jay morris - Comments

I hate that you can only see all of the people someone is following rather than how their circles are arranged. I realize that's a privacy issue, but it means I have to build the same list of Librarians that all my other librarian peeps are building also. - Laura Norvig

kinda quiet in here wonder where everyone could be ;) - tylergillies

listening intently? - Tina Chase Gillmor

And sparks are nothing more than RSS where they pick it for you. I expected some way to vote up or down the feed. - Kevin Mullett

Your not in the right circles tyler, chats going crazy over here - Paul E. Ester

the senders can control the noise - they can create a circle they share VC relavent stuff with. But they have to choose to share with you... - jay morris

audio cutting out a bit for me. could just be my desktop choking under the load of having this and plus open at the same time ... - Laura Norvig

+1, Tyler! - Laura Norvig

18 comments on G+ and 15 likes. - Todd Hoff

invite, please? tia! - Jerome Hughes

i have invites...was looking for ya the other day. - Karoli

whats up with upstream? - tylergillies

ustream? - tylergillies

damn safari autocomplete - tylergillies

ah, it's not just me then. - Laura Norvig

invites for G+ still havent opened up - Kashif Khan

video is great here, just occasional freeze - Paul E. Ester

sqwauk! - Jerome Hughes

Have a friend use the "share" button to send you a message via your gmail account. That has triggered letting friends in many times. - Kevin Mullett

when i first logged on to plus it said I had a person blocked already. I think I had flagged this person in gmail. - Laura Norvig

is there a close comments feature on plus? - Laura Norvig

Any news on what 'awesomeness' Facebook is launching next week? - Moe Glitz from iPhone

it's the Zooey Deschanel problem http://hellogiggles.com/if-you-... - Kevin Marks

I need Robert's Google cup. I will cut to it whenever I see it. Google, Google, I need that cute cup. - Tina Chase Gillmor

facebook feels quite lethargic in contrast to G+ (and friendfeed for that matter) - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

@Jerome I don't seem to have your email address. :( - Karoli

google+ is friendfeed++ - tylergillies

I blame Josh Haley. - Laura Norvig

Robert--train your VC's re: what to post. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

VC's are always posting lolcats - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

http://abhijeetdesai.blogspot.com/2011... guys c these changes i propose to google+ - Abhijeet Desai

again, the senders can choose who they are sharing with... - jay morris

jromeh at gmail, thx Karoli! :D - Jerome Hughes

People will not follow Three Streams! - Moe Glitz from iPhone

that's your defense against noise. use the filters/circles. - Laura Norvig

there more talk in here than on the g+ thread - tylergillies

it's more frictionless here, tyler. - Laura Norvig

oh had to refresh - tylergillies

Man, this place is crowded! - Ciro Villa

I want to be able to create a circle from my Google groups memberships. - Karoli

but theres still more here - tylergillies

Circle of Life - Moe Glitz from iPhone

Karoli, that totally makes sense. - Laura Norvig

VCs have lives too, Robert. - Laura Norvig

I disagree the upfeed didnt kill Buzz - the security scare in first 48 hours did. - CHRIS VOSS

changes to the stream in google+ i propose have a look guys http://yfrog.com/gzhyclyj - Abhijeet Desai

convore should be studied...good use of groups - paisano

we should be able to add google calendar, docs and disco to google plus panel - paisano

anyone heard about invites opening up? - CHRIS VOSS

Normal people may not take to Google+ - Moe Glitz from iPhone

convore just didn't seem to catch that mass required. - Kevin Mullett

someone suggested a toggle/sort between chronological and recently commented on. that would be cool. - Laura Norvig

there is a way to invite people by sharing a post u make - Abhijeet Desai

i'll be happy when people go away ;) - tylergillies

Twitter isn't noisy because you have to go actually find the conversation, it's not presented to you. - Todd Hoff

+1 todd - tylergillies

Leo? - Tina Chase Gillmor

how do you separate social from interest? - Karoli

Too funny, but really if you have a problem seeing Scobles stuff dont follow, He usually has the most interesting info and after a while as more people join it - CHRIS VOSS

@CHRISVOSS, they have not opened up, but SOME are still making it in. http://bit.ly/j2RckM - Kevin Mullett

Topic streams (like hashtags) would be good. Can you search "circles" by topic? Sorry, I don't have Google+ - Alex de Soto

@Kevin - ya I had like 18 new people this morning - CHRIS VOSS

not seeing video. has the show started? - George Herndon

@kevin I have like 24 people who still havent answered their mail. Maybe I should try just adding one email and calling a friend. Is this working for anyone else. - CHRIS VOSS

Facebook did not kill FriendFeed; the users killed it! - Ciro Villa

I think Facebook has helped train the masses to interact in a more Friendfeed-ish way so they *might* be ready for Plus. - Laura Norvig

My dog photos are on lol - CHRIS VOSS

This is a Techie's Wet Dream. But will it crossover? - Moe Glitz from iPhone

@Chirs I was using the share button (top right) and adding their email individually. - Kevin Mullett

@kevin - thanks and that worked? I'll try it. - CHRIS VOSS

cat photos or photos of Louis Gray's cute kids...all the same thing lol - paisano

plz tell me what u think of http://yfrog.com/gzhyclyj on @abhijeetdesai #googleplus - Abhijeet Desai

Nadal roasting Murray at Wimbledon - Moe Glitz from iPhone

yeah, just like profiles for google apps users is coming ... - Laura Norvig

I think Scobles very right - I'm putting my family on google+ so we can do video chat for free over Skype - its also awesome for business video conferencing - CHRIS VOSS

Scoble Vic said on TWIG that the video codec has not been selected yet and they are testing several different ones. So to say this video is best of breed could be premature. - adolfo foronda

@LauraNorvig: Yep, I've talked about the FriendFeedization of Facebook, they got used to likes, events, link sharing (although most don't remove the URL from the publisher before posting). We must not forget that with time, users are evolving as more productive users and that they use more tools when forced into daily pageviews and such. - Zu from AOD

can I request google plus invite here? - Shoukat Dharani

Kids are going to LOVE the video component of Plus - Tina Chase Gillmor

Seems like Tindychat, but better resolution, with people you know. - Kevin Mullett

++Tina - Zu from AOD

Tina, that is so true! - Laura Norvig

@shoukout I need your gmail account for that - Kevin Mullett

google+ hangout + kinect - tylergillies

Vic also announced on TWIG that they would support Apple - adolfo foronda

Thanks Kevin! - Alex de Soto

yeah steve is just critical of everything - tylergillies

Hangout seems like it will be an awesome work tool. - Laura Norvig

will hangout kill the tricaster? - Paul E. Ester

WHY are we hearing the gentlemens comments who HASNT tried Google+ As respectfully as I can say it, it seems hes left making up talking points without the information of experience. - CHRIS VOSS

And he keeps dominating. - CHRIS VOSS

I don't think Bradley's current hangout is public, I don't see it in his stream. - Laura Norvig

@ALex, you're welcome. - Kevin Mullett

++TylerGillies Hangout & a Kinect hack would rule, just have to find some good use of the tech. - Zu from AOD

Hey Voss... it is The GILLMOR Gang ;-) - Tina Chase Gillmor

LOL - tylergillies

@Scobleizer, liked your post re Google+ and grandmothers - JP Rangaswami

@Tina my first time, lol is this normal? lol - CHRIS VOSS

JP! - tylergillies

LOL @Tina flashing Steve's name on screen! - Laura Norvig

Buzz exists for feed importing, I don't see why it would be forced into + as it helps people focus on manual sharing/writing. Information overload fixed temporarily. - Zu from AOD

Conversations start from inputs that often come from other feeds. Those need to be imported. - Todd Hoff

my friendfeed was left for dead and used only for aggregation. - Kevin Mullett

Pretty much Voss. You'll getit after a few times - Tina Chase Gillmor

i am facing problem with the stream . anyone elase ?? - Abhijeet Desai

@tyler yes? - JP Rangaswami

@Todd it depends. Since I spend so much time on Friendfeed, I enjoy seeing aggregated stuff, even from people who no longer converse there. Plus has to decide what it is, what it is for. Can't have cake and eat it too. - Laura Norvig

Voss there are archives, including audio only daze. - Jerome Hughes

JP i met you at defrag, i work with marshallk at rww - tylergillies

Is Google using Google+ to try and take Ad dollars away from Facebook - Moe Glitz from iPhone

So make two cakes Laura? :-) - Todd Hoff

stream is a little weird today - Tina Chase Gillmor

If have a feed stream I would like to have an easy way to move to the conversational stream. I can do it by hand but it's often too much work. - Todd Hoff

Maybe when developers get a hold of APIs there will be some killer client overlay thingy. So I can see ONE of what someone posted in multiple places but ALL of the conversations on ALL of the platforms. I wish. - Laura Norvig

dont we all communicate toall top brands on twitter & not email ??? - Abhijeet Desai

Email is like a call control setup. It's starts the conversation between unknown parties. Try contacting you don't know without email. It's nearly impossible. After you connect then you skype, chat, or whatever. - Todd Hoff

Abhijeet: yes. - Robert Scoble

Messages to a known address that I control and can use cross platform? No that is not going away. - Kevin Mullett

All subscription systems needs an email. Maybe not for discussion between friends, but businesses are using it a lot, sometimes just so they don't use a public email system and have internal discussions. Could be done in a 'corporate social network', but I don't see that soon. - Zu from AOD

Its was a pleasure to hang out with you all - see you on google+ - CHRIS VOSS

\o, CVOSS - Zu from AOD

so ya email usage is reducing . but dont know if it will go away . may be it will become like post is 2day - Abhijeet Desai

http://blog.socialflow.com/post... - Kevin Marks

Fun to see the small packets of impressions at 3 degrees of separation. - Zu from AOD

https://plus.google.com/1153519... says 5000 limit - Kevin Marks

Userscripts for power users? Else, maybe just a text-mode feed would cut it (as the Photos section which strips down the text). - Zu from AOD

Also liked the "is this really Tom from MySpace" conversation last night https://plus.google.com/u... - Kevin Marks

Right now +1s from the web are on a separate tab, don't go directly to the main feed. - Laura Norvig

I don't know why they didn't build in a cadmus, summify, my6sense type system. Heck I would like a collapse button. - Kevin Mullett

@Kevin, that was golden. "Tom, I think you're my friend on MySpace!" - Laura Norvig

In other news...Facebook is experiencing technical difficulties... - Ciro Villa

Collapse all would be cool. - Laura Norvig

Multiple shares would have to be stringed together like on FB. "4 of your friends shared this" - Zu from AOD

give me that cup! - Tina Chase Gillmor

Is Facebook the new MySpace? - Moe Glitz from iPhone

was there a conversation about today's gillmor gang on Plus? I can't find it. When I go to Steve's stream I see nothing. - Laura Norvig

ice burn! - Daniel J. Pritchett

the Wired article was pretty intense. A do or die proposition. - Laura Norvig

Takeout. - Laura Norvig

Just Scoble for now http://goo.gl/pOqx1 - Zu from AOD

thx, Zu. - Laura Norvig

lol @ Google Freakout 9) - Zu from AOD

there were several, laura. One in robert's stream, one in mine, one in johns. No hashtags, you see - Kevin Marks

my head hurts. thx, Kevin. - Laura Norvig

Twitter is absolutely tempting fate by messing with the API - Kevin Mullett

Hey guys, joining in a bit late! - Nir Ben Yona

Don't see any public posts KMarks, must be why I haven't seen it from you. // Hey Nir! - Zu from AOD

woo FF... Steve sees FF in plus just like we do. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Ah, yeah, you most have posted to circles, not public, Kevin. - Laura Norvig

Hey Zu :) - Nir Ben Yona

Now how weird is it for Bret Taylor to have gone from google to FF to Facebook and now see this FFey google product come out to indirectly challenge Facebook? - Daniel J. Pritchett

I like that, the revenge of FF. - Bluesun 2600

werd, Daniel! - Laura Norvig

@Daniel lol, that surely is, what goes around comes in circles.. - Zu from AOD

Thanks for joining us! Now back to G+! - Robert Scoble

so, who wants to try hangout? - Kevin Marks

Nice show. Thanks for joining a bit early this time! People in the chat... you are awesome! - Tina Chase Gillmor

Gillmor Gang hangout party :) - Nir Ben Yona

watched the recorded version many times live one is awesome - Abhijeet Desai

I'd like to try it with my iPhone as a remote webcam for my PC, just have to set some things before. - Zu from AOD

https://talkgadget.google.com/talkgad... - Kevin Marks

i mean Gilmore gang - Abhijeet Desai

That's Gillmor... 2 "Ls" no "E" - Tina Chase Gillmor

thanks for helping me understand this new toy...good to see y'all again. - Karoli

sorry I was so chatty today. stayed up LATE plussing last night! - Laura Norvig

please don't apologize for being chatty. Glad you were here! - Tina Chase Gillmor

hmm... still no invites coming through... perhaps G's way of saying "get to work!" :D - Jerome Hughes

I'm not at my computer now but when i'm done painting this godforsaken furniture I'll try sharing something with you...see if that works. - Karoli

thanks again, Karoli! - Jerome Hughes

hmmm. I can't figure out how the heck to share with one person who isn't on this thing...still some interface issues for them to iron out. - Karoli

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Live now on the Gillmor Gang with me, @stevegillmor @scobleizer @dangillmor @chrismessina http://building43.com/realtime - Kevin Marks

no video here.. - Chris Jackson

We are restarting. - Robert Scoble

Just hang out a few seconds. - Robert Scoble

ok - Chris Jackson

Dan Gillmor's video isn't working, so they are working on that and we'll start shortly. Sorry for the delay. - Robert Scoble

A couple more seconds, looks like everything is working now. - Robert Scoble

We're back. - Chris Messina

Gillmor Gang recording session w/ Dan Gillmor, Chris Messina, Kevin Marks and Scoble - participate at: http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

Kevin- you're muted. - Cliff Gerrish

Kevin, I think I've fixed in on this side - Cliff Gerrish

Congrats on the gig Dan, looking forward to reading you again - Ross Mayfield

thanks Cliff - certainly OK here - Kevin Marks

Shel Israel's Open Letter to Mark Zuckerberg http://globalneighbourhoods.net/2010... - Moobie

Dan Gillmor's column on Mark Zuckerberg - what he does not how he sweats: http://www.salon.com/technol... - Kevin Marks

The combination of 'terrific' and 'terrifying' sort of defines the edge of innovation. - Cliff Gerrish

Yes. - Chris Messina

Everyone's getting too excited. No matter how big Apple and Facebook get they are still just "nodes." Galaxies within a Universe. Relax. - Stephen Pickering

But it's also about who's leading the debate in the marketplace, and how that changes consumer expectations [of what's possible, or should be possible]. - Chris Messina

It's not about technology, it's about people. - Cliff Gerrish

Bret Taylor - Stephen Pickering

"Designed Facebook's privacy policy" is now a political attack ad: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technol... - Kevin Marks

LEAVE MARK ALONE! - Ross Mayfield

Privacy policy is going to be fluid for a long time. We're just going to have to get used to change in this area. - Cliff Gerrish

@Ross LOL - Cliff Gerrish

Scoble's talking about the public face of Business will be Facebook's not the enterprise in terms of functions - Stephen Pickering

Enterprise Open Social is gaining a lot of stream - Ross Mayfield

It's like the T.V. Networks of old - Stephen Pickering

good comparison with enterprise software SalesForce by Robert - Jeroen De Miranda

I've got your private twitter right here - Ross Mayfield

People inherently trust Google much more than Facebook - Stephen Pickering

I don't think people inherently trust any company. Trust is earned every day. - Cliff Gerrish

Scoble seems to be arguing that Facebook needs someone who is better at scamming us on camera. Maybe Zuckerberg can't explain what they have done well simply because what they've done isn't good. - jay morris

Maybe Facebook should hire BP's CEO? - Chris Messina

@jay Well Google sort of has that model. - Cliff Gerrish

Maybe I worded that wrong. Google's actions, and non actions have made it the most trusted Brand, and most Valuable Brand in the World - Stephen Pickering

+1 Jay - Stephen Pickering

Jay: you're onto something there. He hasn't explained the good very well. - Robert Scoble

Chris: Hire BPs' CEO so Mark can get a life? - Alex de Soto

Like Buffett said about Freddie Mac, "If you see one cockroach, there's more than likely a whole bunch more in there" As why he de invested - Stephen Pickering

well, scoble, you use http://activitystrea.ms to express all of those likes and tags and comments - Kevin Marks

All restaurants have cockroaches. All restaurants aren't Freddie Mac. - Cliff Gerrish

Not too long ago net apps were all beta-beta-beta. users had base expectations that things would be funky and would change. Now the ugly Fcbook app makes a few changes on the fly and people freak out. Why? - Frank Paynter

Kevin: show me a single system where I can drag a photo to and see all that stuff work. - Robert Scoble

When "beta" loses its meaning — or a new class of user comes along and doesn't understand what it means — "beta" is no longer an effective disclaimer. - Chris Messina

If you design for privacy it will crumble under its complexity. If you design for sharing it can respect privacy while being simply usable. - Ross Mayfield

for it to work you need more than one system to do it, which is why it takes time to agree - Kevin Marks

Microsoft continued to grow even though they were not trustworthy, doesn't mean they were right - Stephen Pickering

we also need to design an experience that can be adopted incrementally (by users). - Chris Messina

And just why did consumers trust Farmville with their information? - Alex de Soto

They didn't — they simply wanted to play a game. - Chris Messina

@chris +1 - Ross Mayfield

People aren't interested in hearing what Facebook is "doing." They only care if there's a problem. - Cliff Gerrish

@chris this is like asking Phillipe Kahn to keep end users apprised of changes in the sensor apps on Apple prods. - Frank Paynter

Isn't all this talk about trusting information just picking and choosing what "information" is defined as? Isn't every single interaction with any site information? Isn't, well, everything, information that can be captured? If you interact at all with the Internet, haven't you already trusted your information to something/someone? - Kevin Costain

I expect that sites like Facebook are redefining what information is, and working to find new ways to capture (and possibly share) that information.. - Kevin Costain

Facebook is just a website... my credit union has tighter security but I've chosen to use each and do my best to make sure my use of one doesn't bleed into the other. - Frank Paynter

opt in at every step is a function that we'd mostly turn off if we could. annoying - Frank Paynter

exactly. - Chris Messina

People somehow think they can control interactions in the online world that they know they can't in the offline world. - Cliff Gerrish

Opt-In means off, and most probably don't even know how to turn it on.. - Kevin Costain

yep. - Chris Messina

nobody changes defaults. and its easy to overwhelm users with a paradox of choice to the point where they paralyze - Ross Mayfield

but those who do, probably really care and make deeper use of the system or tool. - Chris Messina

is it true that Federated Media is making a play for Facebook? - Frank Paynter

Frank: Huh? Where would FM come up with billions? - Robert Scoble

transparency has to be on all levels - not just us at the bottom - Xenophrenia

Yeah, really 25B and counting - Stephen Pickering

gotcha! - Frank Paynter

too much of this everyone has to be transparent talk seems to pertain to the 'masses' - those at the top have the right to keep things private - like corporations - it all has to be brought out - not just our stuff - Xenophrenia

(no, really... J.Calacanis is helping FM get leverage by offering a lien on his car) - Frank Paynter

most people have no real understanding of just how 'public' the internet is - Xenophrenia

cool, EULAs on every packet - Vezquex

I don't get why Scoble's anecdotes are dismissed because he's not an average user, but Steve's teenage daughter is an acceptable proxy for all teens - Richard

we'd need "social EULAs" since the data would have social residue from multiple parties. - Chris Messina

privacy from your parents is easier than privacy from the world - Vezquex

people don't understand it - not that they don't care - Xenophrenia

we federated email just fine. - Chris Messina

We need an "information bureaucracy" in each packet. Self administered.. :) - Kevin Costain

Xeno: I totally disagree. - Robert Scoble

Nobody cares about identity theft until it happens. Nobody cares about health care until they are sick. Nobody cares about privacy until its broken. - Ross Mayfield

Chris: but email STARTED federated and there's no network effect by not being on Gmail. - Robert Scoble

robert - i know a lot of people that don't understand what is going on - and don't care because it's too difficult ... - Xenophrenia

Richard, Scoble said 'teens don't care', hence mentioning specific teens. look at danah boyd's work for more - Kevin Marks

Humans would end up curled up in a ball in the corner if they had to worry about everything BEFORE these things affected them. - Chris Messina

Email didn't start federated! - Chris Messina

Kevin: I didn't say they don't care I said they don't care about what we're talking about. They care about different kinds of things. - Robert Scoble

RE email... Compuserve / AOL / etc = Facebook / Twitter / etc - Ken Sheppardson

robert - what part don't you agree with (i've said a lot) ... - Xenophrenia

Xeno: that people don't understand this. - Robert Scoble

robert - i know a lot of people who don't understand it - my sister, a couple of brothers - i know a lot of people who think they do but they're actions show me they have no clue .... - Xenophrenia

Steve obviously hasn't read history if he thinks Governments are a good bet - Stephen Pickering

Xeno: well, cool. I know a lot of people who DO know and still don't care. - Robert Scoble

It's not important if any individual understands it. It just needs to work as an ecosystem. - Cliff Gerrish

"these services are not free" <- the crux of the issue! I like it when I can simply pay for content and services on the Net. I want to the creators to make a good living - what they do is really valuable. What about a pay model for Facebook? - jay morris

Kevin: yah danah's work would have been a good citation to give. I also studied under Sonia Livingstone who has done extensive research in the UK on young people's use of ICT's. My point was more that it looked like a double-standard in dismissing one person's anecdotes while leaning on anothers. - Richard

i understand and get sideswiped now and then - facebook created an account for me on scribd without asking me - i have an account and suddenly found myself in an account my_name_#### and it had my facebook profile picture in the profile. this disturbed me a lot . - Xenophrenia

Scoble wants to give up more of his privacy, it's his business model. - Cliff Gerrish

Privacy does still exist. We don't know what's being talked about inside the Bilderburg Meeting that's taking place right now, do we? - Stephen Pickering

aren't they all hooked together in Frederick, <aryland already? Just saying... - Frank Paynter

robert - but you can't say that people across the board understand this - i understand that people in you're circles do - i agree with the transparency - people don't think more often then don't understand or care from my experience ; ) - Xenophrenia

It just takes too much work to get those benefits today. - Chris Messina

Privacy is what other people agree not to pass on. - Cliff Gerrish

privacy is relative .... it means different things to different people - Xenophrenia

Why doesn't Facebook use Pages for Public stuff and keep the main account private? - Stephen Pickering

people have NO idea how much of their info is in databases everywhere - Xenophrenia

Everything means different things to different people, that's how language works. - Cliff Gerrish

@xeno +++ - Frank Paynter

People are upset when they see what connections are made. Credit rating agencies do more scary things - Kevin Marks

Nor does it really affect them in ways that are clear. - Chris Messina

Xeno: your are right that people don't know - but i think its hard to presume they don't care.. - Kevin Costain

cliff - touche ; ) - Xenophrenia

I think we don't actually really know. - Chris Messina

... perhaps if they knew the value of "knowing" - they would care - Kevin Costain

"Knowing is half the value." - Chris Messina

I am sharing my private parts on the internet, this wasn't possible last week - Ross Mayfield

x-rated youtubery? - Frank Paynter

Are you also on Chatroulette? - Chris Messina

Ross: Chatroulette? :-) - Robert Scoble

I don't care much about brain surgery - but since my neice has a serious heart defect - i care a whole lot more about advancements in that regard.. - Kevin Costain

robert - there have been people who have lost their insurance coverage for having health information public ... or not been able to get insurance - Xenophrenia

Xeno: and there are 40,000 people who die in cars every year. We still drive. - Robert Scoble

Chatroulette is probably a good way of understanding what most people's expectations of privay are. - Cliff Gerrish

I have Chatroulette in my Enterprise http://www.socialtext.com/blog... - Ross Mayfield

Privacy isn't important as long as you're not important, but the second you come into some power, then it becomes important, for stuff can be used against you - Stephen Pickering

Next. - Chris Messina

Stephen: I expose my privacy so no one else can exploit it more than I already am. - Robert Scoble

aww, off air - Vezquex

embargoed ??? - Frank Paynter

There are companies that make money off people keeping people from knowing things.. Insurance comes to mind.. :) - Kevin Costain

boo-urns - Richard

disagree Stephen - when you are not important, those with power over you can use the information against you - Kevin Marks

did Steve Balmer hack in and turn off the ustream? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Robert I like that. You're turning a Lemon into Lemonade so to speak. - Stephen Pickering

Streams down. Stand by. - Cliff Gerrish

Back now. - Cliff Gerrish

Oh no! Down! - Kevin Costain

darn, wonder what Steve was amazed about - R Macdonald

robert - ? i was just making a comment in regards to your saying that you put your health info online - not sure what that has to do with cars ; ) - Xenophrenia

Xeno: you said doing that is dangerous. Life is dangerous. - Robert Scoble

Yeah, that's a good point Kevin. - Stephen Pickering

But we do thinks when we get good things in return for putting ourselves in harms way. - Robert Scoble

If I want to go to the grocery store and buy some tomatoes I need to drive. - Robert Scoble

PC = "personal computing". By definition, the iPad is also one. - Chris Messina

Stream's down again. Stand by. - Cliff Gerrish

The feed just went private ;) - Alex de Soto

Here's a 10" Android tablet: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Kevin Marks

robert - yes i know - which is why the transparency has to be everywhere - with everything or those with power will use it against us - Xenophrenia

Yes, Robert, but the guy who hits you if he was drunk or something does get charged, even if he's famous and has power - Stephen Pickering

i do agree with you for the most part robert - but there are contexts for us here with little or no voice that seem to get forgotten ... - Xenophrenia

we are working on getting the stream back up - Robert Scoble

My point being we are letting FB off the hook because they are popular and still growing. They're guilty, plain and simple. But we're giving them a pass because they're "Hot" - Stephen Pickering

well, it's been real... bummed that the feed collapsed here though. - Frank Paynter

Stephen: what are they guilty of? - Robert Scoble

but wait! maybe there's bandwidth in building 44! - Frank Paynter

back - Vezquex

chris - yes, it's just a PC - but in a new form-factor, with a super simple OS and UI. The differences are enough to deserve a new name. - jay morris

Streams back up. - Cliff Gerrish

Those questions that Walt and Kara posed to Marc, that he couldn't answer. They fooled users to join based on privacy and then flipped the switch - Stephen Pickering

I wonder if we will ever see Microsoft make some really bold moves? - Jim Posner

Chris was just explaining that he thinks kids won't know the joy of hardware hacking. - Cliff Gerrish

Robert: I think things become more popular as the risk, or opportunity cost, is either downplayed or reduced to nothing. Everyone is seeking something of pleasure or value and wants to face no risk in the process. Downplaying all the risk (of, say, driving) is the job the salesperson - Kevin Costain

robert - is there a way to contact facebook with issues - they're info@facebook.com address is no longer active - Xenophrenia

there's no reason a tablet can't be a real computer. Android is proving this. - Vezquex

i'm not saying they are idiotic robert - Xenophrenia

please don't accuse me of this .... - Xenophrenia

I am happy with Windows 7 and my iPad. Jailbroken iPad is pretty cool. - Jim Posner

It basically means that freedom and choice will be reserved for those who can afford it. - Chris Messina

Jim, does Jailbroken iPad still get updated software? - Stephen Pickering

It's like saying kids won't learn to play rock and roll because the record player isn't a guitar. - Cliff Gerrish

Kevin, Apple isn't 'killing' flash are they? They are just saying it can't live on our mobile devices. - jay morris

I think jailbreaking encourages kids to hack - Jim Posner

you're car is does not my life on it - Xenophrenia

I really think we're over reacting. Facebook and Apple are Galaxies, but the internet is the Universe. They are still just 'nodes' - Stephen Pickering

the web means we can program easily - that is still true - Kevin Marks

Most of the jailbreak videos are from kids - Jim Posner

if you want to put it in that anology - facebook is like having your info on someone elses car ; ) - Xenophrenia

apple.com/html5 - Chris Messina

Chris: Safari required. Chrome doesn't work. - Robert Scoble

robert - you do realize that i'm not saying everyone is an idiot but that there are those who don't understand? ... and that we can't just ignore them because they are beneath us? - Xenophrenia

See also: http://chromeexperiments.com - Chris Messina

Xeno: My info is in millions of cars. I drive a Ford Ranger and millions of other Ford Ranger drivers know exactly what my dashboard looks like.. :) - Kevin Costain

There is an incredible efficiency is products that 'just work.' - Cliff Gerrish

Brian: exactly. - Robert Scoble

Xeno: computers used to only be for the highly trained. Now they are for everyone. We'll get there. - Robert Scoble

There is incredible value in products that 'just work.' - Chris Messina

Seem kicking around Facebook and Apple is the favorite pastime of many of the digerati. Very simplistic approach to tech. There will always be tradeoffs and the people that bitch about them. - Jim Posner

Bill Joy said that I think - Stephen Pickering

Nice show, everyone - and great conversations in the chat (sorry I couldn't join them - was triple-tasking!) - Rob La Gesse

Thanks everyone.. great as always! - Kevin Costain

Cliff is right on: The Merit of Working is incredibly efficient - David Sherr

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