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Withings Connected Body Scale remembers what you'd rather forget - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
This might actually get me motivated. Everything needs a little geeking up!
- TheSleepyGeek
Firefox 4.0: Early Screenshots Released - http://mashable.com/2009...
Hmmm. I do believe that I like the look of this one!
- TheSleepyGeek
WordPress Switches to Hourly Pinging, Tells No One - http://www.blogherald.com/2009...
Mark Davidson liked this
hmmmmm. not wise
- sofiagk
Man, I saw this yesterday and it's starting to get to me. At first I thought little of it but the delay in RSS posting can have an effect even on my little blog. I can't imagine how the sites that use Wordpress with multiple authors are dealing with it.
- TheSleepyGeek
First 10 People Get Free WebNotes Accounts » The Sleepy Geek - http://www.thesleepygeek.com/2009...
"Well presto - I have already highlighted a couple of things I want to go back and look at when I have time to concentrate on them… simply awesome!"
- TheSleepyGeek
from Bookmarklet
SkyDeck - cool cell phone service http://m.kyte.tv/ch...
Daniel Rowley, Sarah Perez, Tyson Key and 7 other people liked this
Scoble - you going to DLD?
- Keith Teare
from IM
Interesting. I tried it a few months ago when Skydeck was going to be a social network for cell phone records. This is quite a change.
- John Craft
SkyDeck is pretty cool but switching providers seemed to be impossible: had to delete my old account and create a new one.
- Mark Trapp
Gave it a shot but they have closed this out to the damn Canucks. Or did Canadian providers keep them out. That sounds more likely.
- TheSleepyGeek
Love the service.
- Russellreno
Keith: nope. Too many days away from my baby.
- Robert Scoble
@brianjking I like TweetDeck because it dominates my screen. Hey, watch http://www.kyte.tv/channel... and will show you why.
Mark Warren, Robert Couture, TheSleepyGeek and Jannifer @wordsforliving liked this
Having a look... thinking about Kyte actually now that I am watching this :)
- TheSleepyGeek
I *like* Windows 7, but Microsoft still needs to address legacy font issues in the shell - cleaning up Basic and Classic modes, too. Sloppy.
Kol Tregaskes, Daniel Rowley, mjc and 2 other people liked this
I agree. The interface is much improved but they seem to have fixed the complex blunders from Vista. Now they need to work on the simple things they changed, some that never should have.
- TheSleepyGeek
Classic mode is beyond ugly. I couldn't believe it. Ya think they're trying to get us move on? :)
- Bwana ☠
Classic mode IS ugly on purpose.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Eric, Bwana - remember, some of us run Windows in Classic mode because we can't use Aero in a VM. *sigh* My Vista font fix works quite well in Windows 7, happily. http://chris.pirillo.com/fix-win...
- l0ckergn0me
I prefer to use Classic even without a VM. I can't believe they butchered it. I always revert to classic on my windows installations
- Bwana ☠
Playing around on Windows 7 tonight. So far reminds me alot of Vista, with some I think visual changes that give a hint of Mac influence. Still to early, to tell, but no complaints yet.
TheSleepyGeek liked this
I have played around a bit with it. Looks a little cleaner and their UI changes are for the better. I think they need to do more however.
- TheSleepyGeek
Sitting in the car in my jammies waiting for Henry to get his braces adjusted. Thank goodness for Audible. And tinted glass.
Sylvain Nadeau, David, JA Castillo and 6 other people liked this
make sure not to snooze off Racoon eyes can be hideous.
- Stephen Lecheler
from IM
How much do braces cost these days? My 14 yr old skateboarder needs them too.
- Brad Stolba
Amen to both--Audible and the Tinted Windows
- Jim Adams
I really miss Tech TV Leo.
- Edward Kimble
Ahhh what we do for our kids. The iPod is magic, couple that with podcasts (Twit :) ), Audible and music and life can be less tedious.
- TheSleepyGeek
Well we finally got our Christmas cards designed. Now to get them printed and mailed before Easter
Kevin, Keith, randulo and 11 other people liked this
haha. sounds like where i'm at. :)
- Brian Hernandez
You can start a whole new trend. Easter cards.
- Martha
A little early this year, eh?
- Glen Mistletoe
I did not know the US Postal service takes 8 months to deliver mail ;).
- Kenneth Chu
Hehe... have the same issue here in Canada. Had an error on an address and we got it back 2 months later :P
- TheSleepyGeek
The NEW Blackberry Bold 9000 - This Is The Start Of My Crackberry Addiction! » The Sleepy Geek - http://www.thesleepygeek.com/2009...
"To be honest the only 2 real contenders for me were the Bold and the iPhone. I am really into Apple products these days for the ‘it just works’ factor and the integrated feel, but the iPhone is a touch screen."
- TheSleepyGeek
from Bookmarklet
palm part 3 http://m.kyte.tv/ch...
Mo Kargas, Chris Johnson, Tyson Key and 3 other people liked this
"If you know CMS, HTML, XML, you can design for this platform." - OK, did NOT see that coming.
- John Craft
"removable battery" . . . "cheesy virtual keyboard" . . . heh.
- John Craft
Man, this is just embarrassing for Palm. The Pre is such a BLATANT iPhone clone. Even the icons look the same. Kind of sad, really. It seems there's no more creativity at Palm...
- Josh Bancroft
See also http://blog.palm.com/ for liveblogging (and yes, we see it Robert - thanks).
- John Craft
Have we really gotten to the point where anything that's hand-sized with a full screen and any kind of icons is instantly dubbed an 'iPhone ripoff'? Sigh.
- Ken Sheppardson
It feels like they are trying to catch up but I need to be wowed to consider them again. They need to innovate!
- TheSleepyGeek
Josh, I disagree when you say embarrassing. I think this looks pretty damn good
- Ryan
Robert - Live video streaming of the announcement is not permitted.
- Palm_Inc
Palm made the same mistake Apple did with their first iPhone. No 3G.
- Jared Mehle
No 3G? GDGT says EVDO Rev. A
- Tristan McCann
Did palm tell engadget and gdgt.com to shut down their liveblog as well?
- Ken Sheppardson
Live blogging via text or photos is permitted, but live video streaming is not permitted
- Palm_Inc
Palm_inc: Can we know why that is?
- TheSleepyGeek
Palm_inc: with all due respect, that makes no sense these days. You should've streamed this yourselves. Very 2007ish.
- Ken Sheppardson
Palm_inc: Why on earth not? Don't you want the free advertising?
- Deborah Fitchett
Watch the entire Palm Pre Announcement at http://twurl.nl/63dl1t
- Palm_Inc
Palm_Inc: Put it up in something people actually use. Quicktime is dead.
- Chris Johnson
I am starting to think friendfeed is a scoble groupie hangout. No ofence to anyone, but it seems to be that way at the moment, everything he post gets dowzens of replies, drowns out anything else others share, and stauff I ask as well as others gets ignored!
TheHenry, Kol Tregaskes, Dimitar Vesselinov and 35 other people liked this
I asked a simple question..hours ago,. reshared it a few times... NOT ONE reply. nice.
- Rob Sellen :o)
I hide some of his stuff after awhile, but it is true that it buries other just for others. Then again, a lot of stuff does that. Like the "reading goals" and other stuff
- Tyler (Chacha)
All he does is promote anything that benefits him, pimp some tech stuff...yet people fawn over it.... its .... sad.
- Rob Sellen :o)
You have to realize, Scoble has an estimated 22,000 subscribers http://ffholic.com/UserSub..., including many of the most active FFers. His network is exponentially bigger than yours so he gets more interactions.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I agree that his stuff gets a lot of comments, but that happens when you have as many followers as he does. I disagree on the fact that it buries everything else. I see everyone elses stuff much more then I see his.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I know and realise that....but.... its really out of hand. he is not THAT interesting really.... lol
- Rob Sellen :o)
The hide button is your friend.
- Derrick
but what do you hide??? lol... it seems he is connected with every post here.....
- Rob Sellen :o)
+1 Derrick
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Don't hate the player man. Popular stuff is popular, what'cha gonna do?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Mathew... I know what you mean, as I have said elsewhere on here its not HIM, it the fact everyone post sometjhing on his things... so it looks scoble-busy if ya like... ;o) I got nothing against him or anyone following him.. just gets.... I dont know, frustrating.
- Rob Sellen :o)
I would have answered your question if I knew the answer, Rob. It may be that you just don't have knowledgeable people among your subscribers. I know I've asked stuff that's fallen on dead ears and I've also asked things that got a lot of responses... it varies by time of day and who happens to be browsing.
- Lindsay
Hey we all get ignored. Even my kids ignore me; it's something we have to learn to live with. We are just insignificant amoeba in the FriendFeed pool of life. Keep your chin up. Robert who? Oh Scoble. If you ask a question and don't get a reply after a few hours it might be time to ask it again. A few hours is a long time on FriendFeed. Questions about FriendFeed are more likely to be answered than questsions about your operating system or Java updates.
- Chris Loft
Anyone want to go on a Rob Sellen Liking Spree(SM), to boost morale? ;)
- Tyson Key
lindsay... I see your point....
- Rob Sellen :o)
patience, more subscriptions, and more interaction (you comment more) then it will come. There are some good tips on episode 1 of the FFundercats podcast http://FFundercats.com
- Josh Haley
I'm aware we all get ignored.... I did ask again after a few hours...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Sometimes I get responses on my posts in here, mostly I don't. I don't care. I feel I've done right with the world, if I share what I find interesting. If you do too, that's great. If not, either I'm a sorry-ass or you're missing out. I'm not going to dwell on which is the right option. Life's too short.
- Ian May
You can block Scobles FOAF's, Scoble himself or parts of Scobles aggregation, or put him in a list outside of the Home Feed.
- Mo Kargas
perhap you're subscribed the wrong or not enough people. perhaps you need to group the people you follow in a manner which better suits you
- Cee Bee
podcast arent no good to me...deaf, sorry about that. :o( But patience? I have that lol.. its just asking a question what you want an answer to is not something you want an answer to in weeks... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Now you have attention!
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
As for your Java question. Yes, it is safe to remove the additional versions of it that you've got installed.
- Tyson Key
See look at this thread for a perfectly good example..... you all answered ths..why? is it because I mentoned ffeed? or scoble?
- Rob Sellen :o)
How about using FriendFeed better Rob... A quick look back through your stream shows a lot of posting with no images or comment giving a summary of the article or blog post. Scoble knows how to post stuff with context, A single headline ain't gonna get me clicking...
- Johnny Worthington
ah... thanks.. so the old updates I can delete.... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Well.. i have been here what two weeks... gis a chance to learn how to use it better and I will.. :o) you answered this didnt you Johnny? why?
- Rob Sellen :o)
like johnny mentioned -- photos and descriptions of your posts help bring people into whatever topic or discussion you're trying to make. commenting on others' posts also helps people become familiar with you and take interest in what you might have to post in return. likewise, if you've been here only two weeks, there isn't any reason why you shouldn't be more patient with getting the hang of things as well
- Cee Bee
Well to be frank, cause you are bitching about someone who spends a lot of time and money going out and covering things. Stuff he finds IS interesting and his word carries weight. As you said, you have only been here 2 weeks and you decide to have a name-drop bitch post rather than observing and learning the techniques of making things popular. I mean no mallace by this but don't hate on Scoble just cause you ain't getting any play. We all went through it :)
- Johnny Worthington
I understand that, thanks.. I guess you cant have pics on everything tho...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Johnny... you miss it mate... if you read it i already said, and I also said in the past on here i dont have any problem with him or anyone.. I mentioned him because it IS related to him... how is that bitching? its me making an honest point....
- Rob Sellen :o)
Robert Scoble has been blogging forever and has a very well known blog / Twitter. If he didn't get the responses he got, it wouldn't still be around. Some of the assumptions and judgments you've made about him up on top are incorrect, Rob. :(
- Mona Nomura
also... his spent time here...not money... he CHOSE to spend all that tme here... thats sommat arrignton was saying about him.... now thats got bugger all to do with me... he gets paid by the seagate and fastcompany.. he pimps them here.. so, money...just time.
- Rob Sellen :o)
him spending money... just time... thats up to him, he aint doing it for nothing!
- Rob Sellen :o)
mona... what did I say wrong? Ill correct and apologise... :o/
- Rob Sellen :o)
"All he does is promote anything that benefits him, pimp some tech stuff...yet people fawn over it.... its .... sad. - Rob Sellen" <--- :( Robert is a tech enthusiast, just like me. i don't get paid by Palm, but almost all of my Tweets were about Pre. Why? Because it's CES and they had a keynote... :\
- Mona Nomura
well he does..... am I lying? he promtes seatgate, and fastcompany... and he gets paid by them... so...where is that wrong?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob... you do know what Robert Scoble does for a living don't you? He spends the money of his company traveling and finding things. And the second you mentioned his name and called it a Scoble groupie hangout, that's when it became a bitch post. You could have done it without the name, but then you wouldn't have gotten so much attention... Funny that, isn't it?
- Johnny Worthington
I mentioned that "scoble groupie" as thats what i meant... it looked that way, what else was i to call it?? how else to make the point? NO its not funny.. that IS parly why I said it... and as I said earleir in this thread.... was it HAT that got you to answer this? or that i mentioned ffeed?
- Rob Sellen :o)
r u drunk?
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
dont drink.
- Rob Sellen :o)
why would you even ask if I was drunk? what would make you think I was? or is that a stupid question you just ask?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Why don't you just block him if his content bothers you so much? And he doesn't just promote "anything that benefits him, pimp some tech stuff...yet people fawn over it..." What's wrong with being excited about technology? I hardly see his seatgate and FastCompany stuff come through - and if they do, I just ignore it since I'm not interested. But his CES coverage has been awesome. He streamed Palm's Keynote and shared pictures of gadgets BEFORE it hit the major blogs. What's wrong with that?
- Mona Nomura
Well, you could have implied that by saying 'certain personalities' or phrasing it better. I got back to my original point, if you are not getting the experience out of FriendFeed that you want, learn to use the tools better. Bitching about it gets you this type of reply.
- Johnny Worthington
Nothing "wronmg" with it mona.... i dont want to block his stuff.... does noone yet understand i am not JUST talking about what he post... its the fact everyone else also post on almost everything he post...which makes it seem frustrating... thng is, people are seemingly missing that pont I am trying to make.
- Rob Sellen :o)
"if you are not getting the experience out of FriendFeed that you want, learn to use the tools better." <-- Well said, Johnny. I don't understand people who continue to complain about the content they're seeing. There are several ways to change what you see in your feed. Do it and stop whining.
- Rochelle
I would do it... IF you read earlier i ask... what would i "hide"??
- Rob Sellen :o)
when I read your post, you misspelled words and used odd phrasing. My first, arguably poor, thought you were on a drunken rant. But, after further reflection, I realized that you could just be from another country and have poor English skills. After all, the Internet isn't American only and I should have thought before I typed. You, my friend, should take a lesson from my mistake....
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- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
See, now you're getting a lot of response. Everyone must have been busy yesterday. Today they've got nothing to do. Or else twitter must be down with a technical problem or something. You should subscribe to all of these people's feeds and your stream will be the richer for it. Are you sure you've not been drinking? What drugs are you on? Lighten up - this is fun and we will all enjoy ourselves . . . or else
- Chris Loft
Rob, sometimes you have to find something that interests people. I asked for people to share their thoughts about highrise and batchbook earlier today and got NO responses. I shared a picture of boobies and got a LOT of responses. What I have learned? People don't care anything about highrise or batchbook. They do, however, care a lot about boobies.
- Jason Shultz
like = block when I hit laptop (if you have to say no offense it means you know it will be offensive)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Hide the bits you don't want to see. Is this going to be a 'best of the day'?
- WorldofHiglet
Jason - get real... I am English...so poor English doesn't really cut it does it? Are you one of those who act like grammar police? I ask, because I dont feel iit is so important to be so "grammatically right" on places like this... a blog, yes, here and twitter? Not really. - to your other point.. yes I am subbed to him, as with many others... gonna taste more from the buffet..thanks. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I think Jason was just trying to make a point...
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Just to note, here.. I was afraid to add Robert, because I was worried I'd get lost in too much noise. I was quite content with him as a friend of a friend and i was still able to be involved and see what was going on.. I added him, last week, and I haven't really noticed much difference. If I don't reply or push (LIKE) your content, I either didn't see it or I don't have anything to add of value (like an answer to a question.) Time will help you.. if its too techie, you need to follow differently.
- Heidi Jeffers Thibodeau
Chris - I doubt thats it at all.. I would more likely believe its cos of two things.. 1, mentioned scoble.. 2 mentioned ffeed. ;o) Bu yeah I do sub to these people too... :o) FFeed may not be scoble.. but he sure seems pretty much in the centre of it. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob: Either HIDE everything from Scoble (that will stop the top level articles) or BLOCK him (that will block everything from him but you will still be able to see articles that he has commented on, although there would be a gap). Sorry to get so down on you but Scoble works damn hard, and he has a young family, and we should cut him some slack sometimes.
- Johnny Worthington
It's important to build your own network, Rob. Do you have at least one other friendfeeder interested in the same things as you in an IM client somewhere? If so, send them links to articles they would find interesting and vice versa...even if they don't comment it will at least get you one like that will help you float on the top page longer than a microsecond.
- Alex Scoble
I know he is... so am I. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob, email me if you want to talk about any of this further. :)
- Heidi Jeffers Thibodeau
johnny.. cut him slack? I have a family too... I work hard... but.... thats not an excuse... i dont want to BLOCK him thats the whole bloody point.... its irrelvant IF I block or hide him... so many others I sub to are friends of his.. so... on that note I still see alot of what he comments on. I dont want to ignore him.... see what i am saying?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Posts like this always make me scratch my head. I don't subscribe to him, barely know who he is, and only see the occasional post through FOAF.
- Alix Whitmire
Storming into FF and demanding answers is not the way to enter the community. Or any.. Have some patience and try to fit in to get a feel of how things works. It's like you're going to Mexico and demanding sushi when you don't even speak Spanish.
- Rodfather
I suppose Robert is prolific, but I'm subscribed to like 400 people (most of whom are pretty active) so his posts don't overwhelm me. Maybe that's the key...
- Lindsay
rodfather... "storming into here and demading answers"??? wtf? yeah rght. :o/ I never ONCE demended anything fromn ffeed... get real and read properly... i ASKED a questuon... then mentioned i was shocked to not see ANY response...that ok with you RODFATHER?
- Rob Sellen :o)
I would suggest taking lessons from Kol Tregaskes. He knows how to ask questions without looking like a dick.
- Rodfather
Ok rod.... looking like a dick? so, you got a mirror there? ;o) ya wanna take own advice. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'm really am trying to understand Rob ... OK... So it's not that you dislike the posts Scoble does or the comments he makes, it's just he is so active that there is no escaping him and you feel like his stuff gets higher play than other people?
- Johnny Worthington
I'm following 73 people and I think I see Tina more often then Scoble. It helps that she's prettier. :)
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Hi Rob =) I think the best answer to your question is one you've given yourself: you've only been here 2 weeks. My first month on FF was miserable, I didn't get any interaction at all on the stuff I brought in. After a while I trimmed what I was bringing in and just decided to use the feed as a way to waste some time when work was slow. It was when I started paying attention to other...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Like I've always said, I think that it's the "popularity vs. personal-interests" fight again and again, and again... social media needs ways (and standards already exist actually) to improve users attention and interactions. Almost every social site I've been on uses "popularity" as a parameter for "value", what will be really interesting is looking at the user's -every user- personal interests. I Hope to bring something new and different very very soon :)
- directeur
Oh, and Shey, you're right. I was trying to make a point. I failed at that, too.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Rob, if it makes you feel better, I joined FF back in May to strictly use it as a lifestreaming service. I was surprised when I started getting subscribers. I think just down to contributing to conversations and being patient. FWIW, I'm not all that well known, either. :)
- Helen Sventitsky
Awesome answer and advice thanks tina.... ;o) you "get it".. The thing is if I never asked this, or started this "debate" if you wanna call it that, i would not have had these answers to thnk about... :o) THANKS.
- Rob Sellen :o)
Just change your last name to Scoble, Rob...it worked for me.
- Alex Scoble
directeur.... good point... I agree, its this poularity thing that partly bothers me... I mean.... its useless anyway to a point. But great point there. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
got ya point jason.. just didnt agree, or think it was a good point. anyway are you drunk?
- Rob Sellen :o)
I am surprised now... to be honest people have subscribed to me just because I posted this...:o/ not complaining tho ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
But then there would be TWO robert scobles!!! too many alex. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Alex I always thought you were Robert's little brother or something.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Jason, you're a flatterer my friend. I like ;-) Rob, I think this ties in to your earlier question about whether FF is for geeks. Today (this week, really) have been gadget geek week because of some conventions. There are lots of gadget geeks on FF so posts from those conventions, especially those about new gadgets, are ALWAYS going to get attention. Me, I'm not as much of a gadget geek...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I am, Jason...what's your point?
- Alex Scoble
Tina... it is partly why i asked if it was for geeks.... all this tech syuff flying about, I never really thought about the fact there is these convention things gpoing on...and often people are directly posting here, twitter etc about it from there. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Rob you missed the dark days of the political season, then. those were dark times indeed.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
@Alex Sorry, i read your post where you said you changed your name to Scoble. People need to quit confusing me on here. :(
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Yeah, that was apparently a humor attempt FAIL on my part.
- Alex Scoble
Na... polictics is all bollocks. ;o) corrupt assholes!
- Rob Sellen :o)
Wow.It is?I thought this was Purgatory?
- Terence
@Alex No, it was a taking things seriously FAIL on my part. :)
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Dude, this is the second time you have bitched about this http://friendfeed.com/e... I don't think you realize that you are getting *way* more responses on most of your posts (not just the scoble ones) than most of us get. You have 121 subscribers. I have 283. I get very little response on about 75% of my posts, and that's perfectly fine with me. It's the nature of the beast. Participate on others' posts. kwitcherbellyachin
- Laura Norvig
laura...love the kwitchabellyaching. ;o) the second time... not quite, but you could sday they were related looking at it. ;o) the poinnt till stands.. its NOT bellyaching... its just me making a point.. how else do I make it?
- Rob Sellen :o)
I think Dave Winer said something about Robert being everywhere just the other day. Robert was the first person to subscribe to me and I was honored that he did (I read about his subscribing to smart people and I'm not that smart and an introvert to boot). @Rob, you can hide 'friend of' posts by clicking on 'Hide', but then click on 'hide other...' You then choose an option. Another option - create a new list and move people there.
- Greg Guitarbuster
:o) + greg. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
so here are some practical solutions: 1) unsubscribe to him and just check his feed from time to time if you are interested. It's public so you don't need to be subscribed. 2) Take him off your home feed and isolate him in a list. The larger problem, which I understand, that you think others are not seeing your posts because they see more of him ... meh ... cultivate dedicated followers and they will check your feed from time to time.
- Laura Norvig
I would kill to have 91 responses to anything I post. Just sayin'. ;)
- Helen Sventitsky
Alex, wicked, man. Rob, in all fairness I agree with people's comments and suggestions here. Respect is something that's earned not demanded. Learn to build that up, interact with others and be patient. I'm not a tech geek myself but appreciate the variety, camaraderie and help that comes from many who have posted here including both Scobles, who are good guys.
- Sally Church
I don't know what a scoble is, i didn't know what RSSing or Twitter was till my brother in law told me (appropriately in a friendfeed room) two hours ago. So I think this officially makes me not a groupie of anything and I use FF. Hope that helps.
- Steve C
haha "what a Scoble is..." brilliant...
- Zee.
Helen...dont need to kill..... ;o) but well...I never expected all these replies, but i DID expect a few. ;o) put it that way :o) Sally... i get ya point... the thing is i knew that right at the start. ;o) Steve.... ya getting it fast.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
lol, he is the paris hilton of twitter and friendfeed. personally i do not want to be either, do you? ;)
- denise
No denise...happy being me thanks ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob: I follow everyone and will get involved in lots of things here. If you don't like it I am not on MySpace. Just kidding.
- Robert Scoble
what...I just spent all day looking for you on myspace!!!! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
sometimes it's nice when scoble is on a jet not a bus with wifi :)
- Allen Stern
OMG WHY is this thread still active? LOL CES is going on, people! ;)
- Mona Nomura
whats CES mona? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Allen: I am cutting my travel this year and more planes have wifi now.
- Robert Scoble
So where was your favourite place last year robert?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Ok, let me make a trip down to WFC tomorrow and talk to FC head :-P
- Allen Stern
thinking of Robert and Paris Hilton in the same tweet.. very scary
- David Parmet
from twhirl
David..think how fast that would ell out..... who would "leak" it tho ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob, I know what you mean. I feel your "pain" too. Question is - what to do about it.
- CreativeWisdom
At least one person sees what i meant then :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob: sorry, I didn't bother to read any of the comments. But the first time I sensed that Scoble had too much influence on my friendfeed I solved it quickly: I just un-followed him.Friendfeed is NOT a Scoble groupie hangout, specially if you take into consideration that many of us Friendfeed addicts don't follow him at all.
- Marcos Marado
Just have to take this time to note that Robert liked this thread, and that irony has brought a smile to my face this evening =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Thanks Marcos for that reply. makes sense. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Of course tina... i had a feeling he would "like" it. ;o) but then it makes sense too ;o) I thnk he knows as well as you that I'm not bashing him..far from it. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'm telling you, the hide button is your friend. Scoble himself doesn't bother me in the slightest, but his fanboy squad are worse than Kevin Smith groupies. I wish they would be THEMSELVES and stop trying to out-Scoble Robert Scoble. You can't. And you shouldn't.
- Derrick
Derrick...I agree 100%... i just need to work out how to make the hide work for me, that is, what do i hide etc. :o0 still learning and i am happy to say that. :o) I agree with your "groupie" sentimet... people are BETTER off being themselves too :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I like Robert. But in all honesty, the ff crew screwed up big in one way over the past few months- ignoring everyone but a tiny group- even when they tried to engage. FF came to feel like a big platform dedicated to 5 people
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Ed: that is bullshit. But I don't have time to explain why. Just look at http:// www.friendfeed.com/scobleizer/likes to see a ton of cool stuff here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, READ what I said! I didn't say YOU! I just twittered about how incredibly YOU engage here, 20 minutes ago! Apology accepted!
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
I don't know if it's a Scoble groupie thing as much as the average web user has no idea about this service or knows about it and stays away because of the interface. So what you're left with are intelligent people who read the wrong marketing books and do try to echo what the digerati (which does include Mr. Scoble) does; But I wouldn't single Robert out.
- Brandon Mendelson
Arrington has smelly feet.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
If I like the way someone covers material I'm naturally going to follow them
- Dave Holle II
Ed...care to expand on that a bit? ;o) robert you keeping pointing to your realtime feed does nothing... at least as far as I see. Brandon..i don't mean to single him out as aperson... but it is related to how ff seemingly moves around him. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Well, sadly it's a small community. When you have someone notable using the service within that community folks may be more likely to listen to that person over another (re: How FF moves around him, not in terms of commenting.) I don't really know though, and I think most commenting also fall into that category. Look on the bright side, this (FF) is so early in development that we should all be taking the time to build a presence on here. This way when it does break, and it will, we have a chance to build.
- Brandon Mendelson
I agree... also we can all learn from scoble, no doubt about that... never doubted it... BUT we can and should learn to be ourselves... ;o) IF that is the one thing taken from ths thread.....great!
- Rob Sellen :o)
It's nice to learn of more non-techies.
- Anne Bouey
True Anne... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob: my like feed points to all sorts of other people here on friendfeed. There isn't a single thing about me on that link. If you helped other people get exposure you will get your own set of people to talk with. Everything here is decentralized. You make your own experience here. If you are seeing too much of me stop following people who I interact with.
- Robert Scoble
Feels that way. I try to get people over to my blog but it seems hard. Even when I feel like I have a good post going, there is a million things going around about CES. I am playing a devils advocate though, I am reading all his stuff :)
- TheSleepyGeek
I completely agree. I prefer to choose to who subscribe to rather than subscribe, by 'default', to the person with 3,000 followers.
- nouhad
Wow! - lots of comments! So, thought I'd come over here and jump on the bandwagon and try to feel a little less left out! Ha!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I understand that Robert.... The point is, who ISNT interacting with you? ;o) I se what you mean by your realtime feed.. all it shows is what YOU found interesting... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I don't agree, Rob. Robert follows everyone. Its not his opinion, solely. I don't, necessarily, think he finds me interesting, at all. :)
- Heidi Jeffers Thibodeau
Not syaing it is though heidi... ;o) the point is even if Robert post a nonsense post..everyone comments... thats where it looks scobly busy ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Since I don't follow Robert Scoble, this doesn't affect me terribly. When it does, there's the "Hide" link. My FF experience involves surprisingly little Robert Scoble, because I found he overwhelmed my feed when I was subscribed to him, so I worked to make FF what I want from it for me.
- Scott of Two Countries
What i need to do scott. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
To me Robert is just another FF user, there are lots of great people on here posting great content. The advantage Robert has is that he has by far the most followers, so anything he posts will be seen by many, many people. I like to follow the active members on FF rather than the popular ones. So have a look here: http://www.ffholic.com/Users.... Who knows, if more people follow these guys and they get more people seeing their content then things might change. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Rob ROCKS!
- orionstarr
PKD Fans: is @scobleizer Jory? "In Ubik, Jory acted as a false god and tried to force everyone to succumb to the reality he created for them." http://is.gd/f2nb and "Jory, a malevolent psychic juvenile delinquent who haunts the moratorium’s half-life realm. Jory is a projective psychotic who generates deceptive “realities” that seduce half-life dwellers into unreal realms and consumes the dregs of their half-life vitality." http://is.gd/f2ml Just keepin' it FUN, friends! Thx4 great thread! :-)
- michael silverton
He is the Elvis of FF.
- orionstarr
In all seriousness, the entire FF community is co-creating an entirely new way of thinking and being in the world. @scobelizer's personal transparency and enviable capacity for high volume social cognition should be in every textbook on the subject, moving forward. in many ways, he invented "social media" long before there was any such thing. personally, i'm just grateful to have stumbled into the fray -- so many brilliant minds in this thread alone -- hope the anthropologists taking notes! ++Rob Sellen!
- michael silverton
He invented it??? thats a tad to far IMO... can you proove that? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Michael.... I knew we would get some good comments... and we did. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Yes, my brother (despite Al Gore's claims to the contrary) invented the internets with the help of Steve Wozniak at the San Jose State journalism computer lab. It's a fact!
- Alex Scoble
so are you really his brother then? Ok... well... i don't know about inventing it... maybe he was the first noticable user.... but how do you define starting web 2.0 ? I mean ONE comment on a bloh is socail meda... so how you say yes it was HIM that started it all?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Yes, I'm really his brother...and the above sentence was entirely for entertainment purposes...mostly...mostly.
- Alex Scoble
ok. :o) little bro.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Operative phrase about @scobelizer is "in many ways." Like in Gore's case, the only missing word is "Public Policy" Father of the Interwebz; to which Gore can very comfortably lay claim. Everyone likes to think something was *their* idea as soon as they hear or see something with which they agree. Few recall the circumstances and uproar surrounding @scobelizer's departure from the...
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- michael silverton
How does that equate to him staring social media?
- Rob Sellen :o)
I agree with Rob on this, Some people have way to much ego. It's all bytes right?
- orionstarr
As far as I'm concerned myspace brought social media to front and mainstream not that I like myspace but I think that is the first social site to really pick up steam.
- orionstarr
lol... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
To get to first causes, we ask where did MySpace come from? We ask Tom where he got the inspiration. What behaviors did he see going on that made him think, "hey, this might work ..." For one, BLOGS. Early blogs partly gave Tom Anderson his ideas. No innovator pulls a new idea out of their own ass. If they claim they did, they're lying. So even @scobelizer had influences, but he was...
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- michael silverton
got proof?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Not to diminish anyone; rather to ACKNOWLEDGE each one. My own accounting of events is one data point in the proof; I've lived it. :-) For more proof and cross-checking, others have to click the links and do the research. It's not up to me to convince anyone, only to provide the very thin slice of my own limited perspective. The Truth is Out There for the finding, YOU are The Decider.
- michael silverton
ScobleFeed?
- Dimitar Vesselinov
Who gives a crap? I mean seriously...
- orionstarr
I don't mean to be rude just don't like to see fighting here
- orionstarr
well it seems some people do give a crap lol..... no-one is fighting.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@levarburton Thanks for launching Operation STS-2009: Scobleize the Scobleizer! :-) http://blip.tv/file/1654760 For 2009, spread the word: 1.) Be prepared with your own question(s) for Scoble. 2.) If @scobleizer approaches you, ask politely if you can borrow the camera for a minute. 3.) Scobleize the Scobleizer! Finally, link back to the TROUBLE started here http://tinyurl.com/STS-2009 by @robsellen !
- michael silverton
Rod, just found your comment. Hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Ooopppss, I didn't realize that Palm didn't want this live streamed. Oh well the 3G wasn't good anyway.
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Why not, they don't like the promotion? It's no control PR these days. Come on already.
- David Jacobs
Robert -thank you so much for streaming.
- Mona Nomura
haha
- Ralph Whitbeck
Hahaha. Too late now!
- Simon Wicks
Seriously, Palm needs a "PR in the social media world" training course.
- Kevin Pedraja
Thanks a bunch Robert. It was good to see some of it!
- TheSleepyGeek
Thanks for the effort Robert, if was interesting to watch none the less.
- Patrick Looney
Piss off, Palm! The live streaming gets people excited about your product.
- Aaron Eaton
Thank you Robert
- Palm_Inc
if they were really cool they would have given you a palm to live stream it from
- Clarence Westberg
Bad 3G at an EVDO device presentation ... Hmmm
- Robert Hafer
Robert: As it turns out, I'm told it was my SMS updates to friend from Palm who was at the launch event that led them to you. Sorry about that. :-) The good news is it wouldn't surprise me if they take a different approach to streaming next time.
- Ken Sheppardson
hahah... WHOOPS! :)
- Susan Beebe
You weren't the only one - It is on youtube.
- Darrell Bell
from twhirl
Scobleizer &8212; Tech geek blogger & Blog Archive Palm did what Nokia, RIM, and Microsoft couldn&8217;t: build a better experience than Apple & - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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From the page: "When I sat down at the beginning of the Palm Pre announcement press conference I was expecting to watch the death of a company. Palm? Give me a break. It would NEVER do anything interesting and Nokia, Microsoft, RIM, and expecially Apple were about to kick it into the deathbin of history.âÂoeGive me a break Scoble, you are drinking the shiny new object Koolaid,â I can hear you saying."
- TheSleepyGeek
The NEW Blackberry Bold 9000 - This Is The Start Of My Crackberry Addiction! » The Sleepy Geek - http://www.thesleepygeek.com/2009...
Come and read my review!!! "It feels more like a phone that can do a hundred other things than a unit that does 100 things one of which is make phone calls"
- TheSleepyGeek
from Bookmarklet
(commented on my Blog - www.thesleepygeek.com) from Gavin -=- I picked up my Bold yesterday and LOVE it. The speed is amazing. The one thing I didn’t like about the iPhone is that it does not multitask. I love having my MSN in the background on my Bold. also powerful enough to load a few movies on for long trips. Enjoy.
- TheSleepyGeek
That is another great point. The HTC Touch does multi task but like I said it’s slow to do one task after another never mind 2 at the same time :) The Bold does this very well. I also have my MSN open while not at my PC. Didn’t know that the iPhone wasn’t doing this.
- TheSleepyGeek
3D printing from Shapeways
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This bowl was made by a user of Shapeways which let's you "print" 3D objects. Really cool way to print out physical objects. http://www.shapeways.com
- Robert Scoble
from email
Scary!
- Mona Nomura
Isn't this just rapid prototyping or something new? I've seen 3D printers before
- Mo Kargas
Welcome to the future!!
- Seth Greenblatt
That image is a little disturbing... reminds me of 3d ultra sounds for babies.
- TheSleepyGeek
Oh Yeah! Kool-Aid 3D guy
- Andrew Smith
hahahhahaha Andrew!!
- Mona Nomura
My TweetBacks WordPress Plugin | Dan Zarrella - http://danzarrella.com/wp-twee...
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Show who tweets about your blog post right on your blog
- Ron"micronet"Harwood
That's funny... I just installed a FriendFeed plugin for this. I am going to check out this one for twitter... why not eh?
- TheSleepyGeek
I installed it and it slowed my load time from 4 seconds a post to about 10-12.
- TheSleepyGeek
The NEW Blackberry Bold 9000 - This Is The Start Of My Crackberry Addiction! - http://www.lockergnome.com/creeden...
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Funny... I didn't realize that lockergnome put up all posts on FF. I put my posts up over there as well.
- TheSleepyGeek
Question: It may be too early to assess its popularity, but do you think that the Android/G1 will overtake the iPhone in terms of better application support? With an open platform, surely it can, right?
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Having just bought the Android for my wife two days ago, and seeing the potential it has, I think your statement is a fair assessment. It will take 2-3 years though before it gets to that point. I was gung ho for buying an Iphone. I'm seriously reconsidering going with the Android now for myself.
- Mike Fruchter
The open platform being one main selling point.
- Mike Fruchter
In terms of number and quality of applications, I could see Android overtaking the iPhone. Much like linux vs windows/mac though, I'm not so sure it will take the lead market position. Depends on how many additional handset makers deploy android and how cheap they make them.
- mikepk
Thanks Mike. I'm still stuck with a Treo (and I still need a Treo car charger from my earlier message on FF!) but I'm considering the Android route when Sprint introduces a capable phone. Since I have no immediate need to switch mobile handhelds now, I'm just going to wait it out. To be honest, I'm not a fan of the iPod Touch and iPhone anymore. Apple's support sucks and developers don't have a clue.
- Tamar Weinberg
Android is better for developers and I really hope it can outsell the iPhone. In terms of helping developers, having an open marketplace, it's not even close. Android FTW :)
- Steven Cains
But saying that, all I hear about is companies developing for the iPhone (simply because of numbers) while Android apps are an afterthought.
- Steven Cains
the iphone will slowly open up as a platform. see itunes slowly opening up, with drm move. iphone will do so to keep up with its leadership position. the other catch... it is easier for developers to work off one platform for one phone. not so easy to work off one platform with different flavors for different phones. i expect the iphone to keep its dominance for the medium term
- Pascal Bouvier
Cains, but at first, iPhone development wasn't widespread. Sure, Apple did get an edge here, but I hope that the Android will take off. I just don't want to be loyal to Apple for the rest of my life and would love the mobile application market to be something besides oldschool Blackberry/Windows apps and the iPhone.
- Tamar Weinberg
I hope android will surpass the iphone. There are far more java developers out there which can jump on android than there are objective-c programmers. But the iphone has a huge lead in terms of interface design and ease of use. And it will not be easy to break the itunes/app store system.
- Peter Hoffmann
Really Tamar? Seems like every developer I know had some kind of work for the iPhone before the SDK was even released. Android just hasn't generated the same buzz (amongst the general public more than developers). Surprising for Google, the only other tech company that can rival Apple's customer enthusiasm. I think Pascal has a good point too, the varying case & control designs could present a stumbling block for 3rd party development.
- Steven Cains
I don't think they did, Cains, but maybe I'm wrong.
- Tamar Weinberg
Developers follow their hearts and Android so far hasn't been inspiring. If their hearts don't matter market size does. Google is losing there too.
- Robert Scoble
Android will win I believe. It may take a while - more updates (which they rock at), some more hardware platforms, add that to the extra flexibility the developers get and you have a winner.
- Shaun McIntyre
Someone needs to make setting up a development environment and getting started with Android development a lot less painless and then there will be more developers interested in writting apps for it. I want to but I don't have time to overcome the learning curve at the moment and I have heard it is a daunting one.
- Lindsay
I think it's too early to assess. Android's biggest problem is not the software but the hardware. (no offense to the G1 owners)
- Mona Nomura
AM waiting for other players to come out with their Android phones.
- Rom Feria
Mona - Couldn't agree more. While I'd love to have a hackable phone I can't get behind carrying around that thing. Ergonomics matter...
- Brian Roy
@Mona - yeah, it's not as sexy as the iPhone, but I look at it as geeky vs popular. I like the fact that my phone is the geeky one.
- Lindsay
I say this every time this is discussed, but the big problem with Android is that the apps are written in Java and run on an interpreted virtual machine. It's not a good fit for an embedded device.
- invariant - farewell FF
Quality beats quantity - the question ought to be if more of the applications we want are on the phone. I say this because I don't really need 10,000 variants of "iFart" available to me, and I would like more tools that make the phone more useful. That said, I strongly suspect Android will win out - more handsets, more networks means more market share. The AT&T locked iPhone will start to suffer once Android can be found on everything else.
- Eric P
invariant - please... not the "java is too slow" thing... interpreted at run time is the majority of code now. Java/PHP/Python/JavaScript... need I go on. EDIT - Sorry forgot ruby... my Rails friends will be coming with pitchforks.
- Brian Roy
Brian: You're utterly wrong. Java, Python and Javascript on PCs are all Just In Time compiled. Java on Android is not. It's too slow. Trust me, I wrote J2ME apps for cell phones for years.
- invariant - farewell FF
Just wait until the Sony/Ericsson and Motorola Androids come out. Lindsay - I feel so awful saying this because I know you, Tad, and Tina love yours... But I just didn't like the way it felt in my hand and the iPhone's attention to details is what captured my heart. Sony/Ericsson is really good with sexyfying gadgets. I hope they prevail because I'm an Android fan. :)
- Mona Nomura
Good, when I'm wrong I prefer to be utterly wrong. So Java works different on Android? How so?
- Brian Roy
I'm sure there will be better hardware coming out that will run Android. No doubt. But it's not out yet. And I like what I have. And I like the fact that it's NOT an iPhone like everyone else has. And it does cool and awesome stuff anyway. And I have a REAL keyboard. I almost feel about the iPhone the way I do about Sony... too proprietary for my tastes (well, I guess that doesn't count for phones, but any Sony device that uses media).
- Lindsay
Most virtual machines on PCs these days will convert a function to native machine code the first time it's called, then use that native code for subsequent calls. The virtual machine on Android (and all cell phones) does not do this, but reinterprets each bit of virutal machine code each time it is run. The garbage collectors on phone VMs also tend to be less sophisticated, which means it takes them longer to clean up memory when the app needs more.
- invariant - farewell FF
If Skype Lite becomes readily (and easily) available for the average user on a G1, then yes, it can and will overtake the iPhone.
- Brandon Mendelson
I hope so but doubt it. By the time a nicely built phone is paired with a mature Android, Apple will probably come out with something even better due to its head start.
- Rodfather
My cel phone is >300x faster and has >1000x more RAM than my first computer, and most of its apps were written in an interpreted language. I'm not buying the "it's too slow" argument.
- Victor Ganata
RAM is another issue with Java. Embedded devices don't have demand-paged virtual memory. But you cannot easily control exactly how much memory your app takes using Java because it was originally designed with that type of memory system in mind. My colleagues and I burned many hours trying to control memory in Java apps for J2ME phones. None of us would voluntarily go back to writing code in that type of environment.
- invariant - farewell FF
That's a specious argument Victor - unless you only plan on running Commodore 64 level apps on your phone. I at least want something more - something that can manipulate 3 megapixels of picture data in real time, or render multiple thousands of polygons every thirtieth of a second, or even decode video at an acceptable framerate. Did your first computer do that?
- invariant - farewell FF
One more thing, cause I feel like I'm coming off as more hardcore on this than I want to. 99% of iPhone apps would run great in Java on Android. Games (which is what I do) are a different story. But I do think a lot of people who might have been interested in working on Android apps, Linux people especially, heard that you needed to work in Java and said "no thanks". Whether it's perception (and some of it is) or reality (and some of it is), it's driving devs away. They need to give devs the choice.
- invariant - farewell FF
All comments use iPhone as "standard" to meet. Marketer's dream niche!
- Phil Boiarski
The openness is a two-edged sword. Device manufacturers can pick and choose what parts of android they'll support, as well as have different kinds of hardware support. When you write an iPhone app, you can count on multitouch hardware, accelerometer, hardware graphics acceleration etc. being there -- not so with Android. If you go to native code for performance, then you need different binaries for the different processor families used on different devices & lose the cross-platform advantage of the VM.
- Karim
invariant makes some excellent points about the lack of a JIT compiler. It's hard to believe Google won't add JIT eventually, but in the meantime the performance hit is significant. Even *if* Android gets to application parity with the iPhone, and the UI and the hardware got to be just as sexy as Apple, at the end of the day the device still isn't an iPod. All other things being equal, having that iPod ability is going to push a lot of consumers to the iPhone platform. Developers will follow.
- Karim
It's funny because I feel like I've seen this story before. It's true that history repeats. Oddly enough, history is repeating and some of the actors are even still the same.
- mikepk
Karim, those are good points, but I think there's something more fundamental at play here though.
- mikepk
Karim - You have to make a different build for every device anyway. Before we got out of the business we were literally making 100+ different builds in order to achieve wide handset deployment.
- invariant - farewell FF
Yes. Yes.
- scott anderson
While I don't see the G1 overtaking the iPhone anytime soon, I think Android does have a lot of potential in embedded systems. Which is sort of ironic given that Java was originally intended for PDAs and set-top boxes and not the World Wide Web.
- Karim
invariant, I thought the whole point of Dalvik was so you didn't need one binary for device A, a different one for device B, etc.? mikepk -- can you elaborate on "something more fundamental?"
- Karim
Karim, Android may be the long play.... My theory: in the short term, closed system and good experience will win. In the long term, the HW will become commoditized and price will become the overriding factor. It's the mac/microsoft story redux. The one variable that's different this time around is less control over and possibly more fractured experience of Android. If Android becomes linux-like in that regard, they might not hit the critical mass.
- mikepk
Karim - that's the theory but it never works out in practice, because you have to change your code to support the different characteristics of the different devices. Actually, it's usually to work around different bugs on the various devices.
- invariant - farewell FF
mike, i think see what you mean. i think there are some important differences, though -- people went with PCs for various reasons, but cost was a big factor -- the better experience wasn't worth the $1,000 (or whatever the "Mac Tax" used to be) for most people. Also with PCs you had far more options than phones -- fingerprint readers, multiple displays, handwriting recognition etc. so the ability to customize hardware had value. Not as much with phones, I think.
- Karim
the price point matters. people might not cough up another $500 for a computer, but i think people are willing to pay another $50 for a better user experience on the phone.
- Karim
Apple can go open source or whatever the hell they want to answer Google. Besides the iphone is about hardware as well as software and Android would need to be able to anticipate my every need to beat the overall package of iPhone methinks. It's just not good enough in teh hardware stakes- yet.
- thomasrdotorg
from twhirl
invariant, you've probably *forgotten* more about Java on mobiles than I'll ever *know*, so I'm going to defer to you on that point! :-)
- Karim
I really think that it needs to be readily available. The release of the iPhone was huge, Google needs to make sure they pump resources into the first Android release so that it is as visible. Then it stands a chance.
- TheSleepyGeek
palm announcement http://m.kyte.tv/ch...
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Keeps dying on me, update us here ;)
- TheSleepyGeek
Doesn't appear to be working. Cut out after he introduced the folks he's sitting around.
- Ken Sheppardson
I got the same thing...
- TheSleepyGeek
Will do. The 3G sucks.
- Robert Scoble
Are we all bashing the Palm and calling it dead when you are 3G-ing on an iPhone? Irony??? :) Just thinking out loud :)
- TheSleepyGeek
Not really liking the irony of a few hundred devotees piecing together coverage via half a dozen different twitter/ff/liveblog streams from onsite press carrying iPhones and Nokia devices because Palm won't stream their own event.
- Ken Sheppardson
Haha, I love this - 10:54AM - Sprint’s network is severely choking here, I’ll be kind of surprised if I can do any coverage if this keeps up! - RE: Larsen aka Qbat: http://live.gdgt.com/2009/01/0...
- TheSleepyGeek
Am I the only person who ever liked the Palm OS?--while not nearly as slick & sexy a OSX--it always just WORKED. Fast & reliable... that's enough for a *thumbs-up* in my book.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Hmm, I found Palm OS to be technically interesting, although I never had chance to use it, outside of the SDK in their emulator.
- Tyson Key
Robert, thank you so much for the stream!!
- Mona Nomura
Rob, agreed. PalmOS was best-in-class for many years, but it got passed by during the ACCESS / PALMOS2 fiasco. Now, with carriers wanting fewer mobile OSs to support, can even a great product break through, or is it too late?
- John Craft
Newton all the way!
- Robert Denton
from the very little video I see their setups are boring. simplify message (you live in Mexico, who cares), build tension, switch slides, wow!
- Robert Denton
Memories gone by hugh? http://idreamofcode.com/mu...
- TheSleepyGeek
Wow, I still have a MessagePad MP100, although it doesn't power on anymore. (Might have been something to do with a little experiment involving the thermometer widget on the main home screen, that I did at a friend's house, a few years ago). :(
- Tyson Key
New Palm phone has best social networking features #ces09
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More on this later but this is very nice for connecting Facebook and other data from your friends.
- Robert Scoble
from email
Will it put them back in the game?
- Simon Wicks
It's going to be an awesome device and perhaps the iPhone killer! RIM has nothing on this device!
- Elijah Nicolas
Nice, but a little late to get them back in the game with the likes of RIM and Apple around.
- Nick
What browser does it use? Anyone say yet?
- Ralph Whitbeck
Palm would need to start a track record of great devices with a stellar OS in order to get back in the game.
- Aaron Eaton
iPhone user here. This looks super cool. Keep in mind it is a demo. As Microsoft has proved in the past. There are demos and then the real world. I hope Palm lives up to the demo. I wonder when it will ship. I hope it ships before the next iPhone or it may not matter.
- gfurry
Charo: I think this gets them back in the game.
- Robert Scoble
I think this gets them in the game and leaps them in front of Apple.
- Ralph Whitbeck
Interesting that we have a different impression not being at the live event. I can't wait to see high quality video of it to make better judgment.
- TheSleepyGeek
Flash for the browser?
- Ralph Whitbeck
This looks cool. Not sure it would get me to give up my iPhone but seems like the first truly worthy competitor. And that's a good thing for the market.
- Kevin Pedraja
suddenly interested in Palm again
- SolidSmack
from twhirl
Actually this might kill Steve off for good, j/k.
- Ralph Whitbeck
Looks OK, but people aren't going to choose this over an iPhone.
- Spencer
I don't know - watching this on Engadget and it looks pretty cool (diehard iPhoner)
- James Hull
Wait - Sprint - wah wahhh - never mind lol
- James Hull
I hope they have a GSM version of this
- Ryan
And then three words kill the entire demo. "Exclusive Launch Partner"
- gfurry
LOL @gfurry - it's only for a few months.
- John Craft
More words to dampen enthusiasm. Available first half or 2009
- gfurry
Good for Palm. Good for consumers.
- Chris Baskind
John: "A few months" exclusivity? I *seriously* doubt it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Did we hear pricepoint?
- Ken Sheppardson
What about an App store? That is the way to go. I remember my treo days it was pretty ugly as far as third party apps go.
- gfurry
gfurry Already revamped: http://appstore.pocketgear.com/palm...
- Ken Sheppardson
@Ken, Palm has usually limited its exclusives to 3-6 months before rolling out to other carriers, especially when Sprint is the exclusive.
- John Craft
John: Aha. So six months is "a few". Gotcha. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Needs a FriendFeed integration feature to really make it... ;)
- Tyson Key
As a mostly happy iPhone user, I hope Palm can get back in the game. The phone's OS seems to step it up, but the phone itself seems a bit thick. ANd I didn't catch a price from Sprint. Also, by the time this comes out, the iPhone OS may also get an upgrade. Interesting times. Good luck to all.
- Kawika Holbrook
It looks like a seriously good device. My question is, will there be a new iPhone in the middle of this year, and if so, what would it take for it to make this irrelevant? It seems like incremental software improvements would do that - a better launcher in particular. A cpu speed bump, larger storage, thinner device, and the long-promised notification service, and not a lot else would seem to be needed. Also being CDMA this is likely to be US only for a while.
- Robin Barooah
according to http://cdg.org, there are over 400M CDMA subscribers worldwide, only 150M in North America. Asia has almost double the # of US subscribers.
- Greg Guitarbuster
@greg - I stand corrected. I wonder what the global GSM vs CDMA figures are.
- Robin Barooah
GSM users >> CDMA users worldwide. Why isn't it UMTS? I have a bad feeling about this.
- Victor Ganata
@robin - GSM is over 3.5 billion
- Greg Guitarbuster
C'mon, folks - the radio is the easiest part of the equation. if it is popular, drop in an HSPA chip.
- John Craft
Greg: Seriously? 3.5 bil of the world's 6.7 bil people have a GSM phone? Call me skeptical.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: Not an unbiased source I know but the GSMA website claims 3 billion. Here in Europe it's the standard, 3G uptake is very slow.
- Russ
Ken: I got that number from http://gsm.org. I don't know if they were counting total devices or current subscribers. Shoot, I have several of each.
- Greg Guitarbuster
GSM disclaimer "indicative only, estimated from market data collected by Wireless Intelligence. It is not a precise figure, nor usable for legal purposes."
- Greg Guitarbuster
Have to say, the OS looks super cool, I think Palm might be coming back into the game with this one.
- amil
To me this looks like it's better positioned to take Blackberry customers than Apple ones - emphasis on the home/vs work calendars and contacts etc plus keyboard. It could be a straight enhancement for a Blackberry user, where as an iPhone user would have to trade one set of benefits for another.
- Robin Barooah
Live from Palm’s Treo announcement at DigitalLife - Engadget - http://www.thesleepygeek.com/2009...
forget this one, missed the link!
- TheSleepyGeek
PALM live announcement http://m.kyte.tv/ch...
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Take 2?
- TheSleepyGeek
Looking good... Audio at least.
- Ken Sheppardson
Audio working quite nicely.
- TheSleepyGeek
Robert: If you can keep video up and Joshua can post snapshots (engadget), we're golden.
- Ken Sheppardson
Stream just died again. Going to refresh.
- TheSleepyGeek
If you had $3,000 in your pocket, which would you buy? Canon 5D MKII or Apple 17-inch MacBookPro. Discuss here:
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Neither
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
We are arguing about that on the CES bus. Geeks!
- Robert Scoble
Canon 5D MKII hands down.
- Andrew Hyde
pro for sho
- Bradley Will
Canon camera. I need a great camera more than a Mac
- Keith - @tsudo
5d Mk II
- Scott Loftesness
5D MKII, since I've already got a Mac Pro. ;)
- Cory OBrien
Have a Nikon D300 and my old MBP is on the fritz, so this woud be a slam dunk for me
- Gregg Gallagher
17 inch MBP because I love it. Then I'd buy a cheap 40D. I get more use out of a laptop than I do a camera.
- Michael Yurechko
Apple 17-inch MacBookPro with a matte screen.
- Arturo Puente
People who get a good cannon keep them forever, I go through a macbook every few years
- Michael Struening
Macbook Pro. Only because I'm a Nikon fan. D300 is definitely my choice of camera ;)
- Tamar Weinberg
mac
- David Banes
from IM
Mac
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Would have to be the MacBookPro
- Jason Townsend
The Canon. A solid peice of hardware and I'm after a camera
- Mo Kargas
5D MKII of course.
- Jeremy Franklin
The Canon. I'd have so much more fun with a zippy camera than a Big Mac.
- Mike Neumann
Probably the computer. I'm happy with the first gen 5D I'm about to buy and as awesome as the camera is, the MBP doesn't need another $5K in lenses.
- Derrick
Neither, you need at least twice that for glass & equipment to get the "rig" you should want for a Canon MKII - sorry, 3K isn't enough for that toy; and spending 3K on disposable technology (Mac equipment) isn't a wise investment.
- Enrique Gutierrez
MBP....i miss my macs!
- Brian Bufalo
5D MKII hands down. I can hold onto the memory cards until I get to a desktop :)
- Austin
Without question: 5D mark II
- Rodney L.
MBP - it's a means of production for me, once i make some extra cash with it I can always buy the 5D ;-)
- Warren
which are you going to get more utility from? I'm guessing the Canon.
- Peter Warnock
I already have a 5D MKII but I would take another one in a heartbeat, or a couple of nice L glass
- Bill Pennington
5D Mark II..... no doubt.
- Albert K
Canon, without a doubt.
- Brad Butner
Definitely the MacBook Pro...but then again I'm not a photographer.
- Charlie Flowers
Canon
- Tyler (Chacha)
from IM
Neither, I'd use it to buy food for a year.
- Will Higgins™
Considering I can make quicker cash with my Photography work I would say the Canon 5D MKII and then I would buy the Apple 17 inch MacBook Pro with some of my earnings!
- Patrick Greer
5D Mark II. And then throw the remaining towards some new glass.
- Andy Hannon
2k into the bank, 1k for computer upgrades and other stuff.
- Grant Bierman
5D Mk II everytime ... unless I don't have a Mac at that particular time ...
- Stephen Taylor
I would go for the Macbookpro
- Troy Malone
5D MKII...already have a MacBookPro and I'm willing to ditch my Nikon gear!
- Dan Shust
Canon 5D MKII since I already have the 15" MBP.
- Alan Le
I don't need either one--but I think the Canon would have much better resale value--so given the choices: Canon.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Canon 5D MKII - for sure! - I really want one.... :(
- Brad
MBP - not a photographer
- Matt Faulkner
A 50D and a fast lens. ;-)
- D. Lambert
I've already got the 15" unibody so I'd go for the 5Dmkii
- Sparky
If I didn't have a laptop, then I would get the 17" MBP. If I already had a lappy, then get the camera...
- William Sellers
Well, I recently moved from a 30D to a 5DMII because it was a huge upgrade for my "system". With a 2 year old Macbook Pro still serving me well for my needs, it's an easy decision. Additionally, I can't see using a 17" notebook over a 15 for portability sake, I'd just as well get an iMac and keep using my Macbook Pro for mobile use.
- Ryan
Aren't you in Vegas? I think there are a few other options in front of you..
- LA Snark
5D!!
- Wil
The camera. I have a new macbook already.
- Jim Williams
The 5D is more than a $3k investment. It's $3k upfront but thousands in lenses, flashes and other gear over the years.
- Michael Yurechko
Canon 5DMIII...
- Greg Kamer
MacBookPro 17-inch. I am a Nikon guy. So, Canon 5D MKII if I had $7K for all the lenses, too.
- Chintan Zaveri
The camera! I already have the 15" MBpro. 17" is just too big.
- Sherry Main
My 1 yr-old MacBook doesn't thrill me; it sits on the desk unused, and I just couldn't pay more than $200 for a camera, unless I was dreadfully rich.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
5DMKII - sell some images on istockphoto, and then buy an MSI Wind and install OSX. It is faster than my 15" MBP!
- Darren Mak
Definitely the 5D MkII
- Christopher Chan
$3,000 worth of NOODLZ
- Bwana ☠
MBP. I just got a brand new camera.
- Glen Mistletoe
100 shares of CRM ;D
- barl0w
What would I do with a Mac?
- drsPIX
5D MkII - want! I already have a Mac, iPhone, 2 PC's and a laptop. <sigh> gadget budget is small right now though.
- Jim Bergman
canon 5d. already have a 15 mbp
- Kiran Patchigolla
5D MK II You can always get the Mac later.
- Yu Yu Din
I'd pay my bills and buy some groceries.
- ::Kristen::
Apple 17-inch MacBook Pro.
- Chris Luckhardt
What's an Apple 17-inch MacBookPro and why would a person need one?
- Michael Krigsman
Mac book pro
- Randy
MacBook Pro because I have neither a mac or digital SLR and the Mac does many things where as the canon does one thing well/
- Bryan Lee
Canon 5D MKII
- منــــصــــور
I'll take the MacBook Pro
- Rob
MacBookPro...or a Martin 12 http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product... and use the difference to buy a copy of logic pro for my 15" macbook pro
- Armen Chakmakjian
I'll go for the MacBook. My heart beats nikon so....
- studio_juan
5D MKII - do you want to lug around that 17" beast?
- nicholas einstein
MBP - already have a nice Canon - but my Mac sits firmly on my desk
- shaun mclane
MacBook Pro, but I would need another $1200 for the 8GB of RAM.
- Shawn Hickman
5D MKII. Even though I already have one.
- Kathleen McGivney
Neither. Maybe 3 coins :). I have a Macbook Pro which I don't use often comparing to my PC. I am not into the consumer electronic stuff, only got a digital cam last year :).
- dexin
Canon. Can't believe Apple ditched the matte screen on the 17" - FCP users and photographers don't want a glossy screen - the idea of the 17" is the ability to use it out in the field for photo/video editing.
- Peter Clayton
So limiting, Robert! If I could pick whatever I wanted, I'd get one of those sweet Asus multi-touch netbooks coming out - and then use the rest to buy Yahoo! stock. :P
- Shawn Farner
MB 13'' and the external cinema display. MBP17 is huge to carry out
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
canon
- jtothea
17" MBP FTW! You should create a poll on SocialToo.com Robert, then we can see graphed results!
- Joseph
Craigslist in Cincinnati - 5D for 1200: http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ele...
- D. Lambert
Wow, what a great argument! 82 comments in 17 minutes!
- Robert Scoble
MacBook Pro. I really, really, really want a new laptop even though my current MacBook works just fine.
- Nation Hahn
Camera. Droooooooooool.
- Alix Whitmire
Well part of it would have to go towards fixing my car, http://preview.tinyurl.com/9dz2kz. Then the rest would go towards buying a second camera body to be my main and at least one lens if not two. Then the rest would go towards bills.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Robert: Apple products plus awesome SLR cameras...response is a given :)
- Mo Kargas
the camera is nice - especially all the HD video. friend of mine in the movie post-production business reckons this sort of Camera will KILL the movie camera business in a few years time. especially at the low-budget movie (<$30 million) of the movie business. RED already making big inroads. much cheaper than an ARRI.
- Scot Mcphee
The MK II as I already have the MBP 17 inch...older but it works.
- Semipro
Canon 5D is the winner for me. Great digital photography is the gift that keeps on giving.... ;-)
- John Uppendahl
Well.... Given that I have 4 PC desktops, 2 PC laptops, and 1 iMac, all of which are operational and regularly used, AND that I suck at photography, I'm going for what's behind door #3: A whopping big HDTV -- which will get hooked up to the living room PC, of course. ;-)
- Joanmarie
17" Mac. Already have a camera. . .
- Scott Whitney
Nikon D3
- Bill Sanders
Macbook Pro for me. Would be my first Mac.
- Jim Bednarz
Nikon D3
- ThePicMan
MacBook Pro. Don't need such a super-duper crazy camera. Not a real photographer. But a very real Mac geek.
- Louis Gray
5D for sure!
- Daniel Pourasghar
I'd go the MacBook - but I'd also load it up with the full 8gb of RAM I see as an option (and not many people mentioning). Sadly, a nice 17" MBP setup it just over NZ$10k :(
- Mark Derricutt
MacBook Pro. Hands down. I'm a computer engineer, not a photographer.
- Logan Leger
well since I've already got a Canon 5D Mark II... hmmmm...
- Thomas Hawk
I'll buy neither. What I would rather do is try to buy one share of BRK-B if it gets to that price. :)
- imabonehead
The 17" Mac Book Pro, I already have a 5D MkII ;-)
- Jeff P. Henderson
I'd buy the camera, I have always loved photography and wanted to learn.
- R. Ferguson
The Canon, all the way man!!
- Finding The View
Apple! I don't like the fact of the hd video recorder on the 5D and I want the Sony alpha!
- Brandy Lea
Canon. 15" MBP is the largest I'll go.
- ronin
I would take the cash and build an ultimate gaming PC !!! :D
- ralphsaunders
When you buy an inexpensive camera, you really sacrifice quality, and that lack of quality endures (you want to keep your photos forever, right?). When you buy an inexpensive computer, that's not the case (I don't need a unibody case :)
- David Andrzejewski
Canon 5D - easy answer!
- Susan Beebe
Ouch, this one hurts. I suppose I can't opt for a Nikon equivalent to the Canon? If this is the choice, I'd opt for the MacBook Pro. But if I had 3K, I'd buy myself the Nikon D300
- Karoli
The Canon. A 17" laptop is too big unless you plan to use it as a desktop.
- Hartley Spurlock
Mac for sure.I have a first generation Macbook and I need a new one. Kaya Singer
- Kaya
I'd pay off my credit card. For all that stuff I, like, already bought.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
the Macbook pro but only because I need to upgrade my computer.
- Anna Lynn M.
the Camera for sure
- Tai
5d Mark II
- Jauder Ho
None - a super-gaming rig. :)
- carrotmadman6
Definitely a Canon 5D.
- Maria Colacurcio
5D Mark II - Hands down.
- Seagate
I would save it until I had between $8-15K for a CO2 laser cutting machine. I like my macs small, and while full frame sounds nice, I know I'm not nearly hungry enough to go pro in photography, so 40D suits me just fine.
- Jason Wehmhoener
That's a tough one because I have been wanting to get my first Mac (have to start somewhere, right?!) but am a hard core Canon fan/user. So if push came to shove, I would have to go with the Canon.
- Laura Zickus
Mmm, CO2 lasers.
- Mo Kargas
That would be either a trip to another continent or a Fujitsu LifeBook P1630, but it would not be either of the options in the question. I seriously cannot understand $3k for a camera, unless you're going to make that money back in a month or two WITH said camera.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Neither, I would invest in the stock market.
- DGentry
I'd prefer a D300, however no matter what brand I'd take the camera in a second over the MBP. Save up another $500 and get a Windows Notebook as well.
- Kenton
The Canon 5D MKII for sure. Cameras bring me a lot more joy than flashy computers. Though a 17-inch MacBookPro would be nice to edit those new photos on too ;-)
- Ian Holton
from twhirl
Probably the Mac. I would never carry around a DSLR. Too big.
- Rodfather
Neither. The new full frame format with HD Movies (wow! Woopee *rolls eyes*) is crap - only 3.9 FPS?! Who are they kidding?!
- Adam
Seeing my Macbook Pro is 5 months old. I would buy neither...but I would buy a MacPro with more RAM.
- Ryan
I take a cruise with Lindsay - big ass stateroom.
- Internet's Tad
Neither, I'd get a Canon Rebel XTi and build a new gaming PC, anything left over would go toward the new home NOC
- xero
I would take my lover to Italy :)
- Maryam Scoble
The Canon 5D, I find the photographic process calming, a welcome diversion from the ones and zeros.
- cornedbeefgents
Awwww :)
- Mo Kargas
If I had the $3,000, Canon 5D and a larger donation here http://tinyurl.com/daniela Pros: it's more portable, takes better pictures, and connects to my more compact 15" Macbook Pro. Of course, it doesn't work with my Nikon lenses, so...
- Lee Dale
Canon 5D MKII only cause I have a Macbook Pro. If I didnt it would be the Macbook.
- Bob Maltais
Nah. Patrick's college fund. 5D Mark 2 or the Macbook isn't all that exciting.
- Joshua Hayworth
cannon.I kill computers, so not worth spending 3 grand on one. Plus I have a (beat up) macbook pro already.
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Photos shoot at 3.9 fps, video shoots at 30 fps. @AdamGiovane
- Jim Bergman
The MacBook of course.
- Rob Fahrni
mac
- Vishy
5D, but I wish it had XLR audio.
- Gus
the new MBP, without a doubt ... my current ones needs a refresh (I'm accepting donations btw) ;-)
- Jeffrey Canton
Since I'll be getting the new MBP anyway, I'll take the 5D. BTW, is anyone keeping score?
- Brad Kligerman
I would buy the Canon, but of course, I would need a MacBook Pro in order to edit/view the photos the way they were meant to be viewed.
- Robert Peña
Blatant self-promotion, but if Robert used re-searchr.com it would keep score for us... I wrote it to suck down inline multiple choice selections so no ne would even have to leave ff
- James Ostheimer
Robert, you're asking the question that's been pondering in my mind from some time (albeit it used to be with the 15" and Cinema display v. 5D/a900/D700 -cannot make my mind-). I want to be able to make a decision before March. I think I'll be going for the Mac, since I might relocate in part of the world where carrying an expensive piece of art around my neck might be more dangerous than here, in JPN.
- Paul Papadimitriou
I'd go for a MBP, mine needs an upgrade and I just bought a 50D not long ago which is just fine for me.
- Andrew Trinh
from Nambu
I need cash! :)
- Randy
Some of us are Nikon people. Some of us are not Mac people. I'll just take the 3 Gs.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Nikon D700 + 50mm 1.4 prime lens!
- Guillaume Lemoine
More lenses. My camera is fine, and this Thinkpad is a good 'un.
- Paula W
Seems like Apple design the 17-inch MacBookPro just can use in 3years.the battery can only use in 1000 times,1time per 1day,3years.But Canon 5D can take more beatuful pics for me,and can stand by me more than 3years.if i really have 3000dollers,i real do this.kick off 17-inch MacbookPro.
- jedorstar
from twhirl
Lenses, like Paula sez.
- Rob Kramer
Buy half and half :)
- Michael Forian
Wow, I came late to this convo. Well, for what it's worth at this point, I'd probably get the lappytop, sell my old MBP and then use THAT money to buy a cheaper camera. :D
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
Canon 5D MKII, no doubt. I have a 1.5 year old 15-inch MacBookPro which is still more than OK. Going from Canon 400D to a 5D MKII however would be a major upgrade.
- Rutger Blom
Macbook I think. I have a 40D but REALLY want the 5D. Which do you think you could get your hands on first?
- Andrew Smith
The 5D. The MacBookPro can wait.
- Chris Nixon
5D, I have enough laptops as it is.
- Amit Morson
The $2800 MBP becomes a lot more compelling when converted to 2080€.
- Brad Kligerman
I'm a Nikon guy but the 5D MKII has me seriously considering a switch
- Bryan Thatcher
from twhirl
As I don't like Macs and into my photography the choice out of the two is simple. :-) But I've rather spend the money on say the Nikon D3 and if you gave me an extra grand or 2 then I'd go for the Nikon D3X. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
from twhirl
Without though, the Canon 5D MKII. First up, you don't want to trust another "first gen" Apple product. And with the unimpressive lineup yesterday, maybe the 15" laptops are coming out real soon now, with similar features, and all quirks ironed out
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
MAC!!!
- Orli Yakuel
(Friendfeed needs a poll feature)
- Jérôme Flipo
5D over the MAC Pro.
- Robert Miller
MacBookPro - just bought myself a nice camera with a fracking big lens!
- Joel Hammond-Turner
Canon!
- Janet
Canon. I have a laptop and rarely use it - well not as a laptop. It sits on a desk as a permenant fixture.
- Ian May
Canon 5D mk 2 :)
- Joe Dawson
Camera, I never liked the 17". It's too heavy for a "portable"
- Melissa dela Merced
from twhirl
neither, a big ass HDTV :)
- Terry O'Fee
17-inch macbookPro is way too big. so I would go for the camera. Problem is I would need to learn how to use it then...
- Davide D'Incau
If you have good lenses to take advantage of the MKII (extra $3000 needed here), go for the camera!
- Joao Pedro
I would buy a Apple 17-inch macbook of course.! I don't have an apple and I would really like one. I have a camera thats good enough for me.
- Qbat
nor this neither that! i will send money to help people in Gaza or at least I'll send 1000 $.
- خیزران Never Changed
canon 5d mk ii based on the videos I've seen - i mean just look at these http://is.gd/cP6x
- planetMitch
The Canon, surely. No use for a laptop that big.
- Ryan Sholin
5D over here too
- Simon Wicks
Macbook Pro 17!
- Greg
The camera. Already have three computers but have no camera.
- Martha
I am not pro enough to need the 5D, I am actually looking at a D60 or D90. But the 17 Macbook is something I can use :)
- TheSleepyGeek
I'd buy the Nikon D700
- David Parmet
from twhirl
neither - cash is still king
- viki saigal
its the lens, not the body - spring for L glass
- @jessewright
MacBookPro
- Stewart Rogers
New MacBookPro 17". I would probably get more use out of it than the Canon. But my, oh my, ya'll, the Canon sure is sweet.
- Matthew Freeman
5D - I don't need a macbook. I'm happy with my PC and laptop - they cover my my needs perfectly.
- Roberto Bonini
MBP.
- Michael Molinar
Donate it to @armano.
- Jim Mitchem
given my current status .. I am happy with my Canon XTi so I would go for the MacBook Pro.
- Kapil
5D, but that's cuz I've been saving up for one. A new MBP would def. be on the list of future purchases (current computer is 3 years old)
- Michael
Canon 5d Mk II, far more useful than the new laptop. More fun. One encourages you to sit around, the other encourages you to go out :-)
- Richard A.
MacBookPro, Canon sux. (OK, relax, just kidding. I'm a Nikon guy. I have no Canon lenses.)
- Trevor Carpenter
Canon!!
- Ivy /composmentis
from twhirl
I would buy the Mac, get a cheaper camera with the money I have left, and edit and enhance my videos using my Mac.
- Shevonne
I'd go the Mac route. I'm looking to buy one anyway and I've already got a camera. Might not be as fancy as the Canon do-dad, but I'll manage.
- James Ferguson
Wow 202 comments! How did I miss this thread? :)
- AJ Batac
17 inch MCP
- johnpiercy
The 17" MBP as my current 12" PB is on it's last legs and needs replacing - need rather than want for me
- Sally Church
The Canon. I already have a 17" MacBook Pro.
- Carmen
The Canon... even though I already have a 5D and actually need a new laptop
- Shawn Duffy
from twhirl
Macbookpro
- Roger Kondrat
I'd say the MacBook... you can do more with it.
- Dejim Juang
EOS 5D
- Julien Guyard
This would be much more enjoyable if there was some kind of poll widget along side comments.
- Michael Leggett
The camera..I find apple laptops overpriced for what they offer.
- Nick
Would be easier to see at a glance.
- Richard A.
I'd by the largest HD display I could...
- Clay Newton
Canon 5D MKII. huh.. no: a powerful Linux box
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
The MacBookPro, I have a Canon 30d but I do not have a MacBook
- Bob Gannon
I wouldn't want a 17'' monster of a MacBookPro and therefore would go for the Canon 5D MKII
- Donald Townsend
Neither. Both are overpriced. If no other options; I'd go camera.
- Wade Dorrell
5D, the 17-inch MacBook Pro is very big. Harder to find bags for it and its less portable.
- seanb
bank it, put in matress, done need either of those things, we need smarter devices that tell us the likelyhood of use-longevitiy in them, "i'm a camera you bought last year, you used me 9 times, i collect dust, owner- please resist replacing me unless you really really really need to, and the data suggests you don't.."
- Dan Rockwell
from twhirl
Not enough to buy what I want with the Canon, and I wouldn't be caught dead spending $3000 on a laptop. What a waste!
- Paul Puri
Neither. A $3000 laptop is not worth it just because of its branding.
- Spencer
ohh.. I can't choose. I want both of them... But if i choose, first canon, second mac... İ have canon 40 d and 15'' mac book pro. And i don't like mac's new screen. It's like mirror...
- devletsah
Spencer: as a recent PC to Mac switcher, it's more than brand. Much more.
- Ryan
I'd buy a netbook for the other three members of my family and put the remaining $2000 toward bills or savings. :)
- Steve Lowe
Agree with Aaron, love my 13" Macbook and really want the 5D MKII
- Kyle
Definitely the Mac.
- John Clifton
Is this thing still going? I can't remember if I replied to this yet, but I say it depends on what will benefit you the most. Robert, you are a photo-maniac. I know that you have a few cameras laying around the house, but I don't know how many Macs you have. You have to remember that a 17" laptop sounds great on paper, but I know that you do a lot of traveling as well, so it might now suite your means. Then again, I would never keep $3,000 dollars in my pocket ;)
- Michael Forian
of course the mac - doesn´t matter what the second option is...
- Dieter Schwarz
I would buy the Canon 5D MKII but being a Nikonian I would end up buying the MacBook Pro and feel no remorse :)
- Carlos Lorenzo
MacBook Pro. I need a laptop really bad.
- Nick Humphries
The camera. 17-inch laptops are fricking ridiculous.
- Andru Edwards
camera and a box of junior mints
- Morgan Haley
I'd definitely go for a MB Pro. My Rebel XTi and Panasonic GS180 video cam is doing me just fine.
- emon hassan
Forget the Mac, keep your current camera, and buy better lenses.
- Michael Krigsman
17 inch laptop is useless in term of mobility so I would go with the Canon
- Hadar Weiss
A Sony a900. :)
- Jeff Jones
Neither. I'd start with the Bonobo Pro Ubuntu Laptop for under $2000 and use the $1000 to max it out. http://system76.com/product...
- Internet Strategist
Impressive amount of comments here, this has to be the highest ever now right?
- Joe Dawson
I'm sorry, can you repeat the question: did you say a "camera", a "computer" or a "shark with laser beams"?
- Micah Wittman
save the money for tougher times. as much as I'd like the Canon, it's going to be just an expensive toy for me. and my three year old Inspiron works just fine for the most things I do on it.
- Franci Penov
from twhirl
5Dm2 because I already have the new MBP 15" 2.8Ghz. Mostly b/c the cam is more revolutionary than the 17", even though the 17" battery life is enticing.
- Thomas Bøhm
Wow, 250 comments - OMG ...FF is really growing ...YEAH !!!
- Susan Beebe
Yeah, this week has produced several >100 comment threads in my feed.
- xero
Not the 5D, but some body+the best lenses, that actually lasts longer. Laptops are out of date in months and often die within 18, cameras and lenses last a lot longer
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I would buy a Apple 17-inch MacBookPro, only cause I already have a SLR, so I dont need the Canon 5D MKII.
- Colide81 (James)
I would not spend it, id rather invest 3000 dollars with 10 shares of google
- Kyle Weller
then just buy lenses - you probably already have a computer that can do everything you need
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Exxon-Mobile. Oh wait, what was the question again?
- Erik S
Neither- new hardware for the pending Win7 beta drop. :)
- Randy Holloway
from twhirl
both!
- jortai
@Ryan I am a Mac user, have been for a while. It's just my opinion, but $2800 for a piece of hardware in which you can the same or better specs on a PC, is quite a bit of branding.
- Spencer
Using the MacBook Pro 17 inch now (love it!)- and I am quite happy with my Canon Powershot G9, so I'll just take the cash and pay down some of my debt--thanks!
- Kelly W.
Canon 5D MKII then buy the 15" MacBook Pro later.
- John Wang
I would buy a new fast lens for my old 5D (around $1000) and save the rest.
- Alexander Arsky
Nikon E90 *and* a 15" Macbook. :) I bend rules.
- Daniel Miessler
Nikon E90 like Daniel :P
- Mol, Santa Claws
I already have the mac so I would take the Camera.
- WilliamMuncrief
is someone tabulating these answers?
- Glen Mistletoe
Canon 5d MKII, i'm not a mac person so that was easy.
- Squid
I've been back and forth on this since the 17" was announced. I am very likely to upgrade to the 5DMKII this year. But I want a more powerful laptop to work on the huge files it creates. Chicken? Egg? Confused.
- Jeremy Brooks
Canon 5D MKII for sure. MBP 15 is still chugging along after 2 years. And the 5D is still doing great after 1 year, but I would really like the new 5D.
- Johnny Sewell
5D Mark II , without a doubt!
- americanm
Caonon 5D all the way
- John Uppendahl
I don't want Gmail to "learn" when I click SPAM, rather an instant rule that forwards all future emails from that host to the the trash
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Good idea, and would be useful. Though at least it's good at putting the right things in the SPAM folder, and not anywhere else.
- Brendon Wadey
I'm guessing you've never accidently marked a legitimate email as spam? :)
- Shmoe
I couldn't agree with you more. It does a pretty good job but it's not perfect. Still not bad enough to make me stop using Gmail though *wink*.
- TheSleepyGeek
Agreed with Vermyndax on the host thing. Having said that, I've used Google Apps Mail since launch, and not one single piece of spam has hit my inbox. Spam is a non issue for me now, never even think of it.
- Matt Harwood
The Turkey recipe we're using: http://www.epicurious.com/recipes...
Niki Costantini, Dave Roth, Trish Haley and 5 other people liked this
What's the recipe you're using? We used this last year and it came out perfect.
- Robert Scoble
That's making me drool rather unattractively.
- Nicola Quinn
We dont have thanks giving in the UK. I'll proably just have a pizza for my tea tonite.. :) Not really a fan of Turkey anyway. Although the rest of yours does sound quite nice.
- Simon Wicks
We are deep frying turkey - so southern.
- Nation Hahn
Good will try to make a european turkey soon, thx
- Christian
We were going to try turducken but chickened out and ducked the issue.
- Stephen Cobb
Deep fry here as well. I'm a southerner at heart. Salt, Pepper, Garlic Powder, and rub - all applied last night. Will begin dethawing in a few minutes and start heating up the oil in an hour.
- Jesse Stay
Tell us all how it is. At Christmas I am cooking another Turkey!
- TheSleepyGeek
The house is starting to smell freaking awesome. Maryam is cooking some lamb too. Yummy!
- Robert Scoble
Our house has just entered the "smells good" phase! This just breeds the anticipation, which is awesome!
- Carlton Hackett
from IM
Ehi Rob, sorry for OT but i send you a DM on Twitter yesterday. Can u reply to me? Tks!
- Dario Salvelli
http://www.epicurious.com/recipes... (grilled, not under a brick).
- Alex Haar
cool. i needed to see the ratio of flour to turkey stock for gravy... one more thing i forgot to look up... i put herb butter (fresh rosemary, sage, thyme, and chives) under the skin and an onion, celery stalk, lemon, salt & pepper inside. I hope something magical happens by the time it comes out in a couple more hours.
- Trish Haley
We're going with Alton Brown's Good Eats Roast Turkey http://bit.ly/29d7Ji Make this, and you will be a hero.
- Dave Roth
We prepared a turkey with oranges and onions one year and it was good. But somehow I just prefer a turkey stuffed with traditional stuffing, which is what we are doing this year.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Is Twitter journalism? - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
Nicholas James, Chris Zlatis, Charlie Anzman and 33 other people liked this
It sure is a news source.
- Orli Yakuel
I am reporting that Maryam is stuffing the turkey. Yes, it is journalism.
- Robert Scoble
Hahaha, too funny. It's like a bird play by play.
- TheSleepyGeek
Oh, stuff that Robert. ;-) (It is not on the #mumbay scale, but it is journalism)
- Arne Hulstein
the true question is: What is journalism and how twitter can contribute to it
- Ouriel Ohayon
Twitter is useful when an event is ongoing. It becomes noisy in the aftermath.
- Paul
Journalism by definition is in the midst of such a profound shift in what it is that the question isn't really that interesting. I am just learning detail about Mubai from Twitter. I link to NYT or BBC or whatever, more often than not lately from Twitter. Everybody is different and that fact is more clear than ever now. Whatever works for you.
- Mary Anne Davis
@Orli, it sure is. I mean, self-aggrandizing aside, I post my newsfeeds on it.
- Terence
According to MW there are many definitions for Journalism. The last entry correlates to Twitter, IMHO. *Writing designed to appeal to current popular taste or public interest* Twitter by default, is a publishing and distribution channel. It "can be" a form of new journalism combined with an integrated wire service. Happy Thanksgiving!
- Brian Solis
No, it's more an eyewitness or spreading rumors thing. Journalism is (or should be) are more profound thing, but it can't be that fast.
- Michael Zehrer
What is journalism? The dictionary doesn't know: "the activity or profession of writing for newspapers or magazines or of broadcasting news on radio or television." Wikipedia says "Journalism is the profession of writing or communicating, formally employed by publications and broadcasters, for the benefit of a particular community of people.". If it is communicating to a group of people (broadcasting) it is. Most of us are a broadcaster, are we all journalists?
- Wilbert
Maybe Twitter as a website is journalism. It is an open community based on peer-review.
- Wilbert
+1 @Michael. It's more like source for journalism - firsthand accounts. Journalists usually report on events that happen to somebody else. Tweets are personal events/thoughts.
- Jared B. Luther
The collecting, writing, editing, and presenting of news or news articles in . . . & Written material of current interest or wide popular appeal. I think that the way many people use Twitter does hit that bar.
- Joel Ordesky
It sure is more than a news source. It's citizen journalism. And most times, Citizen Journalism is most accurate and fast than traditional media. Period.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
I think Amy Gahran has some good insights into how it can be great tool for it --> http://www.contentious.com/2008... ... I think it is an awesome resource but still not sure how to best use it. I am very much still exploring it but if everyone at SxSW for example hashtagged and tweeted I would think it surely is journalism.
- John D. Lemke
from twhirl
Twitter v Journalism is like data v information. I watched Twitter last night for the stream of data http://tinyurl.com/6b4wjj and I periodically checked the distillation of that data in Wikipedia http://tinyurl.com/5pbnde but I also read this morning's Washington Post article for the context and analysis http://tinyurl.com/6ya9cl . There's plenty of room for all three.
- Timothy B. Taylor
No, it's not. It's stream-of-conciousness stuff. It's the difference between data and information.
- Sean
Sean: that's bullshit. I can tell a pretty good story in 140 characters.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: you have absolutely no idea what journalism is if that's what you believe. Journalism is the act of me telling you what is happening. No more, no less. I can do a LOT of journalism in 140 characters.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, can you elaborate on how to tell a story in 140 characters? (In less than 140 characters, of course.)
- Tom Landini
Tom: it's partly sunny in Half Moon Bay. That's a story. That's journalism. All in 140 characters.
- Robert Scoble
Even better, downstairs Maryam is yelling at me to baste the turkey. :-)
- Robert Scoble
It's bright and sunny this morning in Berkeley, temperature in the low 60s. This post is 109 characters long.
- Dave Winer
My name is David Winer. This post is 57 characters long.
- Dave Winer
I think this discussion is pointless. Stop the presses! This post is 88 characters long.
- Dave Winer
I've never liked the term "story", gives me connotations of something made up. I know that's not true (sometimes ; ) ). I do think twitter is too limiting for indept analysis, but that's what links are for. Twitter can be used to give flash updates and track an event, but then so can anything that allows you to receive such nibbles of data. It's just another tool.
- alphaxion
in a way; all the major news orgs have twitter feeds however, their posts lead to links of their online stories which are of course a lil more in depth: sometimes
- sofarsoShawn
Robert and Dave: Those statements do tell me what is happening. And I guess that can be a basic form of journalism. But they don't tell me why I might want to pay attention to that. Maybe I was thinking more in the dramatic than the journalistic sense. Good discussion here.
- Tom Landini
There goes Winer again, trying to make a point in a pointless discussion!
- Robert Scoble
Tom: if I wanted you to pay attention I would have said "Free sex under partly cloudy Half Moon Bay skies."
- Robert Scoble
I think the question is whether stuff on twitter can be "Good" journalism
- Wilma Stoneflint
it's istant source of information which could lead to a big news!
- Christian
Robert: No link? No video?
- Tom Landini
Memo to Daily Print News Business: Surrender the breaking news beat and focus on analysis and perspective.
- Eric Schwartzman
For an excellent analysis of this issue see "Overload!Journalism’s battle for relevance in an
age of too much information" in the current issue of the Columbia Journalism Review http://tinyurl.com/6dxbmj
- Timothy B. Taylor
microjournalism, sometimes.
- susan mernit
Heated Traction Mats - http://forevergeek.com/general...
We really could use this up in Canada! Too bad they are so expensive!
- TheSleepyGeek
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