"New Super Mario Bros. Wii, like all the previous releases in the Super Mario Bros. franchise is a side-scrolling platforming game where players collect coins as they attempt to make their way through progressively more difficult game levels using their ability to time jumps over obstacles and avoid a slew of enemies. But although the game contain several well-deserved nods to previous games in the series in the form of iconic characters like Mario, Luigi and two Toads, as well as familiar enemies, sound effects and levels, it is not simply another trip down Mario Bros. memory lane. Taking advantage of the flexibility and power of the Wii and Wii Remote, New Super Mario Bros. Wii manages to preserve the retro experience that fans love about the series, while adding new game features. Notable additions among these include, expansive play levels and new powerups and characters, but by far the most important, and in fact game-defining new feature is simultaneous multiplayer."
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
A friend sent on the photo. Don't know the back story but am definitely going to make one up. ; )
- Fossil Huntress
This isn't the time some drug dealers made a run for the border and tossed like a million dollars into the freeway to stop the cops by tying up traffic, is it?
- Victor Ganata
I'm thinking not since the highway is a sea of 5-0 and there doesn't appear to be any litter.
- Fossil Huntress
Ah, but this looks like it's right before the point where they actually did it :) I seem to remember that they let loose right after passing the 805-163 interchange
- Victor Ganata
"Is your pet feeling left in the dirt because of his/her unsightly rear, I’ve got them covered... Rear Gear is handmade in Portland, OR and offers a cheerful solution to be-rid your favorite pet’s un-manicured back side. Rear Gear comes in many designs including a disco ball, air freshener, heart, flower, biohazard, smiley face, number one ribbon, cupcake, sheriff's badge, dice, and you can even make yours custom, so there’s a Rear Gear for everyone."
- Katy S
from Bookmarklet
The really sad thing - I found this under the toys category. I was innocently looking for catnip goodies for my kittehs and this is what I saw.
- Katy S
"The medals, revealed today, each feature a different crop of larger contemporary Aboriginal artworks and are undulating rather than flat -- both firsts in Games history. The dramatic form of the Vancouver 2010 medals is inspired by the ocean waves, drifting snow and mountainous landscape found in the Games region and throughout Canada. The Olympic medals are circular in shape, while the Paralympic medals are a superellipse, or squared circle."
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
does it matter? they're medals. not that big and hanging around a neck, will do fine.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
This typifies everything wrong with modern art. Ugly, pointless, different for its own sake, needing a manual to understand the message the artist failed to convey with the art itself.
- Alex Scrivener
"Vancouver 2010 medals display traditional native 45-RPM-record-left-on-dashboard-in-sun design."
- Alex Scrivener
I think they're beautiful. And I'm no big fan of the Olympics being here.
- cecily
I love them - they look organic and cool, not stodgy or boring like many awards are.
- Sparky Crocker
I think they're lovely, but I'm not sure I'd want one if I'd been a winner in the world's biggest competition.
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
what do you mean about "need a manual to understand the message" - it's in a shiny metal and has olympic rings on it, it's a medal. WHat message?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
It's funny - maybe it's because I live in Vancouver, but as soon as I saw the shape of the medals, I knew they were supposed to reflect upon Vancouver's terrain. First Nations imagery and culture is being used (some say co-opted) in everything VanOC has put their stamp on from the medals to the mascots to the Team Canada hockey sweaters, but the artists, rather than making some of the...
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- cecily
from iPhone
And they're the heaviest medals in Olympic history - each weighs one pound.
- cecily
from iPhone
Telling the truth never makes things as bad as the snowballing of lies to cover lies can. Hurt me once with the truth, I can take that, it is truth. Lies are what makes the truth hurt for much longer, much deeper, once revealed.
- Michael W. May
Well, yes, always tell the truth, that's my policy (but as far as telling someone what I felt about him, I'd just try to avoid saying anything at all, heheh).
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
Am I *that* transparent? :P :) That is a really cool image. I'll give it away... Micah guessed right. I had to use a new technique (new to the sketchbooks, anyway) to capture this image...
- Kamilah Gill
How about a CC (or other copyleft) license so we can use and cite this in presentations?
- Chris Lasher
I guess we now know where some of the Matrix style came from in real life, eh? @Curtiss: That old handle of yours sounds so cyberpunk that I'll probably have to use it as the title of a cyberpunk novel... ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
for me at first glace it looked like the MCP from maybe Tron 2
- Shawn McCollum
It looks like the birthplace of Skynet.
- TrafficBug
@Dennis - In case you weren't aware, the handle Crash Override is from the movie Hackers with Jonny Lee Miller, Matthew Lillard and Angelina Jolie (with Fisher Stevens as the evil corporate hacker and Penn Jillette in a small role as his assistant). Although much of it was ridiculous from a technology perspective, it was still a really fun movie with a fantastic soundtrack (the soundtrack itself actually has two sequels).
- Curtiss Grymala
@Curtiss Grymala - Hackers! great movie! the "Rainbow Books" HA!
- shayne catrett
If those ankles, those hips, and that hand are a woman's...poor girl. Wrong outfit. LOL. (but yeah..it's a dude)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
So what? Does manhood belong to those who wear the stereotype? Did you ask this person how they self identify? What if she told you she's as much a woman as your mama? Would you be satisfied then? This some bullshit, Rahsheen. Real talk, son.
- nakachi
from fftogo
Manhood in the sense I'm talking about here just means you have or recently had a penis. If "she" has a uterus and can bear children, then I would have to agree. I have no problem if someone born male actually wants to be female, but it's the same as with anything else. I'm going to keep it real. If you just look like a dude rolled out of bed, put on his little sister's clothes and...
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- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Yeah, you keepin' it real. Real ignorant. Because you didn't take this picture to comment on the fashion sense. You took the picture and posted it to make a comment on gender. And if we take gender as you define it, you have no grounds to determine if that is a man or a woman in the photo. Raise your eyebrows until their teepees if you can't help yourself. But you're out of place playing gender police. That ain'tcho job.
- nakachi
I have not attempted to define gender. I have merely stated my opinion on what I saw in the photo (which I didn't actually take). I did not peel off those tight capris to see what plumbing was down there, nor did I ask for a medical or mental history. This person just looks like a man to me. I don't see why I'm not allowed to say that. How am I being ignorant?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I love you, Rahsheen. You know I do. But can you really tell me you don't see what's wrong with this?
- nakachi
I guess I'm well outside the boundaries of politically correct. Other than that, no. You'll have to explain because I'm at a loss to see why I'm not allowed to call someone who looks like a man...a man.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
All I can tell you, Rah, is that it's deeper than looks. Much, much, much deeper. The problem with being transgendered or just queer in general in this society is that too many of us cannot, will not go beyond what we think we see.
- nakachi
Until I know the person, it's all I have. You walk around looking and acting like a freakshow, people notice. I'm not going to sit here and try to guess whether this is just a dude that likes dressing like a woman, a gay dude who has taken things too far, or a tranny who picked the wrong outfit. I have no problem with the LGBT community, but that also means I'm going to treat you like...
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- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
And, just for the record, love you too nakachi. I'm just trying to learn something here :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
how is this a picture of someone "looking or acting crazy"? especially when many people think it looked like a female? are females crazy-looking these days?
- Liz
Was speaking in a more general sense since I see that all the time here. Guys, dressed like women, acting all types of extra. As for that last question...I'll leave that for a different thread. :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
"Acting all types of extra?" Okay, see... Rahsheen. No one gets to determine the social parameters of masculinity and femininity independent of all of us. So if a person chooses to dress in a way that makes them feel happy about themselves, who are you to call it "extra"? You don't have to like it. Your vote was not solicited, so who are you to divvy out "treatment"?
- nakachi
As an example: If someone likes to dress up as a clown every day, it is well within my right to not like it or just think it's a little extra. Will I treat them badly or even different because of it? Probably not. It is my opinion that they look ridiculous because the average person just doesn't dress like that, but I'm not going to force it on anyone else. I'm not judging them, I'm not...
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- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Nakachi, no man should try and rock bright red skin-tight capris in public, transgender or not. Some things cannot and should not, be blamed on sexual identity.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
is this conversation REALLY about the outfit? I call shenanigans on that.
- jbrotherlove
I'm disappointed in this post, Rahsheen. is it unexpected / surprising / shocking to see a "man" dressed "like a woman"? I guess it can be, depending on the circumstances. As a black, gay man (who lives in Atlanta), I can certainly confirm that the "kids" can be "extra" sometimes; there's a number of reasons for that. and while a discussion about that might've proven valuable ("I'm just...
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- jbrotherlove
Mark, what I believe you mean is that YOU shouldn't try to rock bright red skin-tight capris in public. To which I reply, "Whatever you say, son."
- nakachi
I think y'all are taking this entirely too deep. A man is wearing clothes that were made for a woman. The clown analogy was only to make it clear that this really has nothing to do with sexuality or gender and more to do with looking ridiculous in public. I caption it "This is a man" because it's a man wearing capris, flip flops, and a damn purse just to name a few things. Yes it's shocking to some, slightly amusing to others. You guys seem to have a problem with anyone pointing it out at all.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
It's your right to do whatever you want in your life, but you can't expect for nobody else to notice. Not like I'm posting the person's home address and sharpening my pitchfork.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Whatever, dude. Let the record show I called bullshit.
- nakachi
Nakachi, I think you are projecting your beliefs. I tend to write exactly want I mean.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Nobody is actually getting to the point here, which is odd to me. If that is, in fact, a man. Why am I wrong for saying so? Is it because that man has on a girl's clothes? Somebody help me out here...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I'll reject any attempt to paint me as some uber-liberal, politically-correct robot. of *course* you would notice; who wouldn't? do you really think I don't laugh at things/people that look "funny" to me? but you didn't write "look at this awful outfit" in which you may have had a point (it's not particularly remarkable to me one way or another). but you wrote "this is a man". and then...
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- jbrotherlove
Rahsheen, this is what I'm hearing: you saw (what you believe to be) a "man" dressed like a "woman" (perhaps, ridiculously so) and thought you would share, right? you're not unusual. believe me, I get it. I get how you - or anybody, really - would be shocked or find it hilarious (I see it everyday). I'm just not one of those people.
- jbrotherlove
I wrote, "this is a man" to make it obvious why I bothered to post this. This is a man dressed like a girl. Not only that, it's a man dressed in a horrible girl outfit. Mean spirited? Kinda. Just like some of the other things I've posted. Like dude in those tight-ass jeans the other day or various people parking like assholes at my job. Am I making fun of their gender/sexuality? Nope....
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- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Nakachi, it is unfortunate that you can't have a conversation or have a difference of opinion without being rude and condescending.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
And this one is as easy as just asking... Rah, was your post about a man wearing women's clothing or about a man wearing a ridiculous outfit?
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Yeah, I'm kind of on nakachi and j. brotherlove's side in this discussion. And by 'kind of' I mean totally. Sorry Rah, but this just reeks of "HAW HAW look at teh freak!" to me, even if you didn't intend it that way.
- cecily
No, and I don't think "bother" is the right word. I'm good friends with a few women who rock jeans and a t-shirt on a regular basis or who go with a dress shirt and slacks.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Mark, It was about a man wearing ridiculous women's clothing with the attitude to match. I didn't think it would spark such heated discussion.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
What exactly is ridiculous about the outfit? Because I'm telling you, other than the fuzzy houseshoes (really?), s/he is dressed like about a dozen other women I passed in Vancouver over the course of my day.
- cecily
I'm not sure I'm entirely disagreeing with "HAW HAW look at teh freak!" and to be honest, I'm still not seeing where the line is being drawn. Is it wrong for me to classify certain clothes as being for a male or female? Is it wrong for me to notice a man dressing in clothes made for a woman or vice versa? Or, is it just wrong to post a pic of someone who might possibly be having gender identity issues?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I don't think the person is having the issues Rah. I think *you* are having issues with someone who chooses to dress in a fashion that they feel helps them express their identity to the world. It's just that you don't happen to agree with their method of expression.
- cecily
Amber, I like women who dress like men. *bats eyelashes*
- cecily
Cecily, correct me if I'm wrong, but at no point in this thread have I disagreed with what you just said. Is it wrong for me to disagree with someone's method of expression?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Nope, I'm not saying it's wrong at all Rah. Just saying what I'm seeing and trying to understand your position.
- cecily
I think what Nakachi and J. were getting at is that if this were only about the clothes, then your post might've read "Look at this fucked up outfit." Instead, you chose to call out gender in this instance, which raises flags. Plus, there's also the fact that you used the word "tranny", which most transgendered activists would tell you is kind of the equivalent of a white person using the 'N' word. If you're not a member of that community, it can't be taken in any other way except as a pejorative.
- cecily
Rah, you just seem so positive that it is a man, that you keep making comments about, "a man wearing ridiculous women's clothes with an additude to match." "This is a man dressed like a girl. Not only that, it's a man dressed in a horrible girl outfit." I just find it odd that even though it's an assumption you seem so positive about that it isn't just a flat-assed woman with horrible ligaments, and bad elbows.
- Jimminy
So despite your protestations to the contrary, the fact that you made this post about gender (instead of fashion) and did so by using derogatory terms reads like you've got some concerns (for lack of a better term) about gender representation, and some firmly held beliefs about what is "right" and what is "wrong". And you know - if that's the case so be it - but I just don't understand your reaction to people pointing that out.
- cecily
So, finally, someone gets to the point. I only said tranny because I was not aware it was a derogatory term. I apologize for that. I call out gender because one more female with a silly outfit on wouldn't be worth posting. I never said this post wast just about clothes. I have no beliefs about gender or sexuality, which is exactly why I have a problem with people pointing it out. If a dude wants to dress like a woman, that's fine, but I just felt like this was pushing the boundaries of ridiculous.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Full on dress as men, Amber? I'm not sure what that entails. Men are pretty boring in what they wear, so a woman dressing like a man isn't all that exciting.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
And as to why it's wrong... the only analogy I've been able to come up with is that it would be like someone continuing to call you "boy" even though you identify as a grown man. The person calling you boy is doing it to reduce you in their eyes, to "put you in your place", so to speak. It's about power, and power relations. So by your insisting on calling this person a "man" when you...
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- cecily
Cecily, you just deployed argumentum ad populatum. Just because a lot of people wear ridiculous outfits in Vancouver, does not make such an outfit any less ridiculous.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
And what Amber is getting at isn't Janet Jackson in the "I Get So Lonely" video - it's more like Skyler Cooper, pictured here: http://www.tophotbutches.com/the-200.... It's when a woman takes on all the outward trappings of masculinity - even down to the underwear in some cases - so that their outward appearance matches their gender identity in their heads. Some may...
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- cecily
Mark, how is it ridiculous? It's capri pants and a t-shirt. I wear capri pants and a t-shirt pretty much all summer long, but I doubt anyone would object to it - unless they object to fat women in capri pants.
- cecily
Cecily, you make good points, but I haven't posted who this person is. I've only stated that they are a man...which they probably are. Whether they identify as male is irrelevant. I'm talking about what I see in the photo. Others actually have doubts. Now, does type of exposure hurt...or help?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
But you don't *know* if they're male or female Rah. And if the person is tucking, or if they've had the full surgery, what this person calls her/himself is far more important than whatever label you want to put on them. Call people what they want to be called - not what you think they should be called. Gender is more than what a person is or isn't packing in his/her pants/bra cups.
- cecily
is this a witch hunt? or is this the trial going on?
- Gus
And Rah, I think you know me well enough to know that I'm not trying to harangue you. I'm hoping to understand you, and hoping to help you understand what other people are saying. I'll say it again - believe what you want to believe. It's a free country. But I know you know when you put stuff out there, people might call you on it. And that's what is going on in this thread, despite any derailing comments such as "witch hunts" (which are SO NOT HELPFUL).
- cecily
Cecily - 1: I like bigger women; 2: There is no way you can tell me with a straight face, that outfit is flattering on that man. Unlike gender identity, fashion is a choice; 3: For all we know, that's a very heterosexual transvestite; 4. It's still a ridiculous outfit.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Mark, I wish my ass looked that good in a pair of capri pants. The only thing I question about this outfit is the fuzzy houseshoes outside in broad daylight. But apparently, nobody else is twigging on that - it's because a "man" is wearing "womens" clothing, which is all about forcing rigid gender identity roles on people.
- cecily
Cecily, I've already touched on this, but nobody can look at you and see what's in your heart. What they can do as look at you in see whether you are male or female. I'm pretty sure there is science behind that. Now, in reality, that science doesn't always work out because there are other issues at work. But, if someone *looks* like a man, they are a man to like 90% of people out there....
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- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
So why make it about gender at all, Rah? Or going even beyond that, why make any assumptions at all? Why not just look at a person and not make a comment at all, let alone take a picture of them without their knowledge and post it on the internet?
- cecily
Rah, as far as I know the scientifically proven psychological gender discrimination part of the human brain only works with faces and voices.
- Jimminy
Well, in retrospect, it did cause a discussion. Maybe it's not a man, maybe it's a woman with no curves, big hands, and ashy ankles. But, I found it interesting and the story behind it was that it was a man with a fierce walk. If you don't actually know what you're looking at, though..how can you ever accept it? It's like people saying they're color-blind when it comes to race. It doesn't make sense to ignore differences as it does to acknowledge and accept them.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Cecily - If Rah had simply posted a photo of a man in women's clothing, that would be one thing, but he didn't. If Rah had posted a picture of a man wearing women's makeup and jewelry, that would be another, but he didn't. If Rah had posted a picture of a man in women's lingerie, that would be yet another... But he didn't. My perception of his post was that he was poking fun at the...
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- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Agreed with Mark on that one. The primary reason I posted it was because of the outfit and the fact that it was a man wearing it, which just made it more crazy. Otherwise, it wouldn't be interesting.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Remind me to burn my copy of Mrs. Doubtfire. Thanks to this thread, I've been enlightened to the fact that cross-dressing should never be considered ridiculous or humorous.
- Gus
Well, when you put it like that Rah - seriously - I see girls/women dressed like this ALL DAY, EVERY DAY. and while it's not the epitome of high fashion (could even be seen as "tacky" or "ghetto"); it doesn't look out of the ordinary enough to me to be surprised [okay, Cecily's right; what's up with the fuzzy slippers?] so... since *I* didn't see the outfit as particularly outrageous (I...
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- jbrotherlove
I got to thinking, how do we determine what gender the person is forensically, assuming the tiles are 6x6 and they are 6 high, so that's 36in, average counter height, but the person is less than 2x this measurement by a considerable bit, even by eyeballing it, I'd guess about 6inches. Totally 66in 5'6". This is considerably short for a man, so it's most likely a woman.
- Jimminy
if each tile is 6 inches, this individual is exactly 6'2" tall. since there are no women in the world who are this tall, we can only conclude this is a man... confirming the eye-witness testimony.
- Gus
Gus, the person isn't quite 2x times as tall. I've measured the via scale, using photoshop, it comes out to around 5'4". Also, Rah didn't actually see this in person, thus no eye-witness testimony.
- Jimminy
lol, if you can't detect sarcasm and wanna get technical, don't forget the floor doesn't start at the yellow tiles... and the subject's head extends beyond the border.
- Gus
Gus, I took that into account, still doing more number crunching but it's right at 5'4" -5'5". I'm uber technical.
- Jimminy
oky doky, but you counted tiles incorrectly in your example. :)
- Gus
Gus, technically I did, but I factored the 2 partial tiles into one, there is generally a basing tile, which is 3-4in in height, and then the very top tiles weren't full tiles, the lip adds a little bit of height do to the camera perspective. I just factored these to tiles into 1 single tile. lol :)
- Jimminy
j pretty much said what I was feeling/thinking about this whole post.
- Liz
There is no way that person is 5'4-5'5, they have to be nearly 6' if we're estimating that counter is 3' tall. Show us your photoshop stats so we can visually see where you're going wrong. Also highlight the sideboob.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
J, Cecily and Nakachi -- y'all did an excellent job in this thread. Rahsheen, I don't hate you because of this thread, but I hope you have been educated by it. This is an issue that is especially close to my heart, as I have more than one transgendered friend.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
The only thing I can gather from this thread is that looking at someone and assuming their gender is wrong. Apparently, this is a touchy subject for some of you, but no one has actually explained the Why of it. Assuming it's a man in capri pants and fuzzy slippers, I don't see why I'm not allowed to say WTF. Also, according to Jimminy's math, I'm *considerably* short for a man, so I'm most likely a woman?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
You missed the point Rah. Calling "WTF" on a man wearing women's clothes is just as bad as calling "WTF" on a black man wearing a business suit. At some point it has become acceptable for a man to wear women's clothes whether because they find it more comfortable or because it helps him identify as a woman. Calling "WTF" on that reeks of intolerance.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Ah, and maybe that it why this thread even went so far. I'm not calling WTF simply on a man wearing women's clothes. I'm calling WTF on a man wearing this particular women's outfit.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
See, before this got out of hand, I thought that the joke was on Rahsheen, like "I was checking out this dude's ass for a good two minutes before I realized he was a dude."
- Steve is older than ever
Lindsey summed up this thread and the reactions to it really, really well.
- cecily
Except that what Lindsey said has nothing to do with why I posted this. No offense to Lindsey as assumptions were made early on, which is the only reason this thread is so damn long.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Then I guess I am still unclear as to what the point of this post was? Can you explain?
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Yes. I found this outfit to look ridiculous and unflattering, especially on a man. I copied the image and caption verbatim from elsewhere. The first few responses were mostly what I expected, but I didn't expect anyone to feel a way about such a simple caption.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
So then you caused the confusion on your own post. With no explanation and no other caption other than "This is a man" how can you *not* expect that people would think that is what you were poking fun at? This post and your new African-American one go hand in hand. Without any explanations as to what it is *you* found interesting about the picture or why you chose to post it, you can't get mad at people for determing your intentions on their own based on what is said in the post/caption.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Oh, so it's ok to assume things about something based on what you see before you? I thought that is what everyone was upset about. Now, I'm really confused.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
And, for the record, I am not mad. Just trying to understand exactly WTF happened here.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Boy, please. You are cleverly trying to semantically argue my point. You know exactly what I am saying, and you know exactly what you did when you posted this. Simply posting "This is a man" and leaving it at that with no further explanation, you *had* to know what you were going for. It wasn't an innocent "oh hey, look at this ugly outfit" post, so let's get off that. You left the post...
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- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
I don't know if you noticed, Mo, but that's pretty much how I do with all of my posts. I sometimes post things before I've even formed any real opinion on it. I want to see what others think. With this particular image, I've already stated my initial reaction. I posted here to see what would happen, just like with anything else. The only time I post things with any real forethought is on a blog and sometimes those are only partially complete thoughts.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Well, then you can continue to expect this type of backlash on posts like these when you offer no other explanation, and you shouldn't be so shocked by it.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
I had a similar sighting a few weeks ago with a buddy of mine. The exchange was hillarious with a "id throw her one" comments. When we discovered the 6 ft 4 in heels gal was in fact a dude, we could only shrug and say, "that guy has sweet legs, he must work out." :)
- Sean Oliver
What Mo said. We have context *now* that we didn't have before. People misunderstood your meaning, Rah. We asked for clarification, and tried to work it out. But IONO, throwing up your hands and claiming exasperation when we misunderstood your message seems like you're locking the door after the horse has already run out of the barn.
- cecily
And you did see what others thought on this post. It's just that some of the more vocal posters in the thread (*raises hand*) questioned your thought process more than the post itself. Am I off base, or did that rankle you a little bit?
- cecily
I'd like an answer to Cecily's question as well. Is it that people questioned your intent that has you boggled?
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
I think a better way of initiating this conversation knowing Rah's character would have been to give him the benefit of the doubt, ask for specifics about his attitudes towards transgenders and/or transvestites and reserve judgment until after he had a chance to explain his motivation. Having followed Rah for well over a year, I've never known him to be a hurtful or "ignorant" person....
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- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
I agree with what's been said re transgender issues, but what's with the apparent majority consensus that it would be fine to just ridicule the outfit? Why is that a valid and important use of time? Does anyone here actually believe that there is a single outfit in existence that wouldn't look stupid to somebody? Laughing in your head is one thing, but publicly posting someone's image...
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- Lo
Is the witch hunt still going or has the execution taken place? Robin Williams is next... for making people laugh at the concept of a man dressing up as a woman in Mrs. Doubtfire.
- Gus
Gus I'm going to say this as nicely as I can - STFU and stop trying to derail the thread with accusations that are NOT HELPFUL. This is not a witch hunt - AFAICT, this is a reasonable discussion amongst adults.
- cecily
I love that Jimminy got all forensic in determining height.
- Joe
and I don't know many reasonable discussions where "shut the fuck up" is part of it. Do you? Usually those words are a pretext for punches being thrown.
- Joe
My statement did not derail this witch hunt disguised as a reasonable discussion.
- Gus
Everyone else was being reasonable, Joe - Gus wasn't. Why try to reason with an unreasonable person?
- cecily
And where did I say "fuck"? See, making assumptions again. :)
- cecily
Gus, using Mrs Doubtfire as an example in this thread is a false analogy. Robin William's character was an actor using a disguise to spend time with his kids. The movie had nothing to do with the character's sexual preference, gender identity, or a psychological/sexual need to wear women's clothing.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Yeah, I'm nouning some shit up here don't worry about it. Now I'm verbing some shit.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
I'm going to start a collection up so FF can send you to troll school to learn how it's done.
- Dragon Goldmaplethorpe
Mark, the premise of the humor in that movie is the ridiculousness of a man dressing as a woman.
- Gus
Andrea - why don't you start a collection to teach you how to write research papers and to help move you out from under that rock where you live dear. ;)
- Joe
Call me when you can do better then bite @ my ankles.
- Joe
"Nouning up some shit." I do believe Andrea just coined my favourite phrase of the day.
- cecily
Valid and important use of time? Is that a determining criteria for posting on FriendFeed or the Internet in general? Fashion is a choice and/or a decision. Gender identity, sexual preference, and somtimes cultural identity, isn't. It's one thing to be accepting of who someone is, it's another to be accepting of what someone chooses to do, and that's the dividing line. And by cultural...
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- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Gus, I think you and I may have a difference of opinion on that. The disguise in Mrs. Doubtfire is used as a fish-out-of-water device. The Bird Cage might be a better example of a comedy that touches upon issues of gender and sexuality.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Mark, the basis of the humor in Mrs. Doubtfire is a man dressing as a woman, for whatever reason. You don't have to dissect it. It's an obvious fact.
- Gus
man oh man....the things I could do wit dat!!!!!
- Jeremy
i felt it was a hurtful thing to ridicule somebody for what they wear.Strange how uptight people get when men wear colorful or feminine clothes, while women can wear anything they want and rarely get ridiculed for it. Some people sure have double standards, this is a putdown just like racism
- daviza
Mark, I'm not going to dissect my own sarcasm. You're on your own there. :)
- Gus
The bishop of rome wears a funny-looking hat. OK, now where's the line of people ready to publicly express their outrage for my posting a personal opinion about someone's choice of clothing?
- Gus
he's got better legs and butt than me! Kudos!
- Melissa
choice or not, the hat is still funny-looking.
- Gus
At first I was confused because I didn't realize what was going on. As the thread progressed, I realized that y'all probably thought I had a problem with LGBT folks, which is ridiculous at best. Now that we've come this far, I'm confused and a little upset at how this went down.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I finally saw this photo from a large TFT instead of from my iPhone. Those are scuffs, people. Not fuzzy slippers.
- Mark Davidson
Mark, as far as I know there is no "determining criteria for posting on FF," and if there is it wasn't laid down by me. I ask myself whether I'm using my time in a constructive and important way not because it's the rules, but because I don't want to think "OH SHIT DO-OVER PLEASE!!!" right before I die. Also, it wasn't explicitly stated but my original post was meant to imply that if...
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- Lo
Just heard this guy (Illmaculate) use "he'd rather debating the finer points of html vs flash with his nerdy ass, what'cha goin do bust a caps lock in my ass?" as a line in a rap battle, freaking AWESOME.
he's no joke. whenever he's in northern California, ill records at mi studio; Omina Labs. him and battle rap vet Chase Moore have TWO albums dropping soon, as a duet! the beats are bananas!!
- Tofu De la Moore
from BuddyFeed
No Homo. Cam'ron and the Diplomats are, ironically, among the most homoerotic MCs in rap. They wear pink and purple furs and brag regularly about how good they look. In the video for "Pop Champagne," Jim Jones and Juelz Santana giddily douse each other with frothy white geysers of bubbly.Similarly, Lil Wayne has been photographed kissing his mentor, the rapper Baby, on the lips and cultivates a shirtless, slithering, rock-star-worthy air of libertine sexuality. Similarly, Lil Wayne has been photographed kissing his mentor, the rapper Baby, on the lips and cultivates a shirtless, slithering, rock-star-worthy air of libertine sexuality.
- cysko
from Bookmarklet
I don't mind the sand, but I hate being in the sun for more than a few minutes. UV rays are eeeeeeeeeeeevil. Good to see you wearing such great sun protection :o)
- Mellissa Jane
The foster kittens got called up to the show - they are headed into the shelter tomorrow for a big Labor Day weekend deal and they aren't coming back... we'll miss the little beans.
they are an amazingly sweet little group of kittens. I know they will have no trouble finding great homes.
- Bren, Photophobe
Kris cried, and I had to work pretty hard not to. They're going to make a couple of families very happy, because they are fabulous kittehs!
- Bren, Photophobe
from iPhone
I don't think I could handle being a foster home for cats. I would want to just keep them!
- Cheryl Jones
thanx for info... but I'm a bit scared to check it. My last experience with newcomer Ffollo ended up with 1k new subscriptions, 50% of them being Turks, 30% Italians and the rest were other Europeans. So now I feel myself as a Buridan's donkey - wishing to make mass unfollow but fearing to lose some interesting persons that I've already found in this heap )
- antisocializationeur
@socializationeur Create friend lists to sort your subscriptions, dropping people into lists as you follow them. You can also drop the people you are already following into lists too, rather than unsubscribing and losing them. It makes it all much easier to handle, especially when you are subscribed to a lot of people.
- April Russo (app103)
That's awesome! (Whoa. There are a bunch of people I thought I subscribed to that I haven't. Fixing that right now...)
- Jennifer Dittrich
Note to self: check at least monthly.
- Polly Potter
"FriendFeed is still a parasite on a pimple on Twitter’s ass." // lmfao, why don't I read his stuff more often? haha
- Holden Page
Wow, and Steve Gilmore can sure turn a phrase, also: "I still can’t get past the reality that when Twitter farts, FriendFeed becomes a complete and total gasbag." It goes downhill from there.
- Rex Hammock
Steve: that post, it was odd. I am not sure what you were trying to say either lol
- Holden Page
oh, well, that's never happened before :)
- Steve Gillmor
holden: can u splain the activia ref?
- Steve Gillmor
The whole article, Steve. Why does he blame FriendFeed? Is it like blaming Drew's cancer, or something? And why anyone thinks Twitter is better than this is beyond me. (Just realized you're the Steve who wrote it.) Still don't get it. Why do you think Twitter is better?
- Kimber Scott
Kimber: Where do I say Twitter is better. It just is. And FriendFeed brings out whatever that is.
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, what was the point of this post?
- Holden Page
Steve - Twitter is better at giving voice to teeth whitening moms and life coaches. You can't use Twitter without using some sort of third-party thing. (I use Tweetdeck and FF.) I much prefer spending my time here and checking in there. I have my rooms here. I don't have to click on anything to see a picture. I can talk as long as I want in one post. Liking is much better than RTing and...
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- Kimber Scott
That was funniest Gilmor post I've read. Read it three times and still trying to understand the point but it was great.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yeah. Yet another journalist who doesn't know how to use FF. Why do I think this? B/c in his screenshot Louis or Robert were telling him how to use it! haha.
- anna sauce
No offense, Steve, but I'd like someone with a big following to review FriendFeed who actually knows how to use it. Perhaps the ease-of-use is way past these folks? I doubt it. Or whip out the old "I don't have time/ I have a job." Yet, these people spend their time reviewing, and using, technology. So.... still unclear on why the non-power-users are reviewing it.
- anna sauce
As I said, I'm not a geek and I had no trouble figuring FriendFeed out. It's really not that hard. Really. Actually, it's easier than Twitter. First: You don't have to figure out what it's for. You "get it" right away. It's obviously a communication tool. Second: if you want to jump in on a conversation, which you can actually have on FriendFeed, and as I did with this one, you don't...
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- Kimber Scott
anna I am a power user. Kimber I love FriendFeed but also know why it exists. How hard is it to understand that there is a hugely dynamic symbiotic relationship between the two platforms, dominated by Twitter's reach and FF's depth. Holden, the point was to communicate, which it definitely is doing. And even developers like Dave choose not to explain some of what they write. Activia means what?
- Steve Gillmor
Activia is a company that makes yogurt that aids in getting the bowels flowing...
- Ryan
So, Steve, what you're saying then is there is a symbiotic relationship between a parasite on a pimple on an ass and a body as a whole? That seems like a one way relationship to me and it doesn't reflect kindly on FriendFeed. So, I guess what I don't get, getting back to my original comment, is how you can love FriendFeed and still call it a parasitic ass-pimple eater.
- Kimber Scott
from email
Ryan ahh thanks I use Metamucil when I have that problem, but this piece came easily
- Steve Gillmor
Kimber it's a reference to the original post, and it represents a size relationship in the post Oprah Twitterscape. And one organism's pimple is another's home sweet home. I love host and tenant, one more than the other -- which you'll have to ask elsewhere for the "answer."
- Steve Gillmor
Couldn't you just blame Friendfeed once and be done with it in under 140 chars?
- ianf ⌘
is anyone else wondering where gillmor gets off not googling things for himself? steve... double click the word, right click it, and do the search google option in the context menu... i really is that simple
- Chris Heath
Guess it's nice that you think you're a power user, but you haven't really shown here that you are. Upset with the "gasbag" of FF? Follow new people. Create lists. Get off the main feed. Trim your subscriptions. You can't complain about the content (well, I can) unless you either know the various ways around it. Then you can complain. Otherwise, it just seems that you, like most of the people reviewing FF, have no idea how to use it.
- anna sauce
This whole thread is one the funniest things I have read in a long time, including the post that started it all! Thanks to everyone.
- frankiecarl
Unfortunately Steve is right, if Twitter goes down, the quality of realtime information in FF decreases... it is still the best client for Twitter but sharing and discovery still happens first on the fail whale network
- Alberto Saavedra
from Nambu
Holy smokes! I agree w/Frankiecarl, this is hilarious.
- Mark Evans
from iPhone
I commented on Steve's article, because I felt there was way more he could have written about the actual problem, the DDoS attack. However, there is one thing that bugs even me sometimes. It's one thing to have the best platform amongst social media, but it needs to be demonstrated in times like this. Needs a few more people using the strengths of FF to do a bit of citizen journalism.
- George Hall (Australia)
Alberto, that's exactly my concern in the future as Friendfeed grows. As mass mainstream enters, quality the way we think of it decreases to Twitter Trending Topics.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
ianf: no. anna: what makes you think gasbag is not a term of endearment? George: it's really simple, FF's fault. Chris: I don't use search except as a spell checker, and I trust Dave WIner's spelling implicitly.
- Steve Gillmor
This is a hysterical thread in response to one of the funniest posts i've read in a long time. the stuff about Steve not Googling for himself...that's just rockin' funny. thx for the laugh. I needed it.
- Karoli
ff's fault only in that they don't always take opportunities to demonstate FF in such times NOT for what's happened.
- George Hall (Australia)
from BuddyFeed
how could you possibly know what happened. Me, I Blame FriendFeed
- Steve Gillmor
Why is Blame always capitalized? I feel like I'm missing out on something.
- Jonathan Langdale
Why, Steve? Why? What did FriendFeed do? I shouldn't even respond to this silly post anymore. It's almost like you're an artist who's painted a mess and is being vague about it with the hope that people might get the impression it must really "mean" something. Twitter goes down from a DOS attack and you Blame FriendFeed, but you love FriendFeed. You sound like my ex-husband.
- Kimber Scott
from email
Give the resources of TechCrunch to Twitter and just stop spreading shit like this over the web. Everything will be good.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Alberto, when Twitter went down, my FriendFeed folks continued to serve me quality contents. Really.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Steve, your article made perfect sense to me. Sorry others didn't agree. It's clear that the tweetstream is the core of FF's value to most people, even if FF has oodles of other features that we "native" FFers get a lot more mileage out of.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Why doesn't everyone just pick a horse and ride it? This quibbling over platforms is tiresome.
- ZuDfunck
Daniel: wasn't too hard, was it. thx
- Steve Gillmor
i'm a tad inebriated, but still... wha? if twitter is the be all end all of online communications then we're f'd... seriously (in an inebriated kind of way)
- Chris Heath
and by 'be all end all' i mean 'end all be all' and by that i mean 'core of FF's value to most people'
- Chris Heath
Is it because I've just exited the 25-54 demo and now face the death panel, or does anyone else detect some ageism in comments about Steve's opinions on tech? I noticed it when GG was on Leo's network, too, from commenters who needed to teach the old men about things only a gen-xer or younger could possibly comprehend. I get it from younger people, too, who KNOW I won't be able...
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- Amyloo
like which comments Amyloo? sometimes stuff like that can be unintentional just because a younger generation's social norms deviate from the past generation and your perceptions are different than their intentions - misunderstandings and miscommunication are some of the pitfalls that are abound in life (and even more so in online life where there's not facial expression or tone and inflection of voice to give other social weight and cues to our words).
- Chris Heath
in regards to steve, his style, and the reactions that his writings and online activities provoke: I think steve is either 1) trying to 'stir the pot' to 'get a rise' out of a certain type of person in a john c dvorak kind of way, 2) maybe he's really just a crotchety old man, and i mean that in the kindest of ways that a stranger can say that about someone or 3) something else -- and i...
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- Chris Heath
chris: I write something, people comment, I comment back. Pot is constantly stirred, doesn't need any extra. some people are trying to inflict damage by calling me old, or fat, or whatever. it usually say more about them since I am 60, fat, and whatever. The ageism thing is subjective: I could outlive all of them or none of them. WHo knows. Their problem, not mine.
- Steve Gillmor
"“The bombs are dropping on Beirut with Snoop Doggy Dogg!” said rap music fan Nick Haddad as he walked out of the show in the Lebanese capital this past weekend. The 18-year-old Lebanese Canadian was of course referring to the “bombs” in the lyrics of Snoop Dogg’s raps, not the other bombs that some people may associate with Beirut. At 1 a.m., Haddad and his 16-year-old British friend of Lebanese descent were looking to find the Snoop Dogg after-party, by no means the first A-List gathering seen in Beirut this summer. The American rapper has followed in the footsteps of Paris Hilton and Charles Aznavour as the latest international "name" on everyone's lips in this newly calm city. He entertained several thousand people at a convention center near downtown Beirut on Thursday night."
- tiffany
from Bookmarklet
Beirut is one of those places, along with Damascus that I have always wanted to visit. What can I say? I am intrigued by places where bombings and explosions were frequent in the 1980s.
- tiffany
I'm sorry, I'm just LOL'ing my ass off right now at the pic.
- Derrick
What intrigues you about places that have been blown up during the age of Reagan?
- Jason Toney
hell if i know jason. i think it's curiosity. my reaction after the mumbai attacks was "wow. now i want to go to mumbai." i guess i want to see what it's like after hearing about this bombing or that bombing. now that americans can go to libya, i *totally* want to see what tripoli is like... but that probably has to do with a NYT article i saw from a couple of years ago.
- tiffany
You should come to Ireland. We bombed the shit out of each other in the 80's. Unlike Beirut though the weather is shite and the natives are not quite so, ahem, how should I put it, easy on the eye.
- David Hall
heh heh ... dublin is on my list of cities to visit once i get enough money or nerve to quit my job, sell my house and travel around the world for a year or two
- tiffany
As of Saturday my parent's home was still there when my dad left. He stayed on the roof with a hose fighting it by himself. The firefighters helped him fight it for a while. They used a pump to pump water from the swimming pool to fight it but eventually the firefighters gave up. The neighbors house burned down. My dad was able to save our house, at least as of Sat. afternoon. It may be gone now. He was going to try and hike back in on Saturday night in order to bypass the roadblock by the Sherriff, but wasn't able to get back in there.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
I think the house may be ok. Well see. On Sat. night when I talked to my mom she said that he'd been able to save the house fighting the fire from the roof. But a storage/garage type structure on the property burned down and 3 cars were lost as of Sat afternoon. The whole thing could be gone now though.
- Thomas Hawk
Oh, Thomas! Many prayers, warm thoughts (warm = the affectionate kind, not the fiery kind), and hugs to you and your family. I hope everyone is safe!
- Ladybug Heather
Oh, man...I am sorry to hear that, TH. Thoughts & prayers to you and your family.
- JA Castillo
they are all safe. my mom was in ventura giving a seminar and my dad stayed until the fire burned through the property on the canyon. There were still hot spots though that could have flared up. He left on Sat. afternoon after saving the home and the fire burned through the property. I think he wanted to get to town as there's no phone/electricity up there to let everyone know he was...
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- Thomas Hawk
Oh, sh*t!! That's awful. Glad to hear your folks are OK, Thomas.
- Andrew Terry
Sending good thoughts your parents way, Thomas. *hugs*
- Mol, Time Warping
I'm so sorry, Thomas. You and family are in prayers, I'm so glad to hear that you are all safe. Your father is a very brave man. Please let them know I am praying for them.
- Melanie Reed
So scary. Best wishes to your folks. The worry must be unbearable.
- Kathy Fitch
I've lived in Altadena/Pasadena for the bulk of my time in Los Angeles, nearly ten years. It's really scary to know that some of the homes that are being lost are undoubtedly friends or relatives of friends and people that I know.
- Derrick
Hope everything turns out good for your parents, looks terrifying
- Kim Landwehr
Hope everything turns out alright, with no more property loss, for your parents!
- Rene Wirtz
How scary and terrible! I'm glad that your parents are ok, though!!
- Susan Dennis
I'm so glad everyone is ok. I'll keep your family in my prayers.
- ChiliMac
I'm glad everyone is safe. Is this the worst fire season in recent years?
- Bryan R. Adams
yeah. this is the worst fire since the fire that burned through there maybe in 1977 or so? I remember that one too. It was pretty bad. This one seems worse though. The other thing that's terrible are the floods that follow the fires the next winter.
- Thomas Hawk
Scary things fires like these. Glad to hear your family's safe though - at the end of the day that's more important than the house.
- John
Really scary. I saw a wildfire up close for the first time this weekend in Yosemite. It's not something I hope to be near again.
- Kevin Pedraja
So sorry to hear this. Good to know that your parents are safe.
- Anne Yeh
ohhhhhhh shit! that totally sucks :-(
- Ralph Reijs
Thomas I am so sorry. I hope their house is ok. Gosh, I feel bad for you guys.
- Jim Williams
I talked with my dad on the phone for the first time today. He seemed fine about it all. He said it was exciting actually. He was the only one there fighting the fire for a long time. He said it was really quiet except for sounds of the fire. He'd hear a tree fall and yell "timber." He was in pretty good spirits all things considered. He's pretty sure the house is saved and hopes that they might escort residents back in in the next few days sometimes in this part of Big Tujunga Canyon.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm sorry to hear about this, but I'm glad everyone is okay!
- Michael Fidler
It is a story all to familiar for us Australians and thankfully my family and I have never been caught up in it ourselves, but have come very close. Glad to hear that your folks are ok and in the least have a story to tell. Everything is replaceable except your life and these types of events bring people to that realisation faster than they would like unfortunately.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
WHOA! I hated the CA wildfires ..that was something I'll never miss again... augh
- Susan Beebe
Man ,, TH.. Im so glad that the folks are ok ... tell Dad to leave the firefighting to the young guys ,, hope that the folks are safe and that the weather can drop some rain to assist in this disaster ,,
- johnpiercy
TH .. all that matters is that the folks .. are safe ,, homes can be rebuilt .. best wishes sincerely jp
- johnpiercy
he's a pretty crazy but resourceful old dude actually. the firefighters were there helping him for a while but they bailed on the property figuring they couldn't save it and he stayed and fought it off himself.
- Thomas Hawk
Hope the house is okay. Glad to hear the folks are safe. Cheers!
- Helen Sventitsky
Can't think of anything more scary than having to run from your house as it's being surrounded by fire. Very glad everyone is safe though....that's what is important.
- Bonnie Foster
So glad to hear your folks are safe, TH. Wow. Praying for the firefighters and rest of the people caught in this horrible fire season. :-|
- Lisa L. Seifert
OMG! that's really dreadful! glad to know your folks are safe. and stunned that the fire looks so beautiful in this image!
- B.L. Ochman
Yeah WOW. So brave for your dad to fight the fire all by himself. I'm glad to hear he's ok.. I feel a little sorry about their house, it's beautiful :(
- Bicentennial (Franc)
So sorry they have to go through this. Thank you for sharing the story, Thomas.
- Micah Wittman
I was listening to a story on the radio about how quickly you can be engulfed by a forest fire, specially when certain types of trees literally explode raining burning chunks around, honestly, it sounds very risky to stay behind and fight these yourself.
- Ray Cromwell
Thomas, I hope your parents house makes it though the fire OK. I'm glad to hear that your parents are OK, regardless of what happens to the house.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I feel for you Thomas because I've been there just over 6months ago. All I can say is (unfortunately) you're in for a shite of a year ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Peter Renshaw
glad to hear your folks got out - terrible to see the devastation!
- Kate
glad to hear they're OK but gutted for you TH
- Phill Price
Sorry to hear about your troubles Thomas, but I'm extremely glad your parents are safe and sound. Looks like you guys are having a really bad season
- Mo Kargas
sorry you guys are having to go through this shit. And I'm seriously impressed by your dad! major balls.
- vijay
Sheesh* Scary Poop Batman - hopefully Everybody is OK* I saw that on the Front Page o the Paper this morning + U never think it's somebody U know*
- Billy Warhol
I didn't want to click on the Like link because it's almost like saying I enjoy watching Thomas Hawk's parents house burn down. Hope everyone is safe ;-)
- James Robertson
I am sorry to see the fire was such a danger to you and your family. I sincerely hope your Dad didn't manage to sneak back in - he just endangers himself and the fire fighters.. It is better to have your Dad around than a house.
- Bill Rawlinson
I'm really sorry to see and hear that.........
- Kevin Montgomery
That is so scary, but the biggest thing is that you know where your parents are, and they're safe.
- mark zero (Jason)
My parents went back into their property yesterday afternoon. They were letting some residents back into Big Tujunga Canyon. The house survived but there's a lot of work still to do. The pipes from the water pump to the spring burned up and so my dad's trying to repair those to get water back to the property. Electricity is still out and probably will be for at least a few weeks. He's...
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- Thomas Hawk
It's going to be hard for the whole community now Thomas - it is the same in Greece where there were really devastating fires close to Athens these past few days. At least your parents are safe - all the best.
- Sofia @ SoMaFusion
Carlos, Adrian knows from whence he speaks. He was an adorable kid, too. Now look at him. Dreadful.
- Anika
Are you kidding me? mine throws forks and food at her mother while killing spiders with her bare hands and telling the cat shes going to kill her. these devil children are a match made in heaven.
- Carlos Ayala
Hey hey hey. That's my FL BFF you're talking about now. Best you be nice!
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle