NEW build of Seesmic Desktop is out and Facebook is now integrated.! + you can unfollow people direct from Seesmic Desktop and lots of other new things.. \o/ love it.!
- Qbat
I can't figure out how to get rid of the left column in Seesmic Desktop
- Jesse Stay
i can't stand the seesmic desktop for some reason
- Kyle Dylan Conner
This version of Seesmic Desktop is definitely better than the last two. They keep improving bit-by-bit. Still like Twhirl better though, for now. =)
- Wilford Tibbetts
yes, yes i do and i am a much better person now. thank you Qbat
- Jeff Gignac
I'd like them to trim Seesmic desktop down a bit, that's why I like Twhirl, it doesn't take my entire desktop.
- Colin
Guys, do you really like Seesmic Desktop? It seem to try to be Friendfeed. The new FB integration doesn't even allow to like, comment or even read comments FB statuses!
- Jérôme Flipo
Colin - Yeah, that's also another reason why I like Twhirl. It's compact.
- Wilford Tibbetts
Jeff: Ok, no problem, just wondered, some people really don't like it.
- Daniel Rowley
Twhirl has nicer sounds than tweet deck too. Quite soothing
- lawrence kenski
It may be because of the FB API, but if people really wanted to have real time and services integration, why not just move to Friendfeed? And FF needs no download, no CPU, has a great mobile page, etc. So why?
- Jérôme Flipo
Kenski - Oh yeah! That dang TD chirping is rather annoying. I use TD sometimes and I have to go back to Twhirl within 5-10 min. lol
- Wilford Tibbetts
modern AMERICAN media. Fox, MSNBC, bla bla bla. Over here I have no clue what beefs the biggest media outlets have.
- Jackson Pollock
Well said Steve, we are all subjective, we are subjective beings!
- Colin
why would you want your society to be laid out as a left right, right wrong, black white ballgame where for one to be right, the other has to be wrong. it's such an american concept and it creates more conflicts than it debates
- Jackson Pollock
Publish everything, filter later. We're good with the publishing, not so much with the filtering.
- Cliff Gerrish
Pollock: Tell that to Burr and Hamilton.
- Jason Nelson
I agree Leo, unfortunately objective reporting seems to have been pushed aside for a more opinionated, "entertaining" news source. It seems bizarre to have bias when it comes to reporting the facts.
- Daniel Rowley
Real time won't help for facts gathering online. We'll need lots of time.
- Jérôme Flipo
Pollock - Not everyone can be right all the time. Humanity is a creature of conflict(among other things) and I like it that way. Through conflict we advance and grow. 60% of all tech, and advancements have come from conflict.
- Wilford Tibbetts
One thing I don't like about many tech news sites is the dominance of op/ed in articles that should be straight reporting of news. But the other extreme of sites that just regurgitate press releases is bothersome as well.
- Jim Metzendorf
Look at CNN who uses 20% of their on-air time to talk about how they're gathering information: "wow, we're using webcams, mobiles, twitter, and we're "live"; we have 2 reporters there... wait, no connection... oh, it's back! Do you hear me? So you're there, where it's happening right now, and we're "live"...*sigh*
- Jérôme Flipo
wilford: I just clinch in horror watching american news media. Everything is so bias to one side or another. It's not that I can't disagree with certain people or certain news media outlets, but as a kid grows up, at one point he is more or less forced to define himself as a Fox viewer or an MSNBC viewer. Now fight eachother. It's not there in other societies like it is in the US.
- Jackson Pollock
Flipo: Great point... And MSM doesn't even pretend to be objective anymore.
- Jason Nelson
you can teach journalism in the schools. You can tech people to gather the facts and present them. You can't always teach people to think and share their ideas and thoughts
- Tina Chase Gillmor
There's a place for both, but it's important not to mistake opinion for fact. It seems all too common for people to believe anything they're told. How can it be right to be influenced in your opinions by which news channel you watch.
- Daniel Rowley
Pollock - Oh, our news media is defintely more into airing the extremes instead of the more common Center, politically. I wish they wouldn't do that, but it brings in ratings, so they try to invite guests they KNOW will be annoying. lol...
- Wilford Tibbetts
leo has a great story about richard stallman for this conversation. he hung himself bigtime on the screensavers
- Jackson Pollock
Tibbetts: News media develops personas to market to and works to not offend imaginary sensibilities.
- Jason Nelson
Wilford. Yes. A lack of regulation lets one person or one company take over a certain percentage of the media to spread their word to the people.
- Jackson Pollock
Kyle: Agrees. I don't care for the Seesmic Desktop either.
- Jason Hansen
Pollock - I'm wary of "regulating" News Media. It smacks of govt interfering in our First Amendment Rights to me. I'm very against that idea. To say the least. lol...
- Wilford Tibbetts
Nelson - True. Personally, I think people need to be told the truth cold, hard, and bluntly. People need to be offended. Which, also means I sorta like the annoying far-Left far-Right bickering on the news. LOL!
- Wilford Tibbetts
Hansen - I've switched back to Twhirl for now. Seesmic Desktop has gotten better, but it's still to 'cluttered', I guess.
- Wilford Tibbetts
Just tried Seesmic again for about 5 minutes...went back to Tweetdeck
- Darren Rowley
Tried Tweetdeck, went back to Friendfeed ;)
- Jérôme Flipo
Wilford. Well that's what differs Americans from others.They love quoting their constitution made 250 years ago, and not look at how the rest of the world does it, and has been doing it for 500 years. Government regulation is not your enemy. In certain countries (most western developed countries), government owns certain parts of the infrastructure and makes sure it's on the right path. Here, government owns a telephony company, the biggest TV-network, the oil (and therefor oil production). It's fantastic
- Jackson Pollock
I'd love to see people integrate Microsofts FeedSync for 2-way feeds.
- Jamie
I don't know. I just find that if government controls some part of the infrastructure that that is communist and evil and taking away my rights. Am I better off with a cost cutting, profit making privately held company owning my hospital? I just don't think so
- Jackson Pollock
Pollock - I disagree. I do use my brain and just don't quote my Constitution without using it. I want my govt as far away from regulating my Rights as possible. I don't mind them improving roads, and the like, but I believe a Capitalist society will improve things just find without having govt owning bits of businesses.
- Wilford Tibbetts
They'll migrate? They took years to move from Hotmail to Gmail :(
- Jérôme Flipo
Nelson - Yeah, the Authoritarian vs Anarchist would be fun to watch. LOL!
- Wilford Tibbetts
these guys all sound like birds flying through the air
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Can Mike explain why Friendfeed can't win?
- Jérôme Flipo
Pollock: We need to "retailify" healthcare in US not institutionalize more bureaucracy.
- Jason Nelson
I hear him repeating that, he probably knows a lot about services' successes, but I need some solid arguments.
- Jérôme Flipo
Conner - I hear ya. Only reason I'm here is for the chat and then I'm off. lol
- Wilford Tibbetts
Wilford. But I live in a capitalist country! That government controls hospitals, schools (all levels), transport, energy production, communication and oil/gas production doesn't mean that I have any less rights or any less freedom or anything else. They're one player in a market of many. They provide in many cases the line where competition happens, and make sure that two privately held companies don't jack up prices
- Jackson Pollock
Jerome, probably because of what you just said about hotmail to gmail. Friendfeed's user base is so small compared to Facebook or even Twitter.
- Laura Norvig
Jérôme: I think it's to do with user saturation, the number of people able and willing to use Facebook for example, will far outweigh those for FriendFeed.
- Daniel Rowley
Pollock - Meh, I prefer govt stay out most things. The Federal Govt, anyway.
- Wilford Tibbetts
Pollock: Has a monopoly in energy production and distribution retarded innovation?
- Jason Nelson
Email isn't a model -- 90% of the system is spam. The model should be spamless.
- Cliff Gerrish
Say if I were to break my arm right now. I can go to the government held, national hospital and have it checked, x-rayed and cast before the night was through. Or, I could go a little further down the road and have the exact same procedure done at a cost, with perhaps slightly better service. The point is that nationally held institutes don't have to mean bureaucracy and bad service, it can be just as good a competitor as a private company
- Jackson Pollock
Laura, did you convince some Twitter friends to move? I'm in France, where no non-geek people has ever heard about Twitter, so I don't know why Twitter folks don't move, but I fear that once France will get the Twitter thing, people will just say: "I just arrived on Twitter, I won't change my microblogging channel so fast!". So, please convince the US now before Twitter invade my country, with no hope for progress :)
- Jérôme Flipo
Pollock - Maybe. But I'm not that hot on the idea of socialism in the first place, so maybe that's coloring my viewpoint. LOL!
- Wilford Tibbetts
Same thing for the news media. I could turn on channel 1, and see the channel that is owned by the government. Get neutral, commercial-free news reporting. Or I can pay a fee and get channel 2, which is privately held, and still neutral, with commercials. 99% of the population has both, and 99% watches both
- Jackson Pollock
Wilford; yes, I realize that's a popular viewpoint over there :)
- Jackson Pollock
Pollock: Competition between government and private? Instead of TARP wish US would have thought about that.
- Jason Nelson
Did Kevin just "shh" Mr. Gillmor! Oh, goodness.
- Daniel Rowley
Verified w/ credit card? Isn't that a bit 1st-world-centric?
- Nick in Manila
Nelson - Agreed. So long as it's competitive and not a demand by govt to do it this way or not at all, I'm fine with it. TARP was definitely a mistake, imo.
- Wilford Tibbetts
Dave Winer just tweeted that he's listening to GG and it's the same old thing. Really?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina - What does he mean by "same old thing"?
- Wilford Tibbetts
Tibbetts: Agreed. And I don't think it's a long-term solution. More of a quasi-micro-financing short-term stimulus.
- Jason Nelson
Nelson - That's what I'm thinking as well. I would prefer they do a long-term solution, but too many Americans want a 'quick-fix' instead of something more stable and long lasting.
- Wilford Tibbetts
Dave Winer says all of you on the Gillmor Gang are missing everything :-)
- Jamie
Well, we're in a very special point in time right now. The reason my country was not very hurt by the downfall was because we don't live on credit-cards and mortgages. But essentially, yes. Why would the US be AGAINST socializing medicine, when every other country runs great that way. You can pay for the top-of-the-line in medicine over here too, but you don't have to. Very few people do, because there isn't that big a difference between that and the norm
- Jackson Pollock
Tina - Meh, I'll just listen to the Gillmore Gang instead. =D
- Wilford Tibbetts
PeoplePond has an identity verification service. From their homepage "PeoplePond's identity verification service will give your audience confidence knowing your profile and online assets are yours and not someone posing as you spoofing them."
- Neil Simon
i don't want to see it at the top of the page, google should create a separte profile search only page like it has images
- Wayne Sutton
I set myname.com to point to my Twitter last week.
- Colin
Tina, I don't like sushi. i like fish, though
- Karoli
and the social features on youtube are weak
- Jamie
Google doesn't get social. not yet. but they're working on it
- Karoli
it just so happens that the content is always going to be "social" in that people want to share the stuff they find.
- Jamie
Pigged out on sushi and sake last night, uggh
- jcunwired
Yelp can be gamed just like anything else
- Karoli
Talking about profiles, can you help me for one second, guys? I've a Linkedin profile (http://www.linkedin.com/in...) with links pointing to it, 50+ connections, almost complete. A profile with no links pointing to it and only 1 connection, get the top Google result (http://www.linkedin.com/pub...). I'm pretty sure Google thinks those two profiles are only one, and hide mine to avoid dupes. Am I right? What should I do?
- Jérôme Flipo
compare social features and digg is the winner. it only means so much, comparing accounts and hits are way bigger/better benchmarks for social communities. it's all about the ads and the influence
- Jackson Pollock
Karoli - true, but the yelp community does a good job of keeping out the gamers
- jcunwired
i used yelp last weekend. did better with google maps
- Karoli
Twitter was born out of the facebook status updates. they wanted to do it on mobile. and to non-facebook friends
- Karoli
are any of them offering a professional model and succeeding? no? none of them are really winning, just waiting for the next funding from whoever..
- Terry O'Fee
Need to connect old media (movies, sports, journalism) with order management and directory services. I see TLC show on renovation and order the room through local contractor in blue and oak.
- Jason Nelson
its an interesting phenomenon because the kids were on Facebook before the tech scene jumped aboard on the launch of Platform.
- Jamie
the tech scene were the late adopters in this respect. just like they were late with myspace
- Jamie
Jamie - No, but it's beginning to. Slowly, but it's gaining ground I think.
- Wilford Tibbetts
Some things just never change. Not even the people, eh?
- Doug Kaye
Robert's camera (laptop) is swiveling with him and giving me motion sickness
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Well Leo's name came from the user requested; This Week in Geek, which he changed, and the entire thing happened on the air on TWiT 4-5.
- Jackson Pollock
Anyone know how to stop FF from posting 3 times whenever I make a comment? lol...
- Wilford Tibbetts
Karoli - Whenever I Tweet, it also happens. Which is weird. lol...
- Wilford Tibbetts
Well, let people tell him that, he doesn't have to tell them
- Jackson Pollock
the problem with twitter's suggested followers list, they're not smart enough to pick up interests based on tweets and people I follow, so the suggested followers list is just popular people with no real connection
- jcunwired
It's so fun to see what Scoble has become. I remember being 15 back in 2004 and watching him walk around with his camcorder on channel9 talking to people. He loves talking to people. When TWiT started, I followed them both, and to see Leo and him come together for the first time on TWiT 59.
- Jackson Pollock
I just save me friend from the death of his MacBook keyboard death, set him up with a USB keyboard, and he is really happy with it. I told him to never clean his computer by directly spraying it with cleaner, he didn't listen, resulting in him killing his MacBook keyboard, he has learn a valuable lesson about how to properly clean a computer. Unplug from wall, remove battery, and only! use a damp soft cloth to clean it.
- Beverley Solis
Jamie - adds a lot of relevance, good idea
- jcunwired
personally, I think the most valuable resource I've seen from FriendFeed is the live, transcribing of podcasting more or less. Searching audio is a pain, and if I'm trying to figure out what podcast and what episode had a certain topic, I can search the chat that went on. Crowdsourcing at its best
- Jackson Pollock
One thing about "likes" and adding meta-data through clicks in any way, like Digg as well, not everyone actually hits "like" or "Digg", and that skews things
- Colin
FriendFeed needs to make the leap and become the place that everyone uses to post info (like many of us) rather than use it as a feed aggregator.
- Lawrence Di Stefano
A saved search turned into an RSS feed turns pull into push.
- Laura Norvig
Cisco groups are starting to hop onto twitter, I'm trying hard
- jcunwired
Don Bonaddio she doesn't have to remember to look for data about things she cares about. it's pushed to her.
- Karoli
Stefano: Agreed. Don't you think the latest update does that? I think it takes the emphasis off (perhaps too much) aggregation.
- Jason Nelson
Imagine a Friendfeed link between Web and Gmail in the Google top bar. Then, Google would automatically updates from Gmail, Google Docs, Google News (...) to your Friendfeed, as either public, private or semi-private entries (semi-private is e.g. "X has shared a doc with you and Y" appearing on your, X and Y's Friendfeed). All realtime. Friendfeed then could replace Google News, Google...
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- Jérôme Flipo
That is Leo-speical connections. I say that, I get a "too bad, a**hole" back
- Jackson Pollock
Scoble can stop anytime he wants ... yeah, right.
- Laura Norvig
Doug; my 15 year old brother is so in love with the Gnomedex episode of ITConversations, where Woz spoke. He's an aspiring electro engineer, and listens to it over and over and over again, just like his brother did 4 years ago:)
- Jackson Pollock
AT&T and sprint is the rumor for the EOS
- jcunwired
quite disappointed at the Pre's media solution
- Jamie
Jackson: that's weird. :-) I was at that presentation.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: "The only reason I care about Flash is video." Agreed. Well, MP3, too, for us audio guys.
- Doug Kaye
Trying to get the core iPhone base to switch to something else, is no different than getting an iPod user to switch. Don't forget brand, fashion object, experience, relevance. The iPhone is much more than something you can touch and review, it's got it's own whole mythology.
- Jackson Pollock
flash is a resource hog but an effective delivery mechanism. its not going away anytime soon
- jcunwired
Doug; key features of flash / as compared with mp3 for audio? I see for example Leo doing both on twit.tv
- Jackson Pollock
I think Steve needs to come up with two endings for the show. The "false" end and the "real" end. Or maybe we should sign off ever.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Microsoft put Flash everywhere -- it wasn't Adobe.
- Cliff Gerrish
Tina, the show started when he signed off.
- Cliff Gerrish
I predict that WebOS is going to be a more popular OS for netbooks than android
- jcunwired
coming from CP/M operating system, Windows was like having a date with all playboy centerfolds at once :)
- jcunwired
I'll bet. I use OSX, and W7 pretty much daily. At work I use an 24" iMac with Fusion hosting a W7 Virtual machine so I can use Outlook for Exchange email/calendar
- Don Bonaddio
looking forward to putting v7 on my media pc
- jcunwired
The audio quality is not good on your Bitgravity stream. It sounds like people over modulate at times. The Stickam stream seems better to me.
- Techboy2000
Has anyone posted a congratulations thread for the FriendFeed team? I mean, over the past month they have rolled out a new interface and features with not one hint of a Fail Whale (as I can remember). That deserves at least some kudos. I'll start:
From the announcement thread, it was a good start. And on this, thanks again, appreciate the efforts. Keep the engine running like that and you'll be kings.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Overall great job! (the one <big> stumble with iPhone feed, and the disappointing decision to drop source icons not withstanding, the progress being made is quite remarkable....)
- David HC Soul
+1 on the congrats. Friendfeed is nothing if not absolutely reliable. Good job :)
- LANjackal
A big congralutaions goes to the FriendFeed team, loving the new version of the service! Thank you. I have even less of a life now than I did before. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
You know, I never thought of it like that-they never go down. True indeed!
- Benin Brown
Great job FF team. Great example of getting new features out with little fanfare.
- Lyndon Washington
Just a big *thanks* for all the good time i spend here instead of doing useless things on the internet
- Stanislas Jourdan
Yes it does and it is good for you to point that out, I know they worked hard on the upgrade, so thanks FF folks - if you are in Seattle I'll buy you a cup of coffee.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
"with not one hint of a Fail Whale" - I posted that on Twitter recently.
- George Dearing
And What I was most impressed about is the Show of Force from the FriendFeed team when the actual rollout came online. Other services don't have staff that actually use their product. FreindFeed is great in that respect. :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
FF scales very well. They are ex-Googlers so they've built FF on very solid foundations. Well, that's what I would like to think
- Ade
from Nambu
thats, true, good point. Congrats FF'ers!
- Peter Efland
What a great social media platform. Well done FriendFeed team!
- F. Jay Hall
This is a great idea. Congrats on the upgrade and hoping it doesn't stop here :)
- Jason Williams
++++ so funny -i was just thinking today "i wonder what twitter would be like if the FriendFeed team was running it" no offense meant to the twitter team who are obviously smart and talented as well but as johnny pointed out the diff is hard to miss
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Congrats to the FriendFeed team. Great job! After the UI change I find myself using FriendFeed more and more each day.
- Cristian
thanks for continuing to advance friendfeed in new and interesting directions
- Mike Chelen
Quake is an online virtual reality used by hackers. It is a popular meeting place and training ground, where they discuss hacking and train in the use of various firearms. Many hackers develop anti-social tendencies due to the use of this virtual world, and it may cause erratic behaviour at home and at school. If your son is using Quake, you should make hime understand that this is not acceptable to you. You should ensure all the firearms in your house are carefully locked away, and have trigger locks installed. You should also bring your concerns to the attention of his school.
- Leo Laporte
BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card...
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- invariant - farewell FF
At the risk of exposing my own ignorance, I must admit I can't tell how much of that site is made up and how much could be real people's actual concerns about technology. I guess it's hilarious either way, but a little less sad if people didn't actually fear computers this way.
- midnightgolfer
It's a hilarious article, that I've seen before. Like many of us, I'm half-afraid that there are those that will take it seriously. (or that already take parts of it seriously...)
- Don Faulkner
In extreme cases, over-exposure to computer radiation can cause schizophrenia, meningitis and other psychological diseases. Also, the reduction in exercise may cause him to lose muscle mass, and even to start gaining weight. For the sake of your child's mental and physical health, you must put a stop to his hacking, and limit his computer time drastically. ~ now that explains the heavy doses of prozac & seroquel I am now taking! hehehe
- Matt Sengle
I remember being exposed to this sort of ridiculous nonsense as a kid using computers. My parents luckily weren't dumb enough to buy into what amounts to idiocy.
- Dane Deasy
They make Quake sound like Second Life. Actually, that sounds kinda cool.
- Matthew
I sure am glad this is an old article; hopefully the author has been informed of how the world works by now. However, it worries me that there are still parents in this world who do feel this way.
- Eric Geller
"I must admit I can't tell how much of that site is made up" - well, I understand the sentiment, but isn't the site name a hint that it's probably a satirical hipster-y site?
- Andrew C
A nice parody or a very inaccurate article - either way it's pretty funny
- Rob Owen
I know it is satire but I have heard people talking like this. Proof that a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Anyone notice it is from 2001?
- Robert C
I saw an article the other day about some university freaking out because someone saw a student typing in a linux command line. MUST BE A HACKER!! OH NOES!
- Chrimmus Tad
interesting. I decided to give FF a 2nd try (I signed up for it when it first came out) not because of the celebrity flood to twitter but I wanted a place for *discussion* that wasn't limited to 140 characters.
- Violet Mae Lim
I still rarely use FF compared to Twitter as I'm often using Twitter from a device. That said, I love how my digital life aggregates into a single place, along with everyone else. The key will be search. Tracking "popular" on search topics on FF should be very interesting.
- Geoff Wilson
it's all about the meta data. Twitter will never be as valuable as FriendFeed for that very reason.
- Steffan Antonas
The "cool kids" might be moving, but I doubt that the cool kids can make FriendFeed a success (that is, compared to Twitter. a network as diverse as Twitter). Twitter was the first in its kind. Many people consider it "good enough".
- Meryn Stol
Because you aren't cool anymore and the REALLY cool kids (re celebrities) are on Twitter.
- Laurent Courtines
Agree. FriendFeed is significantly more useful for sharing real information. No comparison.
- Hamilton Wallace
Twitter on Oprah was the best thing for FriendFeed. An eureka moment as she jumped into the Twitter stream...
- zeroinfluencer
I've been on FriendFeed since March 2008 and I love it!!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Twitter and FriendFeed are not the same. Although the cool kids are already here ;)
- Nicholas James
The REALLY cool kids have identi.ca accounts and use it to talk about coding rather than congratulating each other over their new media gasbaggery. Just sayin'.
- Tom Morris
friendfeed has way better noise reduction filters than twitter atm
- Phil Smirnov
I dont know about cool kids, or I dont care if I am one, but I just did it!
- Lakshman Prasad
Steve must be prescient - I think it was last summer when he kept saying FriendFeed was actually more useful than Twitter, which is why I have both!
- Joan Vinall-Cox
michelle, of course you are. you have a pug. :)
- Karoli
It always comes down to Pugs, doesn't it. Good thing we know the truth.
- michelle lamar
It's basically impossible to converse with any manner of context on Twitter. It's maybe a one- or two-blurt attention span. Perfect for those with ADD. I like FF much better.
- Rick Cogley
And, I have a Golden Retriever, so I have no need for a pug. (they're cute, though!)
- Rick Cogley
In no particular order, your friendly neighborhood Dept. of Pre-blogging hereby predictively reports on: Increased speculation, coupled with a spike in Twitter activity. Politicization of the event from the Right (blame Mexico and/or Big Government), the Left (if we spent money in the right places, this would not happen), and out in left field (this is actually the result of an experiment by the CIA/NSA/World Bank/Freemasons/etc). Rapid adoption of irrational coping mechanisms, perhaps including a run on N95 respirators and surface disinfectants. Reassuring releases from the Pork Council that in addition to being the Other White Meat(tm), yummy bacon cannot transmit influenza unless it has previously been used as a handkerchief. An upcoming Schneier blog item on swine flu hysteria being related to confirmation bias.
- Hacker News