before doing that something hard, be sure to check the USPTO for patent infringements. N don't forget, everything is patented, even a login box :)
- Mark L
from twhirl
sry Chris, was just being sarcastic. Years ago after reading a particular social networking site's patents being approved, i was in a complete dumb struck state.
- Mark L
from twhirl
Easiest way to do so is to actually make some money.
- Adam Helweh
You know better than I do Steven, but I believe those who have not fully adopted online communications like those of us here regularly, abandon social media, (and perhaps a lot of internet uses), for more tactile time spend during downturns. I've witnessed folks behaviors changed en mass, directed by circumstances. Could be enough to explain most of that, because I think generally, their more tuned product is accelerating in usefulness.
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Unique visitors is an interesting statistic but it's clear that the real value to FF will be engagement. Returning visitors, visits per day, dwell time etc. will show the real power of FF.
- AJ Kohn
So what are you doing to help turn this momentum around (goes for all of you above)?
- Louis Gray
I think that the craziness of the economy has had an effect... people are spending more time off-line (I know I have) and less likely to be looking for new things. I think it will turn around after a while.
- Lindsay
I use FF in my email sig, tell friends, drop it in my blog from time to time.
- AJ Kohn
Louis: my thesis. People aren't getting enough value out of this and are seeing it as a time drain. Also, I'm seeing people staying away from online sites that cover politics and economic news in order to stay away from mental pain. Those things get better in November. It'll be interesting to see if the line goes back up then. But we need new features to cure the first thing. I think they are on the way.
- Robert Scoble
I thinking the same thing as Robert. I also think that many avid users have found that this can be an incredible time sink, and have had to back off a little.
- Jeff P. Henderson
could also be attributed to employees spending more time on their tasks and less time browsing FF.
- Tsega Dinka
but I also pedict that with winter around the corner and more people spending longer hours indoors, the traffic will be going back up.
- Tsega Dinka
Louis, I may have just converted my wife - does that count? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
maybe if there were more Joe 6pack examples of the value in the world Joe lives in they would be more inclined to use it. Telling people how important it is won't teach them as well as showing them by example.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Friendfeed jumped for me when it became a chat room for popular bloggers and their stalkerish followers. Give me twitter with Twitscoop any day.
- Wayne Schulz
Maybe FF would like to give its fans incentives to help them be successful. I keep hoping some company has the guts to try to include their users in the prosperity we create, together. It's a good time for out of the box thinking, no?
- Dave Winer
heck, if friendfeed would consider sharing revenues from ads in the rooms - that would really be something!
- Zee.
Could you layer the stock market graph over the same timeframe? Would there be a similarity in the graphs?
- Hutch Carpenter
@Wayne..haha and twitter isn't a chat room for popular bloggers & stalkerish followers...? lol...
- Zee.
Does the drop correlate with the release of the list feature?
- Todd Hoff
If it really is a drop (it's not a drop in traffic btw, just the number of times it's been mentioned on the web, a measure of buzz if anything) it probably correlates to Twitter becoming reliable again and luring back its users, which was a slow process of rebuilding trust. There's absolutely no doubt, looking at the graph, that FF benefited when Twitter was going down all the time.
- Dave Winer
Those that are focusing on technologies with mass-consumer appeal. And I mean mass - products for your mom.
- Carla Thompson
Cash rich companies will stay afloat. A smaller sized organisation may prolong this. 'Free' on the web is king as ppl will have a lot lesser disposable income. Weather thru it or create a new niche. just my $0.02 worth.
- Mark L
from twhirl
Cash rich companies will stay afloat. A smaller sized organisation may prolong this. 'Free' on the web is king as ppl will have a lot lesser disposable income. Weather thru it or create a new niche. just my $0.02 worth.
- Mark L
from twhirl
I think this is a good opportunity to trim down the Federal government. Couldn't we potentially get rid of about $700 billion worth of programs that really don't benefit people or don't do what they're supposed to efficiently?
Doing that would deepen the economic troubles we're in. Remember, when you trim, you put people on the streets. You all really do want breadlines, don't you?
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, I want you to admit that this is the dems fault, then I'll support the bill. You want to "do the right thing" - eat the blame. c'mon big man.
- Morgan Warstler
We could start by elliminating subsidies... Quit paying farmers to grow corn, etc etc
- Internet's Tad
Robert, if those programs are fat anyway, why not trim them? Repurpose the funds to help anyone who loses a job because of the program dying. We need to get rid of whatever spending we can right now and there's so many things that taxpayer money is being wasted on... Time to choose priorities.
- Lindsay
We could start by making people wait to be 75 to get Social Security.
- Morgan Warstler
@Morgan - it's BOTH parties' fault. and who's fault it is is totally irrelevant. It's time to get on to the business of fixing things and quit wasting time and energy pointing fingers.
- Lindsay
So, Morgan, it's the dems' who removed the regulations that allowed this nonsense to happen? Really?
- Peter Ghosh
There needs to be cuts. period. Gov't is bloated and inefficient. We need to trim the fat, keep the good. Use wisdom and reshape the Gov't just like you do a company - must tread lightly. Make modererate changes, carefully monitor and examine results of said changes and then make improvements (i.e. further changes) to fine tune... tweak as you go once you have the base established. Sometimes epic events will slice off entire segments of revenue, we must ADAPT or suffer consequences. Status quo is out
- Susan Beebe
@Morgan - So you're suggesting putting a large segment of the population (65-75 year olds) back in the job market at this point? I don't think that's going to help things...
- Lindsay
Morgan: I already admitted that in another thread. But, this all gained steam when there was a Republican President and a Republican-controlled Congress. Or you forget about that, huh?
- Robert Scoble
Tad, I'd vote to get rid of the subsidies that pay farmers to not grow *anything* first. Those are the ones that chap my hide...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
+1 Susan. Or let's just return to the federal government the Constitution suggested...
- Lindsay
Anyway, it doesn't matter who started the fire. Right now the house is burning. You gonna help put it out, or you gonna sit back and yell "burn, baby, burn?" Lindsay: every time the system burns the government gets bigger, not smaller. I'd worry about the reverse happening.
- Robert Scoble
Deregulation is the property of the Republican party.
- Brad Nickel
we should use our efforts instead to stop the abuse and misuse of them.
- Patricia
or just trim down on that little thing called ... war
- adolfo foronda
@Robert - I know... and unfortunately all this is just another freaking power grab by the government. We are not in a good place... every disaster digs us in deeper... time for people to quit taking it. 9/11 was the same thing on our personal freedoms...
- Lindsay
+1 Lindsay; I would add that I don't read the constitution as a set of suggestions. According to the constitution, our government is instituted to protect our God-given rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Anything that the Gov't meddles in that isn't of that prime directive is inappropriate.
- Mattb4rd
Kenny & adolfo - no kidding... time to focus on our problems at home. We need to close shop for a while.
- Lindsay
Again, Scoble it isn't the markets fault, it is Dem Congress fault. They wanted, got, and defended home loans for the unloanable. Stop "admitting in another thread" and stop trying to spread the blame - blame the Dems. Say it out loud, in every post you mention this - otherwise it looks like you have agenda other than truth. Dems must be stopped or they will do this again.
- Morgan Warstler
Instead of spending 700 Million on the bank bailout, why not use that money to create jobs that will benefit this country like green tech energy. That will reduce the number out of work and help the entire country. We need a new "New Deal".
- Wizetux
@Brad, wrong. Repubs wanted to regulate the hell out of Fannie / Freddie - they knew it was a liberal give away. guys the market didn't fail. The governments attempts to manipulate the market failed.
- Morgan Warstler
I'm at work and can't watch the video you continue to post. But again, if you have a list of exactly which Democratic lawmakers actually loaned the money for these mortgages, I'd like to see it. My understanding was that the banks loaned the money to people with worse credit scores so they could reap the higher interest rate in return...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Get over who's fault it is!! It doesn't MATTER! What does matter is what we do from this point forward... We'll have time to point fingers later... it's NOT IMPORTANT. It doesn't keep the economy from collapsing to figure out exactly who tipped it over.
- Lindsay
Mr. Scoble; I disagree. It does matter who(what) started the fire. The government is at fault. Let the market correct itself and keep the government out of that which they have no business meddling with.
- Mattb4rd
Lindsay, it does matter when those responsible are wanting to now correct their failure.
- Paul W. Swansen
228 wanted free market policies. It's called 'capitalism'.
- Mark L
from twhirl
Morgan - that''s just crap. It's like saying increasing the speed limit to 65 mph is directly responsible for someone driving 120 mph. Nowhere, NOWHERE did Democrats - or anyone else - for that matter call for mortgage companies to give $500K loans to people without any verification of income or any reasonable indication of an ability to pay. Making home ownership accessible to a broader swath of Americans was and is a good idea for the economy. Rampant de-regulation and a lack of oversight is not.
- Kevin Pedraja
@Paul - no, what matters is the fact that they ARE trying to CORRECT their failure... we need some correction, I would think... and I don't care who does the correction as long as its going to work out for the best.
- Lindsay
Fannie and Freddie "securitized" the deals - making them valid and bondable above junk. Speeding isn't valid example. You need to admit this to yourself: Fannie and Freddie made any bad loan "good" in the name of Dem agenda.
- Morgan Warstler
I have friends that work in the apartment industry, and they new this was never going to work when they would have people come in for an apartment, and get turned down based on credit. They next day those same people were across the street buying a $500K home on credit from the bank. What does that tell you????
- Wizetux
Ok, Morgan - you are totally and completely right... This whole mess is the Democrats's fault. Feel better? Ok... now what would YOU do to fix things? (Why do I have a feeling it's rounding up all the Democrats and kicking them out of the country?).
- Lindsay
@Lindsay. Cut corporate taxes and capital gains taxes to zero. Stop deficit spending of government. In 1 year, we'll be singing.
- Morgan Warstler
working for a small minority newspaper --- I seriously share your concern
- R. Ferguson
I'm worried that this mess will cause me to never be able to get another job as a designer.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
the cash rich stay on.. small will be the new big indeed..
- Mark L
from twhirl
they'll be one of the first to get hit. Marketing will get scaled back if people don't have cash to buy
- Jim Goldstein
Somebody needs to start printing some junk bonds for us:)
- Barbara Duck
from twhirl
If China is an indicator, people will switch to subscription services with micropayments, like Tencent did. Tencent now has market cap of US25B+
- Paul Denlinger
again, more of a reason to find a way out of the advertising lock in. Free ourselves from their death grip and things will be so much better.
- alphaxion
it means bad news, definitely. Pure advertising-driven projects is a road to nowhere, imho.
- Kuroki Kaze
So are you shorting GOOG? I thought GOOG said actually in times like these advertisers went to proven measurable ads like theirs. Are the bids for keywords getting lower?
- Indio Apache
from twhirl
Don't worry about cool startups; they will find their way ruggedly!
- Erhan Erdogan
loic should use friendfeed and stop responding altogether on twitter for the reasons outlined here. twitter, otoh, should: 1. add support for payloads so that 2. disqus can enable conversation attached to a tweet so kara and others can hear what everyone has to say, or if not interested, nothing all we're hearing is one side of the conversation, which usually is meaningless and therefore annoying.
- Dave Winer
Loic, do you dislike DM? if not, maybe it is better when you reply questions. I agree on efficiency of discussion on FriendFeed, i guess it's simply a matter of habit for you.
- Majento
so having said that, is FF making Twitter irrelavent?
- Mark L
from twhirl
interesting Dave. Problem is that there are more people using Twitter than Friendfeed. Many people do not follow the conversation here. I am seriously considering using two twitter accounts. Majento, I use DM only for private and in my world not much private stuff...
- Loic Le Meur
it's maddening you have to reciprocate a relationship in order to DM on Twitter, and will Twitter make replied include mentions, like brightkite does? Screw it, email/phone ftw
- Eric Rice
...Arrr, i just hope I remember t' reset e'erythin' before Me lea'e on 'acation tomorrow mornin'. Otherwise, I'll be a pirate all week long, argh!
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
lol crap I missed that the first time! thats awesome :) Have to give them a lot of credit for this.. To find yer maties who are already sailin' the Seven Seas on the Good Ship Facebook, stand in the Crow's Nest and use the Weather-eye for jolly companions.
- Socom
dicaprio and crowe should have swapped places with pacino and deniro from righteous kill
- Mark L
from twhirl
@Mark Dicaprio and Crowe would not have improved Righteous Kill aside from maybe selling more tickets to women. The issue at hand was that the movie had such a poor script even great actors would have looked foolish. I was totally disappointed too.
- Steve Sebestyen
from twhirl
Yup, even in Microsoft's Official Windows magazine, they promoting XP more. Vista + EPIC FAIL
- Ron
OS X is better then Vista. But, alas I'm stuck with Vista. So how does it run on your Pro?
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Does the download version work for both Mac and Windows? I know the retail box does.
- Joe Beda ()
I'd like to know if you can -tab out of the game? I couldn't with the creature creator.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Type -return to get out of the full screen mode and -tab should definitely work even in full screen mode. At least it did for me with the creature creator.
- Dan Serfaty
real men use linux... amateurs in a consumerized economy
- Mark L
from twhirl
Could the crashes be down to badly written video drivers? This was the reason why I gave up on PC gaming.
- Paul Grav
that should so be a Mac vs. PC commercial: "Not talking sh*t, but eh…"
- Vincent van Wylick
Gotta' agree with Vincent...awesome commercial begininng "Hi, I'm a Mac/And I'm a piece of SH*T!
- Jeff Garlick
hmm, i thought you used XP? ...anyway, that's odd! I'm also using vista and I haven't had any problems!! I got really addicted to it too though! Which is quite surprising as it's not normally my type of game!
- Jonathan Brierley
Louis: with people you often only get one impression. That is what I was saying. If the site sucks the liklihood that you will go deep isn't very high.
- Robert Scoble
Is he really being an unfair jerk, Marshall? I mean....the sites DO generally suck. How is saying so unfair or jerky?
- David Rothman (☤)
my take "no such thing as bad publicity. just spell my URL right."
- Indio Apache
from twhirl
sorry robert if i was an unfair jerk in saying you were being an unfair jerk. the advice you give is very much like the advice i give companies too, i was just put off by the tone for a few reasons. i think the pre-event silence requirement doesnt help (nor does it justify these shortcomings, though threats to kick co's out don't help either
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
from fftogo
i've also had a lot of good times at demo (had a lot of criticisms as well) and am concerned about people being bullies to chris & demo. u have been so positive about tc50 co's that this latest post rankled me a bit as i read it while walking to the store on a beer run. your critiques are right on, but i'm cheering for all these startups.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
from fftogo
I'm with Sean here. It was a little 'harsh' and sure Scoble is a judge at TC50 (I think) .. but they were still valid points. Throwing people a heads up isn't necessarily trashing them especially with 'the style' some bloggers use today. Marketing is as important (if not more important) as the product.
- Charlie Anzman
It's apparently playing out in a new Scoble piece that I didn't notice. Marshall - the other point is that Scoble's blog does have a pretty far reach and if you read through it, he hotlinked to all the companies making it easy for you to explore their stuff, and if you really wanted to, the comments about the websites (IE: Free Press?!)
- Charlie Anzman
I think this is an opportunity for each one of those. This is an opportunity for each and every one of them to now come out, join the Meme, and say why they don't suck. This is an opportunity for added exposure and explanation for each one of them.
- Jesse Stay
He's an author, blogger, evangelist & has come a long way. It's just another person's opinion and he's entitled to it. Entrepreneurs must learn to cope, handle and take criticisms gracefully. You're given a choice, learn from it, discard it or move on. Just my $0.02 worth.
- Mark L
from twhirl
Just to be clear everyone, in the article, he called them "amazingly lame companies" - it was a bit uncalled for...it was kind of mean. He later wrote that realized that he had detracted from the original argument he was making - about the websites themselves. I think that this information could have been presented in a way that focused on delivering "construction criticism". There was some value to the statements, but the overall tone was very negative, which is why he received such backlash.
- Sarah Perez
That being said, I personally am excited to see all the apps introduced this week, from DEMO to TC50 and Web 20 Expo, too. I wish all the startups debuting this week the best of luck...and the conf organizers, too. I don't want to draw lines in the sand and start a war.
- Sarah Perez
Did she invoke God's Will to get a pipeline completed? Did I hear that right?
- AJ Kohn
AJ: yes, you heard that right. The debates are sure going to be interesting.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: *sigh* You know, I worked at a Christian High School for two years and they *never* threw around God's Will like this. You asked for his intervention to help those in need, for safety, for health, for peace. I'm trying to stay focused on issues but this is ... depressing IMO.
- AJ Kohn
She invoked Gods will to get a pipeline, and she made it clear that our troops in the Middle East are on a mission from God. That is my definition of "extremism."
- Dan Ciruli
Caleb: "The founder of the Alaska Independence Party -- a group that has been courted over the years by Sarah Palin, and one her husband was a member of for roughly seven years -- once professed his "hatred for the American government" and cursed the American flag as a "damn flag.""
- Sean McBride
We're the richest state in the union *cough*(in-terms-of-natural-resources)*cough* !!!
- Shawn Farner
Apparently it's God's plan for us to be in Iraq also.
- Jeff P. Henderson
We know what's coming next: it will be God's will to go to war against Iran and Russia, and to imprison any Americans who oppose the policy. Look at how the emerging neocon/Christian Zionist police state just roughed up Amy Goodman at the Republican convention.
- Sean McBride
Sarah, God just called and requested that you quit it with the name dropping.
- Steve Isaacs
@AJ - ditto...I was raised up to believe that God's intervention be asked for in terms of others needs, safety, health or peace. Was not aware that pipelines or waging wars were the things one would ask their god for.
- JA Castillo
@Dan: Maybe she's just a Blues Brothers fan (re: mission from God, etc.)
- Kirk Kittell
At least Miller didn't invoke God to justify the invasion and occupation of a foreign nation, a policy which has led to hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths, casualties and refugees (and which has been a strategic, financial and moral disaster for the United States).
- Sean McBride
The shock for me was how many times she said "Alaska." Its weird.
- ishak
from twhirl
@Jim: Perhaps it was during the dead spot? I'm trying to be unbiased here. I am. But I heard help provide a living wage with the very near context being to help the poor and disadvantaged.
- AJ Kohn
tattoos are only cool if they are jesus and alaska! ha!
- Nathan Eckenrode
Bush proclaimed that God told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their...
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- jcunwired
All we need is another fruitcake leader with close ties to God.
- jcunwired
God also told Hitler to invade Russia -- that worked out really well for the Germans. When a politician starts invoking God to justify military ventures, run for your life -- they are quite likely insane.
- Sean McBride
Regarding the frequent mentions of Alaska: Sarah Palin is a messianic Alaskan nationalist. I only half-kid -- look at her ties to the Alaskan Independence Party, whose leader has expressed hatred towards the United States and reviled the American flag. So far the mainstream media have maintained a stony silence about this and several other controversial issues about Palin.
- Sean McBride
I don't see how fighting in Iraq has anything to do with America's interests unless we're just going to say the soldiers are over there fighting to secure oil for us...
- Internet's Tad
Jim and Tad: the Iraq War was overwhelmingly in conflict with the American interest. We have dumped trillions of dollars down the drain in Iraq with the result of greatly increasing the power of Iran and Muslim fundamentalists in the region and reducing our access to Iraqi oil (China was just handed the first big Iraqi oil contract). John McCain, Sarah Palin and the Republican Party in...
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- Sean McBride
Religion + Politics = Destruction .. history has shown...
- Mark L
from twhirl
Religion = War + Destruction.. history has also shown
- jcunwired
For whatever it's worth, I'd never heard of this woman until Dad asked me to vet her yesterday.
- TweetJeebus
The Bush quote is highly credible because he has made many other similar statements that are on the public record. There can be little doubt that he is Christian fundamentalist (and, more specifically, a Christian Zionist, which is a branch of Christian fundamentalism.)
- Sean McBride
It isn't credible because a Bush White House spokesman says it isn't? If anything, this convinces me it was quite true.
- jcunwired
@Jim: Are we watching the same clip? I mean, who's assuming? He asks for us to find ways to solve the problems of healthcare and poverty. That they had not done so, and that it would be difficult to do so, which is why he asked for God's help. I did not hear him invoke God's will for any specific plan. Find me where he asks for God's will to pass the Obama healthcare plan and I'll gladly say that is wrong. I won't say it's wrong to ask God to help us solve the issues of health and poverty that plague us.
- AJ Kohn
Jim -- since Bush and McCain have been able to offer no *rational* rationale for a war that is clearly a multi-trillion disaster, one has to assume, reasonably, that they are not very smart and are being driven by a primitive ideological agenda that has nothing to do with intelligent strategic calculations of the American interest. In Bush's case, we know that Christian fundamentalism is the key.
- Sean McBride
@Jim: Why isn't the quote credible? Because the White House says it isn't? I'm not saying it *is* credible - it's a he said she said scenario. But it's certainly up for grabs given this administration's track record.
- AJ Kohn
I'm Jewish and I don't see the point of this video. Is this supposed to make me NOT want to vote for John McCain and Sarah Palin? This video just makes McCain/Palin even more attractive. I don't ssee any of the ranting and raving we saw at the OTHER candidates church. I bet the Trinity Church would NEVER want video of their candidate speaking from their pulpit to hit the interwebs. It...
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- pitlord
from twhirl
@pitlord: Just two weeks ago, when Palin’s church (with Palin in attendance), the Wasilla Bible Church, gave its pulpit over to a figure viewed with deep hostility by many Jewish organizations: David Brickner, the executive director of Jews for Jesus. Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.
- AJ Kohn
@pitlord: (ranting and raving from her church) has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."
- AJ Kohn
@Jim: I can agree that the context of the platform could certainly be inferred. Though I would argue that the current platform has stressed that government can't solve all the ails. That personal responsibility must be re-established. "Ours is a promise that says government cannot solve all our problems, but what it should do is that which we cannot do for ourselves - protect us from...
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- AJ Kohn
@Jim: I would be fine with no prayer at all actually. Your relationship to God is a personal thing IMO and not something that should be inserted into this process. Your values can be informed by this relationship, meaning you could be a pacificist because of your particular relationship with God.
- AJ Kohn
If we removed God and religion from all of these politicians statements, we would then be evaluating them on the merits of their position on issues. Instead we are endlessly distracted by religious arguments and are completely ignoring the issues that we all face together, regardless of religion or political affiliation. Why must religion be brought into the political arena?
- Jeff P. Henderson
At 2:42 does she say she wants the audience to go out there "hurtin' people" or "herdin' people"? And should it matter, since I feel uneasy about either?
- Alexei Tolkachev
3 tabs open filled with gfx and only takes up 6,500K !! friggin LIGHTWEIGHT!
- Mark L
from twhirl
yeah i know the ui could be better and its really fast can't wait untill it comes out for os x
- Matt Bebich
from twhirl
holy shit . . . you ain't lying. Even i'm impressed, and these things rarely impress me
- Lindsey is Fierce!
I just downloaded it on my XP laptop. Need to try it on my VMWare iMac. Anyone notice it's just browser and tabs. No menu bar really minimizes it.
- Larry Kless
from twhirl
Playing around with it on my work PC, so far I like the snappiness of it. I'll get a better gauge of it at home. I do like what I'm seeing so far but I agree with Chris, needs some UI advice from users. Good thing it's open for beta huh?
- Bryan
fast as in page loads? I think it's fast because it has DNS pre-fetching enabled by default...
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
I don't think I'll ever be waiting on Gmail again!
- Jaemi Kehoe
Gmail goes like a rocketship. I think most users will find the UI pretty intuitive - after all, 90% of web surfers only know how to use one button - the Back button
- Tom Quinn
Things like Organise > Groups in Flickr generally take an age (member of 450+ groups). In Chrome it is lightning fast.
- Tom Quinn
when i first tested it in 2006 i was like wow.. this is revolutionary.. 2.5 years later and u know they shot themselves in the foot... they didn't moderate or police it well....
- Mark L
from twhirl
Why would that happen? SL is increasingly used by American politicians for campaigning and gaining new followers. Why would SL loose traffic almost right before elections?
- Hayk H.
I'd also like to see Disqus comments to be treated as comments, which by implementing Louis suggestion in point 2, will make more sense i guess. Comments are comments, posts are posts. In case there will be no link to which the comment is added, it could work like posting a link with the Disqus comment under. Btw, @Robert, you don't have Disqus hooked up in FF ;)
- Tibor Holoda
Excellent post Louis. You are pretty much spot on with those 10 suggestions.
- Mike Fruchter
Tibor: I don't like Disqus pulling in comments here. Often I want different communities to remain separate. I'll manually pull in comments or point out when I've made comments that FriendFeeder's should be aware of. Like I did here.
- Robert Scoble
11. add user definable font size. the new beta makes me squint :)
- h1ro
#9! I hide things liberally and it does bug me, when I click on page 2, I'm seeing page 1 all over again.
- Yolanda
Great suggestions Louis, I would also add: The Ability to Hide Specific RSS Feeds and Search All Entries by URL
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
and go-faster stripes, a background of babes in bikinis, and intermittant embedded hilarious fart noises.
- john conroy
I have to so that FF has been growing well with the current feature set. Like all areas of activity contraints can sometimes be helpful. FF needs to innovate itself, rather than copy straight from Twitter (DM's), Facebook (profiles) etc. 2,4,10 are most important. The issue here is not so much what features we want as how can FF grow into a mature platform.
- Roberto Bonini
Robert: I see your point, but i still think it would be a good thing to handle Disqus comments as comments, not as posts. User decides, if he wants them appear in his FF stream or not - like in your case.
- Tibor Holoda
Great List Louis! #2 is my favorite one.
- Peter Hoffmann
Tibor, I agree with you (Robert, when are you going to enable Disqus on your blog?). For the blog owner it's much easier to consolidate into one place if they can tie your comments straight to the FriendFeed post itself instead of an entirely new post.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
One more suggestion - tagging. I want to be able to tag individuals, both in my posts, *and* my comments if I'm talking about them or something they might be interested in.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Excellent list. My top priority though, isn't on there - (as per Shey) renaming or separating "Blog" posts, so individuals can hide your blog vs. another "blog" .. I'd also like it easier to determine which services I am/am not showing per individual. Just give me some enable/disable checkboxes on the users page. Strands did this right.
- Tim Hoeck
Great suggestions Louis. One clarification on #4 -- most people never see this "default" list because they were either invited by another user, or they import friends from email or facebook. The recommendations are then based entirely on who their other friends are, and will make a lot more sense.
- Paul Buchheit
Indeed some good suggestions. My guess is that the reason that #2 (duplicates) has not been implemented yet, is that it is very tricky to do right. If they do manage to implement it and get it right, I will be very impressed. I would not be too surprised though, since Friendfeed has some really sharp people working there.
- Robert Felty
Excellent List and some good suggestions in comments as well. I really would like to see 2,3,5,6, & 10. The share on FF bookmarklet should be more like Tumblr's. I would also like to be able to filter my feed to prevent duplicates. I would like to cross post my tumblr to my main blog and twitter but in doing so I create more noise for my FF stream. If I could filter out posts from blog or twitter that started with "XYZ" then I could cross post freely without worrying about FF noise.
- Keith - @tsudo
@Paul, thanks for the comment. I did test by signing up to just one individual, as if they had invited me, and by changing the one person I subscribed to, the recommended friends did change. That said, if you check out recommended friends in Facebook, there's the option to "X" out people you don't want and provide more. Plaxo also does this well.
- Louis Gray
Re: #1 and #8 I would like to see profile information that I can search, so I can find FF folks who are geographically near me or who are in my profession or who share a common interest with me. Great post - thanks!
- Courtney McGough
Pownce should worry about #10. FF will soon have to worry about cannibalizing its data suppliers, and what that means for ongoing openness. #! & #2 are the big ones with me, and I just don't see why FF enabled fake followers.
- LogEx
being 1st or 2nd is all that matters in that particular field.... 3rd placings and below would normally whither away
- Mark L
from twhirl
I am really getting confused. I just commented on the post. Now I see the comments here as posts. Totally agree with Tibor, messing posts together with comments, be it from Disqus or anywhere else, does not increase transparency.
- Jan Horna
#7 - want to make sure i understand that concept of "fake follow" - home feed contains all friends by default & you can then add them to a list/grouping to subdivide them for easier readability - to remove them from the home feed you have to actually de-select them when you add them to a list and then never go to that list again - is that what "fake follow" is - if so, way to much work for no return and only lame*ss self absorbed status mongers will be doing it - imho of course :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
#5 - My thought would be to make an invitation-only private room. Wouldn't this solve the partial-distribution problem?
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell, it could, and some do, but that's a room, and not a feed. Unless the room data permeates the feed, it could get missed.
- Louis Gray
I like your list. One other feature I'd like to see is to filter by service in whatever view I am in.
- Jeff P. Henderson
The absolute killer feature for me would be, if FF will recognize languages of the posts, or at least to differentiate between english vs. non-english and allow filtering. Would that even be possible or did my brain just farted? :)
- Tibor Holoda
(sorry for cross posting) Firstly, I'd like to add to Louis' list the capability to search rooms and then to search inside rooms. Secondly, I must confess that support for a basic profile would be useful. But as always I'd encourage the reuse of data (so importing it from whatever source the user decides). DMs might be usefull, but I haven't felt the need for them so far.
- Alex Popescu
I usually don't like to speak about things that are not ready, but this post was catchy. I currently have a prototype that deals with de-duping the resource links. I haven't looked into de-duping pure messages, but my gut feeling is that this might be even easier. I hope to find the time to deploy this app sometime soon.
- Alex Popescu
About private messaging: at first I thought this was a silly idea for ff, until I realized that the private messages could just show up where ff items normally show up, e.g. private comments.
- j1m
can i just pop in here? it's one thing to have us un(der)informed masses gabbing about breaking news, but when people post breaking news, there's always that huge gap of space while others wait for verification. if there were credentialed people on seesmic verifying news, that lapse when things are urgent won't happen.
- Captain Bubbles
Gregory and Faboo Mama, thanks, interesting, could you also tell me how you would see it. Read: what would you do if you were in my shoes to make it happen?
- Loic Le Meur
whether you hire staff or just try to get users credentialed, that's up to you. but across all subject matter, it would be nice to have an "authority" on there. so say for politics, you should have tried to credentialed some people for the DNC and RNC conventions. real time conversations with delegates, politicians and all that stuff. locally, i use seesmic to get a take on angelenos state of mind. i am going to interview local politicians via seesmic that sort of stuff.
- Captain Bubbles
but anything your 'citizen journalists' create can be edited in your office and posted like seesmix or newspop. imo, creating this under newspop would give you a lot more content from places that rachael can't get to.
- Captain Bubbles
Agree with Faboo Mama. kind of a Mahalo-like news emission. Also, if there would be a way for users to specify keywords like "business," "politics" etc which would become topics of those news emissions.. like watch-words when they pop-up in some news or media outlet, they are somehow vblogged by volunteer Seesmic users or dedicated stuff and put on Seesmic.
- Hayk H.
Loic talk to David C of SPot.us he heads up a crowd sourcing journalist effort
- Fred Grott
Hi Loic, does moving from Paris to SF really help in your web venture in your opinion? .. just curious..
- Mark L
from twhirl
sounds a bit controlled. I don't like this newsroom idea even though I know it will make you a lot of money Loic. It has too much pretension towards interactivity when the reality is television on demand. On a theoretical playing field this is the lowest common denominator... but then again so in porn. Have fun kids!
- Noah David Simon
Faboo and Hayk interesting, would you pay them or just promote them? I don't have an investment budget for that... This business model has been tried by many and failed up to now. Mahalo is a good example (not failed) where everybody is just doing it for fun I guess.
- Loic Le Meur
Why not partner with journalism schools? Also second the motion to talk to digitaldave@twitter (David Cohn)
- Howard Rheingold
Mark, yes, will write a blog post about this soon
- Loic Le Meur
Loic also check out Current.TV - they have user-generated news shows too. An Al Gore company. I can introduce you to the CEO and COO if you are interested
- Chris Saad
I mean that Micro interactions with brands are very powerful tools for marketers to engage with users. Not only News and press release can do but also seesmic release can do.
- Ejang
that's the beauty of it, there's so many people online willing to whore themselves out for a logo behind them, they'll do it for free as long as they get promoted, credentialed and have access to contacts. As Chris said, look at CurrentTV. There's a lot of good content there being generated by users. Granted a lot of those users are film school students, rich kids, or people with gov't backing, but for the most part, the content is good. There's just nothing really "current", nor is there conversation.
- Captain Bubbles
thank you so much all, I am digesting all your comments please keep them coming!
- Loic Le Meur
i am working on a news information sharing idea and have a site WOT News being finalised, a citizen journalism site so to speak. Would love to have a chat sometime...if you are interested.
- Don
I think you & Pitch Engine could find a way to revolutionize social releases.I was thinking the other day,you'd be a great fit!
- lonnie b hodge
good meme here, investigative journalism is in crisis due to budget crunches
- ishak
from twhirl
Don, would love it. lonnie, will definitely talk to pitch engine
- Loic Le Meur
Loic, do you think about adding a Skype-like calling feat to Seesmic: calling real time/ video conferencing? and surely someone must have mentionned the topical videos. Not only crowd sourcing journalism volunteers - BE sure there are many who would willingly do that off their work and time. Topical videos like social media issues, leadership, how to start a company, etc. IMO there is a HUGE cash-in possibility. Say a video of 5mins feating advice from some VC (?) for 99cents or smth like that?
- Hayk H.
Hayk thank you very very interesting
- Loic Le Meur
me too - i'm starting to like the new format a lot - more people are posting content, more people are commenting, and the filtering allows me to digest more information from friends than i could in the past - it's getting more and more interesting jumping over there during the day
- Kevin
Same here. Allowing comments on the Status updates is the catalyst for me.
- Mike Doeff
Facebook is the true social network...it looks clean, works seamlessly and more people are joining in. It's my hub.
- Miguel Albano
Using it, well no but certainly sharing more to it. I have been adding any photographers I can find on FB but that's it atm
- Kol Tregaskes
my 2 aunts who are like 60+ years old are on FB. I just closed my account after finding out.
- Mark L
from twhirl
Yes. Seems to be more actual communication, less game-playing and showing off.
- Timothy B. Taylor
I've never stopped, love FB. Have definitely noticed a downturn in the annoying apps spam though which I appreciate.
- Kate
Nope. Not into limiting myself to intranets. I really don't get it.!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Nope...I was huge into playing a lot of the racing games for six months, but got bored with that, so now I'm using Facebook rarely. Doing a lot more friendfeed.
- Alex Scoble
Nope. The death of Scrabulous has confused my less techie relatives, who dislike the Scrabble alternative, so games have dried up.
- Louis Gray
mainly use its as an 'outpost' (great term of Chris Brogan); as a content aggregator. Indeed, the new user interface is much more agreable!
- Jeroen De Miranda
After a long lull, I am suddenly getting a hell of alot of emails from FB requests and notifications, forcing me to use it more. More than autofeeding is more.
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Less for me though. I'm just there to play games with friends.
- Carolyn Chan
we can check out at FB Steve, but tell us how in a blog post - we're still following you. ;)
- Kevin OKeefe
Yes, the new design makes it much easier - you should give it a try if you haven't already. The filtering is much better than FriendFeed's, but it's more about people and not news
- Jesse Stay
I just joined this week. Late to that arena. Turns out that a lot more of the folks that I have made friends with in my travels over the past 18yrs can be found there.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Love the new design. Always been a big user of it though. It's my main social portal.
- Rob Record
yes, although I am resisting, I'm finding myself checking it again
- Ivan Pope
from twhirl
I got dragged in to play scrabble.. thats the only reason that I am there
- Peter Dawson
My facebook use has become somewhat sporadic. I prefer Friendfeed for now.
- Mattb4rd
agreed, except my 1400 facebook inmails late and their inmails management that still sux so bad don t you think Steve?
- Loic Le Meur
I just realized that a bunch of my friends used it so I am trying to friend them
- Tyler (Chacha)
I am using it less than ever since becoming a friendfeed fanatic. I might play a game or two on there once in awhile, but I can't get any real networking done there.
- Laura Norvig
Well it's great to see some support for the site...it's been nothing but negative talk for a while now, which frankly I don't understand.
- Zee.
FB is great for storing stuff and for keeping in touch with friends who only use facebook, as well as with friends who network over a wider range of platforms. The games are a distraction. I have found a surprising, diverse number of old and new friends are using facebook.
- Chris Loft
Yeah ever since I joined Twitter and Friend Feed I haven't really been on facebook.
- Sheraz Mahmood
from twhirl
I'm finding the same thing ... seems my real-world friends have woken up to and have pulled me back it. It's great to actually connect with people there - something I honestly was not doing at all for a very long time.
- Jonathan Greene
The texts won't be out until the morning.
- ::Kristen::
Just thinking how powerful (in a negative way) Twitter could be in propagating a rumor. What if several people just started saying that "CNN Confirms Biden" and "Yahoo Confirms Biden" and that quickly spun out of control (in like 60 seconds) and suddenly the MSM is confirming. In other-words, who is confirming it? CNN & Yahoo? Everyone on Twitter is saying who confirmed it, but no one has said that the Obama's campaign confirmed it.
- Andrew Baron
Andrew: citing the source helps in promoting something from rumor to news. "an anonymous source inside the democratic committee" gives you the right perspective on the dimension of the thing (and advises to take it with a huge grain of salt until further confirmation). Not at all a perfect mechanism, but it has some kind of safeties.
- dario
Just got the official word from Obama himself via supporters emal list 8min ago. Biden confirmed by Obama.
- Andrew Baron
Andrew - did you miss the spread of mis-information across socnets last night with the Adobe Yahoo meme. Amazing how easy it is to game socnets. Scary stuff actually.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I would probably guess Biden is his wisest choice next to not running at all. Maybe Biden can talk some sense into him. When butterflies are tired of gossip, they come on over to the Republican party.
- Noah David Simon
Brian, what's the Adobe Yahoo meme about?
- Mark L
from twhirl
@Brian, yea: What was the Adobe Yahoo meme? I noticed a tweet from @chrispirillo http://twitter.com/chrispi... but didnt see anything else. How did the rumor start? What's the backstory?
- Andrew Baron
So wait...did a lot of people just not get that text message? Why aren't more people up at arms if that's the case..oh it's Obama. I just feel if that shoe was on the other foot, I'd be reading endless threads about what a big failure that idea was.
- Mike Lewis
It was a social experiment started at the #Gnomedex party on Friday night to see how quickly mis-information can be spread across socnets. It took less than 24 hrs to see it blasted out on Twitter and then picked up by Valleywag. Twitter search for Yahoo Adobe should tell the backstory.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Still don't have my Obama-Biden text message.
- Mike Reynolds
@Mike, me too. Still didn't get it. I did get an email though from the campaign, but no text message. They should of said they would send out a DM and left it up to Twitter to manage the distribution. . . personally Im not disappointed really, I just think its interesting.
- Andrew Baron
OK ... who started this again???. Hey Ryan ... in this funding marketplace, 50 billion is possible. (Anything is ppossible?!) Ugh ... Remember AOL - Time-Warner :) Honestly, even though I think the rumor was already sqooshed, it might make a pretty good marriage. The more I think about it, the more I'd like to see Yahoo live on it's own. Sorry, no Silverlight here. You need the Flash Player ....
- Charlie Anzman
An Apple, Adobe, Yahoo merger would be the best merger. Just as unlikely as an Adobe Yahoo merger.
- Loren Heiny
I'm not that tired of it, but growth has definitely slowed in FriendFeed. Keep in mind, I love noise, but everyone I show it to pushes back. My wife says "I don't get it." That's because FriendFeed hasn't improved its choices for how things get delivered to you. It hasn't given us any new noise filtering mechanisms. I hear they are working on rebuilding the back end, so I'll be patient, but in the meantime FriendFeed's growth has stalled and it won't improve until they give us some real improvements.
- Robert Scoble
I still think it's the future. I visit several times most days just to see what's hot. It's been said before, but the head-and-shoulders advantage over other services is the conversation aggregation. The lack of filtering is a big downside - I guess rooms were supposed to be the answer, but no one really uses them. I want to subscribe to 50+ people without being lost in the sea of noise...
- David Young
well if they're fading, FriendFeed should start seeking solid ways to make money.. but how?
- Mark L
from twhirl
Mark: no, they shouldn't care about monetization yet. These are mostly Google Guys, remember? Google didn't have real monetization until five years after they started. FriendFeed has to get better first. Big things are expected of this dream team.
- Robert Scoble
I would say neither, from my perspective FF seems to be moving along w/ the same momentum as when I joined.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
No way. Surley trhe iphone can background apps. Is it not just OSX. If it can't then that is a real missing fundamental.
- John Cooper
Iphone = cool factor... S60 = feature rich... take your pick John...
- Mark L
from twhirl
My impression is that it CAN background apps but Apple has prevented it for "battery life" reasons. Given that the battery life is already horrible i woudlnt be surprised but I doubt that is the real reason.
- Soulhuntre
@MarkL, not really. I had an N91 and N95 before I switched to the iphone. The way I would put it is iPhone = extremely usable features though limited. S60: Features galore very few actually usable. Usable as in usability.
- Kamath (नमः)
S60 is an INCREDIBLE mobile OS. Imagine it on a PC....Wow!
- Anthony Farrior
The lack of background apps on the iphone does sound ridiculous though
- Kamath (नमः)
On my Dell D630 = PSpad, Micosoft SQL Server Management Studio, Outlook, Firefox, Designer (Eclipse tool), Developer (Java IDE), Internet Explorer, Remote Desktop Connection, VMware Workstation.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Firefox (2 windows), SQL Server Management Studio, VMWare, IE7, Outlook (four windows), Microsoft Office Communicator (one IM), and a cmd.exe window running an MSBuild process. Inside the VMWare instance is SQL Server Management Studio, and an explorer window pointing to a network share. (A few minutes ago, I also had several Visual Studio windows open; but I've since closed them)
- James (@willia4)
Firefox, msql query browser, vnc, and your email
- Josh Haley
Yeah, there should be laws against Lotus Notes...
- Jason Carreira
JERRY!!!! I'm not the only Lotus reject freak on FF!!!!! Oh, and I'm not even going to list what tabs I have open cause I'm pretty sure my fingers would fall off.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Tad I am sorry too.... you have no idea =(
- jerry
firefox, twhirl, prism (friendfeed), xnview, windows live writer, outlook
- Trent Olson
outlook, FF3, Spark, iTunes, Twhirl, SnagIt Excel
- Morgan
mail iCal adium twirl safari itunes photshop illustrator quicktime terminal calculator Cuemix FX lithium console
- stretta
from twhirl
on i-mac: photoshop, adium, firefox, in-design, illustrator, i-tunes and mail
- orionstarr
itunes,firefox,mysql,twhirl,outlook,adium,last.fm,cyberduck,evernote,terminal
- eric mortensen
maniac mansion, doomi, twhirl & snackr
- Mark L
from twhirl
mail, firefox (15 tabs with one of them pandora), itunes, adium (with 6 chats), ical, skype, textedit, terminal (10 windows), cyberduck
- Stepan Mazurov
Fireworks, Dreamweaver, Firefox, Opera, Safari, Outlook, Windows Explorer.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
illustrator, things, pyro, twillustrator, things, pyro, twhirl, spark, firefox, safari, last.fm, textmate, adiumhirl, spark, firefox, safari, last.fm, textmate, adium, vmware fusion, itunes
- Paulo Elias
from twhirl
a pen, some toothpicks, glass of water, screwdriver set, yesterday's mail, misc music equipment, and some exercise bands
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I'm with Jason, which desktop? On my MacBok Pro I have Alert Thingy, Adium, Fluid single-site brower for various Google apps, one Firefox 3 profile with general browsing and Friendfeed stuff. On that same MBP, Safari 3, Firefox 3 (using a different profile), Opera 9 browsers open to my web app under development for a client, Aptana Studio with the site code. On a Windows clone tower, I...
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- Dread Pirate PJ
from Alert Thingy
3 different windows explorers, Adobe Illustrator CS3, Photoshop CS3, Dreamweaver CS3, Digsby, Outlook, 2 Firefox windows (each with about 8 tabs), Windows Media Player and that's it for now :)
- Lindsey is Fierce!
on pc i have digsby, firefox, dropbox, activesync. on windows mobile i have email, pictures, and shozu
- Tyler Gillies
text mode emacs, gtk emacs, conkeror, flock, firefox, quodlibet, grubng, rtorrent, several nautilus windows, several terminals, fbreader. most of my attention has gone today in the text mode emacs
- jussi haverinen
Yuvi don't do that - they're more expensive. Just by a 2nd gen and jailbreak it yourself.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
@Jesse Stay - no, not where I live (India). iPhone 3G, which ironically has no 3G support, costs 32k, while iPhone v1 costs 22k.
- Yuvi
Yuvi ah - that would explain why I was able to sell my iPhone v1 for so much on Ebay ;) v1 isn't much different than v2 so you'll be fine.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
I never waited in line for any technology - or anything else - except for tickets to rock concerts when I was 16. So, I just got my iPhone as well. I like it as much as I dislike being under contract to ATT (or any carrier). Now it's time to get imaginative: what does it mean to have a mobile Internet? I think its much more than web pages on your phone and simple location detection.
- Dean Terry