Amit: Sorry, but this something I really believe is WRONG (as do a bunch of people on FF) and it is important we get as many people to see this as possible...please DIGG it and try to get everyone to see it. Thanks. - Justin Korn
This was most likely one of those things where they were freaking out about terrorists and what not. But at any rate, most places like that have the right to refuse anyone for any reason. - Nathan Allen Pinard
Justin, I 100% agree, that's why I logged in to digg to vote, which is not something I do very often. Still half my FF front page is about this it :o) - Amit Morson
Nathan, I agree that any business has the right to refuse anyone. However, the way the patron was treated and, how it was handled is what has people riled up. As a business owner, you might refuse anyone you want but, don't be surprised if your public doesn't like your practices. - Candace Holly
Nathan: Like Candace said, it has nothing to do with SFMOMA refusing Thomas...it's the way it was handled. It's ridiculous and quite frankly, moronic. If this Simon guy had an issue (due to business) he could have talked to Thomas in a civilized way. Thomas is a reasonable guy and would have talked with the guy had he offered to, but that was not the case. - Justin Korn
As a amateur photographer that uses a DSLR, I always carry a copy of http://www.krages.com/phoright... Many people are ignorant about the rights of a person to use a camera. As the museum's own website allows use of photography, I think hawke should contact the Museum's director and go over this person's head. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Pretty outlandish and intriguing idea. It's kind of amazing to see the caliber of people working on this and think through the practical approach to making it happen. Very cool. - Todd McKinney
Makes your pdfs into signatures of half 8.5/11 sheets. Nice idea if you want to take something with you to read where you won't have a computer handy. - Lindsay Donaghe
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You know, one thing I've noticed in his videos is that he always looks like he just had a good cry. He seems like a very sad person. - Mark Trapp
this feldman guy reminds me of a 2-year-old throwing a temper tantrum! He'll say or do anything to get a little attention. It's sad really. I kinda feel sorry for the guy! (Is that wrong?) - Jasmin Smith
Wow - I guess he's blocked me too maybe - that link doesn't go anywhere. - Tad - the Meme Maker
he runs with a pack, jackals run in packs - Jay Tannenbaum
he sure likes to mess with people - but I can never figure out if he just does it for the fun of it or if he really means what he says... or if it's a mix of the two... - Frederic
Tad, you can just search for it under the everyone tab -- blocking isn`t a perfect system it seems. - Shey
You're very compassionate Jasmin. But this guy seems like he'd turn that on you, so I'd save it. - JMakesAwesomeSauce
I see occasional glimpses of hiim here, but I try to stay away. I don't wanna get any a$$hole on me. Ewww...icky - Rah™
Searching everyone is how I keep track of Mr Mango/11 cuz I blocked him for sanity's sake. - Jay Tannenbaum
Oh man, he is becoming more and more irrelevant every day. He seems to be grasping at straws trying to get attention. - Mike Doeff
Loren (1938 media) has a made a huge hobby of poking fun at lots of people, not only verbally, in print and via puppet parodies, which have strong bully-like similarities. In that link, he stated tonight that, "All this shit is a hobby for me. I have a billionaire patron of the arts behind me, he howls at this shit." So this is what gives him his thrills - obviously, at the expense of others. I enjoy a good joke, but am concerned he sometimes takes this "shit" too far. - Susan Beebe
Im not sure which is more annoying , LF or Igor the troll - johnpiercy
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I avoid engaging the dude. There's nothing you can say that will stop him. The post becomes theater for him. - Hutch Carpenter
@Frederic - My concern is that he's creating a following of people who share hateful, prejudicial, and/or racist beliefs -- so whether he shares these beliefs himself is almost irrelevant -- because as soon as he barks out his filth, his mangy puppies came a-barking too! - Jasmin Smith
Maybe one day they'll have a reality series on being post-meltdown Loren Feldman. He was something else before, but he seems to be getting worse, bragging about how great he is and selecting a new target to attack every week. Here's an excellent example of net negativity that didn't hide behind the anonymity Scoble despises. Sad, but telling that Feldman blasts LG and then refuses the offer to have a conversation with him. I would have thought the best videomakers would welcome the opportunity for rational discourse...actually, that's still what I think. - MiniMage LightBlueRanger
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@Hutch Bingo. He's sitting back and laughing at this entire thing, and he will continue to laugh as long as the well meaning and well intentioned continue to build the world that he's trying to prove out. He wants a reaction, and a particular one at that. His particular form of "art" requires everyone to play along. You can't build a collage with only one picture. - Steve Spalding
Steve: it isn't about him or trying to convince him that he's a sad person. It's about discussing with others about the type of behavior he exhibits. He can get a good laugh, but the real winners out of speaking out when you see a wrong in the world are the people who agree with you. If you that which you find morally repugnant, you tacitly consent to its perpetuation. By saying, "this is wrong, regardless of who says it" you make a statement to others: one that requires an active acceptance or denial. It gets everything out in the open. - Mark Trapp
Check his time line. He tried to spark a fight with Louis twice in the last two days -- it didn't catch the first time, it did the second. Why go after a nice guy like Louis? He probably doesn't care for him but more importantly our reactions prove out his thesis. Without us playing the game his theater of the absurd falls apart and where's the fun in that? - Steve Spalding
You make it more about him when you call the play-by-play of his trolling, Steve. Your analysis is the problem. You make a sad individual with nothing else to do into a masterful genius. People flipping out about what he's saying isn't what he's after: that's the boring part. He's looking for validation of what a smart little boy he is: which is what you are providing perfectly. - Mark Trapp
Mark, I think you`re on to something there. - Shey
I heard a rumor that lf is supported by his parents and lives in the room down. Could it be true? He was also a waiter for a long time. - Jay Tannenbaum
I agree with you Mark but what about manufactured evil? Loren is building up a straw dog for us to smash to pieces. He wants us to hate him and he's doing a fine job of it. In a lot of ways it reminds me of why Stephen Colbert has two Wikipedia profiles. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...) No I am not comparing Loren to SC. - Steve Spalding
He's often a contradiction of himself, so I gave up quickly. I'm surprised the loony bin hasn't yet realized he escaped. - JodyUnwired
@jasmin - hadn't thought about it quite like that, but I totally agree! @Steve - yeah - there is a fine line between criticizing Loren and giving him the attention he wants (or maybe there really is not line and all he wants is attention and we give it to him). I have actually defended Loren quite a bit for his escapades in the past because I think he has the right to say whatever he wants to - but really - why pick on Louis? - Frederic
Mark you might be right. It could be a big Troll. That's why I hate stepping into these things. What I do notice is that a lot of productive cycles are being wasted on what feels to be cancer. - Steve Spalding
Maybe it's for new material. Just like he planned out his own copycat Imusization, he is faking a meltdown and will (pretend to) document a rise from his own ashes. Or maybe I have an overactive imagination. - MiniMage LightBlueRanger
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No, Steve: read what he writes. He does not care about the people who hate him. His defense for why he does what he does: his friends agree with him and think he's a genius. Validating him by creating some marionette masterwork is what he wants. The troll looks for validation of what he does; that he's somehow better than all these other stupid people and smart people know that he is a genius because they tell him. He wants fans. You're giving him way too much credit and dehumanizing his intentions. - Mark Trapp
Steve, I speculate there are a few components to this. 1.) Scoble praises Louis which was naturally going to make him a target sooner or later 2.) I don't think Loren has found Mona yet 3.) to your point of wasted productive cycles, Loren feels exactly the same about analysis of twitter followers vs followees, etc. And there's a grain of truth there to be sure. - Robert Seidman
Michael: Art? Craft maybe. But maybe not even craft. - Jay Tannenbaum
You know, I think it's more interesting to see that Jason Calacanis liked Loren's comment. Says more about him than Loren, really. - Mark Trapp
It is likely a combination of the two. I think he's baiting and looking for someone to bite (new material, more interesting stuff for him to rant about). You're right, he wants people to buy into his shtick -- who doesn't? Where does that leave us? - Steve Spalding
Shocking but I have now hidden an actual person in addition to Igor. Quite sad actually. :( - Mathew A. Koeneker
Steve, it leaves us talking about his behavior. That stuff like this isn't acceptable to a lot of people. It let's us discuss how people's actions define who they are, and what is morally repugnant. It's a valuable conversation to have. - Mark Trapp
Oh, he blocked you too? I guess my humor was too much for him. Or, he needed his diaper changed. - Outsanity
Mark, from what I know of the situation (limited) Loren made lots of videos making fun of Jason initially, but Jason took it well, I guess Jason has an attitude of a certain amount of theater is just "show business". - Robert Seidman
I think this is the only part we really diverge. Loren is one man playing with a bully-pulpit that reaches, well, not that far. The value of a conversation like this (to me at least) is in the question -- how should we deal with the very real problems of ageism/sexism/racism/classism/bla bla bla that he is indirectly bringing up. Focusing so narrowly on his latest antics obfuscates that. I think that's the part that really worries me. - Steve Spalding
Steve you speak of something that isn't Loren's fault though: human nature. Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan -- which get more press, them or classism? You should be much more worried about those 3 than Loren...if it's something you were wanting to worry about. - Robert Seidman
"So we're trying something new: we're going to list some of the ideas we've been waiting to see, but only describe them in general terms. It may be that recipes for ideas are the most useful form anyway, because imaginative people will take them in directions we didn't anticipate." - Paul Buchheit
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Good ideas, mostly. Of course, as always, the devil is in the details (and to some extent, I think that's the point). - Paul Buchheit
interesting list, surprised to see photo/video sharing sites on there. - Adam Kazwell
From pg's comment "Most people who read that one [search engine that concentrates on design] will think "huh?" But if someone reads it and thinks "Damn, how did he hear about what we're working on?" that's someone we'd really love to hear from." - seman
"More open alternatives to Wikipedia." Wonder whatever happened to Google Knol... - Philipp Lenssen
They should start FF rooms for each of these. I'd contribute to a few. - Amir Gharaat
I think most of these are *great* ideas. This post isn't food for thought, it's a banquet :-) - Karim
Seems a little like bait? Some of the ideas are excellent reading and should be interesting to a few thinking about 'what they can do better'. Some of the other mentions (and wording in particular) leads me to wonder why go public with the list. - Charlie Anzman
Related problem: Using your inbox as a to-do list. The solution is probably to acknowledge this rather than prevent it. --- :-) - Kishore Balakrishnan
Jesus, this single page has more original content and ideas than the last 1000 ff and blog posts I read. Inspiring. - John Murray
AWESOME idea, thanks for sharing Paul... this is going to be fun to watch! - Susan Beebe
Haha i posted thast too. Although Paul is most more visible on FF, of course. - Akshay Dodeja
did any of the y combinator startup go big ? perhaps an ignorant question... a couple of them i know of are scribd.com, and a search engine for mechanical parts.. forgot the name. - Krishna Gade
Interesting: "Advertising could be made much better if it tried to please its audience, instead of treating them like victims who deserve x amount of abuse in return for whatever free site they're getting. ... What we have now is basically print and TV advertising translated to the web. " How does TV advertising treat its audience better than web advertising? - Constantinos Michael
TV advertising is generally more entertaining than web advertising. - Ajay Kapal
@ Peter yeah... I was talking about octopart thanks for the link. - Krishna Gade
@ Ryan, what is it ? do you have something outside to try ? - Krishna Gade
Like Lisa. I've stopped doing what Scoble says and now obey Louis Gray. Ok, well, maybe I haven't stopped doing what Scoble says. - MiniMage LightBlueRanger
It is strange that largest gainers are big brands. Financial Times +43??? This might be the result of Gabe’s efforts to make Techmeme mainstream - Kerem Ozkan
been subscribed for sometime to Ryan - Steven Hodson
@MiniMage: Heh. If Robert Scoble ever told me to do something as emphatically as LG just did, I would probably do that too. :-) - Lisa L. Seifert
I've made a career out of ignoring Louis. Now I'm not sure what to do since I waas already subscribed to Ryan's blog. Do I remove it from my reader? Do I leave it and remain smug that I was already reading his blog before Louis told people to? Decisions... decisions... - Cyndy
For someone who so openly dislikes FriendFeed, you sure are here a lot, Cyndy. And in other news, Profy is on the Techmeme Leaderboard now. :-) - Louis Gray
It's the famewhoring, Louis. I'm lobbying to be a "recommended" person and be the first woman to be up there. ;) And thank you for letting me know. I'd have blinked and missed it. :) - Cyndy
This is a good thing! The fact that the leaderboard keeps changing shows that Techmeme is staying up-to-date for the most part. - Jesse Stay
@Louis, thanks for sharing the news, I actually did not even bother to see if Profy was there at all since it is not exactly something I could ever believe in. But seeing the 99th place made me laugh until I cried here :) But at least we have made it there and now we have where to grow. - Svetlana Gladkova
Svetlana, we're at 99 now? It was 100 when Louis posted. I'll send you the hilarious screencap I did with bright green arrow. ;) - Cyndy
Cyndy, I don't really know what it means but we are at 98 already :) Moving pretty fast :) - Svetlana Gladkova
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So exactly who has been saying that this is meant to compete with Second Life? It's possible that there are people in the world besides Californians you know? - Adewale Oshineye
It's fun. Certainly not as full-featured as SL, and certainly less confusing. I played with it for a few hours and enjoyed myself. Will I use it regularly? probbaly not, as virtual environments are typically not my thing, but still fun to play around with. - Douglas E. Welch
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I think you've got a good point on this one. I fear that as governments and big media get more involved, there will be a continuing tendency to move further from the web as it was designed. - Todd McKinney
“A unique Friendfeed feature would be: A visual map that shows how ideas/links/submissions are spread from one person to another via 'like'. This would show influencers, networks, and communities of interest”
firstly , time stamps are needed, secondly 'likes on multiple same URI could be difficult. I may Like an entry from a friend's del.ious entry or maybe from another person who actually posts the URI on FF. How can this mapped out ? A visual map normally has one start point/seed and then spawns outwards to various nodes and then branches even more. - Peter Dawson
Exactly how do you determine who or what an influencer is? This is less obvious than it appears. I've seen "big names" retweet ideas of someone with a lower social profile. The original idea came from person A but person B has a larger social network. So, who is the influencer here, the person who came up with the idea or the person who told all of their friends? If it is person B, doesn't that discount the substantial influence person A had on them? You're privileging social capital over creative capital. - Liz
Chris: good point. But my curious side really want to know how all this stuff is really happening! - Susan Beebe
I like the idea of charting how information moves virally to see who the influencers are. Hopefully, this would let you see who infuences the so called "elite", "a-lister", "agent-of-change". - Mathew A. Koeneker
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Ohhh, that would be awesome. I'd love to sit back and watch an idea spread. - Summer
Mathew, all these ""elite", "a-lister", "agent-of-change" are actually pretty mch just with large Social capital. not the creative capital ( +3 goes to Liz !!). This AM, I saw a lot of chatter on Lumosity, to me this was wickedly old in terms of tech tech. http://friendfeed.com/e/8f63f3... however, when looking back onto FF you will find Leo Laporte posting it and many peeps then repurposing that twit/post via many methods, digg, rooms etc. - Peter Dawson
@spragued please no more brands and managers for them - silpol
To respond to those: The influencer could start at the source node (creative capital) as well as those who are sneezers (spread to many others) it can serve the purpose of both. - Jeremiah Owyang
It could look like Digg's swarm ... that would be pretty cool - David Weiner
Photo by Pops - Story AJC "Fifteen year old James Adams of Acworth. James was the victim of meningitis as an infant that resulted in amputation of all four limbs.
I won't do the Peachtree and I've got all my fingers and toes. James doesn't have any and yet he's on the course and on a borrowed wheelchair to boot. Of all the athletes that do the Peachtree, its the ones in the wheelchairs that impress me the most. These people are amazing and this young man in particular!" - Russellreno
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That's one of the funniest things I've ever read :P - Sean Dunn
This is hilarious. Probably could be more obtuse (and a lot longer) to get the full effect. - Todd McKinney
Whoever controls the ability to exert veiled mind-control through pontification controls the strategic high-ground of meme distribution. That is why there is a dangerous nexus of power between TinyURL and Steve Gillmor. - Elliott Ng
When I saw the title, I was grumpily thinking, oh no, not another [x] is better than [y] piece o' crap... but then I realized it was a parody and quite an entertaining one at that. Still, a little *too* intelligible. Work on making it more pompously obscure, please :) - Adam Lasnik
Its like comparing IceCream and Sugar. They both are sweet but serve very different purpose. - Vic Podcaster
On second thought, Friendfeed is piggyback riding on Twitter - while it is not true other way round. - Vic Podcaster
Vic, this is Steve Gillmor we're talking about, it's like comparing rice cakes to Jimmy Carter :-) - Duncan Riley
However. I discover using Friendfees INSTEAD of Twitter. - Ryo
How to improve the writing style in one word: shrooms. - jeezler
@Vic While that may have been true initially, I think that Friendfeed is now capable of continuing to thrive even if twitter were to die. Friendfeed "share something" messages are, in essence, tweets after all. I've certainly seen people using them in that way, at least. The only reason I still use twitter at all is because I like to aggregate each day's tweets at my blog, like a digital diary. I haven't been able to replicate that functionality for friendfeed just yet, without catching all the other things in my feed. Oh errr and sorry for posting such a serious comment about a satirical post...I couldn't help it ;-) - David Adam
With Twitter i keep thinking someone has SMSed me. Then I find it's just some random twitter contact of mine ;-) - william stewart
Go Grrlll. Great job Corvida! "SheGeeks made its first headline on Techmeme" Should we help you with the "One million buckaroos!"? It's only 1/3 cent for each person in the US. Can we use FriendFeed to take up a collection? Unfortunately, PayPal doesn't do 1/3 cent. :-( - Mitchell Tsai
If John McCain says "awesomesauce," we'll know that word has officially jumped the shark. - Ontario Emperor
@Tsai Ha! If you'd like to start the donations I don't have a problem with that lol @Ontario I'll flip out and tell him he owes me royalties :P I need to copyright that word. - Corvida
