Greg looks a little like he's working some bitchlips rather than a prelude to a kiss ...
- Laura Norvig
I'm going to use this one for my presentation it's too good to pass up on :)
- Sir Shuping
rofl! I can't recall who took this shot! I just gave 'emmy camera and said, "Watch this! (and take a bunch of pics)." Good times for sure. :)
- Michael Porter
Honestly - as far as I knew, it was just me and MP. Then Greg called my name, I turned - and I didn't know that Jessamyn was in the photo until I saw it on Flickr. Not that I have ever seen this photo or have any knowledge of its existence...D.E.N.I.A.L
- Kathryn says love n peace
we're photographing skeletons at the moment... rather than going 3D, we're doing 2D in various views -- but with *scale* in the image so that one can do measurements.
- D0r0th34
okay okay. we are planning on doing that full-fledge. at the moment we just but them up in second life. but more soon.
- jambina
Dear Birthers, Deathers, people who believe Obama is a "muslim", "Fascist Socialist", a racist or the "Antichrist", people who believe healthcare is "reparations" and people who believe Obama's goal is to "destroy America", etc... Be glad we think you're racist, the alternative is to lock you up and pump psych meds into you forever.
We need to start a campaign to get Kenny his own cable news show. Of course, we'll have to take 'dork of FF' out of his title so people can take him seriously.
- Derrick
having trouble adding youtube box to my library's page, getting this message "developer of this application does not currently allow it to be added" any ideas? thanks
- John Taube
asking the question cleared up the glitch
- John Taube
I'm picturing a bunch of Blybergs singing like oompa loompas
- Glen Horton
If the Blyberg is like the unit of public library director innovativeness, then the average public library is probably measured in centiBlybergs. :(
- DJF
“Watching the e-science folks on FF as well as BIGWIG and the LSW, I become more and more convinced that social networks are the new smoke-filled back rooms where the world is changed out from under everyone. On the whole, I think I am happy about it.” - http://friendfeed.com/e...
This is from Dorothea Salo's private FF, so you may not be able to click through. But I thought that the LSW room might have some more to say about this.
- s t e v e
Here's what I said in the comments there: "I have been thinking along the same (several) lines. It would be a mistake to exaggerate the influence of (say) the LSW, but it's true that we have some kind of center of gravity around librarians on social networks. I'm also fascinated as to how a completely open space can also feel like a smoke-filled room. Because I know it can/does to some people."
- s t e v e
I find the comments about "groupthink" & "cliques" to be interesting. KGS made a similar crack on her blog recently about Wikipedia being like high school, where the most popular rule. All I can think is: what did you imagine self-organizing groups would act like?
- josh neff, geek at large
I made one of those comments, so may as well respond :). I'm not surprised as much as saying that it's something to think about. First, I talked to a couple people at CIL for instance who were feeling left out of lobbycon and saying it felt very cliquish & they felt they were missing out -- I told them hey, just come sit down -- but it's intimidating from the outside.
- Rachel Singer Gordon
And secondly, I think that hanging out here or on twitter or wherever tends to add to the sense of surprise and dismay when others "don't get it" or when things seem so obvious and easy to implement. In greater libraryland, not so much
- Rachel Singer Gordon
from pollyanna here in vt. maybe we can figure out how to keep the back room from getting smoke-filled
- smkvt
And hey, I hang out here because I like self-selected groups as much as anyone
- Rachel Singer Gordon
Yeah, those are valid concerns, Rachel. I'm just not sure what to do when people complain of feeling excluded from a non-hierachical, self-selecting group (besides, as you said, encourage people to just join in). Saying, "Just get involved in ALA if you want to change it" doesn't work for me, because I can't afford to get involved. I literally don't have the money it requires. Saying, "Get involved in the LSW" is much more meaningful, I think.
- josh neff, geek at large
And of course there will be cliques. I mean, I like to hang out with likeminded people. I don't like hanging out with people who don't get me & who I don't get. So, yes, birds of a feather will flock together. I see that as a natural, not at all bad thing.
- josh neff, geek at large
Oh yeah, "just get involved in ALA if you want to change it" is a nonstarter for most people. But OK -- think for instance of the panel on LSW I saw at (what was it, last fall at IL? or last CIL? they blur). The session was awesome fun for anyone who had been in there or had any idea what panelists were talking about. For people who just came in to see what's what, totally confusing
- Rachel Singer Gordon
Rachel: If I had been at CiL and not known any of the people involved, lobbycon would have scared the hell out of me. Even knowing (virtually) a lot of the people there, such a large group would make me uncomfortable. I don't know what to do about strategies for making that more accessible beyond making sure that the people who are engaged take the time to look beyond the group to encourage people on the fringes to come in.
- DJF
from twhirl
(I'm working on no sleep and a bad head cold so trouble being coherent here) -- but trying to say: LSW or FF or wherever: cool. Self-selecting groups: have their place. But I think we should just be aware of the self-reinforcing nature of these places because it's easy to get caught up in and forget. Sall.
- Rachel Singer Gordon
Was that our presentation on the LSW? Because I could see that being confusing to people who weren't already in on it. Of course, part of that is because there were 3 of us & we had half a session to present, because ITI merged our presentation with another group's.
- josh neff, geek at large
As for the LSW, as far as I'm concerned, the point of it isn't "hey, everyone, come join our group!" For me, the point is, "Hey, look how easy it was for us to form our own group! If you want to join in, cool! Or, you could just as easily form your own group!"
- josh neff, geek at large
Sorry, edited, yeah the LSW presentation. (And ITI's panel sessions are a whole other topic!)
- Rachel Singer Gordon
Which may be a commentary on how established groups react to small splinter groups and small competitors, Josh.
- D0r0th34
I love to see us all having conversation, because it is the same conversation I have been having in my head the last month or two. I think I have had a little Rachel and Josh on each shoulder whispering "groups are inherently cliquish and off-putting" and "there's no way around that so just embrace it! And it's better than the alternative."
- s t e v e
So, being a highly misanthropic introvert, I'm a clique of one?
- DJF
from twhirl
DJF, I'm having that same conversation with myself as I write that blog post. *g*
- D0r0th34
I'm fascinated by all this as well, in part because I have been on the outside of a lot of cool self-selecting groups in the past, and due to some combination of shyness on my part and cliquishness on their part, I couldn't get in. Now I am in one of those groups, and I don't quite know how it happened, and that's somewhat worrisome.
- laura x
laura x: that's ok. I have no idea how I ended up hanging out with the cool kids at access and OLA either. I think it just takes an "in": a connection to one person that leads you into the mass.
- DJF
from twhirl
Pulling the on-this-thread's-topic part of Joe's comment from D0r0th34's feed: "The leadership of ALA does seem pretty clubbish, and 95% of the ALA/ACRL members are not part of that restrictive club." To which I suggest that *any* established group with some intra-group history is clique-ish with it's own in-jokes and nonsensical organizational zeitgeist... and I will now resist making any in jokes to appear more open and welcoming... :)
- awd
Maybe a feature we should suggest to FF is the option to open a post on a private feed...
- D0r0th34
Laura: I've always felt like I was excluded from the cool kids, too. What I do now is form my own groups & pretend I'm cool. And associate with other people, like you, DJF, Lawson, Dorothea, Rachel, etc who I think are cool. *You* may not think you're cool, but *I* do.
- josh neff, geek at large
I think I might argue that job one for professional development is to find a group/committee/division/club/clique that is appropriate to your job/career/interests and *make yourself an insider*. Different groups will have different requirements and be more or less exclusive, but no one is going to recruit you. I am sympathetic to the shy, and censorious of the snooty, but really--find a good group and be an asset to that group.
- s t e v e
"What I do now is form my own groups & pretend I'm cool." That's part of being a grown-up, I think.
- s t e v e
Now concerning Sisyphus's (Aaron's) comment to my comment on Dorothea's Feed... Aaron, I think you are very open and welcoming. I could always work on my small-talk welcoming skills at conferences and social networking sites.
- Joe
Josh, the fact that you think I'm cool just tells us all exactly how geeky you are.
- DJF
from twhirl
I do not deny being geeky. There would be little point. Luckily, I think it's cool to be geeky.
- josh neff, geek at large
But the point isn't whether we're cool or not in some grand sense--it's that we *seem* cool and hence intimidating unwelcoming to some people--and that bothers me. I'm about to start busting out the golden rule and so forth, so I'll shut up now.
- laura x
Well, there are other ways to make an impact besides joining groups. I am reluctantly coming to the conclusion that I am something of a lone wolf. It's not that I *can't* join a group or do well in one; I can, and I've proven that. It's that the friction and overhead involved *for me* in doing Group Stuff causes enough frustration for me that I make more impact doing a lone-wolf thing like a presentation or an article.
- D0r0th34
"But the point isn't whether we're cool or not in some grand sense--it's that we *seem* cool and hence intimidating unwelcoming to some people--and that bothers me" I hear that, but I'm not sure if that's "the point." The point might be, what can we *do* about seeming unwelcoming?
- s t e v e
Well, again, Laura, we can't be welcoming to *everyone*. Like Steve said, I'm sympathetic to the shy (totally been there!) & scornful of the snotty, but at the end of the day, if I ever felt too shy to join a group, that was no one's problem but mine. I don't know how to be any less imposing than I already am, so if people are too scared to talk to me, I can't help them.
- josh neff, geek at large
But Dorothea, from my POV, you are in the thick of several groups--the repository group, the scholarly communications group, the blogosphere group.
- s t e v e
Hm. Let me see if I can ask this question without being leading... no, I can't. Laura, do you think the LSW has any unconsidered privilege issues? If so, we should definitely think about and address them.
- D0r0th34
Steve, those aren't "groups" the way the LSW is. Repos have no group in the US. Scholcomm has a bazillion, none of which I'm particularly part of. The blogosphere is incoherent.
- D0r0th34
I'm not privvy to Dorothea's thread, but I wanted to chime in that chatting with LSW folks online has made the prospect of real life library conferences *less* intimidating to me, because I'll "know" more people going in. That's more a function of library people being online and participatory in general, not LSW specifically, except that LSW provides that "center of gravity" Steve mentions.
- Rachel Walden
Are you kidding, D0r0th34? You created a group out of nothingness (the Repository Rats) and are the spear people use to pop the ignorance bubble about decisions made to do or not to do an IR. It may not seem that way to the insiders, but the non-Rats do look to you for reality checks *goes all fanboi*
- awd
Yeah, I think they do, Aaron, *but* that isn't a function of a group I've joined; it's a function of the essentially lone-wolf acts of publishing Roach Motel and being effing LOUD on CavLec. Do you see the difference I'm trying to get at?
- D0r0th34
I think what you're saying, Dorothea, is that being associated with others is not the same as working in a group. Do I have that right?
- josh neff, geek at large
Dorothea, those count as the kinds of groups I was talking about. I forgot "create a group," but really, it's exactly what I meant: find people outside your institution to talk and argue and share ideas with.
- s t e v e
I don't have answers or solutions for any of these things; I just think about them. As for unconsidered privilege issues: well, there is to begin with the fact that most of us have unfettered internet access (something that is not always true if you are, say, a school librarian) and jobs that give us enough leeway to try this stuff out. The LSW has more men than librarianship as a whole, although probably not more than the techie end of librarianship.
- laura x
But, Steve, I mostly haven't DONE that wrt repositories or scholcomm! When I say that repo-rats are isolated, that's exactly what I mean. There ISN'T a bunch of us shooting the virtual breeze, and when I've tried to start such groups (more than once!), I've failed. The person I argue and share ideas with is basically myself, via the blog.
- D0r0th34
Laura, the LSW got started *because* of free & easy web tools, so yeah, it's kind of based around constant, high-speed internet access. I have thought about presenting on lower tech ways of doing similar things. Unconferences are one way. Zines or something could be another. As for the gender thing...is there something about the LSW that excludes or marginalizes women? I would hate for that to be the case.
- josh neff, geek at large
Laura: Access, the Canadian library technology conference, has more men than librarianship in general, but I still seem to end up hanging out in groups that are predominantly female. This might be because I hate men, though.
- DJF
from twhirl
Josh, I obviously can't answer for all women in libnship, but I will say that I seem to have a very sensitive nose for gender privilege, and I haven't noticed anything problematic in the LSW.
- D0r0th34
Well, there are more white folks in librarianship in general than there are people of color; I don't know that the ratio is different in the LSW. And I don't *think* that the LSW marginalizes women, but I'm always slightly disturbed by how many male presenters there are at ITI conferences (and, for that matter, at ALA conferences).
- laura x
Maybe that could be the LSW's next guerilla action, Laura and Josh. ;)
- D0r0th34
I'm doing my part by *not* presenting at any ITI conferences this year. ;)
- josh neff, geek at large
It's more than just smoke-filled rooms. The more work I do with LITA, the more I think that the whole structure of the big organizations are irrevocably broken in ways that can't be fixed. BIGWIG and LSW are helping reform collaboration and effort for the future.
- Jason Griffey
from twhirl
Like I said. Changing the world out from under people. Go BIGWIG!
- D0r0th34
Ok, jumping late w/ my 2 farthings. I've discussed this before with some of you. I think there are some differences with online social networks that are significant when compared to purely professional groups. The LSW is a pro group, but different in so many ways. A prof assn. still has a social aspect, but is more focused. I think the LSW is much more social, and possibly defined by that. Twitter and the rest are open unless you stay private, and then it's still fairly easy to follow someone
- Rev. Dr. W!cKeD Rock
if you try. Subsets of groups, cliques, if you will, are going to self-select based on commonalities and personalities. The shy, socially challenged, and loners will walk the periphery until they are able to let themselves participate or get pulled in by someone who is already 'in'. I came to CiL in 2006 for the first time and only knew one person there. I felt lonely, but went out and...
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- Rev. Dr. W!cKeD Rock
When it comes to the social groups that form out of the professional organizations it is purely personal. You hang out with people you know and like, people who are fun to be around and whose personality quirks and idiosyncrasies are bearable enough to allow interpersonal communication. There's nothing we can or should do about that. The door is open - come in and join us. We hope you like us, and we want to like you. Don't be an ass or weirdo and we probably will.
- Rev. Dr. W!cKeD Rock
I'm a "puller in'er". I have always included folks who are on the outside because I have been there many times myself. I have also learned that I tend to attract folks that others don't always get along with. I have often included those folks with disastrous results for everyone. So, i have learned to mix and match my groups of friends. There will always be a back room where people go to meet apart from the main group. If you aren't there you should definitely MAKE YOUR OWN. That's the beauty of the LSW
- Rev. Dr. W!cKeD Rock
Re: the LSW presentation, I blame whoever rickrolled us. :P
- Laura H.
Changelog: -- removed the grey background -- removed the bar background and made it subtle -- some font size changes -- some spacing adjustments -- select text background changed
- AJ Batac
from Bookmarklet
* Cleaner and cool look and feel (FriendFeed is already clean, this makes it a lot cleaner) * Different font style * Highlights friends comments with baby yellow (instantly know that the user is already your friend) * Highlights your comments with baby blue (it’s cool to see your own comments from river of comments. Looks good when you are a distance away your computer, makes your...
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- AJ Batac
This userstyle brings the FriendFeed conversation to another level by instantly letting you know… 1) Your own comment (Powder Blue) 2) Your friends comments (Light Yellow) 3) Your non-friends comments (Normal FriendFeed Comment Color) 4) Likes (Light Pink)
- AJ Batac
As FriendFeed becomes popular, you’ll definitely need some kind of instant and attention grabbing color that catches your eyes and tell you where you left off in a conversation. Hope you like it.
- AJ Batac
installing - lovely- although there is something in having the "main area" diff. from the rest of the screen as in the original design - must play and see what works better for me
- Naor Mark
wow that was fast... I don't mind the gray, but this is a nice option for those complainers who don't
- Nathan Chase
Switched already and I'm lovin' this script - much nicer!
- Sally Church
I cleaned it up further. If you've downloaded it already, edit and change this line (.bar {border:none !important; background:none !important;background-color:#C8DCF5 !important;}) ;) much better without those borders on bars ;)
- AJ Batac
(too lazy for looking up the line - re-installed :)
- Naor Mark
Same as Naor, but yeah it is nicer :-)
- Sally Church
I can't tell... are you mimicking the effect of the little yellow halo around the comment bubble when it's inserted into a page you're viewing? Ah... there it is... the halo's still there. Might be nice to have the entire comment's color fade. Skill Level 2.0 ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Wow, this style is gorgeous! Blows the default beta away. Still no fan of fixed-width but if devs go with this style and the new functionality, it's enough win for me.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Really enjoying the Cleaner FF. By the popularity of this thread, I'm assuming many are not really happy with the gray background and colored sidebar boxes.
- Ricardo Vidal
I personally have not much trouble with the new color scheme. Try removing the avatars, they are really noisy. Just try to experience the difference.
- Meryn Stol
colored and + fontsized the post titles, as i prefer to catch the posts rather then the comments, it really works.
- Yunus Tunak
Haven't gotten the new look >.<
- Patrick
from twhirl
AJ - Could you maybe make one that moves the filters and subscriptions over to the left side, turns off the real time, makes the avatars disappear and replace them with icons showing what service provided the post. Maybe as a finishing touch add the ability to post things to our rooms/groups?
- Matthew DeVries
Application error (Apache) Change this error message for exceptions thrown outside of an action (like in Dispatcher setups or broken Ruby code) in public/500.html :(
- Helen Sventitsky
I changed the background for #f8f8fc because it doesn't look as good when it's just as white as the main column. Having it an off-white like that is a lot nicer. Just a suggestion.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Also, I turned off highlighting of friend comments (although not my own) because you all chat too much. :)
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
AJ, you da man! I like it very much. :)
- imabonehead
I tweaked it so all it really did was get rid of the gray background, but left the font sizes and colors alone. Now it looks REALLY good to me. Will screenshot it now. Thanks, AJ!
- Josh Haley
Great job, AJ. Soooo much better. I hope that FF notices that we like their original clean design better and incorporate it into beta again so that I don't need a script for this.
- Carmen - Happy 2010!
<too lazy to read through the comments> if you're using stylish, but aren't crazy about the Trebuchet MS font, go to Tools > Stylish > Manage Styles. Select "Cleaner FriendFeed" and click the Edit button. Go to line 8 and remove "Trebuchet MS" from the font-family declaration (font-family:"Trebuchet MS","Arial","Serif" !important;)</too lazy to read through the comments>
- tiffany
I wish we just had conferences where we discussed statements. The heck with sessions--let's break out into the five laws of library science.
- laura x
:) Wish we'd had them done beforehand too :) Wish I thought and synthesised so quickly - but would have *loved* it if ppl were able to talk about it at CiL ..but then again it seemed presumptive that ppl would *want* to talk about it when so much was going on...
- Kathryn says love n peace
if you had published before, nobody would have gone to the paid-for sessions to focus on the lobbycon discussion of the Statements.
- DJF
from twhirl