get the best people. I'd like to know more about the business model/support framework, esp since there's no mention of author-side charges. I've registered as a reader/potential author/available reviewer.
- Bill Hooker
If I could double-like this, I would.
- Chris Miller
Let us know what you find out, Shirley. I'm a grad student who wouldn't mind reviewing either, if it's kosher.
- Chris Miller
I replied with some questions, we'll see what they say
- Shirley Wu
Quoting Feynman: "If you've made up your mind to test a theory, or you want to explain some idea, you should always decide to publish it whichever way it comes out. If we only publish results of a certain kind, we can make the argument look good. We must publish BOTH kinds of results." [http://wwwcdf.pd.infn.it/~loreti...]
- Eric Jain
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. My main concern is that it is a lot of work to write a paper based on failed experiments and I don't know how many researchers would be willing to do that. I don't have a problem with sharing my failed results from within my lab notebook, which I have to maintain anyway. But if scientists do contribute I think it is fantastic.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Key questions are business model and what they are offering beyond what is already available. Also not confidence inspiring that two of the web pages provides for SAB members seem to lead to dead ends which don't have their name listed. Happy to give benefit of the doubt but presentation of these things is important.
- Cameron Neylon
@Jean-Claude: I see two kinds of papers ending up in these journals: 1, "this didn't work" papers reporting pretty much only failed expts; and 2, regular papers that simply include extra information on the stuff that failed, as well as the stuff that didn't. Even when the failed stuff is useful information, trad. journals usually tell you to leave it out. So this model seems to be a sort of compromise between ONS and normal science -- a "gateway drug" for ONS, perhaps?
- Bill Hooker
@Bill: A bit of an aside, I'm currently reviewing a paper for Neuropharmacology, a journal which is a tad out of my usual reading. Scanning the author instructions, I was struck by this line:Results. The results should be fully illustrated. Negative findings should also be noted to avoid unnecessary replication by others.
- NatBlair
Bill - I appreciate the motivation and the utility if they get submissions - I am just wondering if they can get enough people to put in the effort. It will be interesting information about the scientific community either way.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Haven't heard back from them yet. The morning after I sent my response with questions, however, I got a verbatim copy of their original email sent to me again by the same person. So I don't know what's going on but like Cameron said, not exactly confidence inspiring
- Shirley Wu
Does anyone have an opinion on the Journal of Negative Results?
- Mr. Gunn
I got a reply from the section editor that contacted me. They do want Ph.D. scientists, and he didn't know I was still a graduate student (not that hard to click on the "about me" page of my blog, especially if you mention that you've seen my blog and that's why you're contacting me...). Anyway, the other things he mentioned were that there are no author fees (in addition to no access fees), and everything is done in a volunteer fashion because the people involved want to improve science.
- Shirley Wu
I'd still be concerned about whether it's possible to sustain high quality without a business model but then again, that's what this open stuff is all about, right? So it would be great if it worked long enough to get something behind it to maintain it. Of course, J-C's concern is also a big one - who will write and submit papers to it?
- Shirley Wu
I'd be very worried - getting papers is a big enough problem - but to do it with no business model just isn't sustainable. The business model can be volunteer but then you've got to explicitly worry about how to support and retain your volunteers. But in general I think I'm coming to JC's point. No-one has the time to write full papers on material that isn't up to the grade for existing journals - I don't think they are going to start just because the journals are there. The barrier has to be much lower.
- Cameron Neylon
People who start writing their papers before doing the actual work and keep them in sync with the latest progress should be glad to be able to submit them somewhere (even if a few more days of effort are required to clean up the paper and answer reviewer questions etc)? This approach also seems more effective than spending weeks after the fact going through unreadable lab notebooks and...
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- Eric Jain
Which one of the two Eric? I think the latter is more common...but even with a good record the hassle of going through a peer review process is a big disincentive
- Cameron Neylon
Kind of journal of negative data. More likely to fail, or at least what people claim as "all results" will be the tip of iceberg.
- Dean Johns
"They do want Ph.D. scientists" -- that grates my cheese. Suppose you read Shirley's blog and think "smart person, want her on board my project" -- well, what has changed when you find out she's a grad student? This feeble reliance on a piece of paper is why universities are less and less focused on actual education, and more and more on certification -- a product, bought and sold. [/rant]
- Bill Hooker
I certainly agree with you, Bill, but I think there was some validity to what they said; they went on to ask me what my plans were after graduating, whether i was going to remain in the sciences. I would assume that they wouldn't be recruiting folks with Ph.D.s in mol bio that were now working as management consultants on wall street, for example. But they didn't exactly do a great job of vetting if they didn't know I was still a student.
- Shirley Wu
@Cam: I think this is basically another "journal of negative results", not so much about material that isn't up to scratch. Eric's comment about people who keep notes in sync with benchwork makes me think that journals that are willing to take negative results are likely to be a boon to anyone who keeps an open or semi-open notebook. (I disagree that peer review is a hassle or a disincentive. Sure, some reviewers are jerks, but overall the process is fun.)
- Bill Hooker
I've never looked at the journal of negative results. But it strikes me as quite weird to think about peer-reviewed negative results. I think it's sufficient to just publish your notebook and an informal summary ("we were hoping this would happen, but instead this happened and we don't feel like publishing it in a peer-reviewed journal. Hope these results are helpful!") It's tough to see what peer-review would add w/o asking the researchers to do extra experiments?
- Steve Koch
I'm also unclear on whether there is a definition of "negative result." Does the term originate from pharma stuff? I.e., drugs that didn't work? In other fields is "negative result" a synonym for "less-interesting result?" That's sort of what I was thinking and why peer review would seem weird.
- Steve Koch
Steve, I think there does need to be some degree or review, or they could end up with a bunch of "Bigfoot was not discovered in Alaska" kinds of submissions. Negative, in the sense of isn't something that will support a grant application, is how I imagine it to be used.
- Mr. Gunn
Mr. Gunn, yeah I agree with that. I was really saying I don't see the point of having a journal like that. It seems like a waste of peer-review resources. Self-publishing seems to make more sense to me...but I'm probably not thinking about the right examples of negative results.
- Steve Koch
What the journal adds over self-publishing is editing, review, and discovery. Pretty much the same as other journals. I see what you mean about a waste of resources, though. Some people consider Friendfeed to be a waste of resources, too, so there's that.
- Mr. Gunn
This is all fascinating. Mr. Gunn says, "What the journal adds over self-publishing is editing, review, and discovery. Pretty much the same as other journals..." But it is the same as other journals? This one would be specifically devoted to secondary findings—that would set it apart, wouldn’t it? If this journal were well run (which doesn’t seem to be the case, based on Shirley’s...
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- Hope Leman
Hope, my comments were directed towards Steve's question of what value publishing negative results in a journal would have over simply self-publishing them. Of course the journal would be set apart from others in terms of content.
- Mr. Gunn
I can't make much comment about how organized they are other than that they didn't know I wasn't a Ph.D. despite having been to my blog. Even if they do have a committed and organized core of people, the bigger concern is whether they can sustain a purely volunteer effort. If they can't, they need an actual business model, and the arguments here (and elsewhere: http://tinyurl.com/c2b3xm) are of the mind that a full-fledged journal of negative results isn't cost effective.
- Shirley Wu
Thank you for your patience, Mr. Gunn. Thank you for the link to Cameron's post on the topic. That is an outstanding, asute bit of analysis.
- Hope Leman
Another possible use for the open journal system model would be using it for well-done student publication -- another venue of practice before hitting the bigger journals -- individual schools/labs could put OJS to use, students learn not simply to write for publication but also how to act as reviewers -- provides a neat continuing reinforcement of how to read science (stats, design, etc) -- basically a more finished open notebook product -- also useful for initiating new people into the lab
- Mickey Schafer
Hey all -- I got an email invite from All Results Journal:Physics today for the scientific advisory board. I reread my comments above and still agree with my own skepticism. On the other hand, wouldn't mind supporting it to see if it can fly. Did any of you end up getting invovled? Jean-Claude, I see your name on the SAB for ARJ:Chem ... any opinions?
- Steve Koch
(As an aside: is this thread sufficiently public that the majority of reasonable people wouldn't mind if I linked it to the editor who sent me the invite? I think definitely yes, but given the hoopla that ensued several weeks ago, figured I'd ask first.)
- Steve Koch
I'm still skeptical - I don't see evidence of awareness of the magnitude of the job they're taking on. But then anything that starts from the assumption "publication should basically be free" sets my alarm bells ringing. Happy to see this made public but then I would be I guess :-)
- Cameron Neylon
It'd be good if it did take a role as a dumpster for drug research -- stuff failing at any stage might be usefull from discovery on.
- Chris
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Pity is that it's not what I thought at first, which is a journal that publishes just data sets with structured annotation (rather than a full paper being needed, shortcutting the idea of the paper-writing robot) to really get people to clear out their lockers. Just a tab-format form answering the kinds of questions listed in projects linked to by MBBI (ref....
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- Chris
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Call it ' Kudos Convertors -- "Free you data. Boost your citations*." ' [* Subject to funders counting it]. How about some kind of data copyright statement while we're at it, to assist with enforcement.
- Chris
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Yeah, I agree, Chris. It'd be much better w/o need for formal paper and "rigorous peer review" as they state now. Editorial or peer review should just make sure that necessary info has been included. Wonder if SAB members can change any of these decisions before they go "live?"
- Steve Koch
Or they're looking for more specific sub-topics. Hopefully
- Andrew Clegg
How is India overwhelming in the results by country and Korean first in language?
- novoseek
the country information I've always found to be so unexpected that I don't quite trust it.
- Mr. Gunn
Google results: "chemist" ca. 10 mln, "biologist" ca. 5 mln, "cheminformatician" ca. 2000, "bioinformatician" ca. 100000. Why do biologist insist on comparmentalization?
- Pawel Szczesny
Pawel, I think chemists just hate computers...
- Egon Willighagen
Oh, and you should also include the European variant 'chemoinformatics' in this equation...
- Egon Willighagen
"chemoinformatician" - ca. 350 :) It looks like chemists _really_ hate computers.
- Pawel Szczesny
#FEBS09 To anyone interested in the 34th Congress of FEBS, there is now a FriendFeed room to collect microblogging information related to it: http://friendfeed.com/febs-20... . For anyone else, FEBS is the Federation of the Societies of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, http://www.febs.org/ .
""To a student it could appear that this is a field to be in forever," Schlaeger says, "but you could be behind the curve if you're thinking of what's great now." Stem-cell researchers will need to be as flexible as the cells they study. Asked what expertise Pfizer will be seeking for positions in its new regenerative medicine unit, Ruth McKernan, the unit's chief scientific officer, says she wants candidates whose scientific curiosity extends beyond the narrow area of their training. Intellectual agility will be more important than any particular technique, she says. "We don't know what we'll have them doing a year from hire.""
- Attila Csordas
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I want to programmatically find proteins with known structures similar to my protein, then get a specific equivalent residue from the homologs and do things with it. Anyone got a good suggestion for how to do this in Python?
So far I've been playing with the PDB's web services, where I can basically run a blastp and get results back in html/xml. But I still need to parse each matching pair to find my residue of interest in the query sequence (based on the PDB residue number, which I need to map to the sequence), find its matching residue, figure out that residue number somehow, get the PDB file, do stuff with it, etc. Seems like there should be an easier way.
- Donnie Berkholz
I'm just written a whole tool chain to do something like that. You'll need to use blast to find the similar sequences, then parse for those with pdb sequences. then you need to grab the relevant pdb sequences and align them with something like mustang (which does simultaneous sequence/structural alignment), then look up the multiple sequence alignment generated by mustang and map that back to the new pdb.
- Bosco Ho
that sounds useful. I guess you need to have some limits on what structures to consider plausible structural templates
- Pedro Beltrao
download the pdb sequences in fasta format. build an hmm from your sequence, then use it to score the pdb to find homologs to your sequence. take the hits more significant than some hmm e-value cutoff, and align them to the hmm. then you will have the specific equivalent residue from the homologs as a column in the alignment.
- Ruchira S. Datta
you may find several pdb structures for the same sequence. in that case you may want to choose based on the resolution of the structure and whether there are any breaks in the pdb structure for your chain of interest (i.e., whether there are ATOM records for every residue in the sequence).
- Ruchira S. Datta
I'm playing with BioPython now to see if it can do what I want without too much hacking around. It seems like it's got support for BLAST, for alignment, and for structural stuff, but the integration of common object types between them is really lacking.
- Donnie Berkholz
"Seems like there should be an easier way" - no :-) This is a classic bioinformatics task: scripting a pipeline to process disparate types of data from various sources. As you say, biopython (and any other Bio* project) contains the modules that you need. Your task is to tie them together in a pleasing way. Sounds like you're well on the way, just try to enjoy the learning experience!
- Neil Saunders
When you say "similar to my protein" I assume you mean "of similar sequence to my protein", and not "of similar structure" (and are happy to infer that proteins with similar sequences will probably have a similar structure). Assuming you are using sequence similarity not structural similarity, I like a hybrid of Bosco and Ruchiras strategy: 1. BLAST/PSI-BLAST against nr (or even better...
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- Andrew Perry
Although you may not really need to roll your own end-to-end solution - for instance, searching the sequence against PFAM (via the RESTful web API http://pfam.sanger.ac.uk/help , or locally with hmmsearch) should in theory allow you to find PFAM models similar to your sequence, and similar proteins in the PDB (although I can't see how to get those PDB accessions using the web API .. you...
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- Andrew Perry
I'am +1 for the mustang approach and I think you need to carefully think what "equivalent" residue really means for you.
- marcin
Agree marcin, one of the trickiest problems is mapping the sequence of PDB chains to the chain record in the PDB file (which may have breaks and so on). If you're only interested in one (or a few) proteins, it may be quicker to find a website which does this task. Can't name one off the top of my head (try Google), but I've used sites that take a PDB ID/file as input, find structural/sequence orthologs, display alignments, key residues and so on.
- Neil Saunders
I was thinking more like: HisX, HisY and HisZ form a Zn binding site in proteinW in some ortholog all three are conserved in a sequence alignment (e.g. sequence to PFAM profile), but the binding site is formed by HisX, HisY and HisA. So sites A and Z have 'equivalent' function but have no common ancestor.
- marcin
Right; that's another problem, between orthologs. Guess it will depend on the protein in question and degree of conservation.
- Neil Saunders
Thanks all for the help and suggestions. This is the first time I've used web services, so it's been a bit of a learning adventure. I think I'll be able to come up with a reasonable solution using a combination of a couple of web services and BioPython.
- Donnie Berkholz
Does anyone have an idea about the best way to cluster a bunch of sequences based on pairwise global similarities? Any tools that can do that or suggestions?
I guess you need to pick a similarity/distance measure that makes sense for what you are interested in and then pick an appropriate clustering algorithm. These both will depend on what you want to do in the end with the clusters.
- Pedro Beltrao
+1 CD-HIT, you can also try BLASTclust.
- Khader Shameer
Thanks people! i think what i need are pairwise identities derived from comparing the whole sequence (globally) against each other and not parts of it(local). I think BLASTclust incorporates local alignments so might not be ideal. Seems like CD-hit is good start.
- george
You could try multiple sequence alignment, phylogenetic tree estimation, then cut the tree for the number of clusters you want.
- Michael Barton
I have written a program called FLOCK: Full Length Overlap Clustering of Kindred, to flocculate sequences into global homology clusters. So naturally I think that's the best way ;-) . I haven't gotten around to releasing it yet though (mainly I need to port it to use HMMER instead of SAM). So far we are using it within our group and for our collaborators.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Michael, most multiple sequence alignment methods are not robust to the sequences not being alignable. They will align them anyway, incorrectly.
- Ruchira S. Datta
@Ruchira please is it possible to share FLOCK? and some documentation? It sounds like something i would want to use as well for the current clustering work. thanks
- george
I'm sure there are, but I don't know to what degree the Pro affects specificity. Phosphatase binding to substrate seems to be rather different to kinase binding. This looks like a nice review: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed....
- Neil Saunders
(7/22) John Wilbanks on 'Scientific findings in a digital world: What is the genuine article?' - TalkScience@the British Library: http://www.bl.uk/onlineg...
A discussion with John Wilbanks addressing: " * In an age of digital content and communication, does the notion of the scientific ‘article’ remain relevant? Is the 300-year old approach to structuring findings – from abstract to references – still valid in the era of the multi-media research object? * How should new types of content such as video protocols and embedded datasets be peer-reviewed, and does it matter? * Will opening access to the outputs of scientific research really improve innovation? * Does more access to research data and information necessarily mean we are better informed? * When it comes to communicating research findings, what are the fundamental building blocks and what is the wallpaper?"
- Hilary
Friendfeed: Life Scientists’ Biggest Little Secret: I wrote this post to help encourage life scientists to participate more on friendfeed. Thanks to everyone here for your help and if you have comments or suggestions please leave them here or on the post (if a good discussion results here I'll link back) http://sdbn.org/2009...
"We polled the attendees before the event and found that they knew almost nothing about it, and had little interest in learning about it. We set up a friendfeed room for the group and frankly have not had much adoption." No point evangelising to the closed-minded, is there?
- Neil Saunders
Maybe they want to get to the point quickly - and want to know why it'll help them? Bish bash bosh - some clear simple examples, and quick points. Or why not use the power of FF, and stop just saying "once you use it, you'll see how useful it is" and show a video of a FF room that shows links, discussion that has happened as an example that's useful to them? FF might be seen as having to be good enough to displace forum/ mailing lists - if you can't show it as better or complementary => a lower uptake.
- Tom Tubbs
The idea of FriendFeed itself is not the sell, it's the trusted networks of colleagues/experts that form *on it* that convince people to join. Once there is perceived valuable information specific to an individual they are often on in a flash...until then, it's a very hard sell...
- Dawn
You have to sell to needs - for many bench scientists absorbed in their beakers and stuff, I can see why they would see little need - it's just another time suck to them. Unless you match their needs with solutions, adoption will be slow.
- Sally Church
Thanks for the input! I believe it's a chicken and egg thing. The value comes from a highly personalized community that one can build here, but how can I speak to each individual researcher's interests and tell them who they should be connecting with? I recently told Lee Buckler, who's trying to grasp the relevance of FF, to start his own group--that's the real way to see the value. I'm hoping they'll come here and a discussion will spark their interest.
- Mary Canady
Scientists *do* see the value of such communication networks. I know many, many labs that routinely use wikis and blog networks to supplement (or at times replace) meatspace lab meeting. Except they are completely closed and password protected. The main issue is the concern regarding openness. I think it is a bit naïve to believe that most scientists, particularly the younger generations, don't understand the power or potential of these sorts of interactive media.
- Noah Gray
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I think Noah's got a point. It's to some degree a generational thing. Online sharing and collaboration just makes sense to people who've grown up with the internet, and just kinda looks like a waste of time to people who are older and already established in the types of communication networks that were prevalent when they were coming up.
- Mr. Gunn
From PLoS ONE; article concludes that "Medical research news should be clearly referenced and state the evidence level and limitations to inform the public of the maturity and quality of the source." Many (including myself) have been calling for this kind of disclosure for years...Astonishing that even after 3 yrs, almost 1/4 of the front page stories never passed muster in peer-review!!!!!!!!!
- Noah Gray
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Not surprising at all. A lot of the stories I've seen in MSM are "exclusive" access pieces. I guess that's the drawback of trying to get a story no one else has.
- Brian Krueger - LabSpaces
I think it's inaccurate to say that knowledge is "gone". More like, it's being misplaced. He's complaining about the implementation of the search interface. That can be improved; as he well knows, these systems are works in progress. With improved search tools, developed by the companies themselves or possibly by third parties, all that knowledge will be retrievable again. I'm quite...
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- Ruchira S. Datta
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- Mike Chelen
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Not sure if this is good (will drive semantic web tech) or bad (who will get to use that tech?)...
- Bill Hooker
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BBN -- old skool. They pretty much invented the internet. But I don't remember them being major players in the comp. linguistics game...
- Andrew Clegg
Even top federal cancer officials say the system needs to be changed. “We have a system that works over all pretty well, and is very good at ruling out bad things — we don’t fund bad research,” said Dr. Raynard S. Kington, acting director of the National Institutes of Health, which includes the cancer institute. “But given that, we also recognize that the system probably provides disincentives to funding really transformative research.” The private American Cancer Society follows a similarly cautious path. Last year, it awarded $124 million in new research grants, ... Dr. Otis W. Brawley, chief medical officer at the cancer society, said the whole cancer research effort remained too cautious. “The problem in science is that the way you get ahead is by staying within narrow parameters and doing what other people are doing,” Dr. Brawley said. “No one wants to fund wild new ideas.”
- Maureen
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