Thanks - though I think it's Twitter's responsibility to make biz acct. Tweets 'undeleteable'. Move along, nothing to see here, only works as laughs. ;)
- Mona Nomura
I agree as well... although I'd hate to be that guy being sued over his review on Yelp.
- Jeffrey Canton
Yelpers are the worst, especially in bigger cities. Some reviews are so biased and people have no shame bashing establishments for completely personal reasons. It makes me sick to my stomach.
- Mona Nomura
haha definitely true... I've seen some needlessly bad ones, if only we could rate the raters on Yelp (not just compliments either). But I guess that would bring up another version of the same phenomenon.
- Jeffrey Canton
The Yelp thing is really bad sometimes. And the system is gamed/abused tremendously at times. Really bad and makes me sick too Mona.
- SAM
Ppl should certainly be held accountable for what they say online. But why single out biz accounts. It should equally apply for all.
- Pavan
Susan, it's an apple! Pavan, my issue is with specifically media outlets.
- Mona Nomura
oooh an Apple, how cute! Soo I have to get a MacBook Pro Air to see it huh? I'll tell my husband we must upgrade asap! :P
- Susan Beebe
Pavan - Yes, everyone should be accountable for what they say online; however, we hold corporate brands to a higher standard as they make brand "promises" to the public, sell products/services accordingly, then we - the public- give them our hard earned money enabling them to prosper and grow. If a brand fails to guard their name (as in the case here) and then further fails to apologize to the public for the problems, then we should definitely remind them of their omissions and hold them accountable
- Susan Beebe
Thx for the clarification Susan and Mona. I just have a flat view of individuals and companies in that both sell/buy services and products for what they deem is fair value; no party is doing a favour to the other. I do support Mona for calling their bluff. If you ask me it was stupid of them to say they were hacked. They should have apologized no question.
- Pavan
Fantastic! Left my comment over there. I think it would be hard not to agree with your position.
- Martha
A radio station using Twitter to post hate speech? Hacked or not, they should be doing a lot of apologizing.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
I do to, and I'm sorry to even kid. I'm sure Twitter is being attacked constantly from various directions, from hackers to script kiddies to governments. I'm impressed they hold up as well as they do.
- Kevin Fox
I think we all share Kevin's views. The timing of Ev's share was very unlucky. But nobody wants this kind of trouble. They have been stressed to the limit with growth, which in theory is a good problem to have, and they are maturing. Tonight was a rare exception to recent continued good news.
- Louis Gray
Do the have a huge whale on top of their office?
- Jemm
LOLLLLL Onwards + Upwards to IRIDIUM!!
- Billy Warhol
Unfortunately, discussions here have gone south... Vocal users have moved to twitter, but there discussions are lost. And then, there's facebook -IFAIC, I try to keep it "private"...
- Panayotis Vryonis
Nope, *plenty* of discussion here. It's when you're not around that you miss it.
- Itachi
There was an article about how FF's quality has gotten better recently. I don't see it either, which brings a tear to my eye. We had some great, deep discussions on topics over here. That was Friendfeed to me, it was deeper engagement.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
And I can't give Scoble all the credit but clearly he was part of that...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Where DID Scoble go?!... things have gotten awful quiet.
- Thom Kennon
He fell in love with Twitter Lists and gave up on FF after Facebook acquired...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
*wonders if he has transformed into chopped liver*
- Morgan Haley
What kind of discussions are you looking for. We've been talking about the best Robin Hood all morning!
- Jeremy (on vacation)
I agree. Little discussion here and every one I generate takes root elsewhere. I occasionally join one here, but conversation on FF has dwindled in everything I see.
- Ken Camp
See here's the problem I see here: There are people that I have rarely, if ever have seen in this thread. Dave Winer is a guy who is famous in the social media world. People often sign up and follow the feeds of Winer, Scoble, and the like and that's all they see. When Scoble leaves and others, they agree with them for saying FriendFeed is dead. However, to the contrary, it's very much...
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- Itachi
I think for some of these people if you aren't a techie, your conversations aren't that important. That's one thing I've noticed that has changed on FF. There is less of some things, but a lot more meaningful interaction among the people who have remained. The people still here are the ones who value a different type of personal interaction. FF is still very active and alive.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
dave - everyone moved to social median
- Allen Stern
I think there's a big difference between "tech" and "social media". People like Scoble often mix this up. There is plenty of "tech" discussion on Friendfeed. And I agree, with Junebug on that respect as well.
- Itachi
Maybe we just aren't talking about what you want to see? Your FriendFeed != My FriendFeed :)
- Johnny Worthington
Once again, the color of the speech bubbles are very telling here. Morgan, Micah, Johnny, Allen have blue. People I'm subscribed to. Names I recognize. The rest of you? White. What are you guys subscribed to, exactly?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Bingo, Rah. The less than active tend to be subscribed to only the A-listers of social media who they are familiar with. And who, alas, aren't active on Friendfeed.
- Itachi
the italian section of friendfeed is quite vocal...
- Alb.
The problem is Dave that many of the tech influentials, CEOs, programmers, journalists, etc spend their time elsewhere now. There are conversations but they are dramatically different than what were happening six months ago.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I think Itachi said it best earlier. The influentials and the like were the common glue (or routers so to speak) that joined various circles together. The routers are now gone, so now we are left with disconnected LANs. Each hold their value to that island but there much fewer bridges any more at least for the technical community.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
There are still some very interesting conversations that happen here - you just have to be subscribed to the right people. Follow some of the OpenID guys (Micah mentioned a few) - there is still a lot of conversation in that area that goes on here. It's a great conversations medium, much better than Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
I would argue many of the developers and programmers who used Friendfeed are still on here. Just because it's not the hot fad of the season doesn't mean it's dead. Slashdot isn't covered much by the social media kings, yet it's still alive and well.
- Itachi
Entries on my home feed with 3 or more comments: http://friendfeed.com/search.... You're welcome to modify the number to come up with your own definition of "discussion"
- Benjamin Golub
my FF has slowed down recently - people I used to have regular discussions with are either not as active, or not at the same time I am... as a result I use it less, and it probably trickles like that
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I think those people who formed a unique community on FriendFeed are noticing less of a change because their community is staying here. Those whose community exists outside of FriendFeed and merely uses FriendFeed as one channel of communication may find more volatility because it's easy to shift to the latest thing. Dave, as someone deep in the tech industry filled with early adopters (and early abandoners) your FriendFeed may be more adversely affected than others like myself.
- Kevin Fox
Dave subscribes to only 122 people -- maybe he needs to broaden his horizons?
- Brian Sullivan
My feed has never been busier, and I'm getting new subs every day. Of course, I'm not very techy so if you are, our paths might not cross.
- Derrick
Building on Benjamin Golub's search: here's the same thing, but for friends of Dave Winer: http://friendfeed.com/search... Looks like a bunch of discussions, several in the last couple of hours.
- Mark Trapp
I think everyone nailed it on this one... FF is no longer the holy land of social media zealot discussion, but has retained a very real connectivity to it surrounding non-tech and some-what tech individuals. IMO, Scoble and the like are not the celebs of current FF, but true wonderful characters like Derrick are becoming them in their absence. If left alone long enough this place could really be cool.
- SAM
Not all discussions are in the main feed either. There's a ton of active groups.
- Rodfather
Kevin should win an award or something for clarity of thought. And to throw in my two cents behind many of the others here, my feed is nuts. I often have to rely on a subset list along with RSS notices just to keep up. Also, unlike the last few months, I'm starting to see a lot of new subs recently. My guess is that FriendFeed is not dead; it was just tired after a long squawk. Seems to be perking up quite nicely now.
- Akiva Moskovitz
+1 Rodfather. Group discussions don't show up in the main feed unless someone cross-posts to their personal feed. Also, techy discussion is fairly limited these days, for the reasons previously mentioned. Mostly it's discussion about our personal lives, work or some article that may be about tech gadgets, but isn't really a technical discussion.
- Jason Huebel
Oh, and for one, I would like to see more tech-oriented discussions here. Sure, I'm all about the hyper-hangout that FriendFeed has become but I also miss the hardcore geek-outs that used to occur here. And I just seriously can't get my head around people having the same quality discussions about tech on Twitter that we used to have here.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Yeah, it's not possible to have a discussion on Twitter. I've posted some tech-oriented things recently and I'm beginning to move more toward geeky stuff in general, but a lot of my geekier discussions are in groups that don't make it into the main feed.
- Jason Huebel
I actually think the conversation streams and peeps have diversified from more hardcore tech to more cultural, art, cooking! not a bad thing. just a different tone and nature of the conversations. i still like that quote from a FF denizen who said "Facebook is where i hang out with people i already know. FriendFeed is where I hang out with people I'm getting to know." Speaking of FB -...
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- Thom Kennon
Dave, let's back up here... Looking at your feed, 99% of your posts are just imports from other services (mainly Twitter). Then you hop over to FriendFeed and say "why doesn't anyone discuss anything anymore?" It's because you aren't participating here. Gotta give something to get something. Commenting on your own Disqus imports isn't participation, either. I think the fact of the matter is that people don't feel an obligation to feed the geekeratti egos now that they've all but abandoned the service.
- Jason Huebel
The last reply you made to a post that wasn't your own was back on December 1st (http://friendfeed.com/chrisme...). Two weeks ago! And you haven't even replied to this post, which you made 3 hours ago.
- Jason Huebel
I also appreciate the fact that a large majority of users are having discussions in languages OTHER than English.
- Johnny Worthington
It's an elegant social network for a more civilized age.
- Goran Zec
Because it counters the thinking (or lack of thinking) of a few social media experts that places like FriendFeed and Twitter and other social networks only exists in western, English speaking countries...
- Johnny Worthington
Not everyone has an iPhone, not everyone can watch Hulu, not everyone can play Foursquare, not everyone has unlimited (uncapped) bandwidth, not everyone wants to know the news the second it happens, not everyone cares who someone reads and not everyone wants to talk tech 24/7. I like it outside the bubble :)
- Johnny Worthington
Maybe I do need to follow more people, but with the same number of followers there used to always be something interesting in FF to read about and comment on.
- Dave Winer
I also love the non-English. gives the place both a global feel - and reality. I have peeps, clients, etc. around the world and FriendFeed is our agreed great leveler.
- Thom Kennon
People you used to follow here have moved on to Twitter. Not many techies around these days. This leaves the rest, regular guys talking about regular stuff. But maybe this kind of discussions don't interest you.
- Jordi Soler
It's like a garden, if you don't tend to the garden bed, weeds will grow. If you don't prune your roses, you just have dead twigs.
- Johnny Worthington
@Thom and Johnny, I participate in the non-English posts fairly often. It's easier with FF Translate, even though I can only reply in English (and hope they can read it). Hey Micah, any chance you can make a translate thingamajig that goes the opposite direction? Translate my English to the language of the post?
- Jason Huebel
Jordi there are still a lot of Techies - follow Dewitt Clinton, myself, Chris Messina, Dave Recordon even some times participates. Then there's Paul, Bret, Benjamin, Kevin, etc. of the FF Team. Cristo's a techie. I could go on and on...
- Jesse Stay
In fact I probably participate with more techies than non on here.
- Jesse Stay
There are a ton of conversations here and some are tons more interesting than others. This one is interesting. The question is though if you are not having a conversation here - where are you hanging out lately?
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Dave, I've been following you since at least 1995, and long before Friendfeed and Twitter. It was because of you that I heard about and joined Friendfeed and I regret the fact that it's lost its momentum since being absorbed into Facebook. There is still no substitute for what FF used to be. But the circus has left town now and there is no way of bringing it back. FF will continue and...
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- Tim Ostler
@Jesse: Perhaps I don't follow the right people then. Anyway, it was not a complaint, it was just a theory of what has happened to Friendfeed recently. More international content (myself) and more "social" posts. Which does not mean that there aren't any techies left. I'll follow your recommendations, thanks!
- Jordi Soler
I blame Facebook for all problems related to any lack of participation over here (j/k)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Although "blame" is a harsh word, the Facebook acquisition was a significant turning point. Whether that's a downturn or not is debatable, but that's when most of the tech-elite skipped town. I admit to feeling down-in-the-mouth occasionally because I miss the technical involvement of the FF devs. But there is still a lot of good discussion here. It's just not as technical in nature.
- Jason Huebel
Discussions are not missing. They're just harder to find.
- Louis Gray
Jason, it's worth a good hard think and discussion. Posting translated text is a thornier issue (thinking form the POV of the tool maker). It commits to record an imperfect source, with any successive translations further degrading the signal (copy of a copy). Maybe I'm overly concerned about it, but like I said - needs more discussion. Thanks for getting the ball rolling :)
- Micah Wittman
@kr8tr tried to hold a 30 min real-time Q&A yesterday via Twitter on "What's it like to be Scoble's boss". I bailed because little way to follow. Twitter search on "@kr8tr" kind of worked but you had to keep refreshing. Google search a little better. But it would have been ideal had he announced it on Twitter (where everybody is) and then pointed to Friendfeed for the Q&A. Not sure there's a better platform for that kind of rt discussion.
- Nick in Manila
Another prob with Twitter in above context is everyone is using different Twitter apps that regurgitate the firehose at different rates so some people see comments much later that others. On Friendfeed, the sequence is at least consistent across participants.
- Nick in Manila
Dave, you might need to broaden your interests.
- zeroinfluencer
Nick: I agree. One little datapoint, though. Since Facebook bought FriendFeed I've gained 14,000 followers on Twitter. That is more followers than all but five people on FriendFeed have. The reason Twitter is popular is, well, it's popular. I'm sad that FriendFeed lost out, but it did. Oh, and Facebook has similar threading to FriendFeed only you have to refresh the page to see new...
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- Robert Scoble
Robert, with the 14,000 new followers, is that a spike or did it follow natural upward trends?
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny: it's definitely going up faster lately due to new list feature.
- Robert Scoble
So do we assume conversations are "dying"? (Hate the word, every once in a while something "dies" in the internet...)
- Jordi Soler
It would also be helpful to evaluate the level of conversation that was here and has now left. Quantity != Quality
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
For each of us it depends who we are following and who is following us, and whether people with interests in discussing certain things overlap in time sufficiently with you to get a conversation going - I guess I need to change my follow profile
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
There's 59 comments and 32 likes on this thread. What are you looking for exactly? That said, I tend to read only the 1st and last comment in these long threads.
- Vincent van Wylick
Vincent you got me there. Of course I knew there would be 33 likes and a zillion comments on this when I posted it. I am such an unreasonable person and you could see that! Your mother must be so proud of her little Vincent. :-)
- Dave Winer
thats why i am out of here and spending my time in boredom ,reading or sleeping
- ffcode
Vincent, the reason there is so much activity on this thread is because the topic is Friendfeed, specifically lack of activity on Friendfeed. People will flock to a topic if they can prove it wrong.
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
@Jason, that's a kind of cynical view, don't you think? This is a topic that's of common interest to everyone on FF. Most other posts are only interesting to smaller groups of people. That's not a bad thing. I think there is just a wider array of topics to talk about on FF now that tech evangelists have moved on. So the activity is spread out.
- Jason Huebel
And again, looking at your feed activity, you spend very little time interacting with others on FF. Most of your activity is importing from Facebook. So your experience isn't going to be as good as someone who actually shows interest in the posts of others here.
- Jason Huebel
I wasn't saying there aren't conversations to be found but I'm talking about his experience. He wasn't seeing any interactions on his posts until he posted about FF. Make your own conclusions.
- Jason Williams
Which is why I said "again". Dave Winer's interaction with other people's posts is minimal as well. He comments on his own posts all the time. But you'll never start a conversation if you only talk to yourself.
- Jason Huebel
Dave has obviously not visited the Life Scientists room :)
- Deepak Singh
it's a hard sell when you can't engage with your own content, for sure. I'm trying to be better at adding commentary as to why I thought it important enough to (re)post what I (re)post rather than leave it to a bunch of bots to aggregate/shovel it out.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
But he did start a conversation, it's just that it was about Friendfeed so others joined in. Go look at best of day at any time and you'll find multiple items about Friendfeed. It doesn't bode well for a service if the most popular activity on that service is about said service. If you looked at Twitter and saw half of the trending topics looking like (Twitter fail, twitter is dead,...
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- Jason Williams
Jason, I don't comment on my own posts. That's the second time you said it, and you're wrong. I hooked up my Disqus feed to FF so you're seeing my comments there echoed here. Stop being such a wiseass, you're not half as smart as you think you are.
- Dave Winer
I'd love FriendFeed discussions. You can't have them on Twitter because of the lack of threads and you can't keep track of everyone's message. One of my biggest issues with Twitter.
- Patrick
from twhirl
Ah, nice. Name calling and insults. But you've just proven my point. The "comments" are also coming from somewhere else. You expect to have people interact with you but you invest very little time in FF yourself. If you put even a small percentage of effort into FF that you do other services, you might actually see results. It's no longer good enough to import one's feeds into FF and expect people to pay attention. That ended when many of the tech elite left the service back in August.
- Jason Huebel
The truth is, the people left here on FF are mostly "little fish" when it comes to tech. So one really can't expect to get 1000 likes and 2000 comments on a post anymore. None of us have a "fan base" that can support that.
- Jason Huebel
I don't expect anything -- I asked a question.
- Dave Winer
I think Friendfeed is evolving into something quite different of what some people predicted a while back. But it's not dying, no way.
- Jordi Soler
Except when I'm addressing the issues I've pointed out with your feed, when I say "you", I'm using that as people in general. I can change all the you's to "one", if that will clarify. (Done.)
- Jason Huebel
Jordi, what is your definition of dying? Is it different than people leaving en mass (with the exception of non-english speaking countries) and the talent behind the service bought up by a mega-site all the while people arguing weather the service is viable/dying?
- Jason Williams
Good point. Dying as in "Geocities dying". But I see people talking about many things everyday. Just not the same topics there used to be.
- Jordi Soler
OK wait, Dave. First you claim that there are no discussions on FF. Then you say you don't comment on your own posts. The way I was brought up was that a discussion is when you say something, then other people respond, then you respond back, and so on. FF, like most anything else in life, is what you make it. If you don't interact with people here, then you have little basis for complaining (sorry, _observing_) that there are never any discussions here.
- vicster is...
I don't understand why people think the convo on friendfeed has gone down hill. It is the same if not better then it was before. If you don't like the discussions from the people you are following then find some new people to follow.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
i dunno about other people, but my FF is jumping so fast lately that i can barely keep up...and now it's mostly things i DO want to read about.
- Joe Silence is silent
vicster+++ I just skimmed, but this dude sounds like he hasn't been skiing for three years and says "how come no one ever skies anymore?" If you came to the FF mountain once in a while, you'd see my crazy ass every freaking day. I use FF more now than I ever have, more than I ever dreamed I'd enjoy. Now maybe you think the mountain has been taken over by hooligans, and that may be a fair point, but the caliber and content of my discussions do not make them non-discussions.
- LAST DAY OF WORK
My conclusion, based on this thread, is that there is indeed some discussing going on on FF. Mostly of the "Neener neener" variety. :-)
- Dave Winer
You can't base your conclusion on one thread of conversation with a topic like this. Why don't go and look for other people to follow and you'll see some activity.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Well, sure. You called us out. So there's going to be a bit of that. But in all honesty, there's a lot of good people here with a lot to talk about. You just have to seek it out.
- Jason Huebel
@Dave: "Neener neener" is the response your comments require lately.
- Joe Silence is silent
Of course you don't see any conversations taking place...you aren't even subscribed to me.
- Alex Scoble
When I said "Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?" I was (in case it wasn't totally obvious) looking for suggestions not lectures. I'm now following Alex Scoble. I check FF many times each day.
- Dave Winer
Woo! I finally hit the big time! Seriously, though...thanks for the subscription, Dave. Much appreciated.
- Alex Scoble
If the FriendFeed community were not so oversensitive, one of the 100 comments above would have answered Dave's question by pointing him to the advanced search form, specifically the "at least _ comments" field and the saved search feature. Then he could quickly find discussions on his favorite topics every visit.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Bruce: That was the 23rd comment, from Benjamin Golub. How more/less oversensitive does that make us? ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Good point, Ken. I searched for "advanced", "comments" and one other term, but didn't find that one. It makes the community 34.7% less oversensitive.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Friendfeed and Twitter lack the depth and breadth of Facebook, no matter which way you slice it. Gather the best minds of our generation, in many fields and areas, on Facebook, and you will not have to complain. Friendfeed and Twitter are, however, useful as secondary feeds into Facebook.
- david beckwith
FriendFeed still saves my stuff, unlike Facebook where my posts are lost in the ether, but I do miss the more active FriendFeed of times past. I think once "best of" became a standard feature, FriendFeed shifted to more family, personal life, etc... discussions rather than "tech" stuff (for better or for worse). Even for techies, new/lost jobs, new/old romances, etc... generated more feedback & discussion than most tech topics.
- Mitchell Tsai
Will Cunchpad deliver the apple user experience that its design seeks to imitate? Love the idea of a $200 tablet though. http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
You just answered your own question with a couple of nos. Nobody can deliver equivalent level of immersive interaction without a sizable investment. Which Arrington hasn't got. And you can just about forget the idea of a $200 tablet, it won't be happening. This was a gross miscalculation of TC team once upon a time based on cost of components in somewhat midsized batches of the product...
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- ianf ⌘
How do you know Arrington doesn't have the investment money? He frequents the VC crowd. Are you suggesting that the whole venture was created on a whim without any prior market research? Surely this is not a 'vanity device'?
- Andrew Eglinton
Will it only run a browser? Would be nice to run maybe Adobe AIR apps or something. Like tweetdeck.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
That's exactly what I am saying, a badly researched vanity project against better judgement. It's all well and dandy if TC manages to come out with an initial, still-imperfect batch of these, and then sees the goodwill towards the product crumble. What Arrington hasn't really thought through is that in order to compete in the commodities market (as any $200 web-appliance device...
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- ianf ⌘
I think the initial spec spoke of somewhat modified FireFox browser only, with some plugins and linked Skype, etc. No OS would be needed. Then they must've realized that FireFox, even a very stable release, is a glutton for memory, and a constant future vector for user complaints why it can not be extended by this and that favorite plugin, and must have reconsidered its use. I don't...
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- ianf ⌘
ianf - These are all solid arguments you make here. Another point that comes to mind is to do with form factor. Do we really need a large touch screen device when the tech world has been perfecting portability for the past 60+ years? The iPhone (and its competition) is shaping a large swathe of today's digital landscape, so while it may still seem desirable in 2009 to provide more screen real estate, it's soon likely to become a non-argument.
- Andrew Eglinton
Actually, CrunchPad's "oversized" form factor is of little consequence to its portability, as the device has apparently been designed for use within easy reach of a recharging socket. Consequently, I do not expect any great battery life from it, perhaps 2hrs on full charge (that's what one could depend on from Compaq, then HP TC1000/TC1100 tablet with similar form factor). If it turns...
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- ianf ⌘
[December 2nd, 2009] For the record: here's the official "Demise of the CrunchPad" by Arrington himself http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... plus a lame attempt at explaining away the colossal non-future of this ill-conceived project: http://www.crunchgear.com/2009... Ah, well, it was entertaining to read about while it lasted.
- ianf ⌘
The only problem I see is that advertising may not be the best way to make money from it.
- Brian Sullivan
@paul, Is it correct to replace email?
- Hasan Ozgan
Hasan, I don't understand your question.
- Paul Buchheit
A wave-gmail integration sounds like quite the challenge. Perhaps the real-time text updates will happen and will be useful, but I can't see the conversation fragmentation of Wave being a good thing for Gmail.
- Mitch
While I admire the approach of releasing something that's pre-beta, it seems there is quite a risk that people will think, "oh, I tried Wave and didn't get it," and they will not come back to it for a long time.
- Laura Norvig
Laura - Google wants developers in there making cool stuff in the lead-up to the public release. If it were only developers trying out each others tools, things would be stagnant.
- Mitch
I live and work in Gwave - business partner could not access wave due to inferior connections in Manchester and working in docs again was such a backward step!
- Callie O Farrell
That's true, Mitchell, I forgot about all the gadgets people are developing. Also, Gina Trapani pointed out that the one interface that most of us see when we opt in to "try wave" is not the only interface available. I would love to see some samples of simpler/different interfaces.
- Laura Norvig
The fact that Google Wave was not part of Gmail's roadmap and in fact is positioned as "the future of e-mail" was a sign to me that Google is now large enough to suffer the kind of organizational dysfunction that has done in its predecessors. As you mentioned, e-mail will be with us for a long time. It would have been better to position it as "the future of collaboration" and indicate...
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- Dare Obasanjo
There was shortage of wave invites when it came out but now people are waiting to give wave invites. I didn't see any of my friends returning to wave after they used it once. I log into wave everyday just to see if there are any improvements.
- ashish
Paul - Great insights! I too feel Wave is most suited as a team collaboration / productivity tool. The biggest hurdle is loss of context and convo structure. Once the wave team better organizes the UI, then it can go mainstream. Wave integration with gmail would be super cool and highly useful, plus it greatly would speed up user adoption.
- Susan Beebe
I just posted my comment above on your blog, facebook and here - LOL :)
- Susan Beebe
"The chronological flow of the conversation is lost." That's exactly the issue. Playback tries to address it but doesn't quite. I think there are other ways to do this, that will be tried both inside and outside Google. I'm thrilled that Google didn't force the Wave team to be part of Gmail from the start, because that would have added all kinds of unnecessary constraints. This way Wave can try lots of new stuff and Gmail can adopt what sticks.
- Daniel Dulitz
It's Sharepoint started from the web side instead of Office
- Nick Lothian
I had assumed that at some point Google would merge Wave and Gmail. It seems the natural progression. Also, I think the linearity problem will be addressed when they can figure a way to easily mark the new replies so that you can quickly see them - maybe in some from of selectable overlay or view of the wave
- Martha
Don't we think they should merge Gmail and Wave because we don't check our waves as often as our emails? What if we all had a cross-browser and mobile notification system for both Wave and email? Since I have installed the Chrome checker extensions for Wave and Gmail, the question of a merger doesn't make any sense. I can easily email and wave the same way I use Facebook, Friendfeed and...
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- Jérôme Flipo
No, I think Google should merge Gmail and Wave because many times in the middle of an email conversation I wish I had wave functionality. Because the conversation has gotten hard to understand and I want to play it back. Because different subthreads have different people on them for no good reason. Because an idea has turned into a proposal and the words aren't quite right.
- Daniel Dulitz
Here's a specific type of merger I think could work. Wave "merges" with Gmail, GChat, and Docs, in that whenever you create an email/IM/doc you are creating a wave. Anyone can see that wave in its full realtime nonlinear glory from the product Wave. Any wave you have (whether started from Docs or email or...) can be seen in Wave. But Gmail, GChat, Docs, etc. provide only some functions...
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- Daniel Dulitz
@Daniel Dulitz sounds somewhat like how social networking aggregator such as friendfeed works. This way Google wave will aggregate all the activities of gmail,Gchat, docs and other "google activity" in one place.
- ashish
I am not so sure about Gmail or Gchat and how you would integrate them-- as Wave seems to have similar and some cases superior functionality that supplants them but being able to collaborate on the production/editing of Google docs in real time perhaps using Google voice conferencing would be nearing a game changer.
- Brian Sullivan
That would be great, Daniel. But I think it would require *a lot* of work for some teams at Google and some good explanations to users. I'm sure we'll find specific usages for Wave. Personally, I would let the service grow by itself, without complicating other services. Imagine if I start a Wave and some of my friends participate in it through Docs, some other from Gmail: many troubles...
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- Jérôme Flipo
@Dare: I disagree that Wave is evidence of organizational dysfunction (not saying there *is* not such dysfunction, but Wave certainly doesn't prove it). Whether you love it or hate it, and whether or not you think it will be successful, I believe it's evidence of a company that wants to continue to take risks and innovate in the face of organizational momentum. Why wasn't Wave part of...
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- Joel Webber
It seems like the only big issue is the non-linearity of Wave. So, instead of merging other products to offer alternative (somehow), why not let the creator/owner of a Wave choose if blips should be linear?
- Jérôme Flipo
Well Paul, I also think Wave is very clever. Yet I see a few problems regarding the launch process: 1. They launched it exactly like Gmail, by reducing invitation supply & delaying invitation delivery. Yet, unlike an e-mail account and a web based e-mail client this is a collaborative tool that you can not use alone. That's the main reason most influencers and early adopters are...
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- Cem ARGUN
Regarding my proposed merger... I think part of the problem of Wave is that it has too much capability for many people, but real experts (may) like the full-on experience. So let's make everything a wave. Experts interact with those things in Wave or some other full-on experience. But people in the slow lane can interact with _the same wave_ using "views" they are more familiar with --...
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- Daniel Dulitz
Jérôme, in addition to "linearity" there is also the issue of edits versus replies. Also, what do you mean by allowing the creator to choose if blips should be linear? Transforms are sequential today; the whole question is how to extract "(conversational) linearity" from "mere sequence." Linearity is a UI issue. Why allow the creator to specify the reader's UI, instead of leaving it up...
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- Daniel Dulitz
My definition of linearity is rather basic, as is my English :) I meant "non-threaded" conversation, just like here. I think most of the confusion comes from realtime hierarchical conversations: we can't determine easily where the discussion is going at a given moment. As a doc, a Wave must support sub-threads, but as a conversation it may be helpful to oblige participants to respond to...
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- Jérôme Flipo
Keep in mind that's there's a difference between the Wave Protocol/Architecture, and the Wave client, just like there's a difference between SMTP/IMAP and Outlook (vs Gmail). If the UI is not streamlined for a particular use case, then perhaps other clients can be designed which leverage Wave infrastructure, but provide a more optimal experience for a given problem space.
- Ray Cromwell
Jérôme, in my view not even email obliges people to respond only to the most recent email in the thread. Maybe Wave should always show a compressed "timeline" view of every event. Perhaps a very zoomed-out icon of the whole wave in the upper-left corner of the wave, showing its blip structure, nesting, etc., with hotspots everywhere there's a change you haven't read yet. To the right of...
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- Daniel Dulitz
This is clearly not my cat. If this was my cat he's have one arm shoved down into the printer trying to tear up all the internal whirling bits with his bare claws.
- Soup
Too Funny! Reminds me of the San Mateo Cat Shelter where one of the cats loves to sleep on top of the laster printer where the paper comes out...
- Greg Lato
1600+ to beat the FFundercats live chat thread. I think with this real time now on all threads we're going to see some truly epic comment numbers.
- Simon Wicks
Ivan, no the picture speaks for itself. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Petr, I have no idea what you mean, but thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol .. :] that, partially, might have been the purpose.... I don't know it exactly either. :] .. was I reflecting on a cat under the fax, and that it is hard to fax that way ... /?:] ... "underfaxing at its worst" ..
- Petr Buben
there ya have me ! :] .... see, to be honest with you, i saw this pic couple days ago, but i let it go, without posting it ..... what does that make me? :]
- Petr Buben
even a flat cat... faxes just can't handle the hair. You'd have to shave the cat first, else the hair will burn and stick to the drum... a mess! (I am extrapolating from transparencies, mind, i don't have access to a cat to test)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Hehe, Joelle. This is now tied for the 'likes' top stop. One more then, hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, Greg. Blimey! Erm, is that not far from 500 likes now? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bloody marvelous, Kol. Wish I could like it again... too cute (and help u to 500 likes).
- Roberto Bonini
I couldn't believe it when I logged on from the morning over posting it and saw it was at something 200 likes! You all have a strange fetish with cats and fax machines, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Am I the only one who saw this and their first thought was - My goodness did someone break that cats neck? It still freaks me out a little
- Steve C
Steve, it does look a little out of place, but cats are pretty bendy. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
They fax much better if you flatten them first. What?
- Kevin Pedraja
So we can put this post to rest now. :-) 505 likes final count, wow! :-D Good night all!
- Kol Tregaskes
My like is the last one so far :) - 509 afaik
- getalifejerk
did 3 people really un-like this? now at 506. wtf (edit: uh, oh, yeah, me and 2 + 506 others makes 509. dammit, jim, i'm an artist, not a mathematician)
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
One of the best funny cat pictures I've seen! :-)
- John Collis
Kristian, it appears to be. Hehe, John.
- Kol Tregaskes
ای بابا این پیشول بی خیال نمی شود، بابا پاشو برو دنبال یه بازی دیگه ، از هفته پیش تا حالا تو فکس ولو شدی حوصله ات سر نرفته، پاشو اقلا بپر رو کیبوردی چیزی
- Maryaminaa
It's really only social convention which regards it as inappropriate, same with Xeroxing it, like one does with their b__tocks. Wait are we still talking about cats cats here or...
- sofarsoShawn
OMGosh 700+ likes now!! LOL. Thank you all 702 of you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Wow, that's a stumper of a question! :)
- Susan Beebe
Learn all that you can, be noble, true, humble, love much. Seek wisdom from your family and friends
- Susan Beebe
I would say: pls take a picture of me using your iPhone and post it to Posterous and capture that 12sec video of reincarnation process : )
- victed
from iPhone
I wouldn't need 140 characters: "in whatever you do, strive to do it as well as you possibly can." 64.
- Bren -- Designated Driver
from iPhone
Never stop learning, enjoy the little things, cherish friends & family, try your best, keep an open mind, and indulge yourself occasionally.
- Nathan Chase
chase your passions, the rest follows. observe everything. work, love and play hard. change happens. live full and balanced. 3
- Charles Ying
Risk is not an option. And eat your vegetables.
- Micah Wittman
Study Thomas, he has more answers than anyone else you will read.
- Alex Scrivener
Number to a Swiss bank safe containing cash, guns and numerous passports. Yes, it is from a movie.
- Peng-Toh
.....so are we trying to guess the meaning of life here? essentially I think that's what this question boils down to. I only need two characters:
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Let's git rid of 140 chars nonsense limid.
- Petr Buben
"Reasonable men adapt to the world around them; unreasonable men make the world adapt to them. The world is changed by unreasonable men."
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, try telling April that next time she is frustrated with you; I'm sure it will help ;)
- Clare Dibble
Just told my son this tonight -- Leave the earth better than the way you found it.
- Joe
"Its not that bad, stop sh*tting yourself, ;)"
- chaz2b
++Leo, that sounds like very useful advice. :)
- Ruchira S. Datta
In the end it really doesn't matter, enjoy it while it lasts, do what makes you happy, try not to sabotage the happiness of others.
- April Russo (app103)
Don’t sweat the small stuff. It’s all small stuff.
- Laura Norvig
"Dear Reincarnated Self: my head is frozen with the Life Extension Foundation. To get cool advice pls unfreeze me at ur earliest convenience."
- Philipp Lenssen
"Dont be afraid to take chances or march to a different beat. In the end only the soul counts, don't sweat the small stuff. Listen, learn."
- Grant Bierman
"Please ask the next generation to increase maximum message length."
- Ray Cromwell
BTW, Commander Data was able to get away with sending only 2 *bits* of information into the future/past to break out of a 'groundhog day' scenario. The message: 3
- Ray Cromwell
There once was a site called Twitter. It was worth a billion dollars...
- Sean Kelly
Exercise every day, learn to program asap. I have discovered a truly marvellous proof that these are the right things to do which this twee
- j1m
"I've finally discovered the secret to a contented and effective life, which for you, begins now. This joy can be yours. Just claim it by t" <snipped by character limit>
- Kurtiss Hare
Search for the will of the creator. Prefer the heaven of love to the hell of power.Every moment is unique.Train empathy. Give. [ yeah, I kept in the character limit! Twitter is like life sometimes, only, hu, more limitted :-]
- Willi Schroll
L^2>∞ love of life is greater then time and space. Compassion destroys the destroyer peace above me below me around me down me radiate peace
- Robert Higgins
That's easy: Join friendfeed as soon as possible.
- Jim in Real Time
don't sweat it kid, you just got a do over...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
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- Edward Coffey
"Propose multiple solutions to every problem. Or choose your own life."
- Ivo Danihelka
Love always wins. Don't sweat happiness: find joy. (ponders how to translate the "becoming a man" speech from Secondhand Lions into 140 characters...)
- Ladybug Heather
Remember to save often...data and money. Live life like you have a reset button.
- Brian Merriman
It's not just you, they're all crazy. Make as many friends outside the family as you can. You'll want to leave home. Do it. Don't look back. (this is a seriously awesome topic!)
- LAST DAY OF WORK
Follow your heart. Don't worry about failure because apparently reincarnation is real. Snooches!
- Kevin Fox
Dont let others decide for you what is good and right for you. Not even this message.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Learn your math. Especially Geometry. It will make your coding SO much more compelling!
- Joe Nickence
Well I won't list all 140 but 1 I will is: Do not live your life to live..Live it to die. In other words, prepare for death because all life is about is another chance to get it right so you can end Samsara.
- Merlyn Seeley
"In your past life, you never understood why people liked Twitter."
- Ryan Kaisoglus
Dear new self: whatever you do, don't make all the same mistakes with your life that I did with mine. For example, you should never ever try [MAXIMUM MESSAGE LENGTH REACHED]
- s t e v e
You, are fine. To hell w' 'em if they think you're not pretty/funny/smart/rich enough.
- Summer
Find Stuart Diamond and take his negotiation course when you're 16. Love yourself so you can love others. Also, reincarnation exists, and you were a geek in your previous life.
- Daniel Dulitz
Don't wish for what you aren't. Life will be far more interesting than you could ever expect. Play with the cards you're dealt, and have fun
- Bette Cooper
Call me Stewie, bow now and pay later. Put another coal in the power plant so you can continue watching this homage and choke on the fumes. [140 and referenced Family Guy, ideology, commerce, ecology, choice, and lost will.]
- William 'Bill' McPhe
"Tom Cruise must be stopped. By any means necessary."
- Otto
Otto, you have room to add "--your mission, if you choose to accept it."
- Micah Wittman
Life is all about ass. You're either covering it, kicking it, kissing it, busting it, laughing it off, or trying to get a piece of it.
- Mona Nomura
Be kind to animals, nature, others & yourself. Do what you love. Love what you do. Never stop learning about the world around you.
- Bronson Harrington
Try to find the 140 characters you would pass along to your reincarnation.
- Eszter Susánszky
"Print adverts need to get a message across with a single image and without the recourse of interactivity that we find today on the Internet. As interactive media expands, attention spans are getting shorter and shorter every day. For any company trying to get their product or service out in print format, the task is ever more challenging and difficult. Humorous ads remain one of the few effective ways to engage an audience in a very saturated advertising market. This is an area where the audience is far more receptive and still willing to pay attention. In this post, we’ve gathered 40 hilarious and really creative ads for your enjoyment…"
- Holger Eilhard
from Bookmarklet
If Yahoo was about fun you'd be working on getting Flickr wired into rssCloud for release at the end of the month. Seriously -- it could be done. And sheeez would it be fun. Let's go, what's Carol's number. I'll buy lunch.
- Dave Winer
This is what my pug Eddy says all the time..although he never uses colloquialisms such as "Dudes".
- Melanie Reed
Apparently, Carol's home sick today. It's been going around; I had four guys out this week so far. But I'll definitely raise it with her the next time we chat.
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
This thing looks good. Better than the N97, with this type of touchscreen. But I wonder how the UI experience is. I didn't find that very good on the N97.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Most people prefer reading documents on paper over reading on a computer screen. Especially anything longer than a blog post is more easily read from good old paper. I believe this has something to do with the position of your head, but also the fact that you’re basically looking right into a lit screen for [...]
Ross and Dan made this video to illustrate the advanced technology we use behind the scenes at FriendFeed. (Ross and Dan, you are amazing - I can't believe how awesome this thing turned out)
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
How very creative. This is very fluid and cool.
- Louis Gray
OK, not exactly what I was expecting, but very cool.
- Kevin Arth
Anyone have the video somewhere other than Youtube? it's banned here in Turkey and I can't wait until we get home (next month) to watch it!!
- Chris Myles
Bret, this video should be titled: A Love Song for FriendFeed ! Great vid (and music) !
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
This is superb. I just showed it to my 5 year old son who enjoys Lego and has already taken some great photos, including one or two of his toys. So now he has the seed of the idea that, in time, he could take multiple stills and put them together to make moving pictures. Thank you very much for posting it and giving me and him that opportunity. Maybe, he might use FriendFeed one day too!
- John W Lewis
I think they need to make a full stop-motion version of the Matrix in legos. Now THAT would be awesome. I wonder what bullet-time looks like in LEGO?
- Bret Taylor
i'd pay to see the stop animation lego matrix, but not the sequels
- patrick
"Equipment Generously Provided By Casey Muller" - hahaha!! THIS IS AWESOMESAUCE!!! I love the creative energy and vibe in this video... LOTS of work went into that one! Thanks guys!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Genius, how much time did that all take?
- Wayne Hornsey
Chris Myles: if you want ot - DM me an address and I'll mail you a copy.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!? Type the Contra code (Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, b, a) once you reach the destination of this link and see what happens... TOO COOL! (BONUS WARP ZONE!!! Go to http://buysellads.com and enter the same code. WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?) - http://www.southwest.com/flight...
WHAT!?!? Watch what happens on this site when you punch in the code... http://buysellads.com/ A hippo shits on the homepage. I kid you not. RANDOOOOOM!!!
- Brad Williamson
It's even better when you do it on the iPhone.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Yeah, I believe my difficutly has something with my bookmark toolbar interfering. The bookmark sidebar pops up when I do the last B in the code, and that seems to stop whatever else should happen.
- Mark "Godt Nyt Ǻr"
I still can't get over the http://buysellads.com warp zone. Really, who on Earth would program a hippo to shit all over their homepage!? I just don't get it! But I LOVE IT!!!
- Brad Williamson
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."
I just went back to it today after a couple weeks hiatus.
- Bryan R. Adams
I just wish they had a web service or something that worked with Safari
- Jesse Stay
Coach: I've been using it for a while. Not late at all. It's just that this new version finally nailed it for me and got me excited. Why? It shows friends. That's the main thing I liked about Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
Thank you Robert @Jesse a few people have been able to get an experimental feedly for safari running (see http://blog.feedly.com/2009... ) Andre: I expect us to push out a Chrome version out in October.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I've said it before and I'll say it again; Google should buy feedly! It's my favorite app by far.
- Michael Fidler
@Michael: We would actually prefer to see Google Reader become a platform like twitter and feedly be one of the clients built in that ecosystem. For RSS to go mainstream, you are going to need a lot of different niche experiences to emerge.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Happy to hear feedly works for you, does Firefox? It runs_slowly_for_me...
- David Libby
The thing is utterly incomprehensible.
- Dominic Jones
Yeah. Feedly has been my homepage for a few months. Love it to death.
- Quasar
Feedly is fantastic. Not sure why more people aren't using it. I'd love to hear what the guys on TWIG think of it in particular.
- invariant - farewell FF
I just installed feedly last night and have just started using it. I'm looking forward to putting it through it's paces tonight. Looks very slick.
- Aaron Schaub
from iPod
Feedly is one of my fave apps. Hardly look at google reader since I started using Feedly and so easy to cross post too!
- Ange Recchia/angesbiz
Edwin: definitely looking forward to it.
- motownmutt
I seem to get the Bad Feed error on every feed listing on the "featured sources" list. The main things work OK, but the side bar listings routinely give be feed errors.
- Keith Rowland
I am going to have to give this thing a try.
- Vadim Lavrusik
Feedly for Chrome, please? Pretty please?
- Craig Eddy
yay I can't wait to see it in Oct for Chrome!
- metalerik
@Keith. Yes. There was an encoding regression in a patch we pushed out this afternoon. This problem has been fixed in 2.x.014 and everything should be working correctly next time you restart firefox. Sorry for the inconvenience.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I was using Feedly a while ago and went back to Google Reader. It was just too painful to keep up with all my feeds.
- Jody Fanning
from twhirl
@feedly has completely taken over my use of google reader...
- Andy Bryant
Love, feedly, looking forward to trying the Safari version
- Kim Landwehr
from BuddyFeed
yeah feedly is great, but try the greasemonkey plugins for reader. i like enhanced black. when its late and dark and i just want to scan the internets its perfect on the eyes
- Robert Higgins
Feedly is severely broken for me. I can't get it to show all on the latest tab. The drop down that works on other tabs does nothing there.
- Otto
Sorry if this question is a rookie mistake, but pros/cons GoogleReader vs Feedly? THANKS.
- Jimmy Watson
Insight on the obesity epidemic from a Disneyland ride. Quote: "When I last rode the [Small World] ride, it had just reopened after having been closed for almost a year for renovations. I asked one of the attendants what had changed, hoping for an de-inane-ation of the ride. The guy told me it hadn’t changed at all; they had just made the boats a little bigger and deepened the channel. Then he told me it was because the guests of the park had become so much larger than when the ride went in in the 60s and were causing the boats to bottom out."
- Andre P. Siregar
from Bookmarklet
Crikey Dave, I think that's the first post of yours I've 100% agreed with in ages :)
- Ian Betteridge
Ian -- I've noticed we're agreeing more and more. Something weird is going on. :-)
- Dave Winer
we have a rule .. at the firehall ,, never call someone an a--hole ... until they prove it too you ..
- johnpiercy
I wish this could fit on a bumper sticker, I'd put one on each of my vehicles (and I hate bumper stickers!). Well said Dave.
- jcunwired
It was my understanding that the Obama Hitler signs were from the LaRouche PAC folks
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Dave, if we carry on agreeing it will be like matter and anti-matter meeting - could be the end of the universe! Let's find something to disagree on, just to keep everyone safe ;)
- Ian Betteridge
I'd like to see the ability to comment on someones else comment, instead of doing the @ thing, why not have a button after the persons name (once they made a comment) that says 'reply' and it turns into a threaded like thingy. Something like what DISQUS does with they're reply system (below)
I don't. It won't be realtime anymore. And it would break the conversation into parallel discussions :(
- Jérôme Flipo
i'd like to see replies to comments, with each comment still in 1 chronological thread. similar to how forum quoting works
- Mike Chelen
I'd like to have a dropdown menu from the comment icon with several options including 'reply'. Then have a 'My Replies' page to view them all that are posted to me.
- Kol Tregaskes
I'd like to see that, too. the comment system we use on FF now seems a little bit of mass if one topic have too many comments.
- yagami
love the way it is now, and would also like additional comment reply options such Kol mentions
- Mike Chelen
But, I would like to see a formalized reply system. Heck, I would even be happy with @replies, using the FriendFeed username like twitter dows. That way, anyone who starts a comment with @jworthington, I could not only see it on a Mentions page but it would be highlighted in some way live on the page, maybe using a light yellow background or some type of font adjustment. Threaded conversations don't work in realtime. They may work in some static, after the fact reading but for real time conversations, no.
- Johnny Worthington
Let's divide this request into two components: new functionality (threaded or multi-tier comment tree), and implementation (special button or dropdown menu to invoke comment threading). Ad #1: I don't know much about FFeeders intentions, but it looks pretty clear-cut to me that hierarchical comments never have been on the agendum. With luck it'll stay this way [and some of us know why,...
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- ianf ⌘
To those who don't think threaded conversations work in realtime, don't forget that FF is not real time for many users. I live in Australia but most of the conversations I have here are with people from the US. They're not often realtime and as such it can be difficult to keep track of multiple threads in a conversation when there is no easy way to see who is replying to whom, and when.
- Mark
@ianf I think your suggestion of hypertextual links would be a good compromise. There should also be a link added to the comment being responded to so that one can jump directly to the response, as well as being able to click on a link in the response to be able to jump back up to the comment being responded to.
- Mark
@Mark, I second your suggestion. The "Reply" button should, IMO, immediately opens a new comment textbox prefixed with "@someone" as a hyperlink. The "@someone" hyperlink might be outside the textbox (to prevent accidental edit/deletion), and when the "Post" button is clicked, that hyperlink will be clickable (duh), pointing directly to the Comment that's being replied.
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