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Leo is wondering why Chinese officials block Facebook but allow My Space?
Gus, alfred westerveld, Amir and 31 other people liked this
Rupert Murdoch!
- Kate Foy
A beginning is still a beginning .. but yeah Mr. Murdoch probably had something to do with it.
- John Blanton
Rupert can scare even hard-ass, old Chinese officials.
- Christopher A Carr
@Christopher Carr ..now that's scary.
- John Blanton
Rather, it's Rupert Murdoch's wife.
- shruti
simple...Myspace executives know where the better KTV's are.
- jack
What's a KTV?
- Jeff
Leo - great question!!
- Susan Beebe
A KTV is a karaoke lounge where patrons get private rooms that come with hostesses. A LOT of business in China gets done inside KTVs ;).
- jack
I was travelling in the Middle East recently and all sorts of sites were blocked but it was inconsistent. Tiny URL was blocked but bit.ly was not. Left me scratching my head ....
- Jeff
Proof that communists are pervs.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
in this case i'm not sure if you are referring to communists as the chinese or myspace officials. rofl.
- jack
It can't be Murdoch. The Chinese government limits what STAR TV broadcasts to mainland China by threatening to block access if they don't like the programming.
- Garmon Estes
Maybe its because people are too busy changing thier layout every few minutes to be subversive. ;-)
- Tom Silk
from twhirl
Do you know there's a site even more stinky than myspace.com,it's myspace.cn(MySpace China),in 2007,all myspace Chinese users were almost forced to move their accounts from MySpace.com to MySpace China,cos "Myspace.cn fully complies with all the government rules and regulations surrounding the internet in China"
- ThenWang
Money, money, money, money......MOOOOOOONEY
- Tom Barton
Probably because of some kind of data mining agreement like the big search providers had to make. Perhaps Facebook won't give in.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
No one uses MySpace and China knows it :o)
- Tony
maybe something to do with the music industry?
- Peter Pham
Because there are zero Intellectuals on MySpace.
- Chris Abraham
Perhaps because Facebook still matters? Ouch!
- Andy
perhaps because they are busy with camouflage of Uygur Turks' genocide? there are tons of videos and protests on facebook, which will have a strong viral power.
- Göze Sencer
"Chinese government is accused of committing genocide and cultural-economical discrimination against Uygur Turks. Note: some photos are not suitable because of the bloody scenes they have recorded." http://azerblog.com/depo...
- Göze Sencer
i don't know, may be its not one of the main reasons, and other reasons can have more priority.. but i just questioned this option in this period also.
- Göze Sencer
Both sites are in Chinese (http://zh-cn.facebook.com/ and http://www.myspace.cn/), not sure why only Facebook was blocked at that time. Interesting observation. http://tinyurl.com/nw59lv
- mahjongmi
Yes, i dont know which media are more powerful in getting viral impact, as i said. But its true that, even yesterday 196 uygur turks were executed by shooting and 1500 were arrested, 600 of them can not be reached. source: http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/dunya... , and it is also painfull to see that world is silent and reactionless.
- Göze Sencer
Because MySpace is a fate worse than hell.
- CannonGod
I think Goze puts an interesting aspect, whether it's a technical desicion to cencor facebook instead of myspace, still Uyghurs' blood spreading around Chinese streets. I am wondering how come human rights organizations are so silent about the "genocide" against Uyghurs. Free Tibet activists ought to be the supporter of Free Eastern Turkistan Movement
- volkan ekiz
from iPhone
Chris Abraham wins the thread.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
very simple...in china, NO ONE CARES or uses myspace....
- Weird Shanghai
Yay, w00t, I win! Thanks, Mark.
- Chris Abraham
from Android
What? Really? Maybe because they know MySpace has no active users, or people with creativity. Sorry. But Facebook and Twitter are way better.
- Zachary TG
Leo - do they know any better?
- Rob Cairns
stupidity?
- Bradley Farless
I think it cannot be so easy and simple. Please dont think it as a simple action. Thats not important what citizenship we belong, In 2009 how can somebody make a genocide? And how can we be unresponsive? Dont pass over Goze's opinions! Its not a funny situation for somebody
- Omer Ekinci
Chinese government just executed 164 Uyghurs few days ago.
- volkan ekiz
Chinese government has blocked friendfeed...
- kang
Facebook is more popular with active generation. MY Space users are usually younger and less dangerous to a closed society.
- Stephan Romeo
I guess because maybe even the Chinese know that Myspace is no longer relevant.
- James Hague
sounds much like Obama to me.... czars , czars and more czars...
- John Hillestad
It would confuse the Chinese gov't to have to monitor their people on another site... in other words, MySpace is "owned" by the state and doesn't want to duplicate their spying efforts. P.S. - I wish FF would add a Comment button at the bottom of the comments so we didn't have to scrrrrolll all the way back up.
- Gus
Anyone need a copy of Concurrent DOS?
Dan Hsiao, Sam Harmon, TheSleepyGeek and 17 other people liked this
Available for PPC machines? :)
- directeur
Reminds me of tricking out a Commodore 64 so that it operated as 4 16K machines all at the same time (via Computer magazine).
- Mike Reynolds
Install it on a netbook.
- Steve Rubel
Is it on 3.5" disks?
- Gabe
Where did you get a copy of that, out of curiosity?
- Tyson Key
Would a copy of Windows v1.03 on 5.25" diskette trump CDOS...? http://andrewterry.com/2009... :-)
- Andrew Terry
I remember finding some Elonex OEM'd copies of MS-DOS and Windows 3.0 on 3.5" ages ago (came on about 6 floppies each), but I'm not sure if I still have them. Other than some disk image files of Banyan VINES, I don't think I have anything older handy that still runs on x86 without an emulator (barring Windows 95, or an ancient version of something like Photoshop or Corel WordPerfect).
- Tyson Key
I still have the books for DOS 6, Win 3.0, 95 and 98 SE but they're brand new products compared to that. I envy the good condition... :)
- Bogdan Costea
Paul, can you please load these up and make a vmware image, or some onlineable version of this? would be so awesome.
- Rob Schonberger
Ha, I love the "art" on these old computer manuals. But it's not as good as this classic: http://globalnerdy.com/wordpre...
- Joel Webber
I liked the old MS-DOS logo, as used on the manuals, for what it's worth.
- Tyson Key
LockTight: Lock Your Mac with a Keystroke - http://www.appscout.com/2009...
Arlan Koizumi, Brad McCrorey, Zach Holmquist and 7 other people liked this
I lock mine by moving the cursor to the bottom left.
- Dustin Sallings
alternatively, you can assign a hot corner to start screen saver
- Çağatay Gürtürk
I've used this one for a while. It helped a lot of dev-weenies I used to support to make the transition from Windows to OSX (they missed the old windows-L screen lock feature)
- Brad McCrorey
@martinschecter TweetDeck is DEFINITELY a leaky memory hog. I have to reboot the Mac it runs on once a day otherwise it just gets too slow.
Jeff DiStanlo, Sonya Smith, Tapio Kulmala and 11 other people liked this
Just restarting Tweetdeck doesn't fix it? You actually have to reboot? I use Tweetdeck on my Mac and on Windows, and when I see it using too much memory (e.g. > 100M) I just kill it and restart it.
- Joey Gibson
Hah, was installing while I read this and aborted the installation, can't afford it. Thanks for pointing out
- Cristian Vidmar
You should tweet your issues to @tweetdeck. Iain answers just about every question and would love the feedback. BTW, restarting Tweetdeck (and sometimes killing AIR) should fix any Mem issues.
- Chris
Joey >100M? I had it open for several hours and it had grabbed almost a half GIG!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Chris: TweetDeck just responded and said they are working with Adobe on the memory issue.
- Robert Scoble
Awesome. I assumed it was an AIR issue and not Tweetdeck as I have noticed the same issues with Twhirl and other AIR apps. Glad Iain got back to you so fast. See Twitter is still good for some things.
- Chris
You shouldn't have to reboot for an AIR memory leak; restarting Tweetdeck should be enough.
- liz4cps
I restart TweetDeck a couple times a day. It's more Adobe Air than TweetDeck. Twhirl went through the same issues. Like others said here, a reboot is complete overkill for Mac OS X.
- Bwana ☠
liz4cps sometimes my machine seems wonky after TweetDeck sucks up all resources, though. It's usually easier just to reboot the whole machine and more reliable. Maybe I don't really need to do that, and maybe this is just bad learned behavior, though, from Windows. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm using Vista and I just restart TweetDeck to solve the leak. It does seem to be an Adobe AIR issue though.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Generally speaking, all AIR apps are memory suckers :(
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
completely agree Jean-Charles, I've had memory issues with most if not all AIR apps, particularly Twitterific. Too bad the apps are so useful, the price is worth paying. I haven't had to reboot my mac though, just close the app and re-initiate.
- Lou Paglia
SkyDeck - cool cell phone service http://m.kyte.tv/ch...
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Scoble - you going to DLD?
- Keith Teare
from IM
Interesting. I tried it a few months ago when Skydeck was going to be a social network for cell phone records. This is quite a change.
- John Craft
SkyDeck is pretty cool but switching providers seemed to be impossible: had to delete my old account and create a new one.
- Mark Trapp
Gave it a shot but they have closed this out to the damn Canucks. Or did Canadian providers keep them out. That sounds more likely.
- TheSleepyGeek
Love the service.
- Russellreno
Keith: nope. Too many days away from my baby.
- Robert Scoble
How To Migrate Your Feedburner Account To Your Google Account - http://shegeeks.net/how-to-...
Nicholas James, Kol Tregaskes, dK and 3 other people liked this
woah - what happened to my pro stats :-(
- Alex Gawley
i can't see site stats anymore
- Alex Gawley
I write some alternatives to Feedburner: http://www.dariosalvelli.com/2009...
- Dario Salvelli
Alex Google got rid of site analytics. You'll have to use Google Analytics now.
- Corvida
what?! that's crazy
- Alex Gawley
what about my history?
- Alex Gawley
BTW corvida I *love* your tag cloud
- Alex Gawley
got an error message during migration :-(
- Jeroen De Miranda
Thanks Alex. @Jeroen you might have to contact tech support....oh boy.
- Corvida
It's an all-new way to enjoy your inconsistent feed stats. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Tech Layoffs Come Back With a Vengeance: 80,000 In January, Approaching 200,000 Total - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Kol Tregaskes, TheSleepyGeek, Vishwas Narendra and 2 other people liked this
I love Robert Scoble. Here's why:
Denise Howell, Barry Deutsch, Iggy Kin and 117 other people liked this
Robert Scoble is starting to use Friendfeed like a blogging platform with his chronic "here's why" postings. I think that's pretty cool. If FF expands the text field and supports domains, it could get interesting here.
- Steve Rubel
Supporting domains would be HUGE
- andy brudtkuhl
The practice is very good if you have enough followers who can engage with you and their comments are interlinked with your own, unlike the typical blog that has the body and comments below. But if you don't have a following, you're talking to yourself.
- Louis Gray
Robert is the only one who can do this effectively right now. In order for FF to become an effective blogging platform, it needs more features which I fear would hinder it
- Bwana ☠
Robert's coverage of CES using FriendFeed was good too. As he walked around he took pictures and posted them right away to FriendFeed along with simple captions. Details could be added later.
- Loren Heiny
@Louis - Agreed... Sometimes it does feel like you are talking to yourself on FF - especially if you are posting topics. But it's easy to get into the conversation, and that part I love
- andy brudtkuhl
I would seriously consider doing this for the real-time interaction but for one thing: don't the FF "blog" posts become ephemera? It seems like in a day or two they disappear. A blog lives forever and is Googleable.
- Leo Laporte
Scobez is fearless and willing to try anything new and seems to be constantly trying to improve himself and his relationship with his audience. Even with his Jupiter-sized ego, he seems to be a genuinely nice, honest guy. That's why I'm one of his legion of fans.
- Internet's Tad
You could subscribe to your FF via RSS and archive it with a 3rd party app/etc. is something that comes to mind if FF themselves don't provide a way to directly store everything forever.
- Ari Braginsky
Let's not forget that folks can interrupt you as you blog... that will get annoying for the blogger and the reader
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Leo: FriendFeed gets indexed: my FriendFeed page has a PR of 5. And posts exist forever, you can bookmark and link to direct posts from the start of FriendFeed. The big issue is the pager, which only goes back 21 pages right now.
- Mark Trapp
Leo, every FF post has a permalink even if you can't get to it via the pagination at the bottom of your feed. Older items show up no problem via search (FF or search engine) or again via that permalink.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Leo, ephemera is part and parcel of the internet in general. :)
- Internet's Tad
@Leo I would think better support for multimedia too.
- Steve Rubel
I think that FF should be both a blogging platform (with support for long, paragraphed posts and inline media) and an RSS reader with ability to have full feed popups (a la iGoogle's Google Reader widget). Those that don't want those features don't have to use them -- I want them.
- Brian Sullivan
Rob, please no cussin' in my stream. Please edit. Also, why do obscenities fly here more than they do on Twitter or blogs?
- Steve Rubel
dont know... ask ya mate scoble why he said it in a 14 year olds stream? I dont cuss mate... just stating what he said. sorry...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Deleted your comment. Sorry. This feed is family friendly. Happy to have your point but without the word.
- Steve Rubel
Rob, without a profile at FF it's really hard to know anyone's age so I don't think your connection of calling a 14 yr old a name is valid if he didn't know that person's age. I knew the person you're referring to is young but not everyone else does. I just found out a few days ago there's another 8th grader subscribed to my feed, even though based on conversation I would have assumed he was about 5-10 years older.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Steve: I blocked Rob so can't see his comments. I also blocked the 14 year old for being a jerk too.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah....but it was already stated in the tread he was 14....just shocvking.. i got a 14 yr old..well nex week he is... and i would be funing if scoble or anyone said that to hm.... its not good...and yet people stick up for scoble here... censoring me as steve did, no problem, it shows true colours of peoples perspective... we all learn from it, but just saying we should be seeting an example to younger ones.
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob, I am not censoring you. Your last comment remains. I just remove curses since these all end up in my lifestream feed which has a few thousand subs.
- Steve Rubel
No worries steve... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob -- you are really being a troll
- Brian Sullivan
I like the echo effect Robert has. If he throws a stone into the pond, you can watch it ripple for several hours on FriendFeed and Twitter. Some of us (and I include myself here), throw stones and they sink to the bottom:-). I think he's living proof that it's not about the number of people who follow you, but how active and engaged that audience is that does.
- Brandon Mendelson
you think so Brian? well thats according to whatever definition you give it.... i am whats the word..talking in my definition, I know a troll when i see one, I know what they are like and I dont act that way... maybe I shouldn't have unintenionally hijacked the thread... sorry if I did...never meant that...just sick of the hypocrisy.
- Rob Sellen :o)
+ 100 on Tad's first comment on why he's a fan ...
- Patrick Jordan
me too me too :) and Steve Rubel Ace. :)
- YusufOzanTasdemir
I can live with the occasional profanity but try writing in English, Rob. You sound like Vicky Pollard from 'Little Britain'.
- Andy C
Nice anology brandon... shame that in a sense its partly because of what you said about "sink to the bottom comments" is what ultimately will lead a possible divide here on ffeed.... its already starting in my mind..and in my experience it was scoble who started that divide by blocking what i see because it didn't suit him.
- Rob Sellen :o)
andy..... how the hell do you make a join like that?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Andy, Rob is deaf and it's possible that his method of 'speaking' i.e. his writing might be shaped by that. Seriously FriendFeed, THIS is why we NEED profiles, to keep us from accidentally stepping on each others toes like this!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Nice point Tina. :o) true, my speech was shaped by reading, why i say it is so important to read, write, its communication...the world currency...proud to not ever had to use signing. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I signed out so I could see what Rob was saying. I had no idea that the 14-year-old was 14 when I was talking with him. I assume everyone here is an adult and treat them as such until they prove otherwise. I blocked Rob because he is a jerk and a troll and I blocked the 14-year-old for the same reason. Sorry, but I won't get along with everyone here.
- Robert Scoble
LOL friendfeed is Scoble's unofficial Blog
- sofarsoShawn
shawn...if so...that is worrying!
- Rob Sellen :o)
People tend to love the Scobles XD
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
We all have the ability to act like 8th graders, we just don't need to.
- Greg GuitarBuster
Andy....foot in mouth springs to mind..... doh! steve you DID censor me then...removing that post...maybe not censoring me overall, but... I get the picture anyway. .. zu... "people".??.. speak for yourself.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Back to Scoble's "here"/"here's" posts. It was noted by Mark Trapp last night that his formulation not only works on FriendFeed, but also works when he propagates his FriendFeed posts to Twitter. I have pictures: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Ontario Emperor
I agree that FF is a great blogging platform, but it can also be used to combine with an actual better blogging platform. I use WordPress to blog and then the conversations around the post here are automatically pulled into the post on WP. I think that's the best of both worlds actually. The reader does have to click at least once to the blog but you can also post part of the post here to engage people who don't want to click through.
- Thomas Hawk
oh, and I love Robert's enthusiasm in all that he does as well.
- Thomas Hawk
I've been asking for blogging features in FF since I started using it. Glad to see Steve supports this point of view: maybe now someone will listen and less people will complain and argue that FF IS NOT a blogging platform (of course it isn't, but it could be MORE THAN JUST THAT!)
- Jordi Soler
Scoble is da man. I also enjoy Micro Persuasion greatly. :) :) :)
- J. D. Ebberly
sometimes I wish Scoble was my dad
- sofarsoShawn
Shawn, he's Luke's father!
- Steve Rubel
from IM
So just starting a converation by posting a topic is now considered "blogging"? Posting a list of bullet points intertwined with other peoples comments might be interesting to some folks, but I wouldn't call it "blogging", and I really can't get into it myself. There's enough noise in the system now that injecting it in between sentences of a "blog post" really isn't necessary, IMHO.
- Ken Sheppardson
I can just look at his "likes" and get all caught up on the day. RS is the editor needed for the real-time web. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.
- Sarah Perez
Relentless, a great quality in a person.
- adolfo foronda
http://bit.ly/8I1r @web3ff, @Duma, @oharaville, @TA125, @globalnomad *After* the ObamaWeb2-Hype -what's popular *now* ?”
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
I'm going to get a tattoo of Robert Scoble, because I can...
- Joe Dawson
He should be the nation's CTO
- Richard Binhammer
CTO?? what is that? and no he shouldnt...he is a nobody... outside this circle online noone knows who he is...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Robert Scoble's smart and fun.
- Igor Poltavskiy
I think Scoble would laugh if you suggested that. There is a huge difference between being a blogger/journalist and reporting and analysing, and being a CTO supposed to give technology leadership and guidance, make the decisions and see them through. PS: the best CTOs actually are nobody too, people don't know them. This is something that needs correction as technology is so key to so many businesses. And inventing a more business-ey CIO position is not necessarily the right solution. soapbox off.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Robert is a fun mixture of tech geek, open-minded blogger, and a very human and passionate advocate of his interests!
- Hayk H.
Cheers for Robert lovers
- Rachael Depp
do I have to hang out with terrorist sympathizers like McBride to get love? down with Scoble the fail whale. down with his sphere and spit on his feed. Steve Rubel don't you know that Scoble is bad PR for you? don't you know the only people who appreciate him are people who want to see bad things happen to the guy. He is lower then low. a total scum bag that looks to hang out with turds.
- Noah David Simon
I have gone from thinking Roberts feed too noisy to actually searching for his "here's why" posts - great conversations
- Peter Efland
amazing that with all the followers he has you can only get under 100 people to comment and say they like the fat jerk
- Noah David Simon
Man crush!!!!
- Jeremiah Owyang
OK, everyone, back to work. Thanks for the compliments!
- Robert Scoble
It's been said above - but very few people on FF can really do this. I think more quality gets missed on this platform than others. There are good posts shared that get 2 comments (if any) and Scoble can write a 4 word post that even he would admit was "noise" and have it get 100. But - it will grow and it's def. a trend worth watching....
- George Smith
George: I think that's bull. I see a LOT of posts here (10s of thousands if I'm active) and you're not missing many high quality ones, believe me. Why? Anything that's decent quality I like and comment on so you see it.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I see lots of posts that are "high quality" that you neither liked nor commented on so I can't help but thinking that there are hundreds or thousands of posts that are "high quality" that you miss either because you just don't see them or your quality standards are different. BTW your statement that you can actually view and digest 10's or thousands of posts is suspect at best.
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: it's very easily provable that if I'm online I am able to digest 10s of thousands of posts. By the way, anything you like or comment on I see on my window. I have a very specific bias. I like geeky posts that make me smarter about technology, science, or business. There's lots of funny stuff here that I don't get involved in for the most part. I do see a lot of it, though.
- Robert Scoble
By the way you are welcome to check out my inbound and tell me all the cool posts I miss here: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
"Easily provable" -- not sure how -- so we are talking about 10s of thousands over what period? And what percentage of the total FF posts is that? I am assuming you are referring to English posts only?
- Brian Sullivan
It's a small percentage of the ff posts, but here's the rub: good stuff gets likes and keeps coming up. Even stuff I don't touch. There are tens of thousands of people reading here. I always check "best of" lists. So, if something isn't getting attention and you care you gotta figure out why. I read 10s of thousands of posts per day. Provable.
- Robert Scoble
So you are saying that you can read and digest 11 posts a minute (that is one every 6 seconds) (assuming a 16 hour day and 10000 posts in that period). I think you are trying to play to your super hero image. I assume you eat, go to the bathroom, and do other things during the day?
- Brian Sullivan
Scoble is full of it. I say Prove it Scoble.
- ld
I love reading this sentence in your post: "These days, I would rather post to Friendfeed and let Twitter scoop it all up." I was really active in twitter prior to joining Friendfeed, but now I just post to FF and let twitter scoop it up.
- Alan Le
My key conveyor/transmission belt: Google Reader > Friendfeed > Twitter.
- Sean McBride
@brianjking I like TweetDeck because it dominates my screen. Hey, watch http://www.kyte.tv/channel... and will show you why.
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Having a look... thinking about Kyte actually now that I am watching this :)
- TheSleepyGeek
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tweet-a-watt tweets your power usage! http://blog.makezine.com/archive...
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You know, I don't care what it is, but... I don't want a "buttload" of anything. Ever.
Victor Ganata, Kol Tregaskes, tinypants - Hagitha of FF and 16 other people liked this
Good call.
- John Holzer
from Nambu
I prefer 'butt-tonne'
- Johnny Worthington
Metric, or standard, Johnny?
- Alex Scoble
I'll got standard... breaking it down, 'butt-kilo' just doesn't have the same ring to it
- Johnny Worthington
Yeah but Metric Butt-Tonne has a nice ring to it.
- Alex Scoble
But what about a Standard Butt-Pound?... wait, what?
- Johnny Worthington
In my office, the popular term for "a lot" of something is "shit ton." I've never heard that anywhere else, but it gets used in the office a "shit ton."
- Joey Gibson
hehe - 'ring'
- WorldofHiglet
I'm glad you didn't post this to the Really Gay Room, Chris. The results would have been ugly.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Same goes for a "shitload." I don't want any of that, either.
- l0ckergn0me
I'll go a bit further and not care for a load of anything.
- Dave Ferrick
Depends on who's butt and the definition of said "load"
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Epic epic thread...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Urban Dictionary's top definition - "N. 1. An extremely large quantity of anything that takes up space. 10x bigger than an assload , and 100x bigger than a shitload , yet smaller than a truckload." http://www.urbandictionary.com/define...
- jcunwired
You can't really load that much money in a butt, can you?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Rahsheen, I've never tried.
- l0ckergn0me
Put the boogie in your butt Put, put the boogie in your butt In your butt Put the boogie in your butt Put, put the boogie in your butt I ain't puttin no boogie in nobody's butt That's nasty, man What you talkin about Puttin boogie in people's butt Are you out yo mind or something? Could go to jail for doin something like that Well step aside my friend I been doing it for years I say,...
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- Lisa L. Seifert
Just a little Eddie Murphy for your reading pleasure. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw this post. :-)
- Lisa L. Seifert
@The_Rooster That is not enough. The market has changed. No longer is a $2,800 computer "cool." now a $500 netbook is.
Thomas Hawk, Ashish Rangole, bcultral and 5 other people liked this
I just can't seeing paying that much for any computer anymore.
- Chris Patterson
Dust off your 5 year old laptop and put a new battery in it. Isn't that just as powerful as a netbook?
- Eric @ CS Techcast
My notebook computer was only $800. At this rate, eventually it'll be cool.
- Morton Fox
Dan Lyons takes on Jim Goldman on CNBC - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Fake Steve Jobs takes CNBC's Jim Goldman to task for getting the Steve Jobs health story so wrong. Fast Forward to the 3:33 mark to hear things get heated. Gizmodo's gotta be loving this clip.
- Thomas Hawk
Why doesn't he just apologize?
- Mona Nomura
Lyons is right.
- Leo Laporte
I guess Goldman's defense is that 1) his sources aren't very good, and 2) in trusting their info he wasn't very discerning.
- Joe Knapp
What's his defense for being so harsh on Gizmodo and then not having the decency / balls to be equally enthusiastic about admitting he got it wrong - about them and the whole thing?
- Patrick Jordan
I *like* Windows 7, but Microsoft still needs to address legacy font issues in the shell - cleaning up Basic and Classic modes, too. Sloppy.
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I agree. The interface is much improved but they seem to have fixed the complex blunders from Vista. Now they need to work on the simple things they changed, some that never should have.
- TheSleepyGeek
Classic mode is beyond ugly. I couldn't believe it. Ya think they're trying to get us move on? :)
- Bwana ☠
Classic mode IS ugly on purpose.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Eric, Bwana - remember, some of us run Windows in Classic mode because we can't use Aero in a VM. *sigh* My Vista font fix works quite well in Windows 7, happily. http://chris.pirillo.com/fix-win...
- l0ckergn0me
I prefer to use Classic even without a VM. I can't believe they butchered it. I always revert to classic on my windows installations
- Bwana ☠
Playing around on Windows 7 tonight. So far reminds me alot of Vista, with some I think visual changes that give a hint of Mac influence. Still to early, to tell, but no complaints yet.
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I have played around a bit with it. Looks a little cleaner and their UI changes are for the better. I think they need to do more however.
- TheSleepyGeek
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Huckabee dumps PC for Mac - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Bizarre. Huckabee mentions how he switched from PC to Mac, and that it was a 'breeze'! Not sure how I feel about sharing something in common with Huckabee.
- Paul Grav
from Bookmarklet
I love Huckabee. He's a creationist loon (among other religious aspects i strongly disagree with) but that doesn't distract from him seeming to be a sincerely good person.
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I heart Huckabees. Bad movie. Worse politician.
- Fleagle
palm part 3 http://m.kyte.tv/ch...
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"If you know CMS, HTML, XML, you can design for this platform." - OK, did NOT see that coming.
- John Craft
"removable battery" . . . "cheesy virtual keyboard" . . . heh.
- John Craft
Man, this is just embarrassing for Palm. The Pre is such a BLATANT iPhone clone. Even the icons look the same. Kind of sad, really. It seems there's no more creativity at Palm...
- Josh Bancroft
See also http://blog.palm.com/ for liveblogging (and yes, we see it Robert - thanks).
- John Craft
Have we really gotten to the point where anything that's hand-sized with a full screen and any kind of icons is instantly dubbed an 'iPhone ripoff'? Sigh.
- Ken Sheppardson
It feels like they are trying to catch up but I need to be wowed to consider them again. They need to innovate!
- TheSleepyGeek
Josh, I disagree when you say embarrassing. I think this looks pretty damn good
- Ryan
Robert - Live video streaming of the announcement is not permitted.
- Palm_Inc
Palm made the same mistake Apple did with their first iPhone. No 3G.
- Jared Mehle
No 3G? GDGT says EVDO Rev. A
- Tristan McCann
Did palm tell engadget and gdgt.com to shut down their liveblog as well?
- Ken Sheppardson
Live blogging via text or photos is permitted, but live video streaming is not permitted
- Palm_Inc
Palm_inc: Can we know why that is?
- TheSleepyGeek
Palm_inc: with all due respect, that makes no sense these days. You should've streamed this yourselves. Very 2007ish.
- Ken Sheppardson
Palm_inc: Why on earth not? Don't you want the free advertising?
- Deborah Fitchett
Watch the entire Palm Pre Announcement at http://twurl.nl/63dl1t
- Palm_Inc
Palm_Inc: Put it up in something people actually use. Quicktime is dead.
- Chris Johnson
I am starting to think friendfeed is a scoble groupie hangout. No ofence to anyone, but it seems to be that way at the moment, everything he post gets dowzens of replies, drowns out anything else others share, and stauff I ask as well as others gets ignored!
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I asked a simple question..hours ago,. reshared it a few times... NOT ONE reply. nice.
- Rob Sellen :o)
I hide some of his stuff after awhile, but it is true that it buries other just for others. Then again, a lot of stuff does that. Like the "reading goals" and other stuff
- Tyler (Chacha)
All he does is promote anything that benefits him, pimp some tech stuff...yet people fawn over it.... its .... sad.
- Rob Sellen :o)
You have to realize, Scoble has an estimated 22,000 subscribers http://ffholic.com/UserSub..., including many of the most active FFers. His network is exponentially bigger than yours so he gets more interactions.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I agree that his stuff gets a lot of comments, but that happens when you have as many followers as he does. I disagree on the fact that it buries everything else. I see everyone elses stuff much more then I see his.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I know and realise that....but.... its really out of hand. he is not THAT interesting really.... lol
- Rob Sellen :o)
The hide button is your friend.
- Derrick
but what do you hide??? lol... it seems he is connected with every post here.....
- Rob Sellen :o)
+1 Derrick
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Don't hate the player man. Popular stuff is popular, what'cha gonna do?
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Mathew... I know what you mean, as I have said elsewhere on here its not HIM, it the fact everyone post sometjhing on his things... so it looks scoble-busy if ya like... ;o) I got nothing against him or anyone following him.. just gets.... I dont know, frustrating.
- Rob Sellen :o)
I would have answered your question if I knew the answer, Rob. It may be that you just don't have knowledgeable people among your subscribers. I know I've asked stuff that's fallen on dead ears and I've also asked things that got a lot of responses... it varies by time of day and who happens to be browsing.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Hey we all get ignored. Even my kids ignore me; it's something we have to learn to live with. We are just insignificant amoeba in the FriendFeed pool of life. Keep your chin up. Robert who? Oh Scoble. If you ask a question and don't get a reply after a few hours it might be time to ask it again. A few hours is a long time on FriendFeed. Questions about FriendFeed are more likely to be answered than questsions about your operating system or Java updates.
- Chris Loft
Anyone want to go on a Rob Sellen Liking Spree(SM), to boost morale? ;)
- Tyson Key
lindsay... I see your point....
- Rob Sellen :o)
patience, more subscriptions, and more interaction (you comment more) then it will come. There are some good tips on episode 1 of the FFundercats podcast http://FFundercats.com
- Josh Haley
I'm aware we all get ignored.... I did ask again after a few hours...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Sometimes I get responses on my posts in here, mostly I don't. I don't care. I feel I've done right with the world, if I share what I find interesting. If you do too, that's great. If not, either I'm a sorry-ass or you're missing out. I'm not going to dwell on which is the right option. Life's too short.
- Ian May
You can block Scobles FOAF's, Scoble himself or parts of Scobles aggregation, or put him in a list outside of the Home Feed.
- Mo Kargas
perhap you're subscribed the wrong or not enough people. perhaps you need to group the people you follow in a manner which better suits you
- Cee Bee
podcast arent no good to me...deaf, sorry about that. :o( But patience? I have that lol.. its just asking a question what you want an answer to is not something you want an answer to in weeks... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Now you have attention!
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
As for your Java question. Yes, it is safe to remove the additional versions of it that you've got installed.
- Tyson Key
See look at this thread for a perfectly good example..... you all answered ths..why? is it because I mentoned ffeed? or scoble?
- Rob Sellen :o)
How about using FriendFeed better Rob... A quick look back through your stream shows a lot of posting with no images or comment giving a summary of the article or blog post. Scoble knows how to post stuff with context, A single headline ain't gonna get me clicking...
- Johnny Worthington
ah... thanks.. so the old updates I can delete.... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Well.. i have been here what two weeks... gis a chance to learn how to use it better and I will.. :o) you answered this didnt you Johnny? why?
- Rob Sellen :o)
like johnny mentioned -- photos and descriptions of your posts help bring people into whatever topic or discussion you're trying to make. commenting on others' posts also helps people become familiar with you and take interest in what you might have to post in return. likewise, if you've been here only two weeks, there isn't any reason why you shouldn't be more patient with getting the hang of things as well
- Cee Bee
Well to be frank, cause you are bitching about someone who spends a lot of time and money going out and covering things. Stuff he finds IS interesting and his word carries weight. As you said, you have only been here 2 weeks and you decide to have a name-drop bitch post rather than observing and learning the techniques of making things popular. I mean no mallace by this but don't hate on Scoble just cause you ain't getting any play. We all went through it :)
- Johnny Worthington
I understand that, thanks.. I guess you cant have pics on everything tho...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Johnny... you miss it mate... if you read it i already said, and I also said in the past on here i dont have any problem with him or anyone.. I mentioned him because it IS related to him... how is that bitching? its me making an honest point....
- Rob Sellen :o)
Robert Scoble has been blogging forever and has a very well known blog / Twitter. If he didn't get the responses he got, it wouldn't still be around. Some of the assumptions and judgments you've made about him up on top are incorrect, Rob. :(
- Mona Nomura
also... his spent time here...not money... he CHOSE to spend all that tme here... thats sommat arrignton was saying about him.... now thats got bugger all to do with me... he gets paid by the seagate and fastcompany.. he pimps them here.. so, money...just time.
- Rob Sellen :o)
him spending money... just time... thats up to him, he aint doing it for nothing!
- Rob Sellen :o)
mona... what did I say wrong? Ill correct and apologise... :o/
- Rob Sellen :o)
"All he does is promote anything that benefits him, pimp some tech stuff...yet people fawn over it.... its .... sad. - Rob Sellen" <--- :( Robert is a tech enthusiast, just like me. i don't get paid by Palm, but almost all of my Tweets were about Pre. Why? Because it's CES and they had a keynote... :\
- Mona Nomura
well he does..... am I lying? he promtes seatgate, and fastcompany... and he gets paid by them... so...where is that wrong?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob... you do know what Robert Scoble does for a living don't you? He spends the money of his company traveling and finding things. And the second you mentioned his name and called it a Scoble groupie hangout, that's when it became a bitch post. You could have done it without the name, but then you wouldn't have gotten so much attention... Funny that, isn't it?
- Johnny Worthington
I mentioned that "scoble groupie" as thats what i meant... it looked that way, what else was i to call it?? how else to make the point? NO its not funny.. that IS parly why I said it... and as I said earleir in this thread.... was it HAT that got you to answer this? or that i mentioned ffeed?
- Rob Sellen :o)
r u drunk?
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
dont drink.
- Rob Sellen :o)
why would you even ask if I was drunk? what would make you think I was? or is that a stupid question you just ask?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Why don't you just block him if his content bothers you so much? And he doesn't just promote "anything that benefits him, pimp some tech stuff...yet people fawn over it..." What's wrong with being excited about technology? I hardly see his seatgate and FastCompany stuff come through - and if they do, I just ignore it since I'm not interested. But his CES coverage has been awesome. He streamed Palm's Keynote and shared pictures of gadgets BEFORE it hit the major blogs. What's wrong with that?
- Mona Nomura
Well, you could have implied that by saying 'certain personalities' or phrasing it better. I got back to my original point, if you are not getting the experience out of FriendFeed that you want, learn to use the tools better. Bitching about it gets you this type of reply.
- Johnny Worthington
Nothing "wronmg" with it mona.... i dont want to block his stuff.... does noone yet understand i am not JUST talking about what he post... its the fact everyone else also post on almost everything he post...which makes it seem frustrating... thng is, people are seemingly missing that pont I am trying to make.
- Rob Sellen :o)
"if you are not getting the experience out of FriendFeed that you want, learn to use the tools better." <-- Well said, Johnny. I don't understand people who continue to complain about the content they're seeing. There are several ways to change what you see in your feed. Do it and stop whining.
- Rochelle
I would do it... IF you read earlier i ask... what would i "hide"??
- Rob Sellen :o)
when I read your post, you misspelled words and used odd phrasing. My first, arguably poor, thought you were on a drunken rant. But, after further reflection, I realized that you could just be from another country and have poor English skills. After all, the Internet isn't American only and I should have thought before I typed. You, my friend, should take a lesson from my mistake....
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- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
See, now you're getting a lot of response. Everyone must have been busy yesterday. Today they've got nothing to do. Or else twitter must be down with a technical problem or something. You should subscribe to all of these people's feeds and your stream will be the richer for it. Are you sure you've not been drinking? What drugs are you on? Lighten up - this is fun and we will all enjoy ourselves . . . or else
- Chris Loft
Rob, sometimes you have to find something that interests people. I asked for people to share their thoughts about highrise and batchbook earlier today and got NO responses. I shared a picture of boobies and got a LOT of responses. What I have learned? People don't care anything about highrise or batchbook. They do, however, care a lot about boobies.
- Jason Shultz
like = block when I hit laptop (if you have to say no offense it means you know it will be offensive)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Hide the bits you don't want to see. Is this going to be a 'best of the day'?
- WorldofHiglet
Jason - get real... I am English...so poor English doesn't really cut it does it? Are you one of those who act like grammar police? I ask, because I dont feel iit is so important to be so "grammatically right" on places like this... a blog, yes, here and twitter? Not really. - to your other point.. yes I am subbed to him, as with many others... gonna taste more from the buffet..thanks. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I think Jason was just trying to make a point...
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Just to note, here.. I was afraid to add Robert, because I was worried I'd get lost in too much noise. I was quite content with him as a friend of a friend and i was still able to be involved and see what was going on.. I added him, last week, and I haven't really noticed much difference. If I don't reply or push (LIKE) your content, I either didn't see it or I don't have anything to add of value (like an answer to a question.) Time will help you.. if its too techie, you need to follow differently.
- Heidi Jeffers Thibodeau
Chris - I doubt thats it at all.. I would more likely believe its cos of two things.. 1, mentioned scoble.. 2 mentioned ffeed. ;o) Bu yeah I do sub to these people too... :o) FFeed may not be scoble.. but he sure seems pretty much in the centre of it. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob: Either HIDE everything from Scoble (that will stop the top level articles) or BLOCK him (that will block everything from him but you will still be able to see articles that he has commented on, although there would be a gap). Sorry to get so down on you but Scoble works damn hard, and he has a young family, and we should cut him some slack sometimes.
- Johnny Worthington
It's important to build your own network, Rob. Do you have at least one other friendfeeder interested in the same things as you in an IM client somewhere? If so, send them links to articles they would find interesting and vice versa...even if they don't comment it will at least get you one like that will help you float on the top page longer than a microsecond.
- Alex Scoble
I know he is... so am I. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob, email me if you want to talk about any of this further. :)
- Heidi Jeffers Thibodeau
johnny.. cut him slack? I have a family too... I work hard... but.... thats not an excuse... i dont want to BLOCK him thats the whole bloody point.... its irrelvant IF I block or hide him... so many others I sub to are friends of his.. so... on that note I still see alot of what he comments on. I dont want to ignore him.... see what i am saying?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Posts like this always make me scratch my head. I don't subscribe to him, barely know who he is, and only see the occasional post through FOAF.
- Alix Whitmire
Storming into FF and demanding answers is not the way to enter the community. Or any.. Have some patience and try to fit in to get a feel of how things works. It's like you're going to Mexico and demanding sushi when you don't even speak Spanish.
- Rodfather
I suppose Robert is prolific, but I'm subscribed to like 400 people (most of whom are pretty active) so his posts don't overwhelm me. Maybe that's the key...
- Her Lindsay-ness
rodfather... "storming into here and demading answers"??? wtf? yeah rght. :o/ I never ONCE demended anything fromn ffeed... get real and read properly... i ASKED a questuon... then mentioned i was shocked to not see ANY response...that ok with you RODFATHER?
- Rob Sellen :o)
I would suggest taking lessons from Kol Tregaskes. He knows how to ask questions without looking like a dick.
- Rodfather
Ok rod.... looking like a dick? so, you got a mirror there? ;o) ya wanna take own advice. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'm really am trying to understand Rob ... OK... So it's not that you dislike the posts Scoble does or the comments he makes, it's just he is so active that there is no escaping him and you feel like his stuff gets higher play than other people?
- Johnny Worthington
I'm following 73 people and I think I see Tina more often then Scoble. It helps that she's prettier. :)
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Hi Rob =) I think the best answer to your question is one you've given yourself: you've only been here 2 weeks. My first month on FF was miserable, I didn't get any interaction at all on the stuff I brought in. After a while I trimmed what I was bringing in and just decided to use the feed as a way to waste some time when work was slow. It was when I started paying attention to other...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Like I've always said, I think that it's the "popularity vs. personal-interests" fight again and again, and again... social media needs ways (and standards already exist actually) to improve users attention and interactions. Almost every social site I've been on uses "popularity" as a parameter for "value", what will be really interesting is looking at the user's -every user- personal interests. I Hope to bring something new and different very very soon :)
- directeur
Oh, and Shey, you're right. I was trying to make a point. I failed at that, too.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Rob, if it makes you feel better, I joined FF back in May to strictly use it as a lifestreaming service. I was surprised when I started getting subscribers. I think just down to contributing to conversations and being patient. FWIW, I'm not all that well known, either. :)
- Helen Sventitsky
Awesome answer and advice thanks tina.... ;o) you "get it".. The thing is if I never asked this, or started this "debate" if you wanna call it that, i would not have had these answers to thnk about... :o) THANKS.
- Rob Sellen :o)
Just change your last name to Scoble, Rob...it worked for me.
- Alex Scoble
directeur.... good point... I agree, its this poularity thing that partly bothers me... I mean.... its useless anyway to a point. But great point there. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
got ya point jason.. just didnt agree, or think it was a good point. anyway are you drunk?
- Rob Sellen :o)
I am surprised now... to be honest people have subscribed to me just because I posted this...:o/ not complaining tho ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
But then there would be TWO robert scobles!!! too many alex. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Alex I always thought you were Robert's little brother or something.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Jason, you're a flatterer my friend. I like ;-) Rob, I think this ties in to your earlier question about whether FF is for geeks. Today (this week, really) have been gadget geek week because of some conventions. There are lots of gadget geeks on FF so posts from those conventions, especially those about new gadgets, are ALWAYS going to get attention. Me, I'm not as much of a gadget geek...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I am, Jason...what's your point?
- Alex Scoble
Tina... it is partly why i asked if it was for geeks.... all this tech syuff flying about, I never really thought about the fact there is these convention things gpoing on...and often people are directly posting here, twitter etc about it from there. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Rob you missed the dark days of the political season, then. those were dark times indeed.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
@Alex Sorry, i read your post where you said you changed your name to Scoble. People need to quit confusing me on here. :(
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Yeah, that was apparently a humor attempt FAIL on my part.
- Alex Scoble
Na... polictics is all bollocks. ;o) corrupt assholes!
- Rob Sellen :o)
Wow.It is?I thought this was Purgatory?
- Terence
@Alex No, it was a taking things seriously FAIL on my part. :)
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Dude, this is the second time you have bitched about this http://friendfeed.com/e... I don't think you realize that you are getting *way* more responses on most of your posts (not just the scoble ones) than most of us get. You have 121 subscribers. I have 283. I get very little response on about 75% of my posts, and that's perfectly fine with me. It's the nature of the beast. Participate on others' posts. kwitcherbellyachin
- Laura Norvig
laura...love the kwitchabellyaching. ;o) the second time... not quite, but you could sday they were related looking at it. ;o) the poinnt till stands.. its NOT bellyaching... its just me making a point.. how else do I make it?
- Rob Sellen :o)
I think Dave Winer said something about Robert being everywhere just the other day. Robert was the first person to subscribe to me and I was honored that he did (I read about his subscribing to smart people and I'm not that smart and an introvert to boot). @Rob, you can hide 'friend of' posts by clicking on 'Hide', but then click on 'hide other...' You then choose an option. Another option - create a new list and move people there.
- Greg GuitarBuster
:o) + greg. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
so here are some practical solutions: 1) unsubscribe to him and just check his feed from time to time if you are interested. It's public so you don't need to be subscribed. 2) Take him off your home feed and isolate him in a list. The larger problem, which I understand, that you think others are not seeing your posts because they see more of him ... meh ... cultivate dedicated followers and they will check your feed from time to time.
- Laura Norvig
I would kill to have 91 responses to anything I post. Just sayin'. ;)
- Helen Sventitsky
Alex, wicked, man. Rob, in all fairness I agree with people's comments and suggestions here. Respect is something that's earned not demanded. Learn to build that up, interact with others and be patient. I'm not a tech geek myself but appreciate the variety, camaraderie and help that comes from many who have posted here including both Scobles, who are good guys.
- Sally Church
I don't know what a scoble is, i didn't know what RSSing or Twitter was till my brother in law told me (appropriately in a friendfeed room) two hours ago. So I think this officially makes me not a groupie of anything and I use FF. Hope that helps.
- Steve C
haha "what a Scoble is..." brilliant...
- Zee.
Helen...dont need to kill..... ;o) but well...I never expected all these replies, but i DID expect a few. ;o) put it that way :o) Sally... i get ya point... the thing is i knew that right at the start. ;o) Steve.... ya getting it fast.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
lol, he is the paris hilton of twitter and friendfeed. personally i do not want to be either, do you? ;)
- denise
No denise...happy being me thanks ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob: I follow everyone and will get involved in lots of things here. If you don't like it I am not on MySpace. Just kidding.
- Robert Scoble
what...I just spent all day looking for you on myspace!!!! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
sometimes it's nice when scoble is on a jet not a bus with wifi :)
- Allen Stern
OMG WHY is this thread still active? LOL CES is going on, people! ;)
- Mona Nomura
whats CES mona? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Allen: I am cutting my travel this year and more planes have wifi now.
- Robert Scoble
So where was your favourite place last year robert?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Ok, let me make a trip down to WFC tomorrow and talk to FC head :-P
- Allen Stern
thinking of Robert and Paris Hilton in the same tweet.. very scary
- David Parmet
from twhirl
David..think how fast that would ell out..... who would "leak" it tho ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob, I know what you mean. I feel your "pain" too. Question is - what to do about it.
- CreativeWisdom
At least one person sees what i meant then :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob: sorry, I didn't bother to read any of the comments. But the first time I sensed that Scoble had too much influence on my friendfeed I solved it quickly: I just un-followed him.Friendfeed is NOT a Scoble groupie hangout, specially if you take into consideration that many of us Friendfeed addicts don't follow him at all.
- Marcos Marado
Just have to take this time to note that Robert liked this thread, and that irony has brought a smile to my face this evening =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Thanks Marcos for that reply. makes sense. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Of course tina... i had a feeling he would "like" it. ;o) but then it makes sense too ;o) I thnk he knows as well as you that I'm not bashing him..far from it. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'm telling you, the hide button is your friend. Scoble himself doesn't bother me in the slightest, but his fanboy squad are worse than Kevin Smith groupies. I wish they would be THEMSELVES and stop trying to out-Scoble Robert Scoble. You can't. And you shouldn't.
- Derrick
Derrick...I agree 100%... i just need to work out how to make the hide work for me, that is, what do i hide etc. :o0 still learning and i am happy to say that. :o) I agree with your "groupie" sentimet... people are BETTER off being themselves too :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I like Robert. But in all honesty, the ff crew screwed up big in one way over the past few months- ignoring everyone but a tiny group- even when they tried to engage. FF came to feel like a big platform dedicated to 5 people
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Ed: that is bullshit. But I don't have time to explain why. Just look at http:// www.friendfeed.com/scobleizer/likes to see a ton of cool stuff here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, READ what I said! I didn't say YOU! I just twittered about how incredibly YOU engage here, 20 minutes ago! Apology accepted!
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
I don't know if it's a Scoble groupie thing as much as the average web user has no idea about this service or knows about it and stays away because of the interface. So what you're left with are intelligent people who read the wrong marketing books and do try to echo what the digerati (which does include Mr. Scoble) does; But I wouldn't single Robert out.
- Brandon Mendelson
Arrington has smelly feet.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
If I like the way someone covers material I'm naturally going to follow them
- Dave Holle II
Ed...care to expand on that a bit? ;o) robert you keeping pointing to your realtime feed does nothing... at least as far as I see. Brandon..i don't mean to single him out as aperson... but it is related to how ff seemingly moves around him. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Well, sadly it's a small community. When you have someone notable using the service within that community folks may be more likely to listen to that person over another (re: How FF moves around him, not in terms of commenting.) I don't really know though, and I think most commenting also fall into that category. Look on the bright side, this (FF) is so early in development that we should all be taking the time to build a presence on here. This way when it does break, and it will, we have a chance to build.
- Brandon Mendelson
I agree... also we can all learn from scoble, no doubt about that... never doubted it... BUT we can and should learn to be ourselves... ;o) IF that is the one thing taken from ths thread.....great!
- Rob Sellen :o)
It's nice to learn of more non-techies.
- Anne Bouey
True Anne... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob: my like feed points to all sorts of other people here on friendfeed. There isn't a single thing about me on that link. If you helped other people get exposure you will get your own set of people to talk with. Everything here is decentralized. You make your own experience here. If you are seeing too much of me stop following people who I interact with.
- Robert Scoble
Feels that way. I try to get people over to my blog but it seems hard. Even when I feel like I have a good post going, there is a million things going around about CES. I am playing a devils advocate though, I am reading all his stuff :)
- TheSleepyGeek
I completely agree. I prefer to choose to who subscribe to rather than subscribe, by 'default', to the person with 3,000 followers.
- nouhad
Wow! - lots of comments! So, thought I'd come over here and jump on the bandwagon and try to feel a little less left out! Ha!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I understand that Robert.... The point is, who ISNT interacting with you? ;o) I se what you mean by your realtime feed.. all it shows is what YOU found interesting... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I don't agree, Rob. Robert follows everyone. Its not his opinion, solely. I don't, necessarily, think he finds me interesting, at all. :)
- Heidi Jeffers Thibodeau
Not syaing it is though heidi... ;o) the point is even if Robert post a nonsense post..everyone comments... thats where it looks scobly busy ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Since I don't follow Robert Scoble, this doesn't affect me terribly. When it does, there's the "Hide" link. My FF experience involves surprisingly little Robert Scoble, because I found he overwhelmed my feed when I was subscribed to him, so I worked to make FF what I want from it for me.
- Scott of Two Countries
What i need to do scott. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
To me Robert is just another FF user, there are lots of great people on here posting great content. The advantage Robert has is that he has by far the most followers, so anything he posts will be seen by many, many people. I like to follow the active members on FF rather than the popular ones. So have a look here: http://www.ffholic.com/Users.... Who knows, if more people follow these guys and they get more people seeing their content then things might change. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Rob ROCKS!
- orionstarr
PKD Fans: is @scobleizer Jory? "In Ubik, Jory acted as a false god and tried to force everyone to succumb to the reality he created for them." http://is.gd/f2nb and "Jory, a malevolent psychic juvenile delinquent who haunts the moratorium’s half-life realm. Jory is a projective psychotic who generates deceptive “realities” that seduce half-life dwellers into unreal realms and consumes the dregs of their half-life vitality." http://is.gd/f2ml Just keepin' it FUN, friends! Thx4 great thread! :-)
- michael silverton
He is the Elvis of FF.
- orionstarr
In all seriousness, the entire FF community is co-creating an entirely new way of thinking and being in the world. @scobelizer's personal transparency and enviable capacity for high volume social cognition should be in every textbook on the subject, moving forward. in many ways, he invented "social media" long before there was any such thing. personally, i'm just grateful to have stumbled into the fray -- so many brilliant minds in this thread alone -- hope the anthropologists taking notes! ++Rob Sellen!
- michael silverton
He invented it??? thats a tad to far IMO... can you proove that? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Michael.... I knew we would get some good comments... and we did. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Yes, my brother (despite Al Gore's claims to the contrary) invented the internets with the help of Steve Wozniak at the San Jose State journalism computer lab. It's a fact!
- Alex Scoble
so are you really his brother then? Ok... well... i don't know about inventing it... maybe he was the first noticable user.... but how do you define starting web 2.0 ? I mean ONE comment on a bloh is socail meda... so how you say yes it was HIM that started it all?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Yes, I'm really his brother...and the above sentence was entirely for entertainment purposes...mostly...mostly.
- Alex Scoble
ok. :o) little bro.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Operative phrase about @scobelizer is "in many ways." Like in Gore's case, the only missing word is "Public Policy" Father of the Interwebz; to which Gore can very comfortably lay claim. Everyone likes to think something was *their* idea as soon as they hear or see something with which they agree. Few recall the circumstances and uproar surrounding @scobelizer's departure from the...
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- michael silverton
How does that equate to him staring social media?
- Rob Sellen :o)
I agree with Rob on this, Some people have way to much ego. It's all bytes right?
- orionstarr
As far as I'm concerned myspace brought social media to front and mainstream not that I like myspace but I think that is the first social site to really pick up steam.
- orionstarr
lol... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
To get to first causes, we ask where did MySpace come from? We ask Tom where he got the inspiration. What behaviors did he see going on that made him think, "hey, this might work ..." For one, BLOGS. Early blogs partly gave Tom Anderson his ideas. No innovator pulls a new idea out of their own ass. If they claim they did, they're lying. So even @scobelizer had influences, but he was...
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- michael silverton
got proof?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Not to diminish anyone; rather to ACKNOWLEDGE each one. My own accounting of events is one data point in the proof; I've lived it. :-) For more proof and cross-checking, others have to click the links and do the research. It's not up to me to convince anyone, only to provide the very thin slice of my own limited perspective. The Truth is Out There for the finding, YOU are The Decider.
- michael silverton
ScobleFeed?
- Dimitar Vesselinov
Who gives a crap? I mean seriously...
- orionstarr
I don't mean to be rude just don't like to see fighting here
- orionstarr
well it seems some people do give a crap lol..... no-one is fighting.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@levarburton Thanks for launching Operation STS-2009: Scobleize the Scobleizer! :-) http://blip.tv/file/1654760 For 2009, spread the word: 1.) Be prepared with your own question(s) for Scoble. 2.) If @scobleizer approaches you, ask politely if you can borrow the camera for a minute. 3.) Scobleize the Scobleizer! Finally, link back to the TROUBLE started here http://tinyurl.com/STS-2009 by @robsellen !
- michael silverton
Rod, just found your comment. Hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Boxee releases BBC iPlayer (UK only)
Tyson Key, Nicholas James, Eric and 16 other people liked this
Boxee is one of the coolest things I saw at Gnomedex last year. Brings really great media experience to your TV via a Mac; AppleTV; Linux or Windows. http://www.Boxee.tv
- Robert Scoble
from email
Still very much alpha, but I'm looking forward to it maturing.
- teleken
How can I set up a Boxee box with both VPN for Hulu US *and* iPlayer UK but being in Australia? Plz? :)
- Boris Gordon
That is flipping cool...now if only Canadian and US broadcasters would get into something like this!
- Charlie Flowers
I updated my Apple TV today and there is tons of content to explore with the new Joost integration. MTV videos are fun too. I use the boxee side much more than the standard Apple TV software.
- Adam Chlan
@ Boris - I'm about to look into a similar thing for my soon to be built under TV PC (though I'm in the UK, so iPlayer is easy). I was thinking of keeping the connection to the US permanently open, and setting up custom routing rules so all Hulu traffic goes over the VPN to the US, and all other goes via my UK connection, but that's just my initial thoughts.
- Mat
Well then it's boring, no need for it on an international platform.
- Richard A.
Sorry people but I pay for the BBC and I'm quite happy you lot don't get all the content for free. HBO is an example that it can be done elsewhere so get on it, excessive advertising is not a good thing people. - This comment was sponsored by Taco Bell.
- Toby Graham
At least when I was in England I could play with the iplayer, now it's a ghost from futures to come.
- Richard A.
I've been meaning to give this a try for awhile now, but as Plex suited me just fine I hadn't bothered. BBC iPlayer support will definitely make me give this a go though.
- Benjamin Watt
Apparently, BBC iPlayer is going to play a big part in the BBC's future.I agree that the BBC is too stingy: I wanted to download the New Years Concert from Vienna and I couldn't. I was really miffed
- Roberto Bonini
I dont think that is the BBC's doing - they license the rights to show the New Year's concert and probably didnt want to pay for worldwide distribution rights. Most of what you see on TV is done by production companies on commission and bought with specific distribution rights, and it's a nightmare to navigate this. There's much the BBC cannot afford to show online worldwide, the papework/research alone would be too much, let alone the fees
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I'd definitely pay a fee to get BBC content over here, either on my PC or cable. When BBC America first started, it was a very cool channel. They'd air all the commercials at the end of the uncut programs, plus they had variety. Now it's almost all reality shows, and what they do air gets cut up for ads.
- Julie Barrett
I bought a zone-free DVD player for the sole purpose of being able to play BBC's collection of Michael Palin travelogues.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
first time I've managed to get the iPlayer running on XBMC/Boxee... works straight out of the box on the latest download of Boxee :)
- Hobbsy
We all know about the legal contraints, releasing content only for certain territories and all that. I can only hope that their - or any - legal departement is hard at work of getting them out of those contraints and find a way to deal with globalization that allows them to monetize. Or else they will get steamrolled, just like that other entertainement industry one wouldn't want to mention. And then who is going to pay for the much more costly production of the TV content?
- Günther Mulder
from twhirl
Todd Cochrane @geeknews and his video gear
Alex Carpenter, Susan Beebe, Nia and 9 other people liked this
He is putting up tons of video from CES at http://www.geeknewscentral.com
- Robert Scoble
from email
I saw the video of his gear. I really like that monopod
- Bwana ☠
Todd is a media making machine. It's something in the water here in Hawaii.
- Ryan
TheSleepyGeek liked this
Not me, I'm in Ohio ^_^ But hoping all in the area are well.
- Ron Bailey
My TweetBacks WordPress Plugin | Dan Zarrella - http://danzarrella.com/wp-twee...
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Show who tweets about your blog post right on your blog
- Ron"micronet"Harwood
That's funny... I just installed a FriendFeed plugin for this. I am going to check out this one for twitter... why not eh?
- TheSleepyGeek
I installed it and it slowed my load time from 4 seconds a post to about 10-12.
- TheSleepyGeek
BugLabs' new modules:
Bill Romanos, Jeremy Toeman, Susan Beebe and 8 other people liked this
They have five new modules. Bug3G/gsm; BugSound; BugWifi; BugProjector; BugBee. Cool system for building your own devices. http://www.buglabs.net
- Robert Scoble
from email
Projector?? That's pretty awesome.
- Will Higgins™
Question: It may be too early to assess its popularity, but do you think that the Android/G1 will overtake the iPhone in terms of better application support? With an open platform, surely it can, right?
Daniel Rowley, Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie), VC Freak and 18 other people liked this
Having just bought the Android for my wife two days ago, and seeing the potential it has, I think your statement is a fair assessment. It will take 2-3 years though before it gets to that point. I was gung ho for buying an Iphone. I'm seriously reconsidering going with the Android now for myself.
- Mike Fruchter
The open platform being one main selling point.
- Mike Fruchter
In terms of number and quality of applications, I could see Android overtaking the iPhone. Much like linux vs windows/mac though, I'm not so sure it will take the lead market position. Depends on how many additional handset makers deploy android and how cheap they make them.
- mikepk
Thanks Mike. I'm still stuck with a Treo (and I still need a Treo car charger from my earlier message on FF!) but I'm considering the Android route when Sprint introduces a capable phone. Since I have no immediate need to switch mobile handhelds now, I'm just going to wait it out. To be honest, I'm not a fan of the iPod Touch and iPhone anymore. Apple's support sucks and developers don't have a clue.
- Tamar Weinberg
Android is better for developers and I really hope it can outsell the iPhone. In terms of helping developers, having an open marketplace, it's not even close. Android FTW :)
- Steven Cains
But saying that, all I hear about is companies developing for the iPhone (simply because of numbers) while Android apps are an afterthought.
- Steven Cains
the iphone will slowly open up as a platform. see itunes slowly opening up, with drm move. iphone will do so to keep up with its leadership position. the other catch... it is easier for developers to work off one platform for one phone. not so easy to work off one platform with different flavors for different phones. i expect the iphone to keep its dominance for the medium term
- Pascal Bouvier
Cains, but at first, iPhone development wasn't widespread. Sure, Apple did get an edge here, but I hope that the Android will take off. I just don't want to be loyal to Apple for the rest of my life and would love the mobile application market to be something besides oldschool Blackberry/Windows apps and the iPhone.
- Tamar Weinberg
I hope android will surpass the iphone. There are far more java developers out there which can jump on android than there are objective-c programmers. But the iphone has a huge lead in terms of interface design and ease of use. And it will not be easy to break the itunes/app store system.
- Peter Hoffmann
Really Tamar? Seems like every developer I know had some kind of work for the iPhone before the SDK was even released. Android just hasn't generated the same buzz (amongst the general public more than developers). Surprising for Google, the only other tech company that can rival Apple's customer enthusiasm. I think Pascal has a good point too, the varying case & control designs could present a stumbling block for 3rd party development.
- Steven Cains
I don't think they did, Cains, but maybe I'm wrong.
- Tamar Weinberg
Developers follow their hearts and Android so far hasn't been inspiring. If their hearts don't matter market size does. Google is losing there too.
- Robert Scoble
Android will win I believe. It may take a while - more updates (which they rock at), some more hardware platforms, add that to the extra flexibility the developers get and you have a winner.
- Shaun McIntyre
Someone needs to make setting up a development environment and getting started with Android development a lot less painless and then there will be more developers interested in writting apps for it. I want to but I don't have time to overcome the learning curve at the moment and I have heard it is a daunting one.
- Her Lindsay-ness
I think it's too early to assess. Android's biggest problem is not the software but the hardware. (no offense to the G1 owners)
- Mona Nomura
AM waiting for other players to come out with their Android phones.
- Rom Feria
Mona - Couldn't agree more. While I'd love to have a hackable phone I can't get behind carrying around that thing. Ergonomics matter...
- Brian Roy
@Mona - yeah, it's not as sexy as the iPhone, but I look at it as geeky vs popular. I like the fact that my phone is the geeky one.
- Her Lindsay-ness
I say this every time this is discussed, but the big problem with Android is that the apps are written in Java and run on an interpreted virtual machine. It's not a good fit for an embedded device.
- invariant - farewell FF
Quality beats quantity - the question ought to be if more of the applications we want are on the phone. I say this because I don't really need 10,000 variants of "iFart" available to me, and I would like more tools that make the phone more useful. That said, I strongly suspect Android will win out - more handsets, more networks means more market share. The AT&T locked iPhone will start to suffer once Android can be found on everything else.
- Eric P
invariant - please... not the "java is too slow" thing... interpreted at run time is the majority of code now. Java/PHP/Python/JavaScript... need I go on. EDIT - Sorry forgot ruby... my Rails friends will be coming with pitchforks.
- Brian Roy
Brian: You're utterly wrong. Java, Python and Javascript on PCs are all Just In Time compiled. Java on Android is not. It's too slow. Trust me, I wrote J2ME apps for cell phones for years.
- invariant - farewell FF
Just wait until the Sony/Ericsson and Motorola Androids come out. Lindsay - I feel so awful saying this because I know you, Tad, and Tina love yours... But I just didn't like the way it felt in my hand and the iPhone's attention to details is what captured my heart. Sony/Ericsson is really good with sexyfying gadgets. I hope they prevail because I'm an Android fan. :)
- Mona Nomura
Good, when I'm wrong I prefer to be utterly wrong. So Java works different on Android? How so?
- Brian Roy
I'm sure there will be better hardware coming out that will run Android. No doubt. But it's not out yet. And I like what I have. And I like the fact that it's NOT an iPhone like everyone else has. And it does cool and awesome stuff anyway. And I have a REAL keyboard. I almost feel about the iPhone the way I do about Sony... too proprietary for my tastes (well, I guess that doesn't count for phones, but any Sony device that uses media).
- Her Lindsay-ness
Most virtual machines on PCs these days will convert a function to native machine code the first time it's called, then use that native code for subsequent calls. The virtual machine on Android (and all cell phones) does not do this, but reinterprets each bit of virutal machine code each time it is run. The garbage collectors on phone VMs also tend to be less sophisticated, which means it takes them longer to clean up memory when the app needs more.
- invariant - farewell FF
If Skype Lite becomes readily (and easily) available for the average user on a G1, then yes, it can and will overtake the iPhone.
- Brandon Mendelson
I hope so but doubt it. By the time a nicely built phone is paired with a mature Android, Apple will probably come out with something even better due to its head start.
- Rodfather
My cel phone is >300x faster and has >1000x more RAM than my first computer, and most of its apps were written in an interpreted language. I'm not buying the "it's too slow" argument.
- Victor Ganata
RAM is another issue with Java. Embedded devices don't have demand-paged virtual memory. But you cannot easily control exactly how much memory your app takes using Java because it was originally designed with that type of memory system in mind. My colleagues and I burned many hours trying to control memory in Java apps for J2ME phones. None of us would voluntarily go back to writing code in that type of environment.
- invariant - farewell FF
That's a specious argument Victor - unless you only plan on running Commodore 64 level apps on your phone. I at least want something more - something that can manipulate 3 megapixels of picture data in real time, or render multiple thousands of polygons every thirtieth of a second, or even decode video at an acceptable framerate. Did your first computer do that?
- invariant - farewell FF
One more thing, cause I feel like I'm coming off as more hardcore on this than I want to. 99% of iPhone apps would run great in Java on Android. Games (which is what I do) are a different story. But I do think a lot of people who might have been interested in working on Android apps, Linux people especially, heard that you needed to work in Java and said "no thanks". Whether it's perception (and some of it is) or reality (and some of it is), it's driving devs away. They need to give devs the choice.
- invariant - farewell FF
All comments use iPhone as "standard" to meet. Marketer's dream niche!
- Phil Boiarski
The openness is a two-edged sword. Device manufacturers can pick and choose what parts of android they'll support, as well as have different kinds of hardware support. When you write an iPhone app, you can count on multitouch hardware, accelerometer, hardware graphics acceleration etc. being there -- not so with Android. If you go to native code for performance, then you need different binaries for the different processor families used on different devices & lose the cross-platform advantage of the VM.
- Karim
invariant makes some excellent points about the lack of a JIT compiler. It's hard to believe Google won't add JIT eventually, but in the meantime the performance hit is significant. Even *if* Android gets to application parity with the iPhone, and the UI and the hardware got to be just as sexy as Apple, at the end of the day the device still isn't an iPod. All other things being equal, having that iPod ability is going to push a lot of consumers to the iPhone platform. Developers will follow.
- Karim
It's funny because I feel like I've seen this story before. It's true that history repeats. Oddly enough, history is repeating and some of the actors are even still the same.
- mikepk
Karim, those are good points, but I think there's something more fundamental at play here though.
- mikepk
Karim - You have to make a different build for every device anyway. Before we got out of the business we were literally making 100+ different builds in order to achieve wide handset deployment.
- invariant - farewell FF
Yes. Yes.
- scott anderson
While I don't see the G1 overtaking the iPhone anytime soon, I think Android does have a lot of potential in embedded systems. Which is sort of ironic given that Java was originally intended for PDAs and set-top boxes and not the World Wide Web.
- Karim
invariant, I thought the whole point of Dalvik was so you didn't need one binary for device A, a different one for device B, etc.? mikepk -- can you elaborate on "something more fundamental?"
- Karim
Karim, Android may be the long play.... My theory: in the short term, closed system and good experience will win. In the long term, the HW will become commoditized and price will become the overriding factor. It's the mac/microsoft story redux. The one variable that's different this time around is less control over and possibly more fractured experience of Android. If Android becomes linux-like in that regard, they might not hit the critical mass.
- mikepk
Karim - that's the theory but it never works out in practice, because you have to change your code to support the different characteristics of the different devices. Actually, it's usually to work around different bugs on the various devices.
- invariant - farewell FF
mike, i think see what you mean. i think there are some important differences, though -- people went with PCs for various reasons, but cost was a big factor -- the better experience wasn't worth the $1,000 (or whatever the "Mac Tax" used to be) for most people. Also with PCs you had far more options than phones -- fingerprint readers, multiple displays, handwriting recognition etc. so the ability to customize hardware had value. Not as much with phones, I think.
- Karim
the price point matters. people might not cough up another $500 for a computer, but i think people are willing to pay another $50 for a better user experience on the phone.
- Karim
Apple can go open source or whatever the hell they want to answer Google. Besides the iphone is about hardware as well as software and Android would need to be able to anticipate my every need to beat the overall package of iPhone methinks. It's just not good enough in teh hardware stakes- yet.
- thomasrdotorg
from twhirl
invariant, you've probably *forgotten* more about Java on mobiles than I'll ever *know*, so I'm going to defer to you on that point! :-)
- Karim
I really think that it needs to be readily available. The release of the iPhone was huge, Google needs to make sure they pump resources into the first Android release so that it is as visible. Then it stands a chance.
- TheSleepyGeek
Palm's CEO Ed Colligan interviewed by CNBC's Jim Goldman
Sweyn Venderbush, TheSleepyGeek and David Geller liked this
The hype begins for new Palm Pre.
- Robert Scoble
from email
Where were the games? Where was the price? Lots of unanswered questions..
- Bryan Nystrom
Mainly, what's the developer story?
- Jordan Hofker
Where are the specs? Expandable memory? Only web apps? Oh Goldman. SO not a fan.
- Mona Nomura
No third party app market? There's been a Palm third party app market for, what, 10 years? Here's the latest mobile revamp: http://appstore.pocketgear.com/palm...
- Ken Sheppardson
Specs: EvDO, WiFi b/g, stereo Bluetooth, 8 GB of storage http://blog.palm.com
- Ken Sheppardson
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