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Email is saved! Inbox2 rocks. Here is why: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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endiaferon, ptzn, sofarsoShawn and 54 other people liked this
Waseem Sadiq, CTO (left) and Khuram Hussain are showing me how you can send emails and messages to Twitter, Facebook, and others. It is in private beta now, will launch later this year. http://www.inbox2.com Does all sorts of useful stuff like forwarding, copying, etc. "It is really hard to build a good email client," says Sadiq. They nailed it, must try it.
- Robert Scoble
Can we get an invite code? :)
- Aaron Myers
Yeah Robert, ask them to let you post some invite codes to FriendFeed!
- Ben Kessler
Invite Code please! ?
- Jigar Mehta
Get us all hyped up and no codes? C'mon Robert, score some codes for us.
- Jim Graham
Robert, score a code, for a Pie ala mode...:)
- Fred Tabsharani
Codes, or it didn't happen!
- David Lloyd
Actually just requested an invite code last week. Would love one if you have any.
- Kevin Whalen
Invite code :) please
- Susan Beebe
Well now we're all interested. So invite codes would be awesome. Please.
- Vlad Bobleanta
sounds awesome - yes, codes!
- Karma Martell
another request for some codes...
- Paul
Very cool. I can imagine this being something to tie me over until Google Wave is released. I presume the transition to Google Wave from Inbox2 will be a ease?
- Vinko
me want codes now, give um me code
- David Lloyd
Yep yep, give us some codes please.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
I think I can see you from here :)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Just go to their site, they will send you the codes in an email.
- Elizabeth Good
sometime next year maybe!
- David Lloyd
How long does it take for them to send the invite?
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Robert, thx for the plug! Everybody that wants an invite just leave your email address on the website (www.inbox2.com), will take a few weeks before you get one tho, due to the infrastructure we're setting up to serve u all :-)
- Waseem Sadiq
'a few weeks'!! we'll have all forgotten about it by then! -- you've got our interest now (it's about 20 people, how much infrastructure would be required?)
- Paul
Hehe that is true, but if I let you guys in now I might end up spoiling the zen like email experience once its good enough. I'll tell you what, if you are willing to try out the product and tell us how we can improve it, or blog about it, Í will get you an invite (waseem at inbox2 dot com)
- Waseem Sadiq
we are btw also on twitter @inbox2 @waseemsadiq and our blog http://blog.inbox2.com (shameless self promotion)
- Waseem Sadiq
Cool! Email sent.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Eh, looks like an AIR app.
- Akiva Moskovitz
hmm, me thinks: Soon, a Scoblizer recommendation will be as mighty as being listed in Oprah's book club list...
- t i n y m
What a tease! I have already requested for an invite and now waiting...thanks Robert.
- Rahul Mirakhur
hmm... over a month and no response... oh well
- Kevin Whalen
Yeah, ditto -- and after they asked us to email them so they could add us to the beta list...
- Paul
You guys allready seen this? http://www.inbox2.com/account...
- Waseem Sadiq
Robert, was this post sent directly from your phone? How do you do that?
- Skyler Call
Skyler, http://ourdoings.com/ourdoin...
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Hey, it'd be nice if you invite me to try Inbox2. The 'Request Invite' feature is not working.
- Dnyanesh
Free Social Media Icons: Old Bottle Crowns Icon Set - http://sixrevisions.com/freebie...
nifty
- Leezl Kaschula
cute!
- t i n y m
@google Response to AT&T's letter to FCC on Google Voice http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2009...
@google followup posted today http://bit.ly/3x5qXd
- t i n y m
The new Google Chrome rocks. Freaking fast. Noticeably faster. Now up for testing? @threadsy
Seo (ignobile) Guru, MarkHirsch, Bob DeMarco and 32 other people liked this
It's been very slow for me the last two days (I just installed the latest). Page loads are slower than IE7 for me.
- t i n y m
definetely slower on my test machines... it's faster than version 2 alright, but still too slow. now we're [the company I work for] considering not to support it internally. Version 1 and betas were lot faster.
- Özgür D. Cyric
Really? Seems a lot faster here. Must do more testing.
- Robert Scoble
Always liked it, but still no plugins. It's still JUST a browser.
- Paul Puri
don't change from Firefox and Opera to Chrome, missing nothing...
- Ronald
It has extensions, I'm using an ad blocking extension and it is every bit as good as Firefox.
- Kenton
Where can I find the Greasemonkey extension. How about my Xmarks bookmarks sync and Lastpass password sync?
- Paul Puri
Kenton, do you have a link to the adblock extension?
- David
The only one I found is http://www.adsweep.org/ but it's been discontinued. And anyway it was nowhere near as effective as AdBlock Plus is.
- Otto
I started using Chrome because I thought I needed those extra microseconds. But then I realized I lost a lot more. Productivity is not about speed but about agility. FireFox gives me the tools I need all in one place. Chrome gives me...... well.... really there is nothing improved by Chrome. It starts faster? It surfs faster? It runs certain web apps faster? Is it all about speed? I say no.
- Paul Puri
I love Chrome. I've used it exclusively since it released a year ago.
- Al Stevens
Chrome is the best browser there is.
- Tomy Thomson
But why is it the best for you? I keep hearing all these praises, but no rational behind it. I thought it was the best as well, until I asked myself what it does for me that Firefox didn't. The answer? Nothing. It does nothing for me except run slightly faster. Memory management is not that great. It has no decent plugs to right home about. Of course, it is still young in the OS war games. Maybe in a year or two that will change.
- Paul Puri
For me: It's fast. Subjectively speaking, rendering is way faster than Firefox, and the UI is more responsive than Safari. The latest iterations successfully quarantines Flash from taking down the whole browser. It doesn't memory hogging features that I never use. Obviously, YMMV.
- Victor Ganata
I don't seem to have the same problems other people do with Firefox. Maybe because I keep my systems clean and focused. If Chrome had the few features I needed from FireFox, then it would be fantastic. If all you need is a browser, than Chrome is an excellent choice.
- Paul Puri
IMO, Firefox has never been very good in Mac OS X from the start. I've always liked Camino much better. Firefox is a much better experience in Windows. (I'm using it right now.)
- Victor Ganata
Not to mention that Windows has always been a better experience for me than OSX. But that is another discussion. LOL.
- Paul Puri
I'm finding the latest build a little sluggish and buggy. Weird rendering issues and poorer performance with Flash sites.
- Andrew Smith
Until I can get Adblock, Xmarks, and LastPass, it's a no go for me.
- Matt
@Matt EXACTLY!
- Paul Puri
It doesn't seem fast to me, plus I just don't like it.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Chrome is the fastest browser, Firefox 3.5 comes close but nothing more than close. I don't care for plug-ins or extensions, i am all for speed. Chrome is my default browser since it came out, at home and at the office. Plus i like the GUI. No buttons, menu's, status bar etc. Just a clear and clean window to show web pages.
- Nik
Nik, that's the way I felt about it at first. But after awhile, the simplicity became more of a burden. I visit a minimum of 10 password protected sites a day and have those open in tabs. I open Firefox, login with my main password on Lastpass, hit favorites, and boom. Within 10 seconds of starting up I have all my favorite sites open and logged in. Now that's fast.
- Paul Puri
Thankfully, Chromium.app works with the normal Keychain mechanism in OS X. Unfortunately, that doesn't help anyone on Windows.
- Victor Ganata
I love Chrome, that is all :)
- Susan Beebe
Chrome is my preferred browser for my typical web activities.
- Jim Turner
I like using chrome on one of my machines because it is very quick in startup and generally fast on that Athlon 2000 machine. And that was the previous release.
- Michele Costabile
I've been using Chrome for the past few months and love it. The latest update is welcomed and noticeable. I'm not sure what people are running when they say the browser is sluggish, but on all the computers I use... I have yet to find one that runs Chrome sluggish. People that mention extensions... I never really used them. However, extensions are available on Chrome through the dev...
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- Jason Hansen
Crome 2 messed up my hdmi 3rd monitor but ver 3 is fixed. it's still to slim on extras that I lovee in FF. I hd to go back to 3.0.0.13 to get the full functionality . I found an extension called "vacumn places improved" which sped firefox up to chromes speed. unbelievable. I wis I had found that addon years ago. Firefox is finally Firefox!
- earl wallace
from twhirl
For those looking for extensions and user scripts - http://www.chromeplugins.org/google...
- Kenton
COOL! So if I need an extension that downloads YouTube videos or blocks ads, Chrome is the one to beat. Wish other browsers had that power! /sarcasm
- Paul Puri
Chrome isn't for everyone, but there are lots of people who don't need extensions at all. But if you follow Kenton's link, it looks like you will be able to block ads and download Flash videos.
- Victor Ganata
@Paul there are probably thousands of plugin for Firefox that you'd think were pretty useless too. The main criticism of Chrome has been that it didn't have plugin support. Now it does and if the plugins do what you want great. If not, you'll have to use another browser.
- Kenton
Hmm. Still like Firefox better. Also can't figure out that Adblock extension, it doesn't seem to offer any way to subscribe to the filter lists. And it's danged hard to do CSS development without the WebDeveloper and DOM Inspector extensions. What I really want is Firefox's interface with the Chrome javascript engine. I don't care for the overly simplistic nature of the Chrome interface, and the process separation is annoying as heck to me (makes it suck up memory like a sponge).
- Otto
@Otto - I'm happy for you, and Ima let you finish, but CHROME IS THE GREATEST BROWSER OF ALL TIME.
- Tomy Thomson
@Kenton don't let my rapist wit fool you. I love Chrome. If you just relish speed, it's great. But it is just a browser. Not a very effective tool for my arsenal.
- Paul Puri
LOL @ "rapist wit".
- Otto
Mama mia Robert, Chrome is fast now.
- Bob DeMarco
Moms use Facebook, Twitter, and blogs more than average adults: http://om.ly/ItCK AC
a mom I am. like the facebook & blogs, I do.
- t i n y m
Who in your company doesn't get enough credit but is key to success of your company? Use hashtag #unsungworker
motownmutt, Morgan Haley, Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah and 5 other people liked this
Our web dept (me +1) #unsungworker
- t i n y m
Nominating yourself looks bad IMHO. #unsungworker
- Robert Couture
the traffic department - they make good on the promises made by the sales department #unsungworker
- Morgan Haley
iTwinge: The Keyboard Sleeve That Turns Your iPhone Into a BlackBerry - http://mashable.com/2009...
t i n y m liked this
not sure I like the name. I thought it had something to do with tracking bathroom visits...
- t i n y m
RT: http://twitter.com/nerdyhearn I'm sick of hearing Scoble's pompous remarks all the time, anyone have a "global internet delete" button? Discuss:
Andrey Golub, Louis Gray, Craig Shipp and 8 other people liked this
Heheh. Pompus, huh?
- Robert Scoble
pompous...interesting word to use..
- Zee.
last word i would use
- Franz Sittampalam
Hmm, items aren't showing up on Twitter as fast anymore.
- Robert Scoble
nerdyhearn, he is a lot of things. Pompous damn sure isn't one of them though!
- Gregg Morris
if you don´t like it, don´t read it ;)
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
hehe.. just don't follow if you don't find him interesting
- monkeystick
you sure write a lot in my feed all i can see is your green photo :)
- testbeta
@moneystick.. seems like that's the best option. Unfollow and the silence is golden.
- Sam Grover
testbeta: you need to follow more people. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: The green is tired man...time for a change :)
- Owen Greaves
Pompous? an new word in my vocabulary. With a new word a day I will speak english well in about hmmmm... 250 years. BTW and FYI Chris Brogan never sleep (compare to you) http://bit.ly/PVoQ2 and He have his Google voice account now. POLL: how many poeple can talk w Chris Brogan in the same time. ;-)
- Claude LaFrenière
Seems as though someone finds you to be less than charming, Silicon Scoble.
- © b e e n s w a n k
Yawn Scoble hate is the new black I iz bored with it - unless we are talking about ALEX Scoble hating and then I am all for it! (kidding Alex simmer down)
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
hehe, my wife who only use the web to read her mail and browse orkut is also annoyed by you Scoble. Yesterday she asked with an angry face "who is this green guy that looks like an alien and keep popping up on your screen"? :D
- Diego Sana
pompous thoughts aside - think of the technical resources required to remove Scoble from the internet.. even the FBI could never make him disapear!
- Nathan Vingoe
Paradoxically, the place where he can get away from Scobleizer is FriendFeed, because Block is exactly the "global internet delete" button he's looking for.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Alex isn't pompous at all!
- Mistletoe Glen
from iPhone
pompous? did he mean obnoxious?
- Robert MacEwan
MacEwan: maybe.
- Robert Scoble
I think he was trying to sound witty.
- © b e e n s w a n k
Anything to grab your attention, really.
- Jordi Soler
@Scobleizer you're a critic, not pompous. I do like you better in person than online though. Sometimes you're "in a hurry" online (understandably) & that might come off as rude to someone who hasn't chatted with you offline.
- Enrique Gutierrez
Arrington paid him...and he's driving clicks for Chris Brogan ; >
- Thom Kennon
Al Gore may have a global delete button. If not, he can invent one.
- Shaun McDonnell
i don´t have a global internet delete button, but how about a http://www.dramabutton.com for mr. nerdyhearn? ^^
- Dan H. Racek
funny stuff!! I like your global delete button. Everyone should be so luck to have as much influence to need one. While I've never met you personally I don't quite see you as pompous...if I thought you were I wouldn't bother reading your blog or posts here on friendfeed. If he believes you to be so awful why not read something else?
- t i n y m
Good on you for sharing these thoughts Scobers! it takes a big man to lord his critics!
- Bryn Morgan
What a winner. Won't even come here for a chat so I can figure out why he's so bent? Says I never talked with him in the past. Geesh.
- Robert Scoble
Why doesn't he just unfollow you? I don't understand.
- Pat Canella
If there wasn't a Robert Scoble we would need to invent one!
- Craig Shipp
tinym: it makes some people feel better to tear down someone else or call them names. Sometimes even I do that. It's the Internet, what can I say?
- Robert Scoble
A global filter would be great. No more LOLcats! :)
- Louis Gray
Robert! I have only ever found you energetic and engaged. Pompous is not a word I would use. Thanks for the follow and your unending energy!
- Tobin Truog
I prefer gregarious. Or we go crazy with the adverbs, engagingly loudly gregarious.
- Mike Lewis
ha...Robert, sometimes I do find you pompous from some of your posts, e.g. the one about how you follow people.
- Kent Chen
Kent: it takes a certain amount of pomposity to write anything on the Internet, to tell the truth. Who the hell is ANYONE to expect someone else to read their stuff? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Right, that's why you still show up in my twitter and Google reader. :) Things will get better if you can change your green face to something else, like blue maybe.
- Kent Chen
why is he so mad about it...it is a free country, you can delete whoever you want.
- Jeanne
Robert re: expectations - I write everything I write with the understanding that I'm writing it for me, when/if someone else reads it, I consider that a bonus.
- Enrique Gutierrez
lol @ Enrique, good one 8)
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
SCREWEDUP or NOT: Miley Cyrus' stripper pole dance http://www.mahalo.com/miley-c... .... at the Teen choice awards? really? #growingupfast
Rasmus Lauridsen liked this
I watched the video, and I can see how its a bad choice in that forum. But then again it's not like shes gyrating round the pole looking all sexa like. She's using it as support while they move the ice cream cart around under her. Just another American storm in a glass of water if you ask me.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Yes - muchly messed up. They shoulda/ coulda done it differently... without the pole would have been a good start.
- t i n y m
Movies I watch over and over again and never tire of:
t i n y m, Ton Zijp, Josh Haley and 8 other people liked this
Little Women (1994) - I get a kick out of seeing Christian Bale so young and light-hearted as Theodore Laurence (aka "Teddy", "Laurie")
- April Buchheit
Valmont (I've seen Dangerous Liaisons and Cruel Intentions and I find 'Valmont' to be the best movie adaptation of Pierre Choderlos de Laclos's novel. Annette Benning was just absolutely sexy cruel as Marquise de Merteuil)
- April Buchheit
The Shining.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Robin Hood Men in Tights
- April Buchheit
the three amigos!!!
- sha-mayn teh
Amadeus
- April Buchheit
A Christmas Story
- April Buchheit
The Big Chill, Harold & Maude
- diego morelli
The Crow, Natural Born Killers, Tank Girl, Clueless, Josie and the Pussycats, 13 Going on 30
- Becca
V for Vendetta
- Tudor Bosman
from email
Dan in Real Life (just watched it again last night)
- t i n y m
Shogun Assassins
- Rodfather
Reservoir Dogs
- Marcos
Princess Bride
- Stephen Mack
Grosse Point Blank
- G. Sigh
Bladerunner
- G. Sigh
LA confidential
- Dario Gomez
Wow, all of mine have been named already, except the original Wayne's World. Princess Bride tops the list (and is also my most-read book, it's incredible)
- Lo
Hey! North by Northwest!
- j1m
Almost anything by Tim Burton. Really looking forward to Alice in Wonderland next year.
- Aaron D'Souza
My Cousin Vinny.
- Derek Coward
Enemy of the State
- April Buchheit
The Illusionist
- April Buchheit
Revenge of the Nerds (how could I have forgotten this?)
- April Buchheit
Very cool new forums are now being shown off @techstars thanks to Vanilla (version 2 rocks!) http://vanillaforums.org/
Lizunlong, Laura Norvig, LouCypher and 11 other people liked this
anyone have a quick review of how this compares to/better than phpBB?
- Justin Long
pretty site. I second Justin's question about phpBB comparison... anyone? thanks :)
- t i n y m
Was actually gonna post Justin's question as well.
- Manuel Mas
Sweet...Finally someone reboots/rethinks forums... phpBB is getting stale imho
- Bwana ☠
I think I may set this up a bit later, good to see they're hosted on rackspace cloud
- Bwana ☠
Agreed phpBB is getting stale but face it forums are web 1.0. The crazy thing is they work!! Anything that updates the web 1.0 forum is great in my book.
- cheapsuits
They are stale but they still have their place, I think... esp. for long term moderated conversations??
- Justin Long
My big complaint is form conversations are siloed. The revamping of the forum since their inception is happening slooooowly. Why?
- cheapsuits
Thanks for the tip. I have to check out this forum. I will suggest this to a client that is interested to start to participate in social media activities and an online conversation with their customers, business partners and others. But first we have to go through Forrester's "Social Technographics Profile" of their customers as described in the Groundswell book.
- Martin Lindeskog
answer to the 'how are they different' question: cleaner, plug in friendly and open source. Simply beautiful. Built around discussions. Easily themeable.
- Andrew Hyde
Everyone on Mashable/Twitter wants to tell me how lame I am and how I'm doing it wrong. Here's your chance to tell me I'm clueless:
Thierry R. Andriamirado, Hutch Carpenter, Peter Murphy and 40 other people liked this
Lots of people are saying I was always doing Twitter's following wrong. It's funny how social media experts have it all figured out. So, here's your chance to tell me how screwed up I still am.
- Robert Scoble
you're clueless.. :P
- Rob Sellen :o)
I think you tried a noble approach. It just was ruined by spammys. You did what you had to do to fix the problem.
- Drew Lucas
from iPhone
Tell me something I don't know. And tell me why. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Everyone thinks they're right in Social Media. I try to ignore them.
- Jesse Stay
were you? In hindsight? now you have done this big purge?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Drew: the real reason why I'm clueless is cause I am on FriendFeed, where I can put people into lists. Which, by the way, make AWESOME filters for searching.
- Robert Scoble
which list am I on?
- Alex Scrivener
Robert - I think you're always interesting and thought provoking.
- Andy C
I agree with Jesse, everyone thinks they are a social media "guru". I loved your approach, well done.
- Johnny
Alex: pay me $20 and I'll tell you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I don't think you're clueless...just so cutting edge it doesn't make sense! haha I really like friendfeed, and if more people would more over here, I would use it more than Twitter. Actually, I'm already starting to use it more than Twitter.
- Sam Guzman
Your clueless Robert. You have no clue how to do the whole social media thing. Please teach me your cluelessness Master. :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Everyone needs to "reboot" their twitter strategy once in a while, there's no harm in it at all. It's just those out there who still think that thousands of followers is the only metric that everyone should go by to determine if you're using twitter successfully.
- Richard Arblaster
Richard: bing!
- Robert Scoble
What? That's ridiculous. You don't look anything like Alicia Silverstone.
- John Craft
There is no right or wrong way to use (except maybe spam). Who cares what other people think about your social media habits.
- Shawn Hickman
I covered the topic of mass unfollowing awhile back when @Loic and @AriHerzog unfollowed everyone. I think you might enjoy the comments in particular. http://blog.tweetworks.com/2009...
- Mike Langford
Scoble is clueless like Socrates was foolish.
- Pierce Presley
Rob: in hindsight, yes, I was clueless. I just didn't get quite how clueless I was, because on FriendFeed I could follow small groups, like everyone else.
- Robert Scoble
Pierce: Good point!
- Sam Guzman
Loic is not around much anymore
- Mark
The reason you are clueless, is because we ALL are at the start.. how could you have known the "right" way at the start?? Couldn't.. so you NOW changed things... :o) Big difference now then?
- Rob Sellen :o)
the thing you HAVEN'T been clueless about is friendfeed... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
your clueless, just like the rest of us !! We are all trying to figure things out.. each have their own way of doing it. To each thier own posion !
- Peter Dawson
The only way to know if your Twitter/Social Media approach is working or not is by looking to see if it is accomplishing your goals. There is no "one-size-fits-all" approach in a dynamic growing space. This Right/Wrong game is tiring at best.
- Bill Sanders
I have learned that there is no one set way to do social media right or wrong. Is there an echo in here?
- Mike Lewis
For half a sec I thought it was a FAB publicity stunt! Seriously Robert I adore and respect you. There are 2 different views. Twitter is different things to different people. You and I can agree to disagree. But, won't you MISS the amazing view of your HOME stream???
- Arleen Anderson
Arleen: the thing is I was looking at that screen less and less. Now I look at it a lot. Well, except for today cause Twitter has been mostly down.
- Robert Scoble
I find that alot of people are a bit... selfish in social media. I follow people I find interesting. They don't need to follow me back. Maybe they don't think what I post is interesting even if I find theirs to be. We got to cut down on our ego tripping sometimes and let people enjoy the social tools, the way they enjoy em. I bet ya, there are not two people out there, that use all of this in exactly the same way, and that is great.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Steve: that's absolutely not true. Sit next to me sometime. I can follow many thousands of people.
- Robert Scoble
Your comments make the conclusion that everyone that disagrees with you is a social media expert, spammer, or non-techie. Are you sure you are not a politician in disguise? LOL Putting people in groups on Friendfeed did not require a massive un-following on twitter I know what you are doing. I like FreindFeed. I would not like twitter near as much if FriendFeed was not there. I am grateful for FriendFeed and it champion. Cheers for Robert
- RetiredTeacherD
Sorry Scobe, but you innovate, care deeply about all of this, and are fun to read. You don't even budge my Lame-O-Meter. (As for lame, well, AP is the King aren't they. And Reuters just told them to stop whining. Heh.)
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Seems funny to me that everybody is still talking about this issue. What's the difference between this and telling people what you're having for lunch? Twitter is chatter but from time to time, a clear interesting idea comes through and sparks a reaction. Reminds me of the thought process in my own brain... tons of ideas, lots of chatter and some gems. Meditation helps me quiet my mind... perhaps unfollowing does the same. In any case, less chatter is always better.
- Yanik Falardeau
RetiredTeacher: heheh. But, sorry, the main reason I did the unfollow isn't the home feed, but DM's. They just became more and more filled with spam and useless stuff. Getting my home feed back is like icing on a cake.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert, There's no right or wrong answer to social media usage. Only you can decide your goals and if you're successful in achieving those goals, that's all there is to it. You're anything but clueless, not that you need me to tell you that :)
- MiaD
I was a big critic of your Swisher/Mossberg article as I think you are misguided about where in the social chain FF falls-- HOWEVER... although I had a FF account for awhile doesnt mean I 'tried' it. In light of the non conversational approach twitter is taking ( @replies) and the fact its getting spammy and many people are talking AT me not WITH me I concede. I don't agree with some of your tactics or selling points but I do agree FF IS ABSOLUTELY on to something in a big way.
- cheapsuits
Auto following everyone is not good idea...
- k00pa
ROFLCOPTER!
- k00pa
IMO. Your following deletion was good thing :)
- k00pa
I just use Twitter differently than most. Regardless whether I "follow" you or not, I still follow millions of people because I mostly use search for getting what I want.
- Jesse Stay
you did an experiment. you learned something. take the learning and move on. economic theorists are doing the same thing:-) maybe spammers were Twitter's Black Swan.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Let's assume for a moment that you are, indeed, clueless. Since you follow the same methodologies as most other "social media experts", then they, themselves, are clueless, as well. Since most "experts" (like yourself, Pirillo, and Conn) are generally smart people, then all clueless people are geniuses. Therefor, you are a genius and are, beyond a shadow of a doubt, not clueless.
- Thomas Ward
Thomas: I like your thinking! :-)
- Robert Scoble
So Ashton Kutcher can have 3+ Million followers and only follows a few, so why can't you filter the noise too? Double standard...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Robert: Glad you liked it. Hell, I'm glad you understood it! Even I began to believe I was only rambling!
- Thomas Ward
would you please change your green #Twavatar ? .. my baby cries .. Thx :)
- Marcel Bloingo
My favorite thing about you is that you do your own thing. Go with your gut.
- Ted Murphy
Marcel: that will also cost you $20. This is how I will monetize social media! :-)
- Robert Scoble
An 'auto-follow everyone regardless' is just nuts. I don't think you're clueless. I just think you *were* nuts :)
- 1x29
Ted: In this case his "own thing" is what many of us have been telling him he should be doing for months now ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
It's your SM experience, so you get to do as you wish. Personally, I think it's great you're not chasing numbers so much anymore. But the next time I experiment and you tell me I'm doing it wrong, I'm gonna remind you of this and demand a one-time pass, OK?
- Chris Baskind
OneGear: my heart was in the right place. I was doing that so everyone could DM me. Of course that let in spammers and other bad actors. So, turns out you are right.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: we're all doing it wrong. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I think you did it right: the conversation is going again and everyone is thinking about things. Job done.
- WorldofHiglet
Surprised you lasted this long with that many users.
- Mark Chandler
Forget about them, Rob. Heck, I may even follow in your footsteps! Seems like all I'm getting anymore is links to products I don't want or sites I have no interest in visiting. Oh ... as far as the green avatar goes, you should have it say "Scoble Smash!" underneath you!
- Thomas Ward
I miss the Robert Scoble with long thoughtful blog posts and video interviews. I understand that it is not easy to find the balance between the conversations/interactions thingy and the content thingy.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin: I've been posting a LOT of video. But, yeah, need to get back to doing long blogs.
- Robert Scoble
I'll give you that $20 for your lists! *giggle*
- Arleen Anderson
We should remember Twitter is Sociability.
- Felipe Aneudi Campana
from fftogo
Hmm. Do you post all your videos on your blog? different content on blog, building43, somewhere else? I liked the Office 10 videos.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
you were telling people that they didn't "get it" for doing exactly what you are doing now
- Eber Irigoyen
Edwin: I post them all here. Pro videos at http://www.building43.com Videos shot with my Canon 5D on http://scobleizer.blip.tv Finally, live videos at http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer -- but they all are aggregated here.
- Robert Scoble
lame, wrong, and awesome. Keep it up!
- motownmutt
Eber: yes, I told Loic that. Again, my heart was in the right place. I wanted to get DM's from everyone who wanted to follow me. Turned out that was a bad strategy because of spammers. So I was wrong. I'm often wrong. Keep that in mind when I tell you off. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is the one doing it wrong. They should just read our minds and learn what information we need and publish it to our home page. No need to follow anyone in that case.
- Sumanth Kolar
dont worry Sumanth, google will take care of that ;)
- Kashif Khan
There could come a time when I reverse strategy, in six months, as you did, and you can mock me then. But right now, I am keeping the door open to new contacts and not wiping them away. FriendFeed is my high quality network.
- Louis Gray
Thanks Robert! It just occurred to me one alternative to domain squatting is embarrassing Avatar adoption. Your $20-at-a-time strategy is more credible than most monetization schemes (scams?)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
It would seem to me you did it "right" as it brought a strategic challenge to light. It's been the source of some great posts and conversation. It's not as though things are unsalvagable even if you made a miscalculation. As a strategist I don't think there is a generic right or wrong way. You have to align your social media activity to meet your goals. If your approach on Twitter wasn't working to meet your goals then you did the right thing.
- Jim Goldstein
There is no wrong way to use a resource that is infinitely customizable. Well, perhaps there are illegal or immoral ways, and thus "wrong." But not the case here.
- Justin Long
I've seen everywhere (it seems) that social media is all about the user's experience, that they should determine what's best for themselves. Yet, I constantly see posts and threads about how to do it right. I don't care what Robert is doing, because he has other reasons for using it than I do, and on down the line. Too much of social media "time" is spent discussing social media.
- Steve Lowe
One question, Robert: What would you guess is your reach in terms of unique users? (if you combine all the channels you are on?)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Do your thing man. You know leaders are always jeered before they are applauded -- don't wait for the applause <grin>
- Pam Baker
Very much in agreement with what Steve Lowe just argued.
- Marcos
" Too much of social media "time" is spent discussing social media. - Steve Lowe " SOOO TRUE!!!
- cheapsuits
Robert I agree. The lists feature is one of the most valued.
- Drew Lucas
from iPhone
Robert, "right" or "wrong" is immaterial here. Each user gets something different out of their use of social media. So each user constantly adjusts their social media experience to fit what they want to receive. Your mass unfollowing is not wrong. Your user paradigm changed.
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Not clueless. You're simply learning more-and-more about web 2.0 and social media as you go. Trying different approaches. Ultimately it's your #Twitter account and you can do with it as you please.
- Eric D. Wilson
Robert: My heart was in the right place too when I followed back my first porn tweet follow from an email notification - I honestly didn't realise at the time ;-) Boy did that open up the flood gates! My main advice on twitter now is to stay away from any girl with three numbers as her surname :D I can only imagine the spam you got from auto-following to 106,000 follows. Each day we get older and wiser :)
- 1x29
Robert: can you write a blog post about how you setup your groups in friendfeed? I this it would make for an interesting read.
- Bryan Lee
When you were using auto-follow, it made the most sense to do so. Twitter changed, you examined what was working and what wasn't working, and made some adjustments. You are still doing it right. You also invested your time in FriendFeed pretty early on. That was also a good decision. (That will be $25, thank you.)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
I'm no expert and I don't care how you handle your tweeples... I'm just curious how you were able to avoid being suspended for mass unfollowing. My account was suspended after I cleared out 20 or so folks I didn't want to follow any longer. It's against their latest TOS to mass unfollow or follow. Your celebrity in the tech world probably gets you the free pass on the TOS violation, yeah?
- t i n y m
I'm not of that mindset, if all adopted that mindset and only followed very close knowns what would you have? A phone call
- JuneM
Tinym: He used one of the premium services on SocialToo.com You have the ability to either Unfollow everyone that isn't following you back or you can unfollow everyone.
- Bryan Lee
Thanks Bryan. I used a third party service to unfollow too - I still got suspended. I guess my third party service wasn't as good as SocialToo...
- t i n y m
i dont really understand their argument...i had to mass unfollow some people as well, as I was getting spam and it was clogging up the stream.
- Crackle
I just joined FF today due to a few factors: 1) Twitter went down and a light bulb went off 2) I've been following you for quite awhile and you're not lame nor do I think you're doing it wrong and 3) I finally acted upon all the advice you've shared about FF. If you follow me back, fine. At any rate, I'm following you here. I do like the threaded message form, which trumps any Twitter app. I'm also looking for value, not noise.
- MR
It just signified your preference to communicate with high numbers on FriendFeed where everyone can be organized, searched and found- it is thus more meaningful. On Twitter it was chaos for you that way and everyone lost. Why lie?
- E-Advocate Network
MR:Welcome to FriendFeed.
- Bryan Lee
I thought you should've done it sooner.
- Ben Parr
agree w/ Ben
- michael sean wright
LOL. Just a theological point: God's following everyone (or not) is not a theological explanation for why bad things happen to good people. But I'm guessing you're speaking tongue-in-cheek?
- Justin Long
Change is natural. It's part of innovation. We adjust to new tools and technologies as they evolve, and because our methods of using them change, the tools evolve. Sometimes they (or us) take even a bigger leap and revolutionize. Then we get the next big thing, or take the next significant step in history. It's far better that you adapted, Robert, based on your findings, needs and experiences, than continued on with previous use patterns.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
People are haters. Ignore the idiots.
- Nile Flores
I second Nile even when I disagree with you Robert! (((pu liki))) spreading Aloha!
- Arleen Anderson
New blog post: you are SO unfollowed! http://scobleizer.com/2009... I'll follow on FriendFeed anyone who comments here:
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Follow me!
- TheHenry
TheHenry: I already am! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Please don't unfollow me!! :)
- Carlo Nasuti
Very interesting approach Robert. If it is working for you that is awesome though. Hope all is well. Give Roc a big hug for me.
- C.C. Chapman
Yo...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Not too much unfollowing please.
- Tim
i'm in
- Tai Hsia
Can you follow me?
- Giorgio
ok I'll allow you
- Derry O Donnell
What's going on here?
- Andru Edwards
I think you're already following me Robert.
- Andrew Leahey
well ok )
- Denverken
Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
- Robert Kenney
[comments here]
- Nick Humphries
I will comment here! :)
- John Ptacek
Great blog appreciate all of your "likes" that I would not have noticed before. Thanks for all the time you spend educating us.
- Gary Prechtel
auto-follow always seemed like a bad idea. people can always msg you but your stream will get totally cluttered if you dont do a little bit of housekeeping.
- William Kapes
"baby I'm a star" -Prince (off purple rain)
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
novel approach, seems sound
- Danny Ayers
Consider me available for following. :-)
- Eric D. Wilson
Okay, I'll bite..
- Tanya
Bring it Scobleizer.
- Todd Pringle
I agree, Twitter is much better this way.
- Ryan W
I appreciate your work, and your passion for social media.
- Evan Travers
sounds simple...
- Mateo Yadarola
Scoble follow me baby
- Jadito
Oh you are getting quite a response here!!!! I'm commenting so you'll follow me but the thing is you're going to LIKE following me because you'll learn all about Sedona through tons of videos and you'll love it so much you'll want to pack your camera and head out here! =)
- SedonaTV
Thanks for the mentions, Robert (and you know I'm not commenting just for the follow - I just like to follow you, which is what counts!)
- Jesse Stay
Actually Robert, now I've seen you've tidied up your twitter, I'll probably follow you there again too. :-)
- Tim
hey follow me scoble
- Andy Jenks
Meh, who cares really, not like you read everyone you followed. Plus unfollowed you anyways, not like you have to say that's interestined except friendfeed spam.
- Steve
joining the crowd - good move Robert.
- Adam
follow me
- Tai Hsia
welcome to Boulder
- Andrew Hyde
@scobleizer just created the most important tech follow list on Twitter.
- Christian Anderson
aww shucks, and here I was thinking it was just me who you unfollowed.
- Jess Sloss
I underwent the same situation, Robert - I unfollowed almost everybody on Twitter who duplicated their accounts here on FrF. I got a tempest of fury for this action. web3 is too personal still ))
- massagin
Scoble in Boulder = Trouble.
- Jim Halligan @jim
I feel fortunate that you're still subbed to me on FF. I haven't even noticed whether you unfollowed me on Twitter. But you following me, still hasn't gotten me the chicks. :P Always fun seeing your posts, long as you don't block me, it doesn't matter if you follow me or not. :)
- Arlan Koizumi
I did the same thing some weeks ago after avoiding twitter because it got too noisy. It was instantly better. But in the mean time I started to use FF more and I like it better here so I hardly go near twitter now.
- Murray Barton
You already follow me here on ff, which i use more than twitter.
- dthree
What's up?
- Kevin Whalen
from iPhone
Hey Robert, so for following >1,600 is it that right way taken by Philtro and Filttr?
- Martin Adamek
I'm glad you mentioned Loic, he caught a lot of flack for doing this earlier.
- Steven Cains
Hey Robert - fight the tweetspam !
- Michael Neale
Don't think you are following me on Twitter anymore..please do and best regards
- Karma Martell
I'm still trying to figure out the following... so I'm watching how you do it scoble.
- Matthew Schrock
Good plan. I'm looking forward to your results. I'm trying to figure out all these social media elements. I would appreciate your Twitter follow.
- David Stanley
hope this new approach works for you!
- timepilot
Oh, so now you are only easy on FF.
- James Watters
Odd internal response, I don't follow everyone who follows me cuz of the very noise you talk about. And, there's no good reason for you to follow me since I'm unlikely to deliver news of interest to you. And yet, here I am, posting on FriendFeed so you have the OPTION of following me, a stranger who is not the same kind of SMART as you. Who'd have thought...
- Della Mauler
Interesting statement about original content value of FF independent of twitter. Twitter is where you keep your noise level down...
- James Watters
This seems like asking for trouble to me, Scoble. But, it's your time and bandwith to do with what you will. Since only a handful of people (by that I think I mean just one) follow me on Twitter, it's pretty easy for me to weed out the bots. The people I follow are my internet nerds (mostly the Rev 3 crew) so I know their interests are in line with mine. Hit me up for some edifying conversations about Lost and video games, Robert.
- Jeremiah Green
Here you go Robert! [also via twitter: @Scobleizer Therefore: only approx. 1.7 million "active" human @Twitter users contribute 50%+ of all activity, right? #engagement] Regards, @AAinslie
- Alexander Ainslie
The green avatar is so disturbing mate. :)
- Jordan Windebank
I'll lead, you follow. So where are we going?
- Tom Sheppard
I was sad to see you unfollowed me, but now you may follow me again, so all will be well in the world.
- Jodi
following the leader...
- John Munro
You're still following me - does that mean I'm a smart feller? ;)
- Brett Kelly
so glad I mail Robert a business card every month :)
- Christian Anderson
Della: the thing is here I can follow you and put you into a list and watch you less frequently than some of my other people. So everyone wins. But only here on FriendFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Some of us have been doing this from our start. Kind of cool, eh? But our numbers don't grow quickly so we were tagged as "slow." Nice to see you catch up with us! Also, this may shock you, there sre folks who follow and communicate with only 3 folks on twitter and they are HAPPY! Imagine....
- lynda spangler
Yay. Now he will follow a librarian.
- Joe
Follow this dot!!! .
- Bwana ☠
I've long thought the entire Twitter "etiquette" of always following who follows you to be a bit of a folly. I'm following 114 at the moment, and the stream still moves too fast for me to keep up with.
- Darren Landrum
Comment!
- anna sauce
ok
- Vasu Srinivasan
Good test, count me in... I don't follow tons of people, I follow a few prolific Scoble-types and the rest are more focused in areas I'm interested in.
- David Ziembicki
I'm not following tons of people, just a select few. More to follow on FB when facebook has completely integrated Friendfeed-funcionality. ;-)
- Wolfgang G. Wettach
I only follow people I know or have something interesting to say, did you really have 160000 people that said something worthwhile???
- Gerard van Schip
Well I commented via your Blog so instead of repeating myself I'll link to comment http://disq.us/1ms9
- Keith - @tsudo
Gerard: everyone says something worthwhile once in a while. The trick is to see it when it happens. Here on FriendFeed, by the way, you have a better shot because good stuff usually gets liked and commented on, so it pulls up higher into my view.
- Robert Scoble
come join us here folks http://ff.im/6dUHN xxx
- Mark
Okay. But will you read and comment on my stuff?
- Mellissa Claus
Robert, I posted this after Loic's decision and it looks like it will need another update. http://www.knowthenetwork.com/blog... I think there is value in stating your follow policy.
- Keith - @tsudo
cool
- Zach Cheatham
Hello?
- Vicky
following all the discussion of you unfollowing everyone on twitter has made me think about doing the same thing and starting fresh.
- (jeff)isageek
not unless we beat you in the Ashes
- Mark
Nice post Robert, and no surprise it's an improvement. ;o) I have seen it for me too.
- Rob Sellen :o)
1 thing I find Robert still worth following @Scobleizer when I am not on friendfeed & on my Hootsuite or PeopleBrowsr. therefore not much affected, not much 2 bother me, ego not gone at all. luv your post Robert it is a frank posting
- polou/indigo_bow
Follow me Robert, I promise I'm not annoying. :) @cluteman
- Greg Clute
from iPhone
You've piqued my curiosity.
- Kathy
Robert, thank you! I follow you and enjoy your "likes" and your energetic takes. I also enjoy your Building43 interviews! I am a constant FriendFeed user now. Thank you!
- Tobin Truog
This made me realise I must be more active on FF and comment/post more :-).
- Mats Pettersson
I think I'll give FriendFeed a go! Never tried it, but looks easy and I need to understand the interwebs better. @CodeSamurai_Com
- CodeSamurai
butt-kissing is not a prerequisite for being followed, he will follow you anyways :D
- Mark
Count me in! (Please??)
- Ricky Maveety
lol @mark. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
You can follow me, but since you follow a lot of people, you probably can't pay attention to the stream of tweets.
- Alex Knight
Alex..that's the WHOLE point he did this... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
IMHO 1,647 is still way too many people to follow.
- Alex Knight
I will NOT get baited into ... ah CRAP. I follow very few people on twitter, mainly only to find info from Android developers (my topic of choice). If you mention anything about the food you are currently eating, etc.. you will probably not be followed. If you post 80,000 times a day, you will not be followed, since Twitters interface sucks (not so for FF). Also, no offense to other social users, but if you resend your FF/FB/<insert other social site here> entries to twitter, I probably won't follow.
- Tim Hoeck
http://socialspark.com/blogs... Chris Pirillo is Scum.
- Mark
good move IMO
- Joanna Nicol
Love the post, love the response.
- Chris Rogers
from BuddyFeed
nice hanging out at with beach w/ you last week! follow moi!!!
- Raina Lee
I always feel like scoble's following me
- Rodney J Woodruff
from iPhone
Don't forget your Dunbar number, Scoble! There are only so many people you can have meaningfully connect with online.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Mark is right. No butt kissing. Ew.
- Robert Scoble
"I always feel like, somebody's watching me..."
- Wizetux
Comment!!!! Ohh wait but you already follow me...
- Amit Nangare
Follow me, if you aren't already....please. Thanks,
- Steve de Mena
here is my comment ZOL
- Shane Gibson
Comment? What kind of coomment, Robert? :-)
- Mitch Featherston
Whoop there it is! On Twitter @jimgoldstein
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
Oh..Oh... Mr. Kotter...Mr Kotter..follow me!
- Scott Booher
Glad to see you're writing more than 140 characters on that blog. Doesn't that feel liberating? Maybe we should be allowed character# based on your metric for powerful/smart/newsmaker
- Noah Bloom
You already follow me here on FF, for which I thank you. So, I'll just say thanks for the phone call the other day. :)
- Jeff Harbert
I'll take a follow!
- Jeff Weber
@shaunhess
- Shaun Hess
Ok, so follow me again and I will follow you back. Thanks!
- Audrey
Robert - I fail on most of your criteria so I'm not expecting you to follow me. The thing is I don't care if you follow me back - this is social media and everyone has their own choice. I choose to follow you because you entertain and inform me. The relationship is 100% one way and I am more than happy with that!
- Pon
Robert - Last night at GDGT Party the person at the Blackberry booth said: 1) She had 'heard of Twitter, never friend feed' uses neither 2) Is SCOBLE is coming tonight 3) Wow, your Blackberry is really "archaic" and find out when contract lets you upgrade. F-D UP? Booth babes need primers.
- Liza
Interesting theory... people who comment more apt to contribute?
- Mark Philpot
I know someone else who tried this strategy last year, with similar results. I've been debating it. Once I got over 3K followers on Twitter life just got weird. Started to spend X amount of time every day blocking porn spam.
- Patricia F. Anderson
Liza: yeah, sorry for not coming to the party. I went and saw Obama's CTO instead.
- Robert Scoble
Steve Lynch: my Dunbar number is higher than yours is. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Nice summary Robert on the whole Unfollow thing, but would it be too repetitive if I re-post on my FF?
- Keith Rowland
What is the best friend feed aggregation strategy of non-friend streams (eg RSS, twitter, etc)? Imaginary friend per service, then add to lists? Multiple services per imaginary friend or 1 to 1? Or add the services to a group? What are the considerations?
- John Brown
Keith: you can repost anywhere you like, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
I'm in!
- Craig Shipp
still wondering how you are able to handle such a big load of subscribers here and e.g. so many followers with twitter o_0. I am already (sometimes) lost with the few i got till now. Lately with one sweep almost 40 to 50 contacts in twitter disappeard and i have no clue why ... boah, how are you handling the noise? Hell, with so many ppl in, you might have a terrific noise? Or you wear just good headphones ;)?
- Ronald
I very much agree that being choosy is the key to Twitter. I'm not nearly on the scale that you are, but in my experience, freely following people (whetther they follow me or not) and then mercilessly cutting back on them over and over again results in a kind of darwinianly better and better signal to noise ratio.
- Tim Maly
Touche!
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Count me in
- Johnny
Hi Robert
- Randy Allen Bishop
Liked the blog post and totally agree. I've been meaning to do something similar. What I do is occasionally prune and then add some "better" replacements, so my total is always 2000 follows.
- Bora Zivkovic
I don't see how anyone can manage so many users without groups. Then again, with groups you could just make an "ignore" group.
- Oscar M. Cantu
from iPhone
Great blog post. I totally agree on the noise level. I figure I have blocked a few hundred accounts on Twitter, and my noise level has dropped dramatically. Thanks for the follow!
- Tony "Frosty" Welch
Hello Hello!
- Sam Goldfield
Robert - I figured you were in DC from FF, but she had NO IDEA what a CTO is. Point is, she was eager to give you a Blackberry, but not me, and I wish I had a Scoble costume to pretend for 5 minutes.
- Liza
@Robert I think you are starting another mass follow again.
- Steve Chou
from fftogo
Steve: that's not the problem. As long as spam doesn't enter the system I can deal. Keep in mind here I can choose how I follow. I can put you all in a folder that I never look at, if I wanted to.
- Robert Scoble
my feelings were hurt that you unsubscribed to me on twitter, but i agree with your methods
- Brian Appleby
I'm in!
- Chris Rossini
Brian, yeah, but I follow you here. So there.
- Robert Scoble
really doesn't matter as long as i can follow you, that's the beauty of these services
- Brian Appleby
How did you come to follow so many to begin with? I get annoyed with ppl and unfollowing is easier than sifting through their garbage constantly.
- R1CC1
Autofollow was a horrible idea to begin with.
- David Chieng
I kind of tired to keep an eye on who follows me now,the ones I'm following is much more important.:-)
- Steve Chou
from fftogo
Whoa lots of comments I'm following you longtime lol
- Edgar Rodríguez
from iPhone
Robert: we need more intelligent spam-follower-filtering on Twitter! We need to fix this.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
@David +1 I think auto follow is such a bad idea to begin with,and people like Robert now even need to pay to unfollow these people.
- Steve Chou
from IM
How much did SocialToo charge for running the unfollow script?
- Shane
I'm in!
- rich brant
from iPhone
I heard its 25 dollars.
- Steve Chou
from IM
I've always been very picky in who I follow on twitter. I follow 40 people, and I can't guarantee that I see every single tweet. I don't scroll back usually, unless it's my "Real Life" column in Tweetdeck that couldn't fit on my screen.
- Tom Ribbens
My birthday is also January 18th, therefore you must follow me Robert! ;)
- Chris Luckhardt
from BuddyFeed
Thanks Steve! $25 is pretty reasonable. Wonder if anyone else will be jumping on the bandwagon
- Shane
Haha....I also threw the devil horns for Scobleizer...that should count for something. ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Chris Luckhardt
from BuddyFeed
OK, let's try it! And what about Twitter?
- Alexei Zheglov
Thanks for your post. Last time I checked you follow me here on FriendFeed. OK not to follow me on Twitter.
- Pilgrim Five
Smart way to clean house.
- Jeremy Chone
u have already subscribing me although i am just a-staying-at-home mum =)). thanx scoble. u are really a nice geek. haha!
- zʍıɔ
Let's do it.
- Kate
this is like an awesome commentfest
- Edgar Rodríguez
You can follow me, but I never say anything. Oh.. wait....
- James Macgill
follow me!
- Tate DA FF MVP
from BuddyFeed
Sometimes the tortoise beats the hare after all... building organically based on getting to know people and interactions tends to avoid the ghastly spammers, seo peeps and bots
- Sally Church
Tap, tap... is this thing on?
- Yanik Falardeau
This is the best place to follow you. On twitter you only see post headlines, but friendfeed is where the conversation takes place.
- Michael Fidler
Ah crap. You're already following me :)
- Jason Nunnelley
I'm outside your sphere, but bootstrapping is bootstrapping right?
- Travis Bedard
Tuesday night for the first time in 2 months I UNfollowed everyone on Twitter who wasn't following me. Since you had UNfollowed me, yup I unfollowed you. My Twitter account is so /FUBARed! It only goes to page 506 to show who I'm following and after that it is BLANK! I don't even know if they show in my Home stream. So Robert, I value what you say. Know I can tweet profusely - but it's as @replies to others with the occasional micro-blog thrown in. Question, what DID I do to cause you to UNfollow me?
- Arleen Anderson
I hope you'll follow me...
- Shane Tilton
Follow me, eh?
- Joey Gibson
Trying to fill out those dropped Twitter follows?
- Jamie Elgie
Scoble: Have you convinced Guy Kawasaki against his "follow everyone that follows you" mentality?
- Kevin Pruett
please do what you must to have the most effecient feed mr scoble, the random will still creep through the cracks, ;)
- chaz2b
I still haven't really adopted FriendFeed, but I will get interesting here in time if you follow me.
- Lance M. Brown
How are your cleanup efforts coming along?
- Jennifer Ruggiero
Oops - I also meant to ask, Robert: how are you managing to follow the couple thousand that you are now re-following on Twitter? You must be using groups, I guess...any other methods? I find ~500 people to be a near max in terms of how many folks I can fully read.
- Lance M. Brown
Following your inspiration, I unfollowed almost 100 people last night and blocked about 1000 spammers, cam girls, MLM marketers, and the like. Twitter is more like it was a year ago, its almost like I gave my Twitter account an enema and it worked. Thanks for the original idea.
- Mark Edwards
Excellent!
- Don Strickland
Robert, I started out only following those I know and those I am genuinely interested in. I've only followed back a few of the people who've followed me. I have a second account that I decided to experiment with. I followed about 700 people on there. It has had about double the followers of my main account consistently. I am about to try some new tricks there with an auto-follow script I'm writing but I think I will stay the course with my main account.
- Paul The Raven
Robert, I tried the "follow everyone" (almost) method for a short time - then I'd unfollow about once-a-week. Now I try to schedule a "follow new" once a week. TweetDeck's group feature makes following lots of folks bearable. So does FF, but you've been saying that for-ever!
- Kathy E Gill
I am just taking it slow.
- Rick Cogley
from iPhone
Hey.
- Kreg Steppe
I will follow you if you follow me (Genesis)
- Keith Barrett
I may not be smart, but I'm smart enough to follow you!
- John Pfaff
It occurred to me (and surely to someone before me), that different definitions of "following" might be a big factor here. If I'm following someone, it means I'm following along with their updates. But others might see themselves more as becoming part of a person's "following". Not that they are necessarily reading the person's stuff, but they are willing to be considered part of that person's inflated Twitter posse, as part of the influence-trading aspect of Twitter.
- Lance M. Brown
Robert, I think that the biggest thing that changed is not that you were "wrong" (to follow everyone) before but that the Twitter population has changed so much. A year ago, pretty much everyone on Twitter was real, and interesting - now there's so much automated gaming the system going on that the signal to noise ratio has gotten unbearable. So I think anyone who cares about more than...
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- Matthew Blaisdell
I can't imagine how it would happen technologically, but it would be great if there was a way to ditch followers who weren't actually reading your tweets.
- Lance M. Brown
Enjoyed recent posts and look forward to more from you! Keep it up.
- One Degree Connected
I don't want to be left out please!!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Your most active followers are on FF. No loss.If you really wanted to make a bold statement you ought to have blocked all of your followers and started from scratch.
- Benjamin Taylor
Been a while since I put you and Shel On the record...Online
- Eric Schwartzman
blah.
- imabonehead
Good article Robert. I honestly enjoyed the perspective. I found the same to be true, but on a much lower scale, of course ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
i'm in!
- Criz
I don't get it - so now you are using Twitter kinda like a normal person, and its some kind of miracle that it works better?
- Nick Lothian
I'm impressed you can keep up with 1600 people. I have trouble enough with the little amount I have. I did find that making FriendFeed imaginary friends and putting them in groups for those I'd like to read occasionally (but not on a regular basis) has helped a lot
- Tamara
Follow....how about some promotion!
- Bob DeMarco
i'm in
- Joshua Smith
from twhirl
9/11 Was an Inside Job
- bill giltner
Stop it, or I will have to get a restraining order.
- Sriks7
In my mind I'm important enough to follow ;-)
- Jonathan Callahan
Hello Robert....Whatever your favorite genre is...http://listen.grooveshark.com/#...
- Michele Lorito-Chase
Looks like you have a lot of work to do following everybody.
- Corbett Barr
now i'll have to write something interesting...
- Robert Littlejohn
me! i offer nothing but the warm feeling of having accepted a ff reject.
- Marco
ok. so how will you filter the noise now
- Kfir Pravda
Ooo, I've won the lottery. You'll follow me now. Wheeee! (how do you have the time to go through all of the names by hand? VA assistance?)
- Peggy Dolane
Great :)
- Baard @ Pixum
Interesting trend on twitter - I always wondered what sense it made to follow tens of thousands of people, too much noise. I'm finding it hard enough to follow 2900 (looking to cull even that down as I mostly tweet about 30 people!)
- Tia Singh, Life Coach
211th comment: WTF
- Geer
Good :)
- ★ Soner Gönül
I like your ability to influence so many people. I'm following you (mostly here - on FriendFeed) because it's one of the ways to learn how you do it (but, please, do not follow me if you do not see anything you could learn from me :-).
- Hanna Wiszniewska
I would come up w/ a better vetting process.
- Joe
why would you do that?
- james
got to get a pic up so i can fit the criteria, I only follow 45 people and some of them are on thin ice ( Im lookin at you Scoble)
- James Hunter
"Where in The Net is Robert San Diego?" (cit.) :-)
- Luca Perugini
from iPhone
I'm not kissing your arse,but i do learn a lot listening to you.
- Paul Downing
@scobleizer why would you randomly follow people who comment in this post when you just got done knocking FFollo and having to unfollow a gazillion people on Twitter?
- Bryan Zirkel
Bryan: because I'm following people one by one and putting them into lists on my screen. Autofollowing means you aren't doing ANY of that thinking. Also, autofollowing will get you spammers, if they ever show up (and they will).
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: Read your blogpost and that's indeed what I look at to follow people too. No autofollow and even close friends have to tell something interesting for me to (keep) following. Friends who are new to Twitter (no tweets yet) get the benefit of doubt.
- Patrick Mackaaij
If you follow me, great, but if you don't I'll understand. :) And I ought to do some pruning myself...
- Grant Bierman
Let's give it a try. :0)
- Toma Kazakov
I still don't understand how you want to follow someone who just writes a comment over here. Well, this is not the first time. I did not understand why and how you followed 100k people. I find it hard to properly follow 100 people.
- Sumanth Kolar
Sumanth: obviously there are degrees of "following." When you read the New York Times, do you read the entire paper word for word? I don't. Same when I'm following. I only get random slices of some of my lists. Others, which have 500 people on them, get 100% read.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still here . . . although tired after teaching all day. Louis Gray came to my PR class at SFSU and WOWED the 50 students [except for one who thinks we are making too much of social media] We won't be following him.
- Shari Weiss
I like cheese!
- Paul Puri
Shari: Louis wows me too. Glad to see the class is getting into it.
- Robert Scoble
He he :)
- Richard Holas
I still like the "stranger stream" of Twitter vs "friend feed" of other applications. I don't feel the need to read all tweets from everybody - and tools let me check my fave tweeples. I think mass unfollowing destroys some of the social contract - Robert you are lucky because you are well liked and can do some risky things but companies for example (not Brands of One) would be in...
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- Laurel Papworth
As @charleneli predicted back in January, 2009 will be the year of de-friending on social networks. It's here.
- Mark Evans
Laurel: yeah, you have to navigate these waters carefully if you are representing a brand, that's for sure!
- Robert Scoble
you can put me on your boring list...
- Charles Tanton
i will not get followed back: not powerful, don't have a brand, not a news maker... but i kinda understand the reasons
- Dani Martínez
I still think it all goes into how you use twitter. If your using it as a communication tool it depends on if you are looking for broadcast or 2 way. Its interesting to watch as some of the bigger names turn back from the broadcast and go back to the 2 way.
- Luke Kilpatrick
@Robert so when you're taking in information from FF do you have a feed of several dozen/hundred "key" people and then categorize the rest, or are you mainly searching? Do you utilize groups at all or mainly just rely on what comes across your feeds? I guess I'm curious as to how you're using FF to collect information.
- Bryan Zirkel
I have found Twitter becomes noise rather than a conversation once the following/follower thing gets over a certain mark. I think this is the dirty little secret of Twitter - if it just turns into white noise, rather than a filter, then it becomes less than useful.
- Michael Liss
I'm interested in how we'll all feel over the next few years as social networks continue to change and more people and organizations get on them. Obviously, many of us are getting fed up with spammers and are unfollowing them on Twitter and Facebook. I am also having a hard time keeping up with new subscribers on FriendFeed because I know less about them from their profiles and have to...
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- Cathryn Hrudicka
BTW, I feel like I'm finding lots of interesting new people to follow from these discussions that Robert and others are holding on FF. Cool!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Am I too late to comment and get followed?
- Hichame Assi
I'm definitely around :)
- KyNam Doan
Aren't you following me already? If not, you should be! LoL
- Thomas Ward
I'm definitely late to be followed. :D
- Faraz Mullick
I don't get it but ok :)
- Parvez Halim
LOL! I follow those I find interesting and which can give me useful information. And hope someone follows me for the same reasons.
- Flavio
Very interesting post - I've always thought that you guys who follow loads of people must get completely swamped by noise! Like you, I've found it useful to follow companies I use that have interesting products like Zoho and Evernote as a way of keeping up to date with their latest innovations. Excellent idea spelling out your "follow criteria" - it needs to become standard etiquette for social networks so that people don't get offended when they aren't followed back :) .
- David Meredith
aren't you doing the same thing here, that you did in Twitter? Choose carefully who you follow, filling your brain with pollution doesn't make you smarter
- Allison
Just finished reading the Mashable post on your unfollow exercise. It's attracting attention from all the other big names now.
- George Hall (Australia)
Very interesting indeed, I only to unfollow a few, cause I just never had auto follow on.. So now I just unfollow the ones I'm bored of..
- Jaap Willem
Seems like a good idea. Although Louis Gray also has a few valid points on his latest blog post why it might be a mistake http://bit.ly/19UKxk
- Silver Hage
I've never understood the auto-follow procedure on any social network. Even on Facebook, where it is obligatory, one can still lower the noise by simply hiding the updates of those who want to follow you, but perhaps also have little personal connection and therefore can be hidden.
- Noah Gray
It seems like the unfollowing was the easy part. Choosing who to follow again must have been a chore. I think it is crucial in twitter (and FriendFeed for that matter) to have a clear out every six months or so otherwise you get bogged down in an information feed you don't really care about.
- Chris Nixon
I can totally understand why you had to do this. I'm following 2700-ish folks on Twitter and I need 3 groups to manage it (using TweetDeck). I feel I am keeping up with most of my local community and the general tech community at large though I'm sure I'm still missing quite a bit of stuff from people who are not in the 3 groups. I also wonder how much more I can actually handle.
- Ken Seto
Um... well, I made something of myself, but then I didn't like what I made, so now I'm doing it all over again. Not sure how that fits with your criteria! Plus, I really don't have a brand or any influence to speak of. I do look great in boxers, however.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
OK, OK, changed my picture. Instead of a green clock (a clock is my personal brand) I put a picture of myself. A lot of people told me to do that....
- Bora Zivkovic
I am still looking for info on holographic technology being used for news delivery. Perhaps it's a technology that hasn't even been invented yet or is sitting on a shelf somewhere. What say you? http://specialdee.wordpress.com/2009...
- Denise
Hoping your new look account has had the desired effect. No need to follow me, I'm not the interesting type, I'll just be glad if your insights, links & content continues. Congrats & good luck
- JanLawrence
Here's what's interesting, Robert, I've noticed an uptick in followers even if you reply or RT or like someone's tweet, not just if you follow that person. Then again, perhaps that's the intent - if you like or RT someone's idea, that's a kind of stamp of approval.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Hej hej!
- Peter
The Scoble Pendulum.. How long till we go back to FOLLOW!! FOLLOW!!! FOLLOW!!!! ? :)
- Adrian Scicluna
I did a purge on Facebook for the same reasons a few months ago. It's under 300 and it's people I actually care about. I've come "this close" to running a purge on Twitter but haven't yet. Maybe this will spark me to do it. I've kept FF tight from the beginning.
- Rob Williams
moving from FB to FF ... fewer, longer, more meaningful threads. welcoming your follow. cheers
- marc calamia
ok, you´re following me already :-)
- Torsten Eckert
alright - follow me... - thx in advance Robert Scoble...
- Nilesh
All that commenting in the past counts for nothing?
- Kevin Gamble
Hey Robert... Great post... On FriendFeed, I increasingly put people without meaningful and valuable content on a separate feed that I rarely check... Its a more "sensible" way to unfollow, i think... I only unsubscribe if I get pissed at someone etc. I wish, FF gave users the option to only unsubscribe from comments and likes (but keep the main feed). This would be a good tool to control the noise...
- Onur Kabadayi
I agree with Robert (duh!). I very briefly made the effort of checking out the new follows and deciding whether to follow back. I think once I hit a thousand I shifted to a model of occasionally saying, "If you want me to follow you, talk to me." Hit two thousand and quit saying anything or checking followers. I don't care if they follow me as long as they either say useful things like real people or don't talk at all. I've never autofollowed back. This strategy works for me.
- Patricia F. Anderson
I have a large difference between people I follow (around 2000) and people who follow me (around 1800) - I choose people who are important sources of information. People choose me if they think I am an important source of information to them. I never thought it would have to be a one-to-one relationship as to who is useful to whom: some are informative, others are good listeners and learners. I learn from people I follow and I hope my followers learn from me.
- Bora Zivkovic
I also think that those of us who follow larger numbers of people don't use the stream in the same way. It is more dipping in and out of the stream, trusting that the important stuff will be repeated enough to float to the top, engaging with conversations of the moment. I wrote a blogpost on this earlier this year: http://etechlib.wordpress.com/2009...
- Patricia F. Anderson
Someone told me twitter can be separated into two types. (id say at least two)
- Kay Proskin
Scoble, I am beginning to think you are a cult leader :). Look at all these comments! I am using FF more and more these days... Useful for eGuiders.com that's for sure.
- Marc Ostrick
I'm not sure your following me.
- Amit Morson
Hey Scobie :D Follow me !
- paniaguai
I like Robert. He was one of the first people I followed on Twitter and brought me to FF. But I don't understand why people are desperate to have him follow them. Status? Some kind of virtual autograph?
- Tech Introvert
What the heck. Follow me if you like. I'll be as entertaining & informative as I can.
- Aaron Schaub
from iPod
Been considering doing the same. Your post just might be the flame that lights a fire you-know-where to get it done.
- @katebuckjr
Well done! Who need followers that aren't reading your tweets anyway.
- Sean Rasmussen
I just want a toaster!
- ZuDfunck
I'm considering doing same once I'm more confident in my use of FriendFeed. I RT'd this and it resonated with at least one of my followers.
- Tony Hollingsworth
'Hand-crafted personal network' is the meme of the moment, and whilst I can see the workmanship, where's the value going to be for you, Robert, in following this rag-tag (no offence people :) ) of folks from a gazillion different verticals. (OK, so they're mostly life scientists).
- Andrew Spong
I use to want to be Bob Dylan. Now I am not so sure.
- ZuDfunck
um.....
- Spencer
My take: you can't be an authentic, credible voice to your community if you let 'sex & dollars' spammers hang on to your coattails. Spam followers matter.... in a bad way. Allowing them to be associated with you diminishes your potential value to genuine followers. It's a pain. It takes time. It's worth doing. More on this, if interested: http://tr.im/vJwb
- Andrew Spong
I'll have mine to go.
- ZuDfunck
Hope to see more "old fashioned blogging", like it better than tweets. Tweets are bound to disappear into oblivion the moment they're posted.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
"Spam followers matter.... in a bad way." - I certainly agree with this. I block pornbots just as quickly as they follow me. I'm less vigilant about the commercial follows, but usually they go away by themselves after a while.
- John Craft
You're already following me here (don't care about twitter tough), so i just hope you don't un-follow, even though you probably don't understand what i'm talking about most of the time, since it's in portuguese.
- Diego Sana
So what happened to the advantages to following so many people you always talked about?
- Bas
Thanks for connecting here, still learning all the advantages of FF
- carece
@Andrew Regarding spam followers and the idea that allowing them to follow you somehow dilutes your credibility, I just have to disagree. To me that places the burden on the wrong person. I don't have time to waste pruning those who follow me, unless they are overtly annoying.My stream is public, they can follow me anyway. What matters to me is that the spammers leave me alone. If they don't, I block them. If they keep quiet, I don't care.
- Patricia F. Anderson
What is important is not who follows me, but who *I* follow.
- Patricia F. Anderson
Follow me if you want, but I gotta warn ya, it's scintillating stuff!
- Pierce Presley
Funny my twitter feed is much noisier but I have been very selective on who I follow. I have tried to make the feed relevant and actionable. At times I post things that seem out of the norm on my twitter feed but that is mainly for the few people who follow me that don't get it but I am trying to keep up their interest level. I also control who follows me, yes this breaks the model but I think the follow everyone model was broken and reckless
- Richard Gallo
Am I interesting? Dunno. I'm often controversial, tho. ;) BTW, we met in person at a Pittsburgh Blogfest, but I really don't expect you to remember that.
- Eric Williams
Enjoyed the post. I just started Twitter a few days ago to get away from Facebook. I like friendfeed the best - can't wait until it becomes more mainstream.
- Robby Parker
Awesome move. Consider that my comment please :)
- Charlotte Barker
friendfeed is definitively more evolved that Twitter. Conversely, user bases of Twitter is still its real (and unique) point of strenght...
- Marco Castellani
Don't want you to follow me (unless you find my stream of interest) but it's quite interesting the number of people that comment to get you to follow!
- Ben Drury
Hey Robert! So, I would like to talk to you about a social media company I'm working with right now. They launched a few months ago and their trajectory and momentum is pretty amazing. Oh, and I started unfollowing the noise in my Twitter after I commented on your blog post.
- Gregg Le Blanc
I'm asking the same thing Bas asked... what about your video on the benefits of following so many people? I took a stab at that method of madness by starting to follow all kinds of people, and following anyone that followed me... but I always felt like I was missing good content from good people because of all the "spam". I started to use TweetDeck to create groups/columns for...
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- Timothy Federwitz
@Patricia - reminds me that I should probably review all my twitter followers and thin things down. :)
- JA Castillo
thanks
- Keith
I like conversing with interesting people. Sometimes that means commenting to get followed, @cogiva. ;)
- Eric Williams
Hi Scoble!
- Pete Gilbert
I did almost the same thing - unfollowed about 1000 from my 1500, no attention is way better
- Maarten den Braber
Couldn't agree more. It's about time we all grew up. BTW Don't follow me. :-)
- Gee Ranasinha
Robert what's the deal with Twitter?
- stockmanmarc
Your post makes good sense. I didn't auto-follow & still find folks to unfollow because their noise gets too loud.
- Debra Ellis
Very clever. I imagine the signal to noise is sooooo much better.
- Chris Brogan
I've been thinking about unfollowing a bunch twitter folks as well. I'll look at SocialToo again. My initial experience with SocialToo wasn't good. However, it was during their infancy.
- Ron Hudson
I don't blame you at all. Leo was all over that yesterday.
- Daniel B. Honigman
why would simply leaving a comment prompt you to follow me?
- David Wescott
You're not going to change your mind and mass unfollow us are you?
- walidmREALTOR
Sup! :-)
- Jon Winters
I suspect it identifies you as a real person interested in dialog, David.
- Eric Williams
Followers are currency and you have plenty to spend
- Lee Odden
Bob, did you do anything on Twitter recently ? Did you massively refollow people ? Seems like you screwed up Twitter : down for a while... ;-)
- Enikao
Follow me! @carloscomputers
- carloscomputers
very cool timing with just before twitter goes down hard! well done Robert! @crbrowning
- Colin
@davidorban
- David Orban
I've followed you and have really enjoyed your posts. I think I would miss that
- Tom
Good to hear that your experiment has stopped the spam @lindsaydavies
- Lindsay Davies
ciao Robert!
- alex
Your ego is amazing. You make it seem like it is a special deal to be followed by you. I'm glad there are many very bright, talented people here who follow others, regardless of class, education, social status and not based on some snobbish criteria.
- RuthNH
DON'T follow me! I write in Italian :-)
- Lorenzo Strambi
Here I be
- Robert
Wow, this is a lot of comments. And kudos for following Followable people who have something interesting to contribute to your day. I'm glad you did it, because that means you'll find AND share more interesting things. This, in turn, makes you more followable too. Thanks for seeing the light, so to speak.
- ax0n
You killed twitter.
- Melissa Pierce
and now with twitter down, many will flock to here!
- Mark V. Fusco
Did this take down Twitter this morning Robert?
- frank barry
That must of taken a long time :-) I've always been a fan of twitter, but I must say they have struggled in the last few weeks. We are working with their API on a project and their seems to be an issue every other day that causes problems. Do they have what it takes?
- Chris Nadeau
I follow under 200 people and it's great. I can't imagine 1k+ . I add about three or four a month.
- Mike Janicke
I unfollow people when I find I ignore their tweets/updates. After reading your blog, I think we ALL need to be more judicious.
- Janet Barker-Evans
Is this why Twitter is down? LOL! Can't check to see if you unfollowed me. Hope not. You, Shel Israel, and Jeremiah Owyang were some of the very first people I followed way back before Twitter even had 100,000 people on the service. -- It's been a fun ride but, of course, the spammers always show up to make things difficult.
- Brenda Young
How do you really know if you should be following someone until you follow them for a while? Sometimes I don't start talking to someone until I see a common interest, then I tweet back and we start talking, but that could be months later. I don't follow everyone back, but I follow back those that interact. I will unfollow once I see that won't happen, or I don't like their tweets.
- Nadine Gilden
Twitter is victime of it own success, they have to re learn how to scal better, but more important they have to learn to share better.
- abdellah
looks like you'll need to follow at least 343 people LOL
- Shari Weiss
Friendfeed takes over for twitter finally?
- Thomas Resing
@Patricia I don't want potential followers to be put off by who is following me. I wouldn't want them to think I care more about have n+1 followers than I do about what they're going to see if they review who I've allowed to follow me. Not to cull spammers suggests I care more about my experience than theirs. To a great extent, the quality of their experience will determine the quality...
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- Andrew Spong
1600 ... isn't that a big number too? It could be you'll think again before you follow every one here :)
- Mario Gastaldi
Hi... do I get a follow?
- Jason Mayoff
If you are already following me. Will you double follow me? :)
- Brady
Still waiting for my Building 43 t-shirt. Not that I'm bitter or anything. ;-)
- Donna Tuttle
Respect your opinion Robert but we'll have to agree to disagree. Yes I despise all the FakePornSpamBots who follow me. I block as many as I can, but can't keep up. Our views differ regarding what is important to SEE! I treasure home Home stream! I read it, refresh, read, refresh and in minutes I have the pulse of the world... at least MY world! EVERYONE has something of value to share at some point. If I UNfollow tens of thousands, I will miss so much worthy of consideration.
- Arleen Anderson
Just another reason why it's good to diversify, I can still read your posts here. :)
- Luis Sandoval
Cheers!
- Jeff Wiant
Funny. I was catching up on news on Friendfeed for some odd reason. Great post; plenty for new and long-time users alike to consider there.
- Alex Howard
I'm still waiting for the ultimate tool to manage my followings - I can only manage to keep up with about 1/3 of those following me. I'd love to see something that can tell me what friends of mine also follow those that I am or those that are following me. Maybe it's out there and I missed it?
- TheDiva Rockin
Anyone interested in assessing the quality of their followers should check http://tweetblocker.com. It's pretty chastening. I aim to improve on my C rating. http://www.buzzom.com is a fun, fast way of decoupling yourself from non-reciprocal followers. You can select individuals to purge, or flush 50 random non-reciprocal followers at a time.
- Andrew Spong
Robert, your timing could not be better. ;-)
- Dave Martin
Great post, with perfect timing! Dang it, Dave Martin just took it off my lips.
- Vadim Lavrusik
I hereby rename this comment thread neoTwitter <waves at followers>
- Andrew Spong
/me waves
- Kevin Johnson
from iPhone
Awww, you gotta admit, saturation, the level of influence that you have, because of your high follower, count, is a tool of mass destruction. Seriously, did you think if you recommend an online service that people would not try it out? Was this an asassination attempt
- Peter Murphy
I'm glad i'm not the only one who misses /me actions from IRC, Kevin. ;)
- Eric Williams
With today's Twitter outage your timing is pretty stinking good, Robert. :)
- Chris Cree
Now to get the rest of the world to follow that same logic when it comes to follow/unfollow! I only started being more selective as Twitter (and everyone else) started getting aggressive with spammers or anyone that even remotely did a single spammy tweet. Now if only there were the same contact management tools available for the other social networks as with Twitter. No matter what though, I'll continue updating my status when I eat a peanut butter sandwich! (With Fluff of course!).
- Paul Monaco
Twitter couldn't handle the mass unfollow load, blew up...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I've been followed by Robert Scoble :-)
- David Finch
Follow iPolitics
- Jacob Kobi Gamliel
Now I think that it is time to think about a way to make money using Twitter.
- abdellah
@Mark, +1. When in doubt, the default delegation of blame goes to Robert.
- Dave Martin
what is critical mass for twitter? Too few and nobody interacts, Too many and spam bots overwhelm, Is it 1K or 2K needed to get a real experience?
- WarLord
Hmm can you unsubscribe from "comment notification via e-mail" in FF on a *specific* topic? This one :-)
- Patrick Mackaaij
Of course I thonk it is a different experience if you hand follow reading each bio from the beginning then these mass purges are unnecessary
- WarLord
I thought you already followed me. lol
- Duane-PreppyDude
Not sure if you do, but here I am...
- Aron Michalski
I am intrigued how RT addict will RT now?!! (ps: FF please don't post this to my twitter)
- abdellah
I have been keeping my twitter account private a majority of the time lately b/c I am going through a divorce, but I really kinda like it. Have been reducing followers as well as the number I follow.
- Jackson Miller
You should follow me here in FF and on Twitter too!
- Karthi
hopefully most of us have proven our worth beyond commenting on this single thread
- andy brudtkuhl
I like the way you operate, Scoble. Thanks in advance for the follow!
- Dr. Frank Ramblings, Ph.D
Nice way of doing it...
- Charles
No need to follow me unless you are actually going to engage in conversation with me.
- Jeff Hurt
If you're already following and we comment, will you unfollow? *wink Hoping all is well your way!
- Dayngr
4&5 are my favorite! Those are big reasons I decide to follow someone too.
- Kelly Mitton
I'm lucky. Have never had Twitter spam. But then again I'm no Scoble either :)
- Lori Reed
I am the peanut butter eating bot
- Benjamin Spector
If you are already following me on ff does that mean I get a cookie or something? ;-)
- Tomy Thomson
I'll add my name to the list. I came back to FF after the Twitter DoS outage. Maybe Scoble broke Twitter by all his unfollowing. He was the "glue" holding Twitter together. :-)
- Tom Newman
Robert: Here's the bit you missed off the end of your title here: .... and put them in that group I don't read :-)
- Jim Connolly
Hi Robert, greetings from germany.
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
add me for your social media and the practice of law news!
- Rex Gradeless
Great post. I'm sure that some people might say that this kind of mass unfollowing will hurt Twitter, but I think it's just the opposite. Users who are following people they have no interest in just to pad their own numbers are diminishing the meaning of "following."
- Mark Denton
@Ulrichmargarita
- Ulrichmargarita
To stave off being unfollowed we need to comment here ya say?
- Jason
you are already following me here... perhaps you'll consider re-following me on twitter too
- t i n y m
I don't know how you ever did it the other way. I am not in the tech world near as much as I used to be, which wasn't a whole lot. I just followed some random people I saw on SMugMug-related people on here when I started. You were one of them. I had no idea who you were (and still don't :-), but you talked about Twitter a lot too, which got me on there as well. Both services have really...
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- James Schipper
Follow away!
- Ferdinand Perez
ok 400 jackpot
- abdellah
Quality over quantity in all things, including (perhaps especially) Twitter. Loved your friending methodology -- those are the same rules I've applied since being on Twitter. Posted them onto Posterous to share the love with credit to you: http://lorilaurentsmith.posterous.com/
- Lori Laurent Smith
it's not about unfollowing, it's about filtering...
- Barak Hachamov
I started out following everyone on Twitter.Then I got wise. When someone's stream becomes more noise than signal, that's when I consider unfollowing. I realize that threshhold is different for everyone, but I'll take "what I had for lunch" over a dozen bogus "marketing tips" any day.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
Well, I am trying to use FriendFeed more after watching Scoble's video on all those monitors he had up. I'm not a big consumer of information and don't own a TV but this online social stuff has been a perfect fit into my life because I can connect with people who are fountains of knowledge on a specific subject or are "human mashups". I like both!
- Adria Richards
Why !?
- Bertrand Soulier
from iPhone
I've been reading al of this unfollow bits, and this point of yours:
- Donna
Hey, I think that today you might make your point about FriendFeed being more interesting than Twitter. Hope you are well. Talked with @fransteps this morning and she is excited to work with you at Rackspace.
- Kami Huyse
hi
- George Desmyter
I would appreciate the follow, thanks!
- Jeff Reisdorfer
I've been reading all of this un-follow posts lately, and this point of yours in WHY you unfollowed: "#2 Because I personally care about everyone I am following their noise level is a LOT lower. ." Is exactly what I do. And now I am starting to understand Friendfeed more. and using posterous to do aggregate posts. So is this overload making more people sit up and think first? I think so. At least the intelligent ones.
- Donna
I love you Scoble! ;)
- Carol Levesque
with all due sycophantism :)
- jeff hammond
This is a great move, Robert. It's also a lot more human...I was almost convinced that you were the only person who could actually drink from the fire hose without choking.
- Steffan Antonas
That sounds fair. After this morning, I've renewed my love for FriendFeed and Tweetworks. Until the next DDos attacks, of course. I will miss the fake porn stars, but I did when I moved from L.A.
- Scott Pierce
Steffan; I agree...there is no way anyone else could do what Robert S. does. It's good to see him become human.
- Robert Jones
This has been my problem for about the past six months. I routinely go in and unfollow, get the noise level down to where I want it, and then end up following back a bunch of new people, some of whom I'm incredibly grateful to get to know. When I had track, it was a whole lot easier to manage the stream, but I suspect even that tool would now be out of hand. I have a set of rules for...
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- Karoli
hee hee. i am commenting not so much to beg your follow but what a clever pitch:)
- Tresha Thorsen
Robert - I have not read all 416 comments so if this was asked and you answered forgive me. What was the all of a sudden revelation that caused you to reverse stance on Twitter Followers?
- Jeff Vreeland
It's difficult to maintain and filter a list on all the social networking sites. I cannot even imagine maintaining the kinds of lists you must deal with, Robert.
- Jeremy Brooks
Dude, you broke Twitter! When you unfollowed all of your 100,000 the other day you pulled the rug right out from under it, so it fell down and now it can't reach its beer. :-)
- Robert Morrison
Actually I felt rather sad being fav'ed by you on FriendFeed then dumped.. But again. I get more from you from FriendFeed, so oh well, stop talking about Following and Get on more with Tech! :P
- Du Senyao Peter
Me Me! lol!
- Bill McGehee
i like the idea of importing favorite tweets into friendfeed. i haven't used that favorite feature much because i haven't seen any real use in it. thanks!
- Jonathan Blundell
When twitter is down I always wish I could tweet: checkout friendfeed. Nevertheless, how will following folk that leave a message here really improve the quality of your input? While I don't want to judge many of the fine folk on this thread, are they all that interesting? In other words, isn't this the start of the same problem you had on Twitter...
- Jon Mountjoy
what like here? this is a comment :)
- michelle harris
Barak - isn't filtering just unfollowing while pretending you're still following? ;)
- Matthew Blaisdell
Well to bounce back on your Twitter is down comment I think it is time to watch this video again http://www.youtube.com/watch... Hilarious!
- 77Agency
Robert, I'm glad you decided to stop auto-follow (finally). :)
- Veronica Sopher
I'm in
- Jeroen Sangers
from Nambu
works for mw
- Brendan Jackson
from twhirl
Robert, but why clutter your FriendFeed stream? This comment is not to get you to courtesy follow me on FriendFeed, think you've established you've changed your thinking. :)
- L.P. NEENZ FALEAFINE
OK, I have enough people to follow so I will close the comments on this thread. Thank you everyone, I will try to get to everyone today.
- Robert Scoble
You got my full support: "IE6 No More! Popular Web Companies Start Project to Kill IE6" - http://mashable.com/2009...
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I just implemented this on my site: http://kennethreitz.com
- Kenneth Reitz
Can we extend this to IE7 ??
- James Tindall
Can we extend this to IE8?
- David
One of the issues in killing IE6 in the enterprise is "Deploying Firefox in the Enterprise" and you do not need to look much further than Mozilla itself http://wiki.mozilla.org/Enterpr... "This page was last modified on 20 February 2009". Michael Kaply http://www.kaply.com has advocated and worked on this issue and as he stated in last December...
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- Stephen Edgar
hehe--according to james t. and david we web folk will eventually boot out all M$ browsers...
- t i n y m
My sentiment is not specific to MS but is more general - Life is just too short to waste time pulling your hair out in order to support any browser that does it's own thing instead of supporting standards to the extent which IE6 does. IE7 is not quite as bad but it still causes a certain amount of unnecessary pain. Checking a site in development on Chrome, Safari and Firefox is a pretty surprise free process these days - the same cannot be said for IE7.
- James Tindall
ahh...I see & agree
- t i n y m
My Twitter follower growth has been slowing down http://twittercounter.com/Scoblei... . I'm seeing geek engagement on Twitter going down. How about you?
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Plus they've been trying to remove bots and spammers, which has something to do with it, too.
- Robert Scoble
I think my followers are disappointed that I'm more of a Friendfeed person. ;)
- Amir
But I've definitely been getting more engagement here on FriendFeed lately. But that's largely by design in my case.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah. Probably Digg "effect". Geeks moving out.
- karthick
Robert: Quite a few of my follower's are bots and spammers, too.
- Amir
Well you keep sending us here, to lovely friendfeed land
- Mark
I added 40 quality followers yesterday on twitter with 1 good blog..maybe you are just up against your max addressable market Robert, law of big numbers..
- James Watters
Twitter seems to be over-run by spambots and phony profiles
- Wayne Schulz
That's because you don't use Twitter Scoble lol...
- Colin
Colin: that's not true. I'm on Twitter all the time!
- Robert Scoble
I think it's simple. The whole Idea of following back to be polite is losing popularity. Therefore the churn is slowing for many.
- Dj Skunk Diesel
My Twitter follower growth is the same as ever: zero.
- DGentry
Lol, nah, I have to come to FriendFeed to get your attention, so I don't reply to you on Twitter, and others probably do the same.
- Colin
I'd rather ad 1 VP of biz dev, than 1k randoms
- James Watters
I don't even know what my Twitter following is, I've never looked. It's not something I'm remotely interested in.
- Gilbert Harding
I agree quality not quantity
- Dj Skunk Diesel
added 10 execs yesterday...so much more interesting...eddie izzard has 600k followers and mostly does running picture updates
- James Watters
Scoble uses Twitter. Just more in a Friendfeed capacity ;-)
- Amir
noticing the same thing. techies are definitely losing interest due to spam and celebrity overload.
- casey wright
from BuddyFeed
Josh, yes it saves them from having to have any real content!
- James Watters
Is Scoble showing his tech celebrity cards by talking raw #s :)
- James Watters
James: that's why I say it's who you are following that is so much more important than who is following you.
- Robert Scoble
I'm deleting fewer spam followers, so maybe Twitter is getting better at killing them sooner.
- Howard Rheingold
Robert **** +1k! I love twitter for what I read! When I get more followers it just makes me nervous to talk :)
- James Watters
James: nah. But my account growth has -- up to now -- closely tracked Twitter's growth itself.
- Robert Scoble
See yourself for last months. Twitter got rid of thousands of spam bots a few days ago: http://twittercounter.com/Scoblei...
- Boris
James, so the interesting thing is: is Twitter's growth slowing down? (I don't think so). So, the geek world on Twitter is mattering less and less as mainstream shows up.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I'd agree, and I think your point is interesting. Its like blogs, when the polticos took over the momentum from the geeks :(
- James Watters
Although, look at Compete.com and you'll see Twitter's growth itself has slowed down: http://siteanalytics.compete.com/twitter...
- Robert Scoble
Yes, been going on for awhile. The spammers are a real pain, so I'm thankful they are working on that.
- courtney benson
Josh: I watch early adopter user behavior and I'm seeing less engagement on Twitter. The geeks are getting bored.
- Robert Scoble
Josh: yes, Compete.com is inaccurate, but generally it matches trends well.
- Robert Scoble
Josh: in my case about 44%. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Twitter and FF are amazing if you want to listen...
- James Watters
Maybe they are going back to blogging. Or are on vacation.
- Robert Scoble
look at the trending topics today on twitter - unfort. mainstream entertainment. what a change from a year ago. yes the conversation is now wide - but seems just a shift of medium for fluff. not watching as closely as you are but happy with my monitored subjects of interest - still discovering BIG voices everyday. ff rocks the conversation though!
- michael sean wright
I lost 8% of my followers and about the same number I was following in one day (day before today) on Twitter.. I can't believe all these were bots and I am now "cured" of bots..
- Anindya Chatterjee
Hi Josh, yes really. I get emails every day announcing new followers but I just delete them. I only follow people who are personally recommended to me and who I find interesting. I never look at my profile to see my stats. If people find my inane comments and occasional newsy bits and bobs entertaining, fine. But how many of them are there? No idea.
- Gilbert Harding
Hey did anyone hear that Yahoo is getting a new homepage? I can't wait....
- James Watters
@Josh, just the point )-:
- Anindya Chatterjee
My engagment is about the same on Twitter, seeing as that I still have friends that won't get/don't have/don't want a Friendfeed account.
- John Fox
I think it's picking up here though.
- Steve Rubel
James, the new page is up already.. right now in "trial" on Yahoo US page
- Anindya Chatterjee
OMG its so cool! yahoo is so relevant!
- James Watters
If I was better versed in the virtues of Friendfeed, I'd do an article about it. But I'm really not the person to "sell it".
- John Fox
Josh: yes that whole thing was an inside joke to an earlier FF RS has about Yahoo's new home page..I'm just being silly...see ya'll around..
- James Watters
I'm converted this time - 1st time round, I didn't get it, but some friends still only Twitter
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
Josh, there seem to be a lot of obsessives on here and Twitter.
- Gilbert Harding
Anyone here amazing at App engine btw?
- James Watters
i did spring cleaning in my twitter account today as well. it's about quality not quantity, robert. the true geeks are staying with you
- jeanette okwu
I had over 3000+ followers on Twitter and have recently decided to leave because of all the spam - I hope for Twitter's sake that they sort it out
- outofmyarse
I think It's to Twitter's benefit if the stop the spammers. Not a bad service but with all the spam it makes it less enjoyable.
- Amir
Am I wrong? When Twitter took away the option of following @replies, it made it a lot more difficult to find new people who extend out from your network. If you look at the traffic charts (Alexa, Scoble's, etc.), the slowdown started right about at that time. While Twitter execs say that only a fraction of people opted for that function, it really looks like a lot more than coincidence to me that follower growth declines started then.
- Ed Moltzen
Robert: Maybe. But Twitter is a type of blog, It's a micro-blog.
- Amir
I find new people by using Twubble - it basically replicates the effect of finding people by following @ replies. See http://www.crazybob.org/twubble
- Trent Hamm
I have never re-followed people out of courtesy. I look at what they're saying if they follow me, but I don't follow if it doesn't look interesting. That's why I have about 7K Twitter followers and am following less than 500, I guess.
- Trent Hamm
Definitely the engagement is dropping, I've noticed. But I think spam is a big contributor to the problem.
- Amir
Come to think of it, I've never understood the philosophy of the courtesy re-follow. It seems dishonest to me - once you reach a certain point, you can't follow the thousands and thousands of conversations around you. Following someone else feels like a promise you can't keep. Why do this at all?
- Trent Hamm
Trent: you can't DM me unless I follow you. Since I require having DMs with a wide variety of people for my business, I have to follow everyone who follows me.
- Robert Scoble
I have noticed it too. It is sometimes hard to get around "brain fart" type of tweets that are on the surge...lowering the geek factor
- Ghada
Could be FriendFeed, lol.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Trent I think of it not as reciprocity but as a gesture. If someone is willing to put up with my mix of relevant and irrelevant information, I should be willing to do the same. Even with a few hundred folks to follow you already miss a large portion of their broadcasts. You can always search for relevant conversations in real time.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
The beauty of the concept is that we can all choose who and how we wish to follow. And we can customize our methods on different networks
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
well that explains why I'm seeing less content.
- clarke thomas
From my experience, TwitterCounter is a little slow when updating follower numbers. Just make sure it's accurate.
- Amir
yeah. TwitterCounter takes a day or two to update. Not that I check very often...
- Robert
True my twitter following slows down 2
- polou/indigo_bow
Mine also. And so many new followers are spambots, ugh!
- Molly Gordon
@Scobleizer will have 155,650 followers in 1000 days according to TwitterCounter: http://bit.ly/19FHOw
- Mark
@Scobleizer will have 661,900 followers in 10000 days according to TwitterCounter: http://twittercounter.com/Scoblei...
- Mark
@aplusk will have 8,095,169 followers in 365 days according to TwitterCounter: http://twittercounter.com/aplusk...
- Mark
Mark: that's cause aplusk is on the suggested follower list. He won't earn those followers, he's being gifted them by Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert in my opinion Twitter had 2-3 weeks that followers went down and much porn as well , in the last week or so the positive count is back
- Johni Fisher
In Europe, we call these kinds of slowdowns "holidays".
- Bernie Goldbach
+1 Bernie
- Liviu Barbat
Yup
- Thomas Power
Robert maybe you can help me.....http://www.alzheimersreadingroom.com/2009...
- Bob DeMarco
Well, I'm personally happy to see geek engagement go down. That means more geek for me. Most of those nitwits don't even know what the hell is even going on and just RT guys like you to ride the wave of the Scoblenami. I always used to get scolded for @ing zaibatsu, 0boy, and the_gman when I was just a peasant w/ 300ish followers who hadn't tweeted a word in 6 months. The whole "get...
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- Sheree Motiska
Twitter just got rid of bot accounts your followers went down! Thats Twitter's epidemic problems!
- polou/indigo_bow
Mine is soaring like an Eagle with my xaviarmedia friend.http://my-hiddencash.blogspot.com
- ebenezer oyeodini
IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On - http://mashable.com/2009...
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Lately I've found that quite a few clients are still running IE6!! They've updated since the discovery but IE6 made it quite hard to proof certain web projects because of it's rendering bugs...
- t i n y m
Don't forget IE7. It's just barely better than IE6.
- Matt Mastracci
Many companies feel that moving from IE to an alternate browser (Mozillla) is not worth the investment/ IT/ training. Big mistake in my opinion.
- David Lanning
Our web dept is allowed to use Firefox (and other browsers for testing) but the company doesn't "officially" like everyone using them. They're very much Microsoft fans & don't believe IE is bad in any way... To them us web geeks are just complainers when it comes to IE.
- t i n y m
Matt's right: IE7 is a clunky POS as well. The only thing good about it is that they fixed a few CSS bugs, bumped up the GC thresholds, and fixed the PNG transparency issue. Oh, and they somehow managed to build tabs into the chrome using C++/win32 code and *still* made them freakishly slow to render.
- Joel Webber
There are a lot of complex reasons why people *can't* upgrade (IT policy, legacy intranet apps, etc). But the reason so many people don't think it's worth the trouble is that we all bend over backwards to support it, and we simply don't *try* features that would perform poorly on IE. It's slow enough on the apps that are out there, but what people often don't think about are the apps and features that never see the light of day because they're unimplementable on that foul monstrosity.
- Joel Webber
Every version of IE should die horrible obsolete deaths. Unless of course you enjoy re-writing everything you code for the web. Seriously, has anyone ever did any html which displays perfectly the first time on all browsers including IE on the first shot?
- Fry Ink
IE's a BROWSER?? Isn't that the same for example? /sarcasm
- Robert Sanchez Jr
We have had our Application Control software blocking it for 6 months now
- Simon Bryan
Joel, have seen and heard people *justifying* that if you make things ok for IE6, they'll run like anything on modern browsers- so much for not trying features that'll perform poorly on IE6. I think the proper way to get around this problem is to get the usage % to such a dismal low that lethargic sysads will have no option but to finally invest their 'savings' from an era of not developing applications for modern browsers, into upgrading them.
- Ashish Tiwari
My son, a future blogger - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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cuuuute!
- t i n y m
:) Taken at one month old.
- Tamar Weinberg
Future? Get that baby a keyboard!
- Trish R
<3
- Yolanda
He doesn't even know where his hands are yet, Trish.
- Tamar Weinberg
That's great, I need to get one for my son.. he just dictated his first post at one week old (http://mylescrew.blogspot.com/2009...). The translation was a bitch but the family back home is happy. Congrats and enjoy!!
- Chris Myles
Are you a Bzzagent? You'll love http://bzzscapes.alltop.com/
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I'm an agent...
- t i n y m
Just busted out. Was short stacked with A 10 suited. My all in called by KK. No A or flush... I'm out at 3,000 of 6,500 players. #wsop57
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Aww, sorry to hear it. Think you'll have a go at it again next year?
- t i n y m
That's too bad. :-(
- Joey Gibson
Inside the Full Tilt VIP room 30 mins before start of day2. cut the tension with a knife! http://jasoncalacanis.posterous.com/inside-...
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Good luck... errr skill! Hope to see you at the final table on TV!
- t i n y m
If you want to get your way, talk to a person's right ear: http://www.spring.org.uk/2009... I'm about half deaf in my right ear, though.
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heh, me too.
- t i n y m
3 questions: 1. Do you think Michael Jackson molested children? 2. Was MJ a 20-year+ junkie? 3. If yes to above, does his music absolve him?
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Sears Tower unveils glass balconies on Skydeck - http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos...
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"Participants to the sneak preview of 'The Ledge,' stand on the new glass balconies suspended 1,353 feet (412 meters) in the air and jut out 4 feet (1.22 meters) from the Sears Tower's 103rd floor Skydeck Wednesday, July 1, 2009 in Chicago. The Ledge will open to public on Thursday."
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
from Bookmarklet
I think I'd throw up.
- Tim Hoeck
I'm getting dizzy just looking at it
- Bwana ☠
couldn't do it.
- holly
I'd do it!
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
Not - a - chance
- martha
I'd do a poopoo in my pants but I would do it...
- Rasmus Lauridsen
maybe it is a good way to saved suffering from acrophobia :D
- nursel
very interesting and scary at the same time
- t i n y m
Good stuff. Also: try being on the engineering team at shipping port and having to climb all over 100m cranes (did in 2006). You'll grow an extra pair
- LANjackal
i sweat just thinking about it
- Felicia Yue
I'll just stand over here...not on the ledge thanks though! hahaha
- *Tiffany Diamond*
Hehe I don;'t have a problem with heights, but a glass floor really takes things over the limit.
- Roberto Bonini
Man that looks amazing!
- Parvez Halim
No way in hell I'd go out there.
- Jason Huebel
me neither. Sky Tower in Auckland has glass floors and i about peed myself up there.
- Joe Silence is not Satan
no
- Caroline
Awesome!!
- Alix Whitmire
I think I'd go out on it. Maybe. Looks pretty awesome. Love seeing the little girl with no fear. Little kids would zip around fearlessly in jet packs if we had em.
- Chrimmus Tad
I think I would die if I stepped out on that, but I would try anyway.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Bear with me a moment while I attempt to retrieve my scrotum from my abdominal cavity...
- Mark "DerBingle" J
This is so awesome. I would kill to have something like that in Montreal
- Robert D'Alesio
The Eureka tower in Melbourne has this, but this looks a lot better. There's huge joins in the glass: http://www.eurekaskydeck.com.au/the-edg...
- Larry Hudson
If I want to fly or levitate I'll expose myself to cosmic radiation like anyone else
- Bastard Operator From FF
Yikes. Very cool.
- Craig Bailey
Just don't throw any stones.
- Uncle CW™
I get goosebumps just looking at the pictures. This looks like fun.
- mike fabio
Bad idea...
- Outsanity
foolish
- Melanie Reed
You probably couldn't get me to go further than the 5th floor, let alone, the 103rd floor, plus out on a glass floor hanging over the city. Sorry Mr Wonka, but I'll take the stairs.
- Tim Young
I hope they keep a cleaning crew or a mop handy.
- George Brickner
*Gulp* I doubt I'd last even 2 minutes standing on that...
- Tyson Key
I hope it will hold. Time will tell
- Brandon
very brave kids. I crapped my pants just looking at it.
- Cassidy
Oww… I would never go to that kind of place.
- Daniel Schildt
Two new apps I tried this week:
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CrossLoop: great for remote tech support. It's like VNC and is really easy to set up. My mom who is totally clueless (see http://friendfeed.com/tamar...) actually successfully was able to give me the correct information so that I could log in. The cooler part: you can get paid to fix computer issues - great for making extra cash.
- Tamar Weinberg
Digsby: okay, so most of you may know about this. But I finally decided to scrap pidgin and go with Digsby and so far, so good. It's not much different but feels more windows-y. However, the social network integration (Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn for me) are pretty sweet. And they apparently fixed the RAM issues that plagued earlier versions. I have over 300 buddies logged on and Digsby is only using 80MB of RAM at the present.
- Tamar Weinberg
Have you tried any new apps this week?
- Tamar Weinberg
I'm talking to a wall again :)
- Tamar Weinberg
No we are listening - maybe haven't tried any worth sharing....
- Tracy Benham
Sporty, hard to say all people are -- too much realtime rapidness.
- Tamar Weinberg
agree - RT is hard to keep up. But one thing I love about FF. Just wanted you to know you are not talking to yourself :)
- Tracy Benham
I appreciate that. Let's see if anyone else is paying attention ;)
- Tamar Weinberg
I wasn't impressed by the new Digsby, but they definitely made major fixes to it's resource usage. Oddly enough, I prefer meebo for IM. The social network integration in Digsby isn't good enough for me to actually start using it. Prefer Tweetvisor/PeopleBrowsr and Facebook notifications via IM.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Tamar, I haven't tried anything new recently, but I'm glad to hear that CrossLoop worked out. I want to check it out myself. BTW, what kind of encryption does it use?
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
from fftogo
I was sleeping. CrossLoop is cool. I haven't tried much new stuff this week yet.
- Robert Scoble
I'm listening but I haven't tried any new apps this week. Briefly investigated Carbonite and was disappointed that it only backs up one specific computer, but I still might use it as my extra backup since it is inexpensive.
- Laura Norvig
I'm listening too. Have been meaning to check out CrossLoop, and will now move it up the old task list :)
- Patrick Jordan
I've tried OS X :) Last time I had worked on a Mac it was still running System 7 and/or 8. I had even worked briefly with the first PowerPC models. I must say the move to a UNIX-based OS was very good. I love having the option of running BaSH!
- Adrian Scicluna
Thanks for posting this Tamar. I signed up with Crossloop when they first opened hoping to help my clients with it someday... I've yet to use it. I'm glad it really is easy to set up and use!
- t i n y m
Ha3rvey, didn't check on encryption. Good question though.
- Tamar Weinberg
I actually like Carbonite--my two computers had subscriptions that ended last month--but am using JungleDisk and Rackspace to back up important files from one machine right now. Carbonite is cheaper for unlimited data; JungleDisk/RackSpace will be double the price after 12 months (for only 63GB of data!). The reason why I'm not using Carbonite right now is because it doesn't accept USB...
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- Tamar Weinberg
Thanks Tamar - I am excited that you are excited about CrossLoop!! Let me know if you have any questions....
- Mrinal Desai
Mrinal - actually, question from the audience: does CrossLoop have any encryption or not yet? :)
- Tamar Weinberg
We do Tamar - from day 1 .... 128-bit Blowfish encryption. Details here: http://www.crossloop.com/help...
- Mrinal Desai
Adding this to my list of things to try...
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Thanks Mrinal - Ha3rvey, check out that answer :D
- Tamar Weinberg
I saw that, Tamar! I'm gonna try this out SOON!
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
FriendFeed Blog: You can now share files on FriendFeed - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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"To share files on friendfeed.com, simply click the "Files" link underneath the post box and select which files you want to include. You can also share files by including them as attachments on emails sent to share@friendfeed.com."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
That's the new hawtness!
- Alex Scoble
wow
- michael sean wright
whoa!
- vijay
SEKRIT PLANZ! MWA HA HA HA
- Josh Haley
Excellent news, thank you Bret and guys! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
the game just changed
- chrisofspades
Haha! Nice...
- WorldofHiglet
nice
- endiaferon
This feature will help with using FF solely as a email mailing list.
- Kol Tregaskes
Now we just need page branding and some enterprise integration, and we can replace Sharepoint...
- sean andersen
Plus as a mail client too (kinda of anyway). I will have to get auto-forwarding my emails to my ff.com address again.
- Kol Tregaskes
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. i'm trying to be coherent but that's all that's coming up. Thanks... whats the file size limit?
- Frankie Warren
this has awesomesauce all over it
- Alfredo
is video an option?
- Zee.
We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff.
- Bret Taylor
Are the files public when accessed via direct link? Or do they require authentication?
- Mark Trapp
No video at the moment, Zee.
- Ross Miller
Bret, will this work for attachments sent to share@friendfeed.com?
- chrisofspades
So tell me, how will you send email verification emails to new users when FF has successfully replaced email? </paradox>
- nickrw
nice!
- Mike Bracco
So, no BluRay rips, then :p
- Josh Haley
Mark: right now they are public when access via direct link (though the links are not at all predictable).
- Bret Taylor
Yes, file attachments to share@friendfeed.com work as you would expect.
- Bret Taylor
Very Nice
- Brent - Loving Life
neat-o!
- t i n y m
Bret - is music an option?
- Zee.
WIN
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Any other files that don't work with it?
- Kol Tregaskes
What's the file attachment size limit?
- imabonehead
Kol: i assume you can attach video? it just won't play in-line? or did i misinterpret that?
- Frankie Warren
@imabonehead, from Bret's comment above: "We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff."
- Dan Hsiao
@Dan, thx
- imabonehead
Liked Liked Liked (*99999) "You can now share files on FriendFeed" This is.. GREAT!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Frankie, video attachments aren't currently supported
- Dan Hsiao
Frankie, Ross says no to video, see above.
- Kol Tregaskes
MP3s?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: there is a stricter limit on audio files (3 per day).
- Bret Taylor
Yay, no more rapidshare! :)
- Kaan Ertürk
OK, but any format?
- Kol Tregaskes
I tried it with both a txt and a rar file but neither seemed to work (the message was posted without a file attached). [Update: works now for me]
- Philipp Lenssen
Gonna give a big W00T!! to this before I even read the whole thing...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
LOL, Tina.
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
Perhaps we need a list of file types (and their limits) that are supported?
- Kol Tregaskes
Tina++, Holy Crap! :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
music files work! awesome! example here http://friendfeed.com/fredyga...
- Alfredo
Bret: What about attachments to comments?
- sean andersen
Swwwweeeettttt!!!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Now all I need is a number where I can call and leave a VM that gets changed into an audio file, and I can get rid of drop.io for good! Yeah, we're never happy are we? Sorry....
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Greatissimo :)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Bret, does animated GIFs now work btw?
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks for the clarification on video :) how long will the files stay on the server?
- Frankie Warren
Tina - Perhaps if we leave a VM for the FriendFeed IM bot on Google Talk? That would rock.
- Mitch
Can we paste URLs into the box like we can for images?
- Kol Tregaskes
Seriously, guys, when and where do we start donating?
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'd prefer buying private shares, Akiva. :)
- Carlos Ayala
I think you can support them by buying the FF swags.
- imabonehead
cool
- Siavash
and sharing from URLs works! - http://ff.im/4o1RY
- chrisofspades
NIIIIIIIIIIICE
- Pedram
Pair this w/ a private room and you have instant office and/or project collaboration. Drop.io may have some competition. :)
- JA Castillo
JA, agree.
- Kol Tregaskes
Chris, cool. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
All we need now is a calendaring system and support for source code.
- imabonehead
mp3 sharing works in FriendFeed? Just when I'm thinking to share some 'musiclets' from time to time via Tumblr! mhh.. interesting, really!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Thierry, yep MP3s are supported.
- Kol Tregaskes
this is awesome, i was literally just trying to do this last night on one of our team feeds and had to post links to published google docs instead. going to try it out now. it's like they read my mind.
- Mike Elliott
Kol...we use Drop.io all the time here at my office. This would be great as it is supremely simpler. But approved file types and sizes needs to be understood.
- JA Castillo
Mitch, that would be an option, but I can only imagine the opportunity for the wrong voice file to go to the wronge feed...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
And Akiva is right...where do we start donating?!
- JA Castillo
If we had basic HTML support for first comments on FF, it could almost be used for mail (at least for forwarding and reading mail to and on it).
- Kol Tregaskes
JA, a list of supported file types, limits and sizes is needed... please. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Cool stuff
- Tyson Key
Any limits on the number of times a file can be downloaded, per day, out of interest?
- Tyson Key
Reminds me of Pownce :) Great addition!
- Holger Eilhard
NaFFster! :)
- jcunwired
Does this mean that the days are numbered for various Pownce clones and Jaiku? Facebook, start your photocopiers! ;)
- Tyson Key
this is GREAT!
- Cee Bee
Now cue Facebook adding this feature in 3.. 2.. 1..
- Daniel Sims
Yay! Friendfeed is yet another step closer to complete emulation of IRC :)
- Victor Ganata
Hey Bret, are these virus-checked?
- Jordan Hofker
@Jordan - good question
- andy brudtkuhl
Jordan, good shout.
- Kol Tregaskes
The moment I read this I updated my AV program.
- jcunwired
Are the shared files located in the enclosure tag of the feed? And can we filter feeds by enclosure type?
- Cliff Gerrish
Jordan- yes, we virus scan them.
- Casey Muller
Cool, Casey. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome, thanks Casey.
- Jordan Hofker
Cliff- only media files (images and audio) are included in feeds at this time.
- Casey Muller
Haha, Victor. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Uh, question two: how long before one of the **AA's gets all pissy? That would be sad. Is there a size limit?
- Jordan Hofker
search by file type?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason, good shout.
- Kol Tregaskes
Jordan - what is **AA's ??
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
This will go a long way in convincing some of my Yahoo Groups to move to FF. Although we must have a list of file types supported, retention times and also if there is a max number of d/l's.
- Gil Francisco III
This is awesome but I'm also concerned about the type of people this might bring to the FF community.
- Johnny
Gil, I'm seriously considering moving my Y!Groups list members from there to FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
This is one of those features that people don't complain about even though they didn't ask the community prior to launching ;)
- Frankie Warren
Dare I ask about Boobies.jpg.virus.exe? - Oops Casey says they are virus scanned
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Jannifer: RIAA and MPAA, specifically. Say someone shares a copyrighted song or something...RIAA gets cranky.
- Jordan Hofker
Am I the only person that thinks this is an incredibly bad idea?
- Jason Nunnelley
.m4a files sent from the iPhone's Voice Memos feature aren't given a player but are making it through the mail to FF feature. Any support for a player coming down the line?
- Christopher Harley
How about .zip s that are password-protected? Reject I hope... (edit) .zip not supported at all, I gather, good!
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
yeah search by filetype absolutely! filetype:pdf, filetype:mp3, filetype:zip, filetype:doc etc.
- Nathan Chase
Christoper: (via Bret) "Unfortunately we only can play back MP3s at this point. The iPhone voice memos are in M4A (AAC), so we really want to support them, but it is a bit more difficult with Flash and our media setup at the moment."
- Ross Miller
\m/
- metalerik
abi allah tuttuğunuzu altın etsin **love**
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Jason, I might be with you on this one.
- Johnny
This is nice! Very nice!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Yippie-kai-yay :))))
- A.T.
Thanks, Ross. The paid app, iProRecorder http://www.iprorecorder.com/ suffers the same limitations.
- Christopher Harley
NICE!!! Been waiting for this... thanks FriendFeed team!
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
Cool! FF is becoming more of a platform of choice for me. Thanks guys :)
- Dilip Dand
Very Cool !!!
- Eric Logan
I'm not sure that I'm going to use that feature (I rarely share docs over the internet that weren't created in Zoho or GDocs, anyway), but still it looks pretty neato.
- Miss Elle
Bret, do you have any restrictions to protect against music filesharers etc so you do not become an RIAA target?
- Travis Koger
@ Travis: I was just wondering the same.
- Brian Chang
Bret Taylor, a friend of mine uploaded 1 mp3 and it disappeared. Now he can't upload any mp3 file, seeing a [The "" file type is not supported]. Broken message?
- Jason Nunnelley
"You can only upload 3 audio files every day. Please try again later." Too bad because I was really just trying to see what files worked. .wav aint one of them. No audio notes from Evernote, iPhone, iProRecorder. I soooo want to love this but It's not doing what I need it to do. This feature needs to support some kind of multi photo post with a recording appended to the message. That should be right out of the box. Video needs to come right behind it. Music is cool but citizen journalism is even cooler.
- Christopher Harley
seriously useful.
- Calvin Ayre
I haven't tested this but, how exactly are you determining audio file types, just using the file extension. If so there is a work around with a simple file rename, an example would be if you change an .mp3 to a .pdf and let people rename it once it becomes local on their machine. EDIT: This workaround would also allow video to be transferred.
- Jimminy Fuller
Maybe I don't know enough, but doesn't this kind of open the door to slipping malicious code to unsuspecting users?
- Fleagle
this is the best thing I know this morning when I open my eyes, well done!
- K.D.
that is AWESOME!
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Fleagle: It is possible that someone would do that but FriendFeed is fairly well self monitored. It is still a small group of people in comparison to other networks.
- Jimminy Fuller
Glad for this feature, though perhaps close partnership with Box.net or similar could keep FF storage costs better contained? Not criticizing, just hoping Core Team doesn't get distracted by extending (and babysitting) commodity services. Keep up the great work!
- michael silverton
Kudos on the added features!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
可以分享文件，friendfeed更好用了。
- 老巫师
哇塞，这个强的。 I like it.
- xiawinter
Wow. Just wow. Thanks.
- Laura Norvig
NICE! Thanks for the info.
- Cyndi ~ @muchmorethanmom
Tell us more. Tell us EVERYTHING about the file "FF secret plans.pdf" shown in the blogpost <http://friendfeed-media.com/0fe9b6e...>.
- ianf ⌘
Oh, very awesome!
- Scott Magdalein
It's *machine code*.
- Karl Knechtel
Karl: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
So we can setup private groups and share questionable files ? :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
That's pretty much what I was saying, Ahsan. I did one earlier as a test to prove my point, (NOTE: it is a clean file, direct from Revision 3) at http://friendfeed.com/jimminy...
- Jimminy Fuller
Excellent! Thank you!
- Diego Barros
"Rapidshare Fined $34 Million for Copyright Infringement" (http://mashable.com/2009...)
- Ozkan Altuner
Hmmm @Ryo, good catch, posting directly from Android to FF your voice messages, would be cool!
- Ozkan Altuner
Can we tell the lawyers that they "won" and give them all the money? Then start over with a new set of I.P. laws and a new currency? Pretty please?
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Must you force downloads on HTML files?
- Raphael, Raphael
This is great. I'll try this instead of posting to Ipernity.
- Rick Cogley
Seems like a good step in the right direction indeed the concerns are founded based on previous experiences but it is a good start.
- Ubuntu101
Is it possible to set it up as part of the feed like a podcast?
- Ubuntu101
Excellento - inline playing of mp3 files at last - this will be dangerous. But is there are limit??
- Chris Loft
embedding mp3's is just fine when it works .. I've been trying to get a podcast rss feed I have setup imported for the past 8 hours straight only to find out that each time it's not importing squat.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I take that back it worked once but everything in the description tags showed up twice.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
:( Apparently not *.pdn files (Paint.Net)
- Raphael, Raphael
Thx! FF continues to rock :)
- Krishnamoorthy
why the limit on audio files?
- Tyler Gillies
Can us folks with Symbian OS-based devices have some Adaptive Multi-Rate codec/AMR file love, too? I believe that some Samsung and NEC phones also use that audio file format...
- Tyson Key
Oh, and Google Earth KML files, and Ogg Vorbis files aren't supported right now either, for what it's worth. Still, it's a nice idea, so far.
- Tyson Key
wow :)
- Mucio
I'm disappointed that the PDF of your secret plans is only 1.2 mb. Surely there's more?
- Dnl
anyone know the file size limit?
- Julian Seery Gude
My old Motorola Que made .3gp files too. Facebook can process them. You want to be at least as cool as Facebook, right?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!
- Micah Wittman
FYI Micah, it works with *.user.js files... you know what that means...
- Mitch
*happy dance* this is really innovative and highly useful...thanks FF :)
- Susan Beebe
oh heck yes
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Tried to share an .hta file with Micah yesterday....couldn't attach it. Tried to zip it and still couldn't attach it. Ended up tossing it in my dropbox and posting the link. :-(
- April Russo (app103)
LOL at the FF secret plans.pdf!!
- Darren Heydon
55 Sexy Our Work Page Designs - http://www.instantshift.com/2009...
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- t i n y m
Wow, I'm getting there, Mom Made That! finally on Wordpress http://www.mommadethat.com
big congrats! you made the big move...
- t i n y m
I'm surprised that people think everyone subscribed to their RSS feed actually reads their blog. In Google Reader, I'm subscribed to hundreds of feeds (including a number of bundles), but really only read a couple of them. The same for iGoogle, etc. (re: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...)
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Do you read all of your feeds?
- Paul Buchheit
I skim them all quickly. The 'j' key is my friend: next, next, next, ...
- Fred Yankowski
I do. If you call reading, browsing "all items"...
- David Schmidt
Same here; I've got about 500 feeds in bloglines, most of them in folders I literally never click on.
- Casey Muller
Hmmm... I wonder if there's a better way to get at those couple of things you read?
- Cliff Gerrish
I think I make it a point to read everything in about 15% of the blogs: otherwise, it's just skimming through the headlines. This is exactly what I do on FriendFeed, so this Feedburner business is fine by me. I'd like to figure out why my projects feed got the FriendFeed bump when my blog feed didn't, though.
- Mark Trapp
I thought the same thing when I saw people complaining about the FF stat change this morning. I read more through FriendFeed than I do RSS subscriptions I have, which are many.
- Keith Bourgoin
I guess people are very optimistic :)
- Paul Buchheit
I have 2 tiers of feeds. Top tier always gets at least headlines read, articles read based on interest level. Bottom tier only gets attention if something stands out, or if I have some extra time.
- LogEx
People should think instead that everyone subscribed to their RSS feed feels bad about all those unread items.
- Johannes
Why would you subscribe to things you don't read?
- Gabe
I've trimmed my feeds down to a number that I can check out each item. Why subscribe to hundreds of feeds if you aren't going to read them? Search?
- Sam Grover
Cliff, it works reasonably well for those couple of feeds I read because I can login every few days and skim the headlines (I don't read the full content of anything). Gabe, I basically subscribe to anything that sounds like it might be interesting, then simply stop reading anything that doesn't keep my attention. Google Reader makes this very easy, and there's really no downside to staying subscribed.
- Paul Buchheit
Gabe: would you consider skimming headlines and reading things that spark your interest from there the same as reading a blog regularly? Most of the blogs I subscribe to have maybe 1 in 10 stories that'll interest me: because of that 1 in 10, I subscribe to them. I wouldn't consider myself reading the blogs, though.
- Mark Trapp
I think that attitude spills over to FF and Twitter as well though - especially a problem with real time FF. At least FF has a mechanism for bringing things to foreground that might be more important.
- Brian Sullivan
The scale of my available time for reading feeds varies over time. The number of feeds I'm subscribed to only increases over time. Occasionally I "start over".
- Jason Wehmhoener
I read the majority
- Shevonne
no not even close
- andy brudtkuhl
I don't read every article of every feed, I don't think anyone does. However from the feedburner reach stat, I see that about 50% of RSS subscribers do fetch the complete article (can't tell whether they actually read it). From referral logs, way less than 1% of people subscribed to me on friendfeed click through to blog postings. Thats a big difference.
- DGentry
That's because the subscriber count metric is useless to begin with. So why pad it now with even more numbers?
- Aviv
I skim the titles to find interesting items. I read < 10% of the items.
- Gary Burd
My intent is to read most everything...like Jason, though, I have to start over at times, and toss out what I'm not actually getting to. (there's also a separate category of utility feeds like Steam game releases, crimewatch info, etc. that's not really the same as real people writing stuff. I skim those pretty much 100%)
- Ken Kennedy
Not even close to all, I have +150 feeds on GReader and follow +120 tumblrs. There's no way to read all this stuff and it not be my job.
- Cornelius Toole
I don't think it's useless Aviv. It's not exact, but a blog with 10,000 subscribers will almost certainly have more actual readers than one with 10. (the proportions are useful)
- Paul Buchheit
Agreed, Paul...you can basically figure out where something is on the power law graph, but not exact rankings.
- Ken Kennedy
Yes, I read everything I subscribe to in Google Reader. I only subscribe to full feeds, I use Expanded view, and I hit "J" scanning each article. If a site doesn't offer a full feed, I don't subscribe. I don't personally consider FriendFeed a feed reader, and won't until and unless it (1) displays full articles (2) gives me the option to mark articles read/unread.
- Ken Sheppardson
There's no cost for the unread, except to the extent it makes reading those one or two items difficult.
- Cliff Gerrish
Lots of people have magazine subscriptions and newspaper subscriptions but never or rarely read them -- and are often just to lazy or unaware to unsubscribe even when it costs money. RSS subscription costs nothing and is easy to subside -- I am guessing many subscribe in good faith thinking they might read, then never or rarely read and just never bother to clean up.
- Brian Sullivan
Paul, that's certainly true, but it's like saying that a site with 10,000 unique visitors must have more visitors than a site with 10 uniques. My point is, should the number of a blogger's FF subscribers count as unique hits in their Google Analytics page?
- Aviv
Brian, right, so if Maxim opens a FriendFeed account and gets 20,000 people to subscribe to their account - should they tell advertisers they just earned 20K new subscribers to the magazine?
- Aviv
Paper publications play all sorts of games with numbers talking about subscribers and readers as different numbers but there are standards. So they can't claim subscribers to the magazine because of the FF subscribers.
- Brian Sullivan
Aviv, there's a difference between what Feedburner stats should show, and what they actually show: there's a case to be made that Feedburner should be as accurate as Nielsen PeopleCounters, and we should all be able to use those numbers to determine things like advertising revenue, but the argument being posited here is that Feedburner was never that accurate (or that they aren't meant to be that accurate), and adding FriendFeed stats doesn't change that for the worse.
- Mark Trapp
Brian: oh, well, I wasn't aware that bloggers don't have standards...
- Aviv
Bloggers don't have standards -- not in the sense that they are agreed upon between publishers and advertisers and auditible.
- Brian Sullivan
I read everything I'm subscribed to or I unsubscribe. That is why I can't use FriendFeed except as another filtered source for my RSS reader (spoonfeedr.com)
- Sam Pullara
I'm sure I'm subscribed to tons and haven't opened up my RSS reader in months.
- Thomas Hawk
I don't think FF stats should be reflected in metrics that measure blog readership - at least not yet (still waiting for the day I can click on a little plus sign and read the blog post inline;). Look, I'm subscribed to you, because I enjoy your activity on FF, but just a moment ago was my first ever visit to your blog.
- Aviv
By the way, how much of an article do I have to read before it counts as "read"? The whole thing? The first paragraph? 50%? Does it depend on how long the article is?
- Ken Sheppardson
Aviv: but the point being made is that even without FriendFeed statistics, Feedburner doesn't accurately show blog readership via the "subscribers" metric anyway. Whatever Feedburner does show doesn't seem to be affected by the addition of FriendFeed subscribers beyond a sudden jump in the number. Taking the Feedburner statistics, without FriendFeed, as being an accurate representation...
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- Mark Trapp
Well, if FF knows that FB's numbers are bogus to begin with and doesn't mind adding some of their own numbers even though they obviously don't represent actual readership or anything close to that, then you're right, no point to even argue. :)
- Aviv
Next thing you know, twitterfeed.com will start reporting to FB and count followers are readers. And why should FB have a problem with this? After all, it's always nice to see the blogosphere growing.. ;)
- Aviv
I do read lot of them. Not daily. But i try to catchup once in a while. I have 150+
- Vivek Puri
I read all my feeds. I don't expect everybody reads mine every day.
- Louis Gray
i think its important to trim subscriptions once a month. we like to think that we can read everything we want to read. Everytime i add an RSS feed i get tickled with excitement that i'll soon be melding that blog our site into my internal matrix and knowledge machine. I think being a self arbiter is really important. Also, seeing so many unread blog geeds can be discouraging...always saying to yourself...oh i should be reading more. when in fat that is not the case. Reading less can very well be more...
- Zachary Adam Cohen
@louisgray cough BS cough ;)
- Zachary Adam Cohen
I skim the titles. It's nice to know though how many are interested in/by your blog even if they don't read each and every post.
- Matt Soreco
Confession time! Yep, I've got tons of "unread" items in my gReader. It's become a wasteland of abandoned feeds. (ok bookmarking service?) LOL ... I live here in FF, Tweetdeck, Techrigy SM2, etc. Don't get me wrong, I dont' ignore my feeds, I found it much easier to just make lists and imaginary friends (feeds) here in Friendfeed - way better client than gReader
- Susan Beebe
No
- Oğuz Serdar
Nope. I have all my feed broken down in lists, though, and only manage to read around 50 of the 200 feeds in there.
- Brandon
I find that I am reading quite a few more feeds since switching to Twitter, and reading them more productively.
- Sean McBride
Interesting -- I've just asked a few friends to send me their OPML files so that I can do a little network analysis. (1) Lots of people tell me that they're using Twitter and serendipity to keep in touch these days, and that they're using their RSS readers less. (2) *everyone* on the list is in danger of info overload if they're REALLY reading that many blogs. Here's an interesting post from 43 folders about avoiding RSS overload - http://bit.ly/1H6Ty
- Mat Morrison
Zachary... I read all my feeds. I never mark all as read.
- Louis Gray
I try to read them all, but if I notice that I'm regularly marking all of the items in a particular feed as read, then that's typically one step north of removal (for me, at least). I keep a pretty tidy feed list, for the most part.
- Brett Kelly
I usually skim all items in my All Items list of Google Reader, just like Robert Scoble showed in a video http://www.viddler.com/explore... a few years ago. If I find something interesting I will read the post right in Reader or if it's to long (and sometimes videos) then I will ctrl-click to open it in a new tab. When I completed skimming the whole list I will read the opened tabs.
- Peter Stuifzand
I scroll through and read headlines quickly. If I see one I like, I'll read the article.
- EricaJoy
Agree w/ EricaJoy. That's the general purpose of RSS, to skim through sites/feeds that you have some interest w/o going to the page unless there is something of interest. RSS Readers are almost personalized, granted mostly not intelligent (yet), Search Engines or enhanced Bookmarks.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'm subscribed to a lot of feeds too. I always say I'll read them later... later never, ever comes and I end up unsubscribing a year or two later.
- t i n y m
I subscribe to a number of feeds, and read all but two. Those two frequently get the "Mark All As Read" treatment.
- Piaw Na
i don't read all of my feeds - but i do search them for certain topics all the time
- mike "glemak" dunn
I religiously unsubscribe from anything I notice that I'm not actually reading. Keep the clutter to a minimum!
- Murray Barton
If I'm not interested in reading a feed I don't subscribe. Do I read every article in depth....no....read some, skim some, and save some to read on the weekend when all my feeds have less activity, and I have more time.
- Bonnie Foster
Every feed, over time, sure; every single feed item, no.
- Grant Bierman
why subscribe, then? Curious...
- Valeria Maltoni
i switched all my feeds over to friendfeed. i don't even look at google reader anymore
- Tyler Gillies
Blogs are for slow consumption. Friendfeed, Twitter are my quick glance channels. They provide rivers of information I can dive into if I feel like it. I use GReader to subscribe mostly to people that actually take the time to think before they write. No TechCrunch or other networks there. I get slapped around with that on any other channel I'm watching. GReader is my e-book/essay reader. I try to read it all and I enjoy the slow consumption as it makes me smarter ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander, you might... but not everyone else does.. Feedburner numbers are BS anyways.. :)
- Tim Hoeck
Not trying to convince anyone, just explaining what it is I do. GReader for the long and in depth stuff, everything else goes in the firehose
- Alexander van Elsas
No, not all...just a few Favs & Essential/Pro feeds. & ya i use GReader :)
- Roshan Ramachandran
There's also a difference between skimming the headlines and actually "reading" the entire article. Also, rarely do people click through to the blog on Google Reader - on FriendFeed that happens much more, as I'm sure you have stats to prove.
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse, my personal experience with FF makes me sometimes wonder if people did actually read the original item. Often initial comments and discussions seem to start in a different direction then the item that was posted. It seems to happen most often with blog items. Not saying that is bad or anything. But I do wonder.... ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Blogging isn't dead. What is dead is READING. Blogs and sites in general especially Newspapers need to transition to VIDEO. I mean, you'll read things you find compelling, but you're 10x more likely to watch a video of it. There's nothing sacred about text. It was the means of recording of its day, but now video is the recording of its day.
- Stephen Pickering
Paul, is it possible to make the numbers going to Feedburner a choice based on the user? Personally, while I think there are a few quirks, I like the decision and would prefer you not go back.
- Jesse Stay
@Steven, I like video but I rarely watch it. I turn it on as radio in the background ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander, yes, I agree, maybe I should have emphasized SOUND as well. When I listen to Video Podcasts for instance, I usually listen in the background too
- Stephen Pickering
I'm surprised people still think people read.
- Eric Nakagawa
Yes, most of them. The ones that accumulate in the unread pile get unsubscribed to because it's a signal that the information isn't that compelling or useful. I unsubscribed to many high-volume blogs because I *will* see them via FriendFeed. So the feeds I *do* have in RSS are fairly well groomed and read - I'll certainly get around to all of them in a week.
- AJ Kohn
@erik, you must be living on another planet than I do ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
i sadly agree with stephen @pickering . "what is dead is reading"
- bora "head" basman
i agree with you up to some point. I don't miss the personal blogs but big websites such as Rollingstone or digg offer a lot more content than I can possibly spare time to read. Most of the time I miss them for a few days, then I notice that there are 1000+ entries to read.
- Yiğit Arda Türkoğlu
I just read and skip to important blog or news. Too many things to read these days, too many information
- Hendra Saputra
I use my feed readers in a somewhat deviant way: I create categorized folders about the topics I'm most interested in ( RSS / OPML, Firefox, Twitter, Online Reputation Management, etc). When I come across a feed of interest, I 'feedmark' it by adding it to the appropriate category. Each of these folders become reading lists. Most of the reading lists I create are publicly available at...
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- Marjolein Hoekstra
The way for Newspapers to save themselves is to become video centric, not throw their paper up on the net. Boring. They need to become to internet TV stations. They need to be 24/7 real time. That's what the world is. They need to hire a Leo Laporte for every category and it needs to be totally interactive. When you go to the NYtimes.com it needs to be a totally different experience. Look at the money they have compared to Leo. They could transition to this in a second.
- Stephen Pickering
I read almost all my feeds. If I stop reading a feed, I generally remove it so it won't distract my attention.
- 9000
nope, I only read faved feed. When faved feed is running out of interesting stuff, then I go dig the rest
- Toni @ NavinoT
This is why I declare bankruptcy regularly in Google Reader: So I can read all my feeds. This is also why I don't have 1000+ unread. I subscribe to sites I read, not to popular sites.
- Bwana ☠
I skim all my many subscribed RSS feeds and if they don't update in a few weeks I move them to a special folder-of-death.
- Rick Cogley
I'm very selective and hate skipping items. So yes, i read (almost) everything. In fact, when i can't read all, I unsubscribe.
- Stanislas Jourdan
BTW, friendfeed is precisely the tool complementary with FF because they are different : in FF you can't read everything (but the community filters what is important) whereas on reader, you're more likely to read everything. Very different use IMO
- Stanislas Jourdan
Despite my best efforts - many feeds go unread. That is why the reach number is so important vs. actual total readership.
- Eric
It seems to me that the main point of this discussion is that we need to develop advanced news recommender systems that automatically push the most important news to us on a person by person basis. I wish that Friendfeed would seize this bull by the horns. That most important news should be sifted from all the news in the world, not just from our feed collections.
- Sean McBride
I think that people who don't read almost everything just don't use their reader as they should. But that is just my point of view.
- Stanislas Jourdan
there are a few select feeds that go in my "must reads" folder, everything else gets skimmed. Mark All Read gets used a lot on everything else. it works well.
- Bill Kinney
The "Mark All Read" button is a form wishful thinking. Perhaps, it'd be better labeled "Don't Care."
- Cliff Gerrish
what's funny is that when I see an item pass through friendfeed that I know I've already subscribed to in google reader, I'll skip it and wait to read it in g-reader.
- chrisofspades
Jason -- an effective news recommender algorithm should fit your mind like a glove: the prioritization of global trends PLUS your most intense interests, as determined by your clickstream.
- Sean McBride
Can't read everything - too much stuff ;-) I have basically two categories for feeds - I read all of the majority of my feeds, but I have a dozen or so news/cool stuff feeds that just produce far too much to read it all (on those i skim the latest news occasionally and they often have a couple of hundred unread items)
- immaterial
OK, I'm dense... where'd the friends reports go for my account? Can't figure out how to see them like I used to...
- Walt Ruppar
Paul's statement above makes sense but I think the spirit of the subscriber count change intentionally dilutes feed reader measurements. I've written a long-form response here: http://friendfeed.com/dpritch...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Every blogger should read this thread re:"Think everyone sub'd to your RSS feed actually reads your blog?"
- Alex Schleber
Jason -- I disagree. A newsreader should know your own "cloud tag" by using historical behavior. If that maps to top trends in Twitter great but I certainly don't follow that rule. If that was the case, I'd being reading things about #iran and #squarespace at the top which should not fit my profile unless I started to tag those trends.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I don't read all of my feeds and I don't think anyone does. I scan my feeds though, via ff. People need ways to aggregate our content, and the smartest people are using social platforms like friendfeed, instead of using RSS readers. One reason why is because filtering the noise is highly efficient with friendfeed lists, and conversation is only a click away. Plus ff is ad free and I can connect with people who have similar views. This approach is working great for me so far!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Good point
- LANjackal
I don't read everything, I don't have enough time :-( There are feeds that I do read completely (the whole article), some I just check the headlines to figure out which article is cool, and some I clearly don't read (my 'bulk' folder, with zillions of entries each day).
- TiTi
For the little guy it works... Logged into feedburner and was like Woah... I may actually put a subscriber badge in my site now.
- Walt Ruppar
There are some magazines you just leaf throught and others you read entirely. It's the same for my RSS feeds. I read the first ones on FF, the others on Google reader.
- Stanislas Jourdan
I understand why you don't read everything because if you did there would be little to no time left for work. It might be a great idea to reply to direct communications from folks that promote FriendFeed across other Social Networks - at least sometimes. If you don't they are likely to move on to somewhere their input is valued.
- Internet Strategist
apparently not only doesn't Paul read, he doesn't participate to the conversation he starts, either. There is tremendous value in reading - not just for the mind, but for the brain. Video cannot supplant that, only supplement it. Just because it's easy, it doesn't mean it's better :)
- Valeria Maltoni
Checking out http://www.momsparknetwork.com! -- come join me!
looks like an active community!
- t i n y m
TweetTabs: a web-based twitter search and trend client from the makers of Tweetmeme - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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Neat. It's like souped-up Firefox for Tweets.
- t i n y m
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