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Turning down the volume (on TV ads) - First Read - msnbc.com - http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive...
"Rhode Island Democratic Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse is ready to take on that annoying blast of sound when TV commercials are just too loud and wants to compel the Federal Communications Commission to fix it and require the ads to be at the same decibel level as the programming. Whitehouse has introduced legislation called the Commercial Advertisement Loudness Mitigation Act of 2009, or CALM. New York Sen. Chuck Schumer (D) is a co-sponsor. Democrats say the FCC has received consumer complaints about commercials being louder than television shows since the 1960s. In the 25 quarterly reports on consumer complaints released by the FCC since 2002, 21 have listed as a top complaint the loudness of television commercials. Earlier this year, the Consumers Union, the nonprofit organization that publishes Consumer Reports, stated in testimony before the House of Representatives that "the CALM Act provides an elegant and common sense solution to finally ending a 45-year consumer complaint in the United States."" - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
About damn time. - Trish R
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San Francisco News - Coverup worse than crime? S.F. outspends other cities fighting graffiti - page 1 - http://www.sfweekly.com/2009-12...
San Francisco News - Coverup worse than crime? S.F. outspends other cities fighting graffiti - page 1
"According to deputy city controller Monique Zmuda, the Department of Public Works currently spends $3.7 million per year on its antigraffiti program. That sum dwarfs the $1.9 million spent annually in San Jose, which, with its population of 1 million, is 25 percent larger than San Francisco. It's also more than twice as much per capita as Los Angeles, a city of 3.8 million people that spends $7 million per year fighting graffiti. This is big money, particularly at a time when the city is facing an intractable budget crisis. Last month, the Board of Supervisors was desperately trying to scrounge up $8 million to prevent layoffs among public health workers. The Public Works graffiti-abatement program burns through that much in less than three years. Is it worth it?" - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
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Someone’s Started a Flickr is Fascist Blog, Accuses Flickr of Anti-Gay Censorship Policies - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
Someone's Started a Flickr is Fascist Blog, Accuses Flickr of Anti-Gay Censorship Policies
"A community of ‘candid’ photographers of men in public situations (all of whom have paid for their accounts in good faith) has been displaced and silenced on photo-sharing site Flickr in less than a fortnight. Four prominent photostreams as well as countless photos vanished from July 6th 2009 to July 13th 2009 without warning or right to appeal. At least one site had over a million hits in less than a year. Flickr has stubbornly refused to give a reason for its recent axe-grinding mission against these sites, but one user was given the reason ‘voyeur content’ after more than 8 days of asking for a reason yet that particular site contained pictures of men in public which is legal. Flickr has refused to expand on the reason it gave, but cited its ambiguous and open-ended ‘Don’t be creepy’ clause in its Terms of Service asjustification for terminating at least one photostream. Flickr has also silenced debate about the issue on its Help Forum. When confronted with whether or nor the... more... - Thomas Hawk
Good! Flickr is out of control. They should not be allowed to delete a paying customer's photo or photostream without notifying the customer of the "problem" and giving them a chance to correct/explain the situation. It's just bad business. Flickr is a great site, but the negatives are slowly chipping away at the positives. - Rob LaRosa
Yeah, Flickr is pretty out of control. I think I'll be letting my membership expire and using only Pbase from now on. - Todd Walker
I just got banned from the help forum for posting a link to the new blog there: http://www.flickr.com/help... - Thomas Hawk
Wow. How do I move all of my photos from flickr? I suppose I'll have to find somewhere new to put them. - joey
I think it sort of sucks that I post a link to blog specifically about account deletions to a Flickr Help forum thread specifically account deletions and get banned from the public forum. The Flickr is Fascist blog is not mine, I was merely reporting on it. - Thomas Hawk
Looks like it's time to abandon Flickr to Mussolini. And then kick it in the head. - James (!?)
Uh oh. You've been put on the naughty step. - Simon Wicks
Seems like the more we rely on web services the more of our rights we inadvertently give up. With web services being bought, sold, discontinued, or the arbitrary rules that they invoke, we are more and more at the mercy of whim of the site owner. It seems like it is time for some sort of universal user bill of rights that defines a minimum level of service we should expect and defines guidelines for disputes between users and service providers. - Jeff P. Henderson
Well Thomas, as the CEO of a competitor to Flickr, it was only a matter of time before they tired of your "crusades" and troublemaking. (regardless of how worthwhile they are, and they are) - Robert Kenney
I have kept my photos on Flickr, because that is where my family goes to, but I also have them on Zooomr, really not happy with Flickr - Kim Landwehr
This is clearly a signal that Flickr is on the move. To be spun-off, sold, etc. As part of preparations for this, they have been given a mandate to clean-up the site of "less desirable" content to make it more marketable to a buyer. - Robert Kenney
What are the best alternatives to Flickr? - Johnny
Johnny, that depends on what you want from the site. If you want a community, then Flickr is probably the best. If you just want a place to host your photos or sell your work. there are plenty of other options. Here are several that come to mind. Zooomr, Smugmug, Picassa, Snapfish. - Jeff P. Henderson
Robert Kenney: Thomas has been a critic of flickr, but he's also an advocate and user of flickr, in addition to being a competitor. The photo sharing biz is funny that way. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo
i also don't like the fact that Flickr staff refers to me as "abusive" before kicking me out of the forum. My criticism has always been respectful. Simply because someone criticizes you does not make them "abusive" that's such a loaded almost libelous term. I resent that Flickr would call me abusive and then lock me out of the forum where I can't defend myself against that accusation. - Thomas Hawk
Flickr is not a democracy, as they remind all of us again and again. - Robert Kenney
Robert, but users should be able to expect a certain level of civility and recourse that you expect, (and is often required by law) when doing business with a brick and mortar establishment. - Jeff P. Henderson
the anti flickr blog by the way has moved and I honestly have absolutely zero to do with this new anti flickr blog. I was simply reporting on it after the authors of the blog (who I do not know who they are) pointed it out to me. http://saynotoflickr.blogspot.com - Thomas Hawk
Jeff, my point exactly. - Robert Kenney
I've been arguing against arbitrary account deletions and censorship there pretty passionately for a while. Especially lately as the account deletions seem to have escalated (and especially anything associated with or male gay related). I suppose they don't like being criticized for their deletion decisions, but personally I think labeling me as "abusive" for it and censoring me is yet another bad tact for them to take. - Thomas Hawk
don't like flickr's problems? put your pix somewhere else. It's a website, not a national government; it's not fascist. - Chieze Okoye
Most of the time those being deleted have no platform to object and so they turn to the only public avenue that they know the help forum. I like sticking up for the little guy, especially when he/she's in the right. It is frustrating though feeling like you are banging your head against the wall with Flickr who just seem frankly not to care one bit about the criticism or even ever address their censorship choosing to simply lock any thread objecting to it. - Thomas Hawk
no, Chieze, it's not just a "website," any more than FriendFeed is just a "website." It's a community. That's always been what's made it special. It's just too bad that those overseeing the community don't feel that they need to have respect for it. - Thomas Hawk
My contention is that Friendfeed *is* just a website, though. It's kinda nice when they get stuff right, and kinda bad when they get stuff wrong, but at the end of the day, it's just a tool. Is your tool breaking or acting up? Try to fix it within your capacity (writing blogs sometimes works when you're not part of the development itself, but bandying about hyperbole like calling a website fascist usually doesn't) or just move to the next tool that will work reliably the way you want. - Chieze Okoye
There's a huge audience that you only reach through Flickr. There's no "next tool" to reach that many. - Bruce Lewis
Chieze, I didn't call Flickr fascist. I simply reported on the fact that *somebody else* started a blog called that. I pretty much report on everything that's related to flickr that I come across. I'm not sure why I should have been banned simply for reporting on it. We'll have to disagree on both Flickr and FriendFeed merely being "websites." I hold to my contention that they are far, far, more than just "websites," that they are very significant hubs for communities, both of them in fact. - Thomas Hawk
The thing that bugs me most about the way Flickr deals with things is that they delete and/or block, giving the accused no avenue for recourse. If they want to accuse me of having photos on the site that aren't mine, that's fine, but don't take down the evidence. They should have to leave the pics up there and prove to me that they are right. How could I do that after my pictures have... more... - Kenton
Oh, Thomas, I realize that you weren't calling it fascist, I didn't mean to make it seem like I was conflating you with this blog's behavior. Sorry about that. We will have to agree to disagree about the tool/website thing, I guess. I'm not an avid Flickr user, so I don't have that passion (but I am an avid Friendfeeder, at least by my personal standards, and I still think the way I do... more... - Chieze Okoye
Also, @Bruce, at this point, no one should be surprised with Flickr's behavior. Yes there's great audience, but it's not like there NO OTHER photo sharing site that has a community of people you can connect with. Continuing my tool metaphor, it would be like if you had the world's best hammer, but that hammer had poisonous spikes on the handle. For some people who need it or really want... more... - Chieze Okoye
Chieze, I'm well aware there are other photo sharing sites. I run one. But for photographers with a professional interest in getting noticed, Flickr is not optional. - Bruce Lewis
Saying there are options to Flickr is like saying there are options to Windows. Sure, technically there are but not may people use them. - ChiliMac
Yeah, Flickr isn't optional if you want to build a brand/reputation or just get noticed. Which sucks, because I'd have dumped my account there in protest a while ago if that wasn't the case. What's idiotic is that I can't even fathom a reason for these absurd censorship policies. How difficult can it be to implement an holding pen for violating accounts and a review process before they pull that delete trigger? - Eric P
My related blog post: Flickr Censorship Standards = Gay bashing? http://blog.seeminglee.com/2009... - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
posted your blog post separately See-ming. http://friendfeed.com/thomash... Ironicly, posting about this "Flickr is Fascist" blog is what got me indefinitely banned from the Flickr Help forum. I think that they are pretty pissed off about it. At least pissed off enough to ban me over merely mentioning it publicly. - Thomas Hawk
@TH Thanks! I was not going to post it until I realize recently that it is happening to a lot of my gay friends - including some who cannot post to my groups anymore because they are having the same problem, which is very sad. - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
Also see related post on NowPublic by dysamoria: flickr: Racist and Homophobic, or Scamming? http://www.nowpublic.com/culture... - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
As someone who has, quite unfairly, had their name featured several times in the Flickr is Fascist Blog, and who knows who the perpetrator is I can understand why Flickr would want to protect it’s users in this way. The person behind it not only has a malicious personal vendetta against certain people on the site but also promotes the censorship, deletion and suspension of other peoples... more... - david Martyn
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Yahoo Issues Takedown Notice for Spying Price List | Threat Level | Wired.com - http://www.wired.com/threatl...
Yahoo Issues Takedown Notice for Spying Price List | Threat Level | Wired.com
"Yahoo isn’t happy that a detailed menu of the spying services it provides law enforcement agencies has leaked onto the web. Shortly after Threat Level reported this week that Yahoo had blocked the FOIA release of its law enforcement and intelligence price list, someone provided a copy of the company’s spying guide to the whistleblower site Cryptome. The 17-page guide describes Yahoo’s data retention policies and the surveillance capabilities it can provide law enforcement, with a pricing list for these services. Cryptome also published lawful data-interception guides for Cox Communications, SBC, Cingular, Nextel, GTE and other telecoms and service providers. But of all those companies, it appears to be Yahoo’s lawyers alone who have issued a DMCA takedown notice to Cryptome demanding the document be removed. Yahoo claims that publication of the document is a copyright violation, and gave Cryptome owner John Young a Thursday deadline for removing the document. So far, Young has refused." - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
I wonder how much Google charges for theirs? - Glen Mistletoe
Fasthosts charges $75.00/hour http://www.fasthosts.com/about-f... - Glen Mistletoe
1&1 also charges $75/hour http://order.1and1.com/xml... - Glen Mistletoe
dobarter.com charges a minimum fee of $1000 with research at $150/hour http://dobarter.com/Subpoen... - Glen Mistletoe
I wonder how much of this personal data Yahoo uses internally. I wonder if, for instance, someone from the Flickr team, for instance, can use your IP address to look at other ways that you use other Yahoo services. - Thomas Hawk
I can't answer that specific question, but Yahoo! is always trying to find better ways to engage users. Typically, however, the IP address really isn't useful, since the vast majority of people are behind a NAT device. Yahoo! uses its ID system to track users and, in some cases, provide a more personalized experience. For example, in News, we had a project recently where we would track... more... - Glen Mistletoe
No one honestly cares about a *specific* user (i.e., we don't need to know if it's Joe from Santa Clara or Sue from Fremont), but simply using the behavior as a guide. For example, if you visit http://news.yahoo.com, there will be a "local news" panel that will do its best to determine your location and show you news from there. In this case, the best information comes from the user ("I'm in Los Gatos") and only secondarily from things like the IP address. - Glen Mistletoe
Glen, but lets say someone was trolling flickr and Yahoo had their IP address. Could Yahoo staff also run that IP address for Yahoo mail or Yahoo messenger? Are there internal controls put into place at Yahoo that prevent staff from using this data internally. Certain areas like community management come to mind where IP address tracking could be considered useful internally. - Thomas Hawk
Someone *could* run it but it's unlikely to yield anything useful. It's certainly not anything I've heard mentioned at the individual product level. I'm sure that there are data analysts higher up in the company who will track a single user as they move from product to product to see what paths are the most common and for optimizing navigation. When I was on Yahoo! Tech, we did some... more... - Glen Mistletoe
There are internal restrictions on accessing individual user information (for example, to prevent stalking or identity theft) along with all of the usual Sarbanes-Oxley audit controls that are required for everything. You have to be granted permission to access most of this data anyway, and most of it is not available as raw data, but as aggregate. Honestly, no one really cares about an... more... - Glen Mistletoe
You have to understand what a vast quantity of data is out there. An engineer, for example, can log into a single server (for example, to diagnose a site problem) and see the raw log data. But there are usually dozens (if not hundreds) of servers per property; even if a user hits machine #1 on one request, his/her second request might go to machine #47 or #485 or even onto another property. So data is really only useful in aggregate (except, of course, for legal subpoenas and the like). - Glen Mistletoe
But could a Yahoo staffer cross reference things like Flickr groups/mail, Yahoo mail, and Yahoo chat based on IP address? I understand that in general someone there would not be interested in the actions of an individual. But if a staffer was interested in the actions of an individual could they pull up this sort of information on a single user and at what level/authorizations. I'm... more... - Thomas Hawk
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Trying to process a folder with over 3,000 images with the new LR 3 Beta sucks ass. You shouldn't have to reboot the program every two pics
:( oh no, that is bad! - Rachel Lea Fox
The beta release is not intended for real, heavy, day-to-day work. http://regex.info/blog... - tabbr
yup I'm not using LR3 until it ships - I simply don't have the time to be a guinea pig - Phill Price
I tried it on one batch, then deleted it. - Russellreno
I DL'd it but haven't installed it. Getting tired of LR in general though. - Adrian
it's frustrating. sometimes it works, other times I can only get two or three photos processed without rebooting. I wish I knew why. Adobe should give you the option to kill a process if you want to if it takes more than say 60 seconds. - Thomas Hawk
killall -9 [name of process] ... terminal is your friend... assuming you are on mac... - Terence Kearns
Nice! - LANjackal
Adobe made it clear that this is a rough Beta. I would have to assume that all the bugs will be worked out by the time it is released. - Jeff P. Henderson
Still, I'm glad Thomas let us know that it will be a time-consuming bitch to test for the techno-whores amongst us. I have been testing Bibble 5 beta with only slightly better results, but I think I will give LR3 beta a miss based on this thread. I use LR 2.x for my main workhorse (too lazy to photoshop). - Terence Kearns
if you're looking for fast and solid, go Bibble Pro v4 ... Mac/PC/Linux ... - Terence Kearns
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Canon 5200mm F14 SLR DSLR Lens - eBay (item 180438980987 end time Dec-09-09 01:57:17 PST) - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws...
"This is a very rare Canon 5200mm photographic lens. THE largest & most powerful prime lens ever created for dedicated SLR photographic use. Made in Japan. It is my understanding that a customized SLR/DSLR/EF mount can be created/included by the team of optical engineers who presently look after the lens. Due to its large size, it may be better suited to astronomy applications & others... It takes two strong people to lift the lens. It could also be mounted on a customized truck or SUV. A large geared or motorized support head would be needed to get the most out it. The magnification of this lens is truly staggering. If mounted to a Canon HD XL series video camera for example, a reach of 1000x optical (at least) would be possible (approx 37,500mm). The lens could also be mounted to HD & cine cameras. Manual focus & drop-in filters can be used. With so few ever built Canon spent a tonne on the R&D, not to mention the manufacturer of this lens. The Canon factory picture shows the lens... more... - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
Used condition? Pfft, I'm looking for new. ;-p - ronin
Thomas, you should buy it and then update your avatar with that lens. :) - imabonehead
I'm thinking I really, really, really need this for the beach. - Thomas Hawk
Think it would accept a 2x extender? You know... to get a bit more out of it. - Andrew Smith
Maybe stack a couple of extension tubes on there while you're at it. - ronin
*snort* Use it for macro? Reminds me of an old college prof who had an 11x13 view camera with an 18' (yes, feet) bellows—he could take a picture of a penny that was 9 inches wide, but it required 2000 watts of lights to get a decent exposure… - Glen Mistletoe
What! No IS! I'd like to see the tripod that you need to hold that sucker up! - Jeff P. Henderson
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Copenhagen climate summit: 1,200 limos, 140 private planes and caviar wedges - Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth...
Copenhagen climate summit: 1,200 limos, 140 private planes and caviar wedges - Telegraph
"Ms Jorgensen reckons that between her and her rivals the total number of limos in Copenhagen next week has already broken the 1,200 barrier. The French alone rang up on Thursday and ordered another 42. "We haven't got enough limos in the country to fulfil the demand," she says. "We're having to drive them in hundreds of miles from Germany and Sweden." And the total number of electric cars or hybrids among that number? "Five," says Ms Jorgensen. "The government has some alternative fuel cars but the rest will be petrol or diesel. We don't have any hybrids in Denmark, unfortunately, due to the extreme taxes on those cars. It makes no sense at all, but it's very Danish." The airport says it is expecting up to 140 extra private jets during the peak period alone, so far over its capacity that the planes will have to fly off to regional airports – or to Sweden – to park, returning to Copenhagen to pick up their VIP passengers." - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
I wonder if Al Gore will be there traveling by private jet again. You'd think that those that are environmentally conscious would be calling for a boycott of private jets. I guess that might crimp their style though having to fly commercial. - Thomas Hawk
Yeah. Its cramped in coach....... - Roberto Bonini
Caviar wedges? Where the heck is my invitation? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
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I grew up in Big Tujunga Canyon in the Angeles National Forest down in Los Angeles. When I was a kid I remember a massive wild fire came through the canyon in 1975. It scorched our property, but my dad saved the house by staying behind to fight the fire with my grandfather who was a Los Angeles County firefighter. It had been 34 years since that fire when the Station Fire swept through Big Tujunga Canyon earlier this Fall. Once again my dad chose to ignore the evacuation orders and stayed behind to defend the property. The fire scorched most of the property that my parents still live on today. They lost a few vehicles, a trailer and an old storage shed, but my dad fought the fire all by himself with a garden hose and saved the house itself as well as other structures on the property. - Thomas Hawk
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Polanski remains in prison as Swiss officials await conditions of bail to be met | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow...
Polanski remains in prison as Swiss officials await conditions of bail to be met | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times
Polanski remains in prison as Swiss officials await conditions of bail to be met | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times
"Roman Polanski remained in a Swiss prison this morning, with officials sayng the terms of his $4.5 million remain unmet. Officials would not elborate, but reporters outside Polanski's Alpine chalet -- where he will go to live under house arrest -- said workers were plowing snow from the area. "If the conditions were met, he would be in Gstaad," a Swiss Justice spokesman told the Associated Press" - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
So, what are the odds that a helicopter lands on his property here and takes him away back to France if he's granted bail? - Thomas Hawk
If he gets out, he's running. Anyone who thinks differently, is lieing to themselves. - Bluesun 2600
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As a hobby, he counts the war dead - CNN.com - http://www.cnn.com/2009...
As a hobby, he counts the war dead - CNN.com
"Every day, White, 51, updates a Web site he launched in 2003, icasualties.org, to keep count of the dead: American troops, coalition troops, contractors and Iraqi civilians. He eventually began documenting deaths in Afghanistan as well. Special coverage: War in Afghanistan He knew the wars would carry on, but he did not anticipate casualties continuing at this pace. October proved to be the deadliest for U.S. troops in Afghanistan since the beginning of that conflict in 2001. Nor could White have predicted the toll his task would take on him. As the numbers climbed, the dead came back to life on his screen. They weren't just statistics anymore." - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
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Where is this? looks like a theatre marque... - CW™
yeah, it's a detail shot of the Crest theater in Sacramento, an amazing work of neon. - Thomas Hawk
Kol Tregaskes
وااااااااااااااااااو! خيلي وقته ديگه بارون نزده - Moghamer
paradisiac vision. - Ester "Hoshimem" Memoli
وای من اینو چقدر دوست دارم - آق مَـــهدی «Mr.Mahdi»
محشره - Moghamer
Very cool! - Kol Tregaskes
Clever! - Fossil Huntress
could use a little of this in L.A. right now. - Thomas Hawk
If I could pass ours over to you I would. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Kol, this is so cool! - Michael Fidler
I miss the sound though, but me like ;) - Tibor Holoda
Tibor, could have attached an MP3 too. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
We're getting a lot of this in the UK. :-( - Kol Tregaskes
cool - echostreamer
Would make a neat desktop wallpaper - Nick Humphries
رنگ عشق تو این خیابون نزده - درباره Ellie
Even more of this today. Please stop raining! :-( - Kol Tregaskes
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Eco-Friendly Van Meets All-in-One Mobile Home | dornob #shareit - http://dornob.com/eco-fri...
Eco-Friendly Van Meets All-in-One Mobile Home | dornob #shareit
Eco-Friendly Van Meets All-in-One Mobile Home | dornob #shareit
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"The Volkswagen Microbus is a classic - even to those of us born after its time. Arguably unlike the newly remade Beetle, this remake of a VW classic is remarkably true to the original on the outside - but on the inside it is a bio-diesel hybrid stuffed full of high tech gadgetry and eco-friendly innovations." - Kol Tregaskes from Bookmarklet
*swoon* - Ňicķ
sounds awesome. live the hippie dream, only it probably costs about $50,000 or something. - Thomas Hawk
It's kinda cute. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Not a fan. Then again, didn't like the original ;) - Mo Kargas
Afraid not Thomas, $129,000 - Steven Cains
Super cool VW Bus making a comeback... - Walt Ruppar
First of all, I'll cop to wanting one of these. That being said, Jason is right. This is for rich hippies (who probably aren't hippies at all). The VW microbus became the darling of the Flower Power crowd because it was cheap, easy to repair, and big. You could camp in it. Is there a car today that fits this bill? - Chris Baskind
wow, you can buy an awful lot of pot with $129,000. - Thomas Hawk
I don't know a self-respecting hippie that would prefer this over a really nice indoor greenhouse. ;-) - Chris Baskind
@Chris, Most cars today aren't as simple, but with the wealth of knowledge online, it just takes more time. The minivan/SUV can become a camper van with a few mods. They'll never take the place of the VW, but they're an updated version of the 70s panelvan conversions (hopefully without shag carpeting & a disco-ball). - Steven Cains
Nope: there will never be anything that simple again. That's not all bad: I can't imagine a 1960s VW Minibus would satisfy *any* federal safety standard these days. You're right. A used minivan might be the closest thing. - Chris Baskind
Very Cool. You can't drive your house but, you can sleep in your Van !!! - Eric Logan
Want. - Ken Sheppardson
Want!! - Sarah Perez
Very intriguing. How much steel is in that thing? Chris, that would be my next question after fuel consumption: how safe is this thing? And I agree, when we can go back to making transportation that costs less than a small home, we may have achieved something amazing. ;) - Melanie Reed
However, I have heard (and I'm not remembering where at the moment) that there has been a movement growing of people seeking alternative housing and substituting things like this as the new "mobile" home. - Melanie Reed
AWESOME! - tomit
@drewdomkus ... you need this for your move! - tomit
So wanting one! Cute ^__^ - Nia
Hehe, it's dinky, isn't it? :-) - Kol Tregaskes
lovelovelove! - esther ♥ ♫
It looks like it could almost fly in the first pic. ;-) Well, maybe not. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Looks a bit different than the 76 Kombi @imbutafool and I owned several years ago - ThePicMan
Oh, shit, it's so beautifull! - Igor Kuzmin
Everyone is loving this! We should have an FF one and use it to travel to all the FFers around the World (like Pea seems to be doing ;-)). Hehe. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
cool idea, kol. the ff-stream of this tour would be alltheawe. just imagine the photos. - esther ♥ ♫
Look it is my retirement home. - John Flynn
Oh no, don't say that, John. That puts me right off it. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
I want one! - TranceMist
I've owned 5 VWs, two of which were split window vans. I'd love to have another, this is awesome! - Rick Bucich from twhirl
I have had more VWs than other cars...starting with a 71 Superbeetle, and a Split Window Microbus. I would LOVE to have something like this. - Kreg Steppe
Good for grandparents to visit grandchildren and children through the European continent (or another one as well)...nomadism-revival! - Isabelle Ayel
wow i posted this a while back and now can't seem to find it for some reason. friendfeed's search function really sucks! - Cee Bee
Want. Cannot afford. - Jules
So after reading this article yesterday, I found myself this evening in front of a local place that specializes in reconditioning old VWs. It was closed, but there's an awesome red and white microbus out front with a For Sale sign on it. Ugly, underpowered -- and probably dangerous, by modern standards. Want. ;-) - Chris Baskind
Cee, really? I find FF search is pretty good. - Kol Tregaskes
I love this Mobile...owned a few Vdubs, lived in a VW camper, but this is off the hook..I would become a true nomad with this... - bcultral
It's just so cute, LOL! - Kol Tregaskes
love it - chance
Perfect for the recession :-) - Richard A.
I'd like to have something like this, something small. What do you really need? A bed, perhaps a TV and room for your computer. Then you can live anywhere you like, in theory. - Kol Tregaskes
so cute ;) - sakura
Richard, agree. No council tax bill, no utility bills, just petrol I guess? - Kol Tregaskes
I Love this - Nima
Who is this Canadian designer Alexandre Verdier? Seems like he is on Facebook, Linked In but I can't seem to find anything else about him. - Brian Sullivan
We had a wesvalia built Micro when I was a kid. I loved that thing. It was a little flimsily built; but boy it was perfect for my family of campers and road-tripping warriors. Too bad this one is so pricey - Bill Rawlinson
Bumping some old good posts. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Thomas Hawk
New Faster 5 Bay Drobo S Released for $800 - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
New Faster 5 Bay Drobo S Released for $800
Do you use them? I'm looking into getting new HDD externals and these units came to mind. - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
yes, I've got four drobos now and just bought a 5th today as I'm running out of space again. I use Seagate 1TB hard drives in them, although the 1.5 TBs probably make sense too. Both are under $100 each and with $319 (after rebate) now for the old model that seems like a good deal. I've been very happy with my drobos. - Thomas Hawk
Thomas Hawk
New Faster 5 Bay Drobo S Released for $800 - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
New Drobo S
I’ve personally been a big fan of the Drobo and use Drobos for the primary storage of all of my digital data. Remember hard drive failure is not a question of if, but when. I’ve got four Drobos at present with about 12 terabytes of storage and am buying a 5th one today myself as I’m running out of storage again. While a Drobo should not be considered a replacement for offsite backups (remember theft/fire), protecting against hard drive failure (probably the number one way people lose data) makes a lot of sense. I don’t think that I’m going to pay up $800 just yet for the new Drobo, but it looks like the previous model (which has FireWire 800) has dropped in price and is now offering a $30 rebate. At $319.95, after rebate, this is the cheapest I’ve seen this model yet. If you’ve been thinking about picking up a Drobo, now might be the time to do it. - Thomas Hawk
Thomas Hawk
Flickr Pushes Photo Printing With Snapfish, Blocks Competitors From the Flickr API? - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
Flickr Pushes Snapfish Printing Locks Out Competitors?
Over at the Photobox blog they are complaining today after Flickr has apparently cut off their commercial API access. Photobox is a commercial photo printer in the UK who had previously been able to use the Flickr API to help Flickr users print photos with them. From the Photobox blog: “At PhotoBox we passionately believe in the values of the open web and consumer choice; if you do as well then please join us in our mini effort to encourage the mighty ‘community driven’ flickr to play fair. So put your hands in the air by signing this petition and who knows, just maybe, the very smart folks at flickr HQ in sunny CA will stop, take note and reconsider their decision to cut off our full API access. We believe it’s entirely their choice to have a preferential online prints partner in the UK and Europe all over (y)our photostreams (or not!) but to exclusively cut us off ‘due to these contractual obligations’ is a harsh step too far and flies in the face of what we all want – an open and social web driven by consumer choice. “ - Thomas Hawk
LOL at the number of new emails you have on Flickr! - TranceMist
I made a couple of comments on this issue in the Flickr forums. I got a snotty email this morning telling me I had been very naughty and that, as a result, I wasn't allowed to post in the forums anymore. Flickr people are so out of control and up their own arses it makes me want to vomit. What happened to the "old skool" attitude? Someone has really crewed up Flickr. I'd like to know who did it. - Paul Parkinson
I'd noticed the three things but not linked them together. Although its more of a pain I'll be using photobox through FTP for printing, rather than snapfish. - Phill Price
Paul, I'm banned from the Flickr Help Forum as well. Permanently it would seem. They don't like seeing people say things critical of Flickr there. - Thomas Hawk
It would appear that I was only put on the "naughty step" - full service has been resumed. Well it would be if I thought Flickr help was a fair a reasonable place which it clearly isn't. - Paul Parkinson
Thomas Hawk
Powerful Photo Essay by Phillip Toledano About His Father - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Phillip Toledano has a powerful and touching photo essay about the death of his 98 year old father. It’s an honest photographic examination of family, life, and death. It shows how much more powerful photographs can be when you put yourself into them emotionally. Spend a few minutes going through this one. Read the words that go with the images. You won’t regret it. Thanks to Ryan MacLean for the heads up. - Thomas Hawk
Emotional. It is both powerful and subtle. Each photo is an expressive story. The accompanying text compliments the photos. Thanks for posting. - Carl Cabading
Absolutely fantastic and absolutely heartbreaking. - Almond Butterscotch
More of his work here: http://mrtoledano.com/ - Thomas Hawk
Thomas Hawk
Andertho Loves His Olympus E-P1 Pen Compact Digital Camera - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
The Pen
If you are in the market for a compact digital camera check out this review by Flickr user Andertho. He highly recommends the Olympus E-P1. Retro beauty, modern function. This is the sweetest, nicest, awesomest, prettiest digital camera I have ever seen. The form factor is amazing. The build quality is just superb. The fit and finish are masterfully done. The camera has a satisfying heft even given its small size. The shutter makes a nice, quiet ka-chunk noise that is just satisfying as well. This thing looks like something Henri Cartier-Bresson would have carried around 60 years ago, yet it is an amazingly capable modern camera. This is a camera you just want to pick up and hold and play with. I find excuses to take this thing with me and use it. I love my D-300 for what it can DO. I love this camera for what it IS. - Thomas Hawk
Thomas Hawk
Running Through the Cable Car - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
Running Through the Cable Car
I like this picture -- my only question -- how did you find a cable car that empty of people. ;-) - Brian Sullivan
it's in an empty one that they have at AT&T park for the kids to play on. - Thomas Hawk
Ah less magic than I thought - still like the picture. - Brian Sullivan
Thomas Hawk
Nov 13, 2009: Art Opening: Behind the Cup: Coffeeshop Portraits by Paula Wirth at Woody's Cafe - http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event...
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I guess I'll see you there, Thomas. - Spidra Webster
Spidra, were you there? I'm sorry if so and we didn't get to say hi. I was there earlier from 6:30pm or so until a bit after 8pm. - Thomas Hawk
Thomas Hawk
Martinez native accused of dressing up as hero - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin...
Martinez native accused of dressing up as hero
"(11-12) 17:05 PST MARTINEZ -- Steven Douglas Burton was a member of the marching band at Alhambra High School in Martinez, where he struggled to fit in and wasn't known for being athletic. So when he showed up at his 20-year reunion with a buzz cut and dressed in a crisp Marine Corps uniform, fellow members of the class of 1988 were more than a bit surprised. So were military officials, who said Burton had never served in the military - nor had he spent a day fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan, as he claimed. He actually works at a bank in Palm Springs. On Thursday, Burton appeared in a federal courtroom in Riverside and pleaded not guilty to charges that he masqueraded as a decorated military veteran. He was dressed in street clothes, not the Marine uniform he liked to wear with a bevy of what prosecutors said were fake medals, including the Navy Cross and the Purple Heart." - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
This is just kind of sad. - Cristo
an hero? - Samuel L. Jackson
I wonder where the guy got these medals in the first place. Are these the sort of things that you can just buy on eBay? - Thomas Hawk
Thomas: Sadly, yes. Just Google it. Many for sale. - Samuel L. Jackson
Back when I was growing up, a lot of WWII Russian vets were selling their medals for alcohol. Tragic scene - some were even selling the Lenin Medals, which are the highest awards you could get in USSR. - Ivan Makarov
One of my friends served in Iraq; After the ceremonies, his parents had to sell his medals (Purple Heart included) to pay for the parts of a funeral that the military doesn't cover. - Almond Butterscotch
Thomas Hawk
This is the best group of pictures I've seen from you since I've been following. Every shot here is cool. - Mark Welsh
hey, thanks Mark! - Thomas Hawk
Carla
I'd just like to ask who censored me??? I got booted! man....... and I thought you all loved me...
Booted from where? - Thomas Hawk from iPhone
from FF! no shit! I had to sign back in? hmmm,... why'd you do it, Tom??? ;-) - Carla
Nobody here can boot you from FF. - Thomas Hawk
*sigh* trying to be lighthearted here.. though somehow I was gone from FF. wankers! bet it was Brock!!!!! - Carla
ahhhhh ok Carla. I should have recognized the ;) - Thomas Hawk
jaysus... see?? I'm not even Jakey anymore. FF has fucked me over.. I'm gonna hurt that Brock person... *tries to find how to adjust settings.. needs ryan...* - Carla
I think you need to change your name to Jakes there Carla. ;) - Thomas Hawk
I know.. it won't let me... - Carla
Calm down, I'm right here :) - Ryan MacLean
ryan.. help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee - Carla
ryan!!! - Carla
bah - Carla
Wendy Martyn
consider this. I suggest keep Posey and Pierre as the only admins, have two mods Sandy and Roger. build on the current group since the foundation is already there and possibly the smoothest transition for all concerned.
Wendy, it sounds like there is a lot of animosity in the new group. Maybe the thing to do is to just start over in the group here, that way nothing is being impossed on anyone. Whoever wants to can still stay there. We can get the new group up to 3,000 members in short order, and a lot of interesting new people. Those who prefer the old group can stay there or do both if they want. As... more... - Thomas Hawk from iPhone
I can't believe you typed that much from an iphone onscreen keyboard. - kinobe
TH, i wouldn't call it animosity. you know DMU, people get all worked up and angry all the time. the whole idea was brought up just yesterday. they'll be calm soon. that's why i said we shouldn't rush into anything. - Mo Tabesh
Good point Mo. Nothing needs to be done right away. - Thomas Hawk from iPhone
egads i don't understand WTF is going on. - tmt
tmt, I don't think anything is going on right now. I think an idea was put forward to think about combining the DMUs on Flickr but I don't think it was well received, so I think the idea at this point is that the idea's out there and lets just see how things go, but business as usual for the time being. - Thomas Hawk
TH it was very well received. VERY well. One person felt that the approach was a little to "demands" oriented, but that is all. People would still prefer to see this rift undone by large margins. - Shims
I'd be down for that. We already have a 1,000 in a pool with no discussions. I've voiced my desire to have minimal amount of admins very clear, and frankly, I don't understand why Roger has not been made a mod in any of DMU groups. No one looks at the pool more frequent than he does. - Ivan Makarov
It just felt more or less like a barrage of negativity to me and ego. Maybe I'm being too sensitive though. Frankly, it doesn't mean a great deal to me one way or the other at this point. I doubt I will be very active in *any* flickr forum on a personal level going forward. I'm just not willing to personally invest emotionally in something that can be destroyed nor risk my own account... more... - Thomas Hawk
1000 mostly inactive people. And n00bs who have nothing invested in the location at that. The fact is the stated consensus from people is that moving again and abandoning more threads is not what they want. - Shims
TH only Sandelion got minimally upset ... and not at the idea, simply the implied demand. - Shims
It just felt negative to me in general. Mo didn't seem to like the idea at first either. But a lot of it felt negative overall and really egoish and selfish and reminded me in a way of alot of the old old DMU. Where people like Superchou and Beebo and Corin became these petty tyrants when in power. It felt like power was really important to some of the personalities involved, which is... more... - Thomas Hawk
TH it was overwhelmingly positively embraced. And comparing anyone to those cunts is unfair and inaccurate. People are edgy after putting so much time and effort into something, having it disappear, and then re-investing a ton of effort to reform what we had. Anyone here is welcome to reach out again should you so desire. Laters. - Shims
Shims - your DMU isn't too much different either. 20 active members and 480 inactive ones. But that's not the point. The negativity from yesterday, and it was not just from Sandy, was not something I've enjoyed. - Ivan Makarov
It's not in any way shape or form "My" DMU for the record. It's ours. Always has been. - Shims
Ivan, what would you like to see changed in the group before you consider joining it. I get the feeling your not interested in it and only want us all to join the other one, There has to be a little give and take here. I thought my idea would work well, anyway..... - Wendy Martyn
EVERYBODY wants to get together back on flickr SOMEWHERE. several people need to stop being dicks. - andertho
Ivan and TH let's work this out and have a strong group again on flickr - Wendy Martyn
I'm fine with working on it. But I'd like to see something that everyone agrees on. Maybe that's not possible. Andertho's idea about starting a new group might be the way to go. But then the question comes up again who would admin it and that alone is bound to get people all worked up. I'm actually pretty open to doing whatever. I doubt I'll be super involved in a new forum anyways.... more... - Thomas Hawk
Too much argument, too much hostility and too little consensus going on right now. I think starting a new group might be the only way to go. There will be those who won't come who simply don't like us, and others won't come because stars next to their names matter too much, but that's life. - Ivan Makarov
Sounds like you've got your mind set on opening the forum up for ff group. Just do it then, because this is becomming divisive without reason. - Wendy Martyn
that's not true wendy. nobody is going to rush to a conclusion here. we were all clear we are not going to make a decision soon. we were just talking. - Mo Tabesh
Apparently Ivan feels he understand peoples motivations perfectly and has rushed to quite a few conclusions. - Shims
Meanwhile hopes are raised and then dashed with indecision, come on let's get together on this - Wendy Martyn
Agree with Mo. Nobody is going to do anything anytime soon. Nothing wrong with taking some time to get things right. - Thomas Hawk
I think we should just stop the discussion altogether, take a recess till 2010. - Ivan Makarov
no. we should just chill and speak to each other reasonably. - Mo Tabesh
i hope everyone realizes that every "real" person that opposes this can be counted on one hand, the rest of the opposition is just a pageantry of trolls... if anything can be learned from what happened it's that you cannot engage in any meaningful conversation with trolls hell bent on destruction. in fact trying to do so only deepens the rift and sting of animosity. - bluetick
so I don't know where this is going, but I think we've all come to a complete halt on this, probably taken a step back from where we were a week ago. - Ivan Makarov
The truth is there is no one who opposes it. There are quite a few that oppose folding up tent again just when things are returning to psuedo ab-normal and a few others who are tired of having their motives impinged ... myself included. Beyond that, its nothing but egos getting in the way. Perhaps the only path forward is a more direct level of communication. Communication break-down seems to be a big problem here. - Shims
time for a real chat over beers/pepsi (for me) somewhere? - Ivan Makarov
I think that's a pretty swell idea. - Shims
out to go shoot. Can talk about it later. Am happy to get together with anyone most afternoons or lunch in the City. - Thomas Hawk
Maybe beer/coke and Chinese food at that place of yours. Nothing like Chow Mein among friends. - Shims
what a troll fest it is today. never seen so many on dmuncensored. - Mo Tabesh
They feed on controversy. It's their life blood. - Shims
yes, amazing. someone from flickr is probably watching this with finger twitching near the red button. - Ivan Makarov
let's not let flickr win, ok guys? - Wendy Martyn
ivan can i blow smoke up your ass now? - Mo Tabesh
haha, yes, Mo. yes. the day has come!! i feel all the power in the world. - Ivan Makarov
* blows smoke * - Mo Tabesh
Wait ... my pants weren't down. - Shims
you get that from "us" admins, my smoke is reserved for "them" admins. - Mo Tabesh
So whats it going to be folks ... are we going to put aside petty scwabbles and all play nice or is this "us" "them" shit gonna continue. I looking forward to either a celebratory beer or shutting down my Flickr account if this blows up. - Shims
personally, i am full of dmu bullshit. not much has changed for me, and i rather take a break. others are on their own. i will keep cleaning the pool unless a decision has made. - Mo Tabesh
Personally, I am full of burrito. Chicken with pinto beans and some nice spicy salsa. - Shims
Mo, I'm starting to think your never happy, so....can we move forward and tease the trolls ;-} - Wendy Martyn
very correct wendy. i am unhappy. - Mo Tabesh
why? - Wendy Martyn
long story, but it has nothing to do with DMU and such. i hope things all work out for you all. - Mo Tabesh
Mo, fm me, ok? - Wendy Martyn
done. - Mo Tabesh
you need to visit Miami Mo ;-} plenty of sunshine and beaches - Wendy Martyn
:-) - Mo Tabesh
Miami Mo would make a good gangsta name. - Shims
hahaha ... or a transvestite prostitute ;-} - Mo Tabesh
woo - Carla
There are a lot of people acting like children with regards to this issue. Little children. Wearing diapers. - andertho
lol andertho. chill, it's all gonna be ok. - Mo Tabesh
Tom - I have two people living in my home still wearing diapers. - Ivan Makarov
ivan, i thought it was a good idea, but you don't have to do it if you don't want to. i understand, you are a busy man. - Mo Tabesh
yeah, time is of the essence Mo. but i think you'll do a good job. but having any kind of status is responsibility. and drama. i don't need it right now. - Ivan Makarov
meanwhile, Mo - I'm off to take my son to Sharks - Stars game. I'll tell Heatley hi from you. - Ivan Makarov
lucky basterds, enjoy the heathly :-) - Mo Tabesh
he's been a beast.. the kind of goalscorer Sharks have never had. and all is well while he's happy to be here. i hope it lasts. - Ivan Makarov
: - Carla
Thomas Hawk
SF Chronicle: Aerial photographer Robert Cameron dies - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin...
SF Chronicle:  Aerial photographer Robert Cameron dies
"Three months ago, Robert Cameron was hanging out of a helicopter taking pictures of Lombard Street. That was the last flight for the indefatigable "Above San Francisco" photographer who died Tuesday at his home in Pacific Heights. He was 98 and in the midst of his last show - "Environmental Journey: Robert Cameron's Aerial Photography of our Pacific Rim," which is on display at the Metreon in downtown San Francisco. "He just wore out," said his son, Tony Cameron." - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
interesting. Ivan and I went by his display at the Metreon but didn't go in and see it on Tuesday (I didn't want to shell out the $5). I had him confused with the guy who did that Titanic movie. May have to go check this out after all. - Thomas Hawk
oh wow. talk about the irony. - Ivan Makarov
"His wife, Janet, predeceased him in 2003. Survivors include his girlfriend, Jeffreys Corner of Los Angeles" - way to not get old, Robert! - Brian Johns
Here's an article with a lot more in-depth info about him: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin... - Brian Johns
Wasn't he taking pictures until his death? Around age 90 or so? CHAMP. - RumNose
Ivan Makarov
Interview with me on Caliber - Through Their Lens: Ivan Makarov - http://calibersf.com/2009...
Interview with me on Caliber - Through Their Lens: Ivan Makarov
Ivan (pronounced ee-VAHN) Makarov is a Bay Area photographer that I have admired and loosely worked with over the past year. He strikes a balance of discipline, curiosity, and variety in his work; possibly a function of his continual pursuit of decency. Although stoic in facade, I think Ivan is constantly inserting emotion into his photography. I wanted to probe a bit on a few fronts of his style and inspiration. Read on… - Ivan Makarov from Bookmarklet
nice Ivan. Congrats! - Thomas Hawk
Absolute congrats, Ivan. This is one of my favorites and gives me the "willies" every time I look at it. Your subject is certifiably nuts! - Roger Loewen
Thomas Hawk
Warhol’s ‘200 One Dollar Bills’ Fetches $43.8 Million in N.Y. - Bloomberg.com - http://www.bloomberg.com/apps...
Warhol’s ‘200 One Dollar Bills’ Fetches $43.8 Million in N.Y. - Bloomberg.com
"Nov. 12 (Bloomberg) -- An Andy Warhol painting of 200 dollar bills was sold for $43.8 million at a New York art auction by London-based art collector Pauline Karpidas, more than 100 times what she paid in 1986. Five bidders vied for Warhol’s 1962 “200 One Dollar Bills” at the Sotheby’s sale last night and it went to an unidentified phone buyer. The 7 1/2-foot wide silkscreen canvas comprises repetitive images of one-dollar bills, reproduced in tones of black on grey, with a blue Treasury seal. Karpidas offered the work, according to two people familiar with the situation. She paid $385,000 for the painting at a 1986 Sotheby’s sale." - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
Mo Tabesh
people are tagging or using csratr just to save/delete with no comment. what the fuck is going on?
cunts - Chris Nixon
I blame Jakes. - Thomas Hawk
csratr should not accept votes without comments. Developers! - meckimac
i saw that TH!!! :) - Carla
Shims
I'm out ... so much for rebuilding friendships.
i told you i will stay out of this. if TH or ivan or mecki or all others want to "trickle back" to the dmuncensored, as it was said in the "veterans of the DMU group/thread" prophecy, they will. i personally, as it is, will not. i'm just one person though, and as was said in the "veterans of the DMU group/thread" you guys shouldn't beg Mo to join, right? do whatever is right. i sure will do. - Mo Tabesh
Probably best Mo. You've lost any objectivity on the subject at this point. - Shims
when was the last time you posted something here? when was the last time you voted here? apparently we don't exist unless we joing dmuncensored. isn't it my way or highway? - Mo Tabesh
and when did i mumble about opening the threads? - Mo Tabesh
hi guys! - Carla
I mentioned opening the threads, not Mo. In fact, that's the only thing I made him promise me he *wouldn't* do when I made him an admin. I brought it up yesterday because it seemed like maybe that would cause less friction. - Thomas Hawk from iPhone
It's really not necessary for me to cross post the times Mo has asserted the same "open the threads" point of view. You guys came over - to your credit - to breech the idea of making whole again this quick frankly ridiculous split. I came over here to try to reach out and do the same thing. Since then, its degenerated into a bunch of "we want this" and "we won't do that" on both sides -... more... - Shims
Ivan Makarov
Spent an afternoon shooting in SF with TH. I think we're warming up to the idea of going back to Flickr forums. We miss the community too much.
tick tock - tick tock - free the forums, they will come... you guys invite me to drive 3 hours for a photo shoot but not in my own back yard :-( - bluetick
it was kind of a last minute thing - I wasn't sure about my schedule.. - Ivan Makarov
just kidding ivan... love to hang out but not sad emoticoned. everyone would love to ditch this rift, and unite the forum... keep thinking about it. - bluetick
I agree the Flickr discussions were much more intuitive than FF. As an alternative, I could setup a Forum platform on our dmumag.com website. - meckimac
I'm pretty disillusioned with Flickr forums for the times being. I have two big hesitations when it comes to them. 1. I think my own personal activity in forums jeopardizes my own personal flickr account and puts that at risk and 2. After going through two group implosions, on a personal level, I don't want to put the emotional energy into a forum only to see it nuked in the end. But... more... - Thomas Hawk
I think another problem with DMU right now is too many admins. There is no reason to have a lot of admins in a DMU group. Too many admins only opens up the potential that people will be censored or the group could possibly be nuked by admin. Personally I don't think a DMU group should have more than four admins and even four is pushing it. Not sure the answer to that either. - Thomas Hawk
So ask some to step down? - Ryan MacLean
can a group only have one admin, and it becomes a rotating post?... i guess not... abuse would be an issue... - JediPein
posted on this over on Flickr here: http://www.flickr.com/groups... - Thomas Hawk
Common guys. Don't let this die. It was bound to have some hiccups, but let's make this happen. - Shims
cross posted: Here's an idea: (1) Stand up new group, lock threads and pool. (2) Make massive announcements on both existing flickr DMUs and in FF. Tell everybody to join the new DMU. (3) Wait. Keep status quo as you wait. (4) When membership in new, locked group exceeds a certain threshold (say, 500 members), give one week notice to flickr DMUs and FF that "we're moving." (5) At the... more... - andertho
@meckim@c: many people said "it's easy to set up a forum" but they never finished. that's the problem. - Mo Tabesh
Mo - the fact that FF is dying down I think is a good indication of where other non-Flickr forums will be headed. I think we're learning that it's hard to grow Flickr-based community outside of Flickr. Most people simply aren't comfortable with taking extra steps of going somewhere else. - Ivan Makarov
then how come they use photoratr? that's outside community. you just need a well-designed forum. - Mo Tabesh
but they don't join us here in FF, so they won't join us in the forum. Look who's having a discussion on FF - like 10 of us who are old pre-nuking members. - Ivan Makarov
I don't know what the right answer to do is. Maybe the best thing is to do nothing. Or to table the idea for a few weeks. Or maybe the best thing to do is simply to open the threads in our Flickr pool. Mo can invite a few others to help him admin, I'll step down and we just pick up from there. Let the other group do their own thing and rebuild our own DMU on Flickr. People can be in both or one or the other based on their preference. - Thomas Hawk
ivan, there is no joining. the forum is a link in flickr. when you click, forum uses your flickr ID so you don't sign in to anything new. (just like photoratr). but whatever. - Mo Tabesh
I say, let's go back to Flickr and give it another try - while I like the FF interface it feels kind of empty and the DMU pool is also pretty deserted. While I personally think Thomas should be an admin, we will most likely cause less attention without him as an admin and therefore can fly longer below the "FCR" (Flickr Censorship Radar). - meckimac
i rather stay here. we have 1080 members, and it's pain in the ass to move. maybe we should just open the threads and let hardcores have the threads. afterall, it's not about winning or losing, so we can just open the threads and watch. - Mo Tabesh
Mo - this place here is pretty much dead. That's what I don't like about it. And despite growing in numbers on paper (DMU pool), this place is not growing. - Ivan Makarov
how many other DMU groups are there that feed "The Lightbox"? - meckimac
it's "the real hardcores", and us, FF splinter assholes. - Mo Tabesh
opening the threads at our flickr pool is always a possibility. We could easily get the membership up to 3,000 and have a very active and vibrant forum there. - Thomas Hawk
Voting is key, and sadly that seems to have gone the way of the dodo. It easily takes 15, 20 hours for something to make it through the entire voting process. I think a primary reason for this is the fact that there's no clear place for n00bs to be nudged or to go if they have questions (and be sent to UTATA). Yes, there's FF, but the whole experience (flickr here, ff there) leaves a nasty taste in one's mouth. I fully support the merge and/or opening of the flickr discussions. - Chris Martino
Tom - I think if we open the threads in the pool DMU, the other, old hardcores, will not follow and remain where they are now. That includes some people I still care about. But with time it can evolve into another DMU... I don't know. This whole bitter reaction from few members today leaves a sour taste in my mouth. - Ivan Makarov
Oh, and our buddy James is back to Flickr DMU group.. - Ivan Makarov
"i rather stay here. we have 1080 members, and it's pain in the ass to move. maybe we should just open the threads and let hardcores have the threads. afterall, it's not about winning or losing, so we can just open the threads and watch." --- this pretty much fucks the entire idea of re-unifying. - Shims
Ivan. The only bitter reaction was from Sandelion. And what she reacted to was the implied demand associated with the proposal. She want the old crew back as much as anyone. - Shims
Open your threads and you create the Grand Canyon of DMU splits. Might as well declare war on what we once tried to create together. - Shims
the resurfacing of James is not helping the matter, as it will only lead to another nuking of the group, and quicker than we imagine, especially if TH is back to DMU. - Ivan Makarov
Its just a troll. Just like any other troll. No one knows who it really is. If you think he's not going to head over to your threads if you open them, you are sadly mistaken. - Shims
it's a troll alright, but it's the same troll who nuked our last group. what we need is someone dig up an "ignore" script for flickr. i googled it extensively today and i don't think it exists. - Ivan Makarov
All that has to happen is that he be ignored - Shims
shims, i dislike dmuncensored group. i can't get over the ick factor. sorry. i'm not going to open threads here. as a matter of fact, when TH made me an admin, the only think he asked was not to open the threads, that's his call. - Mo Tabesh
What's the "ick" factor Mo? - Shims
deep dislike that doesn't go away by taking a shower. - Mo Tabesh
deep dislike of who or what? - Shims
douchebaggery. - Mo Tabesh
As a dmuncensored active member, I can't help but feel the "douchebagger" comment was directly or indirectly directed at me as a member. Should I be taking this personally? - Adam Harrison
Preferably weekly? :) - Ryan MacLean
douchbaggery is our specialty. Or perhaps you are referring to one particular "douchebag"? - Shims
i can't tell you what to do adam. - Mo Tabesh
Ivan, I'm not sure you need a script to ignore people :P I've been doing it quite well for a lil while. - Ryan MacLean
i think i am done talking about this for today. really. i have nothing to add. if TH wants to open the threads he can. if he wants to wait, as i suggested it, we can. if "them" want to join "us", they can. whatever. don't beg mo. other will trickle back. i say fuck'em! - Mo Tabesh
OK ... Fuck'em it is. Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail. I'll be in DMU. Laters. - Shims
my head is very cool. if it was hot, i would have done something by now. all i am saying is to chilax. remember the therrr fiasco? how about we think ahead? - Mo Tabesh
If you want to sit there and call me a douchebag, that's on your conscience. Though, for the life of me, I have no idea what I did to you to deserve your name calling. - Adam Harrison
i didn't call you a daouchebag, you seem to be volunteering really. when did i call you one? and don't make me come back to dmuncensored start a witch hunt again, this time on your ass. - Mo Tabesh
and since when my opinion matters to you all? do whatever you think is right. who the fuck cares about what i say?! - Mo Tabesh
Ryan - I'm looking for Flickr-specific script. - Ivan Makarov
My ass is too hot for you! :-p And your opinion has always mattered. I respect your opinion more than most of the other people in the DMU, but that doesn't mean I'm always going to agree with you. - Adam Harrison
Yes, the ignore functionality on FF is nice. It would be nice to have this sort of functionality on flickr or at a minimum a greasemonkey script for it. Slowburn made one at one point. http://www.flickr.com/groups... It might be able to be modified to more easily ignore people in flickr groups. - Thomas Hawk
I too worry that it's only a matter of time before Flickr nukes DMU again. Especially with James around. But nothing has to be done now. I think perhaps the best thing to do is to simply give it time and think about it. It seems like bringing up the idea in general today created quite a bit of hostility. maybe the time is not right. - Thomas Hawk
Yes, I'm not sure I want to come back until we have 'ignore' script working. - Ivan Makarov
it's not hostility TH, people don't like change. that's all. - Mo Tabesh
yeah maybe. Probably best to hang here for a while. The ignore thing seems like it's nicer here and I'm not at all unhappy with the community that we have here. I think I just felt a little guilty after talking to Troy last week when I was explaining to him why I wasn't involved with Flickr forums anymore and he brought up the point about maybe I needed to see beyond my own self... more... - Thomas Hawk
it's all good. just we need to think about the details before doing anything. - Mo Tabesh
DO IT FOR DMU MAG second edition! - Shims
will take another shower later tonight, might help to get over that ick factor. i promise not to molest myself in the shower. - Mo Tabesh
ICK! - Shims
whatever. - Mo Tabesh
I see your "whatever" and raise you a "meh" - Shims
Ivan, what administration changes would you be comfortable with to allow a merge with the open dmu group? - Wendy Martyn
Too many posts to read thru but I'm in agreement with a merger. It's getting very tedious to visit 2 DMUs and FF. - kinobe
okay, here goes nothing.. but I do feel that though you have 1000+ members now, well how many actually participate?? I try... I just keep losing the link.. got booted from FF... I always look at my groups list to see where the action is and with no threads this group never shows up, so I forget to come here. (maybe thats why I was booted??) I've said it before, DMU was never really... more... - Carla
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