Andrew: many people, like me, use favorites far more often than retweets.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Andrew - really?? So if like Barack Obama or Britney Spears or the Real Shaq favorited your tweet you'd be all like "oh, whatever"??
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Or, more likely: if a famous entrepreneur favorited a tweet you posted about, for example, an invitation to be a guest on your show - wouldn't you like to know that and follow up on their quietly expressed interest?
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
what a great concept, thanks for sharing! twitter(at)locspoc
- Loc
I've always wondered if there were any way to do that.
- Laura Norvig
I haven't used HelloTxt, but from first impressions of the webpage it doesn't look quite as nuanced as ping.fm - seems more about status updates only. Ping.fm allows blog and microblog posting as well and I like the flexibility. Having said that, there's nothing wrong with doing one thing well.
- David Young
Sounds pretty even right now. Someone should post a feature comparison grid!
- Glenn Batuyong
Hello.txt with SMS gateway; while Ping.fm with IM support. Hello.txt is two way (at least on the web interface); while Ping.fm could only send messages, not receiving.
- Jansen Lu
I'm trying to get SMS working at hellotxt, but it rejects saying that I'm not sending to a "vaild 10 digit code" - ideas anyone?
- Steve Isaacs
Thanks for the updates, everyone. Does either service work well with Blackberry?
- Ryne Nelson
would anyone use Hellotxt as a two-way communication tool? or just treating it as a message broadcaster?
- Jansen Lu
HelloTxt: nicer interface and more services supported, though I tend to use both 'cos I'm a nerd ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol my Ping.fm's interface is very clean and neat, 'coz it's only the gtalk conversation windows :P
- Jansen Lu
I'm leaning toward TelloText though I haven't really given Ping.fm a fair shot.
- Kimberly J
I use Ping.fm and I like it better because they keep adding great new innovative features. And you can use it with many different applications like Twirl, Spaz, etc.
- Guitarguy234
Ok, so what is the term for FriendFeed Post Necromancy? Because this is the poster child for it.
- Justin Whitaker
The user side of Wave is indeed a mess. My hope is that they have a server that makes realtime easy to implement for others that can do some truly cool things with it.
- invariant - farewell FF
aw :( I have quite enjoyed Google Wave? Have you actually played with it, or are you coming at this after seeing demos and that sorta thing?
- Adam Lasnik
No two people ever agree on design. Facebook is good? Microsoft? Somehow they got share (and then some). If Wave delivers the goods soon enough compared to other options, they have a fighting chance.
- LogEx
After playing with it, I agree its full of clutter. It's cool for a group of people and various conversations amongst friends but not a solution for public streams and a massive social network.
- Brandon Titus
Wave is meant for group of people and conversations among friends (Wave = email if it were developed now is what they kept saying when they introduced it).
- Chieze Okoye
Google understands social as well as anybody else, it's just that geek engineers ideas of social behavior are well, a little different
- Chad Albert
Patching up pieces and forcing them to talk to each other is not social. That's like...XP.
- Mona Nomura
wait, did you just analogize Google Wave to WINDOWS XP (Microsoft's most successful OS to date) in an attempt to show how big a fail Google Wave is? Come on, Mona. You can do better than that.
- Chieze Okoye
And what are we using as a yardstick in this conversation? A pre-alpha product that most people here haven't even used? We could talk about actual launched products and say, that, for instance, Orkut is a fairly successful SNS in certain markets that proves that Google *does* understand social.
- Chieze Okoye
I didn't want to say ME because that's kinda rude - Vista wouldn't make sense because they didn't build it from scratch. Actually, the analogy was for pulling all these services together and trying to make them talk to each other.
- Mona Nomura
Who said Google was a social company? They're an advertising company through and through ;)
- Andru Edwards
That's not fair. Wave hasn't even shipped - and it's an incremental tool.
- l0ckergn0me
Who said anything about needing to be fair? Look at all the components and how they are trying to be 'social' - aside from the Google evangelists (...I love the employees Adam, Roshan, Chieze, Erica, et al.) how are they being social? Oh, Orkut? What's that?
- Mona Nomura
ME would have been a much stronger analogy as I would say XP is actually an example of a fairly well done integration of many disparate technologies (at least from the user's point of view).
- Chieze Okoye
also, I am definitely not a Google employee. And I do like their products, but honestly, I think most of your comments re: Google and social (at least the ones based on Wave) are premature at best and misguided at worst (mainly since there's no product around for you test and come to the conclusions based on). Well, unless you're hiding a dev account in there somewhere that you didn't tell us about. 8^P
- Chieze Okoye
Um, ok http://images.google.com/images... See? Twitter clients on crack with a little bit of Flock. I don't know why people are excited about it (from a user perspective)
- Mona Nomura
*shrug* I don't know, Mona. As someone who is constantly on 40-50+ message long event and project planning email threads, I would kill for even a tiny bit of the promise of what Google has with Wave. I guess I saw how it can take what I do in Gmail and allow me to do it 100x better with collaboration, whereas you seem to be looking at it from a completely different angle.
- Chieze Okoye
btw, just to check 2 things: were you being snarky re: Orkut or do you not know what it is? and have you seen the Google Wave announcement video?
- Chieze Okoye
They are an advertising company, and they do things in that part of the company's best interest.
- Andru Edwards
Mona, I felt the same way when I first peeked at the interface. But having used it extensively at work, I've either gotten used to the UI or it's a lot less daunting when you're actually using it or both :). The real-time in *conversation* is far more useful (if a bit freaky) than I ever would have imagined. It's much closer to the way people actually *talk* when they're in a room...
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- Adam Lasnik
Son of a bitch - this is a busy topic... should have replied here. Twitter > FF in my brain. #Fail
- Enrique Gutierrez
As an underlying protocol, I think Wave is *incredibly* powerful. The first few iterations of the UI (including ours) will be (justifiably) rough around the edges until the user/developer community gets comfortable enough with the technology that they know what to do with it.
- Aaron D'Souza
Are waves public or private? Will they be indexed by search engines and viewable by anyone?
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Adam - thank you for that explanation. Can't wait 'til it's public beta (which answers your question too, Suezanne?)
- Mona Nomura
With the federated architecture, I can imagine different entities building sites with a social networking layer and familiar UI on top of Wave, with open interfaces between each other. Sort of pick your favorite skin. I can see the line between social networks and collaborative tools blurring.
- Christopher A Carr
The ultimate goal is a suitable hive-mind substrate. ;-)
- Christopher A Carr
Oh, no? It was a statement you made w/out reason. So I just agreed - easier that way ;)
- Mona Nomura
a "collaborative tool" is different than a "social network". Thats like calling Basecamp a social network. The common thread is that whether it's collaborative or social, they are both built for communicating.
- Adam Helweh
from BuddyFeed
Basecamp is not a collaborative tool - it's useless LOL. Have you tried Google Sites? It rules and it's FREE.
- Mona Nomura
I'm glad someone else said it first. For a second, I thought I was just getting slow.
- Tinu Abayomi-Paul
Mona, Basecamp is not the best of tools nowadays, but it is definitely considered a place for teams to collaborate (or at minimum... communicate). Not sure how you have been using it, but I have used it for projects with clients for a couple years now.
- Adam Helweh
For conventional project management - products, specifically, it may suffice (I prefer Visio) but for projects with mass collaborators and multiple contacts involved, it's awful. I like HighRise but completely baffled as to why HighRise and Basecamp don't talk to each other. Bizarre.
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
Hey now, LG, Looney Tunes is frakking awesome. How about Disney buying Pixar? Oh, wait..... (and actually, that one hasn't worked out badly, so is there yet hope?)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
++ Jandy -> How about Dreamworks buying Studio Ghibli?
- LogEx
*smacks MVB* How DARE you besmirch tinker toys!!! Oh, and what's up with fiddling with your name, you trying to make me get MDV and MVB confused?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
It seems like everyone is mourning FF prematurely. Clearly FF is going to be around. No one said anything about the FF app going away. Why would anyone want to shut down an app that is so well-loved by it's users
Johnny it does not take much money to run FF and given how much Facebook can learn from observing users on Friendfeed, it would make a lot of sense for FB to keep it around.
- Bindu Reddy
Read this sentence 'FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally for the time being.' Now read it again.
- Andy C
...because acquisitions are sometimes about acquiring the people behind the technology - not the technology per se. Google/Jaiku is one example. Why would it be in FB's interests to continue to grow and enhance FF ?
- Andy C
Bindu, it stands to lose its base. The sense that the party is over has a huge influence in effecting the party actually being over. Who knows what will happen, but this is a reasonable prediction of things to come.
- Micah Wittman
I'd like to believe that FF will be kept around as Facebook's R&D website where they can try crazy experimental ideas. I don't actually believe that but I'd like to.
- Adewale Oshineye
'Taylor and Cox say that the Friendfeed product will live on independently, and eventually Friendfeed will be merged into Facebook.' —http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... That last little phrase "and eventually Friendfeed will be merged into Facebook" is your answer.
- Johnny Worthington
I'd actually like to see a designated (functioning) FriendFeed tab in Facebook. I also firmly believe FriendFeed technology is going to make Facebook Fan pages MUCH more marketable once all the pieces are in place. Brands are going to be ALL over it.
- Mona Nomura
I think Bindu is telling the truth. FriendFeed is not going away anytime soon. Keeping this site running is pocket change to Facebook. The thing I'm worried about is not that, but rather will it get any new features or any new stuff? Time will tell the answer to that, but if I were Mark Zuckerberg I'd take the engineering team and get them to work on Facebook's search engine, not let them update the site here.
- Robert Scoble
Mona, that is an interesting idea... Yes I do believe some of the FF features would be adopted by Facebook. In fact Facebook has been borrowing a lot of the features anyways. One thing that might happen in the short term is that active development on the Friendfeed.com might stop.
- Bindu Reddy
Mona: It doesn't seem likely to me that they would embed the Friendfeed brand inside of FB. Or do you mean a non-FF-branded, "the part of facebook that doesn't work like the rest of facebook"-tab?
- Christopher A Carr
Robert, yes that is what I am wondering as well. I wonder how much a site will grow when active dev. stops on it....
- Bindu Reddy
Frankly (as much as I LOVE FriendFeed) I didn't see it adopting in the 'mainstream' -extremely unfortunate since it is such a phenomenal product. I wan't even Googleable until I joined FriendFeed and in one year, people can Google me by my first name. WTF. That is SO unheard of. Anyway, I am excited to see what the FriendFeed team and FriendFeed can do for Facebook.
- Mona Nomura
I'm talking about the technology. FriendFeed's real time and SEO is off the chains. Not even five minutes after you post something it shows up on Google. How is that possible? Seriously.
- Mona Nomura
NO, THE SKY IS FALLING RIGHT NOW RUN FOR COVER. You won't get far with that "logic" and "reason" you're using right now.
- Richard Lawler
Mona, Actually that "magic" works because Google indexes Friendfeed so swiftly. Friendfeed is probably on the list of sites that Google indexes almost on a hourly basis. Google does that with news sites as well. The nature of FF (real-time) and the fact that there are so many Googlers on FF prob. ensured that Friendfeed made it on the list. Twitter is prob. on the list as well but I am guessing Twitter might make it hard for Google to index it so often/quickly.
- Bindu Reddy
There has to be a reason why FriendFeed indexes faster and ranked higher on Google than Facebook or Twitter - it can't be simply list order...can it?
- Mona Nomura
I bet Friendfeed makes it much easier for Google to crawl it's pages than Twitter does. As for Facebook, it is not on Google's real-time crawl/index list as the content on Facebook does not change that often.
- Bindu Reddy
OMG! you have different friends than me then - FB is out-of-date above the fold every hour for me
- James Stanbridge
John yes but that content is not publicly available for Google to crawl. The content on FF is
- Bindu Reddy
Right - so imagine if they were somehow able to integrate a (true) real time component to Facebook, with the same indexing capabilities as FriendFeed. Wow. I'm excited!!
- Mona Nomura
Agreeing with you Bindu. It may not more of a technology adoption than anything. If they do, I still won't cry. I use all of these as tools and try not to fall in "love" with any of them - the nature of the Web is change. Sooner or later everything becomes something different. Sometimes those changes suck (Jaiku!) and sometimes those changes make it better (arguably, Google).
- Tinu Abayomi-Paul
Mona, I have been using short ff urls on Facebook pages after porting them through Twitter since my first days on FF. I am sure I was not the only one doing it. It was an easy way early on to defeat the text only nature of FB pages when importing outside content by utilizing FF's SUP protocol and MediaRSS. I think you are dead on about the FriendFeed team making FB pages more marketable and vibrant. Facebook already had the viral tools in place and it will be interesting to see what comes of this union.
- Eric Logan
Want to agree. This will be a lot easier when FriendFeed is more public about plans for the site, the users and the data. Silence, even for a short time, makes the community uneasy.
- Louis Gray
I've got absolutely no interest in going to FaceBook to get a FriendFeed fix via a FriendFeed 'tab'. For me it's like going to the most amazing all inclusive hotel in the world - that's situated in a little corner of Afghanistan. The journey to get there is way too off putting.
- 1x29
I'm not sure when the users' love of a site is factored into the decision to shut it down or not. Seems like sites are closed because they aren't growing fast enough or making enough money to support their costs. FF may be able to run on the cheap, but if the product development stagnates, users will eventually migrate to better options elsewhere. This could take years, but the...
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- Adam Kazwell
And here come the cavalcade of FriendFeed replacements. Remember identi.ca, Plurk, Pownce, and all of those other sites that rose up when Twitter was having its worst problems? Yeah, don't fall for it again.
Gee - you're right. identi.ca simply isn't a decent replacement for Twitter. It's much superior.
- Andy C
I will be one of the last rats on this ship, mainly because as of yet I'd have no other place to go and I'm not ready for internet obscurity yet =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I agree with Andy about identi.ca ... the only problem is that a gazillion other people don't and never will.
- Jim Will Miss SP
internet obscurity is way underrated, Tina. Trust me on this.
- Jim Will Miss SP
The only replacement I'm interested in is one that runs over the Internet with small pieces loosely joined. If I can use the editor I like and you can use the one you like -- that has a chance of working. If we all have to use the same software that's a no-go non-starter.
- Dave Winer
I can't help it. Every time someone says "they have no place else to go" I think of Richard Gere crying to Lou Gossett in "An Officer and a Gentleman."
- Kevin Pedraja
Dave, I'm beginning to think the same thing: the future of social media is in decentralization.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@Jim That's the 'Clash on TOTOP' paradox. If identi.ca ever really took off and the masses migrated or it was taken over by the nameless borg, we (identi.ca early adopters and evangelists) would all be bleating too :-)
- Andy C
Decentralized is a no brainer. Open source should be too. FF users wouldn't be biting their nails right now if the code could just be ported elsewhere. Laconica is on a steady improvement path & Identica users are a pretty happy lot. Transparency has a lot to do with that. YMMV.
- exador23
So, it compresses, it seems like it's uploading, but then it fails and says only that it can't complete the upload. This happens over and over. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
Talking of which, no background processes, either.....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
The thing is, it happens on both WiFi and 3G. It happens if you turn off WiFi. It doesn't seem to matter how long the video is.
- Robert Scoble
Is this an iphone, network or youtube issue?
- Sean Scott
And worse, when it fails, you have to reenter all the metadata about the video again to try it again (title, description, etc). Aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh. This feature was definitely not debugged. Not to Apple's quality level. I guess this is what happens when Steve Jobs takes six months off.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: who knows? There's no information. I assume that because it happens on both WiFi and 3G that it's not a network issue. And, since I've never had a YouTube upload fail otherwise I assume it's not a YouTube issue. That leaves the iPhone. Buggy!
- Robert Scoble
Been trying to tell you about TweetReel geez ;)
- Colin
Apostol: I'm very close to getting an Android.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe it's linked to the Twitter DDOS thing? I'm still under DDOS lockdown.
- Colin
Colin: no. It has happened to me ever since I got the iPhone, not just in past week.
- Robert Scoble
Colin, you mean http://www.tweetreel.com/ -- but why should I have to pay $2.99 to get functionality that's already built into my phone? Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
I just tried uploading a video from my Iphone to YouTube and it worked. Might be AT &T problem? I am in Canada under Rogers contract for Iphone service.
- Shawna Bergen
I can tell that my suggestion to sync the vids using iTunes and then upload is stupid. But yeah. Yet Another Apple Complaint
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Apple provides hardware, developers provide some of the software, that's the way it works with some things.
- Colin
I have not tried this feature, but having a 3G it's kind of moot anyway.The iPhone/AT&T juggernaut gets increasingly underwhelming with every passing day, every new "feature". I'd be on the Pre by now, but can't stand Sprint. Going to have to wait. Meanwhile I may just buy a regular phone to do things that phones do, you know, like make calls without getting dropped all the time.
- Laura Scott (@lauras)
I'm in the U.S. but I'm 99% sure it used my WiFi connection to handle the transfer.
- Carter Rabasa
Apostol - What's the "best" Android option at this point (from a generally satisfied iPhone user but someone who really likes Google's tools and openness). . .?
- DaveFriesen
Colin: TweetReel doesn't upload existing videos, unfortunately. Carter: yes, sometimes it works. Which is why this is ultrafrustrating.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, it sure does upload existing videos heh.
- Colin
It's been happening to me for weeks too! Also uploading to MobileMe fails most of the time. And there is no 'retry'
- Cameron
As long as you still have them on your phone, right now Apple doesn't give a way to copy videos back to your phone (3.1 it may however)
- Colin
@Apostol I was just lusting over a few unlocked HTC Hero's to replace my iPhone. You might have put me over the top.
- Sam Harrelson
Yep, I've been waiting out for the Samsung or even the "cheap" Motorola Android's that are supposedly coming soon. Having had an iPhone for a while, I'm (at this point after the App Store mess) more concerned with using a device made by a company that treats me like an adult :)
- Sam Harrelson
I have had similar issues - but only with bigger files
- ben rogers
Apostol: Gotcha, thx for the info. Looking more like the Hero then!
- Sam Harrelson
Encountered the same issue BUT the video miraculously appeared on YouTube! WEIRD.
- Rom Feria
Robert, I use new and old video to upload to youtube from 3GS all the time. Only issue is if I try when it flips to Edge.
- Alan Ashley
Is it a long video, because I just uploaded a short one 36 sec. without any trouble
- Kim Landwehr
Kim, I can't even upload a 15 second with a fail...
- Cameron
Use Pixelpipe for video uploads, you can send videos up to 200MB directly from the phone (without re-encoding) to over 50 services of their +100 support destinations
- Brett Butterfield
Worked fine for me with a 1:36 video. First time I tried.
- Otto
from iPhone
Weird, must be a hit or miss thing not good.
- Kim Landwehr
What also sucks is that there is no option to choose whether to upload the standard 4:3 footage or crop to 16:9 for upload. Although I guess it doesn't really matter if you can't upload it! :-)
- Cameron
On a related issue: Does anyone have trouble playing YouTube videos on their iPhone over WiFi?
- Barak B
If people are still having problems uploading to YouTube from iPhone, please direct message me w/ approx date/time and YouTube username so I can look into it.
- John Harding
Just you guys wait. I'll get in the car to go to Whidbey and then suddenly I'll be ready to write. Maybe I'll haul my MacBook Pro with me.
- Akiva Moskovitz
*listens to see if there's any good topics* ignore me, nothing to see here
- Mistletoe Glen
"As a devoted FriendFeed user, I have tried to convince all of my friends and family to join the site, but a handful of them never quite got their accounts set up properly. With our new Recommend friends feature, I can fix their FriendFeed experience by recommending subscriptions to them." Try it out at http://friendfeed.com/friends...
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Keep giving Robert crap. He must wield his like lense for good!
- Mark Essel
What am I supposed to get when I click the 'recommend friends' link on someone's pop-up? Currently, the popup just goes away and I don't get directed anywhere else.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Fred: yah, unfortunately, you can only recommend people who you are subscribed you and who are also subscribed back to you.
- Bret Taylor
Mark, I didn't submit a bug report since what is supposed to happen wasn't actually spelled out on the blog post or here; this might be the intended functionality... I hope not, but it's possible.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina: it is supposed to pop up a dialog. Sorry for the trouble - we will look into it.
- Bret Taylor
oh I just overreacted with Bug Report! At the very least the guys get a few minutes to look it over before Paul or whoever their manager is comes around with new implementation ideas
- Mark Essel
At first I did not understand this, but now that I am checking it out, it is brilliant and addresses much of what we have complained about. NOW what will we complain about?
- Liza
It worked for me, just started connecting the social network. Facebook has some pretty groovy network/node connector
- Mark Essel
Just to confirm Bret, the first image in the blog post is what the pop up is supposed to look like, right? Because that's nothing like what the ff.com/recommend page looks like....
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I notice that new subscriptions are automatically added to one's home feed. I consider that kind of a bug.
- Meryn Stol
Tina: yes, that is correct. The http://friendfeed.com/friends... page is just a list of people that we think could use some friend recommendations since they have few subscriptions. If you click on any of the "Recommend" links on that page, you will see the same, standard "Recommend friends" dialog.
- Bret Taylor
Where would we find recommendations that others suggest to us?
- Fred Yankowski
@Bret, who receive the recommandation see also who is the recommender?
- Roberto
Fred: You will receive an email as well as a notification on the top of your feed.
- Ross Miller
Roberto: yes, they see who recommended
- Bret Taylor
Not getting the pop-over when I click 'recommend' on the friendfeed.com/friends/recommend page either... FFox 3.0.12 if it's relevant.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bret, if I recommend friends to people who haven't signed in for a long time, will they get email? A lot of my bored friends are not active FF users I think. (quite logical)
- Meryn Stol
and can I see who has accepted my recommendation?
- Roberto
Roberto: You won't be notified if they accept/deny as the recommender.
- Ross Miller
Ross: Ah, it just appeared on my feed. Cool. (And thanks Meryn)
- Fred Yankowski
Meryn: yes, they will get an email with your recommendations
- Bret Taylor
from email
Bret, I accidently just received an email with previous recommendations. I had already viewed them through the web-interface. But indeed, it's there. Email looks good too, as I expected of course. :)
- Meryn Stol
hey Robert Scoble....I have a trade proposal....you send my name to all your friends...i send your name to all of my friends for the rest of my life....
- Bob DeMarco
I would like that deal, too, Scoble. I like this a lot.
- Ben Hanten
Bob: I charge $1 per friend. :-) just kidding, but the UI makes it so hard to send you to more than a few people.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Bret: You guys rock! This is so much better than FollowFriday, which I recommended just a while back. Now, I'm waiting for some recommendation emails! :)
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
If there’s something about friends and family not having their account set up properly, I’d prefer a way to recommend them the streams they forgot to add. For example, I could tell them “You forgot to add your Digg stream and your fourth and eight blog. Here’s the link.” Then he could just click the recommendation and had it set up easily.
- Natsuki Seika
As I have lots of subscriptions the pop-up window is *really* slow and always has been since the new UI (same thing for amending friends lists). :-( I like the feature though, so I could make a new friends list of my most recommended users and use that each time for each user?
- Kol Tregaskes
the most amazing thing was filtering Twitter hashtag and watching the updates come in sometimes hundreds within 10-15 minutes periods. an incredible way to immerse into the real-time interest cloud.
- Thom Kennon
Robert, I came to the same conclusion of CNN years ago.
- Taylor Marek
I love this tweet from the CNN tweetbot: Tehran on fire"... "Palin vs. Letterman Who's Right?" with panel discussion {priorities: fail;}
- BryanSchuetz
We are talking about Iran's election outrage
- Soso Sazesh
There is a letter from Mousavi in both Farsi & English circulated for hours. He is under house arrest. There are reports of Ministries on Fire. Twitter has been lit up for hours.
- Donald Wilson
One of Australia's sunday morning TV shows wasn't any better, it's lead story was that a bank was introducing muslim-friendly loans
- Bryce Roney
Let's agree that most TV news networks decided long ago that they would control the news. Remember swine flu? People blame the fuss about that on Twitter, yet it died everywhere as soon as the MSM stopped making it a big deal.
- Carlton Prest
Blogs have been active, but TV networks have been dead. Including CBC in Canada. Unbelievable!
- Donald Wilson
Pavan - they did nothing and they should have
- Soso Sazesh
A brilliant guy at my gym, a BU professor, refuses to work out to CNN, insists we change the channel.
- Halley Suitt
So hard to believe we have to go to Twitter to stay on top of such important news as the protests in Iran.
- AirDye®
What the hell's going on with the US media. The unrest resulting from the Iranian election IS IMPORTANT!
- Don Whittaker
How great to actually see some WOMEN in the streets!
- Halley Suitt
@don they are too busy working out who would win in a fight between Sarah Palin and David letterman
- BryanSchuetz
It's the weekend. There is no one in the newsroom on the weekend. When I worked there, we had to absolutely drag someone in for the Princess Diana accident...the community was going nuts and there we were, with no broadcast news, no confirmation, no nothing.
- Karoli
Livestation.com. You can watch France 24, Al Jazeera English, Euronews and Press TV, the Iranian propaganda channel. Coverage on all of those
- Andrew Leyden
I have to say the Nambu search ( searches twitter, friendfeed, one riot, yahoo news) has been great for keeping on top of this, and it's essentially real-time: http://img.skitch.com/2009061...
- BryanSchuetz
to be fair its not only CNN dropping the ball on this one. All of MSM here in America is ignoring Iran today.
- BCK
It isn't just CNN. If you look at online newspapers and other outlets before going to bed tonight you'd walk away with a different story and all sorts of analysis about how we will continue to deal with the old regime. That still may be the case, but you can tell this was a
- Warner Crocker
Go to Monitter.com (a great site, btw) and type the Twitter search terms in. You can watch them come in real time, no refreshing.
- Obayoo
con't... we're out of here for the weekend story.
- Warner Crocker
I've been following events on Twitter all day. @tehranelection is a student in Tehran. His last tweet, half an hour ago: "I have to shut down for a bit, the police are looking for satellites." Could CNN give us that, even if it wanted to?
- Jill Elswick
We don't bother with broadcast TV, so I can't watch any of the stations, but http://www.bbc.co.uk/ currently has it listed as the top news story, as does http://www.cbc.ca/news/ both with firey photos.
- David Sky
CNN has access to Twitter and more. So why can't they give the proper attention to this story?
- Donald Wilson
It's actually all so called TV news outlets. Internet is a better source of news. To be fair though, sometimes, on duty journalists/editors do not have the last say in what's covered as 'news'. Simple politics and ratings. I usually tune in to UK TV channels than I do US for news, that too very rarely. Sad but true.
- Moushumi Kabir
My last thought on this, no matter what happens, US definitely needs to stay out. It's Iran's internal matter just as 2004 re-election of Bush was our internal matter. As shocking as it was to the rest of the world (I still struggle with the fact ppl I know actually voted for him - twice!!), US did vote for Bush the second time.
- Moushumi Kabir
For people interested in tracking what is happening regarding the irannian election on Twitter, here is a dashboard: http://www.twazzup.com/search... An amazing showcase of how new forms of communication make it much harder for dictatorships to control people!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
It's difficult to get a right news even for me who know Persian, Iranian Tv doesn't support anything about street riots at all, Face book and You tube are filtered over there! No SMS! No mobile, even FF is filtered for them ! :|
- Shandiz
sucks to live in a country without freedom :(
- David Lloyd
Agree w/ Moushumi Kabir!US MUST stay out of this.
- Shandiz
"Horrid coverage" -- otherwise known as typical. Shame shame!
- Andy Sternberg
from fftogo
What did CNN do-so horridly...is that a word. That's twice in 2 weeks.
- Teriss
Download Livestation to see more coverage
- Eric Haber
from Nambu
re: Teriss - comparing cnn.com to twazzup.com at 10:08 PM Central, CNN has NO MENTION of Iran and twazzup has 3 of 10 Hot Topics about Iran ... looks like CNN is NOT the place to find 'Breaking News'.
- Don Strickland
CNN finally pipes up and mentions Facebook pictures inciting violence in Iran - but no update. Oh, yeah, and the fact that access to internet has been cut off. Is that the only news?Now on to the Letterman/Palin fight! I am heading back to online updates.
- Liza
I often find US cable TV insular when it comes to foreign affairs - coverage of Barack Obama's recent speech in Egypt was a case in point. But CNN ignoring the Iranian protests is shameful.
- Peter Dowley
I am an Iranian, protest people are alone, they have no leader and don't what to do, wish somebody help us :((
- Zahra (raoros)
I was always kinda of excited about the prospect of a 24 hour news network. Imagine how many more stories or how much more in-depth you could got on a single item. That really didn't happen. Covering stories, particularly any story happening outside NY or LA, is expensive. So we saw CNN put on a bunch of shows with pundits. They leaned to the left, so FOX could come along and lean to...
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- Matthew McCowan
Twitter is susceptible to manipulation by propagandists--for example the protests in Moldavia. In that case it was a legit election that the protesters just didn't like the result of. A flash mob does not a majority make.
- Joe Knapp
Joe: good point, but many of us didn't fall for that crap and even then it cleaned itself out pretty quickly.
- Robert Scoble
CNN died in 2001, when Tom Johnson retired. Quite a few of the top talent left around the same time, not wanting to be part of Jamie Kellner's efforts to be more like FOX. Cable "news" is a ghetto, and I never, ever, ever turn it on. Robert, you'll enjoy this: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_dai...
- John Craft
Looks like CNN is finally picking up the coverage today. Christiane Amanpour is live in Teheran.
- Nils Sandin
Just starring to catch up to last nights events. Amazing the lack of big media coverage on Iran.
- Robert Wilkins
Been watching CNN International in China for two days and I can't agree with you. The reporting seems to be matching what I'm seeing on BBC and reading in NYTimes and Twitter. Saying they should be "ashamed" is a bit invective.
- David Geller
"CNN International . . . seems to be matching what I'm seeing on BBC and reading in NYTimes and Twitter." - CNN-I is a totally separate production team, and has a totally different business model from CNN-"Domestic."
- John Craft
Robert Scoble: three bloggers have been on top of Iran developments: Andrew Sullivan, Juan Cole and Robert Dreyfuss. It seems safe to say now that we have just witnessed a coup in Iran.
- Sean McBride
who makes the decisions over there at Cnn?
- Denise
All these comments are so stupid and ill-informed. Not a single one of you has ever tried to take a camera crew into a totalitarian country. I have. You don't just walk around. Easy to twitter for one person. Very hard to get pictures! Go and try it, and until then. Shut up!
- Prokofy Neva
@Sean, i agree we have witnessed a coup--the sustained fight lasting a week with people in the street every day, making police run away, NYT editorial by Reuel Marc Gerecth has a good analysis of what it means, and AlJazeera http://www.youtube.com/watch... has a good analysis. the action on the streets is having a huge effect, not just on Iran but on the Middle East.
- Eleanor Wynn
Prokofy Neva, agreed that no new organizations can get in there, but any of the news channels could rebroadcast key videos, photographs and analysis of this very major geopolitical event--it is really disgusting to go through the TV channels and see the dreck that is on when something major is happening--our local news channels will cover a weather event non-stop, why doesn't a major channel cover this/
- Eleanor Wynn
the citizen journalism tells the story in a way noone else could. you are right there in the middle of the crowd with all the changes of pace and direction, the shaky camera itself tells a story and the sounds. it is like actually being there--that is why the twitter and youtube coverage is the real coverage--they don't have to process, package and add a local angle to it that waters down the effect
- Eleanor Wynn
This is such a great discussion. I've actually created separate profiles on Facebook, Twitter, etc. just for my mom. I try to keep her separate from my other social exposure.
- Fleagle
I'm actually usually annoyed when people poo-poo their mothers like using them as examples of being out of it, or being a Luddite. My mom got me into computers, she has an avid interest and a technical flair. Anyways. Sure, I don't want her to know who I'm dating, but I don't post that stuff online either! Also- it's bad "modelling" in that, you're showing younger girls that they're not...
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- anna sauce
I've thought about blocking the american idol site from my mom's computer. She doesn't need to read those stupid-ass comments.
- Rodfather
Be afraid. Be very afraid. There goes the ability to lie about accomplishments, to hide the dark secrets of your past, to keep those baby pics of you in the tub -showing full asscrack - out of the papers....yes, it's time to cancel your facebook account, or perhaps create a new one, under a different name....
- Morgan Haley
Too cool. As a mom who knows, most if us get the biggest kick from our kids who get nervous when we're on the same social space. Honestly? I'm just a little more concerned about what MY friends are saying and doing - especially if it refers to anything I did between the ages of 12 and oh, say 25. :)
- Renee
from BuddyFeed
"Furious Eminem stormed out of the MTV Movie Awards after finding serial prankster Sacha Baron Cohen's bare buttocks just inches from his face. The rapper was left fuming when Cohen - as his flamboyant fashionista alter-ego Bruno - descended from above dressed as an angel in a thong and landed head first right in his lap."
- Tudor Bosman
from Bookmarklet
Apparently, they had practiced all this before the show had started.
- Brent - Loving Life
Had to be staged. A man wearing next to nothing "accidentally" dropping down head first on someone whose most infamous persona is a huge homophobe? Please. If that wasn't staged I'm throwing out my entire music collection.
- ♥patricia♥
If it wasn't staged, then Eminem let the guy off easy for dropping his naked rear end into his face. Had that happened to me unplanned, the culprit would probably have no family jewels left.
- Brian Chang
Hearing various accounts never would have spoken as clearly as photos and videos have. Talk about don't ask, don't tell:)
- Roney Smith
"My bum is on your lips; my bum is on your lips..."
- Tanath
She is so full of cute that she could give cute away every day for the rest of this decade and she'd still be SUPER cute. Possibly the sweetest baby in all of Seattle. <3!
- ♥patricia♥
Who said she's no longer cute? Youse want me to take care of them for youse?
- Sharon McPherson
So cute! Love Sarah striking a pose in the last one!
- Trish R
Anne, the infield fly rule confuses even the most veteran of baseball fans. I eventually went and printed out an official definition from MLB.
- Louis Gray
I remember how excited I was when I figured out the infield fly rule. Of course, it's obvious once you think about the need for it.
- Mistletoe Glen
I like explaining to umpires the infield fly rule during our softball games. Oakland A's though, you're just setting them up for a life of misery ya know.
- Steve C
Billy Beane is picking em even younger, eh? No worries. he'll trade both of these kids when they're about 8 or 9.
- Michael Calore
Very cute! Audrey says hello to Matthew (well, and Sarah, too). :)
- Rochelle
Wait till they get old enough to pick other teams.
- Uncle CW™
Hold it...are these YOUR babies Louis? Research hasn't taken me to your family...yet. :)
- Sheryl
So wunnerful! Love that last picture. <3
- Yolanda
Sheryl, you have a good point. We never did do a paternity test.
- Louis Gray
Louis! Facebook is too slow. Do you know the problem with Facebook?
- ramiromarques
Baby squish time! I'm the baby squish QUEEN! Probably cause mine are all grown up. :) Adorable. Glad to get to see them.
- Sheryl
Matthew, probably because she was closer to the closet where the hats were hanging? Usually who gets put where depends on who is doing what where. With twins, you just adjust as you go along.
- Louis Gray
The second picture made me lol. The first one looks like it could be an actual action shot from a game. These kids...
- Mike Nayyar
Adorable kids. And now I know where I'll be bringing Sheryl next time we're in the area. We love kids to pieces, but won't ever have little ones of our own together. Ours are grown and we live vicariously through our friends' kids now. :-)
- Ken Camp
Why do we all feel the need to cut twitter down and search for 'the next big thing'? Why is the word contentment missing from our language? We all use twitter, or something else. Who really cares whether we will or not in 5 years? What is the value in anticipating the demise of something we like?
Are we anticipating the demise of something we like (Twitter)? Or are we simply craving richer personal communications and hungry for more?
- Ken Camp
I had a terrible Twitter day... locked out because a hacker is trying to get into my account. I still am so grateful for all the connections and real friends I've made. I'll be back...
- Jeanette Fisher
Not all of the critics cut Twitter down. But speaking the truth about Twitter often puts it in a negative light. It's hard to be charitable about repeated PR/communications failures, outages, misdelivered data, and the like. Why do we bother criticizing, and offering solutions? Because we value the service, or a least value what the service could/should be if it were to live up to...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob you make good points. And I don't disagree. Not entirely. :) What I do think is that we expect all these free services to be better than they are and yet we continue to use them complaining all the while. Many things I wish were different about twitter and some other apps. and I have spent my share of time being vocal about it, but having said that I still wonder what it gains us...
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- Sheryl
Good points all around Rob, and I agree. I've been on Twitter since sometime in mid-2006. I may not be as prolifc as some, but with 11000 tweets, it's clear I'm an active user. It's part of my daily life and I want it to succeed. And I want more from it. I've even gone so far as to apply for the Director of Strategic Partnerships position they have advertised, but other than an autobot...
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- Ken Camp
I would say because if you are making a serious play to become the next great communication platform, where that platform will be in 5 years actually matters. When no clear plan is present to consolidate and ensure the strength and longevity of that platform, plus is being managed in a way that at times can be unpredictable, people who will utilize that platform heavily will being looking for another option.
- Johnny Worthington
The quest for the next big thing never stops. And pointing out weaknesses in a product that's gotten ahead of itself is important as we need to push it to help it grow. If they can't perform under this kind of pressure, then the emperor has no clothes.
- Louis Gray
Nobody mentioned the folks who get paid the big bucks to identify emerging trends and platforms to businesses and the tech blogs who need to feed a vicious news cycle? Advertising and client money, I feel, is a component to some of the Twitter bashing out there. All that said, I fully agree with @Louis as well.
- Brandon Mendelson
Brandon: you make good points. There is definitely some of the corp. money dictating the trends.
- Sheryl
Louis: (tongue in cheek) Maybe they look better naked? Seriously, I have yet to see a service of any sort perform flawlessly. Nice to dream of but our needs keep changing and with it our expectations.
- Sheryl
This happens to EVERY online community. Why weren't we content enough with BBS's? AOL?Prodigy? Compuserve? Usenet? ICQ? The thing I notice about all these? They don't keep early adopters happy.Twitter pissed me off. That is not a good sign.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: What are you using today that you did 10 years ago? I think early adopters are great because they help create the future but with this new view of accessibility and quantity of tools we are no longer content to use after a period of time. Seems to me there is a lifespan for all tools/apps/gadgets largely because we have let our imaginations run and denied ourselves nothing.
- Sheryl
Sheryl: BBS's lost me to Prodigy and AOL around 1988 because they had more stuff to do. AOL lost me to Compuserve because the forums were better both in technology and in people. Thinking back on it the 910 days ihave been on Twitter is actually among the longer time frames I have stuck it out with an online community.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: How long do you think the average person lasts? Longer or less long? Are attention spans growing or lessening? Do you think you're the norm?
- Sheryl
I don't understand what the issue is, really. Twitter is a tool. Moreso, really, than Facebook or FF. I look to Twitter to give me the most immediate bytes of what's going on in "my world". Facebook and FF give me snapshots that I take more time on, and are more truly community based. My blog is where I put the things that I have been working on; longer pieces than belong on Facebook or...
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- James (!?)
Wow! I forgot about ICQ... It is still going not sure who uses it! The point is we move on... I remember watching blade runner and star trek and laughing at the thought of speaking to someone via a screen... and marveling when I used a 56k modem to surf on altavista for up to date articles for my college course. Twitter is a product of the technology, a product of possibility. The key...
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- David Fisher
It's the nature of the game...through intelligently discriminating which is better, it's not to cut down the other but approximate & discern the better player so as not to waste our time with the worse aka ROI aka the Friendfeed vs. Twitter debate. The benefit of questioning that which we merely "like" leads us to that which we "like" more. Unexamined, the pros and cons is a fool's paradise which cuts both ways.
- sofarsoShawn