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I can't believe this is happening in the country that elected its first black president - see also http://tinyurl.com/66vly2 - Yann Abraham

My understanding is that the law's constitutionality can then be challenged at the Supreme Court? It should never have to go that far, but at least it's not final. - Chris Cotsapas

It may finally require going to the Supreme Court to show people that denying the rights of Americans is unconstitutional and simply un-American. - Bryan

Any possibility we can find a new word for legal partnerships for same sex couples? Church feels they own "marriage". meryl333 - Meryl Steinberg

I sure hope the Supreme Court destroys proposition 8. - xxdesmus

It is a terrible example of intolerance. Makes me sad on a day I should be totally elated. Yes, we are finding another name for marriage between people of the same gender...but "seperate but equal" is still institutional prejudice. - Jean Ann Van Krevelen

very sad today - PC Easy

Like I said earlier, seem Califrnianas like chickens right more that gay rights if you look at how we voted. - Think Twice from twhirl

Prop. 8 is a constitutional amendment. I don't think the courts can invalidate it. - Stephen Foskett

Stephen: it was a state constitutional amendment. Why wouldn't the Fed courts be able to say "no way?" - Robert Scoble

Robert - I don't believe the Supreme Court will strike down the constitutional amendment. It's my gut. Researching, we have to find very solid CONSTITUTIONAL grounds to put down a state's right to ban a practice not protected by any portion of the Constitution. "Right to marriage" and "right to equality" are both not in there. Right to free speech, protest, and voting are, but possibly not this. States' Rights will trump. - Ben Parr

Ben: well, then, this law will stand for a generation because it needs 2/3rds vote to overturn it and there's too much hatred of homosexuality to get 2/3rds. It will fall eventually but might need 40 years or more. Personally, I'd separate out the legal part of marriage (the legal contract you make with the state) from the religious part of marriage (the thing you do in church) and make a case that those rights should be equally open to all. - Robert Scoble

@Ben: What about the *California* courts? That's where I think they go next. - AJ Kohn

steps foward, steps backward. :( :( - Chris Hollander

AJ: The courts can't overrule a constitutional amendment. The Supreme court can't overrule the U.S. constitution, same as Cali. - Ben Parr

Scoble, I completely agree with you. The state has no business getting involved with a religious ceremony/status like "traditional marriage" and therefore shouldn't recognize it at all. Most married couples are non-religious anyway. So we should just ditch "marriage" for all couples and have a civil partner status for any couple that wishes. If they want to couple that with some kind of religious marriage, and if that is recognized by their church, is entirely inconsequential. - Stephen Foskett

+10 Stephen - Ian May

it failed by 4% if I heard it right on the radio this morning - Mr. Gunn

+1 Stephen. If the word "marriage" was not used in the original law, Prop 8 may never have existed. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

@Ben: I think you're right on the state level. But there is some precedent to the Federal courts invalidating state level amendments when they believe it violates the US Constitution, correct? - AJ Kohn

I was just wondering about this. 2 passed! (factory farms)! - Patricia

@Ben the Right for Women to vote wasn't in the constitution before either but we as a nation determined that women should be treated with equality and allowed to vote. Why should we deny a person the right to marry based on their sexual orentation? If this was simply about a religous determination and ceremony then it shouldn't involve the state, but now we are talking about legal marriage rights that heterosexual couples are currently entitled. - Bryan

SF Chronicle says 52% to 48% for Prop 8 with 95% reporting. Prop 8 probably passes. http://www.sfgate.com/electio... - Thomas Hawk

Two steps forward, one step back I guess - brendan

@scobleizer I agree. Their answer to the "what will you not be able to do as president because of this crisis?" during the debates was terrible. Both were completely unprepared. - JP Adams

nice.....very nice....O'Reilly should lead with this - Think Twice

JP: they can't tell the truth. The truth is that millions are going to get laid off. The deficit will balloon. Major crap is going to happen and no one will be thinking of nationalized health care if this all continues. - Robert Scoble

I bet you the sick people will still be thinking of national health care. And the unemployed people who can't afford to treat a broken arm, or the flu, or what have you. Healthcare is a base issue that will *always* be at the forefront of some people's minds. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Bush's final days have been called not a lame but a dead duck presidency. Whoever's next will have their hopes and plans overwhelmed by events. We're having an EmUrgency - Adrian Chan

Now if we could just bar that overgrown 12 year old from polluting the paper with her hot mess, life will be grand. - Admiral Anika

Can I ban her from my plane, too? Oh, wait, I don't have a plane. - Steven Perez

She carries her 56 years well. But, staying on topic, is there any word why they banned her? - ChiliMac

bush did the exact same thing. mccain has bush people surrounding and shadowing his every move. this is no coincidence. say something that doesn't agree with the agenda and you're blacklisted - Cee Bee

It's a standard press management political strategy. For reporters, access is power. The politician will take away your access if you are seen as overly critical. Once you do that a couple of times people will hesitate to write negative things for fear of losing their access. - Kevin Bondelli

Bad juju on her.... - Think Twice

She's just nasty. - Sprague D

i don't agree that blacklisting news reporters is "standard press management political strategy" - Cee Bee

What about the part where she had no idea what the Bush Doctrine is? (Um, important, given it was a complete turnabout in Amurrican foreign policy) - Archangel ωαřмaiden

Taken out of context. - ComicList

Sarah Palin IS "out of context", any way you slice it. :) - jcunwired

Would have seemed more appropriate given its entire context. Palin (Like Lincoln, FDR, and Kennedy) believe God has a plan and believes in prayer to try to understand that plan. Don't know if I believe that myself, but it's a far cry from trying to cast this as a holy war. - Keith Smith

The relevant part is not her religious beliefs, but her utter lack of foreign policy knowledge (governing a state "near" Russia means nada). Of course, her defenders will just play either the religion or gender card whenever anyone questions her credentials or what she says now on anything... - Dana Longley

The same issue applies to Prince Barak and his lack of foreign policy experience. - Tony Kanzia

I find it highly amusing to hear all the Palin supporters rant about Gibson's "out of context" question while McCain is running an ad that egregiously and deliberately misrepresents Obama's record on sex education. - Kevin Pedraja

The diffrence is that Gibson is a journalist and should know better. The McCain ad is a political attack ad. Pol ads distort and smear all the time. News should not. Otherwise people will stop watching. We also need to compare apples with apples. Obama - no foreign policy experience. McCain - tons of foreign policy experience. What's funny is that the media is comparing The pres candidate of one party with the Veep candidate of the other. - Think Twice from twhirl

Tony, this is "FriendFeed". For "SoundbiteFeed", I think you're looking for the link to the Rush Limbaugh forums. - jcunwired

don't block me when I prove Charlie Gibson is a jerk. and I will be happy to dialog. Obama was not given the same treatment on the same question. Enough said. next issue - Noah David Simon

"In what respect, Noah?" Charlie ain't runnin' for office. It's Palin who's running. It's her performance that counts here. We already know about Charlie from the way he handled the Democratic debates. Gov. Palin proved that she still needs much to do much more homework. - Michael Markman

Holy war = Swiftboat 08. DVD in many papers tomorrow http://tinyurl.com/53dydu - Paul Jones from twhirl

She's bad enough without having to make up shit. If you care about choice, you're not voting Palin. But I'm impressed with her very real track record of accomplishment and her shrewd political instincts. It would be nice if the McCain campaign would focus on how they plan to actually cut spending and get us back in the black. That hasn't been their strategy so far, but it should be. - mrshl

Jason, if you want people to trust Mahalo you need to make it clear that this nasty rumor has been debunked. - Rob Sterling

Re Scott Richter: Amazing that people want to have their privacy when the jackals of the media are nipping at their heels. - Ernie Oporto

Nothing legitimizes a site more than providing links to DailyKos as a reference. - Chris Mayer

@mrhsl - I think you have provided the first real argument against Palin on FF (seriously)! I agree that they need to provide specifics, but I'm also thrilled that she was chosen as the running mate. - Chris Mayer