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Steve Koch
Signing up to be notified about google wave. Wish I could try it out! My intuition is that it indeed will help us revolutionize the way science is carried out, particularly open science and science 2.0 "tings"
I added this comment when I signed up: - Steve Koch
Great work! So glad to see the "federated" aspect (or whatever you're calling it). I want you all to know that you have dozens or hundreds of scientists who are pushing for "open science" or "science 2.0" who are itching to help leverage google wave for the open sharing of scientific data, results, etc. Here's one friendfeed link as an example: http://friendfeed.com/cameron... Also, I'll post this message on friendfeed, maybe you'll find a discussion there: http://friendfeed.com/the-lif... Is there any way you can give us a "Science 2.0" sandbox to play around with? Thanks again, Steve Koch - Steve Koch
Here is a diagram of my very primitive initial thoughts on how to use Google Wave for data "provenance" : http://www.openwetware.org/images... - Steve Koch
Tried to make it a Zoho show, but couldn't figure out how to let "everyone" edit it, sorry: http://show.zoho.com/public... - Steve Koch
Here is where you can sign up to be notified about "Google Wave Federation Protocol" http://www.waveprotocol.org/get-inv... - Steve Koch
It looks impressive, but needs to have proper LaTeX/MathML support if it is going to revolutionize physics/math 2.0. I'm betting that it won't and that the API architecture won't be sophisticated enough for a non-Googler to write it. Math users are always second class citizens in the Web world. - Matt Leifer
@steve: Copied and pasted your comment and edited it somewhat when I signed up! - Björn Brembs
Matt I don't know to what extent you will be able to get hooks into the underlying language engines but the waves themselves are just xml documents. Latex viewers and such should be pretty trivial to adapt as long as google have got their architecture right - Cameron Neylon from twhirl
From what I saw, I think Cameron's right that latex should be trivial (though I don't understand xml). Plus, <math> works very well in MediaWiki, and I don't think they'd ignore that. - Steve Koch
@Neil -- yeah I got swept up in the wave a bit too and skepticism is good. I never would have even spent the time to watch the video if not for Cameron's and Dave Bacon's blogs. In addition to developers, it's going to require people adopting the technology, otherwise we won't be able to wave with anyone, right? How long is that going to take? Probably quite a while. - Steve Koch
@Björn, great! - Steve Koch
Your comments have been noted, Steve :) :) - Rob Schonberger
I cribbed from Bjoern for my comment: "as a research scientist (biomed), I am interested in using GWave as an electronic notebook, social hub for collaborative work and potentially as a means to create an entirely new set of metrics for the measurement and management of science. A GWave account could function as an authorID, and every contribution could be logged and timestamped -- all the things that are essential but garner no credit in the current system (peer reviewing, software development, database construction...). Actual contributions to projects would be easy to identify -- no more "guest authorships". Complete datasets could be shared with a single link -- no more "data not shown". The potential for a new way to do research is immense." - Bill Hooker
Rob, That is great! Hopefully the comments from the other, more eloquent scientists are noted too :) Thanks so much for responding and REALLY looking forward to when we can start trying out GWave! - Steve Koch
If this works as advertised, then I'm going to short < http://www.backpackit.com/ >. - Richard C Yeh
I went for the teaching aspect, of course, and commented that just the IM-conversation function permits various kinds of e-learning, from e-office hours to e-review sessions. If conversations are searchable, then FAQs can be pulled out and built into a course or as their own resource. - Mickey Schafer
I'd actually forgotten to put in a request for an account - better do that as well :-) - Cameron Neylon
Beyond me but if you can't wait, Scott Wilson shows how to do something wave-like for eLearning apps http://zope.cetis.ac.uk/members... - Peter Miller
Does there exist an article along the lines of 'How Google Wave Could Revolutionize Science,' or whatever verb would be appropriate? (or would one of you 'real' ;) scientists consider writing one?) p.s. I just found this http://wwmm.ch.cam.ac.uk/blogs... - Mary Canady
Mary - Once I've got slightly less over excited I will probably try and write something along these lines. My existing post is a little over the top :-) http://blog.openwetware.org/science... But I've really got to get this paper out the door first. - Cameron Neylon
What about giving collaborative blog writing a try on this one? Would certainly be in the spirit of the topic and may help to keep the tone balanced. I have a blog post brewing in the back of my mind but it's still too hot to be served but I had intended to draft it on Etherpad anyway (to test this platform), and so I just put my keywords up there at http://etherpad.com/XPPme49avV ). This post is designed for the Euroscientist and will have two parts based on previous blog posts but the whole thing will certainly be heavily flavoured by the Wave protocol (which I still haven't read in detail). If you want to join me in writing, just click the link and start typing - no login required. Of course, as usual, a friend in feed is a co-author indeed. I plan to add a link to this blog post when I sign up for Google Wave. - Daniel Mietchen
that's a great idea - still don't think I have time to contribute this week though - maybe next? - Cameron Neylon
No need to finish this one off this week - I plan to submit it by June 15. - Daniel Mietchen
I signed up too. Can't wait for it...... - Roberto Bonini
There are currently two FF groups concerned with Google Wave: http://friendfeed.com/google-... and http://friendfeed.com/google-... . - Daniel Mietchen
@Daniel thanks - I am interested in seeing how this plays in eduction, the two groups are cool. - Dan owns Comicsforge.com