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Thomas Hawk
My 16,000th Photo Uploaded to Flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
My 16,000th Photo Uploaded to Flickr
16,000 down, 984,000 to go. - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
Not long to go! - Andrew Trinh
And what a fine one it is! Congrats - Michael Fidler
it'd definitely going to take me a while to get to a million. I'm publishing about 200 photos to flickr a week right now and at this pace it will take 92 years to get there. I'll get the pace up to 400-500 a week in the future though. Better technology should make processing easier and someday my kids will be grown and I'll be able to quit my day job and focus on this even more. The best photos have yet to be taken. - Thomas Hawk
When I think about this I realize your best days are ahead of you. - Russellreno
That is a great photo - Darin aka iGoByDoc
What's your shot/publish ratio? I mean, on average how many shots do you take to produce those you publish? - Yuval Atzmon
atzmon, I probably average about 2,000 shots a week that I shoot. And I'm probably processing 300 or so of those a week at present, so I'm probably keeping about 15%. The other 85% never get processed and are kept in my archives. I'm trying only to process and publish the shots that I think meet a certain quality criteria. - Thomas Hawk
You upload a lot more than I do. I have about 40,000 pictures but only about 2000 uploaded. Mostly because I have not gotten around to processing more. =) - Jauder Ho from twhirl
Wow and Congrats!! - Vox
Dude, you're a machine. - Zee.
Jauder, the good news is that processing will only get easier in the future. I've watched it get better with each successive Adobe release. Lightroom 2.0 is the best processing tool yet. It's not necessarily faster per se though because with more tools there are yet even more ways to tweak a photo hence even more time. But the tools to speed things up are coming too. auto geotagging, better anti dust tech, faster processing speeds, easier online tools with faster broadband are all around the corner. - Thomas Hawk
16,000 ?? Yikes. Cool number. Congrats. - Charlie Anzman
big numbers don't mean squat - Ivan Pope from twhirl
big numbers means someone (Thomas) is dedicated to his art. He is pretty talented as well! - Michael VanDervort from twhirl
Perseverance furthers. - Michael Markman
This photo is total awesome. It is made even more awesome by the knowledge that there are 15,999 more photos just as awesome as this one. EDIT: This photo is now my desktop background. :) - Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Congrats! - J. McConnell
beautiful, congrats! - Carmen
Awesome!! Keep going Thomas!! beutiful work... YOU are such an inspiration... thanks! - Susan Beebe
congrats Thomas! - Shey, Jamaican of FF
Damn that is all kinds of awesome. - Mattb4rd
Wow, quite an accomplishment! - Jeff P. Henderson
Great job Thomas. Keep it up. - Andrew Smith
Congratulations.. keep going! we'll be watching :) - Juan Pablo González
Congratulations Thomas! - Holger Eilhard
Congrats & cheers TH. Your images confirm, you are, indeed, sui generis. - Dave Martin
Beautiful shot! Congrats for achieving this landmark! - Muhammad Ahmed
Amazing image ,,, TH ... - johnpiercy
Always loved that quote " The best photos have yet to be taken. - Thomas Hawk" - johnpiercy
Congrats, I even don't think I took so many photos in my life. :) - Ferhad Fidan from fftogo
@thomas: Yahoo should be giving Flickr to you for free. You'd do a great job with it. And it would be historical: the first user-generated (company) acquisition :))) - Alberto D'Ottavi from fftogo
Beautiful!!!! - Rafael Montilla
awesome!! - Rhoda Meek
For 1M images you could do a multi-part movie (1080p) miniseries averaging an hour per episode. - Jay Cuthrell
wow from last year, I'm almost at 29,000 photos uploaded to flickr now. - Thomas Hawk
And only 971,000 to go ... :P - Rene Wirtz
That's Awesome! - John Holzer
Keep 'em comin' Thomas! - Charlie Anzman
I guess the metier of 'photo editor' is kaput...or, at least, greatly altered.... - Chris Gulker
You know they are going to delete your account without warning once you hit 999,999, right? :) - Ace
Ace, I hope not, I'd be so pissed. Actually I think alot of what gets me so upset about all the content/account deletion issues is that I really do worry that it actually will happen to me. Flickr staff hates me and they'd *love* to delete my account. I worry that I'll wake up one morning and everything will have been nuked. I suppose that's why I'd like to see them enact the ability to... more... - Thomas Hawk
Holyshit! You have taked just couple of photos... - k00pa
Why your flickr page says 28,974 items ? - k00pa
Because this post is from September last year k00pa :) - Simon Wicks
@Chris Gulker. Someday I hope to work with a photo editor. God knows I need to. I like to think of my Flickrstream today more as the raw material in a lot of ways for future projects. A good photo editor adds tremendous value to shaping a photographer's imagery. - Thomas Hawk
Alp
Our new app! "ffScheduler", you can post scheduled entries to FriendFeed, try it now: - http://ffscheduler.com
Our new app! "ffScheduler", you can post scheduled entries to FriendFeed, try it now:
You can post images and mp3 files, post your entries to multi-groups via your account! It is beta, for feedbacks use: http://friendfeed.com/ffsched... I developed and @hmert designed the ui. - Alp from ffScheduler
awesome, but feels a little late :( - mjc
Why do you use 2nd level domains for your apps? - Alex Kapranoff
@alex what's your suggestion? - Alp
I would probably use smth. like fftoolbox.com/ff<tool>. - Alex Kapranoff
Alex, I think this is better... Do you care about domain costs? - Ahmet Alp Balkan
@Alex, this domain is perfect for this tool... - Hüseyin Mert
Great!! - 4hmt
To get single sign-on via common cookies. Also, to give your users an impression that you have a whole toolbox. - Alex Kapranoff
I think that's trivial since we don't use cookies and don't need to impress users with other tools .:) - Ahmet Alp Balkan
works like a charm. thanks ;) - İbrahim Uzun [ j ]
You DO use cookies for login sessions. (I mean that I see your site is using it). - Alex Kapranoff
Alex, I think it is our choice, eh? - Alp
The choice of domain name is of course yours that's why I asked about the reasons behind it :) I thought that it's an uncommon scheme. Single sign-on would still be handy. - Alex Kapranoff
I think someone will use it. ;) - Ahmet Alp Balkan
cool application. thanks :) - tevfik bülent öngün
This is a fantastic service, particularly for corporations and large PR departments! Would be great to have a similar service for Facebook Fan Pages, esp. since FB now owns FF. - Johns Hopkins
tevfik, you're welcome :) - Ahmet Alp Balkan
@Johns Hopkins I hate this news but it has been already sold :( I can't imagine about future of FriendFeed since it is completely irrelevant when compared to facebook. - Ahmet Alp Balkan
This service was awesome a month ago when I first found it. Thrilled that you've worked out the bugs and that it's live now! Congratulations! - Chris Aldrich
@Chris, yes we proceeded to FF-API v2 and solved some problems with sponsorship :) - Alp
One easy and useful feature to add, would be a character counter (or countdown) so that those who cross post to Twitter or who broadcast out via SMS can keep track of their post length for it's appearance on other services. Again, this is one of the most useful tools in all of social media! Thank you again. - Chris Aldrich
very cool! A bookmarklet or a firefox extension in the works? - Mitchell McKenna
Nice one! Well done! - Rutger Blom from iPhone
Awesome! - Bilal Gül
Craziest FF tool ever! - Barış (beyn.org)
@Barış, thanks :) - Alp
Interesting, thanks! - Robert Scoble
@scobleizer, LOL, have you sent this comment from ffScheduler? You must be sleeping :)) - Ahmet Alp Balkan
Can this be trusted? - امیر؟
@amirapt2, It is safe to use. we don't store any passwords or something like that. - Ahmet Alp Balkan
congrats! - Murat Ozoral
a powerful tool for ff users, congratulations! :) - İdris Cin
Nice Tool, will give a look... thanks' - Bill Masson
Johnny is going to love this. - Josh Haley
I made a schedule to send a message 1000 years later to tell the world that 1000 years ago a gentleman booked this message. brilliant... I'm not going to die. - xiawinter
ahmet bu sana!!!!! http://ff.im/6BR6E bir bakarmısın?? - Umut ÜNLÜ
burada da yayımlanmış : http://feedmyapp.com/p... - Goktug Okan Oguz
Excellent! Congrats, Alp! - Evgeni Leshtanski
Great UI for a service that is nice to have. Thank you. - Vezquex: God of FF
@Alp: I see a slight bug (?). My Timezone is GMT+7, but when I 'connect' ffScheduler to FF, the time display that actually matches my local time is GMT+6. My guess: You forgot to factor in DST - Pandu ● IT Optimizer
Leo Laporte
I left Twitter for Jaiku. Then Jaiku left me for Google. I moved in with Pownce but it died. I went back to Twitter, but flirted with Plurk, Identica, and Rejaw, and even tried doing it myself with Laconica but it was Twitter I really loved. Twitter finally broke my heart so I left it for Friendfeed. Now Friendfeed is leaving me for Facebook. No...
It's like the internet version of Days of Our Lives - Jon, the Beartato of FF
HAHAHAHAHA.... - David from IM
Haha. ROFL - Roberto Bonini
is friendfeed going anywhere or will it just get better? - Craig Shipp
I'm with you Leo. - Oracio
It reads better than Soap - my roadmap is very similar but I'll forgive FF and live happily ever after with it (for the time being, anyway) - Nicholas Paul Gordon from iPhone
You're the best Leo. Canadians are the funniest people. - Dan Lessard
I'm betting they'll slowly digest it into the Facebook news feed. They claim that Friendfeed is staying put for now, but that won't last. - Ken Bauer
And we keep following Leo all over the place! - Robert Scoble
Long live Leo - Randy Pollock
When will we all get in a long term relationship and stop getting our hearts broken? - Nate Pilling
so what is more important, the medium or the people, hope that FF will let us export our content, and our social netork :) (in my wild dreams) - abdellah
Need ice cream? I'm new to FF, and kind of sad I didn't jump on the proverbial wagon sooner! - Elizabeth K. Barone
I hope you leave your standard breadcrumbs so we can find you in the next chapter of social interaction. - jcunwired
Feels to me like maybe it's time to go back to building a distributed network, rather than hopping from service to service. - Ken Sheppardson
But where to next? That's the question. Wave sounds great, but the implementation will be a PAIN. So where? Oh LeoMoses...where is our path in the desert? - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Sounds like a hurtin' country song in the making. - Bill Rodman
The wave of the future is wave - Randy Pollock
Well you can't say that what is happening in the 'social sphere' is boring by any means! - Matt Cassem
I think Leo's audience is more likely to click "Like" or "comment" than Scoble's is. When Leo and Rob are both posting on FF, Leo gets more likes and comments - Mark
Didn't you leave a post earlier saying how funny it was that people complain anytime there's a change (referring to the FF buyout)? This sounds like a complaint to me. - Fleagle
Not complaining - just thinking about the future. I think a little Friendfeed DNA will vastly improve Facebook. And I think Facebook is already the big winner with the general populace. I also think we geeks need a corner somewhere else to hang out in. - Leo Laporte
And I have no plans to leave Friendfeed. Yet. - Leo Laporte
Yet being the operative word..... - Roberto Bonini
sounds like a country song to me - gavin
As for this geeky alternative, http://a.tinythread.com/ just showed up in my feed this morning. Thoughts? - Craig B.
I feel more of a personal connection with the FriendFeed team than I have with other services I've left, and that will be a big part of why I will stay as long as possible. - Louis Gray
^^^ replace "team" with "community" and there's my reason for sticking it out. - jcunwired
Its also going to take a very long time to go through content and bookmark/store it elsewhere. Evernote is going to be used heavily in the weeks to come. - jcunwired
The only way to have control is to use your own URL - Craig Shipp
Wait till you meet Facebook's randy cousin Overly Friendly Book =) - Cynthia Yildirim
what Louis gray said. I'm going to hang around until the lights go out. - Jordan Brock from BuddyFeed
What they said, I don't see any reason to leave FriendFeed unless something actually changes that makes the service worthless to me. - Craig B.
And many times you cheated Twitter, she was always loyal to you. Thats mean someting! - Jacque from f2p
yup me too Louis and I don't know any of them - Thomas Power
Plurk's not worth leaving anyone for. - Rachel R.
Leo, I think you need to change your FaceFeed status to "It's Complicated" ;) - Daynah
Play this thread off, keyboard cat. - Fleagle
You have to go back to your blog. It still loves you Leo. - Dave Winer
Screw you, Friendfeed! - Andrew Leahey
Users today are investors too - only the 'exit' for us is not lucrative.... its the other way sometimes :) - Mrinal Desai
I just had the idea: wow, how good will Faceboook become though this input? (JUST imagine tagging ppl in FB the way U can Tag them in FF.) - oliver gassner
Love Stinks. - shelter watch
I'm quite surprised that you could keep track of all that! - Robert Alex
Leo Laporte listed his relationship as: "its complicated." - Randy Shapiro
Damn thats complicated - drmacintosh
Don't worry Leo, its not you, its them... - Steven McGurn
so where do we go now? - Brian Appleby
I agree with Jonathan Hardesty "It's like the internet version of Days of Our Lives" - And sites keep getting killed off only to come back to life a month later! - Amy Flynn
very true, however on the other hand, we are getting closer to that one service which everyone will be on... and I dont think twitter is going to be that one - Bryce Campbell
Facebook buying FriendFeed is like having to MOVE just when you got your house all dressed up and made into a comfy HOME! I don't feel like doing it again! - Arleen Anderson
Now that Facebook and Friendfeed have married, I'm waiting for Twitfacefeedplebospacening. - Anthony Marco
You all just have ants in your pants :) - Jeunelle Foster
Leo, u by your self made two companies (services) out of 3 famous and made Google interested enough to buy 2 of them (Jaiku & FF). Google also tried to flirt with Twitter as well. So which one u choose now? Cause we will follow u :P - Sam Ehsan
Sounds like some of my past love affairs. Of course, I'm married now. That, um, was prior. - Paul Chaney
lmfao, its so true leo, so true! - Derek Bender
Feeling a bit worn around the edges? ... me too! - Susan Beebe from iPhone
Speaking of Days Of Our Lives: Didn't that show jump the shark when the serial killer was unmasked as Marlena (a character I used to have a mad crush on, and who's now mostly a professional victim)? Then all the "killed" characters came back to life, since they were only what I call "soap opera dead"... - Dennis Jernberg
And if everyone follows you, then your all having affairs all over the place! LOL - Sandra Large
I think it's back to the TWiT Army! - Paul Salzman
It's not like we have proposed Healthcare reform, or anything really important, going on in the U.S.A. - Steve de Mena
it's getting ridiculous, FEDERATED is the word! - Dobromir Hadzhiev
who is actually leaving FF? have many people vowed to do so yet? I'd like to but there isn't any alternative. - Denise Young
the joys and sorrows of everyday social IT folks... :-) - Thomas Lee
People are talking a lot about Streamy today. Might be an alternative. - Caio Cesar
Streamy seems to be crashing left & right tho. - Rick Cogley
Not to mention Pownce was shutdown as soon as it got good! - Kenneth Reitz
No mention of Microsoft Vine? - Robert MacEwan
yep. welcome to another episode of; As the Stomach Turns. one big soap opera. - Scratch5150
I've decided I'm not going to tell ANYONE which site I'm favoring... not even myself! I swear! As soon as I decided that FF was my new place (a couple months ago) THIS happens! It's like magic, but in a bad bad way... - Mark Jepsen
Why do we all assume this is a bad thing? Maybe the FF Facebook combo will be better?? - Craig Shipp
Maybe they'll keep both open -- FF is the open side, and FB is the closed side. - John Flinchbaugh from IM
Social Networks are sluts? - TheDiva Rockin
It sure is. - Jason Hill
I know exactly how you feel. What's a person to do? I am mad at Twitter for suspending some of my accounts. First, the accounts kept causing the password to reset, then they were suspended, all around the time of the DOS attacks. All I ever used Twitter for was to advertise my businesses, and for fun. Now I don't know where to go. - DogPatch
Here's some thoughts on what's going to happen:http://kennethreitz.com/blog... - Kenneth Reitz
It's like my beloved Archie comics romantic twists from childhood! Archie loves Veronica who loves Reggie who loves Betty who loves Archie... ;) - Shawn Zehnder Lea
More like "As the worm churns" - Houseofmax
한글 와서~ 루거 .. 당신은 정말 잘 생기고있다 누드 사진 기다리다 :] - HealingBrush
One of the funniest sad stories I've heard in a long time... - Aviva Gabriel
Gotta find one who is a lady in public and a whore in the bedroom. One who looks like a woman, but thinks like a man. One who tells you you're the only person in their world and worships the ground you walk on. One who's from Venus but want's to live on Mars. One who you know will always be there even when the chips are down. One who looks like a movie star, but doesn't bust the credit... more... - Jan Simmonds
I think a lot of people LOVE to think negatively and don't want to think positively. They think FB is BAD and will ruin FF, but I think if they do it well, FB won't be the bad guy. I think most people who are irked about this are irked because they think the FFers "sold out" to the "man". - Mol, Santa Claws
@Mollyanna - I disagree. I am irked because the future of FF is completely uncertain. It's more likely that FB will let FF flounder and close it down than it is that FB will invest time and resources in maintaining and enhancing FF. FB has other interests and is splitting up the FF dev team. That does not bode well for FF. I don't begrudge the FF devs for taking the money. I would be... more... - Lindsay
Leo, I hope you mention FriendFeed in your Dubai TED talk ! :) I'll try to be there ! - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
@Jan You're an asshat. - Ian Wright from BuddyFeed
leo, check out Streamy.com. I'm actually commenting to friendfeed from there right now...you may like it better. - Casey Petersen
looooool =)) - ★amin.m★
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that was cute! :O) - Jeanne
@ian - "Wordsmith. Public relations undergraduate at The University of Texas. Feminist Capitalist. WordPress geek. Future commercial rights attorney"...surely that kind of asinine comment is beneath you! - Jan Simmonds
Maybe they're just not that into you. - Elizabeth Johnson
Wait... who's on first? - Michael Rosenau
Logged in to suggest that many of us have tridden a similar path, but a lot of people have beaten me to it! I miss Pownce - SpionKopRed
wow, Leo. You've got relationship issues! - Justin Bradshaw
there there, Shawny's here... - sofarsoShawn
I sense a pattern here.. maybe you always seem to go after web2.0 services that are bent on ditching you :) - Shivanand Velmurugan
Josh Liebster
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. - Bertrand Russell - http://origin.reddit.com/r...
Kristine Gray
Twin Tuesday: Bed Time Means Tossing Animals - http://www.thegrayeffect.com/2009...
Thomas Hawk
Jack in the Box - Coupon - Two Free Tacos from Jack in the Box - http://coupon.jackinthebox.com/coupon2...
Jack in the Box - Coupon - Two Free Tacos from Jack in the Box
Wait, what? - Derrick
they taste pretty good if you're drunk. - Thomas Hawk
I don't think I'll ever be able to get that drunk, man. - Admiral Anika
None near me, unfortunately. - Morton Fox
Wow, it's amazing just how much these /don't/ look like the picture. We had 10 of these last night. Yes Thomas, we were drunk. - Matthew Horton
My husband is crying. - Alix Whitmire
... and I already ate lunch. *headdesk* - Jennifer Dittrich
Bec Rowe @d0tski
Would really like a Social Scope invite :D
what's Social Scope invite - yapee
Yapee: Read about it here: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009... - Danny
Would still really like one!! - Bec Rowe @d0tski
please @ghozali here :) - Andy Ghozali
*need* Twitterberry is teh suck :( - Bec Rowe @d0tski
i please have a social scope invite? - Danilo Palermo
Me first! - Bec Rowe @d0tski
Don't think it works on my 8707- "This application requires the following modules, which are not installed: net_rim_bbapi_stringpattern and net_rim_xml_org" :( - Bec Rowe @d0tski
been waiting for one of these for a while now - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I'm still waiting. - Gregory R
Can I get one, too? Pretty please? :( - Connie
Kol Tregaskes
"Ooops they did it again! No, not the Britney Spears fan club! Google did it again...stealing Microsoft's thunder by rolling out Wave, their new communications and collaborative during the same week Microsoft debuted Bing, its new . Google Wave is what email would be like if it were on steroids! It is a little of everything all mashed up into one big giant framework. Wave is part email, IM, calendar, Twitter, wiki, spreadsheets/docs/presentation, picture sharing, social media, forums, maps and just about everything else on the web, but the kitchen sink!" - Kol Tregaskes from Bookmarklet
A nice round-up. - Kol Tregaskes
Kol, i sent u video link that day of Wave demo. Saw it? - Roshan Ramachandran
The long video? Yep, thank you, eventually got to see it.. Really eager to try it now though. - Kol Tregaskes
This is a serious game changer for a lot of reasons. FriendFeed is very uniquely positioned to take advantage of this, as are the OMB servers (identi.ca etc). The implications for search are huge. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
maybe its time for microsoft to throw in the towel, Google are simply streets (or waves) ahead in everything they do - Neil Ashworth
I've said for some time that microsoft has fallen too far behind in the software market. They aren't the innovators anymore and need to embrace the path that they started on when they started buying into media companies. Google has the upper hand in software and they continually beat Microsoft at the marketing game. Microsoft should have realized long ago the power of giving away software in order to control the nature of the user's experience. Google has that control now. - guruvan (Rob Nelson) from f2p
Thomas Hawk
Finally getting my Chicago photos organized for processing. I took a total of 12,549 frames over the course of five days. It's going to take me a long time to process all of these but I think I should end up with about 2,000 or so finished Chicago shots that I'm happy enough with to publish.
Wow! That's a lot of photos. - Peter Kruit
Can't wait to see them. My (almost) 15 year old is a budding photographer, and Chicago is one of his favorite places to take pictures. He'll love to see these. - Kathy Fitch
Chicago is an amazing place for photography. One of my most favorite cities I've ever shot in. I could shoot there for months and am sure I'll go back many times. So much amazing material. I'm looking forward to publishing the photos and writing a few blog posts on some of what I shot there once I get my arms around some of these. - Thomas Hawk
I'm going to point my guy to your blog, Thomas. He feels the same way about the city--it's a place he'll never be done seeing--and I know he learn a ton from your work and your reflections. - Kathy Fitch
I'd be interested to read about your workflow for dealing with a sea of photos like that (feel free to hit me over the head if I missed that somewhere). - Tristan Seligmann
86,400 seconds in a day x 3 days that you were there divided by 12,549 frames means that you a took a photo every 20.6 seconds. - Davis Freeberg
At that rate you could almost make a stop motion video of your trip. - Davis Freeberg
I also can't wait! Let us know when your coming back! It was blast. - Mark Williamson from BuddyFeed
Actually Davis, I was there 5 days, so not quite that many per second. But I pretty much was constantly shooting unless I was sleeping and I tried to get by on as few hours of sleep per night as humanly possible. Slept less than 4 hours every night I think. - Thomas Hawk
Damn. I took 12,000 photos *last year*. - Eric P
I haven't taken 12k photos in my life! - Mike Lewis
How do you process that many photos? - Alex Scoble
check out this thread i just started on friendfeed.. we're up to 150 comments now! http://ff.im/3pYjK - Jason Pollock
There's a man who needs batch processing! - Robert Hafer
can't wait to see them! hopefully :) - Anna Lynn M.
Paul Buchheit
"If you're not prepared to be wrong, you'll never come up with anything original" - http://www.ted.com/index...
it's a brilliant speech eh? Blew me away...i'm leaving. - Zee.
Thanks for sharing this - brilliant. I just sent it to the board of my kids' high school. - Leo Laporte
Here is a MUST SEE TED talk that is only 5 minutes long. Why US media is dropping the ball. EYE OPENING http://www.ted.com/index... - Mike Bracco
wow. tx for sharing this Paul - Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
I met Ken Robinson while working at Microsoft and the dude was inspiring to hear speak. One thing that's cool about having kids is to see how they learn: my son learns by trial and error. He tries things hundreds, if not thousands, of times before he figures out what makes them tick. We give them permission to learn that way because they are babies. Too bad we stop being able to learn that way when we're older. - Robert Scoble
Are you kidding. I've got my I was wrong speech prepared and in my suit jacket pocket at all times =) - Micah Wittman
that was great. - Laura Norvig
Paul, wouldn't it be a good time to consider embedding TED's videos? ;-)) - ianf ⌘
Really, Zee? You are not prepared to be wrong [5:44 into Robinson's talk], as this proves <http://ff.im/3dtfY> - ianf ⌘
I try hard to be open to being wrong. I don't always manage it but at least I give it a hellva try - Steven Hodson
Being prepared to be wrong implies being prepared to admit it publicly, and without prompts. This is a TALL order for most humanity... - ianf ⌘
A ted classic. I never get tired of Sir Ken's talk. I have walked in godknows how many times. Always use it whenever I introduce a newbie to Ted.com - Edward Harran
Interesting talk. I feel like I've been living in a hole (actually, have just been living in Japan!) but what's TED? I'm sure I'll get the idea if I browse around the site but it's interesting to ask here on FriendFeed. - Rick Cogley
TED is great. - james
Wow--good shit! The bit about Will Shakespeare had me in tears. - thepete
Will S. would have instantly choked on a piece of medium-rare mutton had he heard you refer to him as "Will." - ianf ⌘
This was one of the first TED talks to be published online with help from Google, something like 2 or 3 years ago. I remember it vividly, since I totally and absolutely agree with what Ken Robinson has to say. Remains one of my favorite talks. Ever ;) - Mustafa K. Isik
play is fearless= adult says = '...nobody knows what God looks like.' girl says 'They will in a minute!' - Lane Rapp
Sharon McPherson
Kol Tregaskes
"Aside from the Twitter.com website, the desktop app TweetDeck is the undisputed king of Twitter apps, with 14.51% of users posting this way according to TwitStat. That compares to 24.54% on Twitter itself." - Kol Tregaskes from Bookmarklet
Still waiting for FriendFeed support. - Kol Tregaskes
Agreed Kol: FriendFeed support would be a great addition - Nicholas James
Feedalizr has FF support. I'm really growing to like this app. http://www.feedalizr.com/ - Criz
you forgot Nambu. - Richard A.
The only desktop app with FF support I've liked (and I've tried them all) is Twhirl. It's still not in a stage I can use regularly (the jumping up and down is annoying) but it's the best one out there. So hopefully a nice port from Twhirl to Seesmic Desktop is on its way soon. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
FriendFeed support is going to Seesmic Desktop: http://friendfeed.com/loic... ;) - Nicholas James
Cool, thanks for the link, Nicholas. - Kol Tregaskes
I don't see why ping.fm support is in Twhirl and not Seemic. I'd switch in a minute if it was there. I'd also like to be able to tell the FriendFeed client which Friend List to look at like the FFnotifier is able to do. - rob friedman
Nambu clearly blows everyone out of the water. No comparison. But tweetie is prettier/smoother. Seesmic is clearly inferior right now - I don't understand why such adulation. - Matsis
Brad Williamson
"Here's a number that isn't making life easier for Comcast (CMCSA), Time Warner Cable (TWC), or the rest of the pay TV industry: More than 40% of U.S. households under age 35 watch Internet video on their TVs at least once a month, according to research firm In-Stat." - Brad Williamson from Bookmarklet
NOTE: If you like this article, make sure to join the "Media News And Analysis" group... http://friendfeed.com/media-n... - Brad Williamson
Comcast supposedly has a lot to worry about, yet their profits & subscriber count went up last quarter... - Peter Ghosh
Could that be due to the digital transition and increasing subscription prices? - Brad Williamson
Good comments. Traditional cable model is dead, but like newspapers they will try to prop it up until reality pries it from their cold, dead hands. - John Blossom
Speaking as someone who sells competitive info to cable companies, yeah, they're fucked. - Alex Scrivener
I've actually been considering cancelling my cable television. I only really have it for the HD channels and there aren't many for what we pay. Between Netflix and Hulu and other streaming options (or buying DVDs), I could probably watch just about everything I'm interested in. - joey
More evidence I'm an idiot... - Mike Nayyar
My biggest loss from canceling my cable is the loss of local sports games. I'll definitely pay 100+ bucks per month to watch my Texas Rangers! - Brad Williamson
I cancelled last month and have gotten by, even with my sports needs, pretty well. The biggest shift has been from 'ambient' television--something that is just on, to being something we have to actively watch ('ok, now we'll watch this Hulu program or this DVD or this podcast). Saving $158 a month and blogged about it here http://penguinsix.com/tag... - Andrew Leyden
Damn, Andrew... you just made canceling cable sound real appetizing. I especially like the part about no longer having it on to serve as ambiance. That might help my ADD a bit ;-) - Brad Williamson
It weird in that there have been three 'generations' at least of TV watching styles. My parents would watch a network show at a specific time--'Must See Thursdays' or something. My generation (the cable generation) was probably one of the first to just start leaving it on as ambient background noise. The newer net/IPTV generation (which I'm trying to transition to) is 'TV/video content... more... - Andrew Leyden
Peter van Teeseling
How about some rules based tagging or notebook organization for Evernote? Like your mailclient. Automagically add tags to notes based on content, title or source.
That would be nice. I would also like to be able to add tags or specify notebooks for notes I add to Evernote via the email address. Setting up auto tagging like you mentioned would be nice, or even just being able to type them in the email itself (like you can do with Remember the Milk). - Lindsay
Rule based tagging would be great! - Bill Sodeman
Or perhaps by adding tags with # they could be 'found' by EN? - Peter van Teeseling
Twitter Apps
whoever suggested the top apps for Blackberry - TY! I just got @ubertwitter - it's AMAZING!! - http://twitter.com/Cortnee...
Evernote Addicts
Wired Gadget Lab's 7 Gadgets to Green Your Lifestyle: Digitize Your Documents With Evernote - http://blog.wired.com/gadgets...
I can't wait until the day we cease killing trees by printing out documents. Evernote brings us a large step closer to that paperless dream. The app can capture and store and information such as itineraries, business documents, shopping lists and so on. Here's the best part: You can share the information with any other Evernote user. The beauty of Evernote is it's cross-platform, so you... more... - Russellreno
+1 Russellreno - Valley
+1 Russellreno - Bill Sodeman
Full disclosure: my comment above was cut and paste from the article. - Russellreno
Thomas Hawk
Earth Day 2009 - The Big Picture - Boston.com - http://www.boston.com/bigpict...
Earth Day 2009 - The Big Picture - Boston.com
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Today is Earth Day, a day set aside for awarenesss and appreciation of the Earth's environment, and our roles within it - this year marking the 40th anniversary of Earth Day. As a way to help appreciate and observe our environment, I've collected 40 images below, each a glimpse into some aspect of the world around us, how it affects and sustains us, and how we affect it. Happy Earth Day everyone. (40 photos total) - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
Fantastic pictures. Thank you for sharing. - Paul Wade
great photos, boston.com one my favourite photo-blog! - Andrea | amnesiak1978
boston.com is a great resource. I check it almost every day. Their large sized photos are spectacular. - Thomas Hawk
Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
Capturing your computer screen is a terribly handy trick in all sorts of situations, ranging from creating tutorials to capturing web moments for posterity. Take a peek at the five most popular screen capture applications. - Sasha Kovaliov(.com) from Bookmarklet
I personally really like Gadwin PrintScreen (free): http://www.gadwin.com/printsc... - Mark Layton
I like floomby.ru - Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
just use IrfanView. Has a pretty nifty capturing mode along with many more useful features like batch converting and renaming. Plus it has plugins to support almost every image format under the sun. - Rahul Das
I like Evernote's clipper. - Lindsay
robertogreco
Survey Says Baby Boomers Think Playing With Your Blackberry During A Meeting Is Rude - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
"The generation gap all too often expresses itself as a technology gap. A survey of white collar workers (most of them in the legal profession) commissioned by NexisLexis offers a glimpse at changing attitudes towards technology between Baby Boomers, Gen Xers and Gen Yers. ... My advice to anyone who finds Blackberry or laptop use during meetings rude or distracting: have fewer meetings or get to the point faster. Invariably, the conversations people are having on their laptops, iPhones, and Blackberries are increasingly more interesting than the ones that are going on in the room." - robertogreco
Jonathan Kong
Battle of the multi-column Twitter clients - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17...
Battle of the multi-column Twitter clients
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"There was a time, not long ago, when the power Twitter users were gaga for Twhirl. This Air app gave (and still gives) you quick access to different views of your Twitter network, as well as your FriendFeed stream. But Twhirl didn't last as the go-to client once the Twitterati discovered TweetDeck. This service has the big advantage of giving users a multi-column dashboard of everything going on in Twitter that they might care about, all at once on one screen. It also let users set up ad-hoc groups of people to follow, and search terms to track. It's the Bloomberg terminal equivalent for Twitterheads." - Jonathan Kong from Bookmarklet
I am all for using web-based apps that require no client installations, I am trying hootsuite and tweetvisor - TrafficBug
I love Twitterfall (http://twitterfall.com) that contains more magic than any AIR-or-not-installable-client that I've tried. Also, I'm using a computer that's absolutely choked, and as such, Twitterfall provides a much more stable and easy-running environment than a client. I must say that Seesmic Desktop is the most light-weight app that I've run so far, from those that CNet write about. AlertThingy's by far the most system demanding one. Anyway, I'm looking forward to Twitter's Discovery Engine. - Niklas Pivic
nambu! so hot right now - Cee Bee
"[B]loomberg terminal equivalent for Twitterheads," great quote and spot on as I like TweetDeck. - ka3drr
NAMBU or GTFO! - €€€€€€€€
I must add, that having tried the latest, new version of TweetDeck, I'm really happy. It doesn't suck memory as much, adds Facebook support and Twitpic previews, as reported here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17... - Con: I'm not happy about the way TweetDeck crops Twitpics! - Niklas Pivic
I really like TweetDeck I just wish it had the ability to get Friendfeed also like Twhirl. - Colossal Marketing™
For a multi-column web-based app, check out http://tweetgrid.com - Daniel Sims
Im all for web-based apps that require no client installations - TrafficBug
i g=have try the seemic and i prefer to stay with my twhirl - Yann from twhirl
Tweetdeck is so much better than Twhirl, I guess it is a matter of preference. You do have to add Air for this, but that isn't such a big deal. - Faraz Mullick
GigaOm
Cisco to Buy Tidal as Part of Its Data Center Rush - http://gigaom.com/2009...
GigaOm
Nortel Won’t Be Coming Back from Bankruptcy - http://gigaom.com/2009...
James Kendrick
Spb TV: Stream Public TV to WinMo Phones for Free - http://jkontherun.com/2009...
Dion Hinchcliffe
How to Monitor Your Social Media Presence in 10 Minutes a Day - http://blog.hubspot.com/blog...
How to Monitor Your Social Media Presence in 10 Minutes a Day http://bit.ly/Fu1XD [from http://twitter.com/dhinchc...] - Dion Hinchcliffe
johnpiercy
Twitter / Martha Stewart: i write my own tweets, usu ... - http://twitter.com/MarthaS...
Twitter / Martha Stewart: i write my own tweets, usu ...
FAIL - johnpiercy from Bookmarklet
So a single tweet is a construction project complete with subcontractors. Wow. - Micah Wittman
She can write her own tweets but can't do her own links? Really? Lame! - Robert Scoble
If she has people to fix up her tweets, she should have people to capitalize them and punctuate them correctly. Ugh. - Eric Florenzano
And even with help she can't find the shift key. - Alix Whitmire
LOL. Martha wouldn't be Martha if she couldn't delegate certain tasks she feels aren't worth her time. - Trish R
Time? What does Martha Stewart really do? - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
If she struggles with spaces, no wonder links aren't easy! - Sean Carmody
Give her a break, you should see what she's doing with paper stars and moons and graffiti. - ha3rvey (needs soup)
Tweeting for Martha is like a big project with some planning and a staff of 4 :) - atanas
... it's a good thing - Johnny Worthington
So what is she a Zombie twitter? Not fully a ghost but still kinda dead and false? - Luke Kilpatrick
So much for Martha being a hands on type of person... - Allen Harkleroad
Well, at least *she's* on Twitter. - Larry Hudson
Wow. And to think that I didn't need any help unfollowing her. I must have too much spare time. - Michael Kacer
Martha did it to me again! I feel so inadequate... - T. David Drake
Karim - found him: http://twitter.com/thetechguy and not only are his tweets link-less, there are no tweets of his own. That would detract from the ultimate brand - of course, makes sense now. - Micah Wittman
Oooh! Here I joke about @thetechguy and then realize it's Leo's (twit.tv) bot for his radio show. Well I'll be! - Micah Wittman
sorry... joke deleted by the tech guy... lol - Karim
It takes 2 people to tweet? "And that's a good thing". - Keith Barrett
That's the dumbest tweet I've read in a while. That's saying a lot. - Michael Hocter
wtf, fills in the links. - Will Higgins™
lol@Karim - Micah Wittman
She needs to hire an Internet Geek to post and link find, a College English professor to spell check her mistakes, and a Researcher to find "interesting" things for her to write about. - rob friedman
Poor Tech guy ... maybe he gets fed well ? - johnpiercy
Sigh. martha, martha, martha. thats like making a cake but not putting in eggs yourself because "I don't have time" wtf?? - anna sauce
This just adds credence to my opinion that Martha makes *everything* more complicated than it has to be - Mary DeSive
Her tiled background is driving be crazy. - Brandon
I actually think this is kinda awesome. I want a Chief Linking Officer, and if the economy recovers, I'll hire someone to click the buttons. Maybe the ones that fan me with palm fronds? - Eric Rice
bollocks... how can they fill links in.. after she writes her supposed tweets? - Rob Sellen :o)
Please tell me I didn't see this - Charlie Anzman
Failed "self" tweet. :p - Helen Sventitsky
DEAR GOD what a FAIL! Yup, their assistants do them all I'm sure. - sofarsoShawn
How much does her 'link-er' get paid for sticking in the links? - Will Higgins™
Well they ARE jobs, and that's something.. in this freconomy. - Richard ¿digame? Walker
Ok, so the integrity question boils down to, do you have a professional Linker (like http://www.spoke.com/info... or http://www.indeed.com/job... ) Or, do you outsource to an overseas Linker factory http://www.tradeim.com/company... - I think some transparency is called for here. - Micah Wittman
Knowing Martha she probably has an "undocumented insider slave linker" off the books & totally jail time worthy - sofarsoShawn
Excellent point, Micah. Amazon Turk for all we know. - Richard ¿digame? Walker
Martha must have a Drafts button on Twitter that's just for celebs ("Save for Intern"). ;-) Actually, there are a couple of explanations. She could be using CoTweet, for instance. She could be writing tweets as emails and sending them to someone. Maybe Martha does them in .doc form -- would explain the janky word spacing. Or it could just be BS. Looking at her stream, it's obvious there are at least two authors. - Chris Baskind
Don't forget folks this chick vacuums her LAWN ok... tweets are hard! LOL - Susan Beebe
And that's a GOOD thing. I'm just waiting for her first typo, though. Anything less than perfection will just KILL her! - Stan Scott
Mahdi Ebrahimi
kawaii ^_^ - ‎‎Emad
love them both :)(: - ardiba
آناهیتا همچین میگه آره دوقلوان که انگار مادرشونه - ramin
واااااای . چقدر با نمکن اینا - macro
aww - Josh Haley
<333333 - Anna Haro
I am not sure that they are twin or no!! - Mahdi Ebrahimi
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm - 2ndmoon©
ٍْSE Asians are all alike! seems twins! - Business Blogger【ツ】™
KISS KISS :D - Mahdi Ebrahimi
حدیثه ببین اینو - Monire
رونوشت به جودی :)) - وارش
با بچه‌ها مهربان باشیم :دی - Mahdi Ebrahimi
چرا به من خب ؟ به کانفورمیست که دو قلو داره - دختر ، رو نوشت بدین خب آبجی وارش :-" - Judi Abotte ِ DoleFul
SoftwareWorld
[Blog] LightEdge Deploys EMC Industry-Leading Deduplication Software to Reduce Backup and Recovery Times for...: E... http://s3nt.com/ew3a - http://twitter.com/CCmC...
Yolanda
Amazon.com: Chia Obama Handmade Decorative Planter: Health & Personal Care - http://www.amazon.com/Chia-Ob...
Amazon.com: Chia Obama Handmade Decorative Planter: Health & Personal Care
I'm just now seeing this piece of... whatever. LMAO - Yolanda from Bookmarklet
That's the happy one -- have you seen his serious one? LOL - Mona Nomura
FINALLY! The Chia pet for me! - Lindsey is Fierce!
Oh dear, a serious one?? - Yolanda
That's one case of funny WTF. How can they think of that? - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
@Zu What haven't they turned into a Chia? Oh oh oh . . . I want a Kim Jong IL one. If I get enough world leaders I can put them in jars and it will be like Futurama - Lindsey is Fierce!
@Lindsey Simply amazing, I didn't know. Is there alot? I'm looking into it right now. - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Sadly no . . . just wishful thinking ;) - Lindsey is Fierce!
Damn, 12 waves, that's alot of those! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Chia Shrek, Chia Donkey, Chia Garfield, Chia Cat Grass Planter featuring Sylvester and Tweety. Interesting by the nanosecond! ;) - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Steve Rubel
This is what the new Friendfeed feels like! - http://www.tvland.com/photoga...
This is what the new Friendfeed feels like!
ha ha - MG Siegler
That is hilarious!!! - Al Stevens
Only without the great chocolate taste! - Al Stevens
exactly - no time to take something of the convey belt! - Nick Halstead
I'm not a fan of automatically being on real time. talk about firehose - Yolanda
Steve its a river with dams - just use them (searches, filters, lists, etc). Might as well as them to slow down the stock market. Welcome to the realtime web! - timepilot
Classic - literally and figuratively. Nice... - Christian
I can see the pies falling off the end. - Khürt Williams
If that's true, we're in luck, because chocolate is great, and that episode is a classic! - Louis Gray
Brilliant analogy. - Sean McBride
I am, in fact, currently stuffing Comments in my shirt. - Ken Sheppardson
hahaah totally!! good one Steve!! - Susan Beebe
I've had a long-term policy towards web pages that move in any way -- I avoid them like the plague. I am a text-oriented person, and I like my text to sit still, so that I can quietly contemplate it. - Sean McBride
I agree. The new Friendfeed does not help me get information, it crushes me under the relentless pace of items that cannot be read. The old interface at least pretends to be friendly enough that I can read interesting items without rushing to catch them before they vanish. - Shamir Katsu
Great point Shamir, the speed of the updates is devaluing the input and the quality of the content that can be found. - Russ Jackson
Ah, how sweet and refreshing is the refresh button. Such a simple and brilliant component of any intelligent and well-designed UI. - Sean McBride
Robert Scoble
The new friendfeed is now up at http://beta.friendfeed.com/
woah this is fast... - Zee.
almost unusable :( - directeur
Loving the speed! - John Ruth
i love how the comments load - Lasse Johnsen
real time web in real time - Damian Holmes
this is awesome - Alfredo
works as well on beta.friendfeed.com - Jaap Willem
Holy cow this is freaking awesome - Craig Eddy
hard to follow comments if you look else where - Yunus Tunak
It's a great update - Lucas Araujo from twhirl
Isn't it? - Robert Scoble
well, my first vote is no. i'm one of the 'aggregator' people. if like FF cuz it's *not* a live stream. bummer. - MikeAmundsen
Yep, it's live. - Yuval Atzmon
I love it :) Too fast, so I dialed it down by immediately switching over to one of my LISTS - that was way better! List Mgmt is a must for real time feed mfmt - Susan Beebe
very nice, thanks for the link. - Nathan Eckenrode
didn't love it. - Gökmen Karasu
I like this! - António Teixeira
Mike: that was my first feature request: to have an aggregator view. - Robert Scoble
Mike, I'm with you. Try Streamy at http://www.streamy.com. You might find you like it more. - Kevin Kuphal
Wow, this does look aweseome! - Kevin Whalen
Wow ! ... LOVE the new look ! very nice - Rich White
the "XX seconds ago" does not update in realtime, though - Till
This is a little too fast!! - Niall Connellan
Pretty cool - Fred Hsu
wow!! its really dynamic first impressions = awesome! - Jay
Really nice.. quick and clean - Louis-Philippe Gauthier
Oh man this is really addicting already. - Justin Yost
I like the look, and the way the new likes and comments just show up as part of the post instead of a whole new line. But the whole thing being real time, and updating while you are trying to write out a comment is a bit much. I imagine if you are following thousands of people this will become really hard to manage. - Simon Wicks
Makes for a fun Monday for sure. - Jeff Stannard
wow! this is really gonna hamper productivity. Plus, Information overload! Hope it doesn't get too distracting. - Tarun
Jason: on the iPhone there are still bugs. It's hard to click like in the real time feed. - Robert Scoble
Productivity is gone :-/ - Susan Beebe
I agree. - Teri Temme
Robert - you just have to be FAST! :) - Susan Beebe
This is twitter on crack! - Andreas Klinger
Nice to see that this is all real-time now. - Geoffrey Wiseman
wow, you can see the comments appearing in real time... niice - Leandro Ardissone ⍨
So how are you supposed to read anything when it's always moving? - Todd Hoff
lies - Stuart Evans
This is actually really cool - Kurt Jarchow
Direct Messages are pretty cool. - Justin Yost
It is way too fast. Need a setting for refreshing on an interval, rather than real time. - Josue Fontanez
Oooo the page is moving. Color me impressed - Marcus Beagley
I am getting dizzy with so much speed. LOL - Carlos Lorenzo
Where's the re-share and link to this entry? Also, can't find preferences link. - Rui Pereira
Robert how many direct messages did you get? - İbrahim Uzun [ j ]
Firendfeed's problem isn't down to technology its down to name. Twitter has been behind FF for ages, but its name and the whole "Tweet" thing latches on with average people where as FF appeals to geeks like us that can appreaciate the differences and can remember more than one technology buzz work. - Mark Ritchie
Feed aggregation and sharing meets real-time messaging--this is a powerful unified communications platform--wait till they integrate real-time video! - Rory Conway
well it's a pretty radical change, at first glance I like but can see how this is going to be very difficult to keep up with - Dave Schwab
ok now it works hmm i think ive seen this beforeeeee ooo twitter maybe - Stuart Evans from twhirl
FF needs rating (like) of comments - how do they want to filter the good ones at live speed otherwise - Andreas Klinger
Looks kinda like Twitter, but that's not bad because I like Twitter! :) - Svartling
This seems more intuitive somehow. - craterdweller
I like how the content is moved to the left and and the operations are to the right. - Todd Hoff
Found the link to this entry: click on the time (how un-intuitive :) - Rui Pereira
i like the create a feed button this will be good for collaboration - Damian Holmes
Twitter crashed; wonder if this buzz helped - Kathryn Martyn
@mark ritchie - no, I don't think this is the problem. The mass market doesn't neccessarily want an overwhelmingly rich feature set. A simple proposition/UI often satisfies more people. Friendfeed, (and to an extent twitter tools such as tweetdeck) turns digital communication into a full-time occupation - as William Gibson said '‘They sat around accessing [social] media all day and talking about it, and nothing ever seemed to get done.’' - jeremy ettinghausen
Damian - thanks for noticing that - sounds cool huh?! - Susan Beebe
Not so sure all feeds should be equal. Knowing something from twitter for example is critical to the amount of attention I'll give it. - Todd Hoff
WHY DOES IT NEED HULK SMASH HANDS? - James
Seems much faster, love the real-tome comments. - Alex Scrivener
FF has been my best bud for close to a year. without a solid aggregator feature, i'm gonna hafta get a new best friend. - MikeAmundsen
not sure i like mixing users and groups into subscriptions, either. like the DM option (we'll see how that goes), like the "My Discussions" (do that lots now) - MikeAmundsen
Wow. This is a game changer. By commenting on an entry in the main feed you are basically initiating a direct message conversation with everyone who is tuned into that entry. - Barak B
easier to use,seems to be faster than the older and i like the new presentation :) ! - Alice Cordonnier
Like the UI - less wasted space & grouping of items more visual. I love innovation:) - Dave
Still needs some work: Can't add new feeds, updates are too fast, no preferences ... Like it thou! - Rui Pereira
It's ok. I'm not overwhelmed with the changes. - Trevor Trumbo
dont like, but the concept is nice - Jordi Rivero
Generally like all the design changes. Looks nice. - Todd Hoff
When I'm reading comments and they start scrolling down, that is not good. I drink from a glass, not a firehose. - Todd Hoff
it shouldn't be like real time ... and the style is not good too ... - Viva Vida
what as the big fuss about? its good, but not "great"! and plenty of beta issues - like the offscreen updates shifting text you are reading "onscreen"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @scobelizer, is there an underhanded deal going on that we don't know about... you're note usually *this* pawny about the hype! - simran
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