Based on the above email it would seem that Flores' account was terminated because Flickr alleged that he was hosting photographs that were not his. But Flores tells a different story. When I contacted Flores about this issue he said, "I have been a professional freelance photographer for the last 10 years. All the content/images that were posted in my Flickr photostream were all my work, creation and intellectual property." Furthermore all photos in Flores' stream were watermarked with his own personal copyright information. It is hard for me to see how Flickr could make a mistake of deciding that these photos did not belong to Flores.
- Thomas Hawk
Yahoo should be more careful. they're begging for users to export all their pics somewhere else. xC
- Friendfeed's Francisco
In response to adoniel's thread on the forum: "Kevin (staff) says: Hello- this is best handled via Help by Email, not the Help Forum. Thanks." DUH-UH!! actually they never answered his emails. After a while their robots will start ignoring you too. ;)
- Friendfeed's Francisco
I still find it unbelievable in this day and age of blogging, Twitter, FF and instant communication (and distribution) of such poor customer service stories that Flickr/Yahoo continue to hide behind their wall of silence. Any other "brick & mortar" store would have long closed for business (or been sued) with such behavior. At least in a store you can physically speak to someone, and not have these e-mail bots or anonymous CS censors.
- Nils Sandin
This is just ridiculous. Flickr is seriously sucking and is currently making ANY other service look better. ;)
- travispuk
@Rutger, do you actually think that this post has anything to do with Zooomr?
- travispuk
@Rutger, Censorship and photographer's rights, generally, is an obsession with TH as far as I have seen. I have no problem with him paying out on flickr for this type of activity. It happens too often and something needs to be done about it. As for being CEO of Zooomr, I cannot recall the last time TH actually referred to Zooomr since 'the incident' and when Zooomr moved to Japan.
- travispuk
@Rutger, I absolutely think about it. I have no problem with flickr enforcing their rules as per their T&Cs and in the cases where it is justified, fully support them... seriously. However from what I have seen, and guaranteed I have not seen it all, the flickr enforcers have done this too many times where it has been in error and their procedures and application functions makes it irreversible. There is practically no recourse and when they do make a mistake they can and do nothing about it other than Heather spitting out a 'we were wrong' post. They need to park accounts in an area that allows proper dispute resolution.
- travispuk
Re the Zooomr about profile, check out the last time that was updated. If TH is still involved in a capacity there, fine. However I am really talking about the last time TH actually pushed Zooomr. I know that pre 'the incident' and the move he was all about flickr sucks, move to Zooomr, but I haven't seen that type of post in a very long time.
- travispuk
Rutger, re: Zooomr, it's sort of on autopilot at this point unfortunately. I had much larger plans for it originally as a way for photographers to enter into the stock photography market where the photographers actually got the bulk of the money but Kristopher and I had a difference of opinion about the future direction, he moved to Japan and I haven't talked to him in months. I sent him an email to check in with him personally and Zooomr earlier this week but it's not something really being actively marketed at this point. I've put hundreds of hours of time and energy and work into Flickr over the past 5 years from a users perspective. It terrifies me that all of that could just be gone in a whim, permanently and forever. That Flickr won't address this fear and instead provide a sane and responsible approach to user account deletion pisses me off. I'll probably continue to highlight these cases every opportunity I get until they do address it. It concerns a lot more than just me. If you don't like as they say you are always free to unsubscribe from my feed.
- Thomas Hawk
By the way, I do think that one thing that the whole Zooomr experience has taught me is how absolute a hold and a monopoly Flickr has on the photosharing community as a whole. For better or for worse, Flickr is it. Because they could care less if they lose customers or not at this point they treat them very poorly. From censorship to deleting accounts to not responding to email requests, etc. they just don't give a damn. Frequently Flickr staff talks down to their users referring to them in child like terms and saying things like they need a "time out." It should be their privilege to host our photos, not our privilege to be able to use the service. They are the curator of a truly important and very very significant cultural archive. And owe those who support their site with their art and energy and emotion much more than they give them.
- Thomas Hawk
Is there any group on Flickr where this is discussed yet?
- gwendolen
There are lots of protests groups on Flickr gwendolen. They usually just end up mocked by flickr. We usually talk about these cases in DMU every time they come up. Here's the thread on this case there this time: http://www.flickr.com/groups...
- Thomas Hawk
Many of these cases also frequently show up in the Flickr Help forum as well, but Flickr usually locks the threads there as fast as they can in order to try and silence those who might be critical. In this case Flores posted in the Help Forum twice and both of the threads he posted in were locked by Flickr Staff.
- Thomas Hawk
@Rutger, when I first read your original post mentioning TH's real name etc, I had the same thoughts as Sean that you were trolling. The fact that you stuck around to discuss changed my mind though, now I just think you have a different point of view. ;)
- travispuk
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