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I'm worried Facebook is replacing the need for friendfeed. :(
Kol Tregaskes, Shevonne, David Cook and 15 other people liked this
Anyone else feel it, or is it just me?
- Andrew Baron
Hell no. FB just doesn't have the functionality.
- Neal Jansons
for a lot people FB is FF :-) (and more)
- Luca Conti
On functionality then friendfeed would be just a temporary step to get your ff over to facebook. I.e. Render FF stream in Facebook stream.
- Andrew Baron
Not feeling it. FB feels heavy. FF feels lightweight.
- Nick Reynolds
FB is very closed and demands too much. FF is very open and demands little.
- LogEx
I do pipe my FF stream to FB, but still live here. More interaction, etc.
- Neal Jansons
FB? Heck no! I hate being restricted to interacting with people that I might already know. I like the fact that I can meet new people on FF that I might never have otherwise encountered.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
No. FB isn't open.
- Robert Scoble
That's exactly right, Tina. On FB I get so tunnel-visioned and never would have met some of my fave people.
- Neal Jansons
FB is cluddered
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
That will never happen. Fb is for adolescents and lame-os.
- Anthony
More important things to worry about.
- scott anderson
Nope. Not even close.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Heck no! Two totally separate things to me.
- Rochelle
Who cares. Not a single person on my FF is my friend on FB. You guys are not 'real friends' but I do enjoy your company.
- Aaron deMello
No, I think it's simply an different opportunity...it's all about usage.
- Enriqueta
@Aaron People use things differently. My online, professional, and personal lives all overlap, so many of my friends are on multiple services.
- Neal Jansons
i use friendfeed for following news and links. I use facebook to see what my friends are doing. I don't see how facebook could replace what friendfeed offers me.
- Alex Williams
Well even for me FF is a more active community, but I wonder if that will change? FB is picking up a lot of momentum it seems with the people I know and FF seems to be somewhat stable in growth. I thought FF would of picked up more steam by now myself.
- Andrew Baron
FF is the place for me. Fb is where most of my immediate family communicates and that's fine. FF is where i get to expand my community; challenge my thinking; and learn new things. and that's fine, too.
- MikeAmundsen
@Andrew It's always this way for early adoption. Twitter is just starting to get real mainstream adoption...my sister-in-law brought it up at Thanksgiving and I knew Twitter was now going to become normal, so FF will come next.
- Neal Jansons
Andrew do they have an API like FriendFeed?
- Dave Winer
There is no possible way Facebook can replace FriendFeed. The primary reason for this is that they are two different things. For instance, you don't even have a profile page here on FriendFeed and on Facebook, you can only "follow" people who let you. I don't even think you can interact with people outside of your circle. I would also agree that FB is a little too heavy and complicated for what I do here on FF.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Andrew: FB is a different animal. It has 500+ employees. FF has, what, 13? FB has 120+ million users. FF has a few hundred thousand. But, the quality of conversations is much better here and there are no walls to this garden (Google can search it) and there are no stupid rules and no arbitrary limits to how many friends you can have. But, you will find me in both places.
- Robert Scoble
wow, didn't know the difference
- Brendon Wadey
If there is one of them who has problem, it is not FriendFeed. Facebook=too rigid concept.
- ivanandersson
I get much more out of FF. FB gets a bit loud sometimes with all of it's 3rd party apps.
- Kevin Whalen
No Way José!
- Anna Haro
Maybe the other way around.
- Brandon Titus
@Robert and @Dave I agree on the shortcomings of FB. Though FB seems to be evolving. The biggest difference for me, is the subject matter of the posts - they are much more newsworthy here as @alex stated. FB is much more social talk. But that has been changing; The FB iphone app separates out the personal from the news and more and more people seem to be posting news links.
- Andrew Baron
I never could find a need for FB - barely ever check in
- BEX
ABSOLUMENT NON!
- Josh Haley
no
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Andrew: wait until you see the video we shot last week at Facebook. I agree that Facebook is interesting again. But NOT as a competitor to FriendFeed. Zuckerberg has other things in his sights.
- Robert Scoble
nothing will replace friendfeed in my life. NOTHING.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
from fftogo
I totally disagree. Facebook is ok for some things, but it cannot touch FF.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
While I admit that my usage on Facebook has increased heavily recently, I think of Facebook as a tool for a more personal relationship, but there is little way of gaining new friends. With FriendFeed, it is easy to find new people with interests and hold discussions. I think as long as FriendFeed can excel in providing discussion, it will be hard to have an equal.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
I'm finding myself using Facebook way less. I let the FF app insert everything into my wall and just use it to present that stuff to my friends that aren't on FF.
- matthew john ernisse
I am happy that FF is replacing FB.
- Alexander Kohlhofer
I definitely feel it. But only because I feel bombarded with information, it's coming from all around me, and FriendFeed is just not that useful to me. It's cool, but why bother with it when I can talk to my friends on Facebook? None of my friends are on FriendFeed. Really other than people into this stuff, who has time for FF?
- Josue Salazar
Andrew, I am just the opposite -- I believe the FriendFeed is replacing the need for Facebook and FF is not draconian like Fb.
- Robert Miller
FF>FB anytime
- imran
I have to agree worryingly...............................
- Yatin Vadhia
the reason i use friendfeed is so i can update facebook with all i do without having to go to it every day...
- Samuel Lewis
from twhirl
I don't see them as the same thing at all. I've got to keep up both since I have different types of friends on both services and overall both serve different types of needs. My friends from high school don't use the Internet in the same way that the folks over here on FF do.
- Lynne d Johnson
Nope. I was just thinking last night how Facebook feels kind of sterile and borring to me, while Friendfeed is friendly, easy, and engaging. I go to Facebook a few times a week out of a sense of obligation, but I can never think of anything to do there.
- Laura Norvig
No - Facebook has been wasting my time. Sterile and ZERO interaction! I should be evangelizing Friendfeed.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
i think you're right... i'm finding as many comments to twitter reposts on Facebook as on Friendfeed. Folks are spending a LOT more time in Facebook thanks to the comment thread feature they riffed off of FF.
- Jason Calacanis
Nah. Real-time there is no good. To me it is just a robust contacts list. I like Facebook a lot but it will not be a replacement for me.
- Rolf Schewe
FB is just starting to have more user interaction with regard to comments... YES, FB is gaining steam, but it will be a LONG time before it replaces need for FriendFeed! FB is too limiting / locked down; whereas, FF is more open and easier to collaborate / open
- Susan Beebe
friendfeed has a better feature set for discussion on activity, but for now Facebook has the users. I find I spend much more time on Facebook because most of my contacts use it, only a few people I know in real life use FF now. How do you get people other than early adopters to start using a new service?
- Mike English
There was news last week regarding Twitter possibly turning down around half a billion dollars from Facebook (though granted, mostly stock). Can you imagine what that would be like if Facebook bought Twitter? I can't say for sure that it would be a bad thing. If FB allowed Twitter to use the API's etc. Maybe FB could buy FF. http://tinyurl.com/5r5zxg
- Andrew Baron
I recently discovered FriendFeed, and like it a lot. I use it in conjunction with Facebook, but I can't imagine FB replacing the need for FF. If anything, I think that FF will grow as more people get on board.
- Joseph Grabowski
Don't worry. Us diehards are here for life :)
- Charlie Anzman
FF allows you to comment and interact with ppl outside your network, which is cool.
- Sahil Parikh
no, it's just you. Friendfeed rules
- David Jacobs
No way. Facebook does have the Import capability to an extent, but the people who understand the coolness of what you post are on FriendFeed.
- Shevonne
Facebook replacing FriendFeed? Wha? Nah
- Kol Tregaskes
My Facebook, FrendFeed and Twitter networks are all somewhat different.
- Mike Reynolds
I informed my friends and deleted my fb account when I noticed how it should be.
- Thomas Bøhm
Greetings From Within the Great Firewall of China - http://technologizer.com/2008...
Jessie, Rodrigo Jaroszewski, Jeff (the マクダジ of FF) and 2 other people liked this
You have been "harmonized." that is what they call it when your site has been blocked.
- Robert Scoble
:-D i think there was a Star Trek episode where they called it "absorbed." "It is the will of Landru." ;-)
- Karim
Karim: I love that if you change the two Chinese characters that spell "harmonized" just slightly you'll get "river crab." Change them again just slightly and you'll get "river of shit." The bloggers at Chinese BloggerCon had some shirts with River Crabs on them. They make fun of the firewall by saying they live in a river crab society.
- Robert Scoble
lol!
- Karim
Intel launches record breaking Core i7 desktop processor - http://www.gizmag.com/intel-c...
Jeff P. Henderson, Anthony Citrano, Hans Eisenman and 12 other people liked this
"The processor uses Intel’s Turbo Boost Technology " --> Just like KITT in Knight Rider
- RAPatton
"KITT, come here, I need you!"
- Anthony Citrano
Insane that WotLK sold 2.8 million copies in the first 24 hours. WoW, indeed! Fastest selling PC game of all time, apparently.
Arnaud Fischer, Sylvain Nadeau, Sambler and 9 other people liked this
But you never said if you liked it
- Socom
I do like it!! Hehe...
- Veronica
i watched people flock around a book store 8 hours before it went on sale and couldn't believe my eyes with the 300+ geek queuing midnight in front of city's popular bookstore. (that can be a norm in US but pretty weird for a weak geek population of Ankara/Turkey)
- Berk D. Demir
I've been dying to join my friend's guild. I'm afraid to commit to it. Who has the time??
- Mickipedia
I liked Borean Tundra as a level 68 starting area over Howling Fjord but Utgarde and Nexus are a bit of a toss up.
- Mattb4rd
Micki... I don't have the time. I MAKE the time! ;)
- Veronica
Emm, don't know, think I will just stick to Ikariam
- Socom
@Mattb4rd I dunno, I think I like Fjord better.. BT is such a HUGE area, it reminds me of Barrens a little too much.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
It's actually 32 copies per second, 1944 per minute
- Veronica
Coincedentally, 2.8 million Warhammer Online trial accounts were cancelled roughly the same time.
- Chris Weiss
from twhirl
Taking a flight around SF tomorrow on Virgin America to test the wifi on their plane with @ryanblock, @jollyroger and others. Excited!
MG Siegler, John Spencer, Amani and 7 other people liked this
haha. around SF. @ryanblock made it sound like a holiday! At least you get to travel together for something. :-)
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
It's KIND of like a holiday, I guess....
- Veronica
what did you think of our side of the world Veronica? As exciting as you hoped...?
- Zee.
How long will the flight last?
- Sylvain Nadeau
A little over an hour, I think?
- Veronica
Veronica - we want a full report on Virgin America WiFi!! :) thanks!
- Susan Beebe
Sweet. let me know how wifi is. I have a flight from LAX to DC in dec. Actually, let me make my rsvp now!!
- Amani
We'll expect the usual "You'll never guess where I'm posting this from..."
- Andrew Smith
upgrading iphone to 2.2!
Yatin Vadhia, Saad Kamal, Roberto Bonini and 2 other people liked this
Just did. Safari a little different. Still poking around. Should I have upgraded iTunes first, tho?
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Good, so far. Safari on the iPhone isn't crashing constantly (yet). Getting Google street view to show isn't immediately obvious
- Glenn Batuyong
I can finally download Diggnation without having to stay up until 23:00 to watch it (GMT)!!!
- Yatin Vadhia
to get street view you have to "drop a pin" then when the person icon lights you can click on it to see street view.
- Chris Jones
+@ChrisJones thanks for the tip. Hadn't figured that out yet.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
iPhone 2.2 firmware update available now - http://www.engadget.com/2008...
Yatin Vadhia, ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ, Brad Brooks and Daniel Rowley liked this
I wish all consumer electronics buyers would come to China and see the impact of the pollution here from making things for you.
'Like' robot (frɐnc), Kamilah Gill, Susan Beebe and 33 other people liked this
Hah!!! Al Gore went to china and they laughed and mocked him.
- tony
Yes, but gadgets are soooo good!
- Morton Fox
The 60 Minutes piece was shocking. The pile of monitors and the river of ash was just wow
- Rodfather
Can someone link to the 60 minutes special?
- Patricia
So it's our fault? :)
- Bwana ☠
We used to make things in this country (and we have the Superfund sites to prove it). I'd like to have the manufacturing back, but could do without the pollution. Are we smart enough?
- Jason Wehmhoener
@Jason yes smart, but our government is moved by $ and so is business so they'd sneak away with as much as they can get away with.
- Patricia
I also saw that piece on 60 Minutes. It made me sick. People are exploiting other people and the environment for short-term profits.
- imabonehead
They could get away with less if we were willing to regulate. We can't regulate because we're told it increases the cost of business too much to compete in a global economy. We need to pay more for safety and health regulated local goods for the health of our economy and our environment, but we can't even pay our personal debts as it is. Are we smart enough?
- Jason Wehmhoener
so how are you liking Shenzhen? Have you seen blue sky yet?
- clarke thomas
@imabonehead, that's everywhere. The problem is, consumers want cheap prices, food that last longer, etc. It's a vicious cycle.
- Patricia
@Jason The cost of doing business in America would increase the costs of those products. While you'd surely sell to people who are environmentally friendly and/or very "Buy American" for the most part, people will buy what gives them the most bang for their buck. See the auto industry for examples.
- EricaJoy
Yes, Erica, I agree. It's a very dangerous situation.
- Jason Wehmhoener
The pollution is bad, but the U.S. wasn't limited in its pollution as it cranked through the Industrial Revolution in the late 19th/early 20th century. It's tough to crack down on others when we had our period of excess. Agree it is a problem though.
- Hutch Carpenter
the general populace in any western country is greedy before they are 'green.' Though China does take greed to a new level.
- clarke thomas
yeah its like climbing to the top of a heap, and then yelling at all those climbing behind (some of which you climbed over) to "stop climbing up as you are damaging the heap".
- Michael Neale
Curious - is anybody interested in helping drive change on this? If so, how?
- Patricia
Excellent point, Hutch(@bhc3)
- Micah Wittman
And don't forget the pollution associated with transporting it across the planet, typically by air, one of the worst transportation polluters. I have been to China and the pollution in most of SE Asia is pretty dismal (as it was in the UK in the 19th century and the US in the 20th). Buy less. Be happy.
- Kenley Neufeld
I remember seeing some footage a while back of children picking through the batteries in China, it made me feel shocked and sad!
- Joe Dawson
I'm mostly a buy less / be happy kind of guy, but I'm planning to replace the TV I got 9 years ago (secondhand – I don't know how old it was originally) to go from CRT to LCD. I'll probably put the old TV into the guest room but eventually I'll have to send it somewhere for recycling. I certainly hope new TVs travel by container ship and not by air! Why would profit-driven companies use expensive air transport instead of cheap ship transport?
- Amit Patel
We can't change China. We can change our own spending habits, and we can change our own laws.Can we figure out how to encourage American manufacturing while protecting labor rights & the environment? If we really don't know how to do our thing without complete and total dependence on China, then we're in trouble in more ways than one. I know the status quo is that we "can't compete" with their lax regulatory environment, but the situation is unsustainable.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason: it's not just their lax regulatory environment, it's that they are way lower cost, way faster, have way bigger scale, and have now an ecosystem and a platform that is going to prove to be very difficult to compete on. I think we need to totally change the game. How about we get rid of all coal plants and go completely nuclear and solar? That will give us expertise in a new place, and infrastructure that will let us compete head on with them. But we only have five year window to do something that big.
- Robert Scoble
I don't think it's possible for us to do that inside of 5 years, the whole trnsmission lines need to be updated to work
- Justin Yost
Maybe a huge part of the problem ties to our desire to look important by having stuff. It drove our credit card problem, mortgage problem to a degree, so it only makes sense that it's creating this mess too. Less is the new more. :)
- Patricia
Robert, not sure where you get the "five year" figure. Also not convinced that energy leadership is sufficiently game changing. Lax environmental and labor regulations really are a very large part of the larger scale, lower cost and higher efficiency. Capitalism works "better" when you put corporate interests above human interests. It's a simple fact. We probably need to alter our expectations as a culture. We should place more value on local production and less on global consumption.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Justin: China is building a new coal plant every few days. We need to start and start in a big way. This needs to be our moon shot.
- Robert Scoble
Jason: because China is evolving SO QUICKLY it is unreal. The last time I was in Shanghai the TV Tower was the only building on that side of the river. Today there's an entire major city there with dozens of skyscrapers. That's in 12 years. So, that's where I got the five year window from. China will take away our air supply if we wait longer. Literally.
- Robert Scoble
@scoble, I agree that we do need to do so, and we do need to start yesterday, I just don't see anything happening political will isn't there, consumers ignore while prices are low, no one is willing to take the hit to do so, and even if everybody was onboard, I don't see the whole transmission grid being rebuilt inside of 5 or even 10 years
- Justin Yost
None of these buildings existed 12 years ago except for the TV tower. http://www.flickr.com/photos... Now, look out 12 more years. How much else is China going to do? A LOT.
- Robert Scoble
I'm all for an energy moon shot. I agree that it is essential. I just remain unconvinced that it is "the answer". We need to change the game on so many fronts, it's pretty overwhelming to ponder, especially when you encounter nothing but resistance to any suggestion that our spendthrift culture needs to alter its values.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Values will only change with a large-scale change in circumstance. And what are our circumstances? Unemployment at 6.5% and energy is cheaper again. Values stagnate. I wish we had put a $3 floor on gas prices, like so many 'liberal communists' had suggested.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Jason, it's not the answer. It's a start on a process. China is taking a 50 year approach to rebuilding their country. We need to do the same thing, but even bigger scale and with international support.
- Robert Scoble
Hey, there's the long-term view, cool. I like the sound of "50 year". When we can look past the next quarterly earnings report we'll be getting somewhere.
- Jason Wehmhoener
@Robert Scoble Their plan is strategic, to gain a large market share in manufacture of consumer goods giving them economic leverage over their traditional adversaries in the West.
- Greer Trice
@Jason Wehmhoener - Yes, the ONLY way we will be able to achieve a sustainable anything is to regress as Dr. Patel said in Robert's interview. Sustainability by its very definition demands that you take a long term view in planning, operations, purchasing and disposal. Locally we ban bottled water, buy carbon credits, and drive a hybrid. All band-aid fixes to our sagging economic bubble. .
- Greer Trice
We have nationally become a society of entitled consumers. We need to look inward for solutions. It is not a short-term fix, it is not an easy row to hoe. It means manufacturing onshore, using local talent which in reality is available, just not at the delightful rates you can import it. The way to "Fix" the economy and achieve sustainability is to start from yourself and work outward from there.
- Greer Trice
Thank you Robert for bringing that out. I recall seeing the pictures of chinese citizens wearing masks years ago while sitting in a doctor's office for (immunology and complex allergies) MCS. They called people like me "canaries" because of the canaries that coal miners used to carry into the mine to warn them of poisonous gas.
- Melanie Reed
I was also selected by a scholarship program to go to China as a student IT representative this year (in May) but had to turn it down because of the pollution content there.
- Melanie Reed
Greer, I agree, well said. However, "yourself" isn't going to be sufficient either. We all need to make this change. It's personal, but we need to support each other in this effort, so it's also collaborative. We need a supportive atmosphere for change. I'd like to stop hearing "it's impossible" when the subject comes up. I do see attitudes shifting, so I'm hopeful.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I almost went to China but couldn't go at the last minute because of SARS :(
- Kamilah Gill
Just visited electronics market in Shanghai. They are selling knockoff iPhones which take two SIM cards and have replaceable batteries.
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Bring a box of 'em back please.
- Josh Haley
Sounds awesome. how much?
- Scott Overpeck
Photos or a short video of the market would be nice if possible, hint, hint!
- Roney Smith
Scott: about $200 before negotiating. I have some photos, but will post them later tonight.
- Robert Scoble
Look forward to seeing them. You know anyone who has tried one.
- Scott Overpeck
Scott: I don't. Everyone has real iPhones that I've met with, but then I'm hanging out with geeks.
- Robert Scoble
Definitely bring some back. Need a shipping address?
- Ralph Riccardi
Dealextreme has knockoff iPhones all the time. Not sure if they're dual SIM but my memory is they fetch about $120ish plus a few dollars shipping (which is super fast). I can't vouch for whether they actually work. I think the $199 price for an 8GB iPhone takes a lot of the wind out of the sales of the these fakes.
- Wayne Schulz
WOW - What a concept!! "and have replaceable batteries”
- JimmyJet
Replaceable batteries might have saved my co-worker, who dropped her phone into water. Sadly, I don't think there's a way to quickly kill all power to an iPhone, if you can't remove the battery.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Photos will be nice! I wonder if the knock offs function as well as the real thing, the battery idea is very cool though.
- MedicalQuack
Robert, have you see Android knockoffs?
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Have fun in Shanghai robert. Try to take time for an evening visit @ "JC Club" in Fuxing Xi Lu / Wulumuqin Lu - great little jazz-place. Today Sunday is nice - w CoCo a local star. Show starts around 10pm.
- Niels Peter
Julio: I haven't seen any Android knockoffs yet. In the black market everyone comes up to you and says "handbag? watch? iPhone?"
- Robert Scoble
Android is open source. There's no such thing as an Android knockoff.
- scott anderson
PLEEASE show us some pics or videos of the iphone knockoffs
- natadd
natadd: I will post those later tonight. Still have tons of meetings today.
- Robert Scoble
No knockoffs of the Android software - but were these running the genuine iPhone OS? If so, you could get the same with Android: knockoff hardware, say copying the T-Mobile one, but running genuine Android.
- James
On the android thing, iirc there is already work being done getting android up and running on the neo freerunner. That is the latest openmoko phone, btw ;)
- turn.self.off
It might be fun to get Android running on the knockoff iPhones.
- scott anderson
A woman and little boy are sitting next to me at Farley's, playing w Lincoln Logs & speaking Italian to each other. My ovaries are aching.
Rochelle, Josh Haley, Yatin Vadhia and 2 other people liked this
Ok, NOW I've seen everything there is to see on twitter....
- Live4Emma (L4S)
I can help you with that...;) j/k
- mace
Whoa Sarah!
- Josh Haley
Hey @pleasedressme crew, if you can find this shirt for me I'll love you forever: http://tumblelog.sarahlane.com/post...
Yatin Vadhia and Josh Haley liked this
heh heh
- Josh Haley
Know why it's good to be jobless? I'm going to sit in front of the TV watching crappy election coverage all damn day. DRINKING BEER. NAKED.
Mark, Carroll, Mike Thompson and 41 other people liked this
Crap! I loved Pop Siren and Internet Superstar. Stupid Revision3!
- ·[▪_▪]·
I just have one thing to ask. What kind of beer?
- Leo Laporte
You will return!
- Dan Nimtz
Why don't you start your own podcast? I'm sure GoDaddy and others would hop on as advertisers! Get a TubeMogul account and be your own syndicate company! Heck... Contact @moth at NextNewNetworks and pitch a show... start up a wiki and look for some volunteers for writing and motion graphics... YOU CAN DO IT....
- Taiwan Brown
I just have one thing to ask. How naked?
- Josh Haley
Turn on a webcam! :-)
- Robert Scoble
as they say in Azeroth, screenshot or it didn't happen.
- Chris Hollander
Leo, I offered to ensure she had good beer by sending her some of our awesome home craft brews (www.gatheringbrews.com). I simply await the request, and I'll send enough to get her through the next election :)
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
Yo! That sounds like fun ;-)
- Sally Church
Picts or its not happening..
- Uncle CW™
Ok, it is not too late, get out on the street, volunteer to help at the poles, but put on clothes first.
- Lorraine Ball
I'll be right over!
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
@leolaporte Anchor Steam, natch!
- Sarah Lane
@Brian Norwood Sorry, my condolences on your unemployment, but offer only good to Sarah Lane :) We're firm supporters of naked electioneering and Pop Sirens. Wait, that doesn't sound right...
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
pics, or it didn't happen (j/k)
- Yatin Vadhia
If I was with you I'd be having a better day.
- Robert Hafer
Hey i've beeing doing that for ages. Just don't forget to put the clothes back on when you run out of beer.
- Pedro Fonseca
Holy HELL! You were drinking NAKED beer! Photos? LOL!
- Jeff Garlick
So, how'd your day go?
- Mistletoe Glen
Family Guy Sums Up Iraq War In 30 Seconds - http://www.hulu.com/watch...
Chu Yeow, Karthik, ◄ani625Ξ and Yatin Vadhia liked this
Sounds great but US only :(
- Martin Lee
from Alert Thingy
@sackmunky no problem, I'll gladly pay higher taxes to give others (like my family) a tax break
AJ Kohn, Dan Morrill AKA Techwag, FFing Enigma (aka Tina) and 3 other people liked this
Why should you have to pay higher taxes to give anyone a break? You earned your money right? I'm taxed enough!
- Tom
Oh, here comes the pity party of the rich. Yes, you SHOULD be taxed. Go and cry in your summer home about it.
- Fleagle
Someone's taxes have to go up... its just the way it is. You can't really tax the poor so the only alternative is to tax the wealthy. However, I won't get into how to define wealthy and poor.
- Ryan
Just because I work and work hard and earned every penny I have does not mean I should have to pay even more taxes. Get off your ass and start working hard.
- Tom
Paying a little higher in taxes is ok, but the Estate tax being raised 4x.. :(
- EminiAddict
I agree that if you work hard you should be able to keep what you earn. But plenty of people work hard and don't get paid shit. The government needs taxes to operate and that money has to come from somewhere, we can't just keep printing it as needed and borrowing from anyone that will let us.
- Ryan
Tom, with what's happening to the economy, unemployment will go up. Telling everyone to work harder is hardly helpful.
- Tanath
I still confused why every cry baby about taxes assume their money (*if* they even break the $250K taxable bracket) is going to some bum on welfare. I guess that's what the campaign told them to think. Capital gains is going back to where it used to be.
- Paul Reynolds
Paul, I agree. From my experience it seems like most people complaining about the increase in the 250k+ bracket, don't even fall into that bracket.
- Ryan
Why do taxes have to go up? Why can't spending come down to be what the current revenue is? That's how it works at my house.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
@Ryan: You mean like Joe the Plumber?
- Chris Reed
@Chris, yes exactly like Joe the "Plumber". And I love that BS about how, well its the American Dream to be wealthly like that and "you" are just crushing the American Dream if want to tax the rich.
- Ryan
@Ryan Or as he really is, Joe the right-wing plant who we could lie and say Obama came to his door when he came up to him unlicensed plumber.
- Chris Reed
If you don't like paying taxes, then stop driving on our roads, stop using our schools, stop counting on social security, be completely screwed when you are laid off, stop calling 911, stop saving money in banks, don't vote, don't complain when any company infringes on your rights, don't complain when some foreign power invades your home, don't complain when a criminal using a gun comes in to your house and takes all your stuff...in fact, if you don't want to pay taxes, stop complaining about anything...
- Alex Scoble
@Mark, unfortunately, you live in the real world where you are held accountable and have to deal with consequences when you run out of money. At this point the federal government when they run out of money they can make more. If you ran out of money but could make more with "no" consequences would you?
- Ryan
All of that stuff is provided for by your tax dollars...including the protection of your first amendment rights...so if you don't want to pay taxes, you have the right to not say anything.
- Alex Scoble
@ Brian I know I am Brian and I expected all the responses to go the way they are going.
- Tom
And that's the problem, Ryan. That's exactly the problem. There is no downside to bouncing a cheque when it's gubberment money...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
It's easy for anyone to pay more in taxes. No need for a new law. Just report everything you have as income and don't take any deductions or credits. You don't need Obama to pay more in taxes, unless of course you want to FORCE everyone else to pay more too. But that doesn't have anything to do with being 'happy' to pay more, it is about being 'happy' to make others pay more. You're free to pay more... if you want.
- Steve Olson
@Mark I agree whole heartily. We should not be spending more than we bring in but with the Fed they have millions of people relying on them. In your household you have a handful. If your life is miserable for X amount of time because you don't have the money YOU will survive. If millions of people are miserable because the government can't provide, the government will cease to exist. I know that is an extreme view, but thats is how it is justifyable to make up more money when we shouldn't be.
- Ryan
Why not just give/donate your money to people you feel deserve it? Do you really want people like Ted Stevens or Nancy Pelosi deciding where it should go?
- Mike
Currently in this country we have this large problem where everyone wants all sorts of services and breaks but no one wants to pay for them. We end up with a budget system where everything then gets put on the credit card (bonds) and the economy goes into the tank with huge deficits. Guess what people, someone eventually has to pay the bill!
- Glenn Batuyong
If you want more money for Gov. programs you need to lower taxes. Every tax decrease has resulted in net increase in revenue.
- Robert Hafer
@Ryan So bankrupting 300 Million people is a better choice than bankrupting 10 Million? And in your example, "In your household you have a handful. If your life is miserable for X amount of time because you don't have the money YOU will survive." why doesn't this apply to those millions, as well, and only to me? Am I that much better equipped to handle 'life?' I think I am average at best...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Mark: the only way to bring spending down in any sort of reasonable and EFFECTIVE way is to cut DoD spending. Half your income tax goes straight to them: you could cut 20% off of every other program and still get hosed on your tax bill. But no one (especially McCain), is looking to cut DoD spending.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina: My tax bill isn't the problem; the lack of a line-item veto, a "Balanced Budget" requirement as law, and possibly term limits, are the problem.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
@Mark, I assumed you were average. The tax increase will be effecting the 250k+ bracket and in my experience that is not average. If this tax increase bankrupts someone in that bracket, they deserve it for being an idiot. If you are saying that current policies of making up money when we don't have it will cause the fed go bankrupt and will screw us all... I agree.
- Ryan
Mark: the statement 'your tax bill' was intended as a generic, as in anyone who pays their taxes in this country is getting hosed b/c 50Cents on the dollar is going to the military. We're throwing so much money at protecting ourselves that we're forgetting to make sure we have something worth protecting.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Okay, very few arguing for more progressive taxes 'hate' people who do well for themselves. This is simply about restoring the progressive tax policies we had for decades. There's a good chance I'll pay more under the Obama plan next year *fingers crossed*. I'll be looking for better government efficiency, but I'm okay with paying a bit more if America as a whole gets stronger.
- AJ Kohn
thanks!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@Ryan, I actually meant it a different way but worded it very poorly. I'll try again. I am of average ability. As a small business owner my income will put me in the upper ranges of the tax table, no matter who is writting the code. My argument is, why bankrupt the entire country for a small percentage of people who can not seem to care for themselves? Is it not supposed to be "For the good of the many at the expense of the few?"
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
@Tina: Gotcha ;)
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
i'm fortunate to earn the wages i've worked hard for, and i'm willing to share it with the less fortunate.
- Chris Hollander
@Mark, are you assuming that all of the money taken in by the tax increase will go to support those whom can not care for themselves? If that is the argument, I guess it comes down to how "who can not seem to care for themselves" is defined. I don't think all that money will go to help the unemployed. But if it goes to provide better healthcare for people (who may not be able to afford it on their salary, therefore fall into the unable to care for themselves category), I see that as being a good thing.
- Ryan
Spock says: "logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. " ;p
- AJ Kohn
The problem with Obama's plan is that he says "everybody needs to do their part" - that everybody needs to pay their way. Yet if his plan were inacted as it now exists, 49% of Americans would pay no income taxes at all, and they will pay little to no SS taxes, even though they will get full SS benefits. How is that in any way reasonable? Do they not use our roads, our schools, our courts, etc. etc. etc.
- Dawn
And Kevin: if you want to help your family, why don't you just help your family? Why do you need the government to get involved?
- Dawn
No, Ryan, what I am saying is that justifying deficit-spending is not logical and can not be justified. It should be illegal. I am not arguing for or against any specific program. What I am saying is we need to prioritize the spending, and when we get to the point on the list that, added-up equals revenue, that's the end of the list. That's what I'm saying. You brought up the 'millions...
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- MVB (Grinch of FF)
The real increase will come from letting the Bush tax cuts expire. I do payroll for a small restaurant and I can assure you that no one who works in food service is rich. These average, real people got a real break and real money in their pockets.
- Robert Hafer
@Dawn: The % just doesn't move *that* much from the current %. Your argument seems to be less about Obama and more about progressive taxation in general. Also, the distribution of non-payers skews heavily to historically conservative states.
- AJ Kohn
Voting Intimidation By Black Panthers In Philadelphia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... - You (edit | delete)
- Csturm
AJ: My argument is more about Obama because he is giving that 49% "rebates" and puttting half of our population on public assistance via the tax code and SS. Turning the IRS and SS Administration into welfare agencies that are doling out checks to half the country who never paid in is a HUGE difference. Okay "change."
- Dawn
Why I Support Barack Obama - Tim O'Reilly - http://radar.oreilly.com/2008...
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"We need a president who can forge consensus" No evidence Obama can do this; "We need a president who can inspire our citizens and our global partners to forgo narrow self interest" One of his talking points is to vote for our narrow self interests, i.e. a vote for him is a blow against the rich people who are not doing enough for everyone else.
- ComicList
Charles...that's just not true. Colin freaking Powell endorsed him and many Reps I know, especially the REAL Reps, not the neocon usurpers of the party's agendas, have decided to go with Obama...there is consensus, and the polls reflect it, just not a consensus that some people wish to recognize and wish did not exist. As for your second point...the government serving all the people instead of just the top 2% is hardly a vote for narrow self-interest...it's a vote for general self-interest.
- Neal Jansons
Succeed Whale has broken free!
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it's about time! ;)
- Joshua Schnell
It most certainly has! Hoorray for Twitter.
- Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
It'd be nice to get that on a mug to go next to my failwhale mug (hint hint)
- Chris Weiss
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Sad day over at Rev3, a few shows were cut.. friends now without jobs... sucks
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Fricken' recession!
- Josh Haley
You must have known Kevin, last night on twit live when you were talking with Sarah and joking around, you must have known the company you co-own was going to fire her a few hours later. -
- David Lloyd
Harsh, mark, harsh. Give kevin a liitle breathing space over rev3.
- Roberto Bonini
Knowing wouldn't have made the day any less sad or sucky.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
One downfall of social networking companies. Too many friends, and not enough jobs; especially in times of economic hardship.
- Bob Blunk
The Noisy Drinking Cat - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Adorable.
- Eric Geller
I make that same sound when drinking!
- 19Kilo
It's true. Which is why we stopped inviting him to parties.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
nom nom nom nom!!
- Alan
The Best Obama video yet, making the close. - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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I don't know how anyone can watch this and not think, "here is a great man, a serious thinker, and our best hope to rebuild America."
- Leo Laporte
What has he ever done?
- Csturm
Why is he a great man? Is it because he going to tax corporations out of comparativeness to support the lower middle class?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
What has he done? Read about the man. Check out the books and writings on him. He is a leader, and given the chance he could be a great one bringing the country together to solve problems instead of arguing.
- Dion Almaer
You are right, this just might be his best video yet.
- Bastian
I keep hearing the tax thing get parroted about but don't folks think it's a bit of an exaggeration? I honestly find it hard that either candidate are going to be able to lower taxes AND fund the bailout and any other program they intend to fund with the economy in the state it's in currently
- Bryan
Yeah, I'm voting Obama, but he's still a politician willing to say what he thinks he needs to in order to get elected. This country is pretty much ruined--our economy is trashed, our military won't be able to pull out of Iraq as quickly as Obama is claiming--he's going to have an impossible time doing anything right. That said, McCain has 2+ decades of experience creating & reinforcing the current system that let to this mess. Let's vote for something that at least represents change. Just my 2¥.
- thepete
Bryan, the key is that while Obama lowers taxes for all but the top 5%, those 5% do pay more. They don't pay a crazy amount more, but by virtue of the fact that half the nation's income is made by a very small sliver at the top, this modest increase compensates for the easing of the tax burden on the other 95%. This is the 'share the wealth socialism' that McCain keep talking about. It's up to each of us to decide whether its fair. I think it is.
- Kevin Fox
Why not have a flat tax and have everyone pay 10% of what they make?
- Csturm
My favorite part of the pitch is that he wants to do a complete audit of government spending and get rid of the programs that don't work. I don't hear that from McCain (who seems only focused on reducing earmarks, which, while I agree need to be reduced, make up a small percentage of total government spending). It seems to me that's how he will be able to afford new programs and the tax cuts, by getting rid of the stuff we don't need anyway.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Caroll, I think everyone pays more than 10% now (except for those who are below the poverty line). That wouldn't work. I'm in favor of a consumption tax. You pay on what you spend instead of what you make. But neither candidate is interested in such a radical reform.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
He's not a leader, he just has followers who don't question or dig very deeply into the reality behind his rhetoric.
- Andrew Leyden
I'm consistently shocked that the Republicans don't push for a flat tax. They are a party built on tax issues. To consistently propose tax agenda that pushes solidly for lower taxes for the top 5% of America, they shoot themselves in the foot. People seem to be in favor of tax fairness, but tax breaks for the wealthy just aren't going to be a winnable issues most years.
- Andrew
Consumption tax,wouldn't this tax the poor more? What would be excluded from a consumption tax? What would You put the rate at?
- Csturm
Very easily, Leo -- very easily...
- Todd Lohenry
Andrew, with all due respect, you're dead wrong. What "reality" aren't we digging into exactly? I believe strongly in progressive taxation, so it's not like I'm failing to understand what Obama proposes there (which is a rollback of recent tax cuts for the wealthy). Are you talking about bogeymen like Ayers/ACORN/etc.?
- ⓞnor
Wow, an American politican actually talking about the issues that face the country and the policies he'll enact to address them. Of course, logic and reason seem wasted on American voters- he should have just called McCaina secret Muslim and a terrorist, that seems to be the only thing they understand.
- Maverick
While everyone is blaming Republicans for the past 8 years of mistakes, Iraq and the economy, do not forget all their work was approved by the democrats in the house and the senate. The democrats give Bush ok to invade Iraq. The democrats allowed Greenspan to keep the interest rates low to create the housing bubble. So will Obama fix the American problems now that the democrats will have the house, the senate, and the presidency? I doubt it, they could have put a stop to these mistakes before!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Oh and the democrats did approve a tax cut for the 5% of the rich Americans! ;-)
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Consumption tax. Why not just have ONE tax? NO Tax code required. No Tax on Food, but on everything else. Much less admin, so more tax money goes to fund projects and not the collectors. No Annual Tax return required. We all save a shedload of money there too. The rich spend more than the poor so they'd still pay more.
- Ian May
Consumption taxes have big problems. The obvious one is that it is inherently regressive. No matter how high you set the floor on the policy, the people who make the least will pay a higher percentage. And it encourages a black-market. If you have to pay the price plus 20%, someone will offer the product for just the price and make a killing.
- Andrew
Anyone else notice that the video closes with "Barack Obama - President"? Given the kerfuffle over the rumor that he already has a draft of his inauguration speech, why give the GOP any more 'already measuring the curtains' fodder? That said, seeing the words gave me a happy chill down my spine. Maybe they figure the good chills overpower the bad.
- Kevin Fox
OK so consumption tax could create a black market. However, income tax does the same in it's own way. I'll fix your widget, and you pay me cash, and no tax is paid on that income. So surely, same argument?
- Ian May
I am not fixed in anyone's talking points or ideology. I have considered Obama and his party, and I find them lacking. I do find him to be a very clever politician, this video being evidence. Obama has used special interests and divisiveness the entire time he has climbed the political ladder, and I have no reason to believe he will suddenly change when he is elected President.
- ComicList
Ian - It is the same thing to a degree. A consumption tax creates a system of organized crime. In order to be a illegal seller have to get the goods from somewhere. You have to setup shop and keep people from ratting on you. You have to have criminal employees. And organized crime typically leads to violence and other problems. A one off non-taxed transaction now just involves you and the service provider. There is less room for other criminal complications.
- Andrew
Are we voting for issues or for greatness? Maybe we should be electing Madonna?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
It is clear to me Obama is taking the recent polls seriously, otherwise he would not be proposing a "top to bottom audit." He's trying to out-McCain John McCain, and most likely he will succeed.
- ComicList
Chuck - How has Obama used divisiveness? Honest question.
- Andrew
Keep in mind, though, I have never looked for a "great man" to "rebuild America," least of all someone who doesn't understand the role of the President, the role of the federal government, or the Constitution. Yes, Obama is serious thinker, but he's not great and he's not my hope.
- ComicList
In the end, when he wins, Obama will have my prayers, not only that he accepts Christ as his Saviour, but that Obama helps us all understand that men, great or small, and government, are not the answer and not our hope.
- ComicList
@thepete, unfortunately, your assessment is accurate.
- ComicList
Hear hear, Chuck! The answer are the People! We need to educate ourselves not follow the heard!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@Occasional Headbanger, one recent example: he told his followers to get into people's faces if they thought those people were not going to vote for Obama. My wife was shopping yesterday at our local mall, and the three Obama supporters in line before her were harrassing the clerk trying to ring up their purchases, demanding she say she would vote for Obama. When she said she didn't want to talk about politics, they denounced her as a racist.
- ComicList
Obama has spent his campaign time trying to turn his supporters against McCain supporters, the poor against the rich, and worst of all, blacks against whites. I don't believe he's seriously interested in ending partisanship when partisanship has been his bread and butter.
- ComicList
Nothing new! On Friend Feed if you do not agree with an Obama A-Lister with support for Obama, you get blocked! ;-)
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I am a registered Republican and I can admitt that this video is great. But I will not be voting for Obama ... I have had him as an IL state senator and a US Senator. Obama has done very little actual work. He is a great speaker and motivator, but not a good implementer or problem solver. He will probably surround himself with good people, but we said the same about W and Colin Powell. Obama does not get my vote
- John Head
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True on blocking people that do not like oboma. I have been blocked by many people.
- Csturm
@comiclist: Are you serious? Obama is a Christian. Not that that should matter. What kind of BS have you been listening to?
- Tanath
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- ben
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Man!, I wish I had that kind of free time.
- Robert Hafer
Nice use of the generic Apple GarageBand tracks.
- Fleagle
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