100 FriendFeed Picture Groups & 3 Video Groups [Last updated 9/16/09 2:47 am EDT - most of the room counts are from 8/10/09] - http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
Also, here are ~50 people at FriendFeed with cool pics (remember to check their likes & comments) http://ff.im/Bd3Lhttp://ff.im/BqOL This page was motivated by Thomas Hawk's "What is your most viewed set on Flickr? Mine is my my 10 faves or more set" discussion (5/24/08) http://friendfeed.com/e... I finally made myself a "Picture Rooms" list. :-)
- Mitchell Tsai
I'm wondering if others have this problem. Do your loved ones consider your online activities "work"? Do they think you're "playing on the computer"? If so, how do you handle it? - http://www.miningthestore.com
I do both while on computer. Mostly work. But when i take a break, i check out FF, Twitter, gReader, etc. The *techies* in my family know I am working, but the non-techies think I am playing... sorta funny! Non-techies automatically think my browser = play, but in actually, I have 90% of my work in my browser!
- Susan Beebe
I don't think my loved ones understand what "online" even means.
- Kevin D. White
I think people have a harder time grasping the fact that one can actually work at home, on the Internet. Many people in my life still haven't gotten this through their head ;)
- Glen Stansberry
from twhirl
Glen: I am at home getting more work done here than at the office
- Susan Beebe
My wife understands, but none of the rest of my family would - they probably don't have highspeed internet..
- Tony
from Alert Thingy
Most of my friends and family get it, but there is a significant percentage of them who think "working in technology" means "Mark can fix my computer."
- Mark Trapp
@Mark I get that from my family all the time and I HATE it. It's a Catch-22. If I refuse they think I'm being stuck up or unfriendly. Then I help and the next time something goes wrong it must have been my fault. My father is the worst. I have to fix everything because I must have broken it in the first place. Never mind that I've lived 500+ miles away for almost 20 years.
- Kevin D. White
My family members know I work on my computer, as I work at home. like Susan, I play with FF, Twitter, Greader or my blog whenever i want a break.
- Jansen Lu
Haha, Kevin: you might want to try telling them you only work with Macs. For me, and for a long time, that was like saying to people "No habla Englais!" and they'd leave you alone. But in the past couple of years, more and more people are getting Macs, so it's starting to lose its effectiveness.
- Mark Trapp
"Is the above banner ad really show up side-by-side with the rather gruesome story on CNN CNN .com about severed feet washing up on shore in British Columbia? I haven’t been able to verify it with a few dozen page refreshes, but CNN does periodically insert 728×90 contextual ads in that slot, and it has sparked quite a discussion over on Reddit about contextual advertising (as well as links to plenty of rather humorous, obviously fake similar ad placements)."
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
"Twitter is a fun Web 2.0 communications tool that allows users to deliver quick messages of 140 characters or less. The hastiness and ephemeral nature of these messages means that Twitter has become more than a communication tool — it's a source of angry, funny and awkward messages that would be sometimes best left unsaid. Whether they're embarrassing or just interesting, these tweets are worth preserving."
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Shocks! I did not make the list! I guess I am not infamous enough yet. Maybe will make it to the next selection process! lol Check it out see if you find your name on this board, you might be one of the lucky players, or unlucky depend what you said and in which context it was said in.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
So, Rob La Gesse now you lose all control of the conversation. See how this happens? Now I'll comment on your things twice: once in Google Reader (I used the note feed to post the comment above to all my readers there) and now I can talk on FriendFeed all about what you said here.
- Robert Scoble
Here's his points with my counter point: >He loves everything new on the web and often tells us how great it is. MY RESPONSE: I don't love everything new on the Web. I have a folder of more than 10,000 emails from PR people in the past two years. Most of which I've never talked about anywhere. Why? Because they don't deserve getting passed onto you. I read a lot of blogs, follow a lot of conversations, and try things after the earliest of early adopters try things out. I wasn't the first to use FriendFeed..
- Robert Scoble
>>Maybe FriendFeed (but I think that lasts another three months for Scoble, tops). RESPONSE: Rob, tonight, guaranteed I'll never comment on his blog ever again and will always respond here on FriendFeed. That will last a lot longer than three months.
- Robert Scoble
>>And like any other "Sales Pitch" - people need to know how it will help them. RESPONSE: Absolutely true. Our new show, called WorkFast.TV, will be VERY FOCUSED on productivity and helping people get more work done. Tools that don't reach that bar will be discarded and won't make the show to waste your time. We'll have lots of experts on to make sure that the best stuff gets on, and also that only stuff that actually helps people gets on.
- Robert Scoble
The topic of comment deletion and control of where conversations can happen on FriendFeed or on original blogs (which this post started) is being discussed here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
True Followers who respect what you saying and engage you is more important than anything! Followers are followers no matter where they follow you, your blog, Twitter, Friend Feed, or other Social Media network.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I was wondering a similar thing myself since I have more Twitter followers than on my blog. Perhaps I am more interesting on Twitter or perhaps the Twitter format is more appealing than blogs.
- Riayn
A blog takes more energy and time for someone to follow. Think about it: Most people don't even follow 10 blogs, and only the exceptional follow 100+ or 200+. Twitter is much easier because the need to keep up to date with ALL of that information is NOT as important. So it's the blog subscribers that is a better indicator of influence because it takes more to process what you're putting out.
- Ben Parr
blog followers follow your thoughts, twitter followers follow your life, friendfeed followers follow your branding.
- K.D.
I guess it depends on where you post the most useful content. Being followed alone doesn't make one influential. Having ideas that people use and share does.
- Heidi Cool
I don't follow many and am not followed by many. I do get lots of hits on my blog ("lots" being relative), and that's probably the most important to me. Then again, I'm not a pro blogger or integrally involved in computer tech.
- Kimberly J
both blog and other social networking followers are very important, but i think SN followers may also help you by promote your content themselves cause they tend to share more than you blog followers.
- homaid
for my audience, blog subs; actually, I just care if ppl are reading my blog
- Kimberly J
Time consuming and I find there is more noise than Twitter. I like that you can always see everyones replies so you don't miss anything, but every 5 seconds, I've got alerts waiting and new messages... It can be a little much.
- Natitude
Also, I don't see Plurk becoming as useful as Twitter (ex: the journalist story, etc.)
- Rubin Sfadj
Plurk is overwhelming to me. If I step away for 10 minutes, I will have over 100 missed messages.
- Reem Abeidoh
I agree. I really love the concept, but after just a few days I was overwhelmed.
- Sara
It's easier to follow for me than is Twitter, but I'm used to the threaded discussions of Pownce. That said it's already becoming overwhelming. And I just had my first argument there (which I've never had on Pownce) so I'm being less enthusiastic about it than I might have been a few hours ago. Thus this isn't really an unbiased comment as I fear I'm still in a bit of a mood.
- Heidi Cool
threaded response is useful but the timeline is not. I wonder if they can throw ajax in their plurk.com/m and make it alternate standard UI
- Toni @ NavinoT
"Just joined FriendFeed? Want to know some dirty secrets you can exploit to gain you popularity, followers and perhaps a bit of fame (or at least infamy)? If so, I have some tips for you! Keep reading and I’ll make you a master of the craft in no time."
- Maki
As the room grows, I can hardly manage the content being contributed by almost 650 members now (woot). I have added two new moderators to the room. Please welcome Maki and Reem.
Hey Igor, I decided to go with the people I have known for a while and respect in the space. However, if there are any problems or people think someone is better suited, please let me know.
- Muhammad Saleem
The problem is you deleted my posts and other people posts that people in Friend Feed liked. Even @Scobleizer liked two of my posts! You using this room for your own selfishness not to teach and help people with Social Media. You said you put people who you know in your own space as admins, but this is a public room with members from all over! You want this to be your room, make it private and do what you want!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I do not care who is an admin, but being an admin is not about deleting posts. It is about moderating the room and helping people learn Social Media! You do not treat other members as Trolls and tell them they do not understand Social Media! Teach them, but to delete their work is disrespectful. Build a community not be a Boss!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I'd like to question whether the proposed mods are likely to sustain a longer term interest in being active in this particular group, and in Friendfeed generally.
- Andy Roberts
I would like to nominate Andy Roberts as one of the admins of this room because of his interest in community building.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@Igor I know that I speak for Maki and myself when I say that we are invested in the community just like you are. I would encourage you to visit our blogs to see how committed we are to facilitating the growth of a strong community. Please let us know what you would like to see from the admins, and we will definitely consider it.
- Reem Abeidoh
I've not checked in for a few days, so perhaps I'm missing something, but moderation takes a pretty big commitment. If Maki and Reem can help manage then great. If someone else wants to volunteer I expect that Muhammad would be happy to talk to you about it.
- Heidi Cool
@Andy Roberts ... I check Friendfeed and this room everyday without fail. I also have a long term interest in social media so I don't think there'll be any problem.
- Maki
@Igor... Dude, those are some pretty harsh words. It's silly to claim that mu is using this room for 'own selfishness', especially since he gains nothing from it. He set it up, invited people in and people start posting links or conversing on their own. He didn't set up with the promise of 'teaching' or 'helping' people with social media. This is a public space for the discussion of topics related to 'social media'. That's all. Why lay all that unwarranted blame on him?
- Maki
@Maki @Reem Abeidoh I agree with every word you said. You both will do just fine.
- Shane Floyd
@Maki, you saying you are interested in contributing but you are only commenting once or twice a day in this room. You saying it is a public room and Mu did not set it up to teach people Social Media, but he deleted post arbitrary. If you guys are not interested in teaching people Social Media, why not name the room Muhhamad and Maki not "Social Media" If this room is to work do not delete peoples posts.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@Maki @Reem Why do you want to be admins in the first place? If you are not interested in engaging the users, why do you want to be admins? Do you think just deleting peoples post because "You think it is not Social Media related" is what is admins duty here is? If you are not interested in contributing to the development of this community better not be admins.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@Igor... If your idea of contributing to the development of the community and the dialog on social media is to post a picture of a naked Osama Bin Laden having sex with a naked George W Bush (which you gleefully posted to this room), I'm sure we share very different views on what 'engaging the users' mean.
- Maki
You know Igor, it's quality, not quantity, that matters.
- Mark Trapp
I do not hide behind a Manga mask and call myself a Japanese Sushi Roll. Instead of trying to attack my character engage the users in a dialog! The picture that I posted of Bush and Bin Laden is criticism and political satire expressed in Social Media! The White Man's Burden" is a poem by the English poet Rudyard Kipling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Kipling used Social Media to express his satirical view of the Spanish American war in Philippine! A White man riding a Black man.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@Igor Nobody is attacking your character. Just stating the cold, hard facts. You did do what you did. I didn't imply anything by suggesting that we have different opinions (we apparently do). You simply posted that nude picture and didn't add commentary or clarify the reasons why you posted it. When people objected to it, you got upset. I just find it strange that any expressed opinion contrary to yours is seen as censorship, unfair criticism or dictatorial repression.
- Maki
"If your idea of contributing to the development of the community and the dialog on social media is to post a picture of a naked Osama Bin Laden having sex with a naked George W Bush (which you gleefully posted to this room), I'm sure we share very different views on what 'engaging the users' mean." THANK YOU Maki, well put.
- Sharon McPherson
@Igor One more thing. Please continue this discussion with me in private. I see no reason why other room subscribers have to bear witness to our squabbles, which doesn't seem like it'll end anytime soon. We'll try to sort things out. Email me.
- Maki
Maki, there is nothing really to discus! Address the content not the commentators.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Please post whatever content you like & discuss it in the light of Social Media! When someone posts a picture or a link they do not need to comment. It is up to the observer to interpret what the picture or a link means! "A picture holds a thousand words!" If you only see the picture from 1 view, as "Pornography" your view of the world is very rudimentary. Expand your horizons & open up your minds. Deleting a comment is only a single interpretation of a statement made! It is totalitarianism not democratic!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I'm always alarmed by attempts to move a discussion into a private area. What would you want to say in private about social media that you can't say in public? Well the rest of us wouldn't ever find out, would we. If this is how the moderators are expected to behave then it doesn't bode well for the future health of the group.
- Andy Roberts
Is there any way to completely block a certain user from ever showing up in FriendFeed? Just a personal block, that is.
- Timothy Neilen
Not yet, Timothy. They're working on it.
- Mark Trapp
@Andy Roberts Don't be too quick to jump the gun. I had a similar discussion with Igor on another thread in this room and HE HIMSELF suggested that this wasn't the place for it. That we should talk elsewhere. I'm just taking my cues from him. This is something you should understand before insinuating anything. Private discussions may also work better towards resolution. This back-and-forth here is not working, especially when we've already made our points/opinions very clear. There is nothing to hide.
- Maki
Maki, thank you for offering to talk with me in private, but honestly we have nothing to discuss that requires a private conversation. IMO. But you always welcome to email me if you would like to talk with me. I think what we need to address more, is the moderation of this room. I talked to Mu about it a bit by email but I rather we all talk about here in the open. In my opinion we need to be a bit flexible in the beginning and let the moderation process take shape and not enforce it on the group members.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@Igor It's not about it being 'pornography'. Its purely about the relevance. I see it as having no relevance to social media at all. And so I disagree with it. That's my opinion and right. The problem here lies in the fact that we all have different views on what is relevant or not. Should you or anyone else be regulated for posting what others deem to be 'irrelevant'? I should think so. From what I can tell, this isn't set up as a 'post-anything-you-want-no-matter-what-it-is' room from the start.
- Maki
Maki, I do not know why you are fixated on that picture. After I posted it and a few people objected, I left a note on Mu's page consenting for it to be deleted if he thinks it is irrelevant. I did try to use it as a Social Media example of viral signal. I did it to generate discussion in the room and it was completely apolitical.Now that we are building some consensus of what we want posted in this room, we are all coming towards agreement. So no need to beat a dead horse into the ground.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Ok, lets diverge from this picture, because talking about it does not bring us forward. I spoke to Mu about posting cartoon type of pictures as parody to generate interest in discussion. I posted a few of them and the group users really enjoyed commenting on them. Like upside down Twitter whale, Smurf etc. What do you think about posting pictures like that?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
To round out this conversation, 'relevancy' and 'quality' are the only metrics we use here in this room. As long as it is relevant it will stay up and as long as it is quality, it will generate conversation and will be featured in the daily recaps. That's it, there is nothing more to it.
- Muhammad Saleem
I like that. Let's help everyone make a post relevant. Even if OP is a bit off topic we can guide the post to Social Media topic. And I am happy everyone working together to make this room work to help each other. Thank you all.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
major points for Scoble/Philip Seymour Hoffman
- AJ Kohn
Ok, screw this. It's time for Twitter: The Movie. Are you in?! It'll make you laugh, cry, and compulsively converse in 140 characters or less.
- Andrew Dobrow
@Steven - it would too! You'd get to see 1out of every 10 minutes.
- Yolanda
A coming of age drama where something goes terribly wrong (Twitter experiences technical growing pains).
- Mike Reynolds
The movie would be short on dialogue, high on typing sound effects.
- Andrew Dobrow
If Twitter would be a movie, everybody could see it until it became popular.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I tell you? The star is YOU! :) No A-List, no star... This is YOU clicking and sharing the love. Period. Without YOU these guys are NOTHING :)
- directeur
The moment you measure something, people will compete, just because.
- Morton Fox
It's not about followers, it's about participation. Leo Laporte has over 1000 invited friends and 1600 friends and has a low karma. Why? He Plurks about once or twice a day. Those with high karma can have a low friend count. In my mind, the karma is a brilliant way to keep loyal users. It worked for the Xbox 360 and their achievement system and I think it'll work here. It's not for everyone however, that I can agree with.
- Bwana ☠
I need only point to this plurk: http://www.plurk.com/p/1tnp to highlight the serious problems with Plurk. Plurk is like Gillmor's worst nightmare on steroids.
- Mark Trapp
The problem is that in order to raise there Karma people reply with mindless bullshit rather than anything meaningful. Hiding behind the "loves" "hates" "feels" labels totally fuels the "bullshit" fire as well. It's just one massive excuse to say absolutely nothing.
- Andrew Dobrow
Gillmor would implode if he got within 10 miles of Plurk, lol
- Bwana ☠
Plurk is definitely more social and the current crowd that I see is less techy. Very few people are pimping their blogs and new posts. I agree with a blog post that I read that said, Twitter = ego, Plurk = fun.
- Bwana ☠
You know what else grinds my gears about Plurk (while we're airing grievences :-P); the people who ask to be your friend, provide no identifiable information, and when you deny or ignore their request, they keep requesting over and over, with no recourse. I've had 3 people keep requesting to be my friend: I'm not your karma whore, back up off me plurkers!
- Mark Trapp
Plurk would be fun if there was some sort of rhyme or reason to the annoying refreshing responses. Some sort of filter.
- Andrew Dobrow
Pretty soon they will figure out that Karma is mostly driven by plurking and not adding friends Mark :)
- Bwana ☠
Forget the Karma, I could live with that. But the noise-to-signal ratio is just... there are no words.
- Andrew Dobrow
Andrew, my techniques is that I add everyone initially, if they get on my nerves, then I got my friends list and turn off timeline updates for them. I think most of the topics discussed may not be tailored for most of the Twitter crowd. Right now, it's just a giant goof off session, but I think as the community grows and "cliques" form, it'll work itself out. It's already surpassed Pownce in traffic (well, with Alexa numbers)
- Bwana ☠
It's just not worth it to me. I don't feel like it's worth my time or that it's doing anything for me. I can get the same sort of banter somewhere else in a much less annoying fashion.
- Andrew Dobrow
@Bwana but once everyone figures out plurking gives you karma, there will be "I'm eating a cheese sandwich" plurks. I know I don't always have the most interesting or thought provoking things to say, but I try not to post, just to post.
- Michelle Martinez
Paul, your comment is why I wish there were "likes" for comments. Though the services are way different, my time is better served on FF.
- Andrew Dobrow
I don't think the Karma rewards will drive people to go that far, but yes, with every point "system" there will be some who attempt to game the system. They will promptly get removed from my timeline.
- Bwana ☠
Yes that is why I like it better no goof off possible or people will hide you forever'!!
- Paul
There are far better ways to get the same sort of annoying banter and lightning-round responses. I could go to my Grandma's house for that, but at least I'd get some free food out of the deal.
- Andrew Dobrow
Plurk is like a gang-rape of the brain.
- Andrew Dobrow
I think they need to adapt. Adapt to the new crowd they have pouring in. For me, it's unusable how I want to use it.
- Andrew Dobrow
who needs to adapt? Plurk? Or the senseless dribble that you have in your timeline? :)
- Bwana ☠
Plurk needs to adapt and allow me to filter the dribble and to not get deluged with response refreshes without using the damn mobile site.
- Andrew Dobrow
Plurk is insulting to my intelligence and the UI is really problematic to say the least. EPIC FAIL!!
- Susan Beebe
So in short, you don't like the timeline view?
- Bwana ☠
No... I love the timeline view. I think it has great potential and it's unique, but there is something about it that is just so damn grating. It's the whole response thing. Something about it makes me close the tab just so my head doesn't explode. I don't need a notification for every response for everyone's messages.
- Andrew Dobrow
I believe the UI is one thing, but Plurk is about who you follow..much like other services. If the timeline is "noisy" I think you don't want to read it which means you're following people you shouldn't be. I agree the UI isn't for everyone, but the people part I think you can control.
- Bwana ☠
I don't like the fonts, the UI accessibilty and usability, I decided some years ago that i won't use any website that doesn't make few efforts to be accessible and usable. That's my choice :)
- directeur
lastnight i just sat there watching the "responses" go up and only the "popular people get all the action again with the "sheep" mentality
- Caroline
There are gems in the noise: For example, Wayne Sutton has been asking great questions that spark discussion. He's started a question of the day on Plurk which has been successful. I can't stress enough, it's about who you follow and who you show on the timeline. directeur is right, it is about choice and I respect those who hate the UI. I've done the same in the past.
- Bwana ☠
Also, let it be known that the Digg crowd has made its way to Plurk.
- Bwana ☠
What can I say, it's just not for me. It's one of those fad services. The love will pass when the noise becomes too much to bare. And then there will be the opposite problem. You'll hear pins drop.
- Andrew Dobrow
You know the exact same thing was said about Twitter. Just sayin is all :) "It's a fad site that won't last a year." We'll see :) These sites rise and fall like the wind and I'm always there to be a part of it all. I love it.
- Bwana ☠
I'm calling that six months down the road, no one gives a shit about Plurk other than die hard users. If it succeeds, all the power to them. But how it is now, is not for me. For all we know, they could have been behind http://twistori.com
- Andrew Dobrow
Bwana McCall: I myself loved twitter from the first sight, I'm not into big social interraction I confess, I'm on IRC most of the time or geeking arround with other stuff. But I liked the minimalism in twitter, It does this, this way, input output, clear, easy, it's a product finally :)
- directeur
I saw the same benefit in Twitter. It was totally text based and I know how flexible it can be. The thing I see in Plurk is not necessarily what I like, but what this upcoming generation likes. Sites like Kongregate.com thrive on the same notion that Plurk is on. The Xbox 360 took the console lead by implementing a genius achievement and gamerscore system. These kids like competition and will be loyal to it.
- Bwana ☠
Heh... I'm old fashioned (dixit John Coltrane) :)
- directeur
The blogosphere has never been flat, and never will be. And the key question about FF is whether it is scalable. Not in the technical sense - but in the sociological.
- Ian Betteridge
I meant "The blogosphere is flat" as an ironic statement. Clearly it's cool, but clearly some bloggers are going to still have larger audiences.
- Ranjit Mathoda
I've ONLY been active on FriendFeed for a few days (I didn't 'get it' earlier :-) so I'm looking forward to a similar experience. In the meantime, I have been noticing new subscribers who I am looking forward to getting to know. An important step is to import your Twitter contacts to find the ones who are ALREADY on FriendFeed.
- Thomas Ho
from fftogo
I think FF is sociologically scalable because it's based on explicit subscriptions, just like the blogosphere. The main difference is that this is all happening on a centralized platform. There will be certainly be Friendfeed A-listers and B-listers. It's a natural phenomenon.
- Meryn Stol
I think that for FF to be "sociologically scalable" it'll eventually have to introduce either explicit or implicit "subscription rankings" (ie. my brother's shared items should have some priority over Scoble's - in terms of visibility, item weight, etc.) -- "not all subscriptions are created equal".
- Aviv
Great article Charlie. Question for group: What will the world look like in 10 years, when perhaps 500M people might use FF-like services? Mind boggling.
- Mike Reynolds
@Mike - I call it the 5D Metaverse where everyone is hyperconnected across socnets & friendspaces and we can interact with anyone regardless of the language they speak.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
agreed, good post charlie & yes i only discovered you via ff - i think ff will have the same signal to noise issues that all multi-point online tools end up suffering as they scale, the privatization recommendation that @avivs made is step in the right direction, but in line w/ that is how quickly ff will be able to improve its offering as they scale to keep up w/ new ways their community would like to push it w/out getting bloated or suffering the sorts of mindless service outages that twitter has suffered
- mike "glemak" dunn
Thanks Mike. Fun watching the dialog here and on the blog. Just keep callin' 'em like I see 'em? ... and Louis, you were right about Disqus. (Run for the TUMS) Not sure about Scoble's 'fist' appearing in my comments :)
- Charlie Anzman
I've been using plurk for a few days, and it just reminds me how painful it is to use twit without apps like twhirl
- ellaconic
from twhirl
don't know seems interesting but without the current support that twitter has I'm hard pressed to switch over. Twitter currently does more for me with bots and community than other features. I do think it's a good idea though. Nice find Leo.
- Bryan
Plurk navigation is a little odd. Using the keyboard arrows shows you the old plurks but there are no navigation clues on their site.
- Keith Green
Plurk is pretty cool, like the UI and implementation, unfortunately they're having server issues as well :)
- MG Siegler
Plurk? Hmmm. Leo keeps trying to get people off of Twit and it didn't work the first time. Of course now that Twitter is limping
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: It's a possibility with how Twitter is having so much trouble but then again Leo is one of the heavy weights so who knows!!!
- Paul
Plurk has a funky UI, but if they can keep the service up better than Twitter, they could prevail in that space.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
the timeline is kinda cool, karma concept is lame, headless dog icon is just plain strange.
- Benton
Jack: the problem is that Leo reported that Plurk was down this morning. Fail.
- Robert Scoble
I can't read their TOS now... it redirects me to to an error page
- directeur
Robert: Some downtime for a beta service is acceptable to me. If Plurk continues to mirror Twitter's downtime, I'll gladly add to that fail assessment. I agree with others here, Friendfeed, Tumblr and Pownce more than make up for the loss of Twitter, and Plurk (gawd I hate that name) if it comes to that.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
I think that Plurk has more chance to 'catch on' with 'general' internet users, think glorified Facebook statuses.
- Timothy Neilen
All this actually makes me wonder if we're not reinventing notions like forums and IRC channels...
- directeur
I foresee a new career for Scoble...joining and attempting to break beta social sites. :D
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Looks interesting. but the headless dog has got to go.
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Survivors of the that bubble became huge and others just faded away. One that was always speculation that would fail was Amazon. I think we will see something similar. Fast growth of technology and ideas but only the best will survive the long time.
- Geoff Corey
I think people are being more careful this time around. Last time, most start ups didn't seem to have any business strategy and focused more on the fact that employees could play pool all day and bring their dogs to work.
- Daniele Rossi
I don't get it... this is a bubble? It feels like shit. I can't imagine the pop
- Noah David Simon
real estate bubble, fizzle, pop. credit bubble, fizzle, pop. dot-bombed already, so money is smarter. survivors of social media will fare well.
- Kit Krash
I have been doing some research into the growth of social media recently and it looks pretty similar to me in some ways..in terms of bandwagon jumping by those with money to burn. Ordinary folk just seem to enjoy socialising and talking to people online and as more people are used to being online all the time these days with the spread of broadband and multi-computer homes, there are a lot more people about to chat than there were previously.
- Julia Ault
Audience is definately larger and that might be a very important point. Smarter with money may be a different story. We are very conservative at the startup I work for but I have seen other blogs at other startup bragging about buying ikea furniture and aireon chairs right after getting funding. I'm not sure those folks will make it spending cash on frilly stuff.
- Geoff Corey
I just joined this room, so I missed those... Thanks!
- AKs
hmmm why does this need to be posted here?
- MikeonTV
Mu, I know I told you you can remove my funny image but what was your reasoning for removal? Also how far can we push Social media? And I wish you would have saved the conversation associated with the image thread, but I guess you did not!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor, if you cannot see Muhammad's reasoning behind removing your 'funny image' you're a fool. The image is not only incredibly lewd but it bares no relevance to Social Media whatsoever.
- Timothy Neilen
Tim, I left him permission to remove it on his feed, so I know the reasoning. I wanted to hear it from him!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
What makes you think that his reasoning is going to be different from any one of the replies that were left to your post? The picture was both obscene and lewd and bared not a single bit of relevance to social media no matter how you tried to define it.
- Timothy Neilen
Tim, I just hope Social Media does not become main stream media! I respect the members of this group and Mu the admin, so I gave consent for it to be removed.If you want to discuss the image you can come to my room, my members have not objected to it http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Hey guys and gals, I only removed the image because it wasn't relevant to the room. Thanks.
- Muhammad Saleem
Mu, NP the image was not relevant but the discussion was interesting and engaging with respect to using viral images in Social Media! Maybe someone can start a thread on how do we use viral images in Social Media!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor, I am sure that people will not mind if you start a discussion about viral media and things that pertain to it as long as you don't post images of a sexual or crude nature.
- Timothy Neilen
Thank you Tim! Sorry for being graphic, but that is what viral about!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I am sure you are aware of great Pornographer and Human Rights Activist Larry Flint and how he used Hustler to advocate Freedom of Speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... Jimmy Wales of Wikipedia was a Pornographer and he leveraged that to build a free online encyclopedia. The famous Pamphleteer Thomas Paine used viral which was considered treason by the British! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor, while I understand where you are coming from in my eyes pornography is used as a tool for sexual arousal and I feel that it has no place on FriendFeed which is predominantly for the use of aggregating internet services.
- Timothy Neilen
Tim, I understand were you coming from, but could it be that some people are shy about sexuality? Did you know Melissa Theuriau was a Lesbian porn star? Look at how much good she is doing as UNICEF spokesman for "La Rose" Could she have done all this good not being an ex Porn star? I would put a link but someone may have a heart attack! LOL Oh and the infamous Paris Hilton! My picture was mild compared to these ladies!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor, posting of pornography brings up a whole host of issues: moral, religious, age, gender. I personally am under the age of 18 so legally I am not able to view pornography.
- Timothy Neilen
Tim, be careful the cops are going to arrest you for watching Nude Bush! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Ok, Tim, just a joke! It is up to you and every other Blogger and Social Media person to experiment with their own viral. What works for one person may not necessarily work for another! Mu knows me, so he understands why I put the image and removed it out of the concern for our community members which I do not disagree with. We need to respect each other as a community! But let us all learn what is viral, when it can be used, and by whom it can be used!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Many difficult question here, and each of us has to answer them to ourselves.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I am removing the image from my Friend Feed room out of the respect for Friend Feed Network, community and developers! No one from Friend Feed asked me to remove it and I respect Friend Feed management for that http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Hey! I liked the picture Igor... Keep it up!
- Mitchell Tsai
I like it also! I think it is funny! But we need to respect the wishes of the community members!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Stuffy community members... Too PC. Aggh. Just hide the stuff you don't like.
- Mitchell Tsai
Well at least the developers did not object, which is a good sign for the network!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Mitchell, the problem is that you cannot hide items that are posted in Rooms, the only choice you have is to leave the room and there is too much great stuff generated here to leave for one silly pornography picture.
- Timothy Neilen
Tim, it is not pornography! Nothing nude, unless you have a wild imagination!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I hear they are well funded. They sure brag a lot on the home page. I'll let you know when it's up. I would sign up now, and get in early.
- Robert Scoble
Brian: we'll see. The guy who sent me the tip on this is very credible.
- Robert Scoble
If they brag that they're better then Twitter then why do they have an account on Twitter?
- Timothy Neilen
I found their email response to be a bit over the top, but then again, stranger things have happened.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I'm already in, Robert. :-) "The tech is so revolutionary that we had to get special government permits to test it. Initial testing was done on a few select, not to be named, a-list tech bloggers. The response? Total and complete mind melding with the most important geeks in the world."
- Louis Gray
They're like Twitter & FriendFeed Combined ... but so much better! Guess that pretty much seals Twitter & FF's fate.
- Chris Baskind
the name sucks. Yeah im on this new site called ZobZee, no not zombie, zobzee. no not nazi, ZOBEZEE!
- Tyler Gillies
What are they going to do, insert microchips into the brains of people who sign up for the service?
- Timothy Neilen
The Web 2.0 logo generator logo inspires a lot of confidence. Their email is even better, they claim they are an "app that will kill both Twitter and FriendFeed overnight!"
- Duncan Riley
They appear to have networked Scoble's digestive tract, according to the confirmation email. Deeply impressive technology.
- Chris Baskind
I signed up earlier today...now waiting for what this is all about in their email to me today: "The tech is so revolutionary that we had to get special government permits to test it. Initial testing was done on a few select, not to be named, a-list tech bloggers. The response? Total and complete mind melding with the most important geeks in the world." What's all this about?????
- Susan Beebe
the name is terrible as is the logo. My bet is this site won't be a winner
- Michael McGimpsey
What? :) It's all what it takes to get such attention? :)
- directeur
Here's another lovely quote from that same email, (Scoble you'll *love* this!) - "Imagine being able to know what Scoble is hungry for the moment he thinks it? He doesn't even have to type it... just think it, and you'll know."
- Susan Beebe
They have a wet-floor reflection *and* a brightly colored starburst beta badge in their logo. They're pushing Web 2.0 to the next level: Web 2.1, at the very least.
- Chris Baskind
All I see is a mailling list building squeez page, heh..
- directeur
Duncan, my point exactly - I'm so not waiting for this one.
- Orli Yakuel
And they promise this, "Imagine you could know what Jason Calacanis is thinking in the shower." I thought I knew already; bulldogs and cash. With that said, soaking up other users pith-streams will be all the more easier. And Eisenberg is right; this vaporware will collect 1000s of email addresses before the scam is shown up.
- Christopher Harley
I can't trust it, sorry :) And i gave them a @yopmail.com to see the replay, this one was a followup from an aweber autoresponder... big! they call this marketing? i call this crap
- directeur
Robert, you'll probably cry for wasting your time..
- Orli Yakuel
The only reason to join all these potential "next twitter's" is to secure your name.
- sdfx
Better pre-register your username Robert!
- Colby Olson
@Brian agreed on the email response, how confident are there - Our team has been quietly working in stealth mode for 6-months building the app that will kill both Twitter and FriendFeed overnight!
- Joe Dawson
These guys already know about Scoble. If they have half a brain they'll be damn sure to save his "Scobleizer" identity for him and not some jerk out there trying to steal his name.
- Susan Beebe
I got their second email, and.. well, are they name dropping or something? I hope someone from outside of this echo chamber signs up and wonders to themselves "Who the hell are Scoble and Calacanis? They sound like the new pokemon."
- Colby Olson
@Scoble - the lofty email sure makes me think they've got the new internet or something...so yea, that would make you cry, me too actually! ha, ha!
- Susan Beebe
@Scoble - what do you know about their comment, "the moment he thinks it" - are they going to insert a brain transplant in your head or what?! LOL
- Susan Beebe
I just got the email too and thought to myself "I already know what Scoble is thinking, what I really want to know is what Susan and Louis are thinking."
- Robert Scoble
ALL This is plain STUPID. They are harvesting in a very legal way with an opt-in list your emails... I bet it's a joke, Robert, isn't it a joke?
- directeur
directeur: first of all my email is on my blog and anyone can have it. Spam away. Second of all, I don't think it's a joke. We'll see, though. I'll let you know.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, thanks! Louis and I better watch ourselves otherwise the Zombies from ZobZee are gonna put that little brain tracker in our head too! Noooooooo!
- Susan Beebe
Robert, thanks, I don't think that it's about your email actually, but about million of naive other people... anyway, we'll see
- directeur
Paul, I remember Zombo well. "You can do anything at... Zombo." My former colleague was caught signing up our boss to their mailing list. No telling whether that was part of why he became a former employee.
- Louis Gray
@Paul re zombo.com = ROFL ...wow, where's my playdoh and crayons? and what's up with that psycho hypnotic thing in the middle of the screen?
- Susan Beebe
Thank you for requesting to be part of our beta. Our team has been quietly working in stealth mode for 6-months building the app that will kill both Twitter and FriendFeed overnight! While we can't tell you exactly how it will work right now, you can be guaranteed that it will blow your mind. We've taken social media to the next level. ZobZee will be like plugging your brain right into...
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- Brooks Bayne
Sounds irresistible!!! Must have Zobzee. Even if it is some sort of marketing stunt :)
- Andrew Smith
@Wolfsbayne - that's the lovely email we all received from ZobZee earlier... this seems like *way* too good to be true?!
- Susan Beebe
For all of the jive talk this had better be a mind blowing service or there's going to be a big let down.
- Colin Walker
That's what they think is called "copywriting"... come on! :)
- directeur
Talk about arrogant. Too bad they chose a name 80% of the speakers of the world's most popular languages can't pronounce.
- Liron Tocker
+1 Christopher. And I, for one, signed up. I need to know what Calacanis is thinking in the shower so I can know the EXACT moment when he decides to change direction for Mahalo yet again and then I can rise to the top of Techmeme as I so VERY deserve to do!!!
- Cyndy
The domain name 'ZobZee.com' was registered yesterday, as was the Twitter account. I'll venture a guess that a company with $50 million in secret seed capital would register their domain more than 12 hours before starting their viral whisper campaign. Jim Kukral (jimkukral.com) registered the domain, and as a professional online marketer, I'm guessing this is more of a portfolio example...
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- Kevin Fox
The ZobZee makers have another satire site up: http://www.blogbucks.com "The fastest & easiest way to do absolutely nothing to drive a 'flood of traffic' to your blog & wads of cash into your pocket!"
- Philipp Lenssen
Kevin: If his aweber followup is what this guy calls copywriting, let me smile a little bit. This is NOT copywriting! Period! :)
- directeur
no way this is legit. these clowns are internet marketers trying to hustle people is my guess.
- Rodney Rumford
Plurk's UI is cluttered on a widescreen monitor, can't imagine how unreadable it would be on a normal monitor.
- cerement
I think people simply aren't used to horizontal scrolling
- Wil
horizontal scrolling is fine -- i like the timeline style -- but it would be really nice to filter by keyword/location... Twitter's strength is (was) in it's API -- that's what ostensibly distinguishes it from the poorly-named Plurk.
- Andy Sternberg
Checked it out for a sec, the usability issues are glaring. Haven't signed up yet and I don't think it's gonna last unless they move quick to make changes to their UI and architecture.
- Tsega Dinka
I think the scalability issues were mostly because they didn't realize their membership would get such a huge spike today. That said I found it amusing and they fixed it quickly. A bunch of us from Pownce were exploring at the same time, so it felt like we'd taken a field trip to another service. The fact that so many went over and found each other was interesting in terms of how social media is working. The conversations keep wandering about the Web.
- Heidi Cool
Tough question...it really depends on who is doing all the asking. Sort of puts to rest the two ears one mouth problem though doesn't it...here we can be all fingers!
- Luke Harvey-Palmer
Twitter is a converstaion. Facebook is approaching conversation status. FrienFeed is some hybrid between replies and conversations. Blogs are replies.
- Kai S Davis
from twhirl
NinjaKai: Why is Facebook more like conversation than FriendFeed's replies/conversations? Is it because Facebook has DM & IM? I find FriendFeed much more conversational than Facebook unless I use Facebook-IM. The posting of comments is so FAST... I'm having fun having discussions with a FriendFeed group in Iran. The FF post-comments method holds threads much better than Twitter & responds much faster than e-mail.
- Mitchell Tsai
i like that i can use my mouse scroll ball to go backwards and forwards in time, rather than having to hit 'next' on twitter
- MG Siegler
I only just started playing with it a bit, but it's got some interesting features. Don't think it's much of a threat to friendfeed or Twitter, though
- Frederic
no, i don't either frederic, but i do hope twitter eventually takes from it the rather nice embedding of pics and videos.
- MG Siegler