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Interplanetary internet gets permanent home in space - http://www.newscientist.com/article...
Phong (Paul) Vo, Amit Patel, Onur Gündüz and 20 other people liked this
"While the Earth-bound internet uses a protocol called TCP/IP to allow distant machines to communicate over cables, the ISS payload uses delay-tolerant networking (DTN) ... commanding each node in the network to store information until it can find another node that can receive it. Data is relayed in a chain and should only need to be transmitted once."
- Tom Stocky
Store-and-forward for the win.
- Ray Cromwell
Finally! A problem for my JSON-RPC over SMTP solution!
- Tracy
LOVE this post
- heretic_twit
Steve Jobs hates the App Store - http://factoryjoe.com/blog...
Pablo Melchor, Shivanand Velmurugan, Daniel Rowley and 25 other people liked this
This reminds me, I must get Chris on building43.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Heh, right on! ;)
- Chris Messina
Finding "We’re in the Yahoo! Directory phase of the application web — but rapidly entering the world of searchable, on-demand functionality" made my day.
- Kathy Fitch
The web can take over as soon as multiple active pages with notifications are supported.
- LogEx
But then does he also hate OSX and OSX developers for the same reason? Is Safari OS around the corner?
- felix
Multiple Active Pages with Notifications? But that's no different from how apps on the iPhone run today — and, as for notifications, you could just use an outside mechanism like push or SMS.
- Chris Messina
@Felix: Jobs might find some Apple developers irksome at times, but on the whole, no, I don't think he hates them. And yes, Safari OS is around the corner, because it's mostly already here, in fits and starts. It's the just web, silly. :P
- Chris Messina
I mean that's what web apps need. There are some great interfaces on some of the web apps, but if I didn't have to have their pages open to get updates, I'd need far fewer native apps.
- LogEx
Safari OS is called Fluid, and I am running it right now. Out of the 15 active apps in my dock, there are 6 web browsers or site-specific browsers.
- Lars Trieloff
from email
@Lars: Fluid is just a wrapper for WebKit with a few nice touches added in. I wouldn't say that SafariOS is Fluid — but through WebKit and HTML5, you do get access to some hardware-based elements (location, GPU, offline storage), which is usually included in the purview of the OS.
- Chris Messina
@Chris - heh, but why would he hate the app store and iphone devs but not osx devs? They both get in the way of web apps? Also... why does he employ so many iphone devs instead of web app devs? :)
- felix
He doesn't hate iPhone devs — it's just that the web is the natural environment for mobile — so it seems to me — desktop/native apps have been there forever. Is the chance to start fresh that make the iPhone different.
- Chris Messina
Ahh, I see what you're saying. Although, honestly, I don't think they're screwing up the App Store on purpose, and I don't think he was being honest when he said web apps were just as good on the iPhone as the SDK - just the SDK wasn't ready for public consumption yet. But I guess we'll never know until we can FOIA corporate docs! ;)
- felix
Zach Flauaus has one of the best one-liner bios on FriendFeed I have ever seen. That's reason enough for a #followfriday.
Laurel Phelps LaFlamme, Grant Bierman, K.D. and 52 other people liked this
Win
- Mo Kargas
Thanks Louis! I was wondering where the follows were coming from.
- Zach Flauaus
I wanted to type my comments in binary but I didn't know how :) Cool bio definitely!
- Boon Kwee
hahahaha
- Chris Penner
that is fabulous! pure win!
- Susan Beebe
that is a good one
- (jeff)isageek
If this baby doesn't come soon I'm going to assume this has just been an elaborate ruse to get me to buy my wife the expensive ice cream.
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A timely Times correction from 1969 | Regret the Error - http://www.regrettheerror.com/newspap...
Michael Muller, Paul Buchheit, Lucy Lou and 12 other people liked this
"On Jan. 13, 1920, "Topics of The Times," an editorial-page feature of The New York Times, dismissed the notion that a rocket could function in a vacuum and commented on the ideas of Robert H. Goddard, the rocket pioneer, as follows: "That Professor Goddard, with his 'chair' in Clark College and the countenancing of the Smithsonian Institution, does not know the relation of action to reaction, and of the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react -- to say that would be absurd. Of course he only seems to lack the knowledge ladled out daily in high schools." Further investigation and experimentation have confirmed the findings of Isaac Newton in the 17th Century and it is now definitely established that a rocket can function in a vacuum as well as in an atmosphere. The Times regrets the error."
- April Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
So much for the knowledge ladled out daily in high schools.
- τorƍue
"Further investigation and experimentation have confirmed the findings of Isaac Newton in the 17th Century". Does that mean that they didn't believe this in 1920? 15 years after Einstein published his first relativity paper? More proof that people should not make definitive statements on subjects about which they know little. Of course, that would probably eliminate most internet discussions...
- Joel Webber
Yoga for Drunks - http://demonicious.com/2009071...
Jing Lim, Krishnamoorthy, Peter Renshaw and 20 other people liked this
"10 yoga poses that were practised by random drunks. They look like real yoga masters, although unintentionally!"
- April Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Instead of feeling amused, I felt really sorry for those poor chaps. Weird, because I normally find a lot of stuff funny.
- Max
Jay Smooth on Michael Jackson - http://www.illdoctrine.com/2009...
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the last word
- Andy Baio
Official Google Blog: Introducing the Google Chrome OS - http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...
Sean O'Connor, Daniel Rowley, Ninh Nguyen and 186 other people liked this
"Google Chrome OS is an open source, lightweight operating system that will initially be targeted at netbooks. Later this year we will open-source its code, and netbooks running Google Chrome OS will be available for consumers in the second half of 2010. Because we're already talking to partners about the project, and we'll soon be working with the open source community, we wanted to share our vision now so everyone understands what we are trying to achieve. Speed, simplicity and security are the key aspects of Google Chrome OS. We're designing the OS to be fast and lightweight, to start up and get you onto the web in a few seconds. The user interface is minimal to stay out of your way, and most of the user experience takes place on the web. And as we did for the Google Chrome browser, we are going back to the basics and completely redesigning the underlying security architecture of the OS so that users don't have to deal with viruses, malware and security updates. It should just work."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
9:37 pm is an odd time for a blog post. I'm guessing that this post was published early in response to http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
- Paul Buchheit
Sounds awesome btw! "The software architecture is simple — Google Chrome running within a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel. For application developers, the web is the platform. All web-based applications will automatically work and new applications can be written using your favorite web technologies. And of course, these apps will run not only on Google Chrome OS, but on any standards-based browser on Windows, Mac and Linux thereby giving developers the largest user base of any platform."
- Paul Buchheit
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- patrick
This sounds like it would be perfect for Arringtons CrunchPad
- patrick
patrick, that would be pretty neat, wouldn't it? I don't know much about the hardware/OS in the CrunchPad though.
- Matt Cutts
sounds awesome indeed
- Edwin Khodabakchian
This sounds very, very interesting. Shame we have to wait till fall to hear more details. :)
- Sean Brady
Timing matters a lot Sanat. 10 years ago the tech and users weren't ready for this, but we're just about there now, especially with tech such as NaCl.
- Paul Buchheit
woot
- Robert Higgins
I agree with Paul. I think that people are ready for this. I am wondering however if there will be some confusion regarding Android versus Google Chrome OS.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I am so happy this is happening.
- Bret Taylor
Edwin: I was confused till now about Android usage in netbooks but this announcement actually clears that up.
- Kiran Patchigolla
Paul, your guess on timing is probably right. The story broke, so they hit publish. Note the last paragraph says to wait until fall and to have a nice summer. This is a very interesting development indeed.
- Louis Gray
How will this differ from just being a special Linux distro?
- Gabe
Gabe, in the same way that Android differs from a special Linux distro :). They both use Linux as a device driver layer, but have built up a whole new application layer.
- Paul Buchheit
Gabe: from the blog post, they are writing a new window manager (and presumably getting rid of X since it is so slow and resource intensive). And I also presume working on startup time and power consumption will involve some deeper changes to the OS than most Linux distributions.
- Bret Taylor
Right on. Just like Apple did with Mac OS X.
- Sam Grover
"It should just work"
- Hayes Haugen
Bright move for an excellent project. V8 is so slick, I wished for it to be utilized in a broader domain than "just" within the confines of a browser. Stripping out all kinds of unnecessary OS components, building a layer of native windowing on top. Very excited.
- Mustafa K. Isik
a new windows system is interesting - Google just open sourced a custom NX server (http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009...) so I wonder if that's related. I think overloading the Chrome name is a mistake, though - look how that worked for Sun with Java (remember the Java Desktop System - which was a Linux distribution and JavaFX?)
- Nick Lothian
Won't people get annoyed when Flash doesn't work, or QuickTime movies won't play, or something like that?
- Gabe
How soon will Chrome have enough market share for Google to push major new browser features? There are lots of ways to imagine a browser, but we're all still using more or less the same one.
- Zak Stone
I'm so excited. I wonder when we can get our hands on the real stuff.
- Sung W. Lim
Gabe: I think a lot of the work that is going into HTML5 is to mitigate those issues.
- Mark Trapp
from iPhone
Mark: Are you suggesting that people will write their apps in HTML5 (along with or instead of Flash), or that somebody is going to make a usable implementation of Flash in HTML5?
- Gabe
Gabe, I don't see any reason why they couldn't get Flash running on Chrome -- they already announced that Flash10 will be on Android: http://www.googleandblog.com/adobe-a...
- Paul Buchheit
Web-as-a-platform has a long ways to go. I think this is great work they are doing but just don't see it as being transformative.
- Hayes Haugen
People will still want to run native compiled apps. Especially for games.
- Rodfather
Rodfather, see http://code.google.com/p... (sandboxed x86, in short)
- Paul Buchheit
Gabe: The former. HTML5 includes built-in video and audio support, and includes Canvas, which will in large part act as a replacement for most use-cases of Flash. Some parts of it are already out there, but it'll still be a couple of years, I think, before it's ubiquitous. Maybe Google will get Apple and Microsoft to port their stuff to Linux (like Paul says, Flash is already in the works for Android) so it'll work on Chrome OS, but it seems more likely they're banking on HTML5's success.
- Mark Trapp
from iPhone
Paul, Native Client sounds exciting
- Rodfather
A new windowing system just to run Chrome? Sounds a bit overkill to me. It feels like their "broad vision" is ignoring some important offline user behavior that can't easily be addressed with Gears. Soon they will probably need a file manager, a desktop, proper windowing, reserved areas on the screen to display "things" about what's happening and some more. Yeah, voila, what I just described is a fully-fledged Linux desktop, something Ubuntu-like. I hope they're not reinventing the old wheel.
- Enver ALTIN
What's going to happen when somebody needs to print a boarding pass or tax form?
- Gabe
Hopefully it will have some kind of printer support. Printers have to be the most backwards, broken part of the PC world though. Even on osx and windows, they never quite work, and sharing is nearly impossible.
- Paul Buchheit
@Paul .. good luck with that :) But we don't need printers, right? Everything can be done on the web.
- Tim Hoeck
Enver: except that Ubuntu takes forever to start up and X and all common desktop environments (Gnome, KDE) are slow as heck. I hope they reinvent a few wheels, if those are the wheels I have to choose from.
- Bret Taylor
Google and Microsoft getting more and more alike.
- Rutger Blom
Will Google take a cut from the devs for apps written for Google Chrome OS?
- τorƍue
Rutger: They are in the same space but not alike. i cannot imagine windows being open sourced
- Kiran Patchigolla
τorƍue, nope.. but you'll have to look at ads in your OS. :)
- Tim Hoeck
Kiran: I can actually see Microsoft releasing an open source OS if that generates money for them. I just meant Google, by first releasing a browser and now an OS, is starting to look more like Microsoft in my eyes. They just apply a different license to their source code and "do no evil" right?
- Rutger Blom
Finally!
- phil
Finally, maybe it'll force IE to become standards-compliant. I'm sick of this ..oh yeah, now I have to make it work on IE (6,7,8).. this is such a clean concept (that we all knew was coming)!!
- Chris Myles
Did you notice that few weeks ago, Google announced that they were integrating NaCl into Chromium: "we have a strong preference for delivering Native Client pre-installed or built into the browser, and we'll be focusing on that as our main strategy for delivering Native Client to users. Careful readers may have already noticed evidence of integration into Chromium...
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- Jérôme Flipo
Bret, sluggishness is a feature of today's Linux desktop, I agree -- but determining to reinvent instead of giving a few hands to fix the problem? Just to host a browser? It doesn't seem like a good move to me.
- Enver ALTIN
I hope the good old classical *nix utilities will be available in this grand new OS, specifically vim+git? I'm just going so well with Linux.
- Juvenn Woo
I think they should have kept it a secret until they had more code. Also, history is littered with attempts to do this. Remember NetPC? Remember JavaPC/JavaOS? Remember Netscape's Javascript Push Desktop? Maybe the web is mature enough that people are ready for this concept now, atleast on mobile devices like the Pre and NetBooks, but there's a still a lot of people who like to run...
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- Ray Cromwell
ChromeOS is custom GUI for web apps running on a linux kernel, right? So how exactly is this different from Palm's WebOS which is a linux kernel running a custom version of webkit.
- Greg Morgan
Greg, it's probably conceptually similar, except that ChromeOS will be designed for netbooks instead of cellphones (which obviously have different ui constraints).
- Paul Buchheit
Isn't a huge difference compared to WebOS (which allows some API calls to the hardware) that the apps developed for Chrome OS are limited to the webbrowser sandbox? In the blog post Google says "And of course, these apps will run not only on Google Chrome OS, but on any standards-based browser on Windows, Mac and Linux thereby giving developers the largest user base of any platform." Unless they try the Microsoft Active X approach to get around that, which sounds like a pretty bad idea to me.
- Daniel Chow
Will this mean I get adsense on my desktop? ;-) No but srsly I am amazed to see that this interesting project wasn't started by a team that has just left Google.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Finally
- Ozkan Altuner
from Android
@Ray Cromwell, you're right, they should have kept their cool, and let the NYT publish what it wants without explicit corroboration. It's MSFT that's the master of premature announcements, aka vaporware, not Google. As it is now, the assorted self-styled tech punditry of the world will have half the summer and fall to speculate, when they could have been caught largely unawares with a simple faït accomplí.
- ianf ⌘
@patrick "This sounds like it would be perfect for Arringtons CrunchPad" and @Matt Cutts: "that would be pretty neat, wouldn't it?" - possibly, only Arrington needs the OS by last friday, not "in second half of 2010," when first "Chrome'd" hardware is supposed to arrive. On a personal note, I'd probably be more enthusiastic had they managed to bring out a stable Chrome browser for OSX, not solely the old Windoze… first things first.
- ianf ⌘
@ianf: Like your "rock dots" in fàït accômplí :)
- Joel Webber
Nifty design goals.
- Mark Essel
I hope standart Linux tools will be available :-) Vim, ssh should be there!
- Eren Türkay
Someone said "I hope they're not reinventing the wheel" -- I hate to break it to you, but that is what Google does best: reinvent. Search Engines, webmail, jabber, web browsers, linux for phones, email ... all of them had already been invented once ;-)
- Joel Bennett
If we never reinvented the wheel, we'd still be using tree trunks to roll things on.
- Rich
a great opportunity for linux, IMHO. And anyway, another player in the field of OS, which is good ;-)
- Marco Castellani
I hope Chrome OS will bring real innovations to Linux (which is already innovative). Not only Google's logo!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
This is big. Like... Biblical Big.
- Mike Troiano
Oh, yeas? And what epochal software, pray, has the Bible brought forth? I can only think of the virus of religion itself, but that's hardly a cause to celebrate [spoken as true atheist].
- ianf ⌘
Having fun watching posts stream in about Chrome OS: http://friendfeed.com/search...
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Do you know anything?
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I like that the story broke late at night Pacific time, and I am very eager to see this unfold.
- Louis Gray
@Johnny http://bit.ly/N1rNZ
- mjc
Duuuuuuuuude!
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
That is fun!
- Brian Ahier
Wow, they are pouring in fast!
- Laura Norvig
Anil Dash on the first rapper vs. the first blogger - http://dashes.com/anil...
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"all of blogging is hip hop"
- Andy Baio
CSS: A tribute to selectors | For A Beautiful Web - http://forabeautifulweb.com/blog...
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"I wanted to learn more about CSS attribute selectors." — This article was originally published on And All That Malarkey on February 20th, 2005.
- Bruno Campagnolo de Paula
My Brief Life as a Woman - http://patrissimo.livejournal.com/1124287...
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God Texts the Ten Commandments - http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2009...
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"no omg's"
- Andy Baio
dance party :: how to start one - http://www.zefrank.com/zesblog...
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The comment on the page from Yardboy quoting Dave Barry is so true: "No one cares if you can dance well or not, just get out there and dance."
- Brett Cannon
100 movie lines in 200 seconds - http://www.kottke.org/09...
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Pretty great!
- Luke M. Muszkiewicz
Spent the morning trying to eliminate my web host(s). Ported my static image/file server to S3. Ported my wiki to Google Sites. Ported my old SVN repository to Google Code. The one that is giving me the biggest headache to migrate and shut down? The blog. Years and years of posts and comments in WordPress and no place great to move them.
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App Engine. Take my code if you like: http://github.com/bgolub...
- Benjamin Golub
Tried moving the WordPress data over to Blogger. A pain in the ass, but it finally mostly worked. But I want full control over the templates, and Blogger wants to insert its own bits into the page. Next up is a shot at moving it to App Engine, but I'm torn between storing the data there vs. just rendering it there and using Blogger as a backend. Thoughts?
- DeWitt Clinton
@Ben - thanks -- did you import old data, or did you start from scratch?
- DeWitt Clinton
I moved my old blog (Wordpress) to old.benjamingolub.com and have a handler that looks for URLs that might have been from my old blog and redirects to it. It's something like /(\d+)/(\d+)/(\d+)/([\w-]+)/?
- Benjamin Golub
And since this will inevitably turn into a half praise / half gripe thread, I'll add that I really wish Google Sites would let me redirect URLs and/or handle case insensitive URLs (and URLs with legal characters outside of [a-z][A-Z][0-9]). It *almost* works for MediaWiki migrations, but not quite, and I have lingering broken URLs now that I don't have the ability to intercept and fix.
- DeWitt Clinton
@Ben - ahh, so, my goal is to shut down my hosts entirely. I don't want to keep the old site alive. A big ask, but that's what I'm shooting for.
- DeWitt Clinton
It is funny. 10 years ago I thought I was cool because I hosted my own services. Now I feel like an idiot for still doing so. Viva la cloud.
- DeWitt Clinton
why not move your blog to Wordpress.com?
- Daniel Sims
On the praise side, I ported static.unto.net to S3 rather easily. I used Transmit on OSX (also played with ForkLift and S3Hub) to connect over sftp/ssh to my old host, created a new bucket called 'static.unto.net', set the per-file permissions to world-read, and just drag-and-drop copied all my old static files. I then pointed static.unto.net to 'static.unto.net.s3.amazonaws.com' via a CNAME and everything just worked. So "A+++ Would Buy Again" for Amazon Web Services.
- DeWitt Clinton
@Daniel - if I never write another line of PHP, it will be too soon. I need to make a break from WordPress for that reason alone.
- DeWitt Clinton
Regarding blogger inserting its own bits into the page: do you mean the navbar at the top of the page specifically, or is overall structure of its template language too inflexible? The navbar can be suppressed via CSS... though I guess the template language is fundamental.
- DGentry
I like the idea of a cloud-hosted blog using my own domain name but I'm rather taken with WP's constellation of plugins. How can you get the SEO benefits and 3rd party comment flexbility with a simple standalone blog like Ben's? I suppose internet famous app developers don't need to worry about SEO as much as other people might?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Squarespace, perhaps?
- Christopher A Carr
@rickgalan wish Twitter had an edit button like FriendFeed does. Sigh.
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