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it's really hard to find new, good podcasts. Just went through 2 pages of search results here at FriendFeed and didn't find anything I wanted to listen to more than Stack Overflow and twit. Those i already knew about. :( What's your iTunes podcast window look like? hint hint, suggestions?
innit4theminute, Matt Fogel, Arvind and 52 other people liked this
Geeks and God for Drupal CMS and general technology implementation
- Peter Kelley
I don't see the ReadBurner podcast on there. FAIL. :-)
- Louis Gray
humorous: http://youlooknicetoday.com/
- Paul Arterburn
Have you tried Mur Lafferty or Scott Sigler?
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
try out one of the shows at http://randomchatter.com - they have movie, tech, and other topic-centric podcasts - nice guys
- Nathan Chase
Buzz Out Loud isn't too bad.
- Jared B. Luther
I enjoy BOL too. Been a fan since the beginning. However, if you're looking for something different, try On Digital Media http://odmcast.com (shameless plug ;-)
- Steven Hatch
john cleese, stephen fry, kevin smith, Andrew Denton. Get to it!!
- thomasrdotorg
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awesome, thanks for all the suggestions!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
NOVA Science Now, Scientific American, The Naked Scientists, the Pragmatic Podcasts, Hanselminutes, SE-Radio (though I skip most of them), Core Intuition, Late Night Cocoa, Mac Developer Network, Grammar Girl
- DGentry
NPR's All Songs Considered, NPR's Science Friday, Magnum in Motion
- Sam Grover
No Agenda.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
I like the BBC news podcasts....
- Mitch
I love BOL (Buzz Out Loud)...also Loaded, Twit, The Social Geeks (of course), Diggnation, Grammar Girl, The Answer Bitch, LostCasts (when LOST returns that is), ReadBurner, CNET TV, CNET Mailbag (Molly Wood is damn funny) and the occasional Tekzilla and Security Now.
- Sarah Perez
BOL is great, CNET has some damn good podcasts.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
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FFundercats??? Ho???
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Good call Lindsay, FFundercats, HO! Go grab it.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
My one must-have podcast is Danny Sullivan's SearchCast: http://dailysearchcast.com/
- Matt Cutts
I listen to the Gillmor Gang (I'll be on tomorrow at 1 p.m. from China, by the way) and TWiT. Otherwise I "snack" on other audio shows here and there.
- Robert Scoble
NY Times Front Page, Wall Street Journal Tech News Briefing (both are good first thing in the morning), NewsGang Live / Gillmor Gang. Leo Laporte has a few good ones like TWiT, MacBreak Weekly, Windows Weekly, Security Now.
- Rolf Schewe
I feel bad for not listening to TWiT very much while everyone else does. It is in my podcatcher but I almost always listen to it part way and then move on. The podcast is a lot of fun, but it just feels like BOL got the same things already and talked about them days earlier. I have a lot of podcasts (I do love NPR and I've found a number of great book world and fiction podcasts) and I'd rather listen to something new.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
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Aram: I understand that. I don't get to all of them either. usually I just listen to the ones that get talked about on Twitter or FriendFeed. Speaking of which, http://www.fastcompany.tv is my video podcast.
- Robert Scoble
These are all great suggestions -- I just scarfed up a mess of them and added them to iTunes. Thanks!
- Mitch Wagner
If you're not already listening to This American Life you're missing the best radio show ever. Fresh Air is good, too. And Wait Wait Don't Tell Me.
- Leo Laporte
gdgt
- rob
NPR is all sorts of awesome. I second "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me!"
- Amy H.
TED Talks (video) always has great stuff
- Virtual Bird's Eye
from twhirl
If you like listening to non-work related podcasts (i.e. NOT tech), check out The Moth. Also This American Life.
- Aaron Uhrmacher
"WFMU's Best Show On WFMU" is HILARIOUS! I also like Studio 360 and many of the ones mentioned above.
- Brad Williamson
In the same vein as WFMU are the podcasts from RESONANCE FM, "the art of listening"
- Brad Kligerman
Oh my - where's NPR's "Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me", and NPR's Car Talk, and Leo's "Security Now!" podcast? And if you're not only twisted, but actually sprained, check out Merlin Mann's podcast "You Look Nice Today".
- mamapadawan
If you are into Social media, PR and communication, then check out For Immediate Release (FIR). Shel Holtz and Neville Hobson host this bi-weekly podcast and it is without a doubt the best communications podcast out there.
- morten saxnaes
NPR's Wait Wait and This American Life make it to my podcast list. I'm learning Danish too, and there is a great podcast called "CopenhagenCast" that is a great learning tool for the language.
- Guy Martin
Check out The Bugle and Sex Talk with Jimmy Stewart!
- Wes Hoogenboom
from iPhone
Skeptics Guide to the Universe is excellent, one of the best podcasts out there. Also, Seminars about Long Term Thinking is often great.
- Gersham Meharg
Savage Love (sex and relationships, about 35 minutes, weekly), Memory Palace (quirky history stories, about 5 minutes, published irregularly), 60 Second Psych (short stories about psychology, published irregularly), and I love, love, love Tank Riot (kind of indescribable--runtime 1 hour+, published every two weeks or month or so by three guys in Wisconsin), and also one called Copper Robot by some guy named "Mitch Wagner."
- Mitch Wagner
Totally Rad Show is pretty funny.
- Siddharth Mitra
Nice idea......................
- Kevin J Hatton
The Moth, The Memory Palace, Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, The Dinner Party Download, The Sound of Young America, Obsessives (video by CHOW), Studio 360, TED (audio or video), Third Coast International Audio Festival, Current Vanguard (video), Frontline WORLD (video), World Cafe.
- Rekha Murthy
The autoblog pod cast, and the truth about cars (although they are daily now, that could disappear)
- rosenbaaron
If you want some nuanced humor, check out and listen to the backlog of You Look Nice Today.
- Charles Englert
PodCastle, Escape Pod and PseudoPod for fantasy, sf and horror respectively.
- Deborah Fitchett
http://www.maximumfun.org/shows... , http://www.wnyc.org/shows...
- Micah Wittman
Mac OS Ken is my newest podcast subscription. Truly awesome.
- mamapadawan
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- innit4theminute
Anyone know how to turn a Facebook profile page into a Fan page? I have a client whom I think needs this done (4000+ friends?!)
I don't think you can do that.
- Robert Scoble
I think some people have talked Facebook into doing it for them - they create a fan page and change your friends into fans. But they had connections at the company.
- invariant - farewell FF
Thomas this can be done, but you have to request this from Facebook. The most recent person who I have seen do this is Ali Brown @alibrownla on Twitter.
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
You can turn a Group into a page and the page now looks like a Facebook profile page (I liked the old look better) and for a one time deal Facebook will transfer all your group people over to the page. And Peter is correct, you have to ask Facebook to help you and you have to be the recognized admin to be able to do this. I have done it for our NonProfit.
- Melanie Reed
The "turn a group into a page" service has now been withdrawn by Facebook.
- Tim Tyler
"We're no longer able to convert Facebook Groups into Pages. You're welcome to create a Page and notify your Group members that you'll be using the Page instead of the Group going forward. If your Group has too many members to send them a message, we unfortunately aren't able to provide you with any other solutions for how you might contact them about this change."
- Tim Tyler
I seem to recall Randi Zuckerberg do this recently... though I imagine she has less trouble finding someone to do this than I will find. It's for an international Motorcycle racer who has accepted every friend request and now is struggling with real life friends, fans and haterz cluttering his personal profile. He needs to start a new personal profile for friends and family only and let...
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- thomasrdotorg
From what I have seen over the last week most people are encouraging their 'friends' to join their Facebook fan page. Would be interesting to know if you find an automated solution
- Jonnie Jensen
Centre Com Online - http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog...
Today is TechCrunch's fourth birthday. It seems longer than that. Thanks for all the tech news!
JPannu, Pat Hawks, Susan Beebe and 29 other people liked this
it certainly feels like it has been around forever but in a good way
- Nick Stone
That's a testament to how fast the web world moves. I thought they had been around for much longer than that too. HB TC.
- Sajida H Khan
Congrats TC
- Jamie
Figuring out how this all works. Happy Birthday!
- Nicole
I unsubscribed yesterday. after this overly indulgent "Aren't we the king-makers" post from Arrington: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- thomasrdotorg
Robert Scoble When is building43.com going live?
- WolfManz611
Oops Where is Friendfeed account for Techcrunch
- Michael_techie
And hasn't the site changed. In it's first few months of operation, I got a copy of Godin's Big Moo from Mike, as he was using it as a 'prize' to get people to link to him.
- Rachel Clarke
Hope you have a great launch party later today Robert. Wish I could have made it down there. Give my best to Mike, Rocky, Daniel, Louis, et al.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Dang, four years. Time flies. Hey, best of luck with your launch tomorrow. Looking forward to it =)
- Miiko Mentz
Being around 4 yrs is forever on the web. Congrates! Quality will out. And it has here.
- D Lets
Since the beginning I've been a fan. Lately, MIke's articles and videos have turned me off. Mike is a smart guy no doubt, but that doesn't mean he has to act like his shit doesn't stink. His arrogance just might lose this reader. Hey that's good, lets call him Mike Arrogance, haha!
- Ryan Erickson
CONGRATS TC, Arrington, Erik and team!! MG signed up just in time for some cake! :)
- Susan Beebe
Have fun Mike, Leena, Erick and Team; here's a slideshow for you today: http://tinyurl.com/mkqenp
- JPannu
Where will you guys follow online the Apple Keynote today? Where is best?
Lizunlong, Lane Rapp, Mark Essel and 43 other people liked this
http://gdgt.com/ (Ryan Block's site, he used to run Engadget). Or, even better, VentureBeat's WWDC room right here: http://friendfeed.com/apple-w...
- Robert Scoble
Engadet is always a favorite of mine.
- Shane Schnell
http://wwdc.twitterfall.com for Twitter chatter
- Jalada
Add to that Macrumors.com, engadget, techcrunch, and whoever gets hot on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Engagdet always does a great job. http://www.engadget.com/2009...
- Shawn Hickman
http://keynotetweets.com/live looks good. Never tried it before.
- Roberto Bonini
Engadget. Although I might do gdgt.
- Aaron Hood
from BuddyFeed
I ususally follow edgaget, macrumors,etc.
- Roberto Bonini
I usually go with macrumors but engadget always has good photos in the update stream
- Mike Bracco
Scoble, gdgt.com looks really good too.
- Shawn Hickman
will someone have live streaming video or does apple prohibit that?
- Mike Bracco
Trying to decide between Engadget and GDGT, it's a tricky one, but leaning towards GDGT as have always found Ryan Block's coverage brilliant.
- Steve Farnworth
Pretty certain it's not allowed.
- Jalada
Isn't Leo doing a show at live.twit.tv ?
- Chris Taylor
usually there is something over ustresam.com or live.twit.tv
- alex
Is there no livestream?
- David Schmidt
I would love to see a live video stream too. Preferably Ustream so I could watch it on my phone
- Shawn Hickman
I hope he his. I'm tuning in defo.
- Roberto Bonini
oups i mean ustream.com
- alex
keynotetweets for me too
- Nichlas Hummelsberger
I can't remember where I watched it last time that had a live stream of updates. I think Ars Technica. I can't stand those F5 sites. :)
- Chris Hearn
I'll probably keep up with the Apple Keynote at engadget. They do a fine job.
- Paul Maez
Twitscoop.com - who says I'm biaised ? Joking apart, see it for yourself when the conf starts...
- twitscoop
ArsTechnica - the IRC option is nice & light.
- James Shiell
Engadget usually delivers the richest copy, and images as well in their live coverage. And expect an official streaming QT at Apple's site a few hours later.
- jon skivenes
how about Macrumors IRC...
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
just summed up a few of your links in a blog post http://www.loiclemeur.com/english...
- Loic Le Meur
As it will be 3am in Australia... via RSS in the morning.
- thomasrdotorg
Every year engadget goes down under the load and every year they apologise
- David Lloyd
Mark: that's why I recommend other sites and that you have a list ready in case your favorite goes down.
- Robert Scoble
I think Leo's live.twit.tv show is AFTER the keynote. I'm going to watch #wwdc on my Seesmic Desktop, and gdgt and Engadget.
- Darius Dunlap
I think Apple should charge $5 for an official live stream and donate the money to charity - they would probably make a bunch of money. I would gladly pay.
- Mike Bracco
I hope MacRumors doesn't get hacked again. I'll probably have a dedicated window of WWDC coverage with a few tabs open. No reason to stick to just one! CTRL+TAB FTW!
- Chris Hearn
Mike Bracco - I see it coming with all this great access to global conversations connecting.
- carolynn kutz
@Loic Le Meur... cool summary. thanks
- Goktug Okan Oguz
LOIC: just checked out your blog - hadn't been there before. Who had the "suck" tagline first...you or Bare Bones Software? haha - http://www.barebones.com/product...
- Mike Bracco
FYI: Leo will be live in one hour from now on TWiTLive - he will be talking to people at the conference then live blogging, so to speak.
- David Lloyd
By the way, the really "best" place to here on friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/apple-w... VentureBeat is doing live coverage and interacting with us right here!!!
- Robert Scoble
Cali Lewis said: See you all on Ustream at 10:00 AM Pacific for the WWDC live coverage! http://www.ustream.tv/channel...
- Simon Wicks
Leo!
- Lars Clausen
There's another room here on friendfeed too: http://friendfeed.com/wwdc2009
- Robert Scoble
I'd pay $5 for live stream too
- David Lloyd
Do us a favour rob, which ever room or thread takes off, please link from your account xx
- David Lloyd
Mark: the best things will probably be the Apple searches. I have a list of them here: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Anthony Ha did a nice job using FriendFeed to track the iPhone 3.0 preview event live, and that was before the redesign - http://friendfeed.com/iphone-... I'll have a window up for his WWDC coverage: http://friendfeed.com/apple-w...
- Ken Sheppardson
SCOBLE: Also check out http://almost.at/#wwdc
- Mike Bracco
Just heard on CNBC will be live blogging here at http://techcheck.cnbc.com
- Bill Hertzing
FriendFeed, although I plan on "pausing updates" ("doing something other than FriendFeed-ing") during that time & catching up on the interesting bits later.
- Wade Dorrell
here's another list of live coverages to follow: http://tumblr.com/xye1zfc8n not the complete one, but these are the sources that shouldn't go down.
- Konstantin
I'm tracking on http://almost.at/#wwdc and http://arstechnica.com/apple... but would love to see live video
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Can I just say that http://keynotetweets.com/live has an awful lot of white space on the home page? Shouldn't the tweets run along the main column instead of the left-hand column? Unless that going to be filled with other info's once the keynote starts?
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
engadget + crunchgear + friendfeed rooms i guess. here is a new source for *turkish* apple fans:http://friendfeed.com/wwdc09-...
- Goktug Gedik
Maybe I should keep my mouth shut so that the server doesn't get overloaded, but I'll be following here, I think: TheAppleBlog - http://theappleblog.com/live/
- Grey Drane
Consensus seems to be engadget. I will also be on friendfeed and gdgt.
- Shawn Snodgrass
argh! too many!! http://keynotetweets.com/ and engadget.com
- jomarhilario
Any good ways to listen (audio) to the keynote from my iPhone? I am going to be at the dentist:(
- Shawn Hickman
I wonder why Gdgt still hasn't launched its website almost a year after it was announced. Right now its just a podcast listing
- David Lloyd
Wow, the Apple Blog has a great iPhone interface for the live keynote http://theappleblog.com/live/
- Shawn Hickman
Endadget still doesn't have autoupdate?
- David Lloyd
Mark, I know it's bullshit
- Shawn Hickman
"Live coverage is now over" on gdgt.com ?!!
- Andrew Currie
Going with a source I trust: http://www.intomobile.com/2009...
- Andrew Currie
http://almost.at/#wwdc is my preferred event spotter but there's too much else to do, I can catch up on the key points in 10min later
- Mark Essel
Can you help teach a class in real time? Right now you are on the screen. Can you teach me everything about "leadership?" Help here:
Daniel Schildt, Jorge Barba, Johni Fisher and 79 other people liked this
Feel free to point to blogs, videos, or other things.
- Robert Scoble
Hello Y'all
- Kreg Steppe
Where do you want it, in the comments?
- Ton Zijp
www.whitehouse.org :)
- Stephanie Segel
hell NO.. too much noise !!
- Peter Dawson
Don't tell people how to do things, tell them what to do and let them surprise you with their results. -George S. Patton
- Ross Miller
Define Leadership: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Kreg Steppe
HBR : Ten Fatal Flaws That Derail Leaders http://hbr.harvardbusiness.org/2009...
- David Peacock
or would that be www.whitehouse.gov -- dammit :(
- Stephanie Segel
Leadership means taking risks, calculated or otherwise, and being willing to either fail or succeed, but to learn in any case. For many, social media's risky--and that's exactly why you may find leaders here.
- dontgetcaught
"I'm going to do something I never do; give a direct order." Captain Hawkeye Pierce, M*A*S*H
- Dan Messer
WIKIPEDIA about leadership ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Qbat
desmond tutu on leadership - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Netbooknews
Peter Drucker's books are a good go-to for a start...
- Helene
The Art of War (on Google Book Search): http://books.google.com/books...
- Josette Torres
If you have to say you're a leader, you probably aren't.
- Ladybug Heather
Ok so which thread do you want us in? Leadership means trusting the people who work for you to be good at what they do. And getting out of their way and letting them do it!
- Ken Camp
658.4092
- Dan Messer
Best leadership quotes: http://houseofquotes.com/quotes... Because saying something is more important than actually doing it ;)
- Carlton Prest
A leader is a dealer in hope. Napoleon Bonaparte
- Stephanie Segel
VIDEO - Seth Godin Explains Why You Need a Tribe -> http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Qbat
Leadership is practice what you belive in..courage to stand up in hard times.. and the will to make a difference !! ..
- Peter Dawson
Leaders know when to sit in the passenger seat and button the lip. Leaders empower others rather then themselves.
- Vincent Lowe
Ken: this thread. This is awesome.
- Robert Scoble
How long do you plan to run this class for? 10 years? Leadership is not taught, it's learnt.
- thomasrdotorg
thomasrdotorg: this thread goes forever. The physical class is for the next 50 minutes, though.
- Robert Scoble
Let the students run the class.
- Carlton Prest
A leader is someone who allows his people to do what they need to do, stay out of the way, protect them from interference and let them shine.
- Steve C
Carlton: you're running the class!!!!!
- Robert Scoble
I haven't had this much fun in a class since I skipped history classes in high school....
- Stephanie Segel
Great idea for a thread but the best I could do would be post a reading list... Leadership is such a deep subject... Siddhartha, 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership, How to Win Friends and Influence People, Fierce Conversations... it could go on forever.
- SAM
I remember someone from Pixar did a great speech on Leadership for TED not long ago. I can't seem to find the link.
- DocileWalnut
Napoleon Hill wrote that these are the major attributes required to be a successful leader 1. UNWAVERING COURAGE 2. SELF-CONTROL 3. A KEEN SENSE OF JUSTICE 4. DEFINITENESS OF DECISION 5. DEFINITENESS OF PLANS 6. THE HABIT OF DOING MORE THAN PAID FOR 7. A PLEASING PERSONALITY 8. SYMPATHY AND UNDERSTANDING 9. MASTERY OF DETAIL 10. WILLINGNESS TO ASSUME FULL RESPONSIBILITY 11. COOPERATION
- Dave Amphlett
Leadership: Don't fake it, people smell fear
- Dave Hodson
Listen and take good notes!
- Mark Layton
Being a leader is very different from being a manager.
- Ladybug Heather
Leadership also means trusting yourself. No wavering or waffling. A leader doesn't flip flop
- Ken Camp
Leadership is standing up for what you think is right, and leading the way in that effort
- Jesse Stay
open source leadershi p via joi ito :)- http://joi.ito.com/archive...
- Peter Dawson
A leader does not command respect or demand respect, he earns respect.
- Aron Michalski
"Leading Minds" by Howard Gardner: http://www.amazon.com/Leading...
- Fred Yankowski
Compassion.
- Kenley Neufeld
I can show it to you http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Lee
Larson, anything by Seth Godon is just brilliant
- Shawn Hickman
Leadership - when you post a question on friendfeed and hundreds reply in several minutes. For free. :D
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
I am trying to think of a way to tie the Darth Vader Corset featuring boobs into the leadership conversation.
- Steve C
This is real, real time - watching the number of comments from 0 to 41, 42..43 44 45
- Ashu Joshi
Join Toastmasters
- Prolific Programmer
Leadership is influence.
- SAM
http://www.amazon.com/gp... Good book. cheap too
- Manuel Arroyo
"A successful leader seeks and accepts responsibility and accountability"- http://www.scribd.com/doc...
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Leaders ask, listen, then decide...a lot like social media best practices. Maybe the technology's helping us catch up to where we should be. So let me ask: what do *you* think leadership is?
- dontgetcaught
on the Jack welsh style :)- http://peterdawson.blogspot.com/2007...
- Peter Dawson
Leadership lessons from Ulysses S. Grant
- Manuel Arroyo
good leaders listen and realize that good ideas can come from anywhere and anyone.
- Sara DelektaGalligan
The picture says a thousand words, but a caption helps: http://www.mos95b.com/New...
- Carlton Prest
teach people correct principles and let them govern themselves
- Jan Dawson
agree with Sara
- Manuel Arroyo
Be decisive
- Shakeel Mahate
Asking the right question at the right time and listening for the answer.
- Aron Michalski
To unleash creativity, sometimes you need to be ready to lead from behind
- Sameer
do not be afraid to make decisions
- Manuel Arroyo
Building a Dream: The Oprah Winfrey Leadership Academy: http://www.imdb.com/title...
- Ton Zijp
Leadership: doing something no one else does...showing the way. Showing the possibilities. Paying attention. Engaging, reciprocal conversations.
- Sheryl
Today I read a tweet in Dutch which translates to: "Power is not a good reason to lead: a good leader creates leaders, not followers".
- Patrick Mackaaij
"The Art and Science of Leadership:" http://www.nwlink.com/~doncla...
- Carlton Prest
A different way to learn about leadership is to read Memoirs of Hadrian, a novel by French writer Marguerite Yourcenar about the life and death of Roman Emperor Hadrian. http://www.amazon.com/Memoirs...
- Paul Rodriguez
Define a leader with Google Search: Just type this in the search field: define:leader
- Qbat
The Purpose of Pedegogy - http://elgg.net/vinall...
- Peter Dawson
And like Sheryl said. She said showing the way. I like lighting the way. Shine a light in the dark scary cavern, then lead your team into the dark and out the other side. Lead by risk, by example, by doing.
- Ken Camp
Hello class: “A leader is one who knows the way, goes the way, and shows the way.” Ohh, and you should bare in mind - Popularity is not leadership.
- Nir Ben Yona
Henry Ford once said "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said 'A faster horse'." So try something dumb or unexpected at least once in a while.
- DocileWalnut
Best book I've read on leadership: http://www.amazon.com/Leaders...
- Tim Costantino
Robert, are you putting this up on Kyte?
- Manuel Arroyo
A good team makes a good leader. Without a good team leadership is nothing but herding cats.
- Dilip Dand
Leadership = Responsibility.
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
Hi Class. I taught a few leadership classes at U of Arizona
- Jeff
Learn from the mistakes of others, what you should not do as a leader - you cannot be partial to some, or have favorites, you cannot intimidate, you cannot lie
- Shakeel Mahate
I disagree with the "waffling" comment. A good leader continues to consider new points of view and isn't afraid to say, "I've reconsidered."
- Vincent Lowe
"A very generic concept of leadership is that of directly or indirectly influencing others, by means of authority, formal or informal, or by personal attributes, to act in accordance with one's intent or shared purpose" - same ref as my last
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
The Manager's Cheat Sheet: 101 Common-Sense Rules for Leadershttp://www.insidecrm.com/feature...
- Ton Zijp
Leadership: Having the best BS detector in the room. Even if the room is expanding and expanding... like this one...
- Mark Zip
"If you're dumb, surround yourself with smart people. If you're smart, surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you." Issac Jaffe on SportsNight
- Andy Roth
If you aren't the lead sled dog, the scenery never changes!
- Jim Tierney
according to Carol Bartz of Yahoo, it involves "███████ drop-kicking people's █████ to ███████ Mars"
- Karim
"A leader takes people where they want to go. A great leader takes people where they don't necessarily want to go, but ought to be." -Rosalynn Carter
- Leanno Software
oh I 4got to like this thought tapestry.. this is actuall open source cull point.. Scobles is da man !! :)-
- Peter Dawson
Sorry, I'm not doing video, didn't have a video compatible ccomputer.
- Robert Scoble
Leadership is Michael Arrington whining about the lack of a decent tablet device. Then making his own, and making it look really fantastic.
- Carlton Prest
How does a company get Leaders in management positions? and why doesn't it happen more often?
- Steve C
Monday Morning Leadership was also a decent book http://www.amazon.com/Monday-...
- Manuel Arroyo
@Sasha it's more ... Leadership = seeking out and accepting Responsibility
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Leadership is the art of getting someone else to do something you want done because he wants to do it. - Dwight D.Eisenhower
- Eric Logan
Recognize your own support organization. Leaders are made by the teams that they lead. And borkien by failing to acknowledge that. Never forget that you are the leader "for now". It's not an appointment forever.
- Ken Camp
To lead you have to fight the urge to run when things are scary. If they're scary, that's exactly what you need to do. You grow by trying new things. Complacency achieves nothing.
- Sheryl
Listen voraciously, speak cautiously, invest in others before asking for something in return, don't assume influence - build it, maintain vision, back it with understanding and knowledge, and continually focus on being the best most creative and humble person you can be. Then try to get others to do it all with you.
- SAM
Here http://bit.ly/IRqOk - real time "leadership" on the net :)
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
at this 2:38am all I can say, what my teacher once told me, take the responsibilities and don't be afraid of them, help people by showing the right way of doing things
- Hameedullah Khan
In case we're in a techy mood, Steve Jobs once said that "“Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower.”
- Nir Ben Yona
When you scream, tell, me to do something be sure you tell me exactly what to do or you may find you get what you asked for. rough paraphrase of Neil Young (as heard on PBS earlier today)
- Angela E. Taylor
One thing I will say is people use the word leadership when they should be using the word management. It is more than a skill set it is a developmental process.
- Jeff
@Capn' One-Eye ☠ - agree :) Btw, this is better than http://www.ask500people.com/!
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
Leadership and management are NOT the same. Large companies have far more leaders who are not managers.
- Ken Camp
well said @Hameedullah Khan
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
@Carlton , wth was that about leadership and Mike A ? thats Total BS !!
- Peter Dawson
management can be taught, leadership cannot.
- Sherri
Leadership is knowing your team, their passions, and treating every employee, customer, partner with the respect and dignity they deserve as human beings, regardless of their position, status, tenure, success and failure. Leadership is being able to admit when you're wrong and accepting the consequences.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Just read 'The Prince' leaders are defined by their victories; even companies its the same; once they win in a major market its hard to move to a new style of victory.
- James Watters
@Sherri - leadership can be cultivated.
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
If your looking for bullet points the John Wooden Leadership Pyramid is a pretty good place to start: http://www.entrepreneur.com/managem...
- Bill Rawlinson
@Peter, the man wanted a decent tablet device. Instead of whining about it constantly, he decided to make his own. It's called initiative, and all good leaders have it.
- Carlton Prest
@Sasha - agreed!
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Great Leadership doesn't boast. It doesn't need to. It's almost palpable.
- Sheryl
@Capn' One-Eye - yes, but only if the seeds are there.
- Sherri
Leadership theories in MS-Word format http://www.snc.edu/lsi...
- LPH™ and his dog P™
+10 Sheryl!
- Ken Camp
@Sherri - yes that's true
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
hey scoble! thanks for using social media to change the world!
- Jason Pollock
Top 100 Leadership Blogs http://www.bestuniversities.com/blog...
- Eric Logan
To Sheryl's point, if you have to ask who the leader is, there isn't one.
- Ken Camp
I believe Leadership can be learned, by observing a good leader. I think this counts as leadership can be taught to those willing to learn.
- Steve C
Are the people at this conference impressed with your social media prowess yet? i hope so!
- Jason Pollock
An answer I posted on StackOverflow about leadership in tech - before I had an account - http://stackoverflow.com/questio...
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
I seen on a t-shirt that said "if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes"
- Jason
Leadership comes from people who have a clear vision of what they want and then they go out and get it.
- Jason Pollock
+1 sheryl
- mehdi
As a starting point I'd want my class to read and try to appreciate Machiavelli's "The Prince" within the context in which he lived: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Rick Bucich
Leadership comes from the dude with the biggest camera lens.
- Jason Pollock
A leader does not have to ask to be followed. A leader is one who people want to follow.
- Dilip Dand
@ Rick Bucich; The Prince is just about all you need to understand about leadership
- James Watters
http://psychology.about.com/library... helps to identify "your" leadership style
- Nicholas James
hey nobody brought up knowledge at Wharton - series :)- http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/categor...
- Peter Dawson
Leadership is a cloudy concept because people confuse the art of being followed, with the art of directing followers well.
- James Watters
And leadership is similar to Fonzie teaching Richie Cunningham how to face down a bully. You have to have actually hit one at some point. Leaders are NOT afraid to step on toes. They don't walk on eggshells.
- Ken Camp
Leadership Rocks: http://www.shop.slustore.com/images...
- Ton Zijp
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Lead Follow or get out of the way!
- DivemasterDoug
My answer on StackOverflow is the green one ;)
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Woodrow Wilson said: The ear of the leader must ring with the voices of the people. - In other words, in order to lead you must pay attention to those around you.
- Sheryl
leadership comes from people who take a chance when everyone else thinks they are crazy.. like the characters of my new feature film.. The Youngest Candidate, http://theyoungestcandidate.com
- Jason Pollock
http://www.nwlink.com/~Doncla... is you want to throw in a bit a business studies theories
- Nicholas James
best read of middle eastern leadership :)- Dubai Media Deputy CEO Najla Al-Awadhi: Empowering Others through Information
- Peter Dawson
The ability to move and direct people to a certain destination.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
Leaders don't just post links or quotes
- James Watters
oppyss heres the linky for my previous comment http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article...
- Peter Dawson
Leaders don't need social networks either, James...
- Ton Zijp
@ Peter Dawson; don't you think empowerment is slightly separate from leadership?
- James Watters
Ton: Zuckerberg is a leader...he needs Facebook ;)
- Nicholas James
Leaders may not need social networks, but they use any tool available as a weapon to win.
- Ken Camp
I believe everyone is a leader to some degree... it's not a definition but an innate part of being human and being involved in society. Like a sense of humor... everyone has one, even if you can't detect it from the jokes you're telling.
- SAM
@James, no its part of being a leader. empowering others !
- Peter Dawson
This exercise has proven a rare breed of leadership - realizing when those around can add incredible value and letting them take center stage. This is a very tough lesson for most leaders to master, but it's illustrated quite well here!
- Tom Parnell
Nicholas, Zuckerberg needs money to be a leader. ;-)
- Ton Zijp
Leaders don't waste time being critical of others. It's to their benefit to raise their groups morale, not pull it down.
- Sheryl
General Petraeus at Harvard ROTC comissioning: "“1st, lead by example. If you lean forward in the foxhole, your troopers will too.”" http://www.julescrittenden.com/2009...
- Charles Fenwick
A leader who empowers others will never say it in those words. Thatn's a manager delegating power's phrase, not a leader's words.
- Ken Camp
@Ton; I'm not the leader in this case, scoble is, I'm just in the rank and file
- James Watters
Interesting, the student is very silent. Is he listening or has ADD :)
- Dilip Dand
Mental toughness. No one can lead without being criticized or without facing discouragement.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
A leader listens
- Michele Lorito-Chase
Robert, are the students commenting also btw?
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
@James, most leader empower their team and then get the hell out of way so the team can run the race. they (the leader) are there only to remove the hurdles.. most CEO are chief Hurdle removers !!
- Peter Dawson
A truly great Leader can lead with his mouth shut.
- Sheryl
+1 Peter. Good point. Remove obstacles.
- Ken Camp
Ton: Facebook isn't profitable yet ;)
- Nicholas James
people browser is awesome
- rich price
I maintain that leadership is just the art of being followed; management is what comes after
- James Watters
Scoble, you mind if I sell this thread to Franklin Covey or John Maxwell?
- SAM
Nicholas: so Zuckerberg is not a leader yet, one could say.
- Ton Zijp
A leader gives credit when contributions are made, understanding that perceptions vary among the collective intelligence.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
We are here posting for Scoble because he was one of the first big victors in corporate blogging; case in point; we arent posting for a also ran; being followed stems from victories and conquests always has
- James Watters
@Scott, only if you give the $$$ to the SickKids foundation :)- LOL
- Peter Dawson
Ton: He's the CEO of Facebook of course he is a leader - he's a leader to his employees
- Nicholas James
Interesting that so many people are posting "traits" of a leader - only one portion of leadership.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Michele, there were lots of leaders who didn't listen, but they still lead. They should've, but they didn't.
- Ton Zijp
Some Good Leadership blogs: http://www.leadershipnow.com/leading... and http://stevefarber.com/ and http://www.leadershipturn.com/ and http://www.jimestill.com/
- Nicholas James
@LPH - hey yeah traits are better, after all Hitler was a leader too !! let not forget that .. likewise Pol Pot, Stalin and a host of others.. there is the dark side of leadership too !
- Peter Dawson
Leadership is about being genuine, and enabling others to achieve their full potential with your guidance. It's the capability to deliver and achieve while compelling others to do so as well.
- Louis Gray
@ Louis Gray; -1 squishy
- James Watters
Louis - Agree. Authenticity is a huge part of leadership.
- Ken Camp
++1 Louis Gray !
- Peter Dawson
Nicholas: but maybe Zuckerberg is being lead too (not that I totally agree with what I'm saying myself, but I like questions ;-)).
- Ton Zijp
A genuine person without a victory will not be followed
- James Watters
Also good leaders utilize all the different types of leadership styles depending upon the situation.
- Nicholas James
Peter - yes - I was meaning traits is only one theory about leaders. Followers are just as important - as are circumstances - as are so many other factors.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Ton, you are correct. Bad leadership desires a thread of it's own.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
Leadership is optimistic! :)
- Sheryl
Great leaders need to adapt and change based upon the objectives, needs of group members, and situational factors.
- Nicholas James
http://www.leadershipjot.com/ - Thoughts, suggestions, and tips to improve leadership.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Leadership is listening to all the input from your advisors, then throwing out the crap and not kowtowing to curry favor with your own people too.
- Ken Camp
http://www.siliconangle.com/ver2... post responding to gap between social and business leadership traits
- James Watters
apparently leadership = speaking in cliché’s
- Jeff
The Leadership Challenge from Jim Kouzes and Barry Posner (suggesting leadership is a learned behavior) http://www.leadershipchallenge.com/WileyCD...
- LPH™ and his dog P™
@Jeff +10
- James Watters
Jeff: talking about leadership is talking in cliché's?
- Ton Zijp
don't be a turd. Bosses are normally turds. Leaders are people that lead first by doing and teach you how to do it the right way without being overbearing or conceded.
- Zach Scott
When wolves fight for pack leader they don't fight to the death or great injury; just till the moment they know who would win
- James Watters
A leader also needs to inspire the team and motivate them to fulfil the tasks required
- Nicholas James
It's worth noting (if it hasn't been already) that great leadership involves setbacks almost by necessity. It's how those loses are learned from and adapted that differentiate how well individuals move forward.
- Rick Bucich
Leadership is not about directing followers, rather it's about influence; acting in a way that others find useful, interesting and engaging.
- Marcia Conner
@ Marcia +1 distinguishing between influence and management; thank you!
- James Watters
The best leaders I've seen are wise enough to surround themselves with very smart people. Smarter than the leader in many cases.
- Kevin C. Tofel
If the students aren't interacting, this is like listening to 300 lecturers at once.
- Bruce Lewis
+ Bruce
- Todd Hoff
Did I miss someone posting about transactional leadership? People are motivated by reward and punishment.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
@ Bruce; yes and since no one can clearly win for best lecture there is no leader
- James Watters
Kevin - Agreed, but that doesn't imply a leader should always blindly listen to them.
- Ken Camp
LPH: Depends if they are Theory X or Theory Y workers.
- Nicholas James
Theory X - only concerned by financial incentives. Theory Y - concerned with being praise and recognition. They need different leadership styles accordingly.
- Nicholas James
Robert: I feel like a guinea pig. What are you teaching the students about this? :)
- Sheryl
Nicholas: Yes - McGregor's ideas -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Sheryl; I believe his hope was more about the human search and link engine than our personal thoughts
- James Watters
Sheryl: He's REALLY teaching them how knowledgeable the FriendFeed users are ;)
- Nicholas James
Thus, they'll join FriendFeed when they get home tonight incase its banned at their school ;)
- Nicholas James
did i make it to the screen
- rich price
I'm spent. l8tr
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
In a healthy environment motivation comes from within (not reward/punishment). We need people who think & act, not retrieve & salivate.
- Marcia Conner
Don't be afraid to make mistakes... or own up to them.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
[adjusts monocle] ja, ja, but reward & punishment in ein hierarchy is der basis of der Führerprinzip ("leader principle"). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... a TRUE LEADER demands ABSOLUTE OBEDIENCE from those below him. you Amerikaners are so soft.... [swats riding crop into palm]
- Karim
Well, one thing you could teach is that geeks have a short attention span. Over half an hour and we move on....
- Sheryl
Karim - Are you channeling Werner Klemperer? It sounds like Col. Klink is in the house. lol
- Ken Camp
glad @marciamarcia pointed me to this. when I've led, I've followed 2 principles: 1) Shunryu Suzuki's principle of control: the best way to control a person is not to try to control, but to watch, and give them lots of space and 2) peer pressure. a person follows me as a leader because the group wants to and the person wants the acceptance of the group
- Lou Clark
lol Ken http://www.angelfire.com/pa...
- Karim
way 2 go, robert!
- Adri Munier
Leading without being in charge: http://www.slideshare.net/selenam...
- Michael R. Bernstein
Many of these comments are about a top down leadership style. Leaders are not only at the top they are throughout the entire organization. If you are going to study leadership read about real leadership theories, not the 7 things, or the 10 principals of what ever. I recommend the leaders companion by Wren. Great complication of Leadership authors.
- Jeff
Jeff, do the principles that effect good leadership change when you're doing it from the head of the pack as opposed to within?
- SAM
Kouzes & Posner are the best foundation ever. 5 practices - their pentathlon: inspire, challenge, model, encourage, enable. Can't beat 'em. www.theleadershipchallenge.com
- Dan Mulhern
I think as a leader you are always growing and changing. As you move up your skills will continue to develop and get better.
- Jeff
What is the purpose of the class - why do you want to learn everything about leadership? Is it to improve the participants leadership skills or just to tickle their curiosity? If you really want your class to improve their abilities to lead, you need to put them in a position where they do lead. People learn from what they do. So go ahead and give each participant (or group of participants) a challenge: lead us out of this crisis!
- Olavur Ellefsen
Jeff: +1 you make a great point. A person does not have to be a top dog, so to speak, to be a leader. Leaders come in all shapes and sizes. (Statuses too)
- Sheryl
WOW. The class was blown away by seeing this happen in real time. THANK YOU!!!!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: How many in the class already use FF?
- Sheryl
Sheryl: only a couple.
- Robert Scoble
I would love to stay here longer, but I have a presentation in 20 min. Sorry If I did not respond to any comments. Robert, I hope the class had fun!
- Jeff
are you looking to train a new leader or just come up with metrics for identification, Mr Scoble?
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Robert: And how many will be on FF tomorrow? Show of hands?
- Ken Camp
Robert: WOW! That's amazing! We can still teach those young whippersnappers a thing or two! WOOHOO! :)
- Sheryl
And was there somebody to film them being blown away? :-)
- Ton Zijp
What an amazing accumulation of thoughts and links to pursue. Thanks for mentioning it on Twitter.
- Violet Bliss Dietz
Never try to lead people. It doesn't work. Better off building and guiding a team. If you can organize a team that works well together, you'll spend less time trying to hold the team together and more of your energy guiding them and being productive. Treat every team member with respect. If you don't listen to them, they will not listen to you. Keep your ego and temper in check. It...
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- April Russo (app103)
Leader listens to everyone but when he/she speaks everyone listens.
- ashish
Leadership & personal development often go together. I'm inspired by @BrianKlemmer & http://klemmer.com. Repetition & Experience are best ways to remember & learn. Leadership is a choice and an ongoing way of life.
- Courtney Engle
Leaders who inspire me have the knowledge: "If I can see further than anyone else, it is only because I am standing on the shoulders of giants" Newton, etc. do not pop up in blogs much, but it seems the game changers know exactly who to thank.
- E-Advocate Network
Stupid is as stupid does.
- sime0n
What Only the CEO Can Do A,G. Lafley http://hbr.harvardbusiness.org/2009...
- Jorge Barba
“Leaders are visionaries with a poorly developed sense of fear and no concept of the odds against them.”
- Jorge Barba
Gary Hamel: How to Tell If You're a Natural Leader http://blogs.wsj.com/managem...
- Jorge Barba
I'm sure this is mostly finished by now. However, I thought I'd add that the Horatio Hornblower novel series, by C.S. Forester is a wonderful lesson in leadership. I believe that the series is required reading at at least one of the US's military academies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Trevor Carpenter
Scoble in the shower
Jesse Stay, HealingBrush, Rohit Harshvardhan and 66 other people liked this
awe for the love of....
- jeneane sessum
Do. Not. Want.
- Mistletoe Glen
.... uh...
- Johnny Worthington
HAAAAAAaaaaahhahahahahaha!!! This and the drinking pic NEED to be paired together!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
For the love of ... oh, man. Now I have to go wash my eyes out! :)
- Tim Hoeck
My eyes are burning!!!
- Jeff
Why? Why would you do such a thing to the friendfeedosphere...it now looks all warped and raggedy.
- Alex Scoble
do...not...want...
- Helen Sventitsky
OHHHHHH MY EYES!!!!! *LOL*
- Molly, "sorry"
Reboot.
- Russellreno
HIDE!!!!!!
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
Seeming a little needy, maybe?
- Oldengrey (Jay)
what the frick!? This is why sometimes social networking is just TOO MUCH sharing.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
oh no, I'm scarred for life! the horror!!
- imabonehead
OMG!! Happy wet drunk! Ok so what will be the "story"?! And how did you go from Fenway to Cab to Shower!! LOL
- Susan Beebe
Thankfully, blessedly, tame. *brain crashes anyway*
- Mo Kargas
At least he's clothed sitting next to me now!
- David Recordon
now you have gone to far, Robert. ^^
- ※Fu※
Oh, weren't you bitching about FF stupid posts not making you smarter last week? Well, here ya go. No more bitching. We get to talk about bacon again.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
new Meme?
- anna sauce
Clay Shirkey: the problem is a failure of filters. Indeed. ;-)
- Sprague D
*cough* TMI *cough cough*
- Steve Isaacs
TMI!
- Fa La La La Lindsay
What on earth. I swore shower was some kind of metaphor - why is this taking place?
- Shawn Farner
Wha???
- Mike Doeff
anna - yes! we need shower pics of everyone! LOL
- Susan Beebe
uhhhhh okay
- Alisha
MY EYES!!! @_@ Meme?!? Just a sec...
- Ron
Bacon :-)
- Robert Scoble
well we know what tomorrow's caption contest will be on Valleywag :-)
- Duncan Riley
Yeah, I don't care how many people take pictures of themselves in the shower, I'm not gonna join in that memefest. No thank you. Besides you've already seen my brother in the shower...Remove some weight, adjust the nose a bit and you've got me too...ugh...that's just so wrong.
- Alex Scoble
Nooooooooooooo!
- WorldofHiglet
I don't even want to know.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
from fftogo
Wait, a shower meme? Oh, ain't no WAY ya'll are getting a picture of me in the shower. EF NO!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
"I'm a PC!"
- imabonehead
Wow. lol
- Jennifer Leggio
Tina: Why not? It will be fun. lol :D
- Ron
Hilarious!
- Chris Luckhardt
My eyes!!! TMI
- Paul W. Swansen
scoble bullying the irish spring
- Cee Bee
Whiskey tango foxtrot, Oscar?
- Susan A. Kitchens
someone get this man a hairdryer NOW!
- thomasrdotorg
from twhirl
Tina: I hope they don't do a shower meme. I'm not going to take a picture of myself in the shower, no matter how drunk you get me. *lol*
- Molly, "sorry"
Is this your entry for the bitch face meme? It's a very disappointingly happy bitch face.
- Pete Delucchi
Why do you hate America?
- Jason Carreira
For the love of God, PLEEZ don't drop the soap.
- Dawn
I've been Scobelized. And I'll never be the same.
- ComicList
Shower blogging is barely one half step above bowel movement blogging.
- Rob Sterling
DISlike! DISlike!
- Joel Bennett
Scoble for VP!!!
- Sean Kelly
why you do me like this Scoble?
- James Neal
*hide*
- xero
Click on "best" and you will see all. Oh my!!!
- Robert Scoble
TMF. Too much flesh :)
- Jonathon
eww no FFing in the shower.
- rob friedman
Hide
- Grant
It's times like these that make me wish real life had a undo button. :)
- Grant Bierman
hahaha! wow Bob.
- Ryan
rough morning, first my head screams and now this!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
way too much information
- Kim Landwehr
I like it - extending to a new audience. You know where the real hits on the Internet lie. Marketing genius.
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
from twhirl
can't I have my morning coffee first?sheesh.
- You.
Really Naked Conversations
- Brendan Cooper
from twhirl
With all that flyin' around, Twittering, and Friendfeeding, he's gotta need 3 or 4 showers a day. The question is ..... Which soap is he plugging ? :)
- Charlie Anzman
I hope it's lever 2000 messing with Valleywag :)
- Anthony Farrior
Here's the link to the Valleywag site with this photo! ha, ha! http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Susan Beebe
Way too much information!!
- Alex Hammer
I knew I started the topless meme eight months ago.
- Robert Scoble
Just with a bit of a time delay.
- Chrimmus Tad
You're forever the innovator!
- jcunwired
topless meme!!
- anna sauce
Eww. Where's the "don't like" link? ;-)
- Brent Logan
I always thought Robert was more a bath man. I stand corrected.
- Derrick
Gah! How did this pop up again?
- WorldofHiglet
GIGGITY GIGGITY.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Man I didn't need to think of that . gag!
- Allan Bunt
The one time I want the BSOD.
- Danny Minick
we all such idiots :-)
- N.G. Gordon - RadarSync
aahaha.
- Gökmen Karasu
please dont let there be a sequel to this...
- carol alvarez
This picture when viral.
- Keven
For When It's Cold: Sleeping Bag Coats - http://www.geekologie.com/2009...
I need one of these. For Rachel that is.
- thomasrdotorg
Trying Out Facebook Connect - Facebook Developers Wiki - http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index...
I'm going to get this on my new site
- thomasrdotorg
Sports manager Ricky Nixon left scene after tram crash: report | theage.com.au - http://www.theage.com.au/nationa...
Nixon is expected to be charged over leaving the scene of an accident and drink driving.
- thomasrdotorg
FSTREAM update 1.01 (internet radio) - iPhone - http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-r...
Streamable radio stations
- thomasrdotorg
Ford asks US web network to test new Fiesta » Australian Car Advice | News Blog - http://www.caradvice.com.au/23415...
A really interesting move by Ford
- thomasrdotorg
GM to receive $4 billion in aid » Australian Car Advice | News Blog - http://www.caradvice.com.au/23023...
for the podcast
- thomasrdotorg
Wow. Since NBC does not broadcast over the air to San Francisco, I guess we won't be watching the Super Bowl this year.
Molly, "sorry", Jeff P. Henderson, Michelle Martinez and 5 other people liked this
I didn't know that. Why would NBC do such a thing when SF has a huge, diverse population?
- imabonehead
What about channel 11? I'm watching over the air in Berkeley.
- Dave Winer
There are hills between us and the San Bruno tower transmitting NBC. No signal. We get every other channel from the Sutro tower.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, you may want to try the online via Ustream. Check out this link for more info: http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009...
- imabonehead
Sigh. My 1080p 50" plasma screen is weeping. As are the nachos.
- DeWitt Clinton
Here's an online one that works: http://atdhe.net/live-tv...
- imabonehead
Hey, that's working. Thanks!
- DeWitt Clinton
San Bruno Mountain is not line of sight to many parts of San Francisco. (In response to a comment that was since deleted...)
- DeWitt Clinton
is there an online radio station I can listen to from Australia? We have a player... a punter...
- thomasrdotorg
from twhirl
@thomasrdotorg - is the video stream too heavyweight?
- DeWitt Clinton
Is there an NBC affiliate in SJ? I'm in MTV and haven't been able to get NBC over the air
- Roshan Vyas
Wow
- Susan Beebe
I get 11.1 for NBC but still can't get 7.1 ABC and Sutro tower is in clear sight less than 3/4 mile away. It happens. Hope u get it sorted out
- Jim Goldstein
Thanks for posting the live TV link imabonehead. It's soooo awesome. The quality rocks.
- Molly, "sorry"
Jessica Simpson: Fat or Healthy - http://www.inquisitr.com/16518...
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Nicholas James, Ron, Jeff P. Henderson and 8 other people liked this
Fatter than a typical starlet, but thinner than an average American; verdict: real person normal.
- susan mernit
Healthy.
- Alex Scoble
less ham, more chicken/tuna ... maybe even fish.
- thomasrdotorg
High waist jeans have that affect but i think the new nose was a bad idea moreso than the outfit.
- Patricia
gggrrrrr!!!! healthy! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Just heard them call her a full figure gal on the news..crazy! She's healthy and she looks great:)
- Brodie Beta
from twhirl
In my eyes as a European there's a little more than there needs to be.
- Richard A.
need to get ya eyes testng richard
- Rob Sellen :o)
What Patricia said - high waisted jeans are flattering on NO ONE.
- cecily
Maybe she's playing Anna Nicole Smith in an as yet unreleased project?
- cecily
The media certainly doesn't get to decide. Looks fine to me.
- Phil Boiarski
I don't think the outfit helps
- Duncan Riley
Yeah. Really, her weight is fine. She's healthy. Just poorly dressed for that body shape. You know what? I don't care. Looks pretty.
- Chris Baskind
she looks like the average American woman, but her size is less the issue than that the extra weight is all, shall we say, fluff - she could benefit from hitting the gym, mostly for her health - and, as Patricia noted, what the hell happened to her nose?
- William Harryman
In that picture? She is fat. I know, I know... it's not PC to be honest about stuff like that. She has looked much better.
- Soulhuntre
Fat????? its people like you soulhunter who make ladies who look great feel insecure.... sorry, being honest, am I being a bit un PC... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Not a body - nor a fashion sense - that I personally find attractive. And, William says: "looks like the average American woman." So, that's a vote for "fat", right?
- Anthony Citrano
@Anthony - indeed, and since when did "average" define beauty? Humans are driven to find the exceptional examples of many markers - not the average ones. "Oh, she's so average! I want her!" is not somehtign you hear too often :)
- Soulhuntre
@Rob - if someone is goign to feel insecure because I think they look fat, they had serious security issues to start with. They look how they look, and that looks either does or does not fit in with the preferences of myself and others. How they will feel about that reality simply doesn't change it.
- Soulhuntre
Absolutely, Soul, you have hit the proverbial nail on the head. Averageness has never been my barometer for what's attractive.
- Anthony Citrano
Yeah, she's getting chunky - other photos show it as well - http://bit.ly/VsXk
- Soulhuntre
I don't know a lot of women (or men frankly) who are secure with how they look...you calling a woman fat, who's obviously not fat, doesn't help that.
- Alex Scoble
@Alex - we clearly disagree on what constitutes fat. Life is like that... but we were asked for an opinion in this thread :)
- Soulhuntre
Where did all the fat acceptance militants go? Duncan: next time you'll need to do better with the bait, I guess. ;)
- Anthony Citrano
Sometimes, Anthony it's best to just let people hang by their own rope.
- Alex Scoble
The guy behind her looks WAY perverted
- Outsanity
healthy
- Shevonne
Outsanity, true to some extent, although honestly the headline is honest to the call: she's not really fat as in obese, and yet on the hollywood standard, different picture.
- Duncan Riley
Healthy!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Well, I say she's being normal. She looks good that way to me
- Outsanity
Growing into the chest?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
HEALTHY
- Melissa Maskevich
or preggo? begin dramatic music here, must exclude simpson music
- adolfo foronda
@adolfo she has huge jugs. Don't think she is
- Shevonne
wow !!! how they can become as fat as an elephant then by going on diet they become as thin as a snake !!!!????
- Viva Vida
Why does it look like she's braless in the photo? lol
- Outsanity
Note to everyone who DM or @... @duncanriley_ is not me, contacting Twitter now about it. thx for letting me know.
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Duncan- I know it wasn't you - Giveaway: follow & then, no longer follow.
- Pilgrim Five
also seems to have been targeted to after I went to bed for the night as well... woke up at 3:45 for the Inauguration and there was a ton of messages about it that weren't there earlier.
- Duncan Riley
I think I like fake duncan more than the real one. Sorry.
- thomasrdotorg
from twhirl
Mark Mayhew? He did the fake Mari Smith and several other fake accounts.
- Jesse Stay
We've started covering sport, not in a big way, just interesting stuff, gossip, big news that sort of thing. Wondering if anyone has any suggestions about things we should cover; if you were looking for sports gossip, what would you like to read?
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From a global perspective, I always like Olympic scuttlebutt
- Hutch Carpenter
drugs...sport...definitely Hutch. Cycling also has some interesting news
- Duncan Riley
need some motorsport? Though it's been decimated byt THAT THING. Maybe that's the article right there?!
- thomasrdotorg
from twhirl
Cycling overall is always good for scuttlebutt. Big egos. Crashes. Internal power struggles. Drugs. You can also hit on the gear - bike frames are pretty cool ... or is that just me?
- AJ Kohn
If you are seriously looking for current "hot" events, the Dwayne Wade divorce is getting real messy. That would be interesting. The Eddie Curry saga is also interesting ... a hidden story is the Guard from the Philly Eagles (Shaun Andrews) who is Andy Reid's son in law (I think) is suffering from some type of depression. Something isn't 100% right there.
- Amani
So without starting a snarkfest, do you mean actually covering it or just linking to news from somewhere else?
- Louis Gray
what do you mean without startinga snarkfest?? where's the fun in that :)
- Steven Hodson
Alright Steven, you and me in a password-protected IM-fed room. 1 on 1...
- Louis Gray
This may sound silly, but perhaps some cricket coverage. I have absolutely no understanding of the sport, and all that I ever see here in the U.S. is highlights - and you can't understand a sport by watching its highlights. And no, I'm not going to pay to watch cricket on pay per view. Seriously, I don't know how others feel, but the Inquisitr should take advantage of its worldwide outreach and show some sports that us ugly Americans don't usually encounter.
- Ontario Emperor
HOOOOOCKKKKEEYYYYY
- Colby Olson
Cricket coverage isn't silly, it should be the #1 sport covered!
- Glenn Slaven
Amani, Dwayne was on my short list today, just ran out of time. Talk about juicy :-) Glenn, only the American traffic pays, besides, having worked in the cricket industry, I'm way too nasty in that direction ;-) Louis: a bit of both: obviously I can't source primary in the subject (I can in lots of others...movies even, believe it or not, they've pitched us for 6 mths), but certainly a take on the interesting stuff.
- Duncan Riley
San Jose Sharks & Claude Lemieux is creating some controversy in hockey land.
- Jennifer Leggio
Football aka. Soccer.
- Nicholas James
Maybe make a sports gossip room here and see what we can contribute when we find new stuff. Another one that comes to mind is what went down in Tampa Bay over Jon Gruden's firing. Something isn't right there. Also, the mess up at BC college football. Fishy stuff going on there.
- Amani
Amen NJ!
- Live4Emma (L4S)
NJ, possible, there's been a couple of transfer/ model/ gossip type stories on the radar recently. We'll never do every result, but it's the back story, and football is good for that
- Duncan Riley
Definitely cycling. With Lance back, it will be in the spotlight through summer.
- Chris Baskind
Excellent. I lost 600 followers today. I hope they all followed someone who'll make them happier.
Bill Sanders, Patrick Moorhead, Mathew™ one of a kind and 25 other people liked this
You lost them for liking Garth Brooks?
- Rob Haas
They were probably not the type of followers worth hanging on to.
- Michael McGimpsey
from twhirl
Thats a lot ... 10000% more than my followers. Heehee.
- Lasker
I'll bet you feel ten pounds lighter.
- Mike Doeff
sounds like a Twitter spam purge, it's awfully high for manual removal
- Duncan Riley
Lost followers for 'twitter-rrhrea' and insisting everyone's stupid.
- Will Higgins™
I'm still here. :)
- Josh Haley
Happy Birthday, Robert! :D
- WorldofHiglet
Maybe you lost 600 spammers! :)
- philos
Will: I only called a few select people stupid. Like @karikari
- Robert Scoble
Even you only piss them off that much by the dozens Robert! ;) Those spammer purges seem to go in batches of 300. Then again, who knows - maybe you were being followed by 600 special snowflakes of the 'fragile ego' variety. ;)
- Lucretia Pruitt
Don't worry, they will see the Real World and turn back to you:)
- Serbay Arda Ayzit
Haha
- Rodfather
I can't remember the name of the app, but it listed the top twitter users and how may people they added or lost for the day. Just about everyone with more than 12,000 followers had huge daily fluctuations in followers. Anyway, Hope you had a great birthday:-)
- Michael Fidler
Um? How'd you know you lost 600 followers? Sry if that's a stupid question. I honestly don't know how you'd find that out *blushes*
- Nathalie
Nathalie: go to http://www.twitter.com and sign in. It shows you how many followers you have right on the home page. This morning I had 49,940. Now 49,300 or so.
- Robert Scoble
i think it was 600 spammers or hangers on who were trying to get more followers boosting thier twinfluence
- Damian Holmes
I thought it was illegal to not follow you on Twitter? :)
- Charlie Anzman
from your diss of twitter in favour of friendfeed, they just listened to your orders sir and migrated: that's the power you hold over us ~ the most influential man on the internet or le web And yes ~ you tweet too much
- sofarsoShawn
I've unfollowed you on Twitter today, but here's why: if someone's on both FF and Twitter, I'll use FF. It's better (to me). Following in both places creates noise. I don't care for the UI on Twitter; Twitter clients (iPhone/iPod Touch particularly) don't show enough history to catch up. I read FF through GReader, and that gets all the posts I missed. So, in my case, an unfollow is a re-org, not a loss.
- Will King
For someone who doesn't care about numbers, you talk about numbers an awful lot ...
- Joel Bennett
from twhirl
Joel, he cares about numbers, don't let him fool you :)
- Bwana ☠
I probably lost a bunch of followers because I tweeted so much during the NFL championship games, but overall, I probably gained more than I lost. I'm just being myself, and people will follow if they want.
- Bwana ☠
Flippity: That's exactly what I thought when I saw this post!
- Holger Eilhard
still lurking...carry on....
- Wallace
Robert, are you following your followers count daily?
- Amit Morson
I was one - from twitter, because I spend most of my time here anyway and still get your messages. When I log into twitter and have to go three pages deep for anyone else's messages, its time to reevaluate :)
- jcunwired
It's not you. it's them ;-) .. actually that is the problem with Twitter, you have friends as long as you don't talk too much. (thank god you can do everything here instead)
- Orli Yakuel
to lose one follower is unfortunate, to lose 600 is genocide.
- thomasrdotorg
Belkin offered them each 65 cents
- Michael Krigsman
So, you lost followers. I thought you un-followed 600 people today.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Yeah, I lost followers.
- Robert Scoble
I don't use twitter, but my guess is, it is/should be used for more local applications, personal friends(facebook status like), events(instant feedback), public im'ing. I don't use it, to post my constant thoughts, feelings, and stretches, but maybe I should, I'd need an android phone, to wanna try that.
- David Lynch
A lot of people are complaining of losing followers. Methinks there's been a maintenance cull or recount of some sort.
- Paul Reynolds
Yep, Paul, there is indeed a spammer cull going on tonight, presumably in advance of the inauguration. I don't think any number of birds could carry the Fail Whales I'm expecting tomorrow.
- Jared Smith
My last Twitter "market correction" was about this time last month, but I only lost 10 readers. That worked out to be about 6.5% of my readership then. In the month following, I went from 155 to (currently) 244, an increase of 157%.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
A day of pleasures great and small. Tom Waits, Barack's address + U2/Garth & getting jostled by Edward James Olmos to seeing @mat tonight.
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Matt: where were you in Obama concert audience? I am watching now and will look for you.
- Robert Scoble
I think you can see me a little bit during John Mellencamp's "Pink Houses". Look for a crowd shot about 1/3rd of the way in? I got a seat, so I was pretty close.
- Matt Cutts
My brother married Jimmy Carter's grand daughter, he's therefore at the inauguration. Lucky b'stard! I'll be watching for him..!
- thomasrdotorg
from twhirl
Amy Carter has a daughter old enough to get married? I remember taking a tour of the White House and hearing about her treehouse. Now I feel very old.
- Matt Cutts
Amy Carter as a mom? Wow.
- ursi
Pro-Life Group Accuses Krispy Kreme of Selling Abortion Doughnuts - http://www.inquisitr.com/15454...
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Helen Sventitsky, tinypants - Hagitha of FF, Graham English and 9 other people liked this
mmmm, abortion doughnuts
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
lol @Eric
- Anna Haro
Abortions for some but donuts for everyone.
- Morton Fox
ALLFAIL (FAILALL?)
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
LOL
- MikeAmundsen
Are those the ones with the creamy filling?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
- Erin @queenofspain
Grade A Nutters is an excellent description of said group. Sigh.
- Chrimmus Tad
Guaranteed to be less than 20 weeks old. Sorry.
- thomasrdotorg
from twhirl
What a bunch of morons.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Of course the donuts are not made of abortions, but they claim you will support Obama and his abortion views if you eat free one on Inauguration Day. *shrug* I dont' see anything wrong with it.
- Bwana ☠
LMAO @thomas...win. Oh it's so funny to see how far into things some groups will read. If you reach hard enough, you can find something wrong with anything.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
@thomas behave ;-)
- Duncan Riley
WTF is this?
- Darren Heydon
True, nothing wrong with it, it's just completely moronic and is reaching so far as to be ridiculous
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
yummy!
- sean percival
The Rebirth of "Web TV" http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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I'm not sure I'd actually want to see this really hit the market, at least not in my home. I'd prefer keeping the web where it is, and TV where it is, or maybe bring more TV to the web. I feel this way because of the amount distractions that the web carries around versus the amount of distractions on TV. There's way more on the web. It might make my TV watching experience seem too...busy? cluttered? complicated?
- Corvida
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
@corvida doesn't this go against the general trend of convergence. I forget where I heard the quote, but it goes along the line of the delivery system being unimportant and for non tech users, they will indeed not even know how content is getting to them, it just does.
- thomasrdotorg
@Thomasrdotorg True, but I care, and they'll care once their TV watching experience becomes an information overload experience.
- Corvida
@corvida - I'm sure the implementator would not force the widget into a popup advertisement experience ala the common web. Information overload is optional.
- Toni @ NavinoT
Question: It may be too early to assess its popularity, but do you think that the Android/G1 will overtake the iPhone in terms of better application support? With an open platform, surely it can, right?
Daniel Rowley, Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie), VC Freak and 18 other people liked this
Having just bought the Android for my wife two days ago, and seeing the potential it has, I think your statement is a fair assessment. It will take 2-3 years though before it gets to that point. I was gung ho for buying an Iphone. I'm seriously reconsidering going with the Android now for myself.
- Mike Fruchter
The open platform being one main selling point.
- Mike Fruchter
In terms of number and quality of applications, I could see Android overtaking the iPhone. Much like linux vs windows/mac though, I'm not so sure it will take the lead market position. Depends on how many additional handset makers deploy android and how cheap they make them.
- mikepk
Thanks Mike. I'm still stuck with a Treo (and I still need a Treo car charger from my earlier message on FF!) but I'm considering the Android route when Sprint introduces a capable phone. Since I have no immediate need to switch mobile handhelds now, I'm just going to wait it out. To be honest, I'm not a fan of the iPod Touch and iPhone anymore. Apple's support sucks and developers don't have a clue.
- Tamar Weinberg
Android is better for developers and I really hope it can outsell the iPhone. In terms of helping developers, having an open marketplace, it's not even close. Android FTW :)
- Steven Cains
But saying that, all I hear about is companies developing for the iPhone (simply because of numbers) while Android apps are an afterthought.
- Steven Cains
the iphone will slowly open up as a platform. see itunes slowly opening up, with drm move. iphone will do so to keep up with its leadership position. the other catch... it is easier for developers to work off one platform for one phone. not so easy to work off one platform with different flavors for different phones. i expect the iphone to keep its dominance for the medium term
- Pascal Bouvier
Cains, but at first, iPhone development wasn't widespread. Sure, Apple did get an edge here, but I hope that the Android will take off. I just don't want to be loyal to Apple for the rest of my life and would love the mobile application market to be something besides oldschool Blackberry/Windows apps and the iPhone.
- Tamar Weinberg
I hope android will surpass the iphone. There are far more java developers out there which can jump on android than there are objective-c programmers. But the iphone has a huge lead in terms of interface design and ease of use. And it will not be easy to break the itunes/app store system.
- Peter Hoffmann
Really Tamar? Seems like every developer I know had some kind of work for the iPhone before the SDK was even released. Android just hasn't generated the same buzz (amongst the general public more than developers). Surprising for Google, the only other tech company that can rival Apple's customer enthusiasm. I think Pascal has a good point too, the varying case & control designs could present a stumbling block for 3rd party development.
- Steven Cains
I don't think they did, Cains, but maybe I'm wrong.
- Tamar Weinberg
Developers follow their hearts and Android so far hasn't been inspiring. If their hearts don't matter market size does. Google is losing there too.
- Robert Scoble
Android will win I believe. It may take a while - more updates (which they rock at), some more hardware platforms, add that to the extra flexibility the developers get and you have a winner.
- Shaun McIntyre
Someone needs to make setting up a development environment and getting started with Android development a lot less painless and then there will be more developers interested in writting apps for it. I want to but I don't have time to overcome the learning curve at the moment and I have heard it is a daunting one.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I think it's too early to assess. Android's biggest problem is not the software but the hardware. (no offense to the G1 owners)
- Mona Nomura
AM waiting for other players to come out with their Android phones.
- Rom Feria
Mona - Couldn't agree more. While I'd love to have a hackable phone I can't get behind carrying around that thing. Ergonomics matter...
- Brian Roy
@Mona - yeah, it's not as sexy as the iPhone, but I look at it as geeky vs popular. I like the fact that my phone is the geeky one.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I say this every time this is discussed, but the big problem with Android is that the apps are written in Java and run on an interpreted virtual machine. It's not a good fit for an embedded device.
- invariant - farewell FF
Quality beats quantity - the question ought to be if more of the applications we want are on the phone. I say this because I don't really need 10,000 variants of "iFart" available to me, and I would like more tools that make the phone more useful. That said, I strongly suspect Android will win out - more handsets, more networks means more market share. The AT&T locked iPhone will start to suffer once Android can be found on everything else.
- Eric P
invariant - please... not the "java is too slow" thing... interpreted at run time is the majority of code now. Java/PHP/Python/JavaScript... need I go on. EDIT - Sorry forgot ruby... my Rails friends will be coming with pitchforks.
- Brian Roy
Brian: You're utterly wrong. Java, Python and Javascript on PCs are all Just In Time compiled. Java on Android is not. It's too slow. Trust me, I wrote J2ME apps for cell phones for years.
- invariant - farewell FF
Just wait until the Sony/Ericsson and Motorola Androids come out. Lindsay - I feel so awful saying this because I know you, Tad, and Tina love yours... But I just didn't like the way it felt in my hand and the iPhone's attention to details is what captured my heart. Sony/Ericsson is really good with sexyfying gadgets. I hope they prevail because I'm an Android fan. :)
- Mona Nomura
Good, when I'm wrong I prefer to be utterly wrong. So Java works different on Android? How so?
- Brian Roy
I'm sure there will be better hardware coming out that will run Android. No doubt. But it's not out yet. And I like what I have. And I like the fact that it's NOT an iPhone like everyone else has. And it does cool and awesome stuff anyway. And I have a REAL keyboard. I almost feel about the iPhone the way I do about Sony... too proprietary for my tastes (well, I guess that doesn't count for phones, but any Sony device that uses media).
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Most virtual machines on PCs these days will convert a function to native machine code the first time it's called, then use that native code for subsequent calls. The virtual machine on Android (and all cell phones) does not do this, but reinterprets each bit of virutal machine code each time it is run. The garbage collectors on phone VMs also tend to be less sophisticated, which means it takes them longer to clean up memory when the app needs more.
- invariant - farewell FF
If Skype Lite becomes readily (and easily) available for the average user on a G1, then yes, it can and will overtake the iPhone.
- Brandon Mendelson
I hope so but doubt it. By the time a nicely built phone is paired with a mature Android, Apple will probably come out with something even better due to its head start.
- Rodfather
My cel phone is >300x faster and has >1000x more RAM than my first computer, and most of its apps were written in an interpreted language. I'm not buying the "it's too slow" argument.
- Victor Ganata
RAM is another issue with Java. Embedded devices don't have demand-paged virtual memory. But you cannot easily control exactly how much memory your app takes using Java because it was originally designed with that type of memory system in mind. My colleagues and I burned many hours trying to control memory in Java apps for J2ME phones. None of us would voluntarily go back to writing code in that type of environment.
- invariant - farewell FF
That's a specious argument Victor - unless you only plan on running Commodore 64 level apps on your phone. I at least want something more - something that can manipulate 3 megapixels of picture data in real time, or render multiple thousands of polygons every thirtieth of a second, or even decode video at an acceptable framerate. Did your first computer do that?
- invariant - farewell FF
One more thing, cause I feel like I'm coming off as more hardcore on this than I want to. 99% of iPhone apps would run great in Java on Android. Games (which is what I do) are a different story. But I do think a lot of people who might have been interested in working on Android apps, Linux people especially, heard that you needed to work in Java and said "no thanks". Whether it's perception (and some of it is) or reality (and some of it is), it's driving devs away. They need to give devs the choice.
- invariant - farewell FF
All comments use iPhone as "standard" to meet. Marketer's dream niche!
- Phil Boiarski
The openness is a two-edged sword. Device manufacturers can pick and choose what parts of android they'll support, as well as have different kinds of hardware support. When you write an iPhone app, you can count on multitouch hardware, accelerometer, hardware graphics acceleration etc. being there -- not so with Android. If you go to native code for performance, then you need different binaries for the different processor families used on different devices & lose the cross-platform advantage of the VM.
- Karim
invariant makes some excellent points about the lack of a JIT compiler. It's hard to believe Google won't add JIT eventually, but in the meantime the performance hit is significant. Even *if* Android gets to application parity with the iPhone, and the UI and the hardware got to be just as sexy as Apple, at the end of the day the device still isn't an iPod. All other things being equal, having that iPod ability is going to push a lot of consumers to the iPhone platform. Developers will follow.
- Karim
It's funny because I feel like I've seen this story before. It's true that history repeats. Oddly enough, history is repeating and some of the actors are even still the same.
- mikepk
Karim, those are good points, but I think there's something more fundamental at play here though.
- mikepk
Karim - You have to make a different build for every device anyway. Before we got out of the business we were literally making 100+ different builds in order to achieve wide handset deployment.
- invariant - farewell FF
Yes. Yes.
- scott anderson
While I don't see the G1 overtaking the iPhone anytime soon, I think Android does have a lot of potential in embedded systems. Which is sort of ironic given that Java was originally intended for PDAs and set-top boxes and not the World Wide Web.
- Karim
invariant, I thought the whole point of Dalvik was so you didn't need one binary for device A, a different one for device B, etc.? mikepk -- can you elaborate on "something more fundamental?"
- Karim
Karim, Android may be the long play.... My theory: in the short term, closed system and good experience will win. In the long term, the HW will become commoditized and price will become the overriding factor. It's the mac/microsoft story redux. The one variable that's different this time around is less control over and possibly more fractured experience of Android. If Android becomes linux-like in that regard, they might not hit the critical mass.
- mikepk
Karim - that's the theory but it never works out in practice, because you have to change your code to support the different characteristics of the different devices. Actually, it's usually to work around different bugs on the various devices.
- invariant - farewell FF
mike, i think see what you mean. i think there are some important differences, though -- people went with PCs for various reasons, but cost was a big factor -- the better experience wasn't worth the $1,000 (or whatever the "Mac Tax" used to be) for most people. Also with PCs you had far more options than phones -- fingerprint readers, multiple displays, handwriting recognition etc. so the ability to customize hardware had value. Not as much with phones, I think.
- Karim
the price point matters. people might not cough up another $500 for a computer, but i think people are willing to pay another $50 for a better user experience on the phone.
- Karim
Apple can go open source or whatever the hell they want to answer Google. Besides the iphone is about hardware as well as software and Android would need to be able to anticipate my every need to beat the overall package of iPhone methinks. It's just not good enough in teh hardware stakes- yet.
- thomasrdotorg
from twhirl
invariant, you've probably *forgotten* more about Java on mobiles than I'll ever *know*, so I'm going to defer to you on that point! :-)
- Karim
I really think that it needs to be readily available. The release of the iPhone was huge, Google needs to make sure they pump resources into the first Android release so that it is as visible. Then it stands a chance.
- TheSleepyGeek
Razzie Award Nominations - The Worst Movies and Performances of 2008 - http://www.slashfilm.com/2009...
lemme guess- Australia?
- thomasrdotorg
from twhirl
Does anyone else feel that FriendFeed in Twhirl just doesn't work? Sure it's possible, but it just doesn't have the same functionality that the website does. Thoughts?
Chris Rogers, Frederic, Daniel Rowley and 6 other people liked this
I don't even try. It gave me a headache when I tried it back in July. I dumped the account promptly.
- Admiral Anika
I leave it running all day as it only updates occasionally, unlike the epilepsy inducing world of the live feed. It is also a lot less traffic intensive (I got a "you have doenloaded a LOT of data from Friendfeed" note from my IT manager.) I think it could be improved with better room access and update speed, but I like the interface and the threading.
- thomasrdotorg
from twhirl
I'm dabbling in AlertThingy these days. It is good at giving me new notices, but bad at scrolling back, and after a while the slidebar vanishes. odd. Not quite what I'm looking for in apps for FriendFeed.
- Courtney Engle
from Alert Thingy
Works fine for me on Work comp... plays up with lower speeds like home.. i.e. Wifi in Australia
- Ian Cleasby
from twhirl
I like to put it like this. Twhirl is a "vertical" app trying to display a "horizontal" service. Does that make sense?
- Nate Pilling
I completely agree...I like the native web real-time interface much better.
- Jonathan Brown
FF in Twhirl is like playing Frogger, except instead of vehicle sprites moving, the road itself moves underneath you - know what I mean? That said, I use it occasionally as a way to force myself not to engage too much while I'm trying to get stuff done, it's like a HUD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Micah Wittman
I love FF real-time mini pop up window. works much better. Twhirl is bloated and never displays the "freshest" content
- Dave Senior
Agree completely - never use it in Twhirl (have tried though) - always in Firefox
- Patrick Jordan
An awesome way to view FriendFeed is to turn on the real-time feed, pop out the window, and then put it in full screen. It's sweet. If I had an extra monitor laying around it would be awesome just to have it running all the time.
- Nate Pilling
I like Twhril for Twitter access but trying to do FF in it is just confusing. I prefer to use the web interface for FF.
- Rob Cairns
feedalizr works fine for me
- Siddharth Mitra
I'm replying to an email on Facebook. I feel dirty.
Niall Connellan, Bill Sanders, Morton Fox and 6 other people liked this
Why? Did you poke them as well?
- rob
Go take a shower, IMMEDIATELY!!!
- Anna Haro
Ewwww - that's sooo 2006!
- Chrimmus Tad
Or did you SuperPoke them?
- Sparky
DON'T DO IT! THEY'LL JUST REPLY BACK! YOU'LL REGRET IT!
- Jeanine W.
set them on fire first
- Donovan Slennon
As I said on twitter duncan- and I say this to all of the above "I was not rly joking about yr facebook snobbery- because its so mainstream, you early adopters eschew and denigrate it. shame!"
- thomasrdotorg
I think I've just got to lie down and take it like a man. Facebook wins. I replied to two other emails after this. People I know in person, who I see every couple of months are now emailing me on FB, not direct. The world has gone completely insane, so why fight it
- Duncan Riley
I just read two emails on Facebook but, since I didn't reply, I only feel a tad dusty. I don't care for the assumption that I actually check my Facebook on a regular basis. I'll check it when and if I goddam well please but if you want to reach me, send me a *real* email.
- Laura Norvig
2008 prediction: FriendFeed will spin off two new services: FamilyFeed and EnemyFeed
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That would be from December 31, 2007. I've got a few more weeks to be right!
- Louis Gray
It is a message from the future.
- Yolanda
Did you just pull a deeply buried entry back to the surface? Funny.
- Hutch Carpenter
Oh ok... was wondering if FF was having a stroke or something.
- Yolanda
I did not, but I think Tyson Key did.
- Louis Gray
what about foefeed, a better naming fit no?
- MG Siegler
fFeed and fyouFeed
- kartik vaithyanathan
Embargoed announcement: ENEMYFEED!! will debut in approximately one hour. Sneak peeks available here (http://friendfeed.com/rooms...). Anyone breaking the embargo will be shot and shall receive a stocking full of coal.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Like kartik analysis
- Pat Hawks
Another prediction for FriendFeed http://friendfeed.com/e...
- İzzet Emre Kutlu
I heard it was ScobleFeed and GrayFeed, but my sources are suspect. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I heard there will be a BlagojaFeed
- Ms_Krista
prediction: FF platfom expansion to facilitate pay to play marketing feature
- Bob Sonin
Robert I would be very wary of you following ScobleFeed. That could cause a rip in the space time continuum.
- thomasrdotorg
from twhirl
Baratunde trademarked EnemyFeed(tm) back on May 18. Of course, that was 4+ months after Louis' prediction. http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Ontario Emperor
And when I see the phrase FamilyFeed, I immediately think of Richard Dawson kissing other people's wives and daughters. (Sadly, it also reminds one of the late Ray Combs.)
- Ontario Emperor
FamilyFeed sounds like an All U Kin Eat Buffet. EnemyFeed, hissy-bitchy.
- Phil Boiarski
LOLLLLLLLL Yes Ray Combs in Women's High Heels no less!! thx Ontario Emperor for Getting my Day off to a Lousy Start!! ;))
- Billy Warhol
LOL! Ok - but if you unfriend on enemyfeed is that positive or negative in the social space?
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Are Paid Posts now acceptable on blogs? (poll) - http://www.inquisitr.com/12124...
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No! Just when blogs get some credit from MSM...this!
- Justin Davey
$500? No way. I invested too much in what I do to go so cheap. But, as long as you are transparent and tell me you're selling your blog I don't mind. I will do the same, but only when the rates are a lot better for what they are getting. Look at Demo conference. There 1500 people pay $1,500 each to listen to companies who are paying $18,000 each to talk to them. THAT is the cost of entry, not $500.
- Robert Scoble
Cmon folks - there is nothing wrong with paid endorsements... as long as it is fully disclosed it is no big deal. By the way Robert - I'd take the $500 bucks :)
- Brian Roy
Brian: cool, then that's all you'll ever get. :-) I had a friend "Amway" me once. You don't want to know how that turned out. Let's just say that losing a friendship wasn't worth $500.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe so... maybe so... but it isn't my business either - you operate on a completely different level.
- Brian Roy
Six minutes on stage at a Demo conference costs $18,000. To an audience of 1500 people. Here you have a larger audience of the same kinds of people. You want to give that away for $500? Go for it.
- Robert Scoble
Brian: no, we are all on the same level. If we all sell out cheap, we're all idiots. Not to mention: we all only have one reputation. When we sell it cheap, well, you can't get that back.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, and Huffington Post just got $25 million. Why? They don't sell for $500.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not saying I wouldn't be enormously selective about what and who I endorse...
- Brian Roy
Brian: are you Sears or Kmart? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Placement matters Robert... what I say does not impact nearly as many people as what you do. So for my endorsement maybe 500.00 is right. Simple pay for reach marketing.
- Brian Roy
In the new year I will be product testing (motor vehicle related) . There is no payment from teh manufacturer and this keeps it "clean". I would be very bloody wary of cash for blog. Obligation does not need to be codified, it's implied. (check your constitution for the meaning of implied in this context)
- thomasrdotorg
from twhirl
Dude - did you just call me Kmart... or did I just call me Kmart :) Neither - I'm just saying some properties have more value than others.
- Brian Roy
Robert: by that logic though I shouldn't accept a paid speaking engagement for less than, say, Bill Clinton? Surely the amount paid in the case of a blog would depend on the type and quantity of traffic the blog has?
- John
It's none of my business if people want to accept this deal. I'm surprised you single out Chris P. Yeah, he doesn't need the money, but at the same time, he's already clearly in bed with commerce and sponsorship from head to toe. As long as there is full disclosure, it is what it is. I don't think there is one single code of ethics that applies to all blogs. What would surprise me would be if someone like Louis Gray accepted this type of offer. Now that would be news.
- Laura Norvig
Well there is a difference between saying it's ok for other people to do and whether you would do it yourself. I think if people are happy to do it and disclose what the deal is about there is no problem. I wouldn't do it myself but that's personal choice. I don't *think* badly of people who do, though I may *feel* badly for them if it turns out to be a bad decision for them.
- WorldofHiglet
Laura, I mentioned Chris is particular because he's be the least likely on that list of people to need $500. He wasn't "singled out" for criticism, it just fit the context.
- Duncan Riley
Well put, Higlet. Personally I think Sears should have just done this with the pure charity angle and left out any monetary/goods gain for the bloggers.
- Laura Norvig
Agree with Robert in the first comment: to me its a low price for something like this, when you are in turn lending some of your credibility to the product.
- Duncan Riley
I would not do a paid post. Sponsored post ok. But the content is mine and not for sale. Journalistic integrity!!!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
So would the payment be for the Content (like when your hired to write a print article) or is it for placement (buying space on a popular blogger's site).
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Igor, none of us were told that we had to sway content any way. The content is also ours and ours alone and in these instances, we're free to do what we want. I could have written nasty things about my experience if I wanted to--but I had nothing bad to say. And Duncan, fix the typo in my name, please? :P
- Tamar Weinberg
Maybe it would be easier to leave the ethics aside and just ask "is this shit going to WORK." Who wants to read a technology blog that interrupts its posts with "a word from our sponsor, Cialis." And a technology blogger who takes money from IBM is going to be viewed as an IBM employee, no matter what the disclaimer. *The Internet isn't television.* Trying to treat it like television is putting old wine into new skins.
- Karim
John: you have a point with the Clinton thing, but all I'm saying is don't sell out too cheaply. Your name might be Obama, why would you want to sell for Clinton prices? I got a very large amount from Seagate. What if I had sold a $500 post the week before? Wouldn't they have laughed me out of the office? Yes, they would have. You only get one shot to sell yourself. Is $500 your price? If it is, be happy with that. I look around at a lot of what is getting paid for, though, and I see a lot more value.
- Robert Scoble
Karim: exactly. I'm not opposed to being a corporate blogger. I was one twice so far. But I went for a lot more than $500 and I got medical plans and benefits and all that too.
- Robert Scoble
I do them, but they carry the notice that states it is a sponsored post and it does not go outside the realm of what I believe is a good post, in other words I would not write up a blazing post on something that I think stinks, so it depends on who and what goes in to the post as have turned some down too.
- MedicalQuack
I really don't know if big companies are going to pay heaps on just a blog post. If they're going big bucks, they might as well go a TV ad or something like that..
- Terry O'Fee
Terry: again, look at the Demo Conference. 1500 people. All paying $1000+ to sit there. 80 companies on stage. All paying $18,000 to talk to the 1500 people. They WILL pay, if you demonstrate your value. But, if everyone sells out for $500, sure, no one will pay more than $500. Plus, if I sold out for $500 a post I'm going to do a lot of sponsored posts. That'll reduce the value here and on my blog, don't ya think?
- Robert Scoble
So hold on, Robert -- is the bottom line that some bloggers can be bought with $500 and others can be bought with $2500? I'm not sure what the logic is there. This is my first sponsored post. And most of it went to charity just as I blogged. I don't regret using this sponsored experience to give back to some people who have nothing.
- Tamar Weinberg
Tamar: the logic is that when you sell your editorial stream for $500 it's very hard to ask for more. Imagine someone says, tomorrow, "come in and pitch my company on a blog campaign." You might have been able to ask for $500,000, but now you can't, cause you've sold your editorial stream for $500 a post. Too bad for you.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, by that logic it's hard to ask for a 10% raise because you're already making less. The theory is that, based on one's current performance and by exhibiting ability and prowess you can make a case that you warrant that 10% raise. Now, in the example you've just given, someone is asking for a ludicrous raise going from $500 to $500k. Not viable. Now, $500 to $1500, then to $2500, etc. *is* viable.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Well, I'm not sure if that's true. As I continue to promote high-value posts and continually get more readers and eyeballs to my site, the value of my "sponsored post," should I choose to continue along those lines, goes up.
- Tamar Weinberg
Tamar: at some point, though, this becomes a deck of cards that all falls apart. Right now companies are interested in the blogosphere because it's authentic, credible, and talks to people with high transactional lifestyles and influence. You start throwing ads on your blog and lots of those people will go away and go toward someone who isn't doing that. Or, worse, they just stop caring about the blogosphere all together and then the whole thing collapses in on itself.
- Robert Scoble
I want to see lots of people make money, but I want a sustainable industry here, not one that blows up after a few months of $500 posts. We started blogging back eight years ago partly in reaction to advertiser influence on media. If we let it back in then it'll collapse again and readers will go where they don't get "Amway'd."
- Robert Scoble
You assume that one infrequent sponsored post will lead to a storm of such posts. Perhaps that may be the case with some individuals--but I'll tell you that I hesitated first to use my personal blog for this purpose and I will likely hesitate again with other offers and may say no. In any event, if the blogosphere dies, I think we all as bloggers have something to worry about. I'm not thinking along the lines of the apocalypse here now though.
- Tamar Weinberg
Two years ago the evil was non-disclosure. At that time, the purists were horrified, and cried out for God to smite the evil bloggers. Out of the ensuing fray, Izea was born. Full disclosure, up-front and below, with no pretense. Yet somehow, the purists are again changing the rules. The problem? I can't find the bloggers' commandment that says "thou shalt not make money". Especially in a recession. Stop being so pure, purists, get practical. Have you checked your 401k balance lately?
- Karoli
The "purists" haven't changed the rules, Karoli. The Cluetrain Manifesto still applies. The value of blogs is that they are in an authentic, human voice. When you write about things you care about, it shows. The value lies in them NOT being commercials. Can't we monetize it in some way that doesn't dilute or eventually destroy the very reason we're there to begin with?
- Karim
I keep seeing comments from people who have done these "sponsored posts" suggesting that they felt uneasy about it at first, or hesitated. That's called having a conscience, and you're supposed to *listen* to it. :-)
- Karim
Robert - I'm just saying I don't see some of the bigger companies saying. "i have thousands of dollars. i can give it all to a web celebrity or a proper celebrity which will turn more heads"
- Terry O'Fee
Karim - why can't I endorse a product or service and still be authentic? You assume taking money makes one somehow impure. I've got news for you - if you are a shill you are a shill - taking money doesn't make you one. I see post after post every day that trade authenticity for approval, page views, or a mention on scobleizer or TechCrunch... So don't impune someone for earning a living by endorsing something.
- Brian Roy
I find it funnier people who think this is going to take over more traditional forms of advertising...
- Terry O'Fee
Brian - "endorse" is ambiguous because you can approve of a product without being *paid* to approve of it. Please show me some examples of people being *paid* to endorse something in an authentic voice. When you endorse something without remuneration, you'll write about it because you love it or you hate it -- you're emotionally connected to what you write. People write their best stuff when they're emotionally connected to the subject. This is why people read blogs.
- Karim
Look at the Kmart posts. What do you see? People saying that they haven't set foot in a Kmart in years, they normally wouldn't go there etc. but hey since they've got $500 to spend... that's INAUTHENTIC. "I normally wouldn't give a shit about Kmart but I want YOU to give a shit because Kmart paid me."
- Karim
And look at what they write. Mediocre pablum. Hey, this trip to Kmart wasn't half the hellish, soul-deadening descent into a cheap plastic consumer purgatory I thought it would be. It was ok. Well who the hell wants to read about someone's passable, mediocre, not-too-bad experience? We already get enough of those without trying. We want blogs to have *passion.* We don't want to hear about a cheeseburger that was ok.
- Karim
Oh fuck it, the sooner all the A-listers start pimping their blogs with paid posts the better. It will drive their readers away and give real bloggers a chance.
- Dominic Jones
Does Michael Phelps really eat Wheaties? Does he attribute his eight Olympic gold medals to a steady diet of Wheaties, Wheaties, and more Wheaties? Does anyone really think paid endorsements have authentic voices? "Authentic paid endorsement" is an oxymoron, and everyone knows it. We've learned to tune them out.
- Karim
Dominic, that is certainly one of the ways it could play out. "The Internet routes around stupidity."
- Karim
Most blogs I read are ones that I find enjoyable. The more crap like this on blogs. I mean "talking about blogs" etc I usually remove out of boredom. The only "celeb" bloggers (or whatever they think they are) I read are the ones that usually make me laugh. I don't judge their opinions any higher than others. They're just critics like the rest of us.
- Terry O'Fee
I had a Seagate drive that crashed with half the pictures I took in a year on it. That doesn't mean I blame Robert or hold him responsible for that drive failure, and if I wrote a post about Seagate and was paid, you bet that would be in the post. My point? What Chris Brogan wrote clearly indicated he was paid for it, but that doesn't mean he endorsed KMart as the only place to shop or did anything unethical. Nothing is different here than with the HP giveaways all over A-listers' blogs.
- Karoli
to finish that thought...I'm damn glad HP is doing those giveaways and would absolutely love to be the beneficiary of them. Option 1: No paid ads, no giveaways. Option 2: paid ads, giveaways. I'll take Option 2. Just like I'd take a food basket if I were in need of food.
- Karoli
If I'm up to buying something online, I check a handful of tech websites, go do a google search and judge by about 10 or 15 or 20 - whatever! websites and see what the overall opinion is from people, whether its comments at the end of the page or random bloggers opinions. I don't go "Oh! (insert name) says it's brilliant! He said so on his blog!" *grabs wallet*
- Terry O'Fee
Karim - I can also approve of a product and accept payment for saying so. I don't think Phelps said the medals were the result of eating Wheaties. You clearly hate endorsements - but that is irrelevant because they work. By your standard all blogs should be non-profit, donation based. By your standard sponsors are no different (why do you think seagate wants to sponsor Robert's blog - because it is a perceived endorsement). You are entitled to your opinion and to use your blog for what purpose you see fit.
- Brian Roy
There is no purity, there is no "bias free zone". We all do things in exchange for something - approbation, popularity, page views, acceptance, money, etc. What we exchange it for is not nearly as interesting to me as the quality of the commentary, the transparency of reasoning, and the honesty of the observation.
- Brian Roy
@gregory - the fact that you found them voices of authority in the first place is amusing to me..
- Terry O'Fee
@gregory - do you lose respect for a sports announcer who reads a spot for a car dealership; or for a actor that tells you to color your hair; or the local news anchor that is on your dry cleaners flyer? Bloggers are no different to attempt to hold them to some (completely foolish) standard is insane. I expect any spokesperson to be authentic and transparent... that is all.
- Brian Roy
Karoli, if Seagate told you, "Here's $50,000, could you please write a blog post about our company? And we may ask to sponsor additional posts of yours in the future," how scathing would your blog post be? Most people would feel some need to reciprocate Seagate's generosity and at least give them the benefit of the doubt -- "Well, that drive failed, but honestly, drives fail all the time, all manufacturers have drive failures, nobody's perfect... a-and when it was working, it worked great!" etc. etc.
- Karim
Both sides paid or not have established reasonable arguments. $500 is a lot of money for me but if I have built my site and earn reputations and tremendous traffic, $500 is not that reasonable. Endorsing and being paid, I believe have different connotation for bloggers, you can endorse a product or company without being paid while sponsorship means you are going to receive payment, either in items or in cash. I hope I understand it well.
- Jack
And you don't want to tear Seagate a new one in your blog post, do you? Because this $50,000 could be just the beginning? Why burn that bridge? "Just like you'd take a food basket," right? So instead of ripping Seagate a new one about their crappy drives, you ease up and write something "balanced and fair" and maybe even just a tiny bit nice because you're friends with Seagate now, right?
- Karim
How is it any different that when FriendFeed calls up Scoble and says "hey - come on by and we will give you an exclusive"? You don't thing the exclusive is valuable to what Robert does? Granted it isn't cash... but if it keeps him doing it so he can get paid isn't that the same thing? Money is not the only form of reciprocity... access is huge.
- Brian Roy
So you've gone from this wickedly funny, acerbic, AUTHENTIC criticism of Seagate that you were going to write because you were emotionally connected to the subject, to this lukewarm, boring, inauthentic "well, nobody's perfect" crap just because Seagate set the payment high enough.
- Karim
@gregory - of course they are pitchmen it is what they (we) do. Scoble pitches for FriendFeed every day - so what? The problem is you are attributing an exchange of CASH for a MOTIVE. If you want to assign MOTIVE for why they say what they say you don't need CASH involved... there are plenty of other value exchanges that can influence.
- Brian Roy
To the person who asked me about taking money to blog: I did. I used to write for PayPerPost; would've written for Izea if external restrictions hadn't prevented me from continuing. You betcha they got criticism where it was due. When Robert blogged for Microsoft he also criticized them -- that's one of the things that gave him credibility with me. Even Doc Searls didn't have a problem with *disclosed* paid posts. If they disappoint some, that's too bad. Find a new unwashed hero until they disappoint too.
- Karoli
these people are people like you. if you are silly enough to buy something on just one recommendation, well you deserve the failures (if they happen). how do you know all these other blogs are being paid for their opinions and they just dont talk about it? Geez...
- Terry O'Fee
Brian, I don't "hate" endorsements, I just think they're inauthentic, and I value authentic speech over inauthentic speech. As for your "there is no purity" -- i.e. we're ALL shills, flacks, hucksters -- I don't know if that's just cynicism or being tone deaf, but I completely disagree.
- Karim
Those were actually my comments - and it isn't cynicism it is reality. You can play the "pure as the driven snow" card but that is inauthentic. Who grants you access, who does your cousin work for, where did you go to school, who sponsored your kids soccer team... everything influences. As long as the blogger is transparent... who cares?
- Brian Roy
And "sports announcer who reads a spot for a car dealership" is a perfect example of the inauthentic speech that's been shoved down our throats since the dawn of mass media. Some guy has a talent for verbally describing how someone else throws a ball, and this makes him an expert on *cars?* No, it does not. Everybody knows this.
- Karim
To the extent it "works" and isn't tuned out -- and how many sports announcer/car dealership commercials do YOU listen to intently? -- it is because advertisers are making an illogical, emotional appeal: they want you to associate the nice feelings you have about the announcer with nice feelings about the dealership. Make the people feel good, then show them the product. Here are some kittens! Here's a beautiful woman! Here's our corporate logo!
- Karim
Brian, you seem to think that everything is tainted, there's always a quid pro quo. I just disagree. If I blog or tweet that "Oh man, I just ate a juicy, delicious Quarter Pounder with Cheese and it really hit the spot, sometimes, you know, you just gotta have a greasy hamburger" -- I'm NOT getting compensated by McDonald's, nor is my cousin. For *authenticity*, my unsolicited, unsponsored endorsement beats "I'm lovin' it" any day.
- Karim
tainted? No, that is your world view... Not mine. I do not think it is taint, just a simple fact of life.
- Brian Roy
So can you please explain how I stand to benefit by tweeting about how much I enjoyed that hamburger? How do I get "paid?" How does McDonald's "sponsor" me?
- Karim
@Karim how do you know anyone's authentic online anyway?
- Terry O'Fee
you still miss the point. I do not care if you do or don't. I don't assume you are or aren't. Is the content good? Do you appear transparent? That is all I care about.
- Brian Roy
Brian, I'm just asking you to explain something. You said, quote "there is no purity," quote "We all do things in exchange for something." My simple question is what do I get for an unsolicited, unsponsored endorsement on Twitter?
- Karim
Really the worst part of this is that Gregory is upset at me, beyond that I'm going to make the only point that really matters here (to me). I was given an opportunity to help I'd say 20 babies have cloths this Christmas, children I'd love to help but honestly didn't have the disposable income for. The cost to me was to raise the hackles of the blogosphere, the same blogosphere that goes on and on about using their platforms for good. Am I pro endorsed blogging? No, I'm ambivalent. -
- Steve Spalding
but let me say something and I hope it sticks for those who either haven't looked at the -good- that the Sears campaign accomplished, or believe that the moment money changes hands all good is negated. Given the opportunity to write one blog post to help one person who needs it, I will take that opportunity every, single time. If that makes me a bad blogger, so be it -- I can live with that. The devil is in the details folks.
- Steve Spalding
My blog post about the discussion: Does a Blogger Lose Credibility by Writing a Paid Post? http://www.kirtok.com/en...
- Ahmet Kirtok - Kirtok.com
A sports announcer reading an ad isn't expressing an opinion about the car dealership. He's reading an ad written by the car dealership. When you write a paid post you express your opinion in return for payment. Do you get paid if you say KMart is a shit place to shop? You might, but no one is going to approach you for a future paid post. Bloggers who think they're celebrities are...
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- Dominic Jones
from twhirl
Can people who write sponsored posts please put that in their bios or could FriendFeed ID them with a * or something. Please, my feed is cluttered enough with shit, I don't want it polluted with shills.
- Dominic Jones
LOL. That's too funny. I've seen 2 sponsored posts in the last 18 months and everyone is bent beyond belief.
- Karoli
Better yet, someone write a browser plug-in. Call it "Shill Detector" and it can alert me whenever there is a post or a comment associated with a database of URLs of people who have written paid posts. We already do that for privacy and phishing, why not for shills?
- Dominic Jones
I'm only half joking.
- Dominic Jones
You'd have to block half the A-list for that. Whether it's cash, influence, or visibility, there's pimping everywhere. Partial feeds? Click shills. Misleading post titles? Visitor shills.
- Karoli
@Dominic - how do you know they're not already? everyone's so naive to think every one who blogs is so innocent..
- Terry O'Fee
@karoli I know. We all have an agenda and we're all trying to make a living. No problem with that. I'm just just asking for more disclosure. If you're a blogger who writes paid posts, don't I have a right to take that into account when reading anything you write?
- Dominic Jones
@Terry O'Fee Is someone working on that plug-in? Where, when, how, can I get it? :-)
- Dominic Jones
What more disclosure do you want than a line at the beginning, before you read it, saying "this post is sponsored by xxxx. the opinions are the author's alone"?
- Karoli
I want to know that the person writes sponsored posts. That tells me something about them. It doesn't matter which posts they write, they're the same person who writes sponsored and unsponsored. It's the person I'm interested in, not the post.
- Dominic Jones
what does it tell you, exactly? that they need to eat, to pay for health insurance, to make up the income they lost when they were laid off? That they might have a family to support? That perhaps they'd like to have a bit of holiday cheer, too? What? What I earned from paid posts 2 years ago went to help friends and charity. Would you have known that from the fact of a paid post?
- Karoli
It tells me they write paid posts. That's all. What I choose to do with that information is my own choice. Why not give me that info?
- Dominic Jones
In fact, I did. On my blog principles page it said exactly that. That I wrote paid posts, that I chose which I would write, that I would write what I wanted despite being paid, etc. etc. I had a full statement. Since I don't write them now I don't think that page is up any more. But it was when I did.
- Karoli
But I can't see that here when you comment, or on another site where you might comment. I don't know that if I visit your blog via a link from a search and the post isn't a paid one. I didn't know you have written paid posts until you told me. That explains your position on this topic. It's very relevant. I haven't written paid posts. I don't read them if I can help it. And I'm less likely to trust someone who has. Of course, writing for charity is different, and the browser plug-in could highlight that.
- Dominic Jones
I didn't plan to write for charity. I was playing with it to see whether or not it was worth the brouhaha around it. As it turned out, there were some great products and brands that valued my opinion. I gave it. They paid me. I didn't need the money at the time, so I gave it away. Today I don't write paid posts and could really use the money. Go figure.
- Karoli
And if I ever dropped a link to a sponsored post in FF or Twitter, you betcha it would be disclosed in the tweet. Abso-frickin-lutely.
- Karoli
My problem with paid posts is that the writer somehow thinks his/her blog is less . . . garbage-like than someone who runs ads in the sidebar of their blog. They say things like, "I don't want ads all over my blog." If you're writing paid posts, honey, you have ads all over your blog! I accept ads on my blog via BlogAds.com. Sometimes I will write a post to introduce a new advertiser...
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- Genia
This is where things get sticky, what if I told you some (if not all) of the Sears posters gave some (if not all) of their "gift cards" to charity? Well, in case you weren't aware, they did. There are shades of meaning that seem to be left out when people start hunting for the torches.
- Steve Spalding
Out of 1600 posts, I wrote 20 that were paid. Now I run ads, mostly because I didn't have time to do justice to the paid post gig, and also because I ran the risk of conflicts of interest with my employer at the time.
- Karoli
Yep, and if they actually dared to trumpet what they did with it, they'd be strung up for bragging about their largesse.
- Karoli
@Steve Spalding If that comment about torches is aimed at me, then you're wrong. I'm merely saying if you have no problem with writing paid posts then you shouldn't have a problem with people being able to easily identify you as someone who does that. There seems to be an assumption that people will ostracize paid post writers. But apparently, most people don't have a problem with it. But for those who do, why not give them the info in their browser the same way they're alerted to secure sites etc.?
- Dominic Jones
Again shades of meaning Dominic, take someone like me who wrote a "paid post" for a charitable cause. I am not a paid blogger. Out of 2000+ posts I've made over the course of over 2 years, one was sponsored for a reason I stand behind. I am not interested in having a general tag associated with my career based on that. Not only does it seem silly but it doesn't illustrate what you think it might. As for the torch comment, it's not aimed at you in particular. I just hate to see people getting thrown under -
- Steve Spalding
a bus. Certainly, there is all sorts of payola that deserves some sort of witch hunt (if you're into that sort of thing), but I think people should take the time and make the effort to get informed before they take their moral stance. Like you said, "Writing for Charity is different." How many other mitigating circumstances would be included under this umbrella?
- Steve Spalding
Steve, you did a nice thing. It would be great if I visited your site or saw your comments and my browser told me you're a charitable person. That's relevant, don't you think? However, according to socialspark, people can buy posts on your site for $15.56 per post. Sorry, but I would like to know that when I read *anything* you write. http://socialspark.com/blogs...
- Dominic Jones
Dominic, first of all the statement about "giv[ing] the info in their browser the same way they're alerted to secure sites" is pretty outrageous. How many people actually care this much? Most people on the Internet want freebies and seek out gifts, and then there are these other people who preach some high moral ground (of course, until they actually get presented with similar offers, but I digress). In any event, I have had my blog in a "paid marketplace" for over 2 years now and...
- Tamar Weinberg
... I have never accepted a paid offer until now. Just because you see Steve's site in the marketplace (which is somewhat part of how this whole promotion works) doesn't mean he can be bought for $15.56/post. He still needs to accept the offer, and I think we've concluded at this point that few of us can be "bought" if the offer, erm, doesn't provide value to either the blogger or to its readers. In other words, you might have been misled.
- Tamar Weinberg
Dominic I fear in your effort to demonize "sponsored posts" in general, you might be barking up the wrong tree on this one. If you feel concerned enough to dig into my Social Spark account, you might look harder at the accts of those involved. Most, if not all of the people involved in this last promotion never use the advertorials. To say what you said there seems extremely knee jerk to me, when you could (as far as I know) -
- Steve Spalding
see quite clearly that the only opportunity I have ever accepted in year+ I've been a part of Social Spark has been 1 display ad (you know, the standard ads that everyone runs for better or for worse). I beg you to please look more carefully into the -details- of this before jumping to conclusions.
- Steve Spalding
Dominic - What you are now doing is far more insidious than anything Steve did. You want to brand anyone who gets paid for a post with a scarlet letter which is attached to everything they do from that point forward. Do you not see how dangerous that is? What about sponsored blogs - should we brand them as well? Where do you stop? Who gets the power to assign the scarlet letter? Steve wrote a post and said he was paid - no one was harmed - no evil was done.
- Brian Roy
I've concluded that there are agendas that run deeper than the simple matter of paid vs. not paid. this same debate could center around open source, or creative commons. There are some who just object to money changing hands. I'm guessing they don't know what it's like not to have any.
- Karoli
Not really, no. Adverts yes - put your ads with actual content ;-)
- immaterial
How long now for the Australian Car Industry? - http://www.duncanriley.com/2008...
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I'm gonna miss Holden, though not many of my compatriots will :)
- Mo Kargas
As much as I wouldn't buy one (we only buy Toyota's as a rule...well, until I can afford a DB9) they don't make a bad car, I drove the VR Commodore to 450,000 kms and it was fairly cheap to maintain, well besides the time we hit a roo and it ripped out some of the undercarriage :-)
- Duncan Riley
Duncan, ever driven at Toyota Supra? Twin turbo inline 6, awesome car despite its age :) I love my Calais and I've never had problems with any Holden I owned, despite what people say, but I understand the nature of the market. GM needed to do that a long time ago and furnish their offerings with quality, efficient vehicles, trim down their top-heavy corporate structure etc
- Mo Kargas
I had dinner with the CEO of Holden Mark Reuss last week and he was bullish and positive about eh Australian car industry. and frankly I shared his enthusiasm. They have a lot planned (from an E85 commodore to the Volt coming to Australia as a Holden Volt). I think we ought to see what can be done- or we can just forget all Australian manufacturing.
- thomasrdotorg
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oh and Duncan, I drove the DBS last week. Very short.... but I will have a more full test later. stay tuned!
- thomasrdotorg
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Thomasrdotorg: they can be bullish all they want, if GM goes under the restructure wont spare Holden just because they make a half decent local product. Mo, no, not for a long time (my father is in the car industry). We've owned a Corolla, a couple of Camrys (including a top of the range Vienta...I miss that car, it was brilliant), and now an Echo.
- Duncan Riley
Duncan likes his cars to be like whitegoods. PLain and "serviceable" not exciting however.
- thomasrdotorg
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No Thomasrdotorg, its simply a case of champagne taste with a beer budget. When I can afford it, I'll buy my AM, in the mean time, they get me from A to B. :-)
- Duncan Riley
I didn't realize there was an Aussie car industry!
- Jamelle
Did Loic LeMeur Just Commit a Kevin Rose? - http://www.centernetworks.com/leweb-s...
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Good one Allen. I had missed your earlier Pownce piece. That's a good perspective too.
- Hutch Carpenter
Thanks Hutch!
- Allen Stern
as long he doesn't commit a Kevin Mitnick...
- thomasrdotorg
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Coldplay Are to Last.fm, as Beatles Were to Billboard http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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You know how some songs will always remind you of specific times or places? Viva La Vida is the song that puts me right back in the hospital the day after my twins were born. Hearing that song makes me remember the amazing and very new time when Matthew was with me and my wife, yet Sarah was still in the special care nursery, fighting to keep up her weight and keep up her temperature....
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- Louis Gray
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Louis, what a great memory indeed! It's a beautiful thing when music can evoke a happy time in one's life. Warren, I had no idea "head of the long tail" was a current buzzword(s). What I meant was precisely what the Long Tail theory describes -- there is a small percentage of data that gets the majority of attention. The head, if you will.
- Richard
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Just for the record, I do like Coldplay too. I haven't listened to the latest album tho, but I like their older stuff. In terms of it being no surprise Coldplay dominates the tracks list, I agree. It's just as much a mainstream chart as Billboard, which was one of the points of my headline :-) What would be really interesting is to find out what are the top 10 tracks from people who...
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- Richard
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Suprising they not have an API for this very sort of thing? I guess they see the results as a saleable commodity in terms of advertisers and music companies alike.
- thomasrdotorg
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