"Web 2.0 was created so that people could publish cute photos of their cats. But this same cat dissemination technology has proved extremely helpful for activists, who’ve turned these tools to their own purposes." - Ethan Zuckerman (http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog...)
: ) - "Twitter lets Robert Scoble tell me what he’s doing 200 freaking times a day… but it also lets me know whether Egyptian activists have been released from the police station when they go in for questioning."
- Sarah Miller
Facebook is unusable? That's what I'm reading here. Well, please explain how 300 million use it then. Including my wife, my son, me, and ALL of Maryam's elementary school friends from Iran.
I think some of the stuff I'm reading about Facebook is laughable. Really? I went over and used it tonight and the news feed is very similar to FriendFeed. The technology from here will fit right in.
- Robert Scoble
Actually, Robert's right. FriendFeed's basically a superior version of the Facebook news feed.
- Dennis Jernberg
I wish Friend Feed was keyboard navigatable though. Google Reader and GMail have spoiled me; making me think that web apps can be usable as well. I don't like using the mouse so much.
- Travis B. Hartwell
It's gotten a bit easier since they started copying Twitter/Friendfeed...but its the third-party silly stuff that puts me off. Serious stuff was always better here in Friendfeed.
- George Hall (Australia)
George: I ignore all that stuff, it never bothered me.
- Robert Scoble
When do do we get hear what the plan actually is? I have used the FF app in facebook from time to time. But the problem is facebook is clunky due to it's massive membership so I tend click back to here. Is FB really going to get faster? It be smart to have both running in tandem methinks no?
- BairdWilliamson
Facebook is like the social housing estate next door. There are some decent people living there, and there are some pockets of nobs who will steal the hubcaps off your car and throw them through your windows while trying to sell some dodgy dvd's on the street corners.
- Gilbert Harding
Almost everyone I know IRL uses Facebook, but increasingly grudgingly.
- Tinfoil 2.0
I know millions of people who use four remote controls to watch TV.
- Luca Sofri
It is not usable in the way that friendfeed is (I know there are problems)
- Paul Kinlan
I'll go with the train. If the train heads to Facebook I suppose thats where I need to go as well :) I'm absolute certain that FF staff will have a great impact on the user experience of FB. Trying to be positive I also think it's a great thing that FB still strive to evolve.
- Patrik Arwengrim
Facebook is ugly, looks like a corporate site and very slow and clunky, like a busy factory with adds at every corner
- Thierry Lhôte
Baird: software takes months. Paul is right. But Paul, you can just ignore a lot of the complexity there.
- Robert Scoble
hhahaha, sth. like that i thought this second too, Luca :)
- Ronald
Facebook is unusable to do the things that FriendFeed can do
- Anthony Feint
lol, the #1 excuse I hear for people migrating from FriendFeed to Facebook is the annoying applications on the home feed. You can edit those out of your view you know. Same for people you don't want to converse with (privacy settings).
- Hugh Isaacs II
@Robert - I find Facebook extremely useful... for playing Mafia and FarmTown style games. Engagement is just difficult there. I'm not sure if it's the UI, the crowd I have there, or what, but I just don't get into a comfortable conversational groove there on FB the way I do on Twitter or here.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
in fact, the four founders of Friendfeed recieved a trader bonus, for doing real-time search on Facebook, not changing Facebook to become Friendfeed
- Thierry Lhôte
Robert - you're confusing number of users with ease of use. Millions of people of all ages used to be happy with their cellphones, but it wasn't until the iPhone came along that those people saw how usable a phone *could* be.
- Andrew Terry
robert: I think it is hard to ignore the complexity, it took me ages to upload a phote once (or even find where to do it)
- Paul Kinlan
robert: and there is no discovery... I love ff for its friend of a friend features and best of the day.... oh and my discussions.
- Paul Kinlan
I think someone hit the nail on the head. The one thing really missing from the Facebook experience is the sort of engagement we have here at Friendfeed.
- George Hall (Australia)
robert: no sharing content is what im talking about. I actually don't personally know the people I follow on FriendFeed. many are influencers like yourself. This is where I get my news. On Facebook you have Friends not Followers
- Anthony Feint
anyway, the key way to tell something is not friendly to someone, it is listening to that someone. That someone says it's not. You can't go and tell him he's wrong in what he doesn't like.
- Luca Sofri
Anthony: that's changing and quickly. My Facebook looks exactly like FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Why are you using FF and Twitter and not FB then? Besides, they totally hid the applications so anything not out of the box is hard to get to. Advanced functionalities are hard to get to. It's the only site I can think of that I had to use the Help section to find stuff...
- Eran Kampf
from iPhone
also I do believe the UI on Facebook is terrible. It took me 5 attempts to try and create a page on Facebook and I still have to do a search for it when I want to view it
- Anthony Feint
Robert, its all the poking and quizzes and other jejune stuff on Facebook
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
@Aaman, block the quizzes from your home feed.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Aaman: I've been on Facebook for a long time and I just ignore that stuff. No harm to me.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook is cluttered. It's not a platform for sharing information and discussion. They're intended for two entirely separate purposes. That being said, I definitely am looking forward to what the FriendFeed team can do with Facebook. If real-time search is where they stop, it'll be hell.
- Adam Reyher
from Alert Thingy
On Facebook you choose your friends, just like here. Some differences, plus over there you have to decide whether you're going to be public or private up front.
- Robert Scoble
So why you were then one of the sincerest ambassadors for FF and NOT FB? But taste changes...
- Ronald
@Hugh what I was implying was that FF is open participation, so I am talking to you, I might not be following you but I am still talking to you; FB is open to 300 million users most of which I couldn't stop talking to me even if I wanted. Usage wise (from my perception) FB is closed to your personal groups, FF is discovery, the twain shall never mesh
- Paul Kinlan
Robert Scoble was more interesting when he actually had a defensible opinion, rather than just went along with whatever the industry seemed to be doing and worked to egg people on. We remember those times, don't we?
- Andy Bakun
I always laugh at people saying "what's the problem? Just do this, and it is ok". But the reason we use computers and software is we don't want to do this. We want to have things exactly the way we need them, not the way we need them if we just do this and this.
- Luca Sofri
@Paul, I think that's going to change with the FriendFeed acquisition. Facebook's aiming more for the public stuff instead of only focusing on close relationships now.
- Hugh Isaacs II
cool, I used the word twain (evern if it is wrong)
- Paul Kinlan
@sofiagk, Everything on Facebook is choice, I doubt they'll force you to be public, it'll probably be very tightly controlled.
- Hugh Isaacs II
@Hugh, I would love FB to change to be more like FF but I can't see it happening, I would love to get to see the real-time search (someone said they just released it).
- Paul Kinlan
sofiagk: I completely agree - Facebook was built for closed and private networks. Which is the complete opposite of FF. I don't want to setup complex privacy settings becasue I don't want my family to be inundated with php and coding articles.
- Anthony Feint
FB's great strength was for the private stuff. If I'm forced to choose between public and private, I'm going to stay private, because that's where my IRL friends are. Sorry, FFers.
- James Myatt
@Paul, I don't think Facebook plans to continue as just a closed network anymore, I think their goal is to cover all types of social interactions on the web so it's very likely they'll have FriendFeed like features.
- Hugh Isaacs II
@sofiagk, What's to say Facebook can't act as two tools instead of one?
- Hugh Isaacs II
@hugh, the had better change their API to support that type activity then.
- Paul Kinlan
Hugh, I'm sure it can, but it's going to be really awkward. Like using a Swiss army knife to put shelves together and then skin a rabbit.
- James Myatt
I think Facebook really need to sketch out what they're going to do with Friendfeed, and that might help people adapt to the idea better. At the moment, too much speculation and people really have no idea what to expect of this.
- George Hall (Australia)
I've never beeon a big user of FF. I still don't quite get it. I use FB to keep in touch with people I know. As far as I can see FF is more for discovering stuff and discussing it with people I don't. Or have I missed the point?
- Marc A. Price
@sofiagk, When you look at what Facebooks done so far, it seems like they just want all of the internets social interactions in one place. I mean it does sound silly but sticking to one thing is what killed off Friendster, Classmates, MySpace and so on.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Marc, I think that is exactly the point
- James Myatt
Being on FF is like publishing only things you want. With advanced privacy settings, you can just filter what to share on FB. BUT (a big but) I don't trust Facebook and I've seen it enabling stuff like alerts and configuration settings just because they had some error in their system. I don't share my private life on FF but I share family pictures, my personal details like my cell phone because I only allow people I know personally on FB.
- Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
My biggest problems with using Facebook like Friendfeed are lack of friend-of-friend content (if someone else likes / comments on something, I don't get that in my feed), barriers to engagement (subscribing to someone you don't really "know" on FF is fine; sending a friend request to someone you don't really "know" on FB is not cool), and the fact that stuff falls down the feed too quickly because likes / comments don't bump it to the top again.
- Tristan Seligmann
@hugh, they haven't changed their api at all, the status stream is a bit of a joke.
- Paul Kinlan
@sofiagk, that's what the privacy settings are for. In real life you don't take on multiple personas (well at least I don't think you do) so why do it on the internet? And in real life certain conversations are private, kept from others. You shouldn't require separate identities for that.
- Hugh Isaacs II
And you can't expect them to know the perfect network for human interaction. The fact that they're trying gives me confidence though. It's like Googles goal to store all of the worlds information in one place, it won't happen but it definitely made some great products.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Hugh, you do need separate places for that so that there's no risk of being overheard accidentally.
- James Myatt
@sofiagk, I don't honestly. I'm defending them based off of idealism not favoritism. And yea, handling all of that stuff will probably end up in a million mistakes but it's a product, that happens. Also what's to say Facebook can't have multiple products? (That could be apart of this whole FriendFeed thing)
- Hugh Isaacs II
I think it makes more sense to have multiple "spaces" (work / private / whatever) in the same tool than arbitrarily dividing those up across multiple tools.
- Tristan Seligmann
For example, most people would probably not create a Yahoo email account for emailing some people, and a GMail account for emailing others; they would just create two GMail accounts.
- Tristan Seligmann
@Tristan, It's funny alot of people on FriendFeed are talking about migrating to Google Wave because of the whole Facebook thing, and in reality that's what Wave is going to do.
- Hugh Isaacs II
All of the big companies whether open or not are aiming at owning your internet identity, they don't want separate identities because it doesn't define everything correctly. That's why Google has their profiles feature, why so many companies support OpenID, etc... It may not be something you're used to but over time it will just be one account per person, based on how social networking evolves.
- Hugh Isaacs II
I bet even FriendFeed had that idea (Hint: Google, Facebook and Twitter log in feature).
- Hugh Isaacs II
Carefully observe how someone communicates on phone call versus a face-to-face conversation. It's different—for one thing speaking in a louder volume on the phone. The medium influences the communication itself (but don't get me started on McLuhan ;) So multiple tools can help achieve a certain dynamic that would not have happened just by using another feature inside a single service/construct. That's certainly been my experience on FriendFeed.
- Micah
@Micah, Wouldn't Facebook count as multiple tools in itself. You can have a toolbox, that doesn't mean all of it's contents equal one tool.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Well, I guess this is more of a Swiss Army knife, but the analogy still applies.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Hugh, typically, the same culture/available resources produce stuff under a certain paradigm.
- Micah
@Micah, I doubt they'd just stuff all of your social interactions under one blanket.
- Hugh Isaacs II
They've already separated all of my friends by relation.
- Hugh Isaacs II
I mean, look at FriendFeed, I used the Facebook Connect feature to log in, but I don't interact on here as I would with my friends
- Hugh Isaacs II
Facebook is just really cluttered, and it's UI looses focus on so many fronts. Take the start page - i've missed events, birthdays and other stuff because its burried with a million things on one page. But that's where the people are. I
- Shawn Roos
Or you are SO wrong here. People pretend they are using it - then their wife asks - btw, honey, how did you create that fan page about me? And he says - WTF? :)
- Sasha Kovaliov
Apostol, lol :) The idea is that usability could have been much-much better! Right now it's a total mess and there is a lot of room for improvement. Yes, people use it everyday, but do they use all of it?
- Sasha Kovaliov
@Sasha, do you use all of FriendFeed? (Example: Last.Fm, Brightkite, desktop notifications, google talk integration, etc...)
- Hugh Isaacs II
Then why use people not using all of Facebook as an argument?
- Hugh Isaacs II
from iPod
FB is not unusable, but it is bloated. Tough to set things up the way that I want. Too many new toys/apps popping up almost in every second. I'm tired of hiding this, hiding that from the feeds
- ilterocktive
It's still pretty simple and pleasant to use provided you don't install any applications IMO :P.
- James Stephenson
James: what about not being able to stop some favorite friends from installing any applications? :)
- ilterocktive
ilter: Ummm ... I guess you could start selecting your friends based on their Facebook Applications :P? That would be a sad, sad day...
- James Stephenson
Maybe we need a seperate facebook application. Wait... are there ANY facebook desktop applications? AIR-free preferred (for now) :)
- ilterocktive
@sofiagk, I read your blog post and understand your argument but the same rule still stands. You only have one body. As with the friend list feature on Facebook you have social barriers that keep some people away from what others may see. I know it sounds foolish to push all of your social interactions under one service, but if that service can recreate the same personas you use in real life, the only argument against it would be ease of use, comfort and bugs.
- Hugh Isaacs II
@sofiagk, that's what I've been getting at this whole time. I mean I know Facebook in it's current state doesn't do a great job of controlling who sees what, but I'm sure they've been working on that. The FriendFeed acquisition is probably to cater to that.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Facebook has lots of usability issue. For example, they hid all the apps in that ridiculous bottom toolbar making them less accessible. It took me a while to find that my events are now there... If you want to do anything a bit more advanced than the basic functions then you'll probably lost without their help site (took me a while to figure out how to set permissions to different groups... ). Facebook should be way easier to use...
- Eran Kampf
@Eran, Windows does the same thing. Hides all of the apps in that ridiculous bottom toolbar. ^_^
- Hugh Isaacs II
If its so good and usable... why do you use FriendFeed\Twitter?
- Eran Kampf
@Eran, Facebook doesn't let me hold public conversations like the one we're currently having (which I think is bound to change).
- Hugh Isaacs II
It's not unusable... it's TOO usable. Too easily gamed by spam apps, too visible to employers who want to block it, too easy for advertisers to target your feed and use your stuff. And way, way too cluttered. It's like the boardwalk in Atlantic City... I avoid it if I can but every so often I make the mistake of going and find that it hasn't changed. Friendfeed on the other hand has none of the crap, while it does have a boatload of interesting, engaged people.
- Jim #TeamMonique
@Jim, you know you can actually filter out the applications from your view, even keep them from posting on your wall.
- Hugh Isaacs II
You are spot on, Robert. The proof is in the pudding.
- thinkQuick
Hugh... yes, I know. But while facebook is very easy to begin using it requires a fair amount of effort to set up all that stuff and get the look/feel you want. For all the talk I've heard about how Friendfeed is difficult to figure out, I've never had that problem here.
- Jim #TeamMonique
@Jim, yea but FriendFeed is a very young website. I'm not content just knowing that I can't filter out which of my friends can see what. If FriendFeed lasted longer it would've probably gotten more complex and you would've lost interest, or it would've stayed the same and you would've lost interest. Either way judging from your comment I think you would've moved on to something new at some point (this is Facebooks attempt at being relevant to you).
- Hugh Isaacs II
Hugh... I guess you missed the part of my comment that spoke about interesting, engaged people. I will not be losing interest in them anytime soon. In fact, I've been (and still am) on facebook longer than I've been here. I've never been that interested in facebook and still am not. It was just the opposite on FF. I was skeptical and used it very little at first but as the service (for...
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- Jim #TeamMonique
Slow... Bogged down with apps... And who wants to refresh a page or discussion manually? Although it does allow me to stay connected with people I would have otherwise lost touch with.
- JR
from iPhone
@Walt, Facebook + Realtime experts = Facebook in Realtime. It's an assumption but not one without merit.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Good to connect with friends of friends but do not like the stupid apps
- Randy Allen Bishop
people who barely know the net are ALL on facebook. you know what i would like? friend group settings. think about it. post photos to your personal group, your online friends or something else entirely. and WHO KNOWS - with the smart people working for the boogie men, it might happen too!
- Terry O'Fee
@Hugh yes I know it is coming... Just wanted to share my top three issues with #facebook and why I use it to help this wonderful R&D discussion... :)
- JR
from iPhone
I think Facebook is perfectly usable. I just can't use it for the same sort of things. Honestly, most people think Facebook is unusable because of all the applications that their friends use, and which those people are too lazy to block. There are some legit problems though, like the quiz applications which, literally, make new applications, so that they show up and you have to block...
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- Otto
Logging into Facebook means a 10-12 minute commitment just to catch up on a half-day's worth of communication. By contrast, I can get in and out of Twitter or Friendfeed in a minute or two if that's all I have. Facebook is just...heavy.
- Ed Moltzen
I know people that work at Facebook. They're good people. But I have serious doubts about their abilities to make an interface that doesn't totally suck. Face facts, Facebook's interface absolutely blows. It is very difficult to do anything that you actually need to do. A good friend of mine is a teacher, and she stopped using Facebook because she didn't want to reject her students on...
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- Otto
I think FB is/has reached a level of importance as SOFTWARE that there needs to be detailed guides/documentation/tutorials. Think about it, most of FB's functionality is simply put out there for people to discover. When you sign up you aren't introduced to a 1/4 of what is available or provided any kind of best practices guidance. Software we buy for our systems generally comes with some type of manual or instruction. Most webapps like FB do not, you have to go to the community or hunt through the interface
- Martin Johnson
It might come as a shock to the designers out there but usability is not the most important aspect of an application. Facebook's success in the face of its sucky usability proves that. People are on facebook, and other on-line social networks, because they want to interact with the other members, not because of usability.
- sjjh
Unnecessary to chew gum. But it's called billion dolar industry.
- Burçak Çubukçu
there are more stranger things that people do, not everything could be explained, asked a wrong question. like say if there aren't any ghosts why more than half the world believe, if there is any god or isn't why are people theist/atheist. why men cut their hair both head/facial when they are there for sexual and heat exchange purposes at first places, you asked it out of your sentiment for facebook and i wrote it because i don't like facebook ;)
- testbeta
I watched what seemed like a dozen trailers before the Harry Potter movie a couple weekends ago and they all sucked except this one. I want to see this fim. - http://fredwilson.vc/post...
Fill in the blank: "Don't you people know that ________ is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?!" (The funnier the better.)
I'll start: "Don't you people know that eating bacon is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?!"
- April Buchheit
Don't you people know that adding someone to your home feed is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?!
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Don't you people know that driving is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?!
- Harold
from fftogo
Don't you people know that The Macarena is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?!
- Brett Kelly
Don't you people know that Journalism is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?! (Blogger Joke)
- abdellah
Did someone say LEGO? (Not to prove Kevin's point or anything but LEGO should always be expressed in capital letters... oh and never is a plural)
- Johnny
Don't you people know that hopscotch is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?!
- joey
Don't you people know that sacred institutions are a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?!
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Don't you people know that FriendFeed is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?! ;)
- Bonnie Foster
Don't you people know that heaven is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?!
- Tony Ruscoe
from fftogo
Don't you people know that the Internet is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Don't you people know that the B.S is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?!
- Jayavasanthan J
Don't you people know that Festivus is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?!
- Benjamin Golub
Don't you people know that saying the planet Uranus is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered in to lightly?!
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Don't you people know that entering in to an argument with a Scoble is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered in to lightly?!
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
"Don't you people know that Pie is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?!"
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Don't you people know that McDonalds is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?! Otherwise, the clown will eat you.
- Wizetux
Don't you people know that your mom's coochie is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and should never be entered into lightly?!
- Joe Silence
Don't you people know that my schlongage is a sacred institution that should be taken seriously and would never enter into you lightly?!
- Rahsheen
and then I will comment on whoever follows me here...
- Alpay Erturkmen
Louis, I recently got the "high five" DM spam, too. So off-putting!
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
I just need to spend more time setting up FF so it is my friend that intercepts all my social media content but only from who I want to read!
- Pentaxfan
Friend feed seems like mainstream to most serious ones?
- jibzy
Friendfeed has it's strengths once you get it setup
- Chris Lindhartsen
@robert whether or not FF is technically better than <insertsocialnetwork> its really a question of said network reach
- Sean Scott
Once a week I go through my followers and delete most/all of the spammers, but I only have like 50-60 so it's not hard to do.
- Allison Warnock
Let's hope the spammers and bots and etc don't attack us here on FriendFeed next. I won't tell them if you don't.
- Louis Trapani
from iPhone
Sean: well, FF has better search, grouping, real time, a better community, and more.
- Robert Scoble
In two years on Twitter I have never used any bots nor even tried to sell anything. I always look at profiles personally before following anyone and have never been concerned with how many are following me.
- Gord Young
See, cross posting that offer to Twitter is misleading
- Kevin Krewell
It is fun to watch my follower ## on Twitter go between 200 and 230 it is a constant battle to see what I post. Just not that interesting at times!
- Pentaxfan
Interesting project! Please follow us @streamfile :)
- Kimmo Gläborg
Checking in here...hope we continue to follow each other, Robert!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I'm pretty sure I've commented here before Robert, but you don't follow me here or on Twitter. Not that I want you to under just for the sake of it...
- Gurpreet
Today's secret password is "cheese".
- Andrew Smith
...only if you actually find my tweets interesting enough.
- Gurpreet
It's Unfollow Sunday. Just purged all the bots, spammers, SEO/social media types from my own Twitter account. I never autofollow. Still got the "high five" DM spam, though...
- Dennis Jernberg
Nice when you integrate Facebook and twitter and multiple accounts so you can read all at one place. I have to say I use Seesmic to read posts more than FF.
- Pentaxfan
bit bucket... here i come :) ps: scoble, what if we just "like" your post ;)
- simran
@pentaxfan of course. not wanting to start a FF vs Twitter debate. just saying the glasses through which we judge better or superior are diff based on our interests. Plus in the end FB will take it all :P
- Sean Scott
This is a sly way to get us to sign up for FF :)
- valb00
According to my following list, Scoble was the second person I followed after joining Twitter. A long time ago that was.
- Stephen Sclafani
UX tip for FF. Be nice to be able to click on the comment link at the end of a comment stream. Having to scroll back up on these long threads breaks flow.
- Sean Scott
Kimber: wait and watch http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... and see if I like any of your posts. I read a LOT and if you are posting interesting stuff I'll probably like it.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: click twice on the time stamp and you'll get a window of just this chat and you'll see a comment entry area at the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
You will end up following me anyway. They all will. :)
- Matt G
But you're already following me here on Friendfeed, Robert. How is Twitter going to be different?
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
FriendFeed is better, deeper, yet Twitter works better on the go
- Majento
There's a lot to like about FF, except it needs a bigger community. Twitter is like the iPhone - for iPhone it's all the applications, with Twitter (and Facebook) it's all about the number of poeple.
- Kevin Krewell
@Sean, that is why we are always looking for new and improved apps to operate at a better level with more consistency. Take it easy! I'm off to bed for my 5 hours of mediocre horizontal time out.
- Pentaxfan
Hi Robert, you are obviously going to be following a lot more people. Thanks.
- Rob Zachritz
And I return. (Just cleared my account so I can start afresh with friend lists) :)
- BeauGiles
Robert, you have lost a lot of followers. I have been watching all night.
- TheHenry
I don't get the appeal of auto-following. I for one would not want thousands of updates showing up in my timeline.
- Alex Knight
Twitter -ly ♪ and FriendFeed -ly ♪ livin' in perfect har-mony ♪♪♪ LOL Why can't we be friends ♪♪♪
- RetiredTeacherD
Just created a corporate FF account so you can follow our corporate Twitter at http:/www.twitter.com/senderok - Plug-in with anti-phishing icons for the inbox and photo business cards in the header pane
- SenderOK
I'm here I'm here! :D just curious, what do you have against SEO and Social Media experts?
- Celia
Really? BTW I'm just a regular geeky gal.
- Teresa O
TheHenry: and I will lose even more this week. No biggie. I don't define myself by who follows me, especially if they are there just to get a follow back.
- Robert Scoble
We're already facebook friends. And I think friendfeed friends too. But FF just hasn't hit critical mass yet. It'll be cool when it does. Nice job throwing another rock at the hornet's nest! :-)
- Dan Becker
Rory: the catch is I might like one of your posts and then you'll have to deal with my other friends. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm glad to know that you are still interested in hearing from us :), I'm @tsudo
- Keith - @tsudo
Robin: I have only seen a handful of spams here. They are easily blocked and there are other defenses against them that I won't talk about here.
- Robert Scoble
Are we not allowed to comment if you are already following us?
- RobinDotNet
Are all those SEO types you're unfollowing now following me?!
- Dennis Jernberg
Thing I don't like is that FF doesn't have a very good topic when the primary line is directed at twitter. There may or may not be a link to something after FF part. Which means FF becomes a bit of a treasure hunt. I like FF for commentary but I hate the initial post.
- Justin Howard
Robert: Thanks mate, interesting and probably efficient idea. I'll do the same for quality content, tired of those "I just used whateveryoucallit.com to gain 300 new followers right now!".
- Nir Ben Yona
Hi Robert, I had to do the exact same thing to nail all the twit spam I was getting. Hope you get it all sorted!
- James Brown
Even as we sit here, my iPhone dings with new follow e-mails from spam/marketing people. Sigh.
- RobinDotNet
Stephane: LOL, probably. I took this line from Chris Brogan's "Twitter Etiquette Guide".
- Nir Ben Yona
The joys of not being internet famous means I can check out followers personally, block where required and I've only ever got about 2 DM spam. But with the volumes that Robert gets, it's obviously not possible.
- Rachel Clarke
I think Twitter needs something like captcha to keep the bots to a minimum, IMHO.
- Dennis Jernberg
Robert -- yes, on twitter. It seems the more you tweet, and the more people you communicate with, the more spammers follow you. Hoping for auto-follows I guess (I disappoint them in that regard.)
- RobinDotNet
Good way to filter, you know the spammers don't actually read anything or participate
- Justin Luey
What is the utility of being "followed" by someone who doesn't tweet and who follows thousands? What do they do, sit at their terminal and watch the tweets go by all day long?
- RobinDotNet
First day on Friend Feed and Robert Scoble is available. What a welcome.... Carey@holisticdds
- Carey O'Rielly
What will you do when the spammers/SEOs infest Friendfeed, as they will, or do you believe this is better crowdsourced and will be able to hold against the hordes?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Rachel -- But numbers alone don't mean anything. Are they that shallow? That must be a stupid question.
- RobinDotNet
Is this going to be the 'most-commented-ever' post on Friendfeed? 240+ already!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Aaman: FriendFeed is FAR more defendable against spam than Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
and how would this benefit people who follow Robert Scoble?
- Seyfi Erol
That seems like a good idea, but I think you're already following a lot of these people
- Carlton Prest
Seyfi: why don't you follow me and see how it goes?
- Robert Scoble
I've gotten 4 follow e-mails since my first post here from people I don't want to follow. Do the bots start running right around midnight?
- RobinDotNet
Mahendra, you're not following the threads in Russian (that's my only hint) :D
- Micah
Robin: oh yes. But I'm never sure what's worse. the people who just want to talk about the numbers or the people they may be able to impress.
- Rachel Clarke
Aaman - Friendfeed doesn't make link-tracking easy, so it's less interesting for spammers to infest.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Is this a test of interaction or more likely a sort of audience verification?
- Gilgamesh
Gilgamesh: it is what you want it to be. For me I followed you.
- Robert Scoble
If twitter is noise, and FriendFeed is conversation, Robert Scoble followers are their own discussion. It's like using an entirely different website.
- Carlton Prest
Rachel, that's a good point. Is Facebook the same way? I joined that and suddenly got all these people I've nothing in common with who want to be my friend. Creepy.
- RobinDotNet
Derek: heh, yeah, I am watching this, among other things running across my screen.
- Robert Scoble
Robin: Facebook is the same but I think to a lesser extent - it's harder to find people I think. But still got a load of friend requests that I ignore as I don't know them
- Rachel Clarke
I already do. what i mean is if we don't keep FF, Twitter limited to our interests, wouldn't it be garbage we already try hard to get rid of. Or how far can we extend our interests in life or amount of information we consume?
- Seyfi Erol
Derek -- I mean people I really have NO connection with at all. I've only friended a couple of people I work with, and 2 other real friends. I'm getting friend requests from people I don't know at all.
- RobinDotNet
Seyfi: you haven't discovered FriendFeed's groups and lists yet, have you?
- Robert Scoble
I got a Russian-speaking follower on Twitter. I didn't follow him because I don't understand a word he tweets.
- Dennis Jernberg
Did you know that Facebook has started selling parts of itself to the Russians? At end of May, they sold 1.96% stake of Facebook to Russia's Digital Sky Technologies for $200M.
- RobinDotNet
Robert: I shouldn't have underestimated you. You probably have started much longer comment threads on Friendfeed before.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Mahendra, Robert, I agree, FF has been very good at keeping out junk
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Mahendra: I have. I gave away $5,000 once and got more than 1,000 comments on that. But that cost me a lot of cash. Can't afford to do that again.
- Robert Scoble
DST is run by Alisher Usmanov who is closely tied with Putin. You feel ok to that, but re-read the company's user agreement where it says it can share all of your info with third parties. Of course, it's irrelevant to this thread, but I thought it was interesting.
- RobinDotNet
FF is interesting assuming the topic is FF... and/or Scoble's next devilishly clever stunt to generate FF comments
- John Hardy
John: there are lots of interesting topics here on FriendFeed. Did you know you could search by them based on number of likes? Click "Advanced Search" and try.
- Robert Scoble
Yo Robert: a man has to do what a man has to do, so one surfer to another: go for it!
- Geer
Here here! A good cleansing is good, now and then... Starting fresh is the way to go, get all of that nonsense out and maintain a core group of people for solid conversation!
- Brian Partridge
Great taking the tour w/ you, Levar Burton & @VegasBill during CES 09 at the Atomic Testing Museum. I would appreciate the follow back. Thanks Robert!
- Chris R
Thanks for following back on Twitter Robert. Cheers from Las Vegas!
- Vegas Bill
I'm pretty sure we're friends here, only just wish there was a easy way to check... and if there is, that some one will let me know....
- Grant Bierman
Just out of curiousity, why are there fewer spammers and bots on FF compared with Twiitter? Is it because they haven't discovered FF yet?
- Sally Church
from iPhone
there are occasionally spammers on FF but I think they mostly get handled quickly vs Twitter where more than occasionally clusters of spammers just follow each other...
- Shannon Clark
Sally: I don't explain spam defenses in public. I don't want spammers to figure them out. But there are quite a few defenses against spam here.
- Robert Scoble
I was surprised about the spammer comments, until I started getting female nude model followers and I'm a women. Maybe a nude male model but not Sparkle or Hootie McBoob
- Corrine Pearce
Corrine: hope you don't see that here on FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Why are you doing this? You have one of the best listening audiences on twitter! Is there a point to prove that we will post here or go to wefollow?
- David Cole
David: and I can prove that. Twitter's audience has become less and less engaged lately.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, powerful shift by Robert Scoble, I'm really interested in seeing how this works for you Scoble. I slept through all the big news here tonight.
- Jimminy
Interesting experiment. This is probably one the most commented feedfriend threads in history!
- Menno te Koppele
Plus, David, if you all are listening, you are listening because of my ability to find cool stuff. Mostly that's been because of FriendFeed over the past 18 months. Now I've seen how ascerbic Twitter's spammers have gotten on my accounts.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting. This is going to boost 1000 egos for sure :-)
- Freddie Benjamin
So will it be a matter of just trying to say ahead of the spammers by jumping from one early adopted social network to another?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
JP: no. I am not leaving Twitter. I AM, however, deleting all their accounts so I will no longer be passing them juice.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder how will your FF homepage look like after this.
- ahmet bulent
Does this make you anti-social media?
- Cory Brown
To follow commenters from here on Twitter will be a lot of work for you Robert. Or do you have some magic tool that helps?
- Tibor Holoda
Robert, how many of the 100k do you think you'll still be following when you are done?
- RobinDotNet
~~~> Robert!! Follow me back again. [a] I'm a real fan of the @Scobleizer... and [b] I'm much nicer than some of these sassy bloofers. ;)
- Kim Sherrell
So what if you have all 58k + comment on here? And you have to keep everyone! And your plan is foiled, sir. Okay give or take 10k for the neglected abandoned twitters and the spammers. Btw, you're already following me on both twitter and here. But come on, you're not really. : /
- Lise
That's cool. I am finding the spammers too much to manage these days myself.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Because I can't keep myself from doing math, that's 1.1%.
- RobinDotNet
Lise: I see you a few times a day, but you're right. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Are you trying to make a point about FF v Twitter? I have spammy things to say about my amateur photography, potential homelessness, and run-ins with public-run health system in the US. Isn't all Twitter spam--just spam you want? :)
- Dean Hall
the auto-refresh on this thread is mind-blowing, fun to watch
- nchenga
Do you ever worry about SM burnout Robert? How do you pace your self?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Interesting to note many of most commented threads are in languages other than English. Can we suggest FF has a better international appeal than Twitter?
- Kaan Bingol
Good idea, as you say, stop juicing up the spammers - it'll be interesting to see the stats once you've finished.
- Andrew Piggott
Dean: your Tweets aren't spam. I might keep you. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
I only followed people who were interesting to me, otherwise it is like trying to find a needle in a haystack of brain dumps.
- Daniel Durrans
Exactly. So I expect to be cut. And considering I'm in a crowd of close to 60k, it'll be the same thing.
- Lise
There should be a counter in front of the comments...
- Willem Karssenberg
Lise: and because FriendFeed's search engine is better here too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, yeah I know. Thought you might have meant for your secretscoble twitter account ;)
- travispuk
It's kind of like a giant SM break up Robert. *Oh the hearts you are breaking...*
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
I'm fairly selective about who I follow and I follow so maybe you will follow me back!
- Richard Cunningham
from iPod
Robert, care to explain how you use groups in this kind of context? Because I don't get the point of following people who are then placed into a "I don't read this much" kind of group. How do you use groups so that you're (1) not overwhealmed, and (2) actually read what people are saying?
- Ian Betteridge
How many people do you expect to end up with, Robert? What is a reasonable number?
- Lise
You don't have to follow me on Twitter. I think the FriendFeed party palace is mighty fine.
- Josette
from fftogo
(Not that I'll probably see your response, btw - something at the bottom of 350+ responses is effectively buried until FF has better threading tools. Which I'm sure it will, some day.)
- Ian Betteridge
@Daniel - ditto, and for me it is generally development related also. Robert - I know you have to try and keep up with everything going on in the social media space, but I'm always surprised when people follow so many others as it must be extremely difficult to find the wheat in amongst all the chaff.
- Donald Matheson
Robert: I did not know about that search trick. Thanks!
- Menno te Koppele
Ian: a "I don't read this much" kind of group is awesome for serrendipity. Also, anyone who I find there who is high value gets quickly moved to a smaller group.
- Robert Scoble
What? Are you saying you're not following me already...? ;-)
- Jarno Peschier
Lise: on Twitter? Less than 2,000. I can't follow more.
- Robert Scoble
Jamo: I am already following you. Scott: why not? I am already following you too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, it might be a problem for me re-gaining your following as my tweets are not 100% English only (whether that means trying to speak English or no English at all ;). How do you deal with occasional non-English tweeters? As that's clearly a noise for you.
- Tibor Holoda
if only twitter were as engaging as FriendFeed has become, and as instantaneous as things like this comment thread, then maybe I would use it more. Hence why I'm all for unfollowing who you conceive as uninteresting; and if that includes me, then so be it!
- Nick Soden
Tibor: I just skip over most of them. Sometimes I translate them to see if I was right.
- Robert Scoble
It is my hope that I provide you with something as interesting as what you provide me with. Either way, I will continue to peruse your posts with interest.
- Absentee
Hi, I'm still newish to this social media thang - but good on you for taking a stand.
- Jus
Do you prefer night owls? Because what about all the poor people in SV who went to bed at a decent hour and missed your post? Bummer for them, huh?
- RobinDotNet
I'm back from picking my wife up at the airport and ran across this on my way back to sleep.
- nuBound CEO - Mark
The wild and woolly blogosphere is replete with all sorts of good stuff. Hard to follow 500 people, let alone 1000. I applaud you for trying to take the reins.
- Jack B
It funny you put spammers, SEO experts, bots, social media experts all in one bucket. What are you implying? Btw, I'm none of these...
- Peter Chee
.. and it works!! Just got a mail saying Robert is following me now... :)
- Sudar
Peter: I did that to piss off the SEO experts. :-)
- Robert Scoble
This makes me realise that posting from Twitter as opposed to "to twitter from FF" allows the Twitter stream to grow on the back of FF comments ! otherwise not : as in my case - what do you think Robert ? FF to Twitter ? Or FF aggregating all your tweets ?
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
Nicholas: shhhh, you are discovering my secrets! I'm doing more and more from FriendFeed lately.
- Robert Scoble
I comment and you follow me. Its totally worth it
- Arvind
Arvind: even better I was following you before. Mobilepax: no. I really don't care about followers. Inbound is more important than who is listening to you.
- Robert Scoble
and does that mean I have to write in English from now on :)
- Mobilepax
Nice one - it's cool that you give friendfeed (and all the commenters of course ;-) much kudos.
- Alex Vermeule (@alexve)
If you just follow everyone in this thread, won't you just wind up with noise from 'engaged' people. I mean, does this solve the problem?
- Christopher Harper
Good thing its 4am and my car alarm went off, otherwise you wouldnt follow me! I had to look up a video online how to break the key fob apart becuase aparently its battery leaked and was self activating the panic switch. Damn VWs! a replacement key is only like 150 bucks!!
- Charlieray
Missionary: no. You have not discovered that FriendFeed has groups and MUCH BETTER search.
- Robert Scoble
Its funny that if you say "SEO" on twitter its an instant 10 followers
- Charlieray
I'd rather follow you on Friendfeed, Robert. Your tweets get cross posted here anyway, and there's a much greater sense of engagement in that conversation than there is over at Twitter.
- Andrew Terry
Everyone that "follows" you really does know you love FF. So did you build a tool to follow everyone back that comments on here or are you seriously going to manually follow people back?
- Peter Chee
Theres 451+ comment here, do you really follow *everyone*?
- Fajar Nurdiansyah
Because I am up at 1:20 a.m. PT, why not... I must be your target audience then.
- Georgiana Comsa
It must show you how many people enjoy engaging with you Robert, with the number of people posting here.
- Steve Farnworth
Amazing to see the comment thread to this entry expand constantly in real time.
- Christian Bolstad
Peter: I've manually followed everyone on this thread so far.
- Robert Scoble
Peter: although to be fair I've already followed quite a few people who have commented here.
- Robert Scoble
Hi, you are already following me. My solution to get rid of spammers on Twitter is to block them, that is what I do. If everyone started blocking them, I think things would improve
- Asgeir
What about the SEO experts who accidentally find this feed?
- phil baumann
Robert, but you're following commenters here, not on Twitter, right? Not that i care about Twitter that much, as for me it's just a pipeline. FF and FB are conversational platforms for me, or the places i hang out these days.
- Tibor Holoda
Aaman: Sleep? some of us are just starting the day. We're waiting for the US to go to sleep so we can talk about you ;-)
- Rachel Clarke
Spammers being blocked doesnt do anything as they are hoping for that 1 in 100 hit of someone clicking that link, eventually they get banned and create a new account.
- Charlieray
the term SEO expert is a crock of shit
- Charlieray
Marko: not true. It's better because it has very little spam. It's better because it has a better search engine. It's better because it has comments and likes. It's better because it's an aggregator. And more.
- Robert Scoble
you don't have to follow back. but i'll take the chance to say great work with building 43.
- Alexandre Gamela
from twhirl
Massimo: right up top. Heheh. Alexandre: thank you!
- Robert Scoble
After 6 months out of the social media loop I came back to a whole bunch of follows that I either couldn't remember who they were or why I had followed them - how can that be relevent? So, I culled my follows back to less than 200. I'm now just looking to find the signal amongst the noise.
- Colin Walker
What about FriendFeed? Is there any @notsecretscoble too?
- Ludwik C. Siadlak
Friendfeeding for Scoble to follow me while on vacation in Montauk. There is something wrong with me.
- Mitchell Schneider
Mitchell -- you just don't want to miss the fun.
- RobinDotNet
robkeynes -- nice to see you up and about
- RobinDotNet
Ludwik: no, because here I can just start a new list of users.
- Robert Scoble
Well, this has been fun to watch, but it's almost 2 a.m. and I have to be very smart tomorrow morning, which is easier when I'm not too tired, so everyone have a great [whatever comes next in your time zone].
- RobinDotNet
Robert, I'm trying to understand this follow/unfollow strategy you are applying as Napoleon Bonaparte on a battle field ;) Interested to know the result
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I really do think the way Twitter has changed in the last few months, with all the media attention, certainly begs for it to be used differently now.
- Nicola Quinn
Wow that's a whole lot of people commenting in the last 2 hours, Rob - How many of the new people you are following from this list are NEW to friendfeed? (estimate?)
- Roy Herrod
Does this constitute a comment or are you looking for some insightful commentary on the state of new media? ;)
- Iwan
40%? This must have turned out to be one of the biggest promotions in FF history, even if it wasn't intended that way. BTW, I'm new to FF too.
- Dennis Jernberg
guess it's good to clean up the list once in a while.
- Yan PHUN
Ha ha, nice.... So any major ramifications from the mass unfollow?
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Alistair: other than losing about 1,000 followers so far? No major ramifications.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'm coming out with a project in the Continuing Medical Education field in the next weeks so if you are interested, I wouldn't mind if you will follow me :-)
- Marco Fabbri
Won't tell anybody, specially Seo people, ssshhhh.....
- Giorgio Burlini
from iPhone
You had me at don't tell the spammers...
- Sean Kelly
I think it's a hoot. Now I'm wondering whether to reverse my recent move towards following more, not less. I do believe that from my experience so far FF is more attuned to building/maintaining community than is Twitter.
- Des Walsh
Des: on FriendFeed you can do both strategies at the same time. You can follow a lot more in one list while following even fewer in another.
- Robert Scoble
Des - Once more people re-engage in the conversation here, they'll realize the continuing outright potential of Friendfeed. I still some here before I read my e-mail
- Charlie Anzman
Hi Mr Scoble, I'm with you (but on a smaller scale) I unfollowed about 150 users on Friday, felt good! I pretty much hang out in FF now at my home page and my groups
- Lee
from iPod
wow...just wow :) Robert, you have many fans !!
- Hayk
Good luck on hiding from the bots, they have ways of finding people.... :)
- Chris Holm
well, who am I to refuse such a nice offer? here I am!!!
- niccolò vecchia
Good to hear! I have only ~2000 followers, but I can't follow more at the moment due to Twitter's follow limit rule.
- Martin Lindeskog
Great way to test the chemistry between FF and Twitter. I like it.
- E-Advocate Network
Robert - I'am definitely not a spammer when it comes to broadcasting anything to people, who doesn't want to hear it :) but I do sometimes respond (mostly on twitter so @reply) to some tweets not aimed on me, but that's what everybody actually asks for when publicly broadcasting anything.
- Dušan Šimonovič
Shhh...don't tell anyone but I'm neither of those (the spammers, SEO experts, the bots, or the social media experts,) though, I like the heck out of the concept of this thread...
- Vincent Wright
Good idea about the unfollow. It was an interesting experiment whilst it lasted but given your lifestyle I'm sure most Twitter messages just passed you by. I never DM'd you however, it was nice to think that I had the option if I wanted to. Anyway I've been on FF for ages now, and what I need is a good FF app (for pc), any ideas anyone?
- Nick Bristow
Nick: I just use a browser with FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Only 530 comments so far? Come on people you are not even trying.
- John Cooper
@Rob Sellen, did you see the comments on the most recent ffundercats podcast entry. http://friendfeed.com/ffunder... Over 1000 in a very short period of time. Although I expect that this post will also get up to those levels.
- travispuk
NOTICE: I am closing comments here because I gotta get some sleep. I'll consider doing this again sometime. Sorry if you didn't get in, but see you tomorrow night.
- Robert Scoble
Other than FriendFeed? Aloqa. I think that is going to be big.Aloqa is a mobile platform and is how lots of businesses will get on iPhone and Android.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I would tell @aplusk about @Wantsa. I haven't told you about it yet, but i know it's going to be big. Like, big big.
- Colleen
Obviously, GOGII (my employer). Our app textPlus is on fire and the stuff we're building on top of boring SMS is freaking amazing. Our founders did JAMDAT (sold to EA), so we're loaded with mobile wizards. Plus, I'm hiring a Teen Ambassador to mentor to properly serve our entire community. /rant done.
- drew olanoff
Nice this is blow-mind following techniq.
- Compuworki
Hi Robert! Check out http://www.linkedstore.com ...we build social stores for everyone..a good idea to open business easily, helps ppl out..Argentinean startup THANKS!!!
- Agustin DL
Why, @offbeatguides of course! They're normal people who travel, and they want something to help them enjoy their travels more! ;-)
- Ask Offbeat Guides
I would never ever want to talk to any of his followers, dear lord, omg, where's the Tylenol.
- James Watters
@Robert - wantsa (www.wantsa.com) is a recommendation engine... operates much like a search engine does, only it lives within social networks like Facebook, Ning and others. People recommend businesses, services and people, and businesses have the opportunity to post offers (deals, discounts etc) that come up when a user searches for a product. Not only does the business get to...
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- Colleen
Aloqa has a fatal error in their sigup for other phones :-(
- Amit Morson
I would have to say @Pelotonics since it's what I've been working on everyday all day for the past year. We have a online project management solution (very crowded space, I know), though we have an eye towards integrating the tools you use for your personal productivity into the group setting. Like Evernote, Google Docs (we're going to be the first company to be able to truly push GDocs into the corporation), etc...
- Daniel Marashlian
The GetVocal (http://getvocal.com) Surf-By-Tel voice browser allows you to surf the web with only your telephone and your voice! Their voice portal technology dynamically converts any website's HTML code to speech on-the-fly making our solution perfect for mobile professionals and/or visually impaired customers.
- Chris Matthieu
Colleen, how are services/companies joining the Wantsa network? Are they user entered or do they get entered from Wantsa?
- Daniel Marashlian
Tristan: Foursquare has a lot of potential but I don't know that it delivers.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Actually, I will have to wait for a Windows Mobile version, if they are planning one.
- Amit Morson
Robert, agreed...still early. But if done right, it can change the way we think about LBS. Execution heavy, but im a believer. Smart guys steering the ship
- Tristan Walker
Jay: that is interesting, I will be in Texas in a week and we should go and see them.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Next time you're in the Marina del Rey area, come see the GOGII/textPlus team, I should be out there for my regular week at a time sessions on off chemo weeks soon.
- drew olanoff
@Daniel It can happen either way. There;s a suite of managed services and businesses can do it themselves as well. Visibility is based on the amount of money they are willing to pay wantsa for the lead/survey etc (the biz tells wantsa what it is worth to them to get that lead) and a portion of that amount is donated to the charity of the user's choice, without a penny coming from the user's own pocket.
- Colleen
@Daniel @Robert, Wantsa is currently an App in Facebook (but the UI needs updating), has launched on the 4real.com social network and is currently in talks with Ning's biz dev director to place us as a Family app with core integration coming down the pipe in the next 6 months (estimated)
- Colleen
But Robert, you can input locations into the system as well. A pain, certainly but theyll figure it out soon enough.
- Tristan Walker
I tweeted this - my favorite would be Better World Books (@bwbooks) an online bookstore (http://betterworldbooks.com) which raises money for literacy worldwide via used book sales, esp of books donated to local libraries - highly successful business model, does good many times over, mission driven (oh and funded by Good Capital here in SF)
- Shannon Clark
FourSquare is aiming to be the unofficial AddressBook in the cloud. Notice that when you friend someone they get all of your contact info and vice versa? Perty smart.
- drew olanoff
drew i agree....the service at scale will be REALLY powerful for small businesses as well. This is the kind of LBS theyve been looking for
- Tristan Walker
Jeff: Wow, that is the way forward! Are those currently available?
- Daniel Marashlian
@foursquare - it just feels right and it feels like it has plenty of potential to grow organically and become a great resource for so many different avenues
- Kathleen Forden
Aloqa needs some pricing info. If I have to make a call on that, I usually figure it's too expensive.
- Kathy Fitch
The register for later announcements about other phones froze for me, as well. (Of course, their system is probably getting bombarded, right about now, so . . .)
- Kathy Fitch
The others sound great, but @aplusk 's followers need to be aware of TribeHQ http://www.tribehq.com - a micro-blogging platform (not twitter) that has evolved the micro-blogging concept. In essence, different professional groups (tribes) - eg nurses, engineers, florists, teachers, embalmers connect with others in their occupation, with the tribal buzz, and enter into direct...
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- Paul Jacobs
DM me on Twitter for contact info for Texas Tribune if you need it, Robert
- Jay Rosen
Robert, I'm surprised you didn't mention any of the recent partnership/acquisitions by Rackspace. What do you like there (that you can talk about).
- Michael Fidler
I would let him know about @GoldMail. GoldMail is software that allows business people to quickly and easily create personal and powerful voiceover visual messages by making slides from virtually any content (including PowerPoint slides, PDFs, Text documents, and photos) and recording their voice over them. They then send a link to their message using any email service or post it online.
- Kathryn Leuenberger
@aplusk is all about the democratization of media, so http://TweetReel.com - (Sharing video on Twitter with the 3GS) Plus, it's my start-up ;)!
- Colin
Michael: I am a fan of JungleDisk. Great backup to the cloud.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kathryn: funny I have a video of Goldmail's founder I am working on.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Scoble, I signed up for a Rackspace Cloud Site Friday, mainly because of you, and their service is anything by fanatical. It's terrible. And I'm not complaining just to complain. I owned a Furniture store for years, so I have a lot of respect for people who own and run businesses
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, WideTag Inc http://www.widetag.com , we're building the next Internet, the Internet of Things. Any devices, from you Smartphone, toward your laundry or your car, will be interconnected, a Machine2Machine new comunication era. Our WideSpime infrastructure can deliver 16k/sec transaction per single core, something in near-realtime.
- Luca Perugini
from iPhone
I forgot to leave my suggestion before. I see a lot of new startups here, but if I was going to suggest one, it would be posterous.
- Michael Fidler
Holy crap the spammers are on froendfeed is nothing sacred
- Mark
from iPhone
I'm not sold on these location based services. Maybe in SF it's ok. I suppose this is a bit like Augmented Reality.
- thinkQuick
It's November 2009, there's no spam on friendfeed and @aplusk is making a magazine on Http://GreenerMags.com and sharing it with is 10 million friends.
- GreenerMags
from iPhone
Well, if @aplusk is all about the democratization of media, then maybe an open source app for making media - www.celtx.com ?
- Mark Kennedy
rhetorically: do @aplusk's followers really care about tech or cutting-edge sites, or are they more or less celebrity gawkers? btw, aloqa looks very interesting. it's time to start making the Web better on mobile devices
- .LAG liked that
Annoys me on my iphone when I go to sites and it takes me to a gimped baby mobile version of their site
- Mark
Liking this for the acknowledgment that Twitter followers has an aspect of traditional media reach. Which it does.
- Hutch Carpenter
Why not tell them about something that is both a startup as well as something good for this planet? My vote is for @Jolkona (http://www.jolkona.org) (Note: I have no affiliation with them)
- Trevin
Thanks to everyone who posted here. I'm having great fun exploring all of these sites and services.
- Kathy Fitch
@realDVORAK says my recommendation is a crock. Say it here bub and give us YOUR suggestion!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Let the clash of the titans commence..... popcorn anyone :)
- Jim Connolly
Does Dvorak even use FriendFeed? Thought he was a Twitter guy these days?
- Jim Connolly
Robert, you know that @realDVORAK is not actually John C. Dvorak right? John is @therealDVORAK
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Robert: Are there any fake Scobles?
- Jim Connolly
Yeah, I just barely caught it.. it was convincing though, especially with the poser using the term "crock" which is a typical Dvorak phrase.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Robert - what about Blackberry users - we can't switch to Friendfeed 100%....Any suggestions? And can't give up bberry. OOPS - meant to post this to previous thread...But seroiusly, help for bberry friendfeed users...?
- Liza + = ?
Robert: I thought there had to be a few out there somewhere.
- Jim Connolly
@scobleizer - Blown away by such substantive engagement! Challenge your base with an opportunity to show off in front of an audience that they can relate to! Here's the rub - googling for a list of startups is both naive and futile, and would hardly expose sentiment. This seemingly simple question energized the base and satisfied the questioner's true intent - to query a group of early...
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- tony felice
Doesn't matter Louis. This is Beautifully Cute. :)
- Matt Ruiz
Haha! I heard you say BING! LOL They're starting. Still in that stage where they haven't yet found more value in moving forward on feet than on bums and knees. So adorable!!!
- Sheryl
Ronin for sure, follwoed closely by the fight/chase scene in Matrix Revolution.
- Anika
Surprisingly, for someone who likes car chases, I don't recall them too well. The most recent ones that come to mind are the racing scenes in Fast & Furious and the freeway attack/kidnapping in The Kingdom
- LANjackal
I'm being serious here, but BAD BOYS 2 has the single best car chase scene, takes place on the bridge.
- Roger @ CineVegas
Ronin followed by the original Italian Job (http://www.youtube.com/watch...) Something about mini coopers jumping from rooftop to rooftop that is just awesome :)
- Robert DeBord
Sorry, but you're all wrong :). This is the best car chase ever shot http://www.youtube.com/watch.... 9 minutes, one single take, no speeding up, no special effects, no blocked street, excessively dangerous and perfectly illegal. It's also an amazing tour of Paris. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... for more.
- Jérôme
every time this question comes up, i am the only person who mentions the jetcar/bike chase at the end of "THX-1138." :-)
- Karim
another vote for Ronin... either one of the 2 car chase scenes in that one edge out French Connection.
- Jim #TeamMonique
If you didn't click my link, Jeremy Clarkson said C'était un Rendez-vous "makes Bullitt look like a cartoon". Now, go watch it and let me know your new opinion :) http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Jérôme
Cool vid. Seen it before and still contend French Connection best, if only because of its back-story.
- Absentee
one expects the driver to get out of the car at the end of "C'était un Rendez-vous" and pull some dead pigeons out of the radiator grille. :-D
- Karim
yeah Matrix Reloaded, Ronin, and Bourne series all have some excellent chases. I haven't seen Bullit or French Connection YET. Hear good things.
- Nathan Chase
While 'C'etait un Rendez vous' isn't strictly a movie chase scene, it's a great drive. My vote is for Ronin though. It's pretty much what you think of when you think of modern car chases.
- Will Higgins™
I hate to say this because the movie itself is absolutely terrible but.. The scene in Bad Boys where the cars are flipping over the Ferrari.. OMGWTFBBQ.. I think CGI is the way to go with car chases..
- Can Koklu
French Connection, Ronin, Bourne movie had a decent one.
- David J Lowe
The Bourne Identity had the best one IMHO, though the one in Bourne Supremacy came close to beating it. Ronin was fantastic too. Michael Bay puts together some entertaining ones, even if they are over the top - the chases in The Rock, Bad Boys, and Bad Boys 2 are definitely fun to watch.
- Eric P
The Dark Knight "prisoner transport" chase was pretty awesome.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
The chase scene from Bullit is great. The chase scene with the crane smashing through buildings from Terminator 3 is a fave as well.
- Jeremy Brooks
Blues Brothers hands down. Winnebago in a lake, police car lands INSIDE a semi, 20+ police car pile-up, army helicopters, nazis, what else do you need?!
- Peter Ghosh
Blues Brothers & French Connection are tied in my mind for best, but I love the chase scene in "Day Watch" as well.
- Jennifer Dittrich
So which Ronin chase is better, the Audi / Citroen / Mercedes chase or the BMW / Peugeot one later in the movie?
- Andrew Leyden
Bard's Tale and Ultima. Never even got close to finishing either, but damn...you could play for-freaking-ever. Ultima especially gave me a feeling of the world being so big. I wondered how it fit in a game.
- Rahsheen
Miner 2049'er, Galaxian, Galaga (good call ladies), Tempest (good call ladies), Missile Command, Defender, Dig Dug, Spy Hunter, Do Run Run, Gauntlet (4player), Gyrus, Robotron, Tron, i can go on and on.
- Carlos Ayala
wow, how could i forget Defender and Joust?!? also Space Duel and Asteroids Deluxe!
- Joe Silence
Not in the local arcade, but Crystal Quest for macs was the best. I still remember the game making cool noises during the math seminar in college.
- OMG 404 Joe
from iPod
I wanna find a Jumpman Jr emulator online or for Mac OS X.
- Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
I was wokka for wacky wacky wacky...er, I mean wacky for wokka wokka wokka. Centipede was another. Missile Command on Atari.
- MiniMage
Lode runner, virtual racer, montzuma's revenge
- Andy Bakun
from Android
Hmm, as soon as I finished one addiction, I moved straight on too the next; it would be hard to pick a single game out of the line-up. Ultima VIII (never got to play VII until much later) certainly chewed up a lot of my time at one point, though.
- Tristan Seligmann
Bug Blaster on the Acorn Electron. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
You won't see this one often : Player Manager
- Genaro Bardy
from iPhone
Wonder Boy: Dragon's trap - Game Gear
- Paris Carbone
NES: Megaman 2, LoZ SNES: Zelda, Super Mario Kart against the sisters, Killer Instinct, Donkey Kong Country are those that comes to mind. I was exchanging cartridges with my neighbor kids at the time for the NES and was renting weekly for 6-7 years there so.. lots of games. N64 of course Super Mario 64 and Blast Corps, strangely, was so addicting to me, was playing for hours. But my...
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- Zu from AOD
I Remember playing Super Mario World and Megaman Xtreme
- nfan12
Amiga 500 - North & South, Cannon Fodder, Super Cars 2 and loads of awesome games from coverdiscs. Gameboy - Mario Land 1, Revenge of the Gator Pinball. First PC - Doom. PSX - Tekken 2/3, GTA,.
- Steve
Remember GCOS - Honeywell's operating system? (Yes, Honeywell, like the thermostat company). It was nicknamed "God's Chosen Operating System", which is somewhat appropriate for Chrome OS as well.
- Gary Burge
OK - I have about 1,300 subscribers on FriendFeed and got MORE people respond to this request, then I did on Twitter - Where I have almost 19,000 followers. Better engagement on FriendFeed!
- Jim Connolly
Chris: Did you have a bad experience with o2 as well?
- Jim Connolly
I have just gone through this thread and subscribed to everyone. Found some really interesting people too - wish I had done this weeks ago!!!
- Jim Connolly
Jim: never mind 'bout that, if you want to improve your French or start learning a bit of Italian or Spanish, just let me know, I'm often avalaible for a conversation :) (and my German is very poor, too)
- Gilgamesh
@Jim Connolly - I use Disqus on one of my blogs, and haven't had many problems with it. It makes legitimate anonymous commenting a little easier, too, although I also run OpenID on that site/blog.
- Tyson Key
RE: Disqus: If anyone has written about why they use it I suspect it would be either Louis Gray or Michael Fruchter. They both use it. I suspect they both have readers who are more technically inclined thinkers. Since I reach out to the general public, small business owners and less advanced bloggers I use CommentLuv, KeywordLuv, Twitter ID and subscribe to comments instead.
- Gail Gardner
75%, although the pastor at the church where my daughter attended elementary school has started a sermon series based on Twitter. See http://twitter.com/redeeme... So if people were awake during the sermon, they've heard of Twitter.
- John E. Bredehoft
I don't attend that church, so I don't know how it went. At least for the first sermon in the series, they tweeted during the service.
- John E. Bredehoft
I am busy converting my Web friends to real life friends, and increasing that percentage.
- Louis Gray
Louis, funny you say that. I've recently become in 2 local groups built around social media. Our local tweetup group LRTweetup.com and RefreshCA. I'm trying to do the exact same
- Keith - @tsudo
I literally called my wife to have her get a bookmark off the laptop (which is at home)... and then realized I had synched with the iPhone. Little things.
- Louis Gray
This feature seems so simple. So basic. Yet we didn't have it, and now it is going to be super useful.
- thinkQuick
Palm Pre as a backup! Should be other way round! Heheh, hope all goes well at the Tweetup. I'll be in NYC next week Monday!
- Gaurav Patel
Eric: I just didn't make it out of bed today. Was very tired, the Building43 launch finally caught up with me. Plus I have a panel to do tonight and I have to be up early tomorrow to video StockTwits.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I hear folks are having issues with 3.0 update, AT&T servers overwhelmed, "activation" issues?! caveat emptor!
- Susan Beebe
Susan: I hit the activation issue too, but just tried it again and it worked fine. Just a few more seconds...
- Robert Scoble
Too bad there's no WebOS update today. I was hoping to see some of the niggles fixed to "combat" iPhone 3.0. *sigh* Have fun in NYC, Robert. If I had time to drive up from the Philadelphia area tonight, I would.
- Kevin C. Tofel
Oh, my, I'm already in love with iPhone 3.0. After 30 seconds I can tell you that having search on the phone freaking rocks. I have thousands of contacts and this is a life saver.
- Robert Scoble
Palm Pre and iPhone are just pushing each other to update and bring more features to the table in a much faster timeframe. Great for us consumers.
- Ron Wening
It was instantly impressive how different it was in so many little ways. And for an OS that was already fantastic.
- thinkQuick
my update went fine even on my 4G iphone, disconnected iphone but a weird error message keeps popping up on my computer can't connect with this iphone error....
- Kim Landwehr
@Kim Landwehr: Sounds similar to error message I got (iPhone 3G). Find your .ipsw file and open it using iTunes. That fixed it for me. http://ff.im/46ruU
- Ashish Rangole
Robert - glad to hear that the update went thru successfully for ya! awesome. My new 32GB black iPhone 3G S is getting closer! It's no longer in China, it's now in Louisville, KY!! w00t...tick, tock! Can't wait for the UPS brown truck to arrive!
- Susan Beebe
updating iphone now. With mms, i'll have a 21st century phone at last
- Ken Power
"Activation server" issue can be fixed by breaking internet connection (pulling the ethenet cord or turning wifi off) while firmware expands after the download.
- Kirill Petrovsky
totally agree. i can t understand why a Neo-Nazi group is more legal than a Breast-Feeding picture group. this is totally ridiculous and just proves the law is fucked up. Facebook should know it
- Ouriel Ohayon
Also, the Facebook employees can't have it both ways. They already censor lots of people and things. To claim that they can't in this case is lame and inconsistent. They take down mothers who are showing themselves breast feeding, for gosh's sake. And now the employees are saying that they need to keep up this hate speech? Really lame, and I really like some of the employees who are...
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- Robert Scoble
Ouriel: exactly. Plus, freedom of speech and the first amendment are meant for governments, not companies. Companies don't have to follow the first amendment at all. And there are plenty of places you can put your hate speech, there's no reason that Facebook needs to support that.
- Robert Scoble
Now, if Facebook had ALWAYS supported freedom of speech and the first amendment principles THEN I would agree with the employees. But they don't. The company is really screwed on this issue.
- Robert Scoble
just wrote a comment on TC: "I am sorry but i don't get this, with all the american jews organization in the world, why has no one sued Facebook already? I don t agree that advertisers should show Facebook the way. The law should. Mike keep up !"
- Ouriel Ohayon
Facebook seems to have a seriously skewed idea of free speech, and of what is and isn't acceptable. One of my friends is using a restricted version of the site because FB say she is 'offensive', yet all she has done is tell a few bawdy jokes. Apparently, if she was calling for whole groups of people to be killed, that would be ok.
- Kate
So, what's the answer? Yes to boobs or no to Nazis.
- Johnny
People mix Freedom of Speech with Anarchy of ideas. Freedom does not mean you can say whatever you want. The limit of freedom is when the right to exist to a group of persons is denied.
- Ouriel Ohayon
Johnny: if you're going to argue freedom of speech I just want consistency. If you're going to remove boobs then you gotta remove hate too and be proud of that. On the other hand, if you're going to argue a vigorous defense of freedom of speech (I've done that many times in my career) then you gotta go all the way. Hint: spam is speech. Facebook removes that. Facebook is inconsistent and wrong because of its inconsistency.
- Robert Scoble
Are you saying that if you want to engage in hate speech you just need to form a company and then you are exempt.
- Marian Pike
Marian: no, I never even thought through that. I just am pointing out that Facebook is inconsistent and therefore it is NOT a vigorous defender of freedom of speech and is wrong in this case to be proud that it's letting the hate speech stay up. Lots of people totally misunderstand the first amendment and freedom of speech, including the three Facebook employees I see posting there.
- Robert Scoble
Marian: I find it sad that Facebook pulls down all sorts of content all the time (they removed all my content for 24 hours and these three employees never said a word) yet they let this crap stay up. Inconsistency. That's why Facebook is wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, completely agree. I just thought I would just pose the question to the group because in some discussions around this issue that I have seen, some people tend to be good at expressing outrage without then expressing the solution.
- Johnny
It is easy to censor images. Words are a whole different issue. Facebook have put themselves in a difficult position.
- thinkQuick
Johnny: if it were my company I'd decide up front which road I'm going to go down. Either be a strict first amendment type and resist all attempts to pull down ANY content from the site, or say "we have community standards here and we'll pull down content for any reason, at any time, especially if that content pisses off some of our users." If they took either stance I'd be OK.
- Robert Scoble
Freedom of speech has its own limitations. If someone will argue that calling: "Death to the red-head children of Virginia" is allowed by the name of the first amendment, then he/she has problems understanding Democracy boundaries.
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: even in USA freedom of speech has some limitations. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, wow, I didn't know the issue is that restricted...
- Nir Ben Yona
Indeed. This is a sticky situation they are in...
- Johnny
Nir: yup, there are lots of places where you can't say anything you want. Journalism students learn about those in media law. Also, go ahead and threaten death to the President and see what happens.
- Robert Scoble
If someone write a comment at your blog that violates your readers and you know that as a result of that something wrong can happen, would you take it off? sure you would. It's practically the same. Freedom of speech is one thing, but if no one is there to take responsibility and control over some of the content, it can lead to a non reversible disaster. I'm actually concern about the situation, and I'm backing Mike on his posts 101%.
- Orli Yakuel
In terms of FaceBook, surely, because of it's global reach, there should be some attempt to take into account thwe different laws surrounding freedom of speech and hate-speech around the world, and come to a balanced view? I know these groupd are blocked in Germany & Austria, where such talk is a criminal offence; shouldn't the existence of such laws, and International Law concerning genocide, be taken into account in framing policy regarding this?
- Nigel
Orli: actually, in the past, I've taken a strong defense of freedom of speech. Lately, though, I've switched my stance and will take off a variety of speech. Just be consistent about it. Freedom of speech only applies to governments, anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Nigel: again, it's consistency that matters. It's perfectly fine to say "we'll keep all content up unless it breaks a law around the world somewhere." Just be consistent, though. Don't take down some content and then say you're defending some principle by keeping other content up.
- Robert Scoble
I absolutely agree with Mike on this one...what do other sites like Blogger or Digg do with this type of content?
- Anthony Feint
Whether Facebooks censors something or not is up to them, they are a private company. I just wish they were consistent if you are going to use the Freedom of Speech mantra, then you need to apply it across the board and not pick and choose.
- Kim Landwehr
I'm appalled to see people like Kyle responding to Arrington's post and saying: "I really don’t understand what’s wrong with hate speech. Of course hate crime is horrible (though really, is it any worse than ‘normal’ crime?), but I fail to see how speech can hurt people. I’m not even going to get into the difficulty of defining what speech ‘hateful’ and what isn’t." This guy doesn't...
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- Nir Ben Yona
By supporting those hate groups, Facebook literally empowers them, and once they'll meet outside of Facebook, it can (and will) lead to irreversible disaster.
- Orli Yakuel
I need to seriously consider whether I can continue to use Facebook after seeing the responses to that article.
- Donald Forth
Freedom of speech is like freedom of religion. Freedom of religion necessarily implies and includes freedom FROM religion as well. Freedom of speech means freedom from speech, it means I don't have to listen. While it is admirable that Facebook does not want to deny anyone anyone's right to free speech, it is well within Facebook's right to say, "Yes. You have a right to say whatever you like, just not on MY website. You are more than free to create your own hate based social network."
- Marvin Price
If sites like Facebook and Twitter want to become "utilities" like electricity or the phone company, they need to figure out a way to remove themselves from the transaction. They're platforms. They're infrastructure. They should provide a system for users to exchange messages and content and for users to filter content as they see fit. They need to get out of the business of "owning" content and controlling what content can and can't be exchanged on their platform.
- Ken Sheppardson
Suppose the phone company tried to determine what you could and couldn't talk about with your friends...
- Ken Sheppardson
Has no one seen that fb has closed down a Muslim hate group today? Check it out www.theage.com.au in the technology section. "We disabled the 'I Hate Muslims in Oz' group because it contained an expilcit statement of hate." Why is this double standard allowed?
- travispuk
Just to be clear I am not unhappy that they have closed the group, but why not close the neo-Nazi one also and at the same time proclaim that they are protecting free speech!
- travispuk
Not the first time they have done this - the first time was on Ezra Callahan's note: http://www.facebook.com/reqs... - it's a shame most of the comments are now gone (due to notes' 100 comments at a time limit) - there were some classic and overwhelming displays of stupidity.
- JIDF
Thanks for keeping this live Scoble. I hesitated for various reasons for a long time to say anything about this hoping that facebook would change their mind. But the seriousness of the matter made me change my mind.
- net
The "double standard" is the result of the fact Facebook doesn't exist in a cultural, ethnic, religious or legal vacuum. Its standards reflect those of the employees, and those standards are always going to be in conflict with one group or another trying to use the platform. I can't really think of any belief system that doesn't have some inherent internal inconsistencies, so those...
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- Ken Sheppardson
Also of interest is how many Facebook employees "liked" the note (including Randi Zuckerberg, who recently threatened to abuse her power @ Facebook: http://www.thejidf.org/2009...)
- JIDF
Someone should start a breast-feeding Nazis group and watch Facebook explode from cognitive dissonance.
- Akiva
Please checkout/join/support: United Against Holocaust Denial On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/reqs... - over 50,000 have joined in less than a month!
- JIDF
@Akiva, I just blew Coke through my nose when I read your comment. Wierd image in my mind now of breast feeding neo-Nazis.
- travispuk
How much is the value of freedom for you? And who decides for you, what can be published and what cannot be published in the internet? For me as a Facebook user, of course, Facebook has the right to decide - I will and I have to accept their decisions and I will continue to use the service OR NOT! If these Hate Speech Groups/Pages are illegal in US - why are you dont call the Police?...
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- Arne Krueger
@Ouriel your context for use of Anarchy word suggests you used it in common vulgar *scarecrow* sense... I'm sorry to say but that's pathetic - Freedom vs Anarchy sounds too lame to me.
- A. T.
You can prevent the speech, but none of us can change the heart where it grows. Only God can do that. Education (as in our systems) will only make a person smarter in the way that they already believe. Suppression will only force it underground. Oppression makes it gain adherents. Reason will get you into the "carriage in the Inner Circle" where you will go round and round without...
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- Melanie Reed
The biggest question that needs to be asked it what makes denying the Holocaust hate speech? If they present their argument with facts then why is it considered hate speech?
- Gavin
Robert, thanks for writing about this. I wrote a paper in my MBA class concerning this issue, and Im glad the discussion is still raging on. Facebook cannot have it both ways. You either monitor all content or none. Once you start removing some content, where do you stop?
- Dani Klein
right, they do. My question though is why when I rate them in WMP as in the top example are they not showing when I use Windows Explorer to search for the file as in the bottom examp.
- Thomas Hawk
I think WMP does NOT write it to your files. I found out a while ago. My media player database got somehow corrupted, é voilá: ratings were gone.
- Daan
Ah. Just read your full post. Hmmm.. perhaps someone has coded a utility to sort out that problem.
- thinkQuick
It looks really nice, Jeremy. I gave you 4 stars. One other note - when you are reading a specific post, I should be able to jump directly to that user's profile page - so I can follow them, etc - but I couldn't get that to work. I hope web links will work in the next version, too.
- thinkQuick