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Dear Google: Please get rid of this page. Just add a setting so I can say "always use Google Reader for RSS feeds." (Or vice versa, or an option to always ask if someone uses both.) I've been going through this extra step for years now, and I am really tired of it.
Karthick R, Alfredo, Vezquex: God of FF and 44 other people liked this
They want us to use the google page. It is really just spam.
- Mark Horne
If you use Firefox, BetterGReader extension let's you set a preference to bypass the choice.
- LogEx
I'm pretty sure there's a gmscript for just skipping this page. Then again, it's just another click ;)
- Maxamad (Amazigh)
LE, I might have to add BetterGReader just to do that.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
annoyed the hell out of me too, but then i stopped using greader
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I really wish they would kill it. I *NEVER* want to add a feed to my google homepage. I never go there.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Exactly, Rah. I've never chosen the Homepage option. Google knows everything about me, they should know by now that this page is worthless to me. And seriously, now with Google's profiles and centralized accounts, a persistent setting for this should be a piece of cake to implement.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Agree, always on the Reader! Great tool!
- John Tastad
Yes please!
- Summer
Agreed!
- Kevin Mohr
Feedly will skip this page for you ;)
- Mitchell McKenna
Does it, Mitchell? I have Feedly installed at home, but I haven't noticed. I use Chrome at work, though.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Google Homepage just isn't needed for anything. I wish they'd pull the plug on that thing.
- Matthew DeVries
that is why i use the google reader "subscribe" bookmarklet ;-) (edit: you can find it in your google reader settings)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Jandy: there is a preview of feedly for chrome. If you are interested, please send me an email at edwink@devhd.com and I will send you an invite.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Agreed!!
- Chris Myles
+
- David Bausola
it's like you read my mind or something!
- Loc
X-tra like!
- Smeerch
i use better greader and it skips this for me.
- Liz
Edwin, that's awesome! I'd love to give it a try - I'll shoot you an email.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Dragon Age can be summed up thusly: it's an MMORPG without the hassle and bother of the MMO part. Otherwise, it feels, plays, and acts as if it were.
TheIndustryStandard, Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF, Alex Scrivener and 3 other people liked this
Did you catch the dragon yet?
- Josh Haley
Make that sound dirtier Josh, bet you can't
- Matthew DeVries
Totally disagreed. Awesome game, but doesn't play very much like any MMO I've ever played...
- Internet's Tad
Honestly, it looks and feels like LOTRO to me.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Looks similar, but doesn't play or feel like it at all. Lotro is a pretty open world - very little zone loading. You can chose to do pretty much whatever. Dragon Age has a richer, more personal story and you have a lot fewer choices. Not nearly as much button pushing in Dragon Age - combat has a much more automatic feel to it.
- Internet's Tad
I'm just being obstinate this morning :D
- Internet's Tad
I just meant as an overall feel, Tad. You're being obstinate this morning!
- Akiva Moskovitz
WOAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Akiva Moskovitz
In stereo - Where available
- Matthew DeVries
Damn Akiva. Are you sure we're not like twins or something? o.0
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
Epic spookery!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Great systems presentation by Jeff Dean: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/project... (I especially like slides 23-35)
Sean Kelly, Bruce Lewis, Andres Montano and 114 other people liked this
really liked the numbers, much better than just saying "registers < memory < disk"
- Ertuğ Karamatlı
I liked this part: ---Users specify high-level desires: *“99%ile latency for accessing this data should be <50ms” *“Store this data on at least 2 disks in EU, 2 in U.S. & 1 in Asia”
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
really good document thx
- Nicolas Dufour
Don't just like it - read it.
- Hayes Haugen
I would love to see more information like this :) Ideas on where I should be looking (other than FF of course!)
- Susan Beebe
Interesting stuff. I'm downloading the PDF now...
- Tyson Key
FriendFeed update. Paul Buchheit wrote me and said he's been very sick the past few days. That might explain why he hasn't engaged the way we want. He also offered to do an interview with me to discuss the future of FriendFeed and what they are doing at Facebook soon. We're working that out, hopefully soon (but might not be until November sometime)
Mitchell Tsai, Bertrand Doux, alfred westerveld and 114 other people liked this
I don't know if that's a good idea for you, Robert. You might be better off making a clean break from FriendFeed.
- Bruce Lewis
Thanks Robert, that's great news! Paul, hope you feel better...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Bruce: FriendFeed=Facebook. So, I'm interested in what he's doing and I'm a big fan of Facebook's. Twitter needs some competition. The Fail Whale is getting to me.
- Robert Scoble
Another reliable update.
- ashish
I know it's a stretch but can we gather specific questions for Paul to answer?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
When other sites like twitter come out with new features, you want to be at the front of the excited crowd. FriendFeed will make you into that curmudgeon who's always saying, "So what? They did that two years ago at FriendFeed."
- Bruce Lewis
I guess the rusty wheel gets the oil...
- Cjay
Cjay: I've been working on this interview since before Facebook bought FriendFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
manielse: well, the interview isn't on 100% yet and now that I've talked about it in public who knows what will happen? But if it does happen of course we'll get you involved.
- Robert Scoble
Cjay: I might be a rusty wheel, but remember two things: 1. I put many many thousands of hours into FriendFeed before the sale, bringing my audience over here at great risk to my personal brand. Lots of "experts" like Mike Arrington told me I was wrong to do that. 2. I'm still here.
- Robert Scoble
OMGAWWWWW he still has "it"
- sofarsoShawn
oh im sorry Robert thats "The squeaky wheel gets the oil first" hehe, wasnt saying your are getting old or anything.
- Cjay
sofarso: I never lost it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
But yes I would agree that allowing and or resting your personal branding on a service thats based on a cloud application with it's roots depending on a social network model is very risky.
- Cjay
Cjay: actually it's not. It just looks risky.
- Robert Scoble
To those giving Scoble crap for being on FF, aren't you tired of that? You all have been doing that for at least a year. Enough. For us on FF, we'd love to see an interview, thanks.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Paul, get well soon
- Shane
Well, I'm done for tonight. Thanks you Robert for the chat...
- Cjay
Good luck for the interview, Robert and thanks for the update. Hope Paul gets better soon.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Thanks everyone. I'm actually not "very sick" though, just "kind of sick" -- it's mostly messing up my sleep.
- Paul Buchheit
from iPhone
be well!
- Laura Norvig
Chicken soup - but stay away from those soul books ;) Hope you're up to speed soon, Paul.
- Micah Wittman
Looking at the time-scale, doesn't that actually answer the question? You don;t wait THAT long to deliver good news or to debunk a false rumour that killings your platform (well, Zucks platform).
- Jim Connolly
Paul - sorry to hear that! (it's 2:30 am here, I can empathize with your sleep problem)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Eric, sorry if it sounded like I was giving him crap. That wasn't my intention. I think Scobleizer has a serious career decision to make: http://ourdoings.com/ourdoin...
- Bruce Lewis
The problem i see is that social network cloud applications seem to live in peoples heads rent free.
- Cjay
Hope you feel better, Paul.
- Kol Tregaskes
That will be an interesting interview, thanks for posting this update.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Can't wait for the interview!! Thanks to you and Paul for keeping us updated!!
- Rosemary Sorg
:?
- CW™
Robert, you will never leave FriendFeed as long it is here:)
- Patrik Johansson
+1 Patrik
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Robert, do you think Twitter is too unreliable or do you think the competition is healthy?
- John Cass
Feel better soon, Paul!
- Ruchira S. Datta
The walrus has eaten the oysters: http://bit.ly/nJrdl
- Michael Slattery
There was a lot of chatter about the future of FriendFeed this weekend. The short answer is that the team is working on a couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world. Transformation is not the end. Consider this the chrysalis stage -- if all goes well, a beautiful butterfly will emerge :)
Fabrizio, david beckwith, James Myatt and 242 other people liked this
What is transforming... FriendFeed, or the idea of FriendFeed?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Thanks for the update, Paul!
- Anne Bouey
THANK YOU!
- teh Dork Knight
Fabulous News :)
- Susan Beebe
Noticed the "leaked" Facebook UI screenshots and the groups blog post today, and both seem FriendFeed inspired: nice to see Facebook trying to bring the stuff we like about FriendFeed to a larger audience.
- Mark Trapp
To Robert Scoble: I told you so ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Sounds like they're adding some of FF's features to FaceBook. yay
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
Mark - got link?
- Susan Beebe
Thanks Paul :)
- ashish
Devil is in the details: "couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" == Facebook projects with FriendFeed-like elements == no work on FriendFeed itself.
- EricaJoy
Paul, FriendFeed rocks as Gmail does ;)
- Orlando Pozo
Thanks for the update, the more you communicate, the less we have to speculate.
- Peter Hoffmann
The fact that these improvements are coming to Facebook and not friendfeed will not sway those who like friendfeed but dislike Facebook.
- Alex Scoble
Thank you Paul for bringing "FriendFeed goodness to the larger world" -- THAT sounds awesome!!
- Susan Beebe
integration with facebook?
- Rocco Galluzzo
@Alex Scoble: That's true
- Jorge Escobar
I hope out of the chrysalis emerges an infested Kerrigan. That'd be awesome http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki...
- Ivan Kirigin
Thanks Mark, much appreciated... I'll check those out
- Susan Beebe
+1 Ivan :)
- Benjamin Golub
But we knew this was the deal the moment the full details of the purchase of friendfeed by Facebook became public.
- Alex Scoble
Yeah, I don't give a crap about Facebook. I want to know about FriendFeed.
- Rochelle
Is it the interface people dislike about Facebook or the people they're friends with on Facebook? I can imagine being able to import all your subscribers from FriendFeed and have them in a separate group that doesn't interact with other groups you may have on Facebook.
- Cristo
sadly, no one with any power seems to care about FF anymore.
- Joe Silence is not dead
I'm glad to hear this. I prefer FriendFeed to Facebook any day of the week.
- Nathan Clayton
And the answer for me would be some of both. I have real life friends and family that I don't necessarily want to get into the same discussions with as I do with people here.
- Cristo
And there's your answer, Rochelle. friendwho? friendwhat now? Oh, you mean Facebook! (No I mean friendfeed) friendwho? (rinse, lather, repeat)
- Alex Scoble
there are some ui differences (and i tend to prefer friendfeed in those cases) but i have friended quite a few FF people in FB and the experience is remarkably similar in many ways.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Another big difference is I don't think you get the same FOAF interaction on Facebook as on FriendFeed.
- Cristo
yep
- Jason Wehmhoener
I hope my FaceBook peeps are ready for the FriendFeed firehose ... past experience would say that they're in for a shock.
- Crutis
Thanks for the transparency on the Friendfeed "ghost town" matter Paul. Much appreciated.
- Alex Knight
Thanks Paul... bring the special sauce to Facebook: http://blogs.zdnet.com/weblife...
- Andrew
I like the "chrysalis stage" analogy - sounds cool.... goes an looks for FF goodness butterfly!
- Susan Beebe
Good to know that FriendFeed still has some fight left; hope that translates into a viable and sustainable platform/utility for the masses (though I quite enjoy the close-knit, uber-geek community that it's become).
- Christian
I don't like the chrysalis analogy. The butterfly emerges from the chrysalis and buggers off leaving the shell. Of course, it might then also get eaten by a bird. Tweet, tweet.
- Mark H
Mark LOL nice, ... haha
- Susan Beebe
Note that he didn't say that FriendFeed.com was going away, only that they're diverted to bringing it to a much larger audience
- Jesse Stay
The problem is Scoble (Robert) and MG both just sent half of FriendFeed away so most of those that would benefit from this announcement won't even see it.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I didn't get that from Paul's comment. I read that some of the friendfeed ideas will be going into FB. I like that idea, but I still prefer FF to FB because of the different conversations here that I don't have with friends and family.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Yeah, Paul's statement won't help friendfeed. This will just either give people more reason to go to Facebook or find another service entirely.
- Alex Scoble
What Alex and Rochelle said. This sounds like a "we're bringing FF to Facebook" announcement, and I don't give a damn about Facebook. I want to know what's happening HERE. And Cristo, both, but more the interface. I care about the friends I've made here, and I'm connected with many of them now on Facebook as well, but I prefer to interact with them here, because I like it better.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Travis, he didn't say that - you read that, but he didn't say that. I'm willing to bet FriendFeed.com will not go away.
- Jesse Stay
As much as I agree about Scoble and MG driving people away, they have also effectively flush out some comment from the FF team.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Travis, there are better ways of getting the FF team to comment
- Jesse Stay
:( I quite liked the caterpillar.
- Nick Lothian
I think it's the opposite, the butterfly is becoming this crawling caterpillar :)
- Jorge Escobar
Oh I don't think FF will go away, and damn will hope it doesn't either!
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
What I do see is more Facebook integrated into the FriendFeed environment - I think that's a good thing
- Jesse Stay
The critical difference between Facebook and FriendFeed is the social model. With Facebook as it is today, you need to be mutual friends to see each others content. There is a "fan page" model but it is oriented toward "publishing/celebrity" rather than information sharing. FriendFeed has an asymmetric model like Twitter, where you can easily discover someone's content without any "friend" gesture whatsoever, and you can follow without friending. This makes the converation more discoverable, and useful..
- Adina Levin
Agree Adina.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
If the integration is bringing public/asymmetric to Facebook, then it will be very useful indeed. If the integration is to add FriendFeed-style service integration into the symmetric/private Facebook model, it will be much less useful - it's more of the same - I'll be able to more easily share updates from youtube or last.fm or delicious to my friend network, but be unable to discover new people and infomation.
- Adina Levin
Adina: And unless Facebook goes radically toward that model, it won't suffice for me. I could not care less about their upcoming redesigns.
- Christopher A Carr
@Jesse - I can't see any sign that they are working on FriendFeed at all. All the indications are that the FF team is now working on Facebook, and only Facebook. That's great for Facebook, and I'm sure they will do wonderful work there. But don't delude yourself that FriendFeed is going to get anything more than critical fixes, and maybe the occasional thing done in someone's spare time.
- Nick Lothian
Butterflies look totally different than caterpillars and they also fly away
- Melanie Reed
Crickets chirping... is this site alive?? :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
+100 Adina. The things I like best about FriendFeed (easy content/people discovery, FoaF, asymmetrical following and being followed) are completely opposite to Facebook's core model. That's why as much as people keep talking about Facebook adding FF-like features, I don't see the REAL FF core features making it over, because the mindset is different.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I don't see this announcement as anything new, or as reassuring. We knew from the time of the acquisition that there would be would be some movement of FF capabilities into FB. The real question is whether this means absorption of FF into FB or attracting the FB user base into FF. The comment about "bring[ing] FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" still leaves that question open.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
+1 everything Alex Scoble has said. Friendwhat? What's a feed? Who uses RSS anymore? We've got PubSubWTFOMGBBQ now!
- Mr. Gunn
Agree with Jandy on +100 Adina.
- Amy℠
Also, I agree with Jandy and Adina's comments.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Nick, Paul just said they're working on other projects right now. That still doesn't mean FriendFeed is going away. I'm not deluding myself at all. I'm telling everyone else they're deluding themselves by assuming it's going away. All the FriendFeed team is still using FriendFeed, and Paul just tried to give us comfort not to worry. For some reason we all don't want to believe him. It's actually kind of amusing.
- Jesse Stay
I wonder what the powers that be mean by "FriendFeedy goodness"? Is it understood what WE like about it vs. FB?
- Amy℠
Paul - Wishing you all the best as you tend your new butterfly garden :) I'll be here to enjoy them!
- Susan Beebe
Jesse: "For some reason we all don't want to believe him." <-- Don't want to believe what? He didn't really say anything.
- Christopher A Carr
This is not the news that Friendfeed fans were looking for.
- Vezquex: God of FF
The issue isn't belief that they are going to do something. The question is what they are going to do, and whether that will continue the core value of FriendFeed, which is not just information aggregation but discoverability.
- Adina Levin
I know more about the "Last Days" and heaven than I know about what's going to happen to FriendFeed as we have come to know it than was given in your rather cryptic answer, Paul. :) And while that may not be a fair comparison (God actually gave details and signs), there is something definitely not forthcoming about your response. A person usually withholds details that affect another...
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- Melanie Reed
Melanie, in other words, Paul works for a technology company in Silicon Valley that doesn't disclose future features, products, and services until they are ready.
- Cristo
Hopefully this helps to quiet all of the "friendfeed is dying" talk. Because this thread proves ff is alive and well.
- Garin Kilpatrick
@Jesse - I read it differently to you. To me, Paul is saying "We are taking what we were working towards on FriendFeed, and trying to bring that goodness to a bigger audience". No one is claiming they are going to shut down FF.
- Nick Lothian
@Jesse - Want to make a bet on the number of new features added to FF before the end of the year?
- Nick Lothian
Cristo, to deliver some straightforward talk is not about giving away company details. If you have a product that is original and stands on its own, you don't need to refer to it as a "butterfly". Many companies even promote something new and upcoming especially to their loyal user base. It gives a signal. A proper one. It tells your users and future users enough so that they can make an informed decision about what they want to do instead of keeping them on tenderhooks
- Melanie Reed
"the chrysalis stage in most butterflies is one in which there is little movement" (via wikipedia) So if you follow that metaphor then eventually FriendFeed will go through a metamorphosis -- that means it's not dead... really how hard can it be to get what he's saying?
- Chris Heath
Its pretty hard :) The burning question is if they are putting FF goodness in to the walled gardens that are Facebook or are they bringing FF openness to FB too. I think the people here want the open forums that are FF not the closed ones that are FB. If FB is going hybrid with both walled gardens and open forums that would be OK too. People on FF want open forums... like Twitter and FF... without the crude interface that is Twitter and without the uncertainty that is FF now.
- Ed Millard
Facebook is gonna have to rip off much of the privacy to maximize their product in the real-time web world. I am going to assume FF goodness is going to be applied to FB :) *crosses fingers*
- Susan Beebe
Just a thought... why does "longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" JUST mean facebook.com? What I get from this is that they are working on a range of things, maybe bringing the FriendFeed sauce to a range of sites, powered by the Facebook back end. Who knows what that means. A FriendFeed service powered by FacebookConnect? Also to......
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- Johnny Worthington
LMFAO. Johnny++
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
FB needs to leave the privacy for the walled garden and the inner circle. Their current user base likes that. They just need a second feed that is an open forum and you can talk there without it bleeding in to your inner circle feed.
- Ed Millard
Seems like the inner circle is breaking down some now, what with parents and other relatives friending teenagers. I'm guessing the information posted on the walls these days is not as private. Is there a way on FriendFeed to limit what on your wall can be seen by particular people and groups?
- Cristo
Yes, but blocking doesn't work so well since you can just use Chrome's Incognito mode to get around it.
- Alex Scoble
Translation: if you haven't switche to Facebook yet, you better do it now so you can get a good vanity URL.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
I don't know what all the fuss is about. But could we have the long answer too, please?
- Laura Norvig
Although I'm interested, FB != FF. I don't see how the two mix in a way that makes me feel otherwise. Mixing audiences is not a good thing for me (with a few exceptions) and I know others share the same thought.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Did anyone notice that Robert Scoble didn't comment on this thread? What does this mean? Does it mean Robert Scoble won't exist soon? He must be working on a Monday afternoon, no? ;)
- Cristo
Paul, will FF be here in 1 year, 5 years?
- Robert Higgins
Robert, will you and I be alive in 5 years?
- Cristo
Thanks for the update Paul..
- Chris Myles
Cristo I am funking nobody, I would like Paul to quantify his post. Simple. Will FF be here in 1 year? Will FF be here in 5 years?
- Robert Higgins
Robert, I was trying to make the point that he might not know and can't predict what will happen over time.
- Cristo
IMO friendfeed shoud attract more general audience... Facebook and twitter are having more general users. Most of the FF users are tech bloggers or those who needs aggregation services... I dont know it's just my feeling or not . but this is my impression on FF. but it's great service.. the features are too good... but we will roam were we meet our friends... thats most of the people are into twitter and FB.
- Sarath
Sarath, is there a place you can get away from tech bloggers? :)
- Cristo
Ohhhh a perrrttty butterfly, I'm moist with anticipation.
- sofarsoShawn
Glad to hear it, Paul.
- WorldofHiglet
Cristo: i almost made the same observation an hour or two ago when i first read through this posting and its comments. I was skimming and kept seeing alex, alex, alex... and thinking to myself... where's Robert!?!
- Chris Heath
Great news. Thanks! friendfeed team. :D
- Bicentennial (Franc)
@Sarath - I have a lot more in common with the people I've met here on FriendFeed than FB or Twitter. Twitter is too hard to search, and FB (and Twitter to a good extent) is driven by the people you know in RL (and unfortunately I don't have nearly as much in common in RL with my family, co-workers and acquaintences as I do with people scattered all over the world who I have met on FF)....
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- Her Lindsay-ness
I think that in his cryptic statement he means, and a lot of people here agree with me, that more Facebook's going to get more FriendFeedy. Which doesn't mean that FF still isn't dead or doomed. After all, he works for Facebook now. FriendFeed=open forum, Facebook=walled garden, totally opposite master metaphors; but I don't think Zuckerberg gets it, and FF belongs to Zuckerberg now. So this is really about FB; FF's still in limbo. Still, some FF people friended me at FB, and I put them in a special list.
- Dennis Jernberg
@FF-team keep on rocking :). BTW I also think it's really cool you guys open-sourced tornado.
- alfred westerveld
+1 what alfred said, and good to hear words like "longer-term" & "beautiful" coming straight from The Walrus - keep that vision strong. Hope all goes well for FF team doing some good re-inventing the Octopus Garden of FB - seems you've got your work cut out for you there! It would be so nice if any way to keep a "simple & pure" form of FriendFeed alive (maintained and developed - more open source?) for us to enjoy, but no worries .... you've simultaneously raised the bar and paved the way for the rest!
- Dan Freeman
Good luck with the development Paul! Hopefully Zuck has some positive insight.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I like butterflies.
- Harold Cabezas
Paul: If someone offered me a bag of money to do what you guys did, I would have done exactly the same (probably a lot faster too). However, it would be nice if you spent an hour answering some of the questions here. It might also give people like me a little more faith, in what used to be your primary project; Friendfeed. You made the best platform on the planet - why not use it to let us know what the heck's going on?
- Jim Connolly
I'm assuming that Facebook wants to keep their roadmap quiet. I respect that but leaving you community in the dark for a brand that the applications stand for community building is rather ironic.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
SUPER!! I don't Blame ya 1 Darn bit fer Dumpin' FacePOOP Paul!! ;PPP Wait FacePOOP is the Maggot Stage!! ;))
- Billy Warhol
If I can still have all my friends that I have here on friendfeed and share things with them the exact same way, I don't care what "www" address I have to type in to get it. I just hope i don't have to give up any of FF's awesome features! Thanks for the update Paul!
- David Cook
The problem is I don't know whether to wrote an app on your API or not because i'm not sure whether it will all be dropped in the "transformation". Imagine speding late nights and weekends coding something up only for it to be dropped suddenly. Need a decent long term picture. Looking at Cliqset.
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
Good point Steven - and one of the reasons many of us are spending so little time developing our networks here.
- Jim Connolly
waiting....
- ffcode
ffcode: Good luck with that ;-)
- Jim Connolly
So the changes are at Facebook not FriendFeed, Paul?
- Kol Tregaskes
And good luck to all of your team
- Ozkan Altuner
from iPhone
This is a truly disappointing/concerning post and I think it would have been much better to hold comment until something more tangible could be discussed. Thanks for adding to the confusion/drama Paul.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
yemezler
- MobilAdam
I do care about what happens next, but this is the best news of the day nonetheless ! thanks for giving us updates at last ! and I do hope FF will awaken again ! such a great tool, but letdown since the announcement of the buyback by FB
- laetSgo
will I see this post in my "best of week" email from FF?
- Kirill Bolgarov
If Facebook is going to get fixed, please remember that it needs fixing politically, not just technically. It needs to give people the option to open their data to Google - for instance. A walled garden where the walls are fixed in place sucks.
- Tim Tyler
@Paul, or perhaps an Alien will erupt forth from its stomach? (kidding, kidding!)
- j1m
I can save him! - http://meme.yahoo.com/wrzl...
Harun Topuz, Ahmet Soyata, Telefunken and 173 other people liked this
This is epic!
- D. Eda Goze
from iPhone
FANTASTIC
- R_ C
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- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
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- Omer Ekinci
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- Burak Güven (Cimbakuka)
evlat psikolojisi her daim geçerli...
- zeynep
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- Okan Vardarova
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- Kol Tregaskes
wow diyorum!! şövalye ruhu diye buna derim ben =)
- utkan alp
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- Robyn Hawk
Love this video but it makes me a bit sad - the dog that saves him seems a bit freaked out
- Tamara
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- yağmur
Anladık kurtardın da ne diye taa oraya sürüklüyorsun ki hayvanı :)
- Yasemin
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- Ergin Eker
peki hayvanlara yapılan bu eziyeti izleyerek gülmek sizce ne kadar etik??
- meral bozucu
kısaca hayvanlara "hayvanlık" yapılıyor.
- Ergin Eker
lütfen bunu kaldırın burdan...
- meral bozucu
ben hayvanlara "hayvanlık" yapılıyor lafımı buradaki mini-görüntü için söylemedim, yanlış anlaşılmasın. hayvanlara işkence yapanlaraydı tamamen sitemim. hayvan savunucusu falan değilimdir ama tabii ki kimse işkence görülmesini istemez. :)
- Ergin Eker
Meral hanım: Gizle dersiniz olur biter.
- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
Ben ortada bir eziyet göremedim. Bildiğim kadarıyla pek çok köpek iyi yüzücüdür ve o yavrunun da hemen öyle 1dk'da boğulmayacağından eminim. Zaten yavru eğer batmaya başlarsa eminim ki o köpeğin sahibi elindeki video kamerayı bırakıp gidip hayvancağızı kurtarır.
- Kadirhan
ne eziyeti yav?
- decantee
gizlemekle sorun çözülemez Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu ortada bir sorun varsa bu sorun tartışılmaldır. kadirhan, boğulabilirdi!
- meral bozucu
köpekler doğuştan yüzücüdür diye biliyorum. yeni doğmuş bir köpeğe orası derindir ama kurtarılan köpek en az 3-4 aylık var gibi.
- Ergin Eker
o köpek boğulmaz merak etmeyin, ha saatlerce çırpınıp kenara çıkamazsa yorulup boğulabilir , ama o kadar
- decantee
Yapmayın Allah aşkına ya... http://alkislarlayasiyorum.com/icerik...
- Kadirhan
ha bu arada, sadece köpekler değil bütün hayvanlar (insan dahil) doğduğunda yüzebiliyorlarmış, daha sonra korkuları unutturuyormuş yüzmeyi
- decantee
bakın burda o köpeğin yüzme bilip bilmediğini tartışmıyorum. son derece güç durumda bir hayvanın sizin geyiğinize malzeme olmaması gerektiğine inanıyorum. ve bu videonun buradan kaldırılmasını talep ediyorum. siz hala 3ün 5in hesabındasınız!
- meral bozucu
3 mü 5 mi arkadaşlar karar verelim artık meral haklı
- decantee
Kaldırırsak nasıl tartışılır üzerinde ki? Bu gif (video) sizde ayrı etki yaratmakta ve başkalarında farklı. Bu konuyla alakalı doktor House'ın süper teşhisleri vardır.
- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
That dog DOES seem frantic. They were probably two blocks away when he finally stopped dragging the little one.
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
puhahaha
- decantee
Oyh meral troll çıktı, hemen bloklana!
- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
"3 mü 5 mi arkadaşlar karar verelim artık meral haklı" ahhahhahhaa
- Kadirhan
The @scobleizer is right, as usual, about Twitter lists and the end of Friendfeed. http://scobleizer.posterous.com
Daniel Rowley, Aram Zucker-Scharff, Captain Jack and 11 other people liked this
BREAKING NEWS: Colorado sheriff says criminal charges will be filed in 'balloon boy' case (MSNBC)
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O_o
- Derrick
Word?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I'd just like to know who is expected to foot the bill for shutting down DIA and having all that law enforcement out and about trying to rescue someone who didn't need to be rescued. ;-)
- Criz
The guy seems to be a piece of work.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
"Attic Boy" -- Bill Maher http://www.usatoday.com/news...
- Eric Logan
I TCP/IP but mostly IP
Darren Heydon, OnuRC, Andrew Speers and 167 other people liked this
Thanks to Ana and the FriendFeed team for the baby tech gear!
- Louis Gray
from email
haha Brilliant BRILLIANT!
- Zee.
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
- Mona Nomura
awesome
- Yolanda
How can you not Likey this?
- Charlie Anzman
Awesome! Got one in an Adult XL?
- Anthony K. Valley ©
:D Adorable
- Mo Kargas
beautiful baby
- johnpiercy
We've taken to calling Matthew "Bubba". This outfit, though still a bit roomy, is a 6-month outfit. He's just past three months. Hog.
- Louis Gray
totally freakin love it
- Dustin Harris
Get the outfit here: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts...
- Louis Gray
Best post title today.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
It's when you check for "packet loss" that there's an issue.
- Chris Brogan
"Technology doesn't solve everything - humans do!" ;-)
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Yeah, heart feels like it's smiling.
- michael sean wright
THAT IS FUNNY!! very cute indeed! IP ...ha, ha!!!
- Susan Beebe
Thanks for that - I needed a laugh this morning :-)
- Tim Chemacki
I am still giggling about this.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Hehehehehehe.
- Roberto Bonini
FFundercats moment of win tonight :-)
- mandyvan
I LOVE this.
- Mona Nomura
Oh holy crap. FFundercats hoooooooooooo!
- Akiva Moskovitz
LOVE
- Johnny Worthington
I tried to re-LIKE this. :-D
- Lisa L. Seifert
can we talk about a hand me down program for these shirts for me in a few months? :D
- sean percival
TCP/IP. What's THAT? *non-tech type here*
- Derrick
The source. I bow.
- Josh Haley
Derrick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Rochelle
What? This one is back? :-) Here is an UPDATE: http://www.thegrayeffect.com/2008...
- Louis Gray
This was raised from the dead in order to have you accidentally participate in the FFundercats Moment of WIN...
- xero
Tonight's ffundercat podcast "moment of win"
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Louis, do you listen to our podcast?
- Josh Haley
bad louis --retroactively
- Amber, Random Time Lord
:)
- Josh Haley
I have seen this in person
- Jesse Stay
the "technology generation" :) lovely baby!
- HollyHobby
Google Wave: Technologically it is impressive but the UI needs work. Email/IM/EtherPad/FriendFeed all work better for me. It also makes me feel like I have no control over it. When you are added to a wave you cannot easily tell who did it. You have to use playback to step through the wave one at a time. This feels like a spam vector to me.
Tomonori Murakami, Bicentennial (Franc), China Internet Rumors and 82 other people liked this
In that picture you'll see I've had to mute many waves to keep my inbox under control. I like a clean inbox. Since it is like email anyone can add you to a wave. But it's more real-time than email, a bit like IM, so it gets annoying. Imagine if anyone could IM you?
- Benjamin Golub
To me, it seems more like a proof-of-concept than an actual product. It has a long way to go before even early adopters embrace it fully which means it's beyond the horizon how long it would be before it begins to infiltrate the business space or the average user space.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm reminded of the way they handle Gtalk in the browser... sure, you can use it to chat with folks, but web-based Gtalk is nowhere near as compelling or refined as a good desktop IM client, at least IMHO.
- Ken Sheppardson
Oh, I disagree Ken. Gmail chat is the only IM client I use
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin, in the browser?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva: yup. I don't use Adium or Google Talk or anything like that. Just the little Gmail chat moles. I love it
- Benjamin Golub
Wow. You're the first person I've met who does that. I might give that a go if I didn't have multiple accounts which makes a client like Adium necessary as far as I know.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I use it too through GMail : no intallation required :) On my HTC Phone I use it too :)
- fwed
I only use GTalk through the browser too... I don't even know how to install the client. It's nice and clean, so why do I need the client? I'm in my GMail all day anyway.
- Her Lindsay-ness
This is correct, but it is a preview.
- Louis Gray
As for Wave, I think it's one of those things where people don't really understand how to use it effectively yet. We're all experimenting and trying to figure it out... when it becomes less of a novelty and more of a background to the way we communicate it will make more sense. But that's another reason it's in closed beta, to help Google figure all that out before they try to release it to people who aren't as willing to put up with the headaches of being the guinea pigs.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Oh, and one more thing... you can create folders to help keep your inbox clean. I just did that and it makes life a bit easier.
- Her Lindsay-ness
One of the cool aspects of Wave is the Openness of the platform. Don't like the UI? Write your own!
- Tom Raftery
Many IM systems are more or less open. Anyone can IM me if they know my AIM account. I can simply block them if necessary. It hasn't ever created a problem for me.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Yes Jason but in that case you know who IM'd you. In it's current state it is very difficult to tell who added you to a wave. I understand this is a preview and that other UIs can be built on top of it.
- Benjamin Golub
Is there an option to disable real-time-type? What if things were said that weren't meant to be said?
- brainno722 (Peter)
Benjamin, my take is that people are playing, pushing, experimenting, and that things will calm down eventually as etiquette comes into things :). And Peter, no one can see what you're typing or what you've typed until you add them as participants to your wave (if you're writing a wave solo), and eventually, the "draft" option will be enabled so you can also temporarily hide your typing on a populated wave.
- Adam Lasnik
Also Wave contacts are all of my Google contacts instead of just "My Contacts". There's a lot of people in there that I've just have random encounters with on mailing lists that I don't need in my wave contacts
- Benjamin Golub
I want a communications tool that lowers my anxiety, not blows it through the roof.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin, I remember people saying that about FriendFeed when it first launched
- Jesse Stay
that's my hope - that the Google Wave team can iterate quickly on some of the more annoying social issues like FriendFeed did
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jesse, that's a very fair point. I remember thinking 'but it just launched today and everyone's here talking about it, so of course it's crazy busy!' Same is probably true with Wave. Looking forward to low tide.
- Kevin Fox
Yeah - can't wait to see what it becomes. I'm also very interested in who (hint, hint) decides to integrate Wave protocol into their own products.
- Jesse Stay
"Email/IM/EtherPad/FriendFeed all work better for me" - I second that. I kind of wanted to try use Wave a bit like Friendfeed (as in link blog + discussions... it would come in handy as Friendfeed is censored here in China), but I don't think it supports that at all. Some people even got annoyed -- "I want to treat Wave as my email client -- don't share my contact details with so many...
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- Philipp Lenssen
Philipp, I fear that the learning period won't get us anywhere as there is no activity for which Wave seems better than other products. Twitter had a successful learning period because it had one initial purpose (status update) which was clear for early adopters and for which Twitter was obviously the "killer app". Later, the community found other purposes for which Twitter was great...
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- Jérôme Flipo
That's a very relevant point, Jérôme
- Stanislas Jourdan
IMO, there's a reason why we differentiate email from IM from document: not only because of technological evolution and limitations but because we want specific tools for specific activities. There may be some situations where one Wave is better than a combo of three tools but I think our long experience with old products will make difficult to change our habits: those habits are very strong as they've been challenged many, many times in the past.
- Jérôme Flipo
Can you give one purpose for which Wave does a better job than one or few existing apps? For this purpose, would you argue with your friends/co-workers to persuade them of Wave's superiority?
- Jérôme Flipo
@Jérôme: Sure thing. Having a long, complicated discussion about almost any topic. Our team has been using it for months internally as a replacement for complex email discussions, especially about design. Email threads of this sort rapidly diverge to total chaos as the number of participants increases. Gmail does its best to try and sort out the quoting context and such, but it...
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- Joel Webber
We've tried just about every combination of shared docs, wikis, bug trackers, IRC, IM, telephones, and VC that you can imagine. And the end result is that wave tends to work better than almost all of them. We even use VC a lot less now -- and even when we do, we usually use waves for notes, sharing code snippets, and such, because it's often better than projecting.
- Joel Webber
Joel, how is it different than an IM room?
- Todd Hoff
An IM room doesn't let you go back and edit anything. During design discussions using Wave, people reply to specific parts, and others use that information to edit the document. You've have to open two windows to get this effect with something like IM + Google Docs. This is amplified by the fact that with gadgets, you can have people drawing diagrams and other stuff inline. I've even...
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- Ray Cromwell
I would also keep in mind that Wave isn't just a client/app, it's a platform+protocol. There is no single email client. You have SMTP+IMAP/POP. Lots of people have built differing client UIs on top of this foundation. If you want EtherPad, you could build a client on top of the Wave protocol probably. You could also do IM too. I would look at Wave as more than just the web app, but try and imagine it as a foundation for Email/EtherPad/FriendFeed/etc.
- Ray Cromwell
Ray: I think that's a pretty important point. People are comparing Wave to "email". They're not comparing it to Outlook, or Thunderbird, or pine, or Gmail, etc. Writing off Wave because you don't like the current preview app is a bit like writing off "email" because you don't like Outlook.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken++
- Chris Heath
Ray that seems a bit like the juicy document mode vs thread mode wars in wikis :-) Thread mode content usually needs to be edited into document mode after a conversation has gone on for a while. Just wondering how you know where the document view is in a conversation? And by protocol that means stanzas for XMPP that encode different payload types and a GUI that knows what do with them? Standardizing that is a cool thing.
- Todd Hoff
@Joel: I see tons of reasons to use Wave (the product and the protocol). What I am skeptical about is late adopters' willingness/reflex to use Wave if they couldn't identify one obvious reason to adopt it during their very first experiences with Wave. I've convinced many friends and co-workers to use Docs in the past two years, but it was very hard: they knew it could be great, they had...
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- Jérôme Flipo
I think you could probably rewind history 30 years and say the same thing about email, Jérôme.
- Ken Sheppardson
The waves should work more as a document. Adhoc communication (chats) should be attached to the wave/blip and not be part of the wave itself. The chats should not only appear in the corresponding wave/blip but also at the involved contacts (chat history). this would keep all the noise off the wave.
- Alexander Rode
I'm still waiting on my invite. Grrr. But the way I really want to test it is as an internal communication system for coworkers, and as an alternative to a learning management system for online classrooms.
- marziah
Army of Darkness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
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currently watching
- Melissa
from Bookmarklet
Bruce Campbell is the best. LOVE this movie
- Melissa
this is a definite in my faves list, RAP. SO GOOD! :) hee hee
- Melissa
Love love love this movie. Love Bruce Campbell. Can't emphasize LOVE enough.
- Colette
"Hail to the king, baby."
- Joe Silence is not dead
Best...Movie...Theater...Experience...EVER!
- Alex Scoble
i preferred Evil Dead 2. *RUNS*
- Joe Silence is not dead
Google Wave crashes on beach of overhype: http://scobleizer.com/2009... my blog about Wave.
Iván Abrego, Susan Beebe, Hutch Carpenter and 57 other people liked this
I agree with you on this. Been playing with it in the dev preview and now in the released version and until I get people I know on there and reasons to discuss or collaborate then I don't see the value. The concept is excellent, the execution is excellent, I just don't think the product is what people are expecting.
- Keith Bennett
When I first saw the release video of Wave it was clear this wasn't something that would be for you to invite all your friends to. I'm surprised at your harsh review in such a fast manner -- you opened it up to the world of your "friends" to play in the sandbox -- but did you actually have a mission? You actually point out that this has great potential for group work. It's about...
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- Elaine Young, Ph.D
Writing off Wave at this point is a bit like walking into a hardware store, picking up a hammer, walking around the store looking for stuff to hit and declaring "Why would I ever want a hammer? This is a waste of time." For teams and workgroups looking to improve the way they communicate and collaborate, Wave might be a great tool. For others, not so much.
- Ken Sheppardson
Elaine: you are hoping for something more in depth? Come back in a month after things settle out and developers ship some real tools for it. Welcome to our real time world. Why do you assume that normal people will give ANY tool more than an hour before they decide whether it sucks or not?
- Robert Scoble
The amount of hype this thing got will NOT be realized by a collaboration scenario. I had this years ago with Ray Ozzie's tools. Geesh.
- Robert Scoble
since you dont have a use for it, can i haz your invite?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Oh, I'm not arguing that it's over-hyped. That's the nature of the real time social media hype echo chamber we live in these days. :-) That's not to say it isn't a cool tool. BTW, I really miss Groove. :-(
- Ken Sheppardson
I won't believe for a second that Google created Wave to be anything less than an entrance into competition with Facebook for mass users. Google does one thing very well for mass usage, Search. The other things are great tools and have a base, but this was a Social Networking play, disguised as a collaboration tool. I think Robert is right, this is NEVER going to match the hype.
- Patrick Boegel
I think you're absolutely right, Robert. I got my invite, all excited, signed up, added a friend, and.... *fizzle*... it's chat, it's IM, it's a bad twitter client... I hope it will evolve into something worthwhile.
- Jan Ole Peek
I always understood wave as the next evolution of xmpp - something google envisaged when they first got their hands on jabber. Something distributed merging the features of instant messaging, forum and newsgroup. It was not aimed at twitter or facebook, it was more aimed at some of the live features of Notes and Groupwise and forums. PS: the hype it got is the same as every time google...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I've been a wavesandbox user for months and today I got both my wave invite and as it just so happens I also got my threadsy invite. Suffice to say I'm much more excited about threadsy! Why? because it's actually helpful.
- Bob Stewart
It's clearly not a 1:1 replacement for email and its early yet. This platform is made for customization. As soon as the development community catches up with concern/demand then I think Wave will be far more refined and valuable as a productivity tool. I think it's way too early to say its overhyped but it certainly makes for a great blog title :) Have a great time out in HMB with Chase today.
- Jim Goldstein
How about that, you're absolutely right Robert.
- Peter Kruit
I think I mentioned a month ago that people were going to be overwhelmed by this and it may be too soon to launch to the public.
- Jesse Stay
This is one of those times where I'm happy to let the gang of 2000 beat it up before getting in.
- Stuart Miniman
You are in the gang of 2000. Sorry, Stu.
- Louis Gray
Imagine a Twitter network with five people on it, none of whom actually work on any of the same projects you need to finish this week.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Am I the only one who has been puzzled when people started saying "this is gonna be the new facebook/twitter"? I watched the whole 1.5 hour demo video and that thought never crossed my mind, nor did using it with dozens upon dozens of people at a time. The only things I saw them demo was a variety of tasks between a handful of friends or colleagues. Robert's right, when you've got a ton...
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- brendan
I didn't get an invite, so good.
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
pfff who needs an invite anyways...
- sofarsoShawn
Gee I wonder who overhyped it?
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I collaborate with others to actually do things. Yes, Wave is young, but damn! I see its potential and I declare it awesome.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Google Wave passes the twitter test. Lots of folks didn't get twitter (and still don't) when it first appeared. GW will follow a similar trajectory..geek early adoption and later mass adoption. I like it that people don't quite get GW which means that people will use it in multiple ways, as they do twitter. I project that it will live up to the hype much like the iPhone.
- Jim Posner
Or it'll follow the FriendFeed curve: a few geeks will get it, use it, become dedicated to it, it'll never see mass adoption, then the engineers will get recruited to work on other projects and the technology will just get folded into other systems...
- Ken Sheppardson
My understanding is the intent was to re-invent email. So I see the gmail population eventually ending up on GW. Google as a rule has had few bombs. Certainly the GW platform will evolve (filters) to address some of the concerns Robert has.
- Jim Posner
interesting review, i will have to check it out for myself! twitter(at)locspoc
- Loc
Can't wait to see how the users evolve ways of using it that help to moderate the wave. Appreciate the fact that Robert and others (some of you) are sharing this experience and these diverse reactions.
- Holly Rae, FFer
Agreed, Scoble. I don't see this as a good friendfeed replacement anymore.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
There is Etherpad and Zenbe ShareFlow. I would wait and see how GoogleWave evolves.
- Wins Fern
Nice to see you present some critical thoughts on this, and I must say that your comments seem very sensible! I would also like to point to services like Etherpad when it comes to real-time collaboration on documents, and I also think there seems to be (potentially) a lot of noise in Google Wave. It will be interesting to see though :-)
- Reidar
Million to one apple is half red, half green - Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news...
Elliott Ng, Felicia Yue, Maggie and 33 other people liked this
"The fruit's striking colouring is thought to be caused by a random genetic mutation at odds of more than a million to one."
- Benjamin Golub
from Bookmarklet
A weirdo like me. I love it!
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
I don't believe it's a million to one. I think the tree was Tongue Grafted in such a way that produced the apple.
- Captain Jack
wow, i thought that was photoshopped at first! :P
- Susan Beebe
I wonder if the seeds from that apple have a greater likelihood of producing trees that are also halfers.
- Dan Hsiao
My first thought was the same as Captain Jacks!
- Rachel Lea Fox
internet refills? - http://juliasegal.tumblr.com/post...
Hutch Carpenter, Violet Mae Lim, timepilot and 19 other people liked this
OMG! YOU MEAN IT RUNS OUT?!?
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Do you get a discount if you buy in bulk?
- Devon Blugh
from twhirl
Shake it a little bit and you can get some more use out of it. *tilts interwebs*
- Ayşe E.
LOL!
- Kol Tregaskes
Amazing interactive 360-degree panoramic view of the entire night sky | Mail Online - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...
Jason A. Samfield, Christian Hollingsworth, Lumino_GmbH and 100 other people liked this
"A new magnificent 800-million-pixel panorama of the entire sky has been unveiled online today. It was stitched together from 1,200 photos by astronomers at the European Southern Observatory from viewing sites in Chile."
- Benjamin Golub
from Bookmarklet
wow!
- Chris Myles
Oh wow. Totally resharing this, thx!
- Ayşe E.
You're not going to see anything like this in the Northern Hemisphere. This is only the night sky for those south of the equator. But it is cool.
- Nina Jansen
WOW!
- Susan Beebe
LOVE it!!
- Roshan Ramachandran
hmmm didn't supply a link in the article! Ahh its the Daily Mail, to explain to non-UK-ites, the Daily Mail is the UK equivalent of Fox News.
- Toby Graham
http://www.gigagalaxyzoom.org/ for the full thing.
- Otto
Also: High res download here: http://videos.spacetelescope.org/gigagal... (25MB). All images are better when used as desktop wallpaper.
- Otto
wow thats huge! 800 megapixels...
- Matt Ellsworth
Truly beautiful! Makes earthlings so small!
- Cool Wired
wow it's beautiful.
- Benjo Castillo
OK. I've got my wave sandbox account. Now what do I do?
Kamilah Gill, mahjongmi, timepilot and 21 other people liked this
lol, my sentiments exactly :)
- Zee.
it's not that great
- Paul Capestany
Can i be your new best friend. :)
- Don B.
It has a lot of potential. I think it will be a lot more valuable when there are people using it that we know and it is more than random threads we may or may not be interested in.
- Brian Sloane
I am still waiting on an invite. It could make terrific groupware. Wave has the potential to be disruptive in the collaboration space. But.. without a userbase and a use... it is nothing but a fancy demo.
- Dave Senior
I want one, too :(
- Lise
waiting for my invite :/
- lalo
invite plz. kthnx.
- Chris Blau
I can't wait to try it out! It'll only be interesting once everyone has access to it though - until then, it would be kinda like using Twitter without anyone tweeting.
- Brandon Shea
I guess Brandon and Dave are right, there can't be anything interesting about it until more people are using it.
- Robin Ramael
I'm waiting for my invite! Hope it will also come soon!
- Andre
I hope I won the Google Wave lottery in a week! 100,000 chances
- joebrooks
I found Jason Kolb's primer to be particularly helpful. My thoughts (http://siliconangle.net/ver2...) Jason's writeup (http://www.jasonkolb.com/weblog...)
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I would love to see Facebook (or another NEW social network) integrate with Wave. I think it could really change how people interact on the net. But for that to happen, someone's really going to have to bet big and I don't see that happening yet.
- patrick
As mentioned by others - definitely needs a critical mass of users to be interacting to test it's usefulness. SO Leo - how about one of those precious invites Please :)
- Matt Dell
You've got your Wave- so Wave at everybody.
- Brian O'Connell
I want to add you as a contact, what's you wave adress?
- Denis Dervisevic
Google Wave will only be massive if we all begin to make use of it, including us 'ordinary users' then it'll take off...
- Sandra Large
Yes Leo, invite us all to particapate then we can all judge its usefullness
- Sandra Large
What's your Wave ID? We can Wave together!
- Eric Geller
All I have is a sandbox but you are more than welcome to come play in it.
- Richard Bitting
Will be interesting to hear your opinion on it and whether you feel the lack of any purpose like a lot of people after their first play. I'm not hugely convinvced it will get much better once a lot more people are on it either.
- Lee Stone
You invite me, that's what you do.
- David Sheneman
Hop in the sandbox, Leo!
- Garmon Estes
i've had one for a couple months. don't know what to do with it
- andy brudtkuhl
I filled out my "sandbox approval application" where I (supposedly) just pick my username and should have my account ready to go in moments but never received any information from Google. I even e-mail whoever I could find with regards to Wave support and never heard back from them. It was very disappointing.
- Brandon Blattner
Awful Programming Advice - http://bramcohen.livejournal.com/69753...
Anton Yuzhaninov, Haris bin Ali, Vincio and 34 other people liked this
"Subclassing is not an end in and of itself, it's a technique which is occasionally handy. And I'll let you in on a little secret - I personally almost never use subclassing. It's not that I one day decided that subclassing is bad and that one should avoid it, it's that as I got better at coming up with simple designs I wound up using it less and less, until eventually I almost stopped using it entirely. Subclassing is, quite simply, awkward. Any design which uses subclassing should be treated with skepticism. Any design which requires subclassing across encapsulation boundaries should be assumed to be a disaster."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
I tend to agree, at least about the "subclassing is generally bad" part.
- Paul Buchheit
especially true in duck typed languages where you don't need subclassing for polymorphism
- Karl Rosaen
"Occasionally handy" sounds spot on to me. OO languages often lead people to overemphasize inheritance.
- Bruce Lewis
Subclassing seems to be necessary when you are using a library of third party components in a non-duck-typed language and you encounter requirements that one of your components doesn't support. Sucks when it happens, but what else are you supposed to do?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Meh. I disagree, but only provisionally. Subclassing examples are uniformly bad. Subclassing in practice tends to be bad because it's done either a) by newbs or b) by people who've not written lots of OOP, or c) by people who've never had to maintain anything. I've written plenty of good cases of subclasses, which turned out to be extremely handy. The problem with subclassing is that...
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- Otto
Otto++
- Claudio Cicali ♋
I think one should be careful to separate sub-typing from subclassing, and interface inheritance vs implementation inheritance, and also virtual dispatch (C++/Java) vs multimethods vs Haskell-style typeclasses. Subclassing as a notion is too broad to apply a brush with all the cons. Implementation inheritance, for example, is usually used to save delegation boilerplate and allow 'hooks'...
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- Ray Cromwell
I noticed that implementation inheritance is explicitly excluded from noop: http://code.google.com/p/noop/. I do find it amusing that the language which might have actually had the "best" design for OO programing was Visual Basic..
- Nick Lothian
Otto, I would use "subclassing User objects based on login method" as a good example of misusing inheritance. What if Users vary in other ways, are you going to create subtypes of each one? The login method should not determine the type of user, but should probably be its own object (with a generic login interface perhaps).
- Paul Buchheit
I think standard OODA principles (which are rarely followed) would advise against putting responsibility for knowing how to log in on a User object. Login code must typically be privileged and depending on security mode (sandboxed vs capability based) you wouldn't necessarily want privileged code inside of user, which is likely an object that has many consumers.
- Ray Cromwell
As much as I generally avoid subclassing, the one place where I used it most effectively was a Shape class that I wrote for a vector drawing program. I didn't have a Square class, but you can be damn sure that Ellipse and Rectangle were closely related -- the only difference is the Paint() method! And why wouldn't RoundedRect be a subclass of Rectangle?
- Gabe
I don't do a lot of OO programming, but last year I was teaching a python for linguists class, and we did cover OO some. I used an example of a bird class, with a subclass for penguins, in which the fly() method was overwritten. Is this example just as bad as the rectangle and square? Do people agree with the comment that a subclass should have all the same properties as the parent class (specifically that width = height for a square, but not a rectangle)?
- Robert Felty
Rob, I tend to think that subclassing is good for when you want to describe an object that's just like some other object, just with a few differences. Why write a whole new Square class? Just take a Rectangle and override Height and Weight to make sure they're always the same.
- Gabe
If I were teaching beginners, I would just tell them to not use subclassing. People learning to program should focus on learning to program, not learning a set of language features.
- Paul Buchheit
SICP agrees with you, Paul.
- Bruce Lewis
Would you teach them to use objects and interfaces?
- Cristo
Not to start with, but certainly before subclassing.
- Paul Buchheit
If you were teaching beginners, why would the word subclassing ever enter into their vocabulary?
- Gabe
I'd tell them to start with Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs :)
- Ray Cromwell
But Ray, that book uses a weird language, Scheme. Would you use a web site written using Scheme?
- Bruce Lewis
^Is that even possible? LOL did Scheme in freshman year, hated it
- LANjackal
The Syracuse University CS program used Scheme as the first course back in the early 80s. it was an interesting choice. They also used the first edition of Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, so that's probably why.
- Cristo
I'm still waiting for Ray's answer. If Scheme is such a good language for thinking about programming, would you use a web site written with it?
- Bruce Lewis
I think these days Python would be a good learning language, combined with a text like Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs using Python.
- Cristo
Article claims: "Taken literally, it would never make sense to make a full-blown class for such a trivial piece of functionality. There simply would be more lines of code taken up making declarations than could possibly be saved by convenience." That seems likely to be untrue if you have a program which uses a lot of Squares. So: the article's case seems pretty feeble.
- Tim Tyler
I like the book SICP not because of Lisp/Scheme, but because of the way it incrementally attacks programming problems. Truthfully, it can be taught using any language, although some are more concise than others, and stuff like C pointers and manual memory allocation obscure some algorithms.
- Ray Cromwell
Ray, I was trying to trick you into agreeing to use http://ourdoings.com/ but you didn't fall for it. Curses, foiled again.
- Bruce Lewis
Really, it's hard to imagine a better programming language for beginners than Python. In particular, Python programs do what it looks like they should do, and you don't have to waste time hunting for missing brackets or semicolons.
- Gabe
Paul, users are actually a good example because your users tend to not vary a lot from one to another in many ways. They always have the same fields, etc. Generally speaking, of course. Also, the login method is an important way to separate user types because different methods require different approaches to keep the user "logged in" sometimes, and also might require differing inputs...
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- Otto
from iPhone
@Gabe BASIC, COBOL, and FORTRAN? :) I think human beings being very visual creatures, and visual feedback providing pleasing stimulus, some language deeply integrated with graphics is probably best for first language, ala turtle graphics or EToys.
- Ray Cromwell
Ray: Python is also good because it doesn't have arcane syntax (like COBOL and FORTRAN). I agree that BASIC is a great language for beginners, but it's just too old. If you modernized BASIC, I think you'd come up with something like Python.
- Gabe
MIT recently switched to Python for their into programming courses (I think from Scheme). I like "Think Python" as a nice introduction to programming. Best of all, the book is open source (written in LaTeX) http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpy...
- Robert Felty
You can make a good case multiple inheritance is bad, but subclassing is such an integral part of OO languages like Java and C++ that I can't see any way you should avoid or discourage its use. You can argue when you should teach it to new programmers, but any experienced programmer developing any non trivial architecture or API should be making extensive use of it in the right places. Its a primary mechanism for code reuse, maintainability and consist behavior. Reference Cocoa, Android, Qt...
- Ed Millard
No one has mentioned Smalltalk/Squeak as a teaching language. These languages are very nice for teaching because of the way the runtime image is integrated with the IDE as a kind of persistent database. People can write code to tickle objects, inspect anything, and see immediate results. EToys is a classic example of what you can do.
- Ray Cromwell
I think a good amount of problems (with subclassing) comes from the packages/modules system and importing classes from other packages/modules creating on the long run messy dependencies between modules (and violating module isolation); I find Gilad Bracha's Newspeak an interesting take on this problem, you can read...
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- Marco Fabbri
Otto's example has a baked-in assumption that each user only has one login method, whereas (as FriendFeed shows) having multiple login methods for a given user is an advantage. If you subclass for login method, you make it very hard to support logging in the same user in different ways...
- Kevin Marks
tornado's auth example uses subclassing :) but actually, it looks like it's designed so, using multiple inheritance in python, you can mixin multiple auth types? http://github.com/faceboo... another reason why this issue isn't so cut and dry :)
- Karl Rosaen
Kevin: Not at all. You can have the same user with multiple login methods. That's the beauty of it. You're storing the login methodology separate from the underlying user in that manner. I've done this before, it works fine for any number of login methods, on all users. The one you instantiate is just which way they used to login that particular time. If they login differently, you...
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- Otto
actually, no, looks like tornado auth is intended to mix *one* auth mechanism in, but as Otto mentions, you could do this for the appropriate instance
- Karl Rosaen
@robert felty, thanks for the link to the open source python book. I'm learning more about it now.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
@lanjackal I'm a fellow engineer and number crunchers of almost 14 years. My coworkers are split between Matlab and C++ for default implementations. Three of us use both pretty regularly (although I lean towards c++). I prefer faster construction, flexibility, and execution of c++ and the libraries we've fashioned. Matlab has superior visualization tools but takes FOREVER to run anything intensive.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
The difference in creating Rectangle and Square classes vs creating methods to create square and rectangle in a polygon class is that in latter you do an Object Oriented Analysis first, rather than pushing your own limited knowledge of system requirements (like you think of a requirement for rectangles and squares but don't think about entire system) into design
- thequark
why haven't we seen a web series spoofing House, only with network administrators? It's crying out to be made!
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So, what would be the network admin equivalent of lupus? You know, the thing you always think it is, but it never is.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
browser cache? network congestion?
- Ha3rvey (Free hugs!)
DNS went down?
- Joe Silence is not dead
cleaning staff unplugged the OC3 to clean behind the racks?
- Joe Silence is not dead
DailyWTF gives idea apleanty.
- Roberto Bonini
IPv6 issues?
- Joe Silence is not dead
I'd say "user error", but it's more a truism than a cliche ;P
- alphaxion
It's gotta be something that's is a statistical rarity but we always think of anyways. The 'statistical rarity' part means user error doesn't qualify... =D
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I got it: hard drive needs to be defragged.
- Ha3rvey (Free hugs!)
hmmm a routing table error? "nope, turned out to be the DNS... how about this time? nope, user plugged a hub into itself..."
- alphaxion
You would have to dress up the racks to make them more sympathetic. Maybe miniskirts. Then you've got something.
- Todd Hoff
Someone must have cut their coax cable and used our token ring network as a giant radio antenna! (apologies to the daily WTF)
- mjc
Rather than pop vicodin every couple of hours, he has a Snickers and a Pepsi. The belittling of those around him would pretty much be the same as Dr House.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Fat guy with glasses or rail-thin misanthrope with goth/steampunk stylings?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Don't you mean Mountain Dew, Josh?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I'm flexible on the script, Tina. As long as his tagline is "MOOOOOOVE!"
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
He's always trying to get into his boss's pants. And he's his own boss.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
actually, the majority of netadmins I have met have been raging alcoholics (myself included... hmm, I wonder why most of the admins I knew were of this state >.< ). we have the social awkwardness to be a sherlock holmes type character (which house was).
- alphaxion
Mountain Dew! Mountain Dew!! Mountain Dew!!!
- Joe Silence is not dead
it could be a series of TV sendups... I've been honing an idea for homeopathic CSI for ages ;)
- alphaxion
Left brain, Right brain, and the other half of the story - http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2009...
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Let me say this: A computer programmer/network engineer/security engineer not using both brain sides are not worth to be hired. He/she needs the right brain to picture everything, and the left brain to actually get down and dirty with details. And the details must then be verified against the big picture by the right brain. And if there are something that's "not right" (call it a hunch,...
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- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
from fftogo
So, when I interviewed applicants for the IT position, I made sure that I tested the applicant's left *and* right brains.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
from fftogo
Include an MRI scan :-)
- Sebastian Wain
from iPhone
@Paul Minor comment: the href in the first link "risk and opportunity" is missing the "h" in "http".
- Chris Lasher
how do you know if someone is using both hemispheres ( though we all have both)
- amitava lahiri
@amitava: actually, you can't. Not unless you actually consider Sebastian's suggestion for an MRI scan seriously :-) That said, I made sure that I hand my interviewee real-life and simulated problems that require both logic and visualization to solve. Composing a set of such problems is not easy, but it's worth it: I can now easily prune 'paper-certified candidates' from 'the real deals'.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
from fftogo
I'm enjoying your blog posts. One benefit of no longer heading up a startup - a little more time on your hands?
- Laura Norvig
I just felt a disturbance in the force. Some geek just turned on some cool new code. Geeks who work on Labor Day are disruptive!
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Thats nothing. My 76 year old grandmother just friended me on face book
- Sherry Reynolds
That was me :) Purely a personal endeavor.
- Kevin L
How'd you know? :)
- Jeremy Felt
Kevin L is my grandmother?? lol
- Sherry Reynolds
LogMeIn now supports Chrome with their new appearance/update. It uses Flash!
- Jason Hansen
Jeremy: I have my sensors for new geeky developments out there and they are going crazy.
- Robert Scoble
Ha ha, antecedent fail on my part.
- Kevin L
Robert: It's good that those sensors are still working on labor day too.
- Jeremy Felt
yes i did add a new feature although it went live late last night - will make a post tonight or tomorrow about it
- Allen Stern
Holy crap, you sensed correctly. This week is going to be awesome.
- Jeremy Felt
Dave Winer and Matt Mullenweg are up to something: http://c.oy.ly/jfp6
- Robert Scoble
Allen: in http://cloudcontacts.com ? I have to go check that out.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that's awesome to see - it says something about how successful rssCloud will be if my theory is correct.
- Jesse Stay
It's pretty amazing. I feel about the same way as I felt when the NY Times RSS feeds came online in 2002.
- Dave Winer
Dave, congratulations - I'm doing a blog post about it now
- Jesse Stay
My brain's still on its 3-day weekend. Can someone briefly and clearly tell me what the big deal is? What is "rssCloud"?
- Craig Eddy
Ohhhh, ok. I just read http://rsscloud.org/walkthr... and it's becoming more clear.
- Craig Eddy
Jesse: yup, Wordpress.com has six million blogs as of May 2009 and is growing quickly, so that's a lot of blogs that just got RSS Cloud.
- Robert Scoble
LOL.
- Zachary TG
http://scobleizer.com/2009... is my take on RSS Cloud.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Are you going to be at the rsscloud meetup this week with camera in hand?
- Jeremy Felt
I guess Alex Conner of (Geekery For Rent- @gk4r ) and I are disruptive because we worked on a site that has to launch this Wednesday. :)
- Melanie Reed
Robert - great blog post - CNN are you listening?
- Susan Beebe
I got a quote and bought homeowner's insurance on Labor Day. Hey, GEICO was open so why not?
- Morton Fox
Jeremy: not sure I'll get there. Will try. Too much to fit into one week!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Cool. I'm thousands of miles away, trying to find a way to get audio/video. :)
- Jeremy Felt
Good disturbance it was indeed.
- Mark Mathson
Danny DeVito joins Twitter. Has the best profile pic and avatar ever. - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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hahahaa. his pic is AWESOME
- Melissa
How do we get him on FF?
- Brent - Long Live Rock
My nuts...THEY ARE ON FIRE.
- Josh Haley
OK, that's frickin' awesome. :-D Danny DeVito is the man.
- Jason Huebel
ROTFLMAO! Somebody add DannyDeVito++ to http://capitalismplusplus.blogspot.com/ QUICK!
- michael silverton
lmao
- Jay Martin
:))
- Shandiz
alsome(TM)!
- Micah Wittman
Love Danny's first Tweet. Has anyone else ever joined Twitter with such a cool tweet? *head bows in awesomeness*
- Mitchell Tsai
Silly, unnatural!
- FFTornado
ahahaha. That is brilliant.
- Addy Osmani
Some of us (me, @heykim, @thanatos_rises, @drslimpepper, etc.) are wondering if this is the real Danny DeVito. @heykim: "where is SHERIFF @Alyssa_Milano when i need her :)"
- Dennis Jernberg
@Danny_DeVito already has a faker: @Danny_DiVito (note variant vowel). @juliryan outed the fake.
- Dennis Jernberg
ROFL
- rowlikeagirl
Would you buy a used car from Danny DeVito? No? But his nuts are ON FIRE.
- CannonGod
Danny Devito is only getting better with age. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia is one of the funniest things on TV. The entire crew brings it.
- sean808080
Danny Does Twitter...More Danny, More!
- Michele Lorito-Chase
LoL Danny D is classic
- Alonzo Hayden
from iPod
ahahahah he is crazy :)
- Oğulcan Selçuk Akbulut
love it when a celeb get it. what a riot
- Warren Whitlock
Brilliant. :)
- Patrick Jordan
Great twitter avatar!
- Diego Barros
How to build cheap cloud storage (67 terabyte 4U servers for $7,867) - Backblaze Blog - http://blog.backblaze.com/2009...
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Amazing level of transparency and detail about their custom storage servers. HN discussion at http://news.ycombinator.com/item... (discusses why this is appropriate for backup, but perhaps not generic storage needs)
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Put me down for two.
- Jason Shellen
45 drives per unit and many units means they must be constantly replacing failed hard drives - just due to the sheer quantity of them in use
- Jacob Old
It wasn't entirely clear to me from the blog post what you have to do to replace a drive. Looks like at minimum you have to remove the unit from the rack, and I don't see any drawer guides or similar to assist with that. And do they have to take the unit offline to replace a single drive?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Geez. Back in 1998, Microsoft was bragging about their 1 TB cloud... :-) Millions of $ then I think.
- Mitchell Tsai
One happy Backblaze customer checking in.
- Russellreno
sounds neat - now what to do with 67 TB of storage...
- Matt Ellsworth
Seriously Matt! Lots and Lots and Lots of video? HD video!
- Rick Cogley
So, they store their data "securely" in Palo Alto? That makes me scared.
- Jonas S Karlsson
Quoted from blog- "Backblaze Storage Pods are building blocks upon which a larger system can be organized that doesn’t allow for a single point of failure." They have indicated an amazing amount of cost savings.
- Wins Fern
$117k for a petabyte of storage. Wow.
- Nicholas James
Petabyte schmetabyte.
- Rick Cogley
Mitchell: I don't think 1TB was "millions of dollars" in 1998.
- Steve de Mena
Nice idea. Pity that it only supports a HTTPS interface, not surprising at that cost though (the software that runs the filesystems on the NetApp and other devices isn't exactly cheap to write). Anyone see if they quoted transfer speeds? I'm wondering what impact the four SATA cards each with SATA multipliers on them has when it comes to access speeds.
- Russ
Steve: according to http://www.littletechshoppe.com/ns1625... disk cost ~$0.08 / mb in 1998, which comes out to >$800,000 for 1 TB or just over a million bucks in todays dollars. so maybe not millions, but a million!
- Karl Rosaen
Russ: It runs Debian. If you were rolling your own (and they don't sell these units), you could turn on NFS or some other protocol (CIFS, iSCSI). They only use HTTP because it's cloud storage. NFS license is a major expense on NetApp, but all the major Linux distributions can act as NFS servers, CIFS servers, and probably iSCSI targets.
- Andy Dustman
Andy: I know that you could do that on them but it leaves the problem of what to do with the storage. You could merge the 3 volumes into an LVM VG but the performance could become an issue with any load on it. It seems I wasn't the only one to question the performance, while the views of a Sun engineer aren't exactly unbiased it does highlight some of the downsides: http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archive...
- Russ
Russ, great find, thanks.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Fascinating article; but more questions: "In rough terms, every time one of our customers buys a hard drive, Backblaze needs another hard drive." -- so what happens when a drive fails; how much redundancy is there? What happens when a meteorite destroys the whole building; is there off site backup too? (I know this *is* the off-site backup, but still...) I wonder how much data flows in and out over time. Maybe I should just read their website.
- Rob Fisher
Rob: they mention using 15 drive RAID6 volumes that can lose up to 2 drives before failure
- Mike Chelen
The worst part about this cluster design is the fact that I couldn’t shut up about it for the first couple days after finding out about it. It was the solution I proposed to every problem. There were complaints.
- A Mitchell
IMO RAID6 is not that great. Granted, it's highly unlikely to lose 3 drives at the same time, but there's still possibility. Besides, for write-intensive app, parity calculation is quite time-consuming. I personally prefer RAID 10 (striped array of RAID1 pairs). Yes the effective usable space is less than half total capacity, but for backups -- which will sooner or later be used to restore something -- I prefer data integrity over usage efficiency.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
from fftogo
IMO RAID6 is not that great. Granted, it's highly unlikely to lose 3 drives at the same time, but there's still possibility. Besides, for write-intensive app, parity calculation is quite time-consuming. I personally prefer RAID 10 (striped array of RAID1 pairs). Yes the effective usable space is less than half total capacity, but for backups -- which will sooner or later be used to restore something -- I prefer data integrity over usage efficiency.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
from fftogo
Google, Gmail experiencing downtime around the world (Back Online for Most) - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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ahhhhh, panic.
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
from IM
chaos :o
- MafiaX
Down for me. Damn.
- Robert Peña
Same here...eep!
- Jonas, Leper of FF
Why the big panic? IMAP is still working for Gmail.
- Sparky Crocker
@Sparky majority of people don't use Gmail via IMAP
- Zee.
yes, but in case of emergency it's good to know
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
from IM
Its down in korea :-(
- Mel Buckpitt
grrrrr
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
it was acting funny a few days ago, actually.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Updated
- Zee.
Welcome to the cloud and it's future. :-)
- Debi Jones
Gmail down = break time for everyone! c'mon!
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
from IM
What I meant is welcome to the cloud and YOUR future in it.
- Debi Jones
So far...I'm working an hour late thanks to this.
- CandaceWerry
updated - back online
- Zee.
back online - but i'm waiting to hear the story
- Naor Mark
Wiggling Their Toes at the Shoe Giants - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
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Last year at Bumbershoot, I did a ton of walking in Nike Frees and -- maybe the shoes contributed, maybe they didn't -- I got a mild case of plantar fasciitis. I still like Frees, but I try not to spend all my time in them. (which to be fair to the shoe, is generally not recommended anyways.)
- Andrew C
@April: My bf ended up buying Vibrams after talking to you about them at Bindu's party. He really likes them!
- Jess Lee
I saw someone where those shoes yesterday at the Ninja Warrior tryouts..I don't know..they looked like they wouldn't give very good arch support...
- Anna Lynn M.
after stubbing my toe today while barefooted i wonder if the the Vibrams help protect against that at all?
- Chris Heath
Anna, I think the idea is that your foot has muscles and that "arch support" is actually harmful because it causes those muscles to atrophy and no longer do their job.
- Paul Buchheit
Still, with our modern shoe-supported feet, I don't think it would be wise to go headlong into more barefoot-style shoes all at once.
- Andrew C
Yes, start easy. Luckily, I've been wearing flip flops for years, so my feet are already good :)
- Paul Buchheit
I prefer to remain barefoot as much as possible - always have done as a kid... I met a guy wearing this and they looked weird for some reason :S
- alphaxion
"Silly to proclaim the death of RSS while instead using technologies that rely on RSS." Yeah. http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archive...
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"I don't use gasoline anymore. I fly everywhere instead."
- Dave Winer
"Electricity is dead. I have toast every morning with my eggs."
- Dave Winer
We don't need farms, I get my fruit at the super market. (Actual statement by someone that said we didn't need more water in the Central Valley. It works here.)
- Rob Fahrni
don't need electric for toast and eggs ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I love the "X is Dead" linkbait tactic. Just need to find the next thing to proclaim dead. How about Free? e.g. "Free is Dead"? or "The Long Tail is Dead"? or "The Black Swan is Dead"? or "The Tipping Point is Dead"? Mmmm...tasty.
- Elliott Ng
Who cares if consumers use the technology, it is still a vital link from source to consumer.
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
http://twitpic.com/frvuy - He says he's Kung Fu Panda
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Nope. He's cuter.
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
skadoosh!
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
What's going on in there? LOL
- Adrian
Go in Master Alton!
- Carlos Ayala
Been my experience that the brightest, most creative (and fun) kids can all be described as weirdos. :)
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
Then again, I'm biased since I love Mr. Alton. <3
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
:)
- timepilot
Guess who visited us tonight?
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What the crap is that? A fox?
- Rochelle
Skippy!
- Glenn Slaven
No—a PAIR of foxes :)
- Glen Campbell
Specifically, California Gray Foxes
- Glen Campbell
Wow. We don't have those things here. Well, we do, but they're in the zoo.
- Rochelle
Hold tight. I'm coming over.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Damnit, I didn't look at the larger pic, looks just like a baby kangaroo from the small picture
- Glenn Slaven
Note that this was AFTER we'd opened the back doors and turned on the fan
- Glen Campbell
Hey at least it wasn't Internet Explorer.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
It feels like I'm on Safari!!!!!!
- Glen Campbell
[dead]
- Akiva Moskovitz
Wait, I *am* on Safari!
- Glen Campbell
*dead* @ Rochelle
- Derrick
If you go on Safari for the purpose of getting a Fox onto a Leopard, what does that make you?
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
As the various members of the animal kingdom prepare for the battle with humans for the planet, the recon efforts are increasing dramatically. It used to be limited to squirrels and birds. Also we will soon see an increase in attacks as they begin a coordinated test of our defense weakness points.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
They're beautiful!!
- Ayşe E.
Akiva who touched you?
- sofarsoShawn
Rochelle: maybe not in the city, but we see them down here in the sticks from time to time. Coyotes, too. In my neighborhood. (keep kittehs indoors, ya know?)
- Bren, Photophobe
from iPhone
We had coyotes around where I grew up (N. Snohomish County) and cats had to be indoors a lot because of it. The wildest animal we have here is raccoons.
- Rochelle
x_x
- Anna Haro
We just have coyotes and raccoons in our backyard. Those are pretty!
- joey
Those foxes are behaving. Do not upgrade them.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, only because they have no add-ons.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Fooooooooooox on the run.
- Mellissa Jane
Akiva, blame the platform. Foxes on FrontPorch is rock solid.
- Micah Wittman
I guess when their ratings are down, Rupert Murdoch just sends the fox right to your house. That's one way to make sure you see it. Let's call one of them Glen Beck.
- Pete Delucchi
Amazing!
- Rutger Blom
from iPhone
Pete, don't insult the animals. :p ;) They're so cute!
- Helen Sventitsky
So sweet! I adore foxes!
- Ladybug Heather
wow, cool !! looks like you've got an adopted Fox family there hangin' out on the deck chair! :)
- Susan Beebe
Wow. I would be totally scared & thrilled at the same time I probably wouldn't be able to find the camera.
- Ton Zijp
A good place for a little sleep.
- Desirade
So cute it hurts
- Nadine Schaeffer
reeeeeeeeeeeediculous amounts of cuteness
- metalerik
This was the screen size of the first-generation Macs. (no not the thumbnail. Click on it! :-)
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Ahh memories. Ahh, fatbits.
- Kevin Fox
i remember that
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
I like how they couldn't use spaces in the menu, and, if I'm correct, couldn't have sub menus (which is why FontSize isn't in the Font menu)
- Mark Trapp
I like how 'OK' was 'Okay' and before that it was 'Do it' but, in the Chicago typeface, it was too often misread as 'Dolt'
- Kevin Fox
Mac was also the birth of 'rounded corners' (albeit they rounded the screen, not the windows)
- Kevin Fox
Haha, I remember "Do It". Noticed the Goodies menu: they kept that, or at least third parties kept it going, well into System 7.
- Mark Trapp
can't handle... looking at this on my 17" macbook... can't handle... too tiny!
- Rachel Lea Fox
A few other things we take for granted: MacPaint could only have one document open at a time, the window was *not* draggable or resizable, and every single one of the patterns at the bottom of the screen were awesome wonders, full of possibility.
- Kevin Fox
Rachel's screen has 13.16 times as many pixels as the original mac, and each pixel is much sharper and comes in 16 million more colors.
- Kevin Fox
I always wondered how they were able to pull off detailed imagery like this example: the mouse wasn't exactly precise.
- Mark Trapp
Fatbits! http://media.arstechnica.com/staff...
- Kevin Fox
Oh God, they really used fatbits for that? Man, I'd hate to be the guy who had that job. I was thinking a super secret scanner prototype or tablet.
- Mark Trapp
Also, these images were done by Susan Kare, who made most of the original Mac iconography. She was amazing.
- Kevin Fox
Susan also created the original Mac fonts. http://www.kare.com/portfol...
- Kevin Fox
Amusingly, I had no idea until looking through her portfolio just now that she also made several graphic assets for Facebook. :-)
- Kevin Fox
Ah the ⌘, found by Kare from a Swedish road guide or somesuch.
- Mark Trapp
Huh, she apparently did Windows Solitare, as well.
- Mark Trapp
Yeah. And some iconography for Win 3.1. Funny how her Windows work sucks when the rest is so beautiful.
- Kevin Fox
Highcontrast
- Mehmet Fatih YILDIZ
Is that a MultiFinder icon I see on the top-right?
- Gabe
The Apple literature always had these kind of graphics to show off the computers. My fav was the Apple 2GS ad with Mona Lisa in 256 color.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
I got through Social Work school with one of those!
- Melissa R. Weintraub
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