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More countries for iPhone
Nicola Codipietro, Thomas Peter, Benjamin Junior and 5 other people liked this
6 countries today - goal 12 countries, strech goal 25
- MG Siegler
how'd we do
- MG Siegler
hey it's like risk :)
- MG Siegler
It's a small world playing
- MG Siegler
LOTS of countries
- MG Siegler
people clapping along to song
- MG Siegler
yes Latvia!
- MG Siegler
is that the annoying small world song?
- Frederic
I can has iPhone nao?
- Andre Heinrichs
35 and counting
- MG Siegler
44
- MG Siegler
50
- MG Siegler
Lalala. Something to hear...
- Andre Heinrichs
everywhere?
- Frederic
so many african countries
- MG Siegler
can anyone see if Colombia is in the list?
- felix
cheers for india australia
- MG Siegler
Please, people don't scream that loud.
- Andre Heinrichs
70 countries - huge
- MG Siegler
@felix - I've already seen a bunch in Colombia :)
- Frederic
I'm SOO waiting for September when this baby launches in India!
- Parth Awasthi
from twhirl
Did I hear 70 countries?
- Andre Heinrichs
@Frederic, ahh nice! When I went last year wasn't so good... Glad it'll be better next time! Hopefully AT&T makes some deals with them. :)
- felix
Crap, not yet in Israel... At least not here: http://www.apple.com/iphone...
- Eitan Burcat
@Subhasish Vodafone's press statement a couple of months back was generic w.r.t. SE Asia which was assumed to include India. Bharati made an official press release with Tim Cook that they will be launching in India in partnership. What puzzles me is the speeds that they will be able to support on their networks. popular high speed 3G technologies are CDMA based, UMTS & HSDPA: http://www.apple.com/pr... Though this was in the print edition of yesterdays BS, I can't find it online.
- Parth Awasthi
Considering that I am a very frequent user even with crappy GPRS speeds on my crummy (for browsing) SE; I will appreciate anything that is even trivially better.
- Parth Awasthi
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PublicMediaCamp Field guide - http://publicmediacamp.org/2009...
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This guide has been prepared in order to provide potential PublicMediaCamp (sometimes called PubCamp for short) organizers with a reference toolkit for creating their own local PubCamp. Please keep in mind that these insights are not edicts, but are recommendations based on our past experience creating unconferences, and from our experience in creating the 2009 national PubCamp in DC. First some quick links then the guide:
- Amy Gahran
jeffjarvis: The new This Week in Google is up: It's (almost) all about Wave: http://twit.tv/twig10 - http://twitter.com/jeffjar...
Jannifer @wordsforliving, Alex Kapranoff, Daniel Rowley and 3 other people liked this
just finished it - an excellent discussion
- Todd Mundt
Portland, Oregon, joins the ranks of the open cities, officially embracing open data and open source - http://siliconflorist.com/2009...
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Financial Times - A copyright black hole swallows our culture - http://www.ft.com/cms...
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"I would prefer us to fix copyright law so these issues disappear. But if we cannot do that, we need a second-best solution. Google’s escape module has flaws, lots of them, but it is better than staying in the black hole."
- Matt Cutts
from Bookmarklet
Radio Roundabout - http://www.mattdeegan.com/2009...
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Matt reckons Bob Shennan wants to make Radio 2's drive show be dull and public service. Matt is wrong. ;)
- James Cridland
Secret Weapon for Repealing Prop 8: Maine | NBC San Diego - http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news...
sirius black, Todd Mundt, Rob Michael (Atmos Trio) and 3 other people liked this
"But opponents are waging a campaign to eliminate the right to marry in Maine, and to eliminate rights like hospital visitation and death benefits for gay firefighters in Washington. These two battles could prove instrumental in California's upcoming battle to repeal Prop 8. The Maine campaign has shown care in learning from the victories and mistakes of the Prop 8 campaign. This week, they released two television ads: one features a military man talking about equality for his daughter; the other highlights the normalcy of a family with two moms. The second ad is a notable departure from the Prop 8 strategy, which rendered gay couples almost entirely invisible in TV ads. But the ads also borrow from a strategy that won support from Californians: these ads feature honest testimony from locals. In contrast, the anti-marriage campaign was recently caught paying actors to pose as concerned citizens."
- Jason Toney
from Bookmarklet
Certainly puts the lie to the attempt to claim it was all about "preserving marriage".
- Jack&Cleo
Facebook Improves It Share Functionality; Still Not As Good As FriendFeed’s - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Would this stand up in court? – The Next Web - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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"This has to be the best End User Licensing Agreement ever. Would it stand up in court? We doubt it, but you can’t blame the makers of Android app ‘Voice Caller ID’ for for trying."
- Martin Bryant
from Bookmarklet
Brilliant. Short sweet and simple. Should be allowed to stand up in court to be fair... but cest la vie heh.
- MoH
That's pretty much what all software EULAs say
- LANjackal
Excellent, we will use it for our own EULAs ahahah
- Jacque
AP to crack down on article linking with impossible vaporware - http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
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related: Associated rePress, a tumblelog I just created in five minutes using the AP's own RSS feeds [via]
- Andy Baio
I can picture the conversation going on at APHQ: "The fringe media seems to be saying that the content protection system you've pitched to us is impossible." "What do you expect them to say? They're worried that you're going to monetize content and leave them in the dust!" "So you're saying they're bluffing because they're scared and not as smart as us?" "Exactly. Now if you could please finish writing the zeroes on that check..."
- Kevin Fox
Tron Legacy trailer - http://www.flynnlives.com/media...
David Bittencourt and Todd Mundt liked this
directed by the guy who did iSpec; I like the little viral site, with imaginary Space Paranoids machine
- Andy Baio
I <3 Seattle!
Steven Perez, Susan Beebe, The original Kevin and 55 other people liked this
From the top of Queen Anne hill right? I know that view. :)
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
sigh, places i'll never get too cause the flight is too damn long, :o
- chaz2b
You know you wanna come here for Gnomesex.
- Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
I'd love to visit sometime. I like the space needle. ha. Probably because I'm from Toronto and we have the CN Tower. They just add so much to the skyline...
- Josh McConnell
Gnomesex? Uh did the focus change?
- Anika
Great pic! I've never been.
- BEX
whats this about midget porn?
- Geoff Schultz {TF}
Anika: Chris is single again and is trolling for sex. Or something.
- Robert Scoble
...with midgets
- Geoff Schultz {TF}
See Robert, I wasn't trying to go there. I was hoping it was a simple typo. LOL
- Anika
Anika: nothing with Chris is simple. :-)
- Robert Scoble
except his lust for gnomesex, thats pretty cut and dry.
- Geoff Schultz {TF}
Damn iPhone. Always tries to spell Gnomedex as Gnomesex. Two different conferences, really.
- Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
I should definitely check out Gnomedex... to compare the two, ya know?
- Tim Hoeck
Sure, blame the iPhone. *looks for "from iPhone" tag* =)
- Anika
You know, as a Little Person, I object to these jokes about midget porn. :-P (*sits in a corner in a huff*)
- Ladyepiphanybug
(* wants to know what the hell is so wrong with any variety of Little Person sex, anyway. The very BEST things come in small packages! *)
- Ladyepiphanybug
Chris, that background was just photoshopped in and you know it! Think you can get away with that when another geek (me) knows what's up...(jk) ;P Srsly though, <3 that pic! :D
- Taylor Marek
The Needle and The Geek!
- Doug Finch
That's by my house! Is that Kerry park?
- Brandon Paddock
You can't beat Summer here in Seattle. See beautiful Mt. Rainier on the right?
- Eric Myers
nice photo
- Bruno Barenghi
he is outside! wow!
- Alpha Computing
It's such a nice day here in Seattle today, too.
- Rochelle
I will live there one day, when I get out of this country (UK)
- Ollie Mallard
Kerry Park, right? It's probably the best view in Seattle on a clear summer day (Mt. Rainier is in the picture too).
- Nikhil Dandekar
This is my favorite picture taken from pretty much the same spot - http://www.twitpic.com/axcnj
- Eric Myers
Chris: Did the whole Gnomesex idea come along when you punched Gnomedex into your iPhone and it spellchecked it?
- wiredgnome
The Laverne and Shirley theme song pops in my head whenever I see this
- Rodfather
Me, too!!!
- Nakachi
the gnome guy is getting oooolder...
- 我是真砂！
#EvernoteTip I hold all the PDFs of my manuals on Evernote. They use to sit on my computer and frequently get lost. NO MORE! - http://twitter.com/riotrya...
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Google should offer a SecurID (or similar) option on all accounts, and as a domain policy on apps-for-your-domain. I would definitely pay to get this.
Umakanthan Chandran, Brian Kenyon, Angus Burton and 122 other people liked this
E-trade offers them for $25 https://us.etrade.com/e.... The way it works is that this keychain thing spits out a new number every minute, and you include that number with your password at login. Even if someone gets your password (due to a keylogger or the like), it will quickly be invalid.
- Paul Buchheit
Paypal offers them for 5$
- John Blanton
Wells Fargo sent me one for a business account (free with the package).
- Michael Herf
Blizzard (Warcraft etc.) offers them for $6.50 (except they're sold out currently -- http://www.blizzard.com/store...), or free as an app on the iPhone.
- Stephen Mack
Blizzard almost never has them in stock. Whenever they get a batch they sell out in a few hours. Apparently they work. lol
- <3Heather<3
I do not know how reliable they are now but a few years ago, the quartz in this would get out of sync for a non trivial percentage of users, which resulted in a lot of customer support issues.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
bought one for the hubby's warcraft account. he hasn't been hacked since. (nearly once every couple weeks prior to that)
- Nathalie
What would keep someone from writing this as an iPhone/Android app?
- Matt Cutts
It would need to hook into the Google auth system Matt. (or automatically change my password every minute, which would probably trigger some abuse system inside google)
- Paul Buchheit
Matt: Nothing, as demonstrated by Blizzard's implementation of it as a free iPhone app already. :)
- Stephen Mack
I wish this could end phishing, but it can't, because "it will quickly be invalid" doesn't help much if it's used to generate a session token the very moment it's entered. Perhaps the key should ask you what OS/browser you're using, how recently you logged in on that machine, etc. -- facts known to Google and associated with your browser session -- and generate different numbers depending on your answers. Tricky business.
- Daniel Dulitz
It doesn't solve all problems Daniel, but it does solve some. The twitter hack for example was apparently due to a guessed password or something (though I'm not up-to-date on the news, so maybe that's no longer the story).
- Paul Buchheit
Frankly, I want an RFID-like chip in my cell phone + ubiquitous RFID readers. The cell phone would also require you to type a password or PIN, so it's something you have + something you know. And there's a fake PIN that looks like it worked but causes a lockdown behind the scenes, so if you get mugged you tell people the PIN is 5555 when your PIN is really 2343.
- Matt Cutts
Paul, it's just a lot easier to make this happen if it solves the _biggest_ problem. :-)
- Daniel Dulitz
I think the biggest problem is that people want absolute convenience and absolute security. I have never had any personal information stolen or accounts hacked. It might be because I'm a boring person not worth stealing from, but it could also be that I don't put information all over the place. I only use my phone to make calls, I only download from well known sites, I don't allow porn...
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- <3Heather<3
I disagree with that reasoning Daniel. The phishing problem is real, but today's Twitter problem for example does not appear to have been phishing related, and probably would have been prevented by a device such as this -- is that not sufficient evidence that this solvable problem is worth solving? It also prevents people from using bad passwords, using the same password on multiple accounts, etc, which is very useful in the apps-for-your-domain context.
- Paul Buchheit
As soon as PayPal offered theirs I bought it immediately and like many others, I'm in line to get one for our two WoW accounts. I loved these as a Systems Admin where we required them to get past the firewalls if you were a remote worker.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
+1 Paul, I've been a SecureID user many years at work, and with ETrade, so I've got two, so far, but it makes you wonder if every account you used required SecureID, you'll eventually need a REALLY BIG keychain. ;)
- .LAG liked that
There is no reason why the same SecureID fob can't be used with more than one site.
- jho
Matt Cutts: BlackBerry (maybe only BES) has had "password under duress" for a while. When enabled you swap the first and last characters of your handset password, it unlocks but also triggers admin side alerts. Quite cool, but I suspect the only people that use it will be the military :)
- Alex Lomas
jh: yeah, RSA should probably offer this as a service; get one SecurID from them, and you can register it with any site that supports it.
- Tudor Bosman
Paul, no, I don't think the fact that some hacks would be prevented by a method is sufficient reason to implement that method. Apps has supported SAML for quite a while, see http://code.google.com/apis... , so Apps admins can use auth methods of their choice including this one. If I'm going to take your $25 for a token, I'd like to make it more...
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- Daniel Dulitz
@jh, @Tudor: yeah it would be great if one SecureID could service multiple accounts for the owner, but i think each key fob is unique to the account holder and service they're issued for; some foreknowledge of the site/account the fobs will be used for is required. with the one I use at work, I signed some paperwork, sent it to Tech, and then got the fob few days later. Sounds like a potential customer-service nightmare for RSA if they when that route.
- .LAG liked that
They'd probably pick up more paid accounts. Just the concept would probably convince numerous new users.
- Charlie Anzman
Great idea! It's also a great way of branding the name if it's on a key chain of something else cool. Verisign offers it as a second layer of security on their OpenID accounts. They were charging before, but I just checked and it's free now. I'll have to get it for my account. Two-factor identification should be standard everywhere, especially on bank accounts.
- Michael Fidler
I'm waiting for Google to handle all my Internet passwords, all encrypted behind a master Google accounts password and a security calculator/keychain type of mechanism. I wouldn't perhaps need to use that physical extra security code each time I log in. It could be set to once a day, and secure login can be reset at any time during the day (if you don't feel confortable using public web terminal at a netcafe, you can simply activate secure login for any activity done after you logout.
- Charbax
Also, I believe Google should easily show me a complete log of all activities on my Google account, this way I could find out if something fishy is going on. If one is paranoid while using a public terminal, there should be a "monitor in realtime all activity" window so you can see if anything weird is going on while you are logged in and you should imediately be able to cancel/restore/logout in realtime once any of that fishy activity has been detected.
- Charbax
HELL YES.
- Zee.
For $25 -- that's worth the peace of mind.
- CarolAnnB
Matt, regarding RFID: I've seen applications using bluetooth for a similar purpose. If a specific phone comes within range, the computer unlocks/wakes up/launches the missiles/etc. I'm not sure that RFID adds much, though I'm unfamiliar with how easy it is to spoof the identity of either bluetooth or RFID.
- DGentry
in case you weren't aware, there are other options for SecurID other than the fob - like the mobile app http://www.rsa.com/node... or software token (RSA is an EMC company, my employer)
- Stuart Miniman
I have my paypal key, I feel secure because of it. And it only cost me $5.
- Luis
See Arcot's integration with Google Apps: http://arcot.com/product...
- Scott Loftesness
跟我们公司的只是圆形图案不一样…………
- 疯狂的糯米
Mark - RSA is doing this now, see http://www.rsa.com/node...
- Stuart Miniman
@Charbax: Gmail (and possibly other apps?) does show you when someone else is logged in at the same time as you are, as well as their IP. Not precisely what you're suggesting, but is still quite helpful.
- Joel Webber
surprised these things are still popular. Years ago we used them at GE and perhaps they still do... But wouldn't it be more convenient to add a dynamic part to a password with a question like your wife's age + XX, or day first child was born + XX or year this picture was taken + XX. The variation of lets say 5 questions plus a random addition or subtraction would add enough variation and security no ? curious to see this your comments.
- Bart LePoole
I have the Paypal one, and one for my BofA account. I would definitely get one for Google and for my Amazon account. *HINT*
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
Why would I want one for every account? Why can't I use the same one for all my accounts?
- Gabe
paul, that's a great idea for a start-up (btw user should have *one* item for all accounts)
- Massimo MaxKava Cavazzini
Symptoms Of Alzheimer's May Come In Your 50s - ABC News - http://news.google.com/news...
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@CBC the new version of your iPhone specific site looks much better, but it requires way too many clicks. Usability has been compromised.
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Friendfeed needs to time-stamp the comments.
Kathleen Capps, Kol Tregaskes, Tanath and 109 other people liked this
Yeah, that is something that I have been thinking about.
- Kevin Bondelli
Less thinking more action ;)
- Alberto Reyes
A tooltip maybe on hover over the quote graphic. Keep it clean
- Andrew Smith
Optional feature - timestamp - not default.
- Susan Beebe
great idea!
- Sarah Perez
it must be part of the API, since fftogo seems to include a time stamp on the comments
- Trent Olson
I'm sure they do store the timestamp, even if it isn't currently displayed.
- Mack D. Male
Yeah, it's in the api, all comments & likes are timestamped
- Glenn Slaven
I think this is a perfect plan. The only issue I might have is that the time information might take-over the conversations. It might just look more cluttered than FF already is.
- Ryne Nelson
It would be useful sometimes.
- Morton Fox
It is in the API (I use them in fftogo). I vote that the timestamp should appear as text when you hover over the "thought bubble" to the left.
- Benjamin Golub
All comments are time-stamped in AlrertThingy and feedalizr
- Stephen B
from Alert Thingy
Comments are time stamped in bTT as well.
- Francois Bochatay
from bTT
and also in twhirl
- Marco Kaiser
from twhirl
agreed. Timestamps are important
- Peter Dawson
What about a comment alert?! How do you follow conversations on ff!?
- TommasoSorchiotti
Not sure if this will add to the functionality, but should be something they can try out...
- Dennis Goedegebuure
Not sure a comment alert is necessary. Comments bring the post up to the top of the timeline, which makes it available for anyone who is currently paying attention to Friendfeed. (Not sure why anyone would want their attention brought to Friendfeed if it isn't already there, that would be a huge productivity drain).
- Jason Wehmhoener
Please, please remember that the whole world doesn't run on PDT. I don't want to see timestamps in my FF in gReader and have to always try to guess whether the west coast is 17, 16, or 15 hours behind. If you must display timestamps, please put them in GMT. Setting the timestamps on my FF page/in my FF feed to be correct in my local timezone would be even nicer.
- James Polley
we know which came first... but in n argument the comments can edit. that makes time stamping very important so we know when someone made a change
- NoahDavidSimon
a timeline function in general would be nice, make everything more timeframe friendly
- Ruben Llibre
Show times either in GMT or in my own timezone, and just make it a tooltip for the quote balloon or something. Don't want it to look cluttered.
- Pat Hawks
just make the time relative from each comment, so I know who said what when in perspective. like 5 minutes later Noah David Simon said. <--this opens up
- NoahDavidSimon
like i said earlier about plurk :)
- kosmar
Is i really important to know when every single comment is made? Only the last one would really be useful, could have 'last comment on june 1 at..." right beside the date of the post.
- John Duff
If the timestamp is a tooltip, then it isn't really "in the way." Maybe we can have all the timestamps as tooltips, except the most recent comment will have the timestamp printed out below it, like John said.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I am so tired of entering an empty room and talking to myself for twenty minutes. lol
- Russellreno
A needed feature for sure I agree. I suggested this to the FF feedback room some weeks ago.
- Mike Fruchter
Any news?
- Amiroo ™
<--- try hover your mouse cursor on that little dialog icon
- 我是真砂！
Sorry it's not more obvious, but if you hover your mouse over the comment icon you will see the time that the comment was made. Thanks for letting us know that it's hard to find! The feedback is much appreciated.
- Ross Miller
I believe they are timestamped but this data is not yet displayed.... you're right !
- David Berrebi
other than timestamp I also want to be able to like the comments individually =]
- Özgür D. Cyric
This thread shows what happens when nobody reads the comments before theirs
- Rah-PM 2012
Agreed. The entire time...
- Zachary Poley
from twhirl
Rahsheen, your point is awesome right now :)
- Zachary Poley
from twhirl
this feed tells me that noone reads the comments before theirs =] =] j/k
- Özgür D. Cyric
Yes,sure. The problems is how to realize it?
- Motor Industry
Ross Miller:Thanks, my bad lots of greasemonkey junk keep me away to recognize that
- Amiroo ™
Amazon Applying For In-Book Advertisement Patent - http://www.crunchgear.com/2009...
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It's like Amazon looks for ways to further damage their relationship with publishers and shove them into the arms of Google. I mean, Amazon and Publishers are civil at best right now, this doesn't bode well for increased Kindle partnerships.
- AJ Kohn
Its just a patent it could even be their objective to lock it down so that someone other "known advertiser" can't do it. I guess we are going to have to sit in "wait and see" mode.
- Geoff Schultz {TF}
The article is a little vague as well, so I am not sure what the plan could be. As the story says, maybe they are looking at an ad supported model so that the ebooks could be significantly cheaper or more importantly make the kindle itself cheaper.
- Rob Diana
Firefox 3.5 gears up for a possible Tuesday public release | Software News - Betanews - http://www.betanews.com/article...
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"A Mozilla spokesperson confirmed to Betanews early this evening that, if all pans out as planned, the organization will officially release the Firefox 3.5 Web browser to the general public as soon as Tuesday, June 30. No longer a beta, users will get the first opportunity to see a completely stable version of Firefox's new TraceMonkey JavaScript engine, whose latest new features were demonstrated to us today by two of its engineers." Awesome.
- Justin Yost
The Kindle Criticism I Reject Out Of Hand - http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpre...
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"If your big opening salvo against the Kindle is “I love paper books” don’t be surprised if I ignore you and your input. If your big criticism of eating hamburgers is that you love sushi, you’ll get the same reaction from me."
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
when my newborn son is hungry, he tries to eat his clothes, my hair, and anything he can get his mouth near. it's so very cute.
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NOM
- Michael R. Bernstein
That raises interesting questions about how babies learn what is and isn't acceptable to eat.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
congrats by the way
- mjc
Ask him if he'd like to see the wine list....'We have a lovely 2009 LEFT, or the surprisingly full-bodied RIGHT....I recommend a little from both, to provide the much needed balance during your dining experience here at 'Chez MomzBoobz'.
- Morgan
Morgan: at his Bris, he was fed a little wine as part of the ceremony. He HATED it. He is just like his mommy. :)
- Tamar Weinberg
Audrey had a little wine at Pesach. She loved it. :(
- Rochelle
Rochelle, I told you that you shouldn't have had that glass when she was in the womb! ;)
- Tamar Weinberg
So does the cat we're fostering! LOL
- Jorge Escobar
"If you're not prepared to be wrong, you'll never come up with anything original" - http://www.ted.com/index...
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it's a brilliant speech eh? Blew me away...i'm leaving.
- Zee.
Thanks for sharing this - brilliant. I just sent it to the board of my kids' high school.
- Leo Laporte
Here is a MUST SEE TED talk that is only 5 minutes long. Why US media is dropping the ball. EYE OPENING http://www.ted.com/index...
- Mike Bracco
wow. tx for sharing this Paul
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
I met Ken Robinson while working at Microsoft and the dude was inspiring to hear speak. One thing that's cool about having kids is to see how they learn: my son learns by trial and error. He tries things hundreds, if not thousands, of times before he figures out what makes them tick. We give them permission to learn that way because they are babies. Too bad we stop being able to learn that way when we're older.
- Robert Scoble
Are you kidding. I've got my I was wrong speech prepared and in my suit jacket pocket at all times =)
- Micah
that was great.
- Laura Norvig
Paul, wouldn't it be a good time to consider embedding TED's videos? ;-))
- ianf ⌘
Really, Zee? You are not prepared to be wrong [5:44 into Robinson's talk], as this proves <http://ff.im/3dtfY>
- ianf ⌘
Being prepared to be wrong implies being prepared to admit it publicly, and without prompts. This is a TALL order for most humanity...
- ianf ⌘
A ted classic. I never get tired of Sir Ken's talk. I have walked in godknows how many times. Always use it whenever I introduce a newbie to Ted.com
- Edward Harran
Interesting talk. I feel like I've been living in a hole (actually, have just been living in Japan!) but what's TED? I'm sure I'll get the idea if I browse around the site but it's interesting to ask here on FriendFeed.
- Rick Cogley
TED is great.
- james
Wow--good shit! The bit about Will Shakespeare had me in tears.
- thepete
Will S. would have instantly choked on a piece of medium-rare mutton had he heard you refer to him as "Will."
- ianf ⌘
This was one of the first TED talks to be published online with help from Google, something like 2 or 3 years ago. I remember it vividly, since I totally and absolutely agree with what Ken Robinson has to say. Remains one of my favorite talks. Ever ;)
- Mustafa K. Isik
play is fearless= adult says = '...nobody knows what God looks like.' girl says 'They will in a minute!'
- Lane Rapp
I thought friendfeed would be the biggest threat to Twitter but I now see it's Seesmic Desktop. Come here and we'll discover why:
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1. It has list management like friendfeed has. Twitter doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
2. It lets you display both Facebook and Twitter messages.
- Robert Scoble
3. It lets you search both Facebook and Twitter messages.
- Robert Scoble
4. It displays them all better than Twitter does.
- Robert Scoble
5. Friendfeed Support in the works.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
6. It lets you comment on Facebook postings
- Lee Herman
it sucks all the memory out of my machine. performance suffers. I want to like it. I don't.
- Karoli
5. Seesmic desktop (and TweetDeck, which really does most of the same stuff that Seesmic Desktop does) does DM's better than Twitter or Facebook do.
- Robert Scoble
Are you arguing that a 3rd party twitter application is a threat to twitter?
- Frankie Warren
Karoli: I don't care. I run it on its own machine. It can suck all the memory it wants!
- Robert Scoble
Frankie: I can see a case for that, yes.
- Robert Scoble
It makes it easy to mark spammers.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
6. What happens when you add all your data into Seesmic Desktop and Twitter is down? Oh, move over to Seesmic's own service!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I don't have that luxury. Plus, it's still a client. How can it threaten Twitter when it needs twitter.?
- Karoli
6B: Twinkle on iPhone already does exactly that. Tweetie has 200,000 plus members who DO NOT NEED TWITTER ANYMORE!!! Update I origionally said Tweetie but it is Twinkle that has its own database. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: It isn't exclusive to Twitter.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
A twitter client threatens the existence of twitter?!
- Joshua Lee
Karoli: look at Twinkle. They show the way. They have 200,000 people who are on their own service now, even though most of them think they are only on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
I use tweetie. They still rely on twitter's firehose.
- Karoli
Including myself... haha care to elaborate Robert about tweetie
- Frankie Warren
Karoli: wrong. I was just at their headquarters and Tweetie has its own database and can send messages EVEN WHEN TWITTER IS DOWN!!!
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: Tweetie has two databases for each member. One for Twitter. One for its own back end.
- Robert Scoble
robert, to everyone on my twitter lists, including those NOT using tweetie?
- Karoli
Karoli: no, not to everyone. Right.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: but what happens when all your friends are on Tweetie or Seesmic Desktop? Will you care anymore?
- Robert Scoble
I agree with joshua, these are clients, they don't live without the parent service. I don't see how seesmic desktop threatens twitter.
- Nitin Gupta
Stop exposing the secrets of us Twitter developers Robert - you're ruining the plan!
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: sorry. When you all pay me something I'll shut up. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that's my point. There is interdependence here. All my friends will not be on one or the other. Blackberry users will use Twitterberry. Twittelator is a player here too. I couldn't give a rip about Facebook -- it's one of those necessary evils i have to have but hate.
- Karoli
Robert: Does Seesmic do the same thing as Tweetie in terms of redundancy?
- Frankie Warren
Nitin: if I got everyone in the world to use Seesmic Desktop why will we need Twitter? Not to mention, why will you pay for "pro" version of Twitter or look at any of its advertising?
- Robert Scoble
Interesting. I said the same thing about tweetie desktop and friendfeed
- Christian Anderson
AIR apps are a mess, but from an HCI point of view, and from a technical point of view. Native apps please. Tweetie is wonderful.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Oooh - I can buy Robert out? ;-) More to my plan for world domination...
- Jesse Stay
Jason... yes, native apps, OR web apps.
- Tinfoil 2.0
You're not going to make everyone use Seesmic Desktop, you'll pry Nambu from my cold dead fingers.
- Joshua Lee
Karoli: I think it's funny you write off Facebook. Looking at the two streams side by side Facebook's is a lot better. There are far better quality people on Facebook in my account than there are on Twitter for the most part. Plus on Facebook there are 225 million. On Twitter? 30 million.
- Robert Scoble
You could twitpay Robert a buck to buy his silence.
- Louis Gray
Robert, your enthusiasm is infectious, but the hyperbole is still a little on the high side...I think Tweetie is an excellent app. I like Loic and Seesmic desktop but won't use it. I use Tweetie for my desktop app now, and it still needs some tweaking.
- Karoli
Robert, I don't write it off. I just hate it.
- Karoli
Joshua: what if Nambu, Seesmic Desktop, Tweetie, and TweetDeck made their own database?
- Robert Scoble
For me, in terms of signal, FriendFeed trumps Facebook which trumps Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Sounds more like someone doesn't like twitter very much.
- Mac Sharp
The first thing I would do to Facebook is nuke the frackin' IQ app.
- Karoli
Friendfeed is excellent in a browser, but Twitter is awful on the web. Twitter really needs Tweetie.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Karoli: hyperbole is what gets people to engage and think differently.
- Robert Scoble
I don't suppose Seesmic's secret plan might happen to involve an open alternative to Twitter on the back end, would it? If it's a threat to Twitter in that it allows people to use Twitter, Facebook, or FriendFeed interchangeably as a back end protocol...sure... yeah... I can see that. If the idea is Seesmic could swap out their own network? Bah. Don't buy it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert, as long as we're clear on the motive, I'm good.
- Karoli
But after all,it is just a client for Twitter and Facebook.
- Steve Chou
from IM
Tweetie is practically the only reason I even feel bad about leaving Twitter
- James Poling
Ryo: have you tried the new Seesmic? I like it as much as Tweetdeck at minimum.
- Robert Scoble
I have moved from TweetDeck to Seesmic Desktop. I am here on FriendFeed, just b/c you invited me to come discuss :) Also, did anyone using SDT notice that you can set up numerous active search columns and you don't hit API limits. thinking that TD used API count for everything from Profile view to search columns? Don't quote me, I'm drinking. LOL.
- Zaneology
Zane: heheh!
- Robert Scoble
Louis, done - Robert, $1 your way via Twitpay and Amazon Payments ;-)
- Jesse Stay
7. It let's you give up all your system resources in a single bound.
- Rah-PM 2012
James: there's a new version of Tweetie coming.
- Robert Scoble
i learn so much from being on friendfeed and reading all these brilliant threads! thank u scoble!
- Jason Pollock
I think it's funny how people are writing Seesmic Desktop off as just a Twitter client. It's set up to be so much more all you have to do is look at everything Twhirl had built into it. Freindfeed, Laconi.ca, Seesmic, Twitter, and Identi.ca. It wouldn't be to hard to create a redundant system for it using Laconi.ca.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
James: and the real battle will be over search. Imagine what Seesmic Desktop can do with comparative searches between Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Rahsheen ++++
- Karoli
Has anyone tried PeopleBrowsr ?
- Zaneology
YES LOVE SEESMIC DESKTOP! B U T ...... it does take a WHOPPING amount of memory for such a small app... at present, I have a dual core 4gb RAM PC... and Seesmic desktop is taking: 98,456k ... actually more than OUTLOOK and EXPRESSION WEB! so... it is good, but maybe this is an Adobe AIR thing of course rather than Seesmic... hey lets face it, Adobe hardly have compact low memory code do they? like the idea.. but because of the memory, cannot justify using it.
- David Sheardown
James: exactly. Zane I like PeopleBrowsr too.
- Robert Scoble
i still think that all this talk of the next thing that everyone will move to is a bit premature... twitter will continue to dominate for some time
- Jason Pollock
Scoble: are you inferring that it will support friendfeed?
- James Poling
But if twitter is down,those clients can do nothing
- Steve Chou
James: Loic says that friendfeed support is coming to Seesmic Desktop. I'll keep bugging him until he does it anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I can't agree more. I'm still using Twhirl for it's filter feature. I can filter my stream so nicely with it to extract data I want.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
the general public is still getting used to twitter.. us geeks can talk about the next thing until we're blue in the face but its going to be all about twitter for a while and I think we all know it:)
- Jason Pollock
Jason: don't be so sure. Remember a few years ago MySpace was on top of the world. Twitter will probably pass MySpace next year.
- Robert Scoble
To get back to your thesis, the only thing that can kill Twitter is Twitter.
- Christian Anderson
A client is redundant if the service(s) no longer exist! That is like a "chicken or the egg" discussion.
- Allan Besselink
Robert: Told him to make a better user interface by the way,I still don't like Seesmic too much.
- Steve Chou
Robert: I can't wait to see how Loic integrates it into SD. It's much more complicated to fit into that platform than Twhirl's.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Robert: i agree that it will be a few years tho.. and by the time twitter is on the decline who knows what will be out by then!
- Jason Pollock
Jason: the general public is going to start seeing that search is very important for them to find people talking about things they care about. I can see a world where Seesmic's search will be better than even friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
I tried seesmic desktop for a view minutes but it was so not intuitive that I quit trying it.
- rick
Loic ignores serious usability issues. I'm not optimistic for him.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Twitter is indeed becoming more popular, I saw a feature on network news about it. If something like twitter is noticed by mainstream media, it's already passed the threshold of being not just for geeks long ago.
- Joshua Lee
Jason: Seesmic Desktop is much more usable than it used to be.
- Robert Scoble
I just installed the latest version
- Jason Wehmhoener
same mess
- Jason Wehmhoener
Lets say all the twitter clients work together to build a common database in laconi.ca.. Will we still need twitter?
- Varun "Maverick" Pitale
PeopleBrowsr seems quite unintuitive to me.
- Chuck Baggett
robert: i agree that real-time search is the the wave of the future and it is the reason that twitter is so dominant right now... too bad the twitter search is always down.. lol.. im definitely going to download the new seesmic right now tho!:)
- Jason Pollock
I'm not sure why adobe air twitter apps are so popular, native apps are much more usable and use less resources.
- Joshua Lee
Robert: track is the key.
- Karoli
Robert, don't all these sources just scream out for common interface pipes? Isn't that the key? Seems like we'll see more and more Tweetdecks, Seesmics, FF, FB Thwirls and Tweeties, all of which will have their pluses, but they all gotta' pass data and interact, like multiple networking protocols going thru a router...right?
- Michael Metz
Twitter has a history of killing it's most popular features. How long until they kill real-time search?
- Christian Anderson
Karoli: track is coming.
- Robert Scoble
If I hear "track" one more time I'm going to scream
- Jesse Stay
Christian: they won't kill realtime search. It's the only way they have of monitising twitter.
- Joshua Lee
I have track - it's called TweetBeep
- Jesse Stay
Christian: I think they already did ;) try searching for something you've said recently.
- Frankie Warren
Jesse: track, track TRACK
- Karoli
Karoli can I twitpay you a dollar as well?
- Jesse Stay
Christian: Frankie is right. Twitter's search is horrid.
- Robert Scoble
Seesmic Desktop is getting more friendly on system resources with each build - now it will run for days with the very small increase in memory over time
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Twitter is technically mediocre in general, it proves that if you have a good concept, the technical execution is secondary. Unfortunately.
- Joshua Lee
Jesse, sure. :)
- Karoli
I seriously doubt that Seesmic Desktop is going to kill Twitter. Besides the people talking on here now, how many people even know what Adobe AIR is? Or what Seesmic is? Look how slow people were to find out about Twitter. I am pulling for FriendFeed:)
- Shawn Hickman
I still am a little lost... what do these companies gain by building their own phantom networks behind twitter? It's not like they can just flip the switch off on twitter and expect to keep their users. As it stands, twitter is the only thing that links all these different clients.
- Frankie Warren
I love Friendfeed, but i admit...i do not like the name. :)
- Karoli
I actually just switched to it today. Though I wish they would do some interface tweaks, but I'm sure they will over time. Able to move the tweetbox around, and be able to take the menu on the right and make it tabs on the top. Just simplify it a bit.
- Dean Clark
Joshua: the most important thing about social networks is "are the people I want to follow on it?" Nothing else really matters that much. But once they are, watch the tide move.
- Robert Scoble
Shawn: I agree with you, I tried to tell my sister, who just joined twitter, to use a client. She emailed me back like I was some kind of geek! (Well, I am.)
- Joshua Lee
our goal isn't to "kill" Twitter with Seesmic Desktop - but rather to allow you to read/use Twitter along side other sources
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Twitter is getting easier and easier by the day to compete with - look at us here on FriendFeed. We're not talking about it on Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
Search is pretty broken right now. when they have trouble scaling, they just kill off whatever functionality is holding them up. Twitter may just become email at some point in the near future.
- Christian Anderson
Web Apps are the future, downloading will become a thing of the past
- Shawn Hickman
Christian, e-mail is more reliable than Twitter - please no
- Jesse Stay
The big thing slowing down FriendFeed integration is their own API (note: that's my personal opinion and not my bosses :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Frankie, I can see some real advantages to building a phantom network behind Twitter. Starting with not having to rely on Twitter and the somewhat arrogant heads of Twitter who do not give a rip about their users.
- Karoli
Mike: actually the friendfeed team itself told me that. They know they need to simplify the API. I wonder when we'll see that?
- Robert Scoble
Mike, from what I've seen FriendFeed's API is actually more advanced than Twitter's. It's just missing one or two crucial methods.
- Jesse Stay
Christian: Yes, Twitter search is dead. Currently hours missing off the top and after 18 days everything disappears. It's a horrible situation for them.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
robert: hopefully very soon - there is a lot of movement to happen when that appears
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I can't tell Twitter to only give me certain pieces of data from a user's profile, for instance. I can do that with FriendFeed. They're much more prepared for API scalability than Twitter is, even now.
- Jesse Stay
Mike: what do you do at Seesmic?
- Robert Scoble
robert: ops, messaging (xmpp), infrastructure
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike: awesome. I can't wait until you have friendfeed. That will seal the deal for you guys. Then it's just going to be a race to see who builds the best search display.
- Robert Scoble
robert: (again my personal opinion on SD - I'm a user like you all in this regard) I agree, it's the ability to see and manipulate the various streams that is killer, so not having FF is the pink elephant in the room
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
mentions of 'compete'/'kill' in certain contexts in the comments here sounds kind of petty, encouraging some backwards cut-throat sadomasichism. web 2.0's focus on social networks has facets of co-existence and is mutually beneficial in complementing services. everybody is not necessarily out to kill each other, imo.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Karoli... they would still have to rely on twitter right? Things will get crazy confusing if the applications cant talk to each other. Imagine if verizon phones couldnt call cingular phones and you had to worry about who had what handset... thats where theres a problem with having a Seesmic Network, a Tweetie network etc. EDIT: woah i just said cingular haha
- Frankie Warren
blackfeathers: whenever you see me use the word "kill" it means to take over the momentum.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, Twitter is broken. We were all here a year ago when Twitter's uptime was like 50%. Still, we stayed. Why? Because the people we wanted t follow were there. And people like Jesse were buuling kick ass sticky apps. I don't see that changing.
- Christian Anderson
Being able to use the local twitter search to see tweets within however many miles of a location would be nice *hint* *hint* *hint* That seems to be a part of twitter search many air apps still don't support.
- Dean Clark
Christian: me neither. Although there's a new usage model that is in play that Twitter has not locked up. Especially around search and zeitgeist display.
- Robert Scoble
Christian - thanks for the compliment. Not sure what you mean by sticky though.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: once you start using SocialToo you can't stop.
- Robert Scoble
Dean: Local search would be the shit. It really needs to be implemented
- Shawn Hickman
Let's make a rule right now. Kill = lose momentum leader status. That is what we mean when we say "kill"
- Christian Anderson
Jesse: that's sticky. I call Facebook "velcro" because it has so much sticking power and lots of little hooks that lock you in.
- Robert Scoble
I thought FriendFeed was kind of meh, I didn't realize it had this realtime comment feature. I'll have to use it more often.
- Joshua Lee
Robert: Unless you're me. I cannot abide all those little sticky velcro stupid things.
- Karoli
Joshua: there's a lot of things in friendfeed that lots of Twitterers have no clue about.
- Robert Scoble
Ah - thanks again then Christian - that's quite a compliment! We won't be supporting just Twitter for long though, although if Twitter keeps breaking it keeps giving us new things to do to fix it. :-(
- Jesse Stay
Steven: trust me, I have my own list of UI issues that I remind the SD devs of weekly ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Karoli: oh, really? So if someone tags you in a photo on Facebook you don't look?
- Robert Scoble
Not that I underestimate FB. I don't. It's why I have a presence there. I just HATE. IT.
- Karoli
Robert, no...I'm the chick behind the camera
- Karoli
I just don't believe in support applications that are unnecessarily hogs as far as memory goes. Yes AIR apps tend to be on the larger size, but look at DestroyTwitter. John Hallman manages to get his AIR client to consume less than 70MB of memory.
- Alex Knight
Karoli: you're a better man than I am then. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Steven: also, if you twitter to @seesmic - our customer team tracks all of the suggestions and gets them to the UI Devs
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike: you should open a friendfeed room, too. It's even better than Twittering @seesmic.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: I have a suggestion, make it look more native on OS X. We Mac users are interface consistency geeks.
- Joshua Lee
Alex - one of the things that bit all of the Air devs in the ass recently was the memory leak caused by the xml parser IIRC - now that was a fun one
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
have not try the seesmic desktop... They are the best if they manage to serve local context too.. (Twitter & Friendfeed, not the 3rd party)
- Pico Seno
They just did. The Mac buttons are now in their standard place on top of the window left.
- Robin Good
Joshua - they are already doing that in small increments - notice the window chrome items changes recently
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I'll have to take another look, especially if you add friendfeed.
- Joshua Lee
Robert - If our customer support guy hasn't already I will make sure he does
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I'm a TweetDeck fan, despite the memory suck on my computer. Tweetie is nice on the iPhone, like new Twitterrific better. Seesmic desktop and Tweetie desktop are just OK.
- Geoff Peterson
Robert, love your velcro example - thanks for the clarification
- Jesse Stay
Mike: cool, I just added you to my secret group for discussing the 2010web.
- Robert Scoble
robert: wow - thanks
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wild 164 comments in 32 minutes. I guess I touched a nerve.
- Robert Scoble
You bet, Jesse. You and your app building Ilk have played a huge part in making Twitter what it is today.
- Christian Anderson
Robert: either that or you trolled a bit, in a positive way. ;-)
- Joshua Lee
Scoble: at the risk of sounding presumptuous can I join in on that 2010web conversation?
- James Poling
Joshua: I was mostly trolling Loic who hasn't shown up yet, which makes it even funnier.
- Robert Scoble
lol secret group... you know how to work this stuff ;)
- Frankie Warren
Robert - that's why i popped in - I know he is doing some family stuff so he's offline right now
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Frankie and Joshua: soon, soon!
- Robert Scoble
Frankie: it has to be an elite group in order for 2010web to become a buzzword, from clique to chic. It's the new pardigm. ;-)
- Joshua Lee
Mike, I hear a blank AIR app sucks up 20MB. If that's true Adobe has some work to do.
- Alex Knight
Joshua: I hated the name "Web 2.0" and am trying to head off the next thing being called "Web 3.0."
- Robert Scoble
Alex - yep - your preaching to the choir on that one :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Yeah, we don't need x.0 - definitely.
- Joshua Lee
Mike: thanks for filling in for Loic. His ears must be burning, or will be soon.
- Robert Scoble
i like it (2010 web) just because of the Arthur C Clarke memories it brings up
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert 2010web is too soon you should have gone with 2013web, just past the apocalypse.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
2010web sounds interesting, but it limits the buzzword for one year.
- Joshua Lee
Getting to the topic at hand, how is a Twitter client a threat to Twitter?
- Alex Knight
hey lets start a 2011 web secret place:)
- Michael Metz
James: I disagree. Most businesses have sites that look like 1994 so 2010 will be very useable for a long time.
- Robert Scoble
Plus, I always hated the version numbers because the Web doesn't have a version. it's more fashion, like cars.
- Robert Scoble
Well im late (in the half hr this has been posted), but i will say that which ever client has the most interesting and frequent updates will prevail, so this debate could go on and on
- Chris Nwakalo
And it upgrades constantly.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: because these clients secretly piggyback and make their own redundant networks that some think will be able to free the clients of their dependency on twitter. (did i get that right? ;))
- Frankie Warren
Nambu updates fairly frequently. :-)
- Joshua Lee
Hey, Robert - it's Yama - I'll be starting a friendfeed room in a bit, but loving the stream here
- jyamasaki
I'm trying to get businesses to see that if they are using the 1994 web they'll look pretty lame if their competitors are using the 2010 one.
- Robert Scoble
yes. Real-time web might be akin to cold fusion. Guesing vertical and local are the next waves on the web.
- Christian Anderson
Anyway, that's all off topic, back to Seesmic and TweetDeck and Tweetie and all the rest. If they all worked together they could totally take away Twitter's air supply.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is definitely on the cusp of something massive. I'm afraid their infrastructure will quickly crumble though. They haven't even figured out a way to make money yet.
- Alex Knight
i kind of agree w/ james fuller. there's something too gimmicky w/ all the symmetric number schemes up to 12-12-12 - just for the sake of removing oneself from it, 2013 makes sense to me as a new starting point.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I find it interesting that many people are willing to pay or donate to developers making Twitter clients. No one donates to Twitter heh.
- Alex Knight
blackfeathers: if you are appealing to early adopters and developers you are probably right. I'm trying to appeal to normal business people. They understand that the 2010 automobiles are just now shipping (my 2010 Prius should be here next week) and so if they want to get a modern web site they will understand that they need 2010web technologies. 2013 is too esoteric and future thinking for normal people.
- Robert Scoble
Considering how long from the infamous O'Reilly web 2.0 conference to it becoming a popular buzzword web 2.0 became, maybe 2010 is a bit too soon in the future. I'm not sure why I'm trying to help with this buzzword though, considering how much I hate them. :-)
- Joshua Lee
Robert: How would the clients make it clear what networks you're talking to and who actually is able to see your content? For example, If Joe is Twitter+Seesmic and I'm Twitter+Tweetie.... when twitter goes down I can no longer speak to joe...
- Frankie Warren
Alex: that's because Twitter treats us like crap and has $30 million in the bank.
- Robert Scoble
Loic is well positioned to win because he has an honest to God team working on this. They got in early and they've kept a break-neck innovation pace.
- Christian Anderson
Twitter is a platform, Friendfeed and Tweetdeck are apps. Well , Twitter does have a native app, but it sucks big time. I think it's a matter of months that the mainstream twitter users will realize that and there will be a huge explosion in twitter apps usage.
- Kirill Bolgarov
Frankie - that's a routing-around-failure problem that is keeping me up at night to be honest - when I think of what will be needed to do that
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Ok, I have to go to bed. One last though before I go, one of the reasons Seesmic Desktop is huge is because it pulls your virtual social life back into one location that can exist on you desktop, and makes it easy to manage from it's interface.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
its no threat at all - as twitter knows perfectly well, the Platform is everything! Seesmic isn't the platform and never can be as its desktop based
- Anthony Feint
Yeh, that was abit offtopic
- Kirill Bolgarov
Frankie: in Seesmic Desktop I can tell which Window is showing me Facebook and which one is showing me Twitter. Why couldn't I be shown that I can have more features with other people who are on Seesmic Desktop?
- Robert Scoble
Oh suuure Scoble, get me on Friend Feed and already you've declared it passe?
- Brett Schulte
Robert - They should spend the $29 million on their infrastructure and leave the last million to pay salaries :P
- Alex Knight
Robert, is there a way to do a date range search in FF?
- Gary Gannon
Brett: heheh. There's a method to my madness. When I started getting into friendfeed Twitter took off. So, I figured I better find the next big thing so friendfeed could take off. Seesmic Desktop is it!
- Robert Scoble
Alex: I hear the team already took a lot off the table.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: that's why the management isn't in a big hurry to sell Twitter. They already have "FU money."
- Robert Scoble
Gogii is the next Twitter according to @drew... I like it.
- Brett Schulte
I still don't think an app could be the next big thing,after all platform rules.
- Steve Chou
Brett: hmmm. Why?
- Robert Scoble
Mike: do you see like Robert in that you can make a separate network that acts as a Twitter+
- Frankie Warren
Steve: Seesmic Desktop IS a platform.
- Robert Scoble
In all honesty it's easy to bash Twitter's infrastructure when you aren't in their shoes. I know our own company has gone through a ton of growing pains in the past 14 years.
- Alex Knight
Alex: Twitter was crashing when I had 1,000 followers. It's always sucked.
- Robert Scoble
Blackfeather: I'm glad you like the idea, but now I'm seeing Robert's point. The 2010web is constantly changing just like model years. You want to release next years big thing now.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Gogii is SMS based and more universal, and allows custom groups.
- Brett Schulte
Frankie - I can't say to be honest one way or the other
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I remember about 2 months that Twitter wasn't crashing in some form or another, when I first started using it
- Jesse Stay
Ff on the iPhone is not handling this string very well.
- Christian Anderson
Mike: Tweetie is using its network of 200,000 people to do lots of interesting things and will be doing more when they roll out their new version.
- Robert Scoble
This is the problem with FriendFeed... 200+ comments from one post. There needs to be a way to flag comments from different users in different ways.
- Jay McCormack
Back in the ole days of twitter when you had to walk 15 miles in the snow, barefoot, in order to tweet...
- Dean Clark
Mike: it'd be interesting to see if you guys choose to make your own database to add even more features. Like location and better search and "offline availability" for when Twitter is down.
- Robert Scoble
i don't know why exactly -perhaps it was the pager days- that makes me see it as yesterday. i skip sms if i can help it.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
robert - understood - I just can't say or comment on anything we are planning or not planning - loic and marco would personally come stomp me into a furry puddle ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
You're right Robert, shit programming is shit programming. It's no excuse to not plan/develop scalable infrastructure. Our company is suffering now because all of our internal systems were writing 14 years ago by a bunch of n00bs.
- Alex Knight
Jay: I don't see this as a problem. I see it as a benefit.
- Shawn Hickman
Robert: I'm sure you're not at liberty to say.... but it seems counter productive that seesmic and tweetie race to get an install base of twitter clients to have their own network gain a critical mass... shouldnt they work together :) Or am I being naive again
- Frankie Warren
Am I the only one that would like to see threaded comments or would that get way too messy?
- James Poling
Seesmic was interesting but I just can't stand listening to the French guy.
- Brett Schulte
Frankie: I wish they would work together.
- Robert Scoble
Brett: heheheh. That's Loic.
- Robert Scoble
brett - well, you can listen to the German guy if you want - he's the Seesmic Desktop lead
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
FWIW, I love Tiny Twitter on my Blackberry. So much nicer than Twitter Berry
- ursi
Robert: He really should get a spokesman people can understand.
- Brett Schulte
James: threaded comments would be fun here. I'd love to add graphics and video in here too, but it sure would get messy.
- Robert Scoble
Just say it, Robert. As a former Microsoft employee, you should be able to explain to everyone in three little words how Seesmic Desktop/Tweetie/insert_thirdparty_app_here can successfully kill Twitter should it gain a critical mass of users: "EMBRACE. AND. EXTEND." I'm 26 and even I remember the browser wars. Seriously. Scoble's right on this one.
- Andrew Feinberg
+ for threaded comments, this is hard to follow. Friendfeed should add to their UI and it should highlight comments that mention you.
- Alex Knight
"Even I remember the browser wars" - feeling ancient.
- Brett Schulte
james fuller: considering the target audience & the purpose then it would make sense currently. perhaps i'm thinking of time in a scalable sense of passage.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Andrew: yes, embrace and extend. Tweetie showed me the light. Seesmic is doing similar things with Facebook and Twitter (I have groups in Seesmic Desktop).
- Robert Scoble
I wish there was a button for commenting at the very bottom of this post. I don't like scrolling back up to comment.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Alex: follow? Just click the time stamp and stare at the screen!
- Robert Scoble
Nobody remember the losers.
- Steve Chou
James: if you click the time stamp it will open a new window up where the comment window will be at the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
James: pop out the window via the time stamp?
- Frankie Warren
Didn't you use to be big on Twitter Scoble? :)
- Brett Schulte
Robert: Thank you this is so much better.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
@Brett you should see the crowds he draws in Japan
- Andrew Feinberg
Brett: a very large PR firm told me I have a more engaged audience than Oprah. So, who said I'm still not big on Twitter?
- Robert Scoble
Steven: He's not still big on Facebook? Could've fooled me.
- Karoli
Brett: It gave birth to this chaos.
- Frankie Warren
Does anyone think Twitter buying out one of the big Twitter client products would be good for them?
- Alex Knight
Alex: that would be stupid for a platform company to do.
- Robert Scoble
Alex - even better, Facebook buying out one of the big Twitter clients
- Jesse Stay
@Alex: No. They can barely keep up with their own internal architecture.
- Andrew Feinberg
I think Twitter's plan is to offer premium features like advanced search, tracking, analytics, and bringing back the @ replies everyone complained about recently. They won't give this all away for free.
- Geoff Peterson
Alex: Twitter effectively killed all tiny URL innovation by partnering with bit.ly.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: I think they need to be bought
- Shawn Hickman
Robert I think you said it right there - the only way to truly compete with Twitter as a Twitter developer is to become Twitter
- Jesse Stay
Shawn: but the minute Twitter buys one the other companies know it's over and they'll move their code to a different system.
- Robert Scoble
Do they have a written partnership with bit.ly or did they just switch due to analytics?
- Dean Clark
Robert you coming down for e3?
- Brett Schulte
Dean: from what I understand it's a written partnership. Bit.ly is even on the same datacenter as Twitter is now.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: is that like the scene in Highlander where Sean Connery teaches Christopher Lambert to "Feel the stag..."?
- Andrew Feinberg
Brett: I doubt it.
- Robert Scoble
Sure, someone should buy Twitter but who? I would say what Twitter is doing right now would be a good fit for Google.
- Alex Knight
Andrew, something like that, yeah :-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert: Agreed, but I meant I think they should be bought by another company
- Shawn Hickman
Alex: I talked with Twitter investor Fred Wilson on Thursday. He said that Ev really is adverse to selling.
- Robert Scoble
Ok call me a newbie, but why would it be a bad thing for Twitter to purchase atebits (tweetie)? Wouldn't that just be like hiring people to make their own client? Or is that bad because Twitter should only be focusing on Twitter, and not clients for Twitter?
- Colin
Robert, to your point about search, I would offer this: Even a powerful search isn't enough. There has to be filters. Tracking my name even gives wonky results without filters.
- Karoli
So is Twitter's revenue plan to slowly remove the most popular features and then start selling them back to people?
- James Poling
Ok, interesting. Yeah written partnership would certainly kill some people trying to innovate. Few out of work people I think will give you different things a try though, certainly won't be see as widely though since short links are a mainstream feature now.
- Dean Clark
I heard Robert is buying Twitter
- Jesse Stay
wow, it's been a while since I've been in such a fun tech discussion. I've missed you, FriendFeed!
- Andrew Feinberg
No, Twitter bought Robert. ;)
- Brett Schulte
Karoli: search is equal to filters in my mind.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - EV may not want to sell Twitter, but it may have to happen in the not so distant future. We'll see though.
- Alex Knight
The obvious choice would be google to purchase Twitter, but I'm sure others could work well too
- Shawn Hickman
it's also possible for another company going down to buy twitter for its upward momentum, but maybe not likely.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Brett, no, I just bought Robert - did you see my Twitpay?
- Jesse Stay
I bought his puppet, too
- Jesse Stay
@James: there was no plan. that would acknowledge they added features knowing they'd be popular, and therefore would have built them better.
- Andrew Feinberg
Alex: Ev doesn't have to sell. What's forcing him to sell? I don't see it.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: friendfeed is fun once in a while when you get a topic that rocks and rolls like this one.
- Robert Scoble
Seesmic Desktop is Dead
- Bwana ☠
Andrew: but the real power in friendfeed is in the real time search engine here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - Nothing at all... but the future is untold. He may not have to sell now but it may become a good move in the future.
- Alex Knight
Haha Bwana!
- invariant
LOL @Bwana
- Alex Knight
I heard Google is buying Seesmic Desktop
- Jesse Stay
Bwana makes me laugh.
- Robert Scoble
i do like the search engine. I use it to track current event reactions. I just rarely get engaged.
- Andrew Feinberg
Jesse NOW THAT would be interesting!
- Robert Scoble
I just heard a rim shot coming from Bwana
- Alex Knight
You heard it hear first (might as well claim it)
- Jesse Stay
ergo seesmic desktop is the new rss? lol
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
bwana - any more lebron pain for you tonight?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: Conversation you can see is the real power of FriendFeed. Not the disjointed conversation on Twitter.
- Geoff Peterson
Maybe FriendFeed should buy Twitter or the other way around
- Shawn Hickman
So how does Seesmic make money... or does it not?
- Colin
Tweetie is making money.
- Colin
Why don't we all just pitch in and buy them both. How many users between the two?
- Jesse Stay
Colin - Seesmic desktop makes money from other services I believe.
- Alex Knight
Colin: sell a pro version. I'd pay for a version that had friendfeed integration, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
@Jesse. Nice bring me in as an investor
- Christian Anderson
bear - no, I'm somewhat over it...until I turn the TV on
- Bwana ☠
Christian, might still be expensive at what it seems Twitter's asking for
- Jesse Stay
well, I'm off to bed. This was fun, see ya in the morning!
- Robert Scoble
I heard the LDS church is buying the LHC from CERN and using it to go back in time so they can buy Twitter, add everyone's tweets to their genealogical databases and use that to target ads better than google, AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD AHAHAHAHAHA. Right, Jesse? :-)
- Andrew Feinberg
Seesmic desktop runs on AIR. I refuse to use it for that reason.
- nick
Robert I thought you were going to kill Gilmore - you got pretty hot.
- Brett Schulte
Robert: the average person does not equate search/track/filters . Look at Google usage for examples
- Karoli
Colin - I paid for my Tweetie licence but also donated $18 to DestroyTwitter. Love supporting great developers.
- Alex Knight
Andrew, I think my head just exploded
- Jesse Stay
Brett: he can't kill Gillmor. Two would pop up to take his place.
- Andrew Feinberg
hahahaha
- Brett Schulte
Good night. 330 comments. Wild.
- Robert Scoble
Way to be Alex, this stuff isn't free to make.
- Colin
@Jesse: so you don't deny it? :-)
- Andrew Feinberg
fun discussion. The pug insists I leave it. Good night all.
- Karoli
Good night - happy weekend!
- Brett Schulte
Andrew, that one I'll let you make your own conclusions on :-)
- Jesse Stay
(I somehow forgot to work Louis Gray into the conspiracy. But we all know he's there. The question is who will play him in the movie starring Tom Hanks as Ev and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Scoble)
- Andrew Feinberg
/me wanders off to dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I think Microsoft should buy Twitter and make their own Twitter client and implement Microsoft Bob to help you tweet!
- Alex Knight
and don't forget the CGI "Clippy" voiced by Chris Rock
- Andrew Feinberg
Microsoft kills almost every business they bought.
- Steve Chou
from IM
(too bad Don LaFontaine isn't alive to record a trailer voiceover for Ron Howard's "Twitter/Friendfeed" techno-thriller)
- Andrew Feinberg
Matthew: the bloomberg software can run on any laptop now. but you need a special smartcard with a fingerprint reader that reads a barcode off the screen at the same time.
- Andrew Feinberg
Wow 350 comments. What a massive comment stream. The comment feature makes a huge diff. It facilitates conversation, which twitter doesn't really provide.
- Lawrence Di Stefano
from Nambu
What Twitter's at threat!? It has the momentum of an unstoppable train, as to Seesmic being a threat - maybe, unfortunately it's irrelevant.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I dumped Tweetdeck after the last Seesmic release. They have such an insane release schedule I don't think people can grasp how difficult it is to roll out the kind of releases they have done back to back.Their version stream just tells me they have bank behind them. When you work from different boxes I don't love the tethered feel of Seesmic however.
- Chad Harris
there is potential for all these services (twitter, Friendfeed, facebook etc) to become secondary to the apps. The more services there are, the greater the need to bring them back together again.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Chad: agree, there is something about SD that I'm not a fan of, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Seems to have lost something from Twhirl somehow
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
@Scoble: Can you disclose publicly here that you are not on a pay roll by Seesmic or Loic LeMeur? Don't you have a PR-advisory deal? Please disclose....
- nikolas
Mike Taylor: "dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed" <- that would be SO great ^__^ (with xdcc support included and stuff...)
- minus-one
Robert is high
- Alejandro
amazing 355 comments - learned a lot about Seesmic in rellation to twitter; thanks for sharing!
- Jeroen De Miranda
Nikolas I have no such deal with Seesmic. I never have been paid by them. I have no investment in them. I don't know where you got that idea but it is totally false.
- Robert Scoble
I just cannot bring myself to install one more thing on my computer to take up needed RAM. Plus, I do not want to install anything on my work computer either...and like to just user browser things that I can use on any computer.
- Hummie
Scobleizer, Wait, Do I hence assume that your assertion is that friendfeed is no more (or, never was) a threat to twitter?
- Lakshman Prasad
Lakshman: Friendfeed I'd not a threat to Twitter, correct. That said it is a threat to http://search.twitter.com
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I like it but --- 1. it is a tool not a place, so i'll stick with FriendFeed as my means to "kill Twitter" and 2. it is a total whorish memory hog and i hate it when that happens.
- Thom Kennon
Yeah it's a memory hog
- Svartling
Robert: Seesmic definitely has potential, but I think that PeopleBrowsr has far more potential and far more power than Seesmic will ever have. As a power user, I'm quite surprised that you haven't taken that tool up, and replaced your Tweetdeck. And I would be surprised if you chose Seesmic to replace Tweetdeck. The search capabilities alone in PeopleBrowsr make me wonder this. Add to...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I would honestly say Seesmic Desktop is more of a threat to Friendfeed than Twitter
- Zee.
Rob: I need to try Peoplebrowsr again. When I first tried it it was too slow and complex.
- Robert Scoble
Zee: one major reason I also haven't gotten in Peoplebrowsr or Seesmic desktop is because, well, it is Adobe AIR and my iPhone doesn't run that (in Seesmic Desktop's case). In Peoplebrowser's case? It didn't do mobile last time I tried it. Friendfeed's search and realtime is keeping me going.
- Robert Scoble
I think we can all agree that twitter was just the first in a line of ever evolving systems in real time news, twitter is the oldest, and will probably be replaced eventually, but surely it doesn't help to keep jumping ship every few months, nothing seems to be gathering as much steam as friendfeed, and it offers huge improvements over twitter, I really think people do need to persist with one service... rather than constantly jumping
- Chris Lloyd
Robert the lack of mobile in PeopleBrowsr is valid, and it is complex, but the light mode makes it much more manageable to start using. The speed has considerably improved since you last used it. We'd love for you to try it again. The AIR version will import your groups from Tweetdeck. Please feel free to ask any questions you have. Jodee is on his way to California now for the conference this week. I hope that you'll have a chance sit down with him and see the improvements.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from f2p
augh, too many comments to absorb. just wanted to throw in my two cents, though. i started with twhirl, then tried out Seesmic Desktop, and then went back to twhirl because i was able to customize the font size for reading the tweets. maybe i didn't dig deep enough, but Seesmic doesn't have that option, and i find the print a wee bit too small for my liking.
- Starshadow Rivaulx
Wow Rob, you are an internet phenomenon. Someone tweeted me the link of this thread followed by "look at the moron, lol". Anyway: If twitter gets shut down, Seesmic will die. If Seesmic dies (gets shut down, w/e), it won't make a dent to twitter. Hence, you are wrong.
- H M Elius
I'm with @guruvan on this, PeopleBrowsr is way better than Seesmic Desktop as a power tool.
- Svartling
Svartling: Thanks! And, you can see by the via on this post, we already have FriendFeed support, and it will improve as well. And, with all the networks that we support, PeopleBrowsr isn't dependent on Twitter. Twitter access is surely the big slice, but we offer the ability to search Facebook, FriendFeed, Digg, Youtube, flickr, and even custom URLs. And, we provide access to Seesmic's network
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
Loic is gonna love this
- David Lloyd
so I go offline for a few hours playing with the kids and Robert launches this conversation when I am quiet and away! Ah! that's fun. If you had written a blog post instead of a friendfeed entry it would definitely be the week-end techmeme headline! Competing with Twitter? Nah I would have to be seriously sick to even think about it. We are just delivering as fast as we can and growing...
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- Loic Le Meur
WOW, what a conversation that was!!
- Micky
Seriously. Robert...I think you just proved the value of (at least) FriendFeed forever more...(And Seesmic too of course!:-)...This is what I get for sleeping, eh?
- Alan Edgett
The newest SD is much nicer than previous from a functional standpoint. I agree that FF support is a must (as well as Seesmic support). I still do not really like the UI, especially on my EEE PC, but even on the 24" monitor it is not as nice as TD. The functionality is better though so I have switched to SD. Really hoping to have the ability to rename saved searches, it is the searching which is so awesome after all.
- Sean Brady
Robert how about a video showing the features or another interview with Loic? Depraved for Content!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Stephen Pickering
Its PeopleBrowsr not Seesmic
- Webferret
So, what is this stuff from the top of the thread about Tweetie using their own servers? Little Snitch tells me that Tweetie for the Mac is communicating with twitter.com and s3.amazonaws.com. Robert?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason: sorry it was Twinkle. I messed up.
- Robert Scoble
It would sure be ironic if the 'openness' of Twitter's API killed them. As far as Seesmic goes, I wouldn't count on it emerging as the winner. I'm not impressed with it at all, most of the reasons being cited or commonly known. It has a lot of work to do before even attempting FriendFeed integration. I think Nambu has a lot of promise actually
- Angus Burton
Starshadow - I know that better font handling is on our short list - i'll go poke the devs to see if I can move it up a couple notches :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Loic: who cares about getting on Techmeme anymore? Not me. I'd rather just have an interesting conversation. Seems like a few people found it here.
- Robert Scoble
Looks to be the ase doesn't it. I was moving to TweetDeck/Twit but now thininking about exiting ofdf to Seesmic
- James Hemby
Robert, you've got me trying both FriendFeed and Seesmic now from this post. Soon enough I'll be on flttr , even.
- Raj Rikhy
Robert, I love TechMeme, I read it multiple times a day. I agree Friendfeed has very active users. Both are small groups on the web, if these groups are enough for you as a conversation, then yeah it's cool. Friendfeed definitely did not make me stop reading techmeme.
- Loic Le Meur
having said that, yes, Friendfeed is coming to Seesmic Desktop
- Loic Le Meur
Loic: I am inviting a bunch of Web innovators to a private room on friendfeed this weekend. It's amazing how many are already here and signed in. They might not be active, but they are active enough to accept my invitations! Watch for yours soon.
- Robert Scoble
Wow all these comments about seesmic! Well this got me really curious, until now I only used Tweetdeck,tried Peoplebrowser, didn't like it, will give Seesmic a chance now. Want to find out for my self, and once again thanks to friendfeed for these discussions!
- Jacob
I view Seesmic Desktop and Tweetdeck as almost next generation web browsers customized for the social web. Will be interesting to see how that dynamic evolves and how the traditional browsers like firefox will fit into the picture going forward.
- Mike Bracco
Loic: I would love to hear what you feel about my above statement and where you see SD fitting in long term/big picture perspective. If you have a link where you have already discussed this, can you send - thanks!
- Mike Bracco
Mike: agreed Loic "Bloomberg for Social media" sums it up perfectly. Also I am not a fan of peoplebrowser think Steamy is cleaner if you want to go untethered. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
- Chad Harris
from email
Chad: Thanks and makes total sense.
- Mike Bracco
Thanks also ment to type "Streamy" not steamy, thumbs need a diet :) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
- Chad Harris
from email
Seesmic Desktop is too buggy for my liking... and I've tried to like it. Userlists are often completely incorrect... and randomly at that. I don't much care for any of the AIR apps. They just don't "feel" good.
- John
Robert: I'm curious - If Twitter decides to use advertising as part of their business model, how will apps like seesmic etc impact Twitter - if they block advertisements, which are displayed on the Twitter web page? If so many users won't see the ads, how will that hurt Twitter's model?
- Jim Connolly
LOL.
- Mona Nomura
damn! this thread is still going! scoble's threads are epic!
- Jason Pollock
Jim: the advertising money is in search. So, what happens if Seesmic Desktop does a metasearch that uses Twitter, Facebook, and friendfeed to present to you the best possible display? Wouldn't that hurt Twitter's ability to sell advertising? I think it would. The one who is in charge of the display controls where the ads go. The one who has the relationship with the user controls the...
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- Robert Scoble
I like Seesmic's functionality but really dislike the interface. It's all a little clunky and a little ugly. Plus the left panel takes up way too much space. Air apps aren't may fav. Seesmic should look at Tweetie on the mac for design ideas.
- Wo
How do you search Facebook on Seesmic?
- Wo
Didn't read all 400+ comments. Seesmic desktop is poopy compared to Nambu. Try Nambu.
- Jason Mayoff
from Nambu
Robert: I'm waiting on my invite :)
- James Poling
from email
does anyone know how many users are registered on friendfeed ? :)
- Pretty Monkey Studio
It has 103.33 million accounts
- David Lloyd
cool thx mark
- Pretty Monkey Studio
can't believe this thread is still active
- Loic Le Meur
Wow this is still going on?? LOL
- Alex Knight
Jason - Nambu is crash happy, at least Seesmic Desktop doesn't crash.
- Alex Knight
Ari... I think the point is you can now drink orange, apple, tomato and grape juice and it all tastes like the same juice. Things like this make 'where' less important than 'what'
- Johnny
Hey Robert, you're attracting again heh!!! Had to take 2 days off after all the fun we had. I LOVE SD, btw.
- Myrna
Twine Is Taking Off, Now Bigger Than FriendFeed http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... (pretty hard 2 believe)
- momonalona
+1 on hyperboles make you think. Just did a twitter search to measure the buzz around twitter clients: tweetie ~70 tweet per hour, tweetdeck ~150 tweet per hour and seesmic ~30 tweet per hour. But seesmic has $12M in the bank and a charismatic leader - It is going to be an interesting fight!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin: TweetDeck also had a multi month lead over Seesmic. That's going to be tough to beat.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yes. The challenge for Loic I think is going to be to carve out a market segment: 1) companies managing their brands and communities, 2) social media power users or 3) normal users. 1) is where the short term revenue is, 2) is where the vocal/buzz people are and 3) is where the mass and long term search revenue. I am not sure that you can design one product which will fit the...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
The future is in a desktop app? Everything else is going web-based, into the cloud, and yet for this alone users will flock to some resource-hog? No way, no how. Be web-based or be content to live with only early adopters.
- Maxwell Kennerly
I'm loving Seesmic desktop - i look forward to what adaptations it will make - I want that friend feed pull-in.
- Robert Freeze
The one thing that I have only seen in Nambu is the unread count. Might be missing something but it is just amazing for having searches in there, for mentions and direct messages. It's just wonderful. And is it not Air which security people will tell you is a major danger spot for hacking.
- Oliver Thylmann
Robert: Thanks for the feedback re Twitter's revenue model. Just a thought, but with this thread having (at this point) 425 comments - is there a chance that FRIENDFEED could be the real competition to Twitter? The quality is already here, just a 'little' light on numbers. Thoughts?
- Jim Connolly
Jim: I think there's something interesting happening here in search and in groups. Those are both places there's potential money, but a lot has to happen before that can happen.
- Robert Scoble
Only if we all get more expensive computers, webcams, etc.
- Prokofy Neva
Robert: Are you referring to FriendFeed needing more active users or for the actual FriendFeed platform to change?
- Jim Connolly
I dont know if Seesmic is a threat for Twitter, but I know Robert Scoble knows well how to create a hot thread.
- Jacque
Jacque: That's what I was thinking. :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Can someone please explain to me how you can search your facebook stream in Seesmic
- Wo
Ari: Not all of these clients are particularly susceptible to Twitter's failwhales. Many features still continue to work, often including search. Some of these clients have backends that cache/queue tweets so even more gets through. So it's not always like having no juice. Furthermore, if you're paying attention to multiple social networks, you're not as concerned or slowed down by one of them becoming inaccessible
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
I've been using Seesmic Desktop for about a week now. I absolutely love it. I have no use for Tweetdeck now. I sometimes use Hootsuite - mostly for their "Hootlet". But Seesmic Desktop is absolutely wonderful in managing my feeds.
- Curt Mercadante
*bumps*
- The Real sofarsoShawn
bump
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Sorry about that Mark, I bumped it for another conversation I was having about redundancy among the apps. And using various ways of analyzing live data coming in through it.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
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That 32-bit editions of Windows Vista are limited to 4GB is not because of any physical or technical constraint on 32-bit operating systems. The 32-bit editions of Windows Vista all contain code for using physical memory above 4GB. Microsoft just doesn’t license you to use that code.
- Leo Laporte
With PAE, you're limited to 3GB per application (if I read the article correctly and remember my own experience right). Is there a lot of real-world instances where a user of 32-bit Vista is experiencing hardship because they can't give more than 3GB of physical memory to an application? I guess I'm having trouble figuring what the author is railing against.
- Kevin Kuphal
32-bit operating systems can't use more than 3-4 gigs of ram. This is technical limitation due to address space. You have to move to 64-bit to address more ram.
- Nate Hollingsworth
PAE is not a "real" answer to the 4GB limit on Windows.
- Nate Hollingsworth
I have 4GB of RAM in my Dell Latitude D830, but it only lets me see 3.5, because the rest is siphoned off to the video card, or some other purpose... :-(
- Joey Gibson
@Leo same stuff in windows XP. fyi, PAE is a slow, buggy, bad temporary hardware hack for 32bit servers with huge amounts of memory and is not designed for desktop PCs. 64-bit does addressing the right way and also happens to be much faster for 64bit versions of software. ignore this, just get x64 :P
- mjc
We may be seeing the start of a larger trend. As memory and disk space become infinate and virtual machines make the idea of paying per user less attractive, companies may license based on the cloud footprint (cpu, disk, mem). That will make power users pay more than small ones.
- Keith Barrett
With the increase in virtualization technology built into Windows 7, I think the 32 bit computing memory limit will be much less of an issue in the future. Wndows 7 is supposedly going to be the last version of 32 bit Windows, so we won't hit another limit until the 16.2 TB (I think?) physical limit with 64 bit computing. Who knows? In 15 years we may be complaining about how small 16 TB of RAM is.
- Dave Benson
64 bits can address 18 quintillion, 446 quadrillion, 744 trillion, 73 billion, 709 million, 551 thousand and 616 bytes, that's 18 exabytes. As in kilobyte(kB) | megabyte(MB) | gigabyte(GB) | terabyte(TB) | petabyte(PB) | exabyte(EB). Any limits below that are imposed by chip designers.
- David Eckard
Server folks know about 8GB switch. Ihttp://www.microsoft.com/whdc.... PAE will get you to 4GB with XP.
- Eric
As for 32 bit limits, 2^32 is 4,294,967,296 bytes and is a physical limit imposed by the chip. No 32 bit OS can address more without trickery and trickery will slow things down. After scanning PAE from that Microsoft link, If you need more than 4 gig, just get a 64 bit OS and run anything that won't run on it in a VM. PAE is the trickery I just mentioned... the chip can not address 8G bit trickery permits it but at a price, speed.
- David Eckard
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- bob
from Bookmarklet
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- Roberto Bonini
Video?
- Kevin Fox
There must be some natural explanation for this... ;)
- Jemm
Funny, I was just about to post this -- only without the photo.
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