Yes, apparently this is possible. Also, for iPhone Users outside the US, I notice that only one Google Voice app is available, as of, today in the App Store (this refers to the Ireland store but I presumes applies elsewhere in the EU and perhaps further afield too): VoiceCentral. Because none of the other (Google Voice) apps are available in the App Store I have a faint suspicion that VoiceCentral might just have been placed in a non US app store by mistake. So if you're non resident in the US, feel like using a proxy to set up your GV account, are an iPhone user and don't mind a couple of Euro punt on this app then, if I were you, I'd pile into the AppStore and get me a copy of VoiceCentral before its pulled by Apple. Enjoy and remember, if it doesn't work, don't blame me. For the record I've downloaded myself a copy but haven't yet attempted to try to set up a GoogleVoice account, I haven't even got an invite yet (There's a hint in there: if anyone can advise me, or help, on how to get a GV invitation I'd be very thankful for your help)
- JSLeFanu
from Bookmarklet
I set up a Google Voice account from Germany this weekend. I had to screen-share with a US colleague to get the initial registration done, afterward I used localphone.com to redirect calls. Voice Central works flawlessly.
- Lars Trieloff
Lars, thanks a million for the heads up on that. At least now I know another part of the picture for getting this done. I'm pretty jazzed at the thought of getting this set up. I'll report back on how I get on. Now to get one of those invites.
- JSLeFanu
How can Robert Nelson's public-knowledge reminder to rely on unnamed US-proxies to set it up, along with his fine print[*], be considered anywhere near useful? Lars Trieloff sez that "Voice Central works flawlessly," but what's the value of potentially-critical service which one can never know how long it may last? [^*] "fine print: if you choose to go this route only to have Google...
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- ianf ⌘
I did setup my Google Voice account using Hotspot Shield and forward all call to my sipgate.com number and I have a truphone.com US number that I linked. and I use my BlackBerry to control Google Voice and send/receive SMS
- zsafwan
This is purely academic enquiry in my part, but how many discrete steps were required (each moment of entering a site, navigating to a specific page, filling/ entering username/ password in a form, submitting/ registering, etc, counts as one step) for you to complete the GV registration, including any previous regs you now merely invoked in order to set it up? 100? 200 discrete steps? I wonder…
- ianf ⌘
ianf, I'm not very far down the road with this so I can't offer any real response to the issues you raise. I made the original post because I happened upon this article the same morning I spotted this GoogleVoice app in the Ireland App Store. Normally Apple don't stock apps for services not supported in the market of any given app store. SO for those of a "hacky" mindset I thought I'd just put the word out and attach the necessary caveats. I'm as interested as you are in the responses to your post.
- JSLeFanu
David, I'm not questioning any decisions any of you above may have made, I am merely trying to clarify certain usually-unmentioned things as much for others' sake, as for my own. I have not attempted this unofficial GV setup, and probably won't, because I have other, analogous experiences of past "bypass-ordinary-channel" services similar to that which seldom worked in the long run....
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- ianf ⌘
This article leaves out a significant part: If you don't have a US number you cannot complete the registration.
- Joe Breen
you can get a free SIP phone number from here sipgate.com
- zsafwan
Thanks so much. I got my invite today, and I am in canada. Crap. I can get to and sign up for it in Canada, but I don't want to spend the long discance charges.
- Zachary TG
Well I got my GoogleVoice invite today. Hooray! Hooray again that I grabbed that VoiceCentral app before it was pulled. Boo, I'm still not sure if I can get this to work in a practical way. I'm with a VOIP provider in Ireland and my package includes limitless free to the states, among numerous other places, but I haven't yet worked out the way, if any, I can get to use the GoogleVoice...
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- JSLeFanu
Ok, I give in. I'm now with ianf ⌘ on this whole gig. I can't tell anyone if GoogleVoice hacking is worth the trouble or not because I've got nowhere near getting registered. I tried the SipGate route. I made several attempts to fill out their online form but at the bottom of the page the CAPTCHA text wouldn't render. Of course I was using a Proxy, several different ones to register so...
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- JSLeFanu
But an invite is required... so...? Proxy is easy, just ssh into your US webhost.
- Paul Grav
Paul, thanks, I have the invite already and I got it using a proxy, that bit was easy. I only have the haziest notion of what ssh means so I'll postpone attempting that until my understanding catches up a bit. I suppose its possible that in practice the process "can" be as easy as Gadgetell portray, its just that in my experience it isn't. Maybe it would be a breeze if I knew more about this "ssh-ing" but I don't and Gadgetell didn't suggest any competence in ssh-ing" was needed.
- JSLeFanu
Well, if you have a webhost in the US, just open a terminal and type: ssh -D 1080 mywebhost.com Then fire up Firefox and change the socks host to 127.0.0.1 and 1080 for the port. Lifehacker has a more complete guide: http://lifehacker.com/237227...
- Paul Grav
from IM
What about the fact that international numbers are not accepted? I'm in Canada, and yeah, I had no problem signing up, proxy-style. However, it won't allow me to route my calls to my area code. I foolishly accepted a number in an outside area code (American) close to my locale, and now I'm stuck giving it a routing number that it won't accept. I think I should have waited and done it...
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- timedalkat
Paul, thanks for the tip, I really appreciate the info. I actually don't, yet, know how to do any of that. I'm posting from the phone at the moment but I'll be sure to check out the lifehacker link you provided when I'm back at the Mac. I might leave it a day or two to give myself a break because I got a bit pissed off with the whole process today and perhaps need a bit of a breather....
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- JSLeFanu
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timedalcat, you raise a good point and one that's already crossed my mind. Sorry to say I can't, yet, help you on this one. I'm not even close to being that far through the process yet myself and consider such concerns an extravagant luxury at this stage . My own local Irish number is with an Irish Sip service but I haven't even worked out how to configure GV (assuming I even make it...
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- JSLeFanu
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The article is crap, it basically tells you to setup a proxy but that alone isn't sufficient to setup a Google Voice account. During the setup you select a Google Voice number but you need to forward calls to your own phone, which will inevitably have an international number and only US numbers are supported.
- Paul Grav
I would think the simple way to get around any US IP address requirements would be to have someone in the US setup a TOR hidden service that points to the GV registration. It wouldn't have the same kinds of limitations as typical proxies. (I'm not the Robert Nelson of the article btw)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The Big Lebowski Last Supper! Characters from left to right: Nihilist #1, Nihilist #2, Nihilist #3, The Stranger, Jackie Treehorn, Maude, The Dude (as Jesus), Donny, Walter Sobchak, The Jesus, Bunny, Brandt, Jeffrey Lebows. http://www.lebowskipainting.com/
Douglas Hopkins queried me about the sources of my "intelligence" -- following are a few folks I pay attention to in trying to figure out what is going on in the world:
1. Aaron David Miller 2. Andrew Bacevich 3. Andrew Sullivan 4. Anthony Sampson 5. Anthony Zinni 6. Arnaud de Borchgrave 7. Avraham Burg 8. Brent Scowcroft 9. Chris Hedges 10. Craig Unger 11. Daniel Yergin 12. David Bromwich 13. Eric Margolis 14. Fred Kaplan 15. Gershom Gorenberg 16. Glenn Greenwald 17. Greg Mitchell 18. Jacob Heilbrunn 19. James Bamford 20. James Fallows 21. James Galbraith 22. Jane Mayer 23. Jeff Huber 24. Jeremy Scahill 25. Jim Kunstler 26. Jim Lobe 27. John Mearsheimer 28. Joseph Stiglitz 29. Kevin Phillips 30. Lawrence Wilkerson 31. M.J. Rosenberg 32. Michael Lind 33. Michelle Goldberg 34. Naomi Klein 35. Patrick Lang 36. Philip Weiss 37. Ray Kurzweil 38. Ray McGovern 39. Robert Dreyfuss 40. Robert Malley 41. Roger Morris 42. Samantha Power 43. Stephen Walt 44. Steve Clemons 45. Thom Hartmann 46. Tim Berners-Lee 47. Tim O'Reilly 48. Zbigniew Brzezinski
- Sean McBride
Thanks for that impressive list; are they all bloggers or systematically available on the web? I only recognize about 10 of them. Kurzweill, by the way, is brilliant but too deeply in love with himself to be useful any longer on anything but hardware. I'll sift through the rest, however, I do enjoy your fascinating flow of their ideas.
- Douglas Hopkins
Douglas -- most of their best stuff is captured in books via Amazon. Some of them are bloggers. Obviously I don't agree with all of them on everything, but they all have a gift for provoking interesting conversations on important issues.
- Sean McBride
When I started reading #1 and saw the name Aaron my heart leaped for a moment.
- Aaron deMello
Aaron -- I wish you would post more.
- Sean McBride
Aaron, such a compliment you receive from Sean McBride. If I may: "leapt" not leaped.
- Douglas Hopkins
You know what's funny Doug - I wrote "leapt" first but it looked wrong, so I "corrected" it. My strict British education and grammar is failing me! Sean - I need to post more too. Just a bit concerned given what I do for a living to post my actual thoughts on these subjects. Such is the paradox of being social on the web.
- Aaron deMello
Interesting class of words: English irregular past tenses ending in ''t'': burnt, dreamt, knelt , leapt, learnt, spelt, spilt and spoilt.
- Sean McBride
Many of the people who know most about some of the subjects being discussed on the net are forbidden by the laws of their respective countries from sharing what they know.
- Sean McBride
Absolutely. Not only by the law, but also by confidentiality agreements, and of course security classifications. I'd love for chief architect of China's Golden Shield to blog about it, but that's not going to happen.
- Aaron deMello
I once had a big argument with my children. I used learnt and they thought I was wrong and it was learned. Both are right. Sean, I saw your tweet and came here. I am glad I did.
- Dorai
Dorai -- also be apprised that split infinitives are legit. :) It took me quite a while to overcome my pseudo-pedantic conditioning on that hoary rule.
- Sean McBride
Just read again "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland"!
- Dimitar Vesselinov
Ever want to embed more than one video in a blog post but don't want to clutter the post? Check out embedr - it allows you to have one embedded object but as many videos as you want within the embed. You can also rename the videos, customize the player and do a bunch of other cool stuff. http://embedr.com/
"Juliet of the Spirits, Fellini's first color feature.... a kaleidoscope of dreams, spirits, and memories. Giulietta Masina plays a betrayed wife whose inability to come to terms with reality leads her along a hallucinatory journey of self-discovery."
- Ksana
"I'd also like to introduce my friend Shevonne, otherwise known as DC Femella, who will be joining us as a writer. She brings a wealth of writing experience as well as a ridiculous knowledge of anime and cinema. So I hope everyone welcomes her aboard! Anyway, despite all that's going on, Hollywood never sleeps and neither do I."
- Shevonne
from Bookmarklet
What is the Israeli justification for continuing to build settlements? Is it mostly religious? Just poking the Palestinians in the eye? Just curious....
I claim ignorance, but don't the settlers believe that the land they're building on is theirs from God and no government can tell them otherwise? Again, ignorance. Just what I always gathered..
- Mike Lewis
More like a kick in the balls, but that's just my take.
- jcunwired
the whole thing is about demographics. The Palestinians out breed the Israelis, a two state system with unrestricted migration would lead to the ethnic Israelis becoming a minority in their own country.
- alphaxion
Thank you Adam. That link was exactly what I was looking for. I still say the best way to bring peace to the area is to declare it New Tibet and let the Dali Lama rule it as an absolute monarchy.
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
Sorry to stir up that anthill. I was just amazed to hear that new settlements were still being created. I totally admit to being completely ignorant about the whole thing. I have no wishes for anything in the middle east except for peace, prosperity and freedom for everyone.
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
"Martin Scorsese, as ardent an advocate as there is for serving up film the old-fashioned way, has decided to embrace digital distribution for movies restored by his World Cinema Foundation. The films that the organization restores every year — often obscure titles like “Dry Summer,” a Turkish picture from 1936 — will now be available online through theauteurs.com, a Web site that calls itself a “virtual cinematheque.” Many will be free. And a partnership with B-Side Entertainment will soon bring the foundation’s films to Netflix and iTunes. The restored movies will also be broadly distributed for the first time to museums, colleges, festivals and film clubs."
- LogEx
from Bookmarklet
I was bummed as hell when you stopped hosting net@nite. I unsubbed from it, cause it made me sad. That's excellent that you now have you own show, I'll sub to you now and resub to n@n since it won't sad me, since you have your own show.
- Matthew DeVries
from fftogo
Same with Digg Reel, I watch it only when you or Martin Sargent are on it.
- Greg
Glad it's finally on audio. I'm just an old radio watcher at heart.
- Bill Edwards
I'll never understand why people go and pay to get stabbed repeatedly.
- Ghworg
Heheh...@Gworg I can comment on that. But it would be shocking. And NOT related to acupuncture. Then again, Pain for fun and/or profit is one of my favorite things!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
@Matthew DeVries, I'm actually a contributor on net@night every week! Re-sub, you'll love it! :)
- Sarah Lane
The same law has passed in the Vermont House and Senate; however, the governor has committed to vetoing it, and there's some doubt that there are enough votes to overturn the veto.
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
We didn't have the IA gay marriage on our radar until yesterday and we serve the gay wedding market
- Sally: gift wrapper
I think I'm at the breaking point when I need to actually check this show out.
- Pete Delucchi
Watch this show. Now. Period. You can get Season 1 on iTunes/Apple TV. We watched the whole thing in a two-day span. :)
- Louis Gray
it is one of the BEST tv programs to have comeout in a long time!
- chaz2b
Hey, is that Malcolm's father?...Okay, I just looked. It is. Cool. He's a good actor. I just LOVED that roller skating episode!! Still cracks me up to think about it.
- Dawn
"I don't know whether to be impressed or horrified." Ha!! LOL
- Dawn
same here. twitter was more easily digestible and less time demanding after all..
- George Tziralis
Yep - I was never a ff power user, but realized just yesterday that I hadn't looked at it in weeks.
- jeremy ettinghausen
Too much engineering not enough design/usability.
- Florian
Florian, you think usability of Facebook is higher? In what respect?
- Meryn Stol
Steve, what do you talk about on Facebook? Any interesting discussions?
- Meryn Stol
The conversations are better here. Engagement levels will always go up and down.
- Robert Scoble
Robert's right. Most people go through cycles of activity.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm really curious if there's ever some interesting conversation on Facebook. I never had "tech" friends there.
- Meryn Stol
Agree with Robert. FF use goes up and down for me depending on what else I'm working on. I hardly use Facebook. FF gives far more interaction for me.
- Kol Tregaskes
I've had both design discussions and technical discussions on Facebook. No idea what my family and old high school friends think of those...
- Jason Wehmhoener
Meryn: yes, there is, but it is all private. If you don't have the right friends you are locked out. Friendfeed is a much better place to be open.
- Robert Scoble
Friendfeed is quite a time investment. It's there for the broader conversation, which is nice, unfortunately, I usually only have enough time for the shorter one...on twitter.
- timedalkat
from twhirl
I spend the most time on FF on my iPhone, sitting in the bar at work supervising. When business is slow, I'm more active.
- Robert Hafer
Robert, I think that because of conversations I had on FriendFeed, I might have a chance of "friending" you and others on Facebook. Oh, the irony. :) Still, if I can befriend only FF regulars on Facebook, it's not very useful. I could as well talk to them on FF.
- Meryn Stol
The Facebook iPhone app isn't as easy to use IMO, when I'm at my desk it usually means I have bookkeeping to do and less time for social networks.
- Robert Hafer
Actually higher this week than prior weeks. It's a week by week thing.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I feel like I'm living on Friendfeed lately.
- Louis Simoneau
Mine is up again. I do have time for it. But in a way I'm a bit dissappointed about the amount of reactions people give on one another. If you're already a big name, people react (like I do now ;-)), but otherwise they stay quite.
- Ton Zijp
Just the opposite. I leave Facebook open a lot so people can IM me but most conversations happen on FF. Friendfeed is becoming more and more integrated into my daily work flow.
- Rick Bucich
For the most part FF is a waste of time. There are interesting stories and pics to discover though.
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
More friends are talking with me through Facebook since the new Friendfeed-like front end was introduced
- Pat Kitano
My only complaint so far about FF is that it's difficult to find friends who aren't solely interested in social media, startups, and interwebby-techiness. When I find someone on FF who actually posts about a VARIETY of topics rather than just the latest news on Twitter/FriendFeed/Facebook/etc, I'll usually subscribe to their feed outright.
- Ryan Garns
@ryan: I find searching for rooms on other topics that interest me and then browsing through the members is a good way of finding people talking about things other than twitter etc.
- Louis Simoneau
We're here, Ryan. Maybe we just don't make enough noise. ;)
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
My time on many things is down at the moment due to a mixture of work and some interesting side projects...
- Andy Davies
me too... see same stories multiple times a day i login. It doesn't keep track of what I've read and what I haven't.
- Sumit Chachra
I think everyone has reduced their FriendFeed activity recently. Although, that doesn't mean people have lost interest or love in FriendFeed for that matter.
- Nicholas James
I guess I experienced this emotion 6 months ago. I was spending 4 hrs or more per day on FF and without me even knowing that stopped happening. Because a lot of value of FF was overlapping with google reader, blogs, twitter, FB etc. I just went back to splitting my time between those services. It seems like to me that humans want separate spaces to experience / participate in fundamentally different things. Hence there is not much "natural or un-conscious" value of bringing every thing at one place..
- sameer guglani
Just to followup - I have also stopped going to FF after the new re-design. They seem to loosing identity
- sameer guglani
Great conversation here. I've been a FF user a while however; I've only recently been using more and more. FB got to a point of annoyance for me with all the stuff people send you. I'm finding more engaged conversation here on FF and Twitter yet, FF is much easier to track conversation thread. True it is more difficult to find people on FF but, I think I will reach out to everyone on this thread but, it would be nice to have the capability to create "interest tags" & FF recommend people.
- Jason Cronkhite
I personally would love one place to manage conversations in multiple web spaces/communities.
- Jason Cronkhite
Ryan there are lots of people who don't just talk tech. If I wasn't so lazy I would look up all their usernames ... Rahsheen, Akiva, Rochelle, Tad, Lindsay, Lindsey, Mona, Alex Scoble - pretty much everyone who is into the ffundercats: Johnny Worthington, Josh Haley, Mark Wilson ...
- Laura Norvig
I spend a lot more time than I used to on friendfeed, I find the community here is still more active. It's also more advanced. It's what I would like Jaiku to have become.
- Richard A.
Same here - 2009 has been a crazy, busy year for me - much less time on the interwebs
- Susan Beebe
yeah, been busy with that thing called real life
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Yeah, me too, you can kinda tell when I am not working full-time if usage spikes up :-)
- mandyvan
Me too. Switch laptops, work had me running ragged. Nothing setup on lappy. And when I said work ran me (us - team operation) we drove about 20,000 miles this month.
- Robert Couture
Friendfeed needs to begin working on recommendative filtering. Interestingness is only the first step (best of day etc). The work that the folks at flexpore are doing with the Flickr API is what I'd be looking at. What/who you like/comment and how can they analyze who likes/comment on similar items and how they can better filter their simple interestingness/best of day algorithm better for you personally. Enough content is here now. It's all about better finding it next -- well, that and search.
- Thomas Hawk
on FF is very difficult have a discussion if u are "unknown" (or not a blogger)... so i prefer twitter.. it's much more simple,faster and easyir have INTERACTION!! :)
- albybisy
Defining the right set of friends on FriendFeed is a great way to filter news. Thus, my FriendFeed time is time well spent. Saves me time actually.
- Mike Reynolds
I go in spikes. I think I'm fading a little, then I go on an FF bender for a night.
- Kamilah Gill
My time on FriendFeed is still robust, but more focused. I spend a lot more time on my professionally-oriented List ("Enterprise 2.0"). So often I'll miss the memes that happen during the day. The funny thing is that those e2.0 folks don't spend a lot of time interacting here, so it can be a bit one-sided. But as a tracking tool, I'm getting more value than ever from FriendFeed.
- Hutch Carpenter
I spend most of my time on Twitter nowadays. But I attribute that to the usefulness of TweetDeck.
- Winston Teo
Like a pendulum, I change between FF and twitter , increasing the last one by simplicity
- Juan Carlos Sánchez
Being a newbie, i'm not!! my bandwidth is done for, so i gotta wait till the next month to become active =)
- Praveen Vasudev
I am a teacher. I have just managed to get all my students to use Google Docs for papers and essays. Huge step for our Swedish schools. Anyhoo, I need more input, more constructive and crazy ideas on apps/tools I could use. Brainstorm! Pie to the winner of the wildest and craziest idea!
It doesn't have to be e-learning apps, just something wicked, easy, fun. Things YOU would have loved working with as a 15 y/o kid.
- "Jazzperous" Isaksson
I really want our school to use RSS. All assignments and announcements should be available via various RSS feeds. No excuse not to see them and notes home are automatic.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Christopher: Yes, I have been playing around with it for a while and it is fun. I also like http://www.faceinhole.com/us/. Too bad yearbookyourself.com is not online until summer, I had huge plans for using it in my teaching.
- "Jazzperous" Isaksson
Jeppe: not sure the ages of your students, for a great into to programming and building critical logic skills, checkout Scratch: http://scratch.mit.edu/
- Ryan Stanley
Ryan: Thanks for the ideas! I would love to set up Yammer, but it would be too difficult getting the email server/services to work properly with Yammer. Scratch looks really interesting though and I will have a closer look! Thanks a bunch!
- "Jazzperous" Isaksson
But you cannot force your students to use Google Docs. It is against their personal interests... How about a son of a Yahoo employee who is in your class? He might not like to use Google.
- TrafficBug
Jeppe - Evernote. This is a students dream app.
- Russellreno
Also when I was a kid I would have loved stuff like Google Earth/Sky and Microsoft's WorldWide Telescope.
- Jason R. Hunter
As a teacher, this was made for you and your students, and it's a lot of fun. The developer is a nice guy, long time friend of mine. Don't hesitate to contact him if you have any questions about using it. http://2d.e-asm.org/
- April Russo (app103)
@April, wow, thanks! Looks really interesting! I will check it out asap!
- "Jazzperous" Isaksson
i still haven't settled this internal debate i have with myself over nic cage: is he a bad actor... or does he just choose bad movie projects?
- .LAG liked that
Nicolas Cage was in Matchstick Men with Sam Rockwell who was in Frost/Nixon with Kevin Bacon.
- Thomas Hawk
.LAG, after watching Con Air, which most guys insists is a *great* movie, I'm going to say it's a combo of both. Ozer, this is hilarious.
- Admiral Anika
He gets credit for choosing Raising Arizona.
- Trish R
I think it's B. He was brilliant in Leaving Las Vegas and Wild at Heart and ...
- Patrick Jordan
Maybe his career profile is representative of that of the average guy in any field: a mix of clouds and sun.
- Micah Wittman
I think he just gets sent bad scripts period. He isn't on the A List anymore so no-one is offering him the good stuff anymore and he is only being sent the dreck. He has to pay the bills somehow so he is picking something out of the crap pile that he doesn't mind doing too much.
- Mark O'Neill
thanks @Anika, i think you're right. Con Air is great when you're a frat boy, living in a house that smells of beer, urine, sweat and puke...other than that, it sucked. .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
@Patrick: that's why i'm so unsettled on my opinion of this guy. on the one hand some of the movies he's in are so bad, worse than B-movies, that you get the feeling he's just there because he's having a blast getting paid money to do stoooopid stuff. and then he turns in oscar-worthy performances flicks like Leaving Las Vegas and Adaptation. he's enigmatic, for sure.
- .LAG liked that
@ LAG Maybe he's taking the MIchael Caine route - think he just admitted he took most roles for either money or location or both :)
- Patrick Jordan
@Patrick: then he's living a charmed life. traffic in make-believe and fantasy. see the world. work with beautiful women. make a lot of money. good for him! i'd apply for that job if i could.
- .LAG liked that
I'll settle it for you: he sucks shit, he was lucky to actually choose a few good movie pics
- sofarsoShawn
LAG i think he generally picks bad movies. Although having never seen him in an awesome movie the bad actor consideration is a valid point.
- Nicholas James