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August 22 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

☂IIssNan, Jacque, Rahmi Vidinlioğlu and 17 other people liked this

Very nice! But where is the FF icon? - Ryan - @magicofpi

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it's the one that looks like Facebook *ducks* - jbrotherlove

+1 jbrotherlove - Faraz Mullick

bulunsun - Göze Sencer

Very nice! But why is there a digg icon? - teh Dork Knight aka Kenny

veri nays - Erman Haskan

FriendFeed Feedback: Zee.

Need to clarify something...is there a way to show new shares just by the time they were posted? Without any interference from comments or likes bumping up old shares?

April 29 - Comment - Like - Share

Nimaa, Kol Tregaskes, tollie williams and Andre liked this

anyone? - Zee.

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Haven't seen one Zee - it would be a good addition though. - Martin Bryant

Nope. :-( #betakoltag-sg-searches - Kol Tregaskes

Is there a way to just search by date? - Kamilah Gill

Kol Tregaskes to Kol's feed, FriendFeed Feedback

Can we please set the size of the Desktop Notifier window (maximum width as well as height)?

August 4 - Comment - Like - Share

Ross Miller, tollie williams, Adi and Allan Besselink liked this

Entries with several pictures are cut off on the right. :-( - Kol Tregaskes

Jeff Jarvis

RT @tollie: I too have been thinking along these lines. I think I was happiest with just dumping http: and using only //google.com //bit.ly

July 26 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Sarah Lane

Ok, I have 5,061 subscribers. Seems crazy high for the engagement I see on my stream. Let's see how many of you actually exist around these parts: Comment plz! (Remember when I got called out a few months ago for not participating enough on FF? It worked!)

July 22 - Comment - Like - Share

Chris Luckhardt, gia wunderlich, Adam Sherk and 136 other people liked this

Hola. - Mike Bracco

364 more comments

I do not exist - Ryan

Hello hello! - Aaron Draczynski

boo - Mark

fine, i'll bite - MG Siegler

I know I'm around here somewhere - Brian

I'm just not that engaging. - Leo Laporte

Go Sarah! :) - Adrian

but I'm not a subscriber :) You can't really know, because as people comment this entry, all their followers get the "friend of a friend" item in their feed. Go figure who among those participants are subscribed to you. - Jérôme Flipo

ping - Alexander Kohlhofer

Oh, great, Jerome. Way to screw up the project! ;) - Sarah Lane

I subscribe. I'm located in So. Cal. - Ivan

I'm real! - Justin Rains

/wave - Devin Baines

I don't subscribe to you, but one of my friends does and commented. that seems like it breaks the counting here - Marshall Kirkpatrick

Sarah: have you checked out http://www.feedstats.info/sarahla... - it gives you some great stats on your activity. - Mike Bracco

Everyone else subscribes to you, so I don't have to. Nice of all these fine folks, innit? - Justin Whitaker

Hi Sarah! - Chris Luckhardt

hello - Alfredo

Hola. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

*waves* - Christian Cable

Hi there. :) - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Hello - Norm Corriveau

Mike B- thx! first time i've checked out feedstats. - Sarah Lane

I refuse! - Matthew DeVries

Namaste. - Kamath (नमः)

Wow, I only have 57 - Zachary TG

Present! - Steve de Mena from iPhone

I just signed on, so I don't have to comment - Oh wait ... - Brent - Loving Life

spammer in disguise - Tate DA FF MVP

What can I say, I'm a lurker. - Ghworg

Sarrita - You do realize you're going to pull more than just your subscribers right? We're blasting this out to all our friends of friends too. - Matthew DeVries

Feedstats is pretty cool. I dig it. - Otto

No comment - Christian (Simply X) from Android

I <3 U, Sarah Lane. - Dave Friedel

I have to admit, it's pretty fun to watch you guys comment in real-time. Good thing I have nothing else to do all day. Matthew DeV- yeah, I know, not a perfect system. I guess my point is that FF sub numbers are misleading, there are a lot of DOA accounts!! - Sarah Lane

Loved you on AOTS1000. How was the Chalula? - GMar

present and accounted for - Patrick Janidlo

Hello Sara. Love listening to you on the TWiT network. - Richard

okay - Katy Barrilleaux

Not a subscriber, but I'm alive. Real-time FF is open all day. - Ben Reierson

She said my name! I'm never washing this thread again. - Matthew DeVries

This is... a comment! - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Hi Sarah... Im a Kevin too, huge fan since screen savers, from back in the old days. Talk to you later... hopefully.. lol Kevin - Kevin from email

wutwut - Rodfather

Hello, Sarah. - Christopher A Carr

90% of people who subscribe to me on FF are neither bots nor marketing arseholes, which sure isn't the case on Twitter. - Christopher A Carr

If a FriendFeeder posts on a feed and no one reads it is it still a post? - Adam Turetzky

Hi! /waves hand - Adrian

So you will double your subscribers most likely thru friends of friends - I'm in for sure - Nicholas Paul Gordon from iPhone

Dunno... should we ignore you and see... lol j/k Kevin - Kevin from email

But, I don't feel like commenting. - Jimminy Fuller

Could this be another "True or Poo"? ;) j/k How's it going Sarah? - John Blanton

Sarah - Can this somehow reach Martin c/o Sarah? http://www.stagetwoconsulting.com/wordpre... (actually I found out about it from Veronica's feed) - Matthew DeVries

I feel Marty thinks TWiF is getting to be a real pain in the butt. Maybe you could all convince Leo to move it to San Fran? I'm sure he'd get even better guests/hosts to move to a 24/7 format...? - Jude

Hello Sarah. I think yours was the first feed I subscribed to when I joined FF. - Thomas

just so we're clear on this... i'm not commenting because you asked... i'm commenting because i want to - Chris Heath

Matthew DeV- I'll pass along! Jude- hmm, I'll think about that one. Chris H- FINE! BE THAT WAY! - Sarah Lane

I'm here. - Chris Gardner

Hello from the centre of the currently rainy weather in Norway. - Thomas Bøhm

Hi Sarah. Yes, I remember, we talked about it on our podcast. - Josh Haley

Now I'm a subscriber - Lee Skarbek from iPhone

Shout ;) - Robert Burgin

Oh hai! - Simon Wicks

gronk - Byron Servies

Josh H- just discovered ffundercats! Very cool idea for a show! - Sarah Lane

Hiya! - Oracio

questioning people's existence? hmm. a bit different than people that just import all their feeds in here? - John Wang

I seeeee yooooouuu! - Dean "Karnatos" Michaud

Well I'm not hanging on every word, but I enjoy your stuff. - Chris Menning

I am alive and well, how are you doing? - Gary Oswald

Thanks Sarah. You have a standing invitation to be on our show and just chat about whatever happens on FriendFeed, tech, etc. DM me if you are interested and we will make it happen. (also we have a room/group on FF http://friendfeed.com/ffunder... ) - Josh Haley

FFundercats: Diggnation minus the cult of personality? - Daniel J. Pritchett

Daniel - there's a live thread (Real time FTW) with the podcast, and direct interaction with that thread. I usually have Friday plans, but when I don't it's a supremely fun time. - Matthew DeVries

Here. - Nation Hahn

Hurrah! Nice to see you posting here, even if it isn't for anything interesting. - Kenton

Hullo there...you are still in my main feed... :) - JA Castillo

John W- oh, I'm sure they exist somewhere, just wondering if it's here, too. ;) Chris M- casual enjoyment is enough for me! Kenton- oh please, this is riveting stuff! (I'm subscribing left and right due to this conversation, so thanks for speaking up and helping me find you!) - Sarah Lane

halow - Dustin from BuddyFeed

I'm up the road in Canada :) - Owen Greaves

Hi there. - Jason Huebel from iPhone

bonjour - Justin

Hello :) - 1x29

I don't subscribe to you. - Alex Scrivener

hi - anna sauce

G'day - Lee

Hi there! - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

Let's get the comment count OVER 9000!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Bryan Lee

First, to 100 - Zachary TG

I find most people don't engage at all or have you in a list they don't check. - Jannifer @wordsforliving

Awake....just. - Clifford Kennedy from iPhone

Bryan L- that video is going to haunt me in my dreams tonight, and it's all your fault!! ;) - Sarah Lane

Woot - Mike

Me here. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Hello - The Letter M

Here is a comment. Howdy. - Jon, the Chilled Beartato from Android

now 5080 :D - Roldano aka Rotfl

Engage, engage, engage! - Travis Koger from iPhone

Howdy - RAPatton from iPhone

I'm here :) - tiracconto

I am not the square root of minus one (ask a mathematician, they'll know). :-) - Jillian Ada Burrows

aw :p - chaz2b

Keep up the good work! - Timo Ukkola

BTW, don't think I haven't noticed Scoble's absence in this thread. Not even in the top 100! For shame! :) - Sarah Lane

This is why i like FF more then Twitter :D - Fee501st

hehe didn't think the video would have that kind of effect but I'll take it. :) - Bryan Lee

oh hi there. - Brett Kelly

Hej! - Thomas Carrington

what's this now? engagement? - michael sean wright

Afternoon, miss. I've seen you on the Internet TV, but never had the gumption to say hello. - Mark Czerniec

Sarah, in this friendfeed realm, the Eye of Scoble (vanity filters) sees all. :-) - Christopher A Carr

hello Sarah, keep on entertaining us - Gary Taylor

Oh Hai! - sofarsoShawn

I talk to myself a lot on friendfeed and twitter, but to the best of my knowledge I do actually exist. - Eric Carter

Well, hello there Sarah Lane. Good see you participating. =) - LonelyBob from twhirl

My existence is debatable. - Slappy Line

Hola - Alejandro

hi. - Mike Nencetti

Comment - Robert Kenney

wooo - andy brudtkuhl

There, Sarah, now you have 117 of 5K haha - anna sauce

I exist... - Tyler Sid

Yes, I remember when you got called out a few months back for not participating. It was me that called you out. I refer to that, now deleted post, as "The Emperor's New Clothes" post. After I was condemned for daring to ask why cewebrity accounts on FriendFeed were given such an inordinate amount of attention considering there's no reciprocation on the part of the poster, my question... more... - Christopher Harley

Sarah - I've enjoyed your posts as I see them float down the stream :) - Jennifer Dittrich

O HAI SARAH - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

Hello! - Herb Hernandez

hey there - Patrick

Please define the word "exist"... :) - John Ruth

Holla back, whoop! whoop! - Steve Wilson

I like bread. - Steven Cogswell

Wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuussssssssssssssssup. :D - Nate Pilling from twhirl

...so it goes... - Mitchell Schneider

Commenting right.........now! - David Cook

Greetings - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio) from iPhone

no, i won't comment. you can't make me! - jccalhoun

Hello there... - Brian Sloane

I've just subscribed to your FF and Twitter. :) - J. D. Ebberly

G'Day - Johnny Worthington

I exist, but do I get to choose which of your parts I exist around? - Tim Keeney

Howdy, I am an existing FF. - Kelli Perez

Hello! - Kevin Fox

wow. that's a lot of comments - Ian Wright from BuddyFeed

jccalhoun- you see what i did there? - Sarah Lane

She's a popular gal... :) - Thomas

I may or may not being an automatic spam bot. Also, I thoroughly enjoy TWiF. But, what does that count for? - Mike Nayyar

I exist only in my own mind - Gary Prechtel

Mike N- it counts for a sub from me! Although the first thing I saw was a post about your laptop, your mom, and porn. Let's see how this relationship goes. :) - Sarah Lane

Yet another try at creating the longest thread on FF? ;) - Holger Eilhard

I'm listening, but I don't know what to say. - Donald Forth

Sup - Geoff Schultz

What's good in the TWiF hood, homeslice? - Eric Geller

Here! - David Monroe

Hello. I am here. :-) - Paul Franz

Well, this is certainly a nice hefty thread... but I think I've made the point that clearly the large majority of my followers aren't actually paying attention (for example, my BFF Kim Kardashian). :) - Sarah Lane

She is just jealous that you get to hang with Martin on Fridays. - Eric Geller

That is, unless you double-book. - Eric Geller

Yo! - ha3rvey (just a friend) from fftogo

made the best of day.... who the hell are you? - Noah David Simon

Sarah Lane is the wife of Leo Laporte of Twit Live. Her son is Kevin Rose of Digg fame. And she is only 30. - Mark

...and I'm supposed to know that? how can her son be of Digg if she is 30? - Noah David Simon

Only if you've used the internet for more than 8 minutes in the last decade. - Matthew DeVries

twif rocks, U & sargent are halarious. ive been watching since techTv days. Martin's cadillac RIP - echostreamer

all I know is this woman has issues that people are following her... and I wasn't following her till she had issues. what a paradox! ....wait a minute... she sounds like a feminist! - Noah David Simon

If that's all you know, then that's all you read, but there's more to know and you've just decided not to assimilate it. Say Luh Vee. - Matthew DeVries

Hello! As well as hi! - Jay Farmington

martins lobster tweet was hilarious and so was your calling him out. Also "who Tila Tiquilla?" was great line. been watching since techtv. follow me if you'd like on FF and Twitter @echostreamers - echostreamer

yeaux! - Veronica

Jay Farmington wins for best bio! - Sarah Lane

Hey Sarah, whats up? - Randy Shapiro

Yoooo. - Andru Edwards

Why? - W. Kirk Crawford

Hullo Sarah - Tom Horn

Hahaha Sarah Lane wins for noticing my bio! - Jay Farmington

Hi there. - Brad Butner from twhirl

Greetings earthling - Kim Landwehr

love to listen to your on Twit network. Since I installed FF on computer, I see your streams more. usually I click on links that people post if it seems interesting to me. usually don't comment though. keep it up! - kent williams

Hola! - Ahmed

Heya! - Mo Kargas

Sarah who? - Luis D. Santos

True or Poo: Sarah Lane uses FriendFeed. - Randy Shapiro

Hi - I think I knew your sister, Lois -/ - Chris Loft

Yep, Lois, Penny and I are all doing well, thx. ;) - Sarah Lane

Subscribe to you on Twitter and read your Tweets.....good to finally see you here on FF interacting! - Bonnie Foster

dunno I know you...? - sofarsoShawn

Sorry, missed you 5 hours ago, Australia was asleep. We're here now though. - Edward Coffey

No. :) - Bren -- Still Believes from iPhone

Hello.You've been on my favorites list for a while now. I'm just sparatic about my interaction, and often get distracted by stuff like Sims 3 and WoW when at the computer. - Tony, Paradox of FF

after looking at the bios in this thread, if every1 in this thread started a tech company together, im pretty sure it would replace google tomorow. im not sure i am even qualified to be in this conversation - echostreamer

Eva - sofarsoShawn

Uh, hey. How's it goin? - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

<Participation/> - Mitch

heyo - Mark Essel from intelligent media manager test

watching, waiting - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF

Howdy! - Andrew

Ok, now I *have* to go participate in a Current TV happy hour. Boo hoo, unlucky me. Will check back later. Thx to everybody who reached out so far. It's great to have those of you not already on my radar, on my radar. :) - Sarah Lane

Im here, Im here! - Sean Simkins

Hi Sarah :) - Randy Allen Bishop

tell tila tequila i said hi ;) - echostreamer

Hey Sarah! - Colin Hendricks

Checking In, Sarah! - Patrick Hall

You officially have more comments on this post than I've ever had on my whole podcast. - David LaMorte

following... :) - Rick Reynolds

hello. - Zee.

Howdy! .. :) - Art Stanton

Ms Sarah, I'm not subscribed, but I'm commenting also, anyway ..... I'm your average next-door group guy. - Petr Buben

Greetings! - David Gaw

Ahoy! - Mike Shulman

Sarah, Love TWIF. Keep up the good work. - Saad Kamal

Hi - Bora Zivkovic

I've just subscribed. Hi! - Tyson Key

Well, now you have at least 5,062 subscribers. - Jordan Hofker

gogogo. - mjc

Kiaora - Alistair (alpinefolk)

I think i'm just a monkey :-P - Sean Creasy

I lurk therefore I am. - David Imielski

Natural born follower - Don Sanborn

present - Fabio

Here. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

sarah's got to be at the general rank in the twit army by now... i'm just wondering how many stars - Chris Heath

I think, therefore I exist. - Trent Hamm from iPod

Sarah Lane thanks for subscribing to me. I feel so special now :) - Bryan Lee from iPhone

Hey! - Chuck Drake

Last! - John Brazel

First! - Christopher A Carr

Hello :) - Eric Logan

Hello. - Dennis O'Neil

Have we met? - Mistletoe Glen

Hi, found you from a friend from a friend from a friend from a friend of FF! - Joel Robert Perez

Yes, Glen, we have (we'll always have Skype *sigh*). But not on this thread before. Oh. HI, Sarah Lane :) - Micah Wittman

Hi there - Dave de Roos

Hey - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

How will I explain this to my grand children? - barce from iPhone

You're going to have to try a lot harder to get rid of us. - Gus Cuddy from iPod

I think it's safe to say that this was a success - Steve Poland

Gus- I don't want to get rid of you! Silly Gus. - Sarah Lane

Of course you don't. Heh. Naw, just kiddin. And you don't know how many times I've been called Silly Gus. I think it has a certain ring to it. - Gus Cuddy from iPod

Keep up the great work with TWIF - Magnus Tait

Hey mon cheri teckie. - Robert Hafer from iPhone

count me - Smith

Hello from Alcatraz. - Ranger Craig

hello sarah - Steve Mott

Hey hey hey - Mark Carrozza

It looks like you've picked up a few more since making this post. I like even number's, so I'll make it 5,142! - Michael Fidler

Make that 5,143. Odd number's are okay too. - Michael Fidler

that's a lot of comments - Federico Hamelius

Hey there, Sarah Lane! - Nick

Hej! - Peter

Hey... Just commenting, :) - Thomas

Great idea! See who is paying attention. Hi Sarah. - Andrew Vincent Cahill

Hi. I am with you - Nitin Nanivadekar

Am here tooooo .... - Jeff

Sarah, you're my preffered fragment of my imagination. - Jean Sebastien Dussault from twhirl

I comment, therefore I exist...or something like that. - Shaun William

hi there - Kiran Patchigolla from Nambu

Sarah Lane rocks :) - Sam Houston

You guys are the best. Ok, I have tons more folks to subscribe to tomorrow, but for now, I gotta rest my eyes for a bit! - Sarah Lane

time difference has to be taken into account :) - Iwan

Holla! - Rob Haas

G'day! - Darren Heydon

Greetings... - Anoop Mathew Alex

Insert witty comment here. - Greg Morgan

wassup! - Aaron

ok cool Sarah, HI or Aloha as we say here in Hawaii. I myself have been on ff for 2 mos and have never had a personal message. - Ron Hagenhoff

You are in one of my FF Groups so you show up when someone in my Home feed Likes or Comments (presently). - Jay Cuthrell

Hi from Norway - Odd Inge Teige

konichiwa hajimemashite yoroshuku onegaishimasu - Robert Higgins

Not following you yet, but: "hi hi!" - Daan

Hi Sarah, Just subscribed! Cheers! - Evgeni Leshtanski

14 hours late but present and accounted for. - invariant - farewell FF

Hello! - Pavel Senko

so.... Hi! :) Hello.. Hola.. Oi.. Aló.. - Cesar Sanchez

quiet plz! :) - ozan

I'm here! - jvinelaguna

morning - Dobromir Hadzhiev

Hello from Missouri. Just want to say TWIF FTW~! Anyway keep up the good work and stay awesome! - Shawn aka ringking

although I live on another continent I do exist :P TWiF out - Anton Tanderup from BuddyFeed

I pinched myself, it hurt, it must be real - Mike Center

hi from Athens - Baboon

Hello, I'm a new subscriber. - Iván Abrego

I'm commenting, and I'm not even a subscriber. - DGentry

Hola - Edgar Rodríguez

sup - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

I'm not sure I can commit right now... I mean, you're nice and all, but... oh COMMENT. Oh. AWKward.... - Brandt Krueger

Oh hi :) - Christian Burns from iPhone

I'm not in your stream, your not in my stream, and still everything is lively. - Amit Morson

I am not a subscriber, nor do I have any idea what your normal content is like, but I can imagine that some percentage of your subscribers did so purely because your avatar is an attractive woman (and you have a females name). I'm not saying this to belittle your contributions; just sharing an observation of male behavior. -- huh, I just went and looked at your profile (I had never heard of you). I'll add your celebrity status as another reason people might follow without planning on engaging. - Bill Rawlinson

I exist :) - Geoff Jackson

I'm here - Michael_techie

Buenos dias/Good morning. See, you're not crazy. We do exist. - Acevedo Oscar

Yo. - Adam Karl

hi - Thomas Hawk

comment - Willem (@wim66) ☠

Here's one more from Malaysia! - Andrew Lim

Hello from the land of the rising sun! - Carlos Brefe

Greetings from NL - Marcel de Jong

HAI! - AJ Batac

My hovercraft is full of eels. - George Brickner

Hi Sarah. Glad to see you here. - Courtney Engle

Wow 303 comments. and 120 likes? Amazing. - Zachary TG

Hello! - Mathias Staricka

why does it matter if we exist? - Jeff Martin

Bonjour ! from Montreal . - Christian Farley

Which has a louder Tweet Beat...'Sarah Lane fans' or 'drinking from cans'....? - Rooney

Hi Sarah. Greetings from Missouri. Love your shows..... - R Daily

I exist. - Ben Hanten

Hello! We love you Sarah. :) - Carol Levesque

The show where lizards grow. - Frank Jonen

Hey Sarah! - Martin Johnson

Hello there double-booker - W_B_K

Hi - Alan Le

Hello. I'm not a subscriber, but since someone I follow commented, I felt the need to say "Hi" too. Hello from Washington, DC. The only times I comment on FriendFeed are: 1) it's funny, 2) it's about dogs, 3) it's about cutting-edge tech. Since you called out the "lurkers" on FF, I'm here. ;) - Ken & Kiyomi

It's a small world... ;) - Tyson Key

\m/ - Tanath

hey sarah! just wanted to say hi - (jeff)isageek

Wanted to wait to be commenter 321, but it looks like it ain't gonna be. (Edit: Heh - got it anyway :) ) - Andy Bold

Hello - Tyler Ham from iPod

howdy - timepilot

Whew! Just catching up on all your lovely comments. Thanks everyone! Now, we're only missing about 4,600 folks. Send out the search party! Kidding, kidding.... I was just really curious as to who was actually around and paying attention. >^__^< <----- my first ASCII cat ever - Sarah Lane

<'((>< ...Fishy - Josh Haley

Just sitting here existing away.:p - Dale

ping - Kevan Emmott

Im commenting. I love your hipster wayz :p - Scott Graham

It's times like these I wish FF had a comment link *below* the comments :) - Thomas

Thomas, an after-market product: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... (user script hack to add a Comment and Like links below threads :) - Micah Wittman

Well played, Micah. Well played... - Thomas

It does if it's the only post in the feed. Click the timestamp. But you already know this, prob. :p - Josh Haley

I confess, I'm a lurker. :) But I wanted to say hi. - elena from twhirl

Thanks Micah :) - Thomas

No prob :) - Micah Wittman

I am also a guilty non-participant in FF; really need to get here more often. - Natallini

i'm fairly certain I exist - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

WOW that's a lot of subscribers. I'm real at least I was a minute ago. ;-P - Kelli Perez

Hi Sarah. Like you on net@night. Cheers! - Ken Morley

..and now you have more subscribers. - rob

Thomas, http://friendfeed.com/sarahla... or http://friendfeed.com/sarahla... will have comment boxes at the bottom always so you don't even need to click - opening the entry/item in it's own window is the key (clicking the timestamp like josh haley said will do that) then if you want the clean embed version you just add ?embed=1 to the url, or click the timestamp again - it's that simple - Chris Heath

The only way to follow someone is if you follow fewer than 5,061 'people' - Terris Linenbach

Hello from Cambridgeshire, Englandshire. Now, where do I put the stamp on this thing? - Ben Aldhouse

Terris- no, that's the number of people subscribed to me... I can't imagine following 5,061 people! Think of the real-time scrolling! Aaaah! - Sarah Lane

Well, it *was* the number of people subscribed to me. A few more now.. hi everyone! - Sarah Lane

OH HAI - Jay Cuthrell

Hi Sarah! I think I'm in love with you. - Dave Friedel

"And the papers want to know whose shirts you wear" - Jay Cuthrell

Hello there, I think I am a human not a bot or anything like that - Ahmad Rashad

Sarah: R. Scoble manages - http://qik.com/video/1622325 - Christopher A Carr

Christopher: it burns, it BURNSSSSSSS - Sarah Lane

hehe - Christopher A Carr

I'm here, it's twit.tv fault. - Dave Hoffman / N3PRO from twhirl

I think I exist but since the Internet isn't real is hard to tell xD - Ronald Erazo

we are here - Simon Bryan

I belive in Leo, therefore i exist! - Björn Fritz from Nambu

5,258 now. Hi... - Mitchell Tsai

Just subscribed to you simply out of curiosity after seeing this discussion :) - Adam Sherk

Greetings! - Shawn K. Smith

Howdie from Alabama! - Martin Howell

Hey Sarah! I have always never been here, so I guess I shouldn't be here! - Jeff Stanco

Present! and not a spambot - Denis Sweeney

Holla! Hi from San Diego. - Peggy Gartin

I'm commenting now. Just read this in ma email. I don't have a lot to say...ever...so I don't usually talk...but I like and I listen. - Aaron M. Clay

This thread is like Cher's career. It never ends. - Dave Friedel

this comment is the 364th comment made on this thread (just sayin) 365 any1? - echostreamer

beuler? - Chris Heath

366th ! - Dave Friedel

Tell us about the beginning of this FF post grandpa! Well kids, when I was a young man, Sarah Lane posted a question about having five thousand followers... (long old man story) ... and the post survives to this day, in the year 2074. Back when this thread started, the machines hadn't taken over yet... - Dave Friedel

Hey there from the back woods of British Columbia - Trent Shields

Nobody here but us chickens. - Bob Mills

When will it end? Oh, uh, DOH! - Dave Friedel

Paul Buchheit

One more thing: All of our iframe embeds (including search) support a css=URL parameter to enable custom style. We haven't documented it yet, but see http://friendfeed.com/buildin... for an example and howto, and http://www.building43.com/ to see it live.

July 2 - Comment - Like - Share

Jesper Lind, Angela E. Taylor, Ahmet Alp Balkan and 109 other people liked this

Amazing - zsafwan 

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I was wondering how they did that! Thanks - Frankie Warren

But how do I customize the title so it's not the long search string? - Jesse Stay

We're going to fix that very soon Jesse. - Paul Buchheit

Could that (improper instancing of by louisgray.com) be the cause of http://ff.im/4J6lp ? - ianf ⌘

Thanks Paul - that will make me feel much better about keeping it there. :-) I've got some huge community improvements coming soon that I'm hoping to integrate FriendFeed with. - Jesse Stay

I may be missing the howto, but developed my own way awhile back using object tag, and placed in a drupal block. - LPH™ and his dog P™ from BuddyFeed

Freaking GENIUS. - Jason Huebel

Paul, first tried to embed in the post, but did not work out. Then I embedded the search in a sidebar widget, that worked: http://www.amsterdam20.nl - any tips how to make the embedding working in a regular WP 2.8 post? Or is this not possible b/c it is an iframe? TIA! - Jeroen De Miranda

Ah this was what i was looking for. - Burcu Dogan

Nice - very cool. - Cliff Gerrish

Is there any chance of losing the scroll bar? I know you can manually increase the height but would really like this frame to automatically grow on my site. Or is this technically impossible atm? Either way, a very cool feature. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Paul.. thanks for the "undocumented update".. it's nice to have such open access to what's happening at FriendFeed. I'm used to the "Wall of Silence" from Google and THAT gets old and extremely frustrating fast. - Chris Myles

Cool. I just discovered the embed flag yesterday. I like loading the feeds in the firefox sidebar. - Peter Warnock

Kol, I think you are a little out of luck.. since an Iframe is just a "window" to another URL, the main page needs to define the size. Without it the browser would need to load every iframe page just to determine how to render the main one. However It would be nice to have an embedded option that allows the "N more comments" concept (more details here http://ff.im/4fGzH), it takes up... more... - Chris Myles

Chris, so the iframe is not the way forward? What alternatives could achieve this? I don't mind putting in some code to embed my FF posts properly (with a frame). - Kol Tregaskes

Kol, I'm not sure where you got the impression I don't think Iframes are the way forward, I was addressing your issue of "losing the scrollbar". An Iframe is the only way to get "real time" updates.. you could always roll your own javascript, ff API , DOM based utility but it would only get you the content at the time of the API call. If the FF team thought http://ff.im/4fGzH was a good... more... - Chris Myles

So there is no other way to get real-time updates without an iframe? Once we can get rid of the scrollbar then I can use it on my site. - Kol Tregaskes

FF can only update pages they own! BTW in its current form I think the benefits of an embedded FF post (or group etc) far outweigh any minor side effects of a scrollbar. I'd love to use friendfeed as my entire blog commenting system, I'm just waiting for a couple of things (http://ff.im/3TfED) to automate the process. - Chris Myles

We would love to embed a private room on internal Deki Wiki. The last time I tried it still had the sidebar. I will try again to see if you have made it possible to do this. - Christian Burns from iPhone

The minute I decided to embed FF into my blog! - Burcu Dogan

Does this also include individual post embeds (via share)?.. I can't seem to get those to work! - Chris Myles

the building43 stuff is great. they did a good job explaining and such. used it for my lifestream on my blog. - (jeff)isageek

Paul baucheit and the rest of the friendfeed team. You are implementing a lot of cool features lately. - alfred westerveld

Using this technique on http://waded.org now, instead of Evan Sims' FriendFeed WordPress widget. I like some things about the css=URL approach better, and some things not so much. (Anyone, is there a technique to control # of entries displayed?) - Wade Dorrell

Wade, use the num= parameter to control the number of entries (e.g. http://friendfeed.com/paul...) - Paul Buchheit

FriendFeed Feedback: Marlin Forbes

I'm now posting my Twitter stream to FriendFeed using a Yahoo pipe to cut out any @replies and filter the format. The pipe is here http://pipes.yahoo.com/datasha..., put in your own username, copy the RSSlink. Setup a custom RSS feed in FF. Leave both checkboxes unchecked. And obviously, don't feed it back into Twitter! :)

July 10 - Comment - Like - Share

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cool - Petr Buben

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I use a similar pipe. Problem is, if I share something on FF, sending a copy to Twitter, it comes back to FF. Any idea how to circumvent this? - Peter

This is great! Thanks! - Svartling

Great idea. I love pipes. Thanks! - Michael Fidler

Thanks for sharing. I made one change, to make it remove entries posted to twitter from friendfeed, just incase FF was reimporting them. This might be the solution to Peter's question. It was my first time using pipes, and I gave credit to this friendfeed entry. http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes... - tollie williams

tollie, that works if you have tweets linking back to ff, but I have tweets linking directly to the source. - Peter

Yeah, I'll write a parser that looks for a link at the end of the tweet optionally prefixed with a '-' and replace the rss link with the found one. That should work, not sure how to do it yet on Yahoo Pipes, we'll see tomorrow. :) - Marlin Forbes

For the re-sharing thing, you just have to disable sharing that RSS feed back to Twitter in the Twitter publishing options. Feedback loops are not fun... :) - Marlin Forbes

M F to M's feed, British & Irish Residents

Shop turns away 9 out of 10 job applicants because they cannot calculate sums - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news...

July 11 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"The Remnant Shop has a company rule that staff must be able to mentally add, subtract, multiply and divide on the spot. In the past, eight out of ten made the grade. Now just one in ten can cut it." - M F from Bookmarklet

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could be a side effect of interview anxiety, too - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Possibly but then again some recruiters might say that they need to be able to think on their feet etc, I had a boss like that, if someone got nervous at job interviews it meant they couldn't handle pressure therefore they were no good for the job. - M F

Good. I wish people here were as picky. When we went to the Renaissance Faire, there girl couldn't give me back my proper change, even though I told her like 7 times what it was. She tried to do math by hand, but couldn't do that. Then she asked someone else who made a very wrong guess, then she got a calculator. I looked at her like she was a complete moron because clearly she was. - Admiral Anika

I work in retail and often have to ask for a 10% deposit on goods ordered, and it astounds me how many people cant work out what 10% of a number is, which really is a pretty damn easy calculation to make. - Steve

Bret Taylor to Bret's feed, FriendFeed News

Today, Google engineers announced a technology called PubSubHubbub that makes RSS/Atom more real-time, and they deployed the technology on FeedBurner. FriendFeed also added support for the technology, so if you have a FeedBurner feed, your updates should show up in FriendFeed within seconds rather than minutes after the feed updates.

July 10 - Comment - Like - Share

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To enable it for your FeedBurner feed: go to Feedburner, click on the "Publicize" tab, and then click on "PingShot" and enable the PingShot service. That will enable PubSubHubbub and send your feed to a number of ping services. - Bret Taylor

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what, right now? i mean immediately? From today? - Zee.

Zee: yes, right now! - Benjamin Golub

Zee: yes, from today, though the technology is very much "in beta," so I am sure there will be hiccups. - Bret Taylor

Excellent, thank you Bret and FF, will switch this on now. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

WOW. - Zee.

Nice - thanks Bret! - Jim Connolly

RSS is back in the game... then - Yann Ropars

This is very cool - Edwin Khodabakchian

Once step closer to being able to build an open distributed twitter like system! - Edwin Khodabakchian

this has been done already by superfeedr.com - google's behind the game on this one, but def takes it mainstream. - Scott Magdalein

I don't understand. Updates won't appear on Feedburner in realtime, so what's the point? - Peter

Peter: most blogging platforms ping Feedburner when you post a new entry, Feedburner pulls down the feed, Feedburner then pings the hub, then the hub notifies FriendFeed :) - Benjamin Golub

Thanks Benjamin. Alas, my feeds are not that sophisticated. - Peter

We're still working out kinks so if you have any issues please send me a message! - Brett Slatkin

You lost me at "Today" I shall now just smile and nod politely - Steve C

Where's the spec? - Dave Winer

http://pubsubhubbub.googlecode.com/svn... - Brett Slatkin

Dave: http://pubsubhubbub.googlecode.com/svn.... Edit: Brett beat me by nanoseconds! - Benjamin Golub

If I understand correctly this essentially turns any site with a feedburner feed into a real time publisher? But to read it in real time you need what? - BryanSchuetz

Since this is a Google thingie, does it work on Google Reader already? - Tarmo Aidantausta

FriendFeed can receive the pings *RIGHT NOW* - Brett Slatkin

guys, how long are we really talking before it should appear here? Seconds or minutes? - Zee.

The Reader integration is a prototype; more to come soon! - Brett Slatkin

no way, so Google Reader could technically go real time?? - Zee.

That would be cool, wouldn't it? =) - Brett Slatkin

I stopped reading here: "RSS isn't supported for simplicity." Laughing. Out. Loud. - Dave Winer

I better make sure i get post titles right the first time round..... - Zee.

Brett - any chance i could ask you a couple of questions via email or dm? - Zee.

Hey Dave that's my mistake. We support RSS! http://code.google.com/p... I need to update the spec. - Brett Slatkin

is that SUP's role take up by those rss accelerator? or SUP is losing a chance to propagate in this field? - huixing

Huixing: we plan to support all widely adopted real-time standards to make FriendFeed better. We are not tied to SUP only. - Bret Taylor from iPhone

Brett, why didn't you use the weblogs.com ping protocol? Your comment there about RSS, right up front, really captures the whole philosophy -- right? Let's just reinvent stuff that already works, so... Why? To break everything that already works? It won't happen that way. It'll only make your adoption curve steeper. - Dave Winer

Is this working for anyone else? Anyone getting near real time publishing to Friendfeed with feedburner? - Zee. from iPhone

Would you ping me (dave dot winer at gmail dot com) when I can use RSS with this system. I'll be happy to evaluate it and provide feedback if necessary, and endorse it if it works. Thanks in advance. - Dave Winer

Alright we've fixed in the spec Dave. Sorry for the mistake. Followed up. - Brett Slatkin

Dave you can use rss feeds http://code.google.com/p... - Darren Stuart

I agree why didn't ff just implement a ping server and just let people add it to their blogs? - Darren Stuart

Darren: you can use our public SUP in that way: http://friendfeed.com/api... - Benjamin Golub

Zee- there are some debugging tools at the bottom of http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/, which I think is the hub you're using. For example, I don't see anything here: http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/topic-d... - Casey Muller

Ping this, ping there. What's so great about it? - Burcu Dogan

Benjamin: thanks that just saved me a little work. Should be linked on the api page I think. ;) - Darren Stuart

Just enabled this myself, glad to be on the bleeding edge for once ! - Justin Long

Awesome. Just enabled it. Thanks for the details Brett. - Mark Krynsky

Mark, can you let me know if it works for ya? - Zee.

@Casey i can't seem to get it working - Zee.

Darren: it's linked from http://code.google.com/p... but yeah we should do a better job of exposing it. - Benjamin Golub

I had enabled from way before, let's see if the post I'm about to publish works. I'll DM you Zee if it does! - Jorge Escobar

can someone please let me know if they've managed to get this working? - Zee.

There's also a WP plugin I wrote that does the same thing. This might be a good option for anyone who's not using feedburner. http://wordpress.org/extend... - Josh Fraser

Zee, I set this up for my Empoprise-BI blog, wrote a blog post (using Blogger), and six minutes after posting I haven't seen anything in Google Reader or FriendFeed yet. So if you're not getting advertised response, you're not the only one. I'll test again at a later time. - John E. Bredehoft

cool...just want to be sure it isn't me alone - Zee.

Update - seven minutes after posting, the post showed up on FriendFeed (both in my feed, and in a group that receives the blog feed). Nothing in Google Reader yet. - John E. Bredehoft

Josh Fraser - nice! - Micah Wittman

John: The Reader integration we demo'ed was a prototype; more to come in the future! - Brett Slatkin

yeah, it seems 7 minutes is about how long its taking me for too (to arrive in friendfeed) - Zee.

Could you DM me the feed URL? I'll look into the details and figure out the issue. Like I said before, we're still working out a few kinks (the FeedBurner integration is initial support right now). So thanks in advance for your help in making it super fast! - Brett Slatkin

Ready? Go! - Jorge Escobar

Nope, nothing... published at 4:34pm EST - Jorge Escobar

Brett, the one i'm testing it on is http://zee.me/blog and the feedburner url is http://feeds2.feedburner.com/zblog1 - Zee.

4:42pm, 8 minutes after I published and the article still doesn't show. My blog is at http://jungleg.com and the feed is http://feeds.feedburner.com/jungleg - Jorge Escobar

Looking into it now, thanks! - Brett Slatkin

Thanks Brett! - Jorge Escobar

Cheers Brett - i'm itching here... :) - Zee.

If you're looking for another implementation of PubSubHubbub, I'd suggest you give a look to our http://superfeedr.com ;) Thanks for your time and feedback! - Julien

Heh, what's the idea behind the crazy name? ;) - Tyson Key

does self hosted wordpress natively ping feedburner? - Tyler Gillies

Try it for yourself! http://friendfeed.com/pubsubh.... My test took only 8 seconds. Amazing (via http://friendfeed.com/brett) - Jérôme Flipo

Nice to see XMPP more and more used on the web! It's a nice environment, also for cloud computing! - Egon Willighagen

Nice tech, strange name though. Wonder if Google has a projectname generator, feeds it some foundation words, and then watches it spew out 1,835391 suggestions in 20-sized chunks? Too bad they didn't pick up PubSubBuzz instead, rhymes better. Also, what was EVER WRONG with PubSubHubris? (fresh and full of promise). - ianf ⌘

This tech has been around for ages. It's getting much needed promotion right now, but it's not new. The name comes from XMPP's pubsub mechanism, with hubbub on the end. The option for PingShot has also been in Feedburner for months. - Marlin Forbes

I think that unless you have installed the pubsubhubbub plugin for wordpress, that feedburner still polls your content. It pushes your content out to other interested parties using the new mechanism, but it will still poll your feed. Correct? - Marlin Forbes

you can have wordpress ping feedburner under settings->writing add http://ping.feedburner.com - Tyler Gillies

great to see you talk today bret, thanks - sean percival

appreciate that - Hans Kainz

My feedburner feed updated in real-time but the blog post is still not published here on friendfeed? - Svartling

didn't work for me on last post....and i have the ping shot on - Bob DeMarco

Just wanted to let you know it worked for me yesterday. Almost a minutes after I posted on my blog it was up in FriendFeed - Jorge Escobar

Great! - Brett Slatkin

drew olanoff

Wait. so pro players have gotten away with taking steroids for years, but they're making a stand against in game tweeting? WTSTupid.

July 10 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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WTSTupid? what dat? - Joel Lovato

FriendFeed Feedback: Flavio

When I require to follow someone with private feed, I'd like to receive a notification when this is accepted or declined.

July 9 - Comment - Like - Share

Ross Miller, MVB (Grinch of FF), Kol Tregaskes and 3 other people liked this

Likewise. Also subscribing to a private feed doesn't enable to add to a FriendList, so when/if the subscription is accepted, it just turns up in the home feed and can get lost. - zeroinfluencer

flapic, agree, the lack of notification is frustrating. :-( - Kol Tregaskes

FriendFeed Feedback: David Berrebi

Twitter's @reply on Friendfeed should be a comment !

July 9 - Comment - Like - Share

Kol Tregaskes, tollie williams, immaterial and 4 other people liked this

Definitely. FF's Twitter publication feature is cool, but if we can tweet from FF, incoming tweets need to be handled better, too. - Grey Drane

could be tough to get the right item to reply to & what happens to multiple @'s ... would be cool, though :-) - immaterial

Mathew™ one of a kind

A couple weeks ago we had some pretty awesome storms go through Louisville one morning. This is a still of a lighting strike on the Ohio River captured by a web cam.

July 2 - Comment - Like - Share

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Take THAT, you river! - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Ike Pigott

If this truly is "The Day the 70's Died," does this mean I can have Reaganomics and MTV-with-real-videos back now?

June 25 from Facebook - Comment - Like - Share

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Bret Taylor to Bret's feed, FriendFeed News

FriendFeed Blog: You can now share files on FriendFeed - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...

June 24 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"To share files on friendfeed.com, simply click the "Files" link underneath the post box and select which files you want to include. You can also share files by including them as attachments on emails sent to share@friendfeed.com." - Bret Taylor from Bookmarklet

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That's the new hawtness! - Alex Scoble

wow - michael sean wright

whoa! - vijay

SEKRIT PLANZ! MWA HA HA HA - Josh Haley

Excellent news, thank you Bret and guys! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

the game just changed - chrisofspades

Haha! Nice... - WorldofHiglet

nice - endiaferon

This feature will help with using FF solely as a email mailing list. - Kol Tregaskes

Now we just need page branding and some enterprise integration, and we can replace Sharepoint... - sean andersen

Plus as a mail client too (kinda of anyway). I will have to get auto-forwarding my emails to my ff.com address again. - Kol Tregaskes

yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. i'm trying to be coherent but that's all that's coming up. Thanks... whats the file size limit? - Frankie Warren

this has awesomesauce all over it - Alfredo

is video an option? - Zee.

We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff. - Bret Taylor

Are the files public when accessed via direct link? Or do they require authentication? - Mark Trapp

No video at the moment, Zee. - Ross Miller

Bret, will this work for attachments sent to share@friendfeed.com? - chrisofspades

So tell me, how will you send email verification emails to new users when FF has successfully replaced email? </paradox> - nickrw

nice! - Mike Bracco

So, no BluRay rips, then :p - Josh Haley

Mark: right now they are public when access via direct link (though the links are not at all predictable). - Bret Taylor

Yes, file attachments to share@friendfeed.com work as you would expect. - Bret Taylor

Very Nice - Brent - Loving Life

neat-o! - t i n y m

Bret - is music an option? - Zee.

WIN - Dobromir Hadzhiev

Any other files that don't work with it? - Kol Tregaskes

What's the file attachment size limit? - imabonehead

Kol: i assume you can attach video? it just won't play in-line? or did i misinterpret that? - Frankie Warren

@imabonehead, from Bret's comment above: "We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff." - Dan Hsiao

@Dan, thx - imabonehead

Liked Liked Liked (*99999) "You can now share files on FriendFeed" This is.. GREAT! - Thierry R. Andriamirado

Frankie, video attachments aren't currently supported - Dan Hsiao

Frankie, Ross says no to video, see above. - Kol Tregaskes

MP3s? - Kol Tregaskes

Kol: there is a stricter limit on audio files (3 per day). - Bret Taylor

Yay, no more rapidshare! :) - Kaan Ertürk

OK, but any format? - Kol Tregaskes

I tried it with both a txt and a rar file but neither seemed to work (the message was posted without a file attached). [Update: works now for me] - Philipp Lenssen

Gonna give a big W00T!! to this before I even read the whole thing... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

LOL, Tina. - Kol Tregaskes

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!! - Roberto Bonini

Perhaps we need a list of file types (and their limits) that are supported? - Kol Tregaskes

Tina++, Holy Crap! :) - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

music files work! awesome! example here http://friendfeed.com/fredyga... - Alfredo

Bret: What about attachments to comments? - sean andersen

Swwwweeeettttt!!! - Jannifer @wordsforliving

Now all I need is a number where I can call and leave a VM that gets changed into an audio file, and I can get rid of drop.io for good! Yeah, we're never happy are we? Sorry.... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Greatissimo :) - Stanislas Jourdan

Bret, does animated GIFs now work btw? - Kol Tregaskes

Thanks for the clarification on video :) how long will the files stay on the server? - Frankie Warren

Tina - Perhaps if we leave a VM for the FriendFeed IM bot on Google Talk? That would rock. - Mitch

Can we paste URLs into the box like we can for images? - Kol Tregaskes

Seriously, guys, when and where do we start donating? - Akiva Moskovitz

I'd prefer buying private shares, Akiva. :) - Carlos Ayala

I think you can support them by buying the FF swags. - imabonehead

cool - Siavash

and sharing from URLs works! - http://ff.im/4o1RY - chrisofspades

NIIIIIIIIIIICE - Pedram

Pair this w/ a private room and you have instant office and/or project collaboration. Drop.io may have some competition. :) - JA Castillo

JA, agree. - Kol Tregaskes

Chris, cool. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

All we need now is a calendaring system and support for source code. - imabonehead

mp3 sharing works in FriendFeed? Just when I'm thinking to share some 'musiclets' from time to time via Tumblr! mhh.. interesting, really! - Thierry R. Andriamirado

Thierry, yep MP3s are supported. - Kol Tregaskes

this is awesome, i was literally just trying to do this last night on one of our team feeds and had to post links to published google docs instead. going to try it out now. it's like they read my mind. - Mike Elliott

Kol...we use Drop.io all the time here at my office. This would be great as it is supremely simpler. But approved file types and sizes needs to be understood. - JA Castillo

Mitch, that would be an option, but I can only imagine the opportunity for the wrong voice file to go to the wronge feed... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

And Akiva is right...where do we start donating?! - JA Castillo

If we had basic HTML support for first comments on FF, it could almost be used for mail (at least for forwarding and reading mail to and on it). - Kol Tregaskes

JA, a list of supported file types, limits and sizes is needed... please. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Cool stuff - Tyson Key

Any limits on the number of times a file can be downloaded, per day, out of interest? - Tyson Key

Reminds me of Pownce :) Great addition! - Holger Eilhard

NaFFster! :) - jcunwired

Does this mean that the days are numbered for various Pownce clones and Jaiku? Facebook, start your photocopiers! ;) - Tyson Key

this is GREAT! - Cee Bee

Now cue Facebook adding this feature in 3.. 2.. 1.. - Daniel Sims

Yay! Friendfeed is yet another step closer to complete emulation of IRC :) - Victor Ganata

Hey Bret, are these virus-checked? - Jordan Hofker

@Jordan - good question - andy brudtkuhl

Jordan, good shout. - Kol Tregaskes

The moment I read this I updated my AV program. - jcunwired

Are the shared files located in the enclosure tag of the feed? And can we filter feeds by enclosure type? - Cliff Gerrish

Jordan- yes, we virus scan them. - Casey Muller

Cool, Casey. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

LOL Victor ... true that. Well done FF team. - Amani from IM

Awesome, thanks Casey. - Jordan Hofker

Cliff- only media files (images and audio) are included in feeds at this time. - Casey Muller

Haha, Victor. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Uh, question two: how long before one of the **AA's gets all pissy? That would be sad. Is there a size limit? - Jordan Hofker

search by file type? - Jason Wehmhoener

Jason, good shout. - Kol Tregaskes

Jordan - what is **AA's ?? - Jannifer @wordsforliving

This will go a long way in convincing some of my Yahoo Groups to move to FF. Although we must have a list of file types supported, retention times and also if there is a max number of d/l's. - Gil Francisco III

This is awesome but I'm also concerned about the type of people this might bring to the FF community. - Johnny

Gil, I'm seriously considering moving my Y!Groups list members from there to FF. - Kol Tregaskes

This is one of those features that people don't complain about even though they didn't ask the community prior to launching ;) - Frankie Warren

Dare I ask about Boobies.jpg.virus.exe? - Oops Casey says they are virus scanned - Richard pancakhaus Walker

Jannifer: RIAA and MPAA, specifically. Say someone shares a copyrighted song or something...RIAA gets cranky. - Jordan Hofker

Am I the only person that thinks this is an incredibly bad idea? - Jason Nunnelley

.m4a files sent from the iPhone's Voice Memos feature aren't given a player but are making it through the mail to FF feature. Any support for a player coming down the line? - Christopher Harley

How about .zip s that are password-protected? Reject I hope... (edit) .zip not supported at all, I gather, good! - Richard pancakhaus Walker

yeah search by filetype absolutely! filetype:pdf, filetype:mp3, filetype:zip, filetype:doc etc. - Nathan Chase

Christoper: (via Bret) "Unfortunately we only can play back MP3s at this point. The iPhone voice memos are in M4A (AAC), so we really want to support them, but it is a bit more difficult with Flash and our media setup at the moment." - Ross Miller

\m/ - metalerik

abi allah tuttuğunuzu altın etsin **love** - Ahmet Alp Balkan

Jason, I might be with you on this one. - Johnny

This is nice! Very nice! - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

Yippie-kai-yay :)))) - A.T.

Thanks, Ross. The paid app, iProRecorder http://www.iprorecorder.com/ suffers the same limitations. - Christopher Harley

NICE!!! Been waiting for this... thanks FriendFeed team! - AJ Batac

Cool! FF is becoming more of a platform of choice for me. Thanks guys :) - Dilip Dand

Very Cool !!! - Eric Logan

I'm not sure that I'm going to use that feature (I rarely share docs over the internet that weren't created in Zoho or GDocs, anyway), but still it looks pretty neato. - Miss Elle

Bret, do you have any restrictions to protect against music filesharers etc so you do not become an RIAA target? - Travis Koger

@ Travis: I was just wondering the same. - Brian Chang

Bret Taylor, a friend of mine uploaded 1 mp3 and it disappeared. Now he can't upload any mp3 file, seeing a [The "" file type is not supported]. Broken message? - Jason Nunnelley

"You can only upload 3 audio files every day. Please try again later." Too bad because I was really just trying to see what files worked. .wav aint one of them. No audio notes from Evernote, iPhone, iProRecorder. I soooo want to love this but It's not doing what I need it to do. This feature needs to support some kind of multi photo post with a recording appended to the message. That should be right out of the box. Video needs to come right behind it. Music is cool but citizen journalism is even cooler. - Christopher Harley

seriously useful. - Calvin Ayre

I haven't tested this but, how exactly are you determining audio file types, just using the file extension. If so there is a work around with a simple file rename, an example would be if you change an .mp3 to a .pdf and let people rename it once it becomes local on their machine. EDIT: This workaround would also allow video to be transferred. - Jimminy Fuller

Maybe I don't know enough, but doesn't this kind of open the door to slipping malicious code to unsuspecting users? - Fleagle

this is the best thing I know this morning when I open my eyes, well done! - K.D.

that is AWESOME! - Fa La La La Lindsay

Fleagle: It is possible that someone would do that but FriendFeed is fairly well self monitored. It is still a small group of people in comparison to other networks. - Jimminy Fuller

Glad for this feature, though perhaps close partnership with Box.net or similar could keep FF storage costs better contained? Not criticizing, just hoping Core Team doesn't get distracted by extending (and babysitting) commodity services. Keep up the great work! - michael silverton

Kudos on the added features! - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

可以分享文件，friendfeed更好用了。 - 老巫师

哇塞，这个强的。 I like it. - xiawinter

Wow. Just wow. Thanks. - Laura Norvig

NICE! Thanks for the info. - Cyndi ~ @muchmorethanmom

Tell us more. Tell us EVERYTHING about the file "FF secret plans.pdf" shown in the blogpost <http://friendfeed-media.com/0fe9b6e...>. - ianf ⌘

Oh, very awesome! - Scott Magdalein

It's *machine code*. - Karl Knechtel

Karl: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

So we can setup private groups and share questionable files ? :) - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

That's pretty much what I was saying, Ahsan. I did one earlier as a test to prove my point, (NOTE: it is a clean file, direct from Revision 3) at http://friendfeed.com/jimminy... - Jimminy Fuller

Excellent! Thank you! - Diego Barros 

"Rapidshare Fined $34 Million for Copyright Infringement" (http://mashable.com/2009...) - Ozkan Altuner

Hmmm @Ryo, good catch, posting directly from Android to FF your voice messages, would be cool! - Ozkan Altuner

Can we tell the lawyers that they "won" and give them all the money? Then start over with a new set of I.P. laws and a new currency? Pretty please? - Richard pancakhaus Walker

Must you force downloads on HTML files? - Raphael, Raphael

This is great. I'll try this instead of posting to Ipernity. - Rick Cogley

Seems like a good step in the right direction indeed the concerns are founded based on previous experiences but it is a good start. - Ubuntu101

Is it possible to set it up as part of the feed like a podcast? - Ubuntu101

Excellento - inline playing of mp3 files at last - this will be dangerous. But is there are limit?? - Chris Loft

embedding mp3's is just fine when it works .. I've been trying to get a podcast rss feed I have setup imported for the past 8 hours straight only to find out that each time it's not importing squat. - John Blanton from twhirl

I take that back it worked once but everything in the description tags showed up twice. - John Blanton from twhirl

:( Apparently not *.pdn files (Paint.Net) - Raphael, Raphael

Thx! FF continues to rock :) - Krishnamoorthy

why the limit on audio files? - Tyler Gillies

Can us folks with Symbian OS-based devices have some Adaptive Multi-Rate codec/AMR file love, too? I believe that some Samsung and NEC phones also use that audio file format... - Tyson Key

Oh, and Google Earth KML files, and Ogg Vorbis files aren't supported right now either, for what it's worth. Still, it's a nice idea, so far. - Tyson Key

wow :) - Mucio

I'm disappointed that the PDF of your secret plans is only 1.2 mb. Surely there's more? - Dnl

anyone know the file size limit? - Julian Seery Gude

My old Motorola Que made .3gp files too. Facebook can process them. You want to be at least as cool as Facebook, right? - Daniel J. Pritchett

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice! - Micah Wittman

FYI Micah, it works with *.user.js files... you know what that means... - Mitch

*happy dance* this is really innovative and highly useful...thanks FF :) - Susan Beebe

oh heck yes - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Tried to share an .hta file with Micah yesterday....couldn't attach it. Tried to zip it and still couldn't attach it. Ended up tossing it in my dropbox and posting the link. :-( - April Russo (app103)

LOL at the FF secret plans.pdf!! - Darren Heydon

fijidaddy to fijidaddy's feed, iPhone, The Apple Room

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FriendFeed Feedback: Ken Morley

Advanced search operators for file attachments (e.g. mp3:, pdf:)

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What about picking up Google's operators instead? filetype:mp3, filetype:pdf, etc. - Mark Trapp

ع.ش. to ع.ش.'s feed, FriendFeed Feedback

We need link stats, like bit.ly

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looking at the number of comments & likes works pretty well - Mike Chelen

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Link stats could be interesting, why not use bit.ly itself? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

maybe if sites like bit.ly supported a "post to friendfeed" option it would be easier to use them together? - Mike Chelen

I am using bit.ly now. But I have to use twitterfeed for automating it. Friendfeed generates short paths itself. Why not add stats to it. I publish my friendfeed to twitter and facebook. Therefor the likes and comments does not give me the actual clicks. - ع.ش.

Marshall Kirkpatrick

How One Teacher Uses Twitter in the Classroom http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... (cool video from UofT)

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My own effort is at http://cit499.info - Thomas Ho from FriendFeed MT Plugin

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Check out Eminem's new single Beautiful on The Video Tube http://fli.gg/50Qtpgwb #musicmonday - Alexander Maxham

the coolest thing I saw on the Internet today, there is some hope for innovation in the education systems - Dobromir Hadzhiev

Very cool. - Bryan Entzminger

MG Siegler

Just heard a FriendFeed namedrop on CNN.

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Oh no....They are all going to head over here from Twitter :) - Adam Martin

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Time to go private. - Cristo

Link would be nice. - Matt Ruiz

friendfeed is the next "big thing" - Calvin Ayre

Stay away! - Andrew Trinh

Doh... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

I can't say "stay away" necessarily: FF needs new people if it's going to survive. I just have to face the fact that I might have to change how I use the service to get through the influx of new people. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Great.. I don't want FF to turn in to twitter. :( - Johnny

At worst, the sheeple will open a whole bunch of new accounts, and then half (or more) will never really use the service. Just like Twitter. - CAJ, somewhere else

Ha true. I'm not looking forward to gaining 10-20 followers a day (50% of them being porn/spam) - Johnny

Johnny: I've been gaining about 1,000 new followers a week here in friendfeed and have been at that pace for weeks. It's just a matter of time before the mainstream shows up. - Robert Scoble

Ummm... FF can't possibly turn into another twitter. It's awful easy to get rid of any marketer or spammer, etc. Noise is much easier to manage here than on our poor "slow" cousin site. - Chrimmus Tad

Tad - What would you say makes the difference between getting rid of spammers here on FF as compared to Twitter? I don't see it. - Mitch

Robert: I know the "masses" will eventually flock to FriendFeed, but like we have discussed before, its just sad to come to that realization - Johnny

Mitch, once I block them, they Are gone from everything. Search, threads etc. Spam on Twitter still shows up in search - Johnny Worthington

Johnny: That's interesting, I didn't know that. I feel a lot better about spammers on FF now! :) - Johnny

Ahh ok. I didn't know that, thanks. - Mitch

FriendFeed is going mainstream :) No wonder I keep seeing white bubbles - Nicholas James

Learn to use Block and to delete comments on your own items. FriendFeed is already set up for decentralized spam-fighting with those two features. We're just not used to having to use them. If we hit back hard when the spam influx comes, they'll give up. They aren't stupid, just greedy. - Bruce Lewis

Johnny: Report them to the FriendFeed Spam Report Group:http://friendfeed.com/friendf... they get removed pretty quickly - Nicholas James

MG, I heard the same thing :) Opps we better get ready! - Myrna

Keep them away!!! - Jesse Stay

I keep seeing white bubbles and I'm following 31k users there are a lot of new people around here - Nicholas James

Nicholas: me too! - Robert Scoble

brlewis - While it's true that we have our own spam-fighting tools, if spam makes FriendFeed a chore it's going to lose a lot of users. - Mitch from IM

I haven't seen spam be much of a problem on FF yet. If it does become a problem, I think a public feed should have the option to only allow subscribers to comment on threads. - Cristo

Luckily, Mitch, it's super easy to deal with spam on FF. Report the user here http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and then block the user so you never have to see them. It works a charm, and the FF staff is very quick to remove spam accounts. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

they're quick now, yes - Mitch from IM

Well, we can help take care of each other in a way. When you report a spammer to the room, cross post that item to your main feed. That will let everyone that follows you know to block that person so they won't see them while we wait for FF to remove them. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Mitch, I don't think FriendFeed has to be any more of a chore than email, and will probably continue to be less. In some ways growth will make it less of a chore. When ten users block an account, you won't need to report to any spam room, for example. - Bruce Lewis

Bruce - Agreed. If FriendFeed can come up with an algorithm as effective as Gmail's I'll be in heaven. - Mitch

Bring it! We're ready! Block rocks on FF -they can't see you, you can't see them. :) Deleting comments is awesome too (so other's can't see that crap too!!) More peeps is better peeps in this case I think. Why let Twitter have all the fun? - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

At least it's not a FriendFeed name drop in the Twilight saga (a la xkcd, a week or so ago). - Brian Chang

Stay alert, people. Welcome those who bring something authentic to the table, cut off the spammers/noise-makers. Vigilance :) - Micah Wittman

I don't understand why people would be afraid of more people. You've been on a new service for a couple of months and all of a sudden it's "yours". Anyway, use your lists wisely and you can follow many many people. Threaded and likeable comments would be nice of there were to be a lot more people here. - TobiasVerhoog.com

Tobias: because we know that more noise comes with more people. Twitter today is far less interesting and far less personal than it was when it was smaller. - Robert Scoble

Also, early adopters are far more engaged than late adopters and we like being around passionate people, not around folks who aren't engaged. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I'm not engaged, I don't plan on getting married for a while yet. Oh... I see... engaged :). - Daniel Rowley

I agree new people will bring noise, but you follow about 25k people here and still seem to make something out of it with hiding the right entries and lists. So I guess the other people in this thread could manage some more subscriptions. - TobiasVerhoog.com

Let's hide and stay quiet ... but then again for useful shares there's always space. - Peter van Teeseling

I'm not worried. FriendFeed is not Twitter. Twitter has no friend management. Has no private rooms. Doesn't have likes and the filtering system it affords. These all will keep FriendFeed interesting for years, even as the celebrities and marketers show up. - Robert Scoble

so IM notifications are coming in as they happen; browser is still holding queued items - Peter van Teeseling from IM

Alright, let's make a huge private group with everybody in it that is on friendfeed right now.... (Totally agree with Robert on that last point btw.) - TobiasVerhoog.com

I almost agree with Tobias above, except that I have already blocked a number of spammers here on FriendFeed. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

I would think that media professionals would want to camp on friendfeed for extended collaboration on emerging news topics. - Dave

I would think you're totally right Dave. It's a great venue for doing just that. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Sweet. - Louis Gray

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Reading: "Rules of Engagement for Journalists on Twitter" (PBS) - http://www.pbs.org/mediash...

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Cell Phone Execs Will Face Questions On Text Messaging Price Hikes | NEWS JUNKIE - http://mynewsjunkie.com/2009...

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Those cell phone companies will have a lot of explaining to do Tuesday when they testify at a U.S. Senate committee hearing on rising text messaging costs. Representatives from Verizon, AT&T, and Cricket will be faced with questions on why those short 160 character SMS messages are costing the consumer too much. - Leo Laporte

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Leo, I believe it was you who reported that based on AT&T's text messaging fee SMS messages cost consumers somewhere around $1500 per MB of data? - jcunwired

The painful pricing structure of these companies is why I don't really use my cell phone for anything more than the occasional call. I'm not prepared to risk the assorted extra charges that come with SMS, or web use. - Eoghann Irving

any guesses on what they say will be the reason for these prices ? - Kashif Khan

http://mobilejones.com/2007... My article on SMS charging hit the front page of digg in 2007. The high cost of SMS has been a known in the mobile industry for a long time. I remember being shocked that many of my web friends hadn't thought of the costs per MB, - Debi Jones

Not only do they charge absurd prices, but most don't even include texting in the unlimited data plans. I pay 30 dollars a month for iPhone data and pay 15 more on top of that for 1500 texts. THat is outrageous. - Grant

Interesting that they are questioning Cricket at the same time as the larger carriers. We have Cricket here and they offer unlimited calling including unlimited text messaging for only $40/month. Maybe they want to know why Cricket can offer reasonable pricing while the larger, national carriers continue to gouge their customers. - Joshua Blevins

They should also be grilled about the cost of data plans. - Kashif Khan

I don't use text messaging, so I don't have it on my iPhone. That saves me $20 every month. A small victory! - Paul Ring

I don't have texting either, but got stuck paying 60 cents for two porn spam messages! - Sandy Curry

I could be wrong, but I thought the reason SMS was so expensive was because they want to discourage people from using it, since texts can saturate the network. You can't really compare it to email, because SMS works like a phone call and doesn't use the data connection. - Daniel Sims

SMS does use the control channel, but that's it. It doesn't really saturate the network since it doesn't create a connection like an actual phone call. It's a 1-way message and it's not a guaranteed receipt either. Oh, and those that actually look at the cost per MB are incorrect since it's that channel itself isn't used in the same fashion as data connections. SMS uses control channel... more... - Ben Hwang

You have to pay to receive SMS? Which Dodo brain though of that one? There would be a revolt in Europe if they tried that! - David Wright from twhirl

New Zealand has two networks, one gives 500/1000 texts 'free' for $10. the other gives free weekends if you spend a certain amount during the week. - Robbie Steele

actually there are that kind of things in Europe. Some service providers (ringtones for example) may charge your phone bill by sending SMS. You can for exmple have a monthly subscription for ringtones and they are charging you by sending two SMSes. This is ofcourse problematic, as the consumer can not easily deny from paying and in a case of dispute the operator stands in between. - Jani Kenttälä from IM

True, but those are subscription services, not "normal" SMS messages. - David Wright from twhirl

@Ben: If the SMS uses the control channel, which is in use and always active anyway, why should there even be a charge for SMS? The network infrastructure is already there, so really the extra data does not make an impact. - Nils Sandin

On an additional point, as mentioned above, regular incoming SMS are not charged in Europe (unless roaming abroad), and outbound SMS can cost as little as 0.09€ (13 cents) on a pre-paid plan (w/o commitment for 500 or 1000 messages you might never use). - Nils Sandin

It's called Capitalism. No government intervention necessary. If the consumer doesn't like it, they should stop paying for it. In other words, move to a company that doesn't charge so much or stop using the service. The market will then be forced to change. - Chad McCoskey

Chad, because of that system we also have the most primitive cell phone networks and system in the 1st world. Unfettered capitalism isn't always what's best. - Chrimmus Tad from fftogo

I think that's part of the problem -- they've all raised their prices at once, so there's no alternative provider. I used to have a sensible option in the US which didn't charge me for incoming messages, but that's been long gone. - John Flinchbaugh from IM

I mentioned the Pre but I think I got away with it! - Kevin J Hatton

Chad, since the government sells the spectrum licences, they can put some restrictions. Do you remember that http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2007...? - Jérôme Flipo

Tad, so what? We forget that cell service and a whole host of other things we take for granted now are luxuries not necessities. I love my iPhone but if I felt the prices weren't acceptable or if another option was better either a phone or pricing plan, I'd go there. My point is that it's all well and good to complain, but protest with what companies value most: your money. - Chad McCoskey

Chad, can you list necessities, beyond air, water, food and security? The issues at stake are the four characteristics of the market http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... and the government role in preventing tacit collusion. Also, take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.... - Jérôme Flipo

Jerome, you're right about the necessities which is exactly my point. We don't all "deserve" high quality cell service for free and in the case of a non necessity, if all companies offering that product charge the same amount then maybe the populace should decide if they should really spend their money on it. If you don't like the cost of text messages then don't use the service and if the majority of people does that companies will either stop the service or lower prices. - Chad McCoskey

I have an iPhone with no text plan because they are obscenely priced. I'm not happy about $25/mo for unlimited data but I'm doing my best to get my money's worth. I'll just call or send an email rather than pay $.50 for a text - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

Daniel, thank you for proving my point. More people should follow suit if they don't like the cost. By the way, I have text on my phone and make sure I don't go over my limit. - Chad McCoskey

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Paul Buchheit

In Python, what is the value of this expression: x % 3.3 == (x+1) % 3.3

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Unless it has a bug the answer is false - Dave Winer

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False, I would expect, because no number is congruent to itself plus one mod 3.3, and Python modulo is sane with respect to negative numbers. You can't add 1 to a string, and only numbers and strings admit the % operator. Is there a trick? - ⓞnor

I cheated and ran it in the interactive interpreter. Its false for all numeric values of x I tried. Amazingly a string cannot be taken modulo 3.3. (Edit: I mean its a dynamic language after all, a string modulo 3.3 should skip every third letter or something equally clever but useless). - DGentry

Yes, there is a trick. - Paul Buchheit

I'll assume that the trick doesn't involve a user-defined class that defines __mod__, as that would be cheap. - Tudor Bosman

No, the solution is not a trick. This was an actual bug that I had in my code (don't cheat, Tudor). - Paul Buchheit

Is precedence the problem? - Daniel Dulitz

does it involve integer/long overflow? - Eric Kerr

There is no long overflow in Python (longs are arbitrarily large). I'm waiting for the answer to Daniel's question. - Tudor Bosman

It's True for certain values of x. I leave it to you to determine which values :) - Paul Buchheit

Paul, as you said "values of x", I'm assuming that this is not a precedence issue. That is, if I have def foo(x): return x % 3.3 == (x+1) % 3.3, then foo(x) will be True for some values of x. - Tudor Bosman

True for x = 1e+100 (insufficient precision to represent the +1). What do I win? - ⓞnor

True for 1e32 - Joe Beda ()

Ha ha, beat you. :) - ⓞnor

Heh -- by like 6 seconds. Real time, bitch. - Joe Beda ()

okay, now I have to look at the code to see what you were using large floats for :) - Tudor Bosman

Yeah, I'm wondering about the context. (Assuming this was the case you had in mind.) - ⓞnor

Yeah, somewhere around x=2**53 the loss of precision on the int to float conversion causes it to lose the +1 and the expression is True. - Paul Buchheit

Liked for the real time smackdown. Hi Joe! Long time no see. How's the family? We gotta get up to Seattle again soon to see all my friends there. - Robert Scoble

Pie - Chrimmus Tad

x was the hash() of a string, and at some point the values returned by hash() must have gotten a lot larger than when I had originally written the code. - Paul Buchheit

To me, nothing:-) - Francine Hardaway

You're taking hash values modulo 3.3? - ⓞnor

Hey Scoble -- definately -- I'd be happy to show you around the Google Seattle office. - Joe Beda ()

Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input. - Meg v. Meg v. 1.0.0.1

Wolfram|Alpha is never sure what to do with _my_ input. - Paul Buchheit

Wolfram|Alpha just hangs for me most of the time. - Joe Beda ()

If I have a counter 'i', then i % 3 == 0 will be True 1/3 of the time, but what if I want it to be True with some other arbitrary probability (such as 1/pi), but non-randomly? (so that the values are distributed as evenly as possible) This was my solution (except with > instead of ==). It's kind of overkill, but I couldn't resist the puzzle. - Paul Buchheit

I think a normal person would have done "hash(i) % 1000 < 318" or the like... but sure, it's cute that you do the modulo directly in floating point space. Cute until the gremlins of floating point *eat your brains*. There's a reason we stay away from that stuff! - ⓞnor

Okay - it gets stranger -- I wrote a binary search to find the inflection point. I didn't get what I expected. x=9007500000000000 -> True, x=9007500000000000+1 -> False, x=9007500000000000+51 -> True. There is something strange going on. Python version 2.5.4 (r254:67916, Apr 1 2009, 17:38:54) \n[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5490)] - Joe Beda ()

Wolfram|Alpha also returns True around 2^53: http://www26.wolframalpha.com/input... - Karim

Dan, that solution would produce unnecessarily long sequences of zeros (or ones). Once I have that, I may as well just use random(). On the other hand, [int((i+1) % f > i % f) for i in range(0, 30)] will not produce any adjacent zeros if f is >= 2. - Paul Buchheit

You could use fixed point if you had a typed language and could select longs to hold the result, e.g if you want 3.3, then (counter * 10 + increment) % 33. Overflow bugs are insidious, these days languages should have support for arbitrary precision promotion. I'm reminded of Joshua Bloch's "Nearly All Binary Searches are Broken" blog post: http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2006... - Ray Cromwell

Python already has arbitrarily large longs Ray (no integer overflow), so it should not be vulnerable to Joshua's binary search bug. I'm not sure what "counter" and "increment" are in your example though. - Paul Buchheit

Oh, I see, you want evenly interleaved values with the appropriate distribution? Then why were you using hash() at all? - ⓞnor

The hash() provides a starting position (hash(feed_id) + i). This is used by the crawl, and I don't want all the feeds having the same True/False values at the same time. The hash provides an even distribution across feeds, and the other part provides an even distribution across time. - Paul Buchheit

Paul, counter in your case would be hash(feed_id), and increment would be 'i' I'm guessing, the amount you want to add each time. The idea is, if you want to say, mimic x + 0.1 % 3.3, you instead use x * 10 + 1 % 33. Then, if you have arbitrary precision integers, you'll never overflow (the float mantissa/round-off error) - Ray Cromwell

Ray, the even easier solution was to use hash % 1000000 so that I'm nowhere near the floating point rounding error :). - Paul Buchheit

No objection there, keep it simple, and floats will be faster than arbitrary precision longs I suspect. :) - Ray Cromwell

Marshall Kirkpatrick

I've written about Twitter passing WSJ/NYT in traffic, how we use Twitter for journalism, Twitter's tech partnerships, Twitter as a world changing technology platform, how Twitter pays my rent, how Twitter can be used for competitive intelligence, I wrote the SHIT out of last week's replies fiasco. Guess how many of 47 Twitter employees follow me.

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it's not about me feeling entitled to be followed, almost every person there follows like 150 people. it's about a. whether they use the tool the way many of the rest of us do and thus know how best to use it (there's awesome potential) - Marshall Kirkpatrick

and b. whether they even care. - Marshall Kirkpatrick

I'm feeling sad about the future of twitter b/c I worry that the company is just going to dumb it down for mainstream users when it used to be this huge open platform with SO much potential for innovation. even if they didn't want to use it that way, it's tragic if they muzzle it so that mainstream users don't get scared away. twitter is supposed to be world changing tech, that can be frightening, but it's important - Marshall Kirkpatrick

someone please tell me I'm wrong about this so I can go back to being really excited about Twitter again! - Marshall Kirkpatrick

your wrong* feel better now? ;-)... (*have no idea if you really are wrong btw) - Steve O'Hear

I wish I could. I've been feeling similarly in recent weeks. I've even started to wonder if Twitter Inc understands Twitter. ;) - phil baumann

My guess would be that they way they see it, they have their heads down driving towards ubiquity and establishing Twitter as a standard platform. Building market share, so to speak. Everything that doesn't contribute directly to the number of users on the platform can wait. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, that sounds accurate and really dangerous. - Marshall Kirkpatrick

Ken's probably right. - phil baumann

<snip>use the tool the way many of the rest of us do<snip> This is a common mistake made by first movers and early adopters. The way *we* use it is not the only, best or even most profitable way. Which isn't to suggest they have a plan in place that will work -- simply that basing the assumption on how it is used by a small, tiny sect of the population (the digerati) is not a way to... more... - Brad_King

Marshall. Why don't we all decide to start ignoring them. Maybe that will teach them. They get too much free publicity for a poor job done in the past months ;-) - Alexander van Elsas

Brad, that's a thoughtful comment for sure. To put it in context, though, hiding messages due to fear of information overload **on Twitter** is a clear move away from open, in my mind. - Marshall Kirkpatrick

Brad - kinda like duct tape: can be used in ways never originally intended. - phil baumann

do we need to relegate Twitter to the yet-another-mass-market source and find the next thing that allows power-consumers to thrive? I.E. what folks are now using FriendFeed for? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I don't know what Twitter Inc hopes to become. I think it's service would be as facilitator. i just don't know what it should facilitate. So far it looks like they're facilitating things for celebs. - phil baumann

@Marshall: certainly there will be missteps. I am more interested in how they respond and what they do to fix those mistakes. In the dev world, errors happen all the time. HOW they respond to such mistakes, I think, are where we see what will become of Twitter. (And by open, I meant opening the architecture, not open information - I am more concerned by the dearth of usable Twitter applications than the @ fiasco) - Brad_King

Marshall - why does it matter if they follow you? How many of the people who have subscribed to your work, retweeted your tweets, etc. do you follow back? Or are you concerned they aren't even paying attention to what's being written about them? - phil baumann

Brad - good points I think. The response to the @ deal was pretty bad, though. And really, it is a loss of important opportunities to connect with new people on the service. - Marshall Kirkpatrick

They don't use the tool like we do. When the @replies flap happened, I checked @ev and @biz's accounts. Combined they'd only posted three tweets in 24 hours. - Aaron B. Hockley

Hey Marshall, why don't you start by following back the other 7,000 people on your list? yah, there ya go! ;^) - Michael Bailey

Phil, yes that is the case. I'm worried about them not listening to what their community of users says about the service. - Marshall Kirkpatrick

to me it appears that all twitter inc cares about is their exit, not the stability or scalability of their product nor the thoughtful analysis of most anyone interested in offering advice - mike "glemak" dunn

As I understand it, it's as much an engineering issue as it is a marketing/usability one. - Steve O'Hear

Steve, except that a number of the twitter devs also did not know that the @reply change had happened and advocated internally to reverse it - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Marshall, your point is well taken. I'm not adverse to asymmetrical follows; I think it's prudent if track is used in connection with it. I'm with Ken here -- I think they're just in pedal-to-the-metal-build-market-share mode. This wouldn't bother me if they had one person -- one employee -- who had the task of interfacing with the community; representing twitter, engaging in conversation. I even offered to do it for free...they didn't notice. :) In some circles, it's called community management. :) - Karoli

:) Michael, fwiw, I follow about 100 times more people than anyone who works at Twitter does. Karoli, that's a fair point. - Marshall Kirkpatrick

Marshall - I have the same concern. It doesn't appear that they're listening. It's ironic that they have a great platform to interface with their followers/fans but don't seem to in a creative, enthusiastic way. In fact, the recent communications seemed to have been sarcastic. - phil baumann

Marshall, yeah I see that. I think that everyone should use http://mobatalk.com since I'm just one guy doing it all by myself, debt up to my eyes, I care about our community, and nobody seems to care. - Michael Bailey

Not to change the subject, but can we talk about how in the same week Twitter messes with Replies, Tumblr launched another 'dumb down' feature called "Tumblarity" that seems to do the same thing: and that is discourage conversation and encourage people to pump out 'viral' content that appeals to the widest/lowest denominator. - Mark Schoneveld

Michael - I'll have to tweet that out. - phil baumann

It's really funny when everyone thought that "Tom" made myspace - what a bunch of marketing crap - here's a guy who really is doing it by himself and there's nobody talking about it. - Michael Bailey

Thanks @phil - Michael Bailey

sorry Marshall, I didn't mean to come in here and hijack your conversation - leaving now.... - Michael Bailey

Marshall: Twitter has been like this for a long time. Why do you think I'm pushing Friendfeed so hard for the past 16 months? - Robert Scoble

Scoble, you aren't even "on" friendfeed - I've tried having a conversation w/you there. You just pump feeds into it. - Michael Bailey

I'm wondering what Twitter, Inc. would look like if it had FF peeps running things. Just a speculative question. - phil baumann

I do think that they are strategically NOT listening to the tech press. Which is actually pretty smart to some extent. That way they focus on the bigger world and don't worry about getting on TechCrunch or in RWW. - Robert Scoble

Robert, they don't have to listen to the tech press. However, they ought to be listening to their community. Proactively. - Karoli

I agree w Robert, it would be smarter to NOT listen to the fishbowl - Michael Bailey

Michael, you mean except for Scoble's 21000 comments and 18000 likes on friendfeed? - Christopher Galtenberg

Christopher, no that's not what I mean at all. - Michael Bailey

Michael: what the hell are you talking about? I'm here almost all day long and have TONS of conversations with people. - Robert Scoble

Anyway, back to valuable points, like Marshall's - Christopher Galtenberg

Perhaps NOW you are here (I don't come around often much anymore) - it's not important. No arguments needed. - Michael Bailey

i agree with scoble....i have been moving to friendfeed because it a) lets me piece the conversation about my company together and b) has an infrastructure that actually works. if you could get all your twitter followers to friendfeed, why would you even need twitter? - Crackle

Michael: it's funny. You only have commented here 33 times. Who the hell are you to tell me that I don't have conversations here? - Robert Scoble

Scalability and performance had to be central to their decision making. Removing features (@) doesn't make sense. You've got to wonder why they didn't go down the path that Jive took and look to move toward virtualization technology. A partnership with Amazon should be a no brainer since Bezos is on the board. Not enough cash maybe? - Kim Feraday

Thanks Christopher, next time just punch me in the face. - Michael Bailey

Twitter's advantage is only the number of people already signed up. It's a subset of friendfeed. - Brent Logan

Robert's got a great point about listening to the tech crowd. I just get the sense that Twitter may not be leading the service a path that maximizes what Twitter is worth (if anything). What's Twitter's vision? - phil baumann

Bait is bait, Robert. You bit. conversation derailed. one of my fundamental objections to the flat thread is how easily a thread can be hijacked. - Karoli

"Hey Robert - are you up for some beta testing in about 10 days or so? April 6" - that's the only one I was talking about. - Michael Bailey

Phil: And again, I repeat...Twitter doesn't have to listen to the techies. It *does* need to listen to the community, interact, and respond, proactively. - Karoli

Karoli: yeah, I'm thinking of blocking Michael. He's obviously an asshole to say something like that. So I missed his message. Geesh. - Robert Scoble

Twitter is bigger, faster, and more high profile than anything the management team has done before, and their own personal celebrity seems to have become the growth engine instead of the users behavior and ideas. New users is fine, but retention is going to be critical to be valuable. I think they need to say no to a few PR invitations and possibly and adult supervisor to bring them back to reality. Maybe that's already in the works... - Nancy King

Karoli - whatever, but before you do, take notice of what a "closed loop" you are making this seem like. No wonder nobody wants to come in here. - Michael Bailey

Karoli - agree about the listening to community. Not necessarily act on what users think they want, but listen at some level. At least not alienate those who might be useful to their growth. - phil baumann

Troll - Christopher Galtenberg

It's all great that Ev and Biz built something successful, but I think it's time they hand it off to some folks who can manage it properly. - Aaron B. Hockley

JFC, now I am an asshole? - Michael Bailey

oh snap, Marshall! My guess is 3. - jeannie christensen

MK, My experience is that my outlook is blasted as crazy or simply misunderstood. The platforms which will continue on the web are the ones which serve the Elite who control most things on this earth. Twitter as currently configured gives the little man too much power, and will be brought under control so as to be useful to a small number of people. - bill giltner

Michael: yes. When you call me out for missing a single direct message on a series of days when traffic was extraordinarily high you are an asshole. If you really cared you would have tried again. - Robert Scoble

Michael: especially when I have 18,000 comments here and you only have 33. - Robert Scoble

@Scoble, Michael: Take the pissing somewhere else. We were discussing Twitter. - Brad_King

Marshall, Jeannie's back on track: how many are following you? Out of curiosity. - phil baumann

i suggest that friendfeed's comment strings have the "thumbs up" "thumbs down" feature similar to youtube to help keep the conversation on track and hide irrelevant comments - Crackle

great advice, shall I forward the emal and the DM that I followed up with? - Michael Bailey

ok Brad, sorry - I get a bit upset when people call me names. Sorry, let's move along. - Michael Bailey

From an engineering standpoint, I agree with the new @replies rules. - Michael Bailey

Brad: sorry for getting off topic here. - Robert Scoble

maybe most of us have less than 10k followers, but there are enough "big ones" now and that creates a lot of database pressure - Michael Bailey

TWO. that's the answer, that was first comment I left. Lead scientist and Rael D. are following me on Twitter, that is all. It's not about me, really, though. It's about listening and participating. - Marshall Kirkpatrick

@Aaron: there's a long valley tradition of that. Michael Lewis wrote a good book, The New, New Thing, about Jim Clark's role trying to transition from start-up to company. (Lewis was a prof of mine in grad school). It offers some interesting insights on what founders go through trying to take their "Blood" and turn it into a community use project. I think Twitter is simply going through this crossroads transition. - Brad_King

@Michael, Scoble: We still love everyone. Sidetracks happen :) - Brad_King

Phil, lots of issues could have been headed off at the pass with someone talking to the community at large. Example: API throttling. Most users saw it as a power play rather than a necessity. What the twitter dudes don't get is that their community isn't just geeks and celebs. Lots of regular folk who are trying to get it. - Karoli from BuddyFeed

right, @tropical, yet those @ replies still had to be sorted through - Michael Bailey

Twitter's employees don't use Twitter the way we want them to, Marshall. Have you taken a look at any of their favorite tweet streams? There is a story there. :) - Louis Gray

Who thinks Twitter right now is being used the way it was originally intended (whatever that was)? - phil baumann

original intent? hell no, they didn't even know what it was going to be used for. - Michael Bailey

Marshall, they don't seem to be very plugged in. http://twitter.100twt.com/ - Dave Winer

I guess it really doesn't matter what we say in here, Twitter still has $55MM sitting around - Michael Bailey

Their original intent has evolved. that's what happens when you open something up to the community. No single developer can imagine every application for something this simple. Twitter+mobile=gamechanger. Still, there are lessons to learn from MySpace, Friendster, etc. that they don't appear to have learned. - Karoli

Until a real community ponies up some cash for membership, any new service is always going to be looking for an exit, and in doing so will fuck over the very community which made it what it is. - Michael Bailey

@Dave If I had to guess I'd say they are quite well plugged in, just not into the "tech crowd" or their own service. But they do quite well generating lots of talk in the world outside of Silicon valley. They've clearly made a choice to ignore this space. - Alexander van Elsas

I believe the future of micro-blogging as we know it today with all followers seeing all posts is only sustainable in a defined group. - Pierre-Armand Lalonde

Michael: see your friendfeed account, I'm talking to you on your other message. - Robert Scoble

@Alexender: Ignore may be too harsh. The reality is the digerati are a small subset of who any company needs to reach. They are simply ALSO listening to other people (is my guess). We don't get our way all the time just because we were here first. (Which isn't to say I don't want my way too.) - Brad_King

just to be clear again: I'm just using this as a data point re listening to conversations about the twitter technology, not saying I'm in any way entitled to be followed by anyone. fwiw, though, I do have more followers than all but like 5 or 6 of the 47 people on twitter staff and I talk about twitter all the time. so community members find my tweets interesting, just not the ppl i'm tweeting about. - Marshall Kirkpatrick

Dave Winer: is that stream twitter employees only? could it be true that one of them doesn't know what friendfeed is? - Karoli

Karoli - and I guess that's what I'm trying to get at. If you invent something without knowing how far it might go (that is, not having a vision), how do you lead the venture? Is something like Twitter even "leadable"? Or will Twitter turn out to be too fundamental a service to be a business venture? - phil baumann

Marshall: you are not the only one to notice that Twitter's staff isn't participating in the community. Here's another test. Why is Oprah recommended to me to follow? Why isn't someone like Leo Laporte recommended? Or Dave Winer? Both have been using Twitter a lot longer. - Robert Scoble

Robert - it appears that Twitter's going for the celebrity market, whatever that'll look like. If that's the case, it doesn't seem to be a very creative vision. - phil baumann

Or, even worse, Twitter recommends to me to follow a cat, which is obviously a fake account. Why should I follow a cat and not Leo Laporte? - Robert Scoble

I was the 10,280th person to start using Twitter - recommend me - Michael Bailey

Phil, that's where community is the critical piece, which goes to Marshall's point. If they are not part of the community *they* created, should we worry? I think, yes, we should. Ignoring community means they don't understand their own product. - Karoli

Robert, the Twitter team is not following early adopters or the developer community. But the Twitter team does follow the celebs. It's clear what they want to be when they grow up. - Louis Gray

@Robert you know that is because they are on steroids. Growth is more important than user value. An old web 2.0 flaw ;-) - Alexander van Elsas

Twitter is simply the first [service] to offer this new [technology]. as Dan York says, we didn't know we were missing a medium until Twitter showed us. That's exciting. But it's silly to think we'll all use this one Web site in the future, or a different Web site like FriendFeed. Frustrated Twitterati can _now_ take their µblog to their own domain and start collecting followers there... more... - Brian Hendrickson

Nail.on.head - Louis Gray - Matthew DeVries

Ah, so the message is that the only community that matters is the celebrity crowd. ("in crowd" refrains ringing here...) - Karoli

Karoli: celebrities are important to generate hype. It's a brilliant strategy. But one that I think will ultimately leave Twitter wanting. - Robert Scoble

No any community that can gather 1M followers in week :) - Pierre-Armand Lalonde

Brian Hendrickson: Until they all talk to each other (and they don't right now), they're not relevant. I am a hard-core Identica denizen, but since there's no bridge from twitter back to identica, i don't use it as much. Why? Because the majority of those I call "community" are on Twitter. My social graph is there. - Karoli

oh, at the core it all boils down to OCD and Ego's - Michael Bailey

Robert, celebrities are a handful of people. There are millions using Twitter. They seriously cannot manage a handful of celebs and still listen to the larger community? - Karoli

At some point, people who are spending VC money will need to stop being looked at as "leaders" or "visonaries" and we'll need to start talking about people who are actually making this medium pay-off. - Michael Bailey

Karoli: well, they do have other things to do too like make their servers work. It's impressive that they've been able to keep the service mostly up and running. - Robert Scoble

Robert, my point (and it will sound self-serving but I mean it in a much more general way), is that out of 47 employees, not one is tasked with monitoring and interfacing with the community. That strikes me as poor business. - Karoli

@Karoli Twitter execs don't need to follow or listen to anyone as their service grows like crazy without any effort on their side. It's a short term winning strategy, but severely flawed as pointed out here. Question is do they really care? Evidence seems to be pointing towards "don't care" - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander: agree. - Karoli

Alexander - it does appear they don't care. Which begs the question: why do we care? :) - phil baumann

@Karoli my self-serving counterpoint would be something like "I spent 11,000 hours developing a system based on the community feedback, and now nobody cares" so I don't blame Twitter for NOT listening. - Michael Bailey

the "community" is real quick to say things like "follow your passion" or "don't give up" and yet when someone actually sticks it out and makes the technology work, those same people are nowhere to be found. - Michael Bailey

@Karoli there is a bridge http://tw2omb.singpolyma.net/ and my software has the client feature but i'm revamping it at the moment, and I believe identi.ca/evan is working on it for Laconica - Brian Hendrickson

Just because they are not following doesn't mean they are not listening. There are plenty of way to mine the data without having a huge following list. - WorldofHiglet

@WorldofHiglet: well said! - Brad_King

I care because in essence I have always felt Twitter was a GREAT service. That feeling is disappearing fast now that I am forced to pay attention to 95% spam/traffic account following notifications. Takes away all the fun in discovering new people. I will be forced to mark Twitter e-mail notifications as spam, and that is a FAIL for what used to be a great service. - Alexander van Elsas

Michael, I understand the frustration. But twitter has the user base to justify some modicum of community management. - Karoli

@Karoli agreed on the user base, but mixing their technology with the ego-serving attitude of a vocal-minority doesn't work out well. - Michael Bailey

Alexander - ditto - phil baumann

Like I said in another thread, Twitter is evolving. They're evolving into a finely tuned organism optimized to add users at the fastest possible rate with the smallest possible footprint and the minimum amount of engineering effort and infrastructure investment. - Ken Sheppardson

I am far more concerned abt the lack of good Twitter Apps and of a user-interface that allows me to *easily* go through my list of followers, form groups, delete and block, recategorize by location (for when I travel), ect. Those are the user tools that would be *most* beneficial, I think. - Brad_King

WorldofHiglet actions speak louder than words. Not once has Twitter demonstrated that they had the first clue what the community at large was doing or how they were using the service, nor have they indicated that they care. - Karoli

@karoli, those are the 47 Twitter employees in the article that came out last week. And you can tell what they're tuned into by what they talk about, same as anyone else. They don't really talk about much, themselves, they aren't even conversing. I don't think they're following celebs, I don't think they're following anyone. That's just how it looks from reading the conversation. - Dave Winer

@davewiner it's astounding that one of them doesn't know what friendfeed is. - Karoli

@brad_king I could build that, no problem. - Michael Bailey

Here's another bit of data. I did two of these at the same time, one for the people of the NYT on Twitter and the other for the people of Twitter on Twitter. The Times peoplel discovered my thing within 5 minutes (they noticed when the bot followed them) and they were talking about it immediately, and exchanging theories on what it was. As far as I can tell, the Twitter folk don't yet know we're listening to them. - Dave Winer

@karoli I know lots of people that do not know what Friendfeed is. That is a Silicon valley attitude ;-) - Alexander van Elsas

http://nyt.100twt.com/ - Dave Winer

@Michael: what I've suggested isn't rocket science of course. I think it's instructive that twitter (and many 2.0 companies) have overlooked the basics of usability. Would love to see those apps get built. - Brad_King

Dave - that seems to tell us something. So, are they not listening with a purpose/strategy, or just plain old not listening? - phil baumann

@Brad of course, none of this is rocket science, hell even rocket science itself isn't that difficult - I'm agreeing with you that those features in an app would be beneficial. Be warned however, that the "basics of usability" will be trumped if it doesn't readily serve one's ego. - Michael Bailey

Knowing human nature, Phil, it's probably the latter. It probably never occurred to them to listen. - Dave Winer

@Phil: Or, might I suggest a third alternative, they are simply not listening to *you* - Brad_King

Whereas the Times hires people whose profession is to be curious about WTF is going on. - Dave Winer

Yeah @Phil, that's probably true (what Brad said). Heck even Dave Winer doesn't listen to me, why would the Twitter folkeratti? ;^) - Michael Bailey

@Brad - Oh I'm sure they're not. And I don't blame them in that case.:) - phil baumann

Marshall, are you still here? - Michael Bailey

@Phil: hahaha! - Brad_King

Dave Winer popularized recipient-controlled distribution, Jack Dorsey made it 2-way and realtime on a single domain, Evan Prodromou created a way for any site to join a realtime 2-way network. - Brian Hendrickson

Alexander: When a service is built on your product, it seems to me worthwhile to know it exists. When it's one that wins things like Techcrunch 50, it especially seems worthwhile to be aware of its existence. - Karoli

Well yeah, but even RSS which was supposed to provide a "summary" ended up shipping the entire contents of a site around the web. Nobody could expect Twitter to anticipate how their system would be used. Nobody can do that. - Michael Bailey

What a great conversation. looking forward to catching up when I get back from work in the lab. - Brad_King

okay, I lost the post about identi.ca and laconica...but the identi.ca bridge only goes *to* twitter. It needs a lane going the other way...twitter to identi.ca. [EDIT] Found the post, thanks for the link. First I knew this existed! - Karoli

Michael - and I suppose anyone with that kind of visionary powers wouldn't be courting Kelso. - phil baumann

@phil, yeah, and if you find them, invest on my behalf, would ya? ;^) - Michael Bailey

Yes, I had a crude tweet-pulling client working in my OMB, now fixing it. and @singpolyma wrote the bridge I linked to but I haven't tried it yet, and @evan is getting a lot of requests and I spoke to him briefly about it in San Francisco and it seemed a possibility depending on licensing - Brian Hendrickson

Even if we could bring in the top 2,500 Twitter users and ask them for a concise list of all the features of a "killer app" it wouldn't be done. Way too many ideas and implementations for a single app. - Michael Bailey

Yes but when there is a good open source "clone" written in a fast-to-develop language then people will start creating new iterations of this medium - Brian Hendrickson

@Karoli I think that people living outside the Silicon Valley bubble have never heard of TechCrunch or FF. It may be interesting, it's also true that we tend to find things much more important than the rest of the world. They can do without a service like FF and still live happy ever after ;-) - Alexander van Elsas

we don't need a fast-to-develop language (RoR didn't scale, nor will any others). We need people who understand programming, low-overhead, efficient methods, etc. - Michael Bailey

It's "programming" - it's not supposed to be easy. - Michael Bailey

not for a network of millions of microblogs, you're thinking of scaling silos which is different - Brian Hendrickson

Just checked out Dave's link. The two tweets about Friendfeed are unbelievable - Jamie

how would those microblogs be connected, if not via a few silos? - Michael Bailey

there are at least 3 implementations right now of the http://openmicroblogging.org specification for site-to-site microblogging. 1: Laconica 2: OpenMicroBlogger 3: A wordpress plugin called nsw or something. And the Jaiku team has been actively improving the specification. - Brian Hendrickson

the protocol is just OAuth with a couple of fields added, and it's push-based so there is no polling - Brian Hendrickson

oh, sounds like a modified pingback structure - Michael Bailey

it lets people [Follow] you in realtime using a simple push. if you were microblogging at microblog.michaelbailey.com and you had 7,000 people at identi.ca following you, your message would be POSTed one time to that server. if 4,000 people at Leo's army.twit.tv were following you, your server would do a 2nd POST to deliver the notice/status to that community. - Brian Hendrickson

also, thinking outloud, and a few steps ahead, there'll eventually need to be a "registration" list maintained someplace to facilitate the discovery of what sites I could push to, which is a silo - Michael Bailey

all instances of OpenMicroBlogger ping a central search server with the URL of each status, and the search feature uses that central server, so that will facilitate discovery, but yes the other thing a "registration" list would do is make the [Follow] process more streamlined, right now you have to copy/paste a URL to follow someone on a site where you have not registered. - Brian Hendrickson

well, lessons learned from RSS were that people were quick no navigate to the early content aggregators, rather than wondering around looking for individual sites, so the issue of scaling the silo will remain - but, it does sound interesting and I'll look forward to watching it mature. - Michael Bailey

how many Twitterati would choose blogger.com over self-hosted wordpress? people are definitely interested in this, check out the download count of the #1 software package here http://open.srcphp.com/#top_co... - Brian Hendrickson

Brian: I think that analogy's distorted a bit. I'd say it's more a question of how many people would install their own email server. - Ken Sheppardson

off to a good start, but I don't think the first 25,000 will really count, and there's a ways to go for that. - Michael Bailey

And let me just say that I for one like how FriendFeed comment streams are flat, and the converation wanders all over the map to things that are completely unrelated to the entry, but they always tend to come back on track. It's an actual conversaion, not some explosion of nested comment conversation fragments. - Ken Sheppardson

agreed - what ken just said ;) - mike "glemak" dunn

Ken - well put. An acid trip that brings you back home. - phil baumann

Ken: openmicroblogger has friendfeed-style vertical comment threads, it also has comet-push for realtime for both notices and comments. - Brian Hendrickson

@Ken agreed - nested replies are only good in theory ;^) - Michael Bailey

Ken: email servers are private, microblogs are simply easier blogs. i've created 700 or so posts in my 1.5 years of microblogging - Brian Hendrickson

See, like that there. I don't know what the heck openmicroblogger has to do with anything, but I'll defend to the death your right to sidetrack the converation by talking about it ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

haha thanks - Brian Hendrickson

I would guess that it will find it's niche, but like opml it will remain too convoluted for the masses. - Michael Bailey

you can run openmicroblogger on a GoDaddy host, i've done it - Brian Hendrickson

in the early days of email - back when all data was passed using UUCP (i.e. before the internet) email servers were exactly "public" in so much as if you had the UUCP bang path you could send anyone a message - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I mean, heck, people still hit reply all and then say oooops - Michael Bailey

it's only until scaling issues hit that forced smtp to be created - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

LOL heck Mike, I still remember doing archie searches - Michael Bailey

evan's protocol will surely hit some scaling problems if it becomes popular. xmpp has all of that covered of course and is speedy as hell, but not so easy to host yourself. I installed erlang and checked out punjab and it's all very cool. - Brian Hendrickson

yes, microbologging over xmpp is in a lot of ways at the same stage as html over http was at when apache was created - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

mike and mike killing the conversation with talk of UUCP and Archie - doh! - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

*crickets* - Ken Sheppardson

Ken the reason i'm making noise over here is because people don't realize they can collect their followers and their content in their own database, and that they can "manage" their social network the way they manage their blog. - Brian Hendrickson

status.net and twitteronia will help move the conversation along i think - Brian Hendrickson

or maybe it's not that they don't realize it, it's that they don't care :-) - Brian Hendrickson

It may just be that the logic leap between "Twitter doesn't seem to be listening to me" and "Go get a server and build your own Twitter" is a little too much for most people. :-) - Ken Sheppardson

don't "build a twitter", just microblog from a service that is part of a network, or install a microblog on your own site. identi.ca makes the former trivial. openmicroblogger makes the latter trivial. - Brian Hendrickson

Karoli, I agree that they need to do lot more of this but Twitter does have people like @crystal doing community mgmt on Get Satisfaction. - Mike Doeff

As the developer of openmicroblogger, you might have a slightly different definition of "trivial" than the typical disenfranchised Twitter user, Brian. ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

oh I dunno - the reality of that is it is too disconnected - when all the the microfeeds are pulled in, and I go to leave a comment, I expect a pretty rapid response - but in actual use, the person pushing the data out isn't even "there". - Michael Bailey

I get responses days or sometimes weeks after leaving a comment, then I'm like "huh? oh yeah, I've moved on" - Michael Bailey

of course, were I an A-Lister, I'd be all for it, because as long as my "message" gets pushed out to all platforms, I don't really care about engaging in conversation - Michael Bailey

as search is developed on the http://openmicroblogging.org network of microblogs, you'll be able to see replies on other hosts more easily, and for the next version of the protocol there will be an attempt to allow @replies between sites but it will be tricky to keep the spammers out. - Brian Hendrickson

which will no doubt turn into a full-time job and degrade the service and then when you take steps to keep them out, you'll piss off your community - wait, are we talking about Twitter now? lol - Michael Bailey

Let's just create OOAPI, the open openAPI - Michael Bailey

well, it seems to have died in here, thanks for the great conversation (and I'll overlook the name calling and bashing...Robert) ;^) - Michael Bailey

the community already has a choice of several pieces of software. but yes thanks for the conversation Michael and Ken and Mike and Mike ;) happy microblogging - Brian Hendrickson

this thread officially has reached its quota of mikes - justsayn ;) - mike "glemak" dunn

The fact that this conversation is happening over at FriendFeed (and could never exist on Twitter) is pretty telling in itself. It's hard to get excited about Twitter. In fact, I see less and less value in the service as time goes by. I wonder if they can deliver in the near future. - Kevin Pruett

*mike threshold now officially surpassed* I'm 5 hours late to the party, but just planting a post-it note that says High density of information, Return here sometime. And I whole-heartily agree with Ken's single-level threads work best on ff. Were there a scattering of sub-branching comments, it would be akin to shuttling around one or two people in/out of a side rooms for a chat when a... more... - Micah Wittman

yes agreed, i love the single level threading of ff as well - mike "glemak" dunn

yay! my name is not mike! :) interesting post and long thread! ;) though I'm naturally biased about 'tree'-threading, I like to have the option to list or thread if I want. Oddly enough, I'm building something which isn't a million miles *between* twitter and friendfeed (on top of a phreadz platform). </plug> - back to the topic though, 2/47 isn't bad for a journo: even less of them follow the developers who have actually built interesting/useful/unexpected/valuable things on their platform. - kosso

speaking from experience eh kosso - i for one am glad to call you an honorary mike ;) - mike "glemak" dunn

I've only seen a tiny bit of video of the twitter founders - there's not much charisma and there's something else I can't put my finger on. Probably it's that "normal introverts" look arrogant under the "sudden darling" media spotlight. - Richard pancakhaus Walker

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hey look! groups now sorted on last activity. yay!

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WOOHOOO - mjc

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WooHoo 2. - Russellreno

FF team to the rescue! :) - Andre

niiice - Edward Zwart

Thanks a lot, FF Team :) - LANjackal

FriendFeed -- you guys all rock! Thanks, thanks, thanks! - Jorge Escobar

You beat me to it @metalerik -- I had the pic ready to upload! LOL - Jorge Escobar

cool, just noticed it - Kim Landwehr

Wow nice, thanks FF Team. - Alp

That is awesome, and needed, thanks FF programmers! - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

It's small but really works! Thanks alot, FriendFeed! - Ninh Nguyen

Thanks, FF! I really liked (or present tense, now!) this feature. - Andrew C

yayyyyy! - Carmen

Kol Tregaskes to Kol's feed, FriendFeed Talk, FriendFeed for Beginners, FriendFeed Feedback

A very nerdy list of character limits on FriendFeed:

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In comments you are able to type in 20,000 characters but if you paste into the box you can go up to 100,000. - Kol Tregaskes

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But this doesn't stop you from pasting even more into the comment box. I got up to 5 million characters before giving up, but of course going over 100,000 characters is pointless. Note, don't try and paste 5 million characters into the share box, it freezes FF for a looong period. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

If you want to keep the 'more' link away keep comments under 512 characters. - Kol Tregaskes

For group descriptions you can type 161 characters but you can paste (and display) 1,000 charcters.. So if you need more than 161, type it in a text editor then paste into the box. - Kol Tregaskes

For CC to Twitter, keep you title down to 121 characters (as the ff.im link and space take up 19 characters). - Kol Tregaskes

If you include a pic it goes down to 116 as the tweet includes the addition text, "[pic]". - Kol Tregaskes

So question, why can we display more than 20,000 characters in comments and 161 characters in group descriptions? I think the limit for group descriptions should be upped to 1,000 and for the comments to drop to the 20,000 limit - like we need that much anyway. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

*stands and applauds* Dear god man... - Johnny Worthington

Hehe, Johnny, like I say once a tester always a tester. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

nice work - to-much-time-kol ;) - mike "glemak" dunn

Kol, obsess much, LOL?!?!?!??! :D Seriously, that's some intense study, there. - Helen Sventitsky

Surely, this can't be correct: "For CC to Twitter, keep you title down to 121 characters (as the ff.im link and space take up 19 characters)." I don't think strictly administrivial link to origin of a tweet counts in the 140 char limit, at least it doesn't show in my own. Other than that - attaboy, with some reservations: pasting 5-mil string into the Share box - what are you, a FF-weirdo? ;-)) - ianf ⌘

You can paste up to 100,000? Nice find my good man! Unrelated, anybody know a decent ASCII art site? </feignsinnocence> Seriously though - wow! :) - Andy Bold

Andy, well Louis tested it and got 95k, so I tried a proper test and peaked at 100,000 chars. - Kol Tregaskes

Kol, awesome work. : ) - vijay

Kol for president of Friendfeed. - teh Dork Knight aka Kenny

Not nerdy enough. I'd think that the character limits would be in powers of 2. - John E. Bredehoft

Kol, this is an insta-like post for me! @Andy FF's current stylesheet uses a variable width font, so ASCII art will be abstract art at best :) - Micah Wittman

For the post's title, you can use 350 characters from the share box and the bookmarklet, though I've been able to paste over this and it displays 352 characters. - Kol Tregaskes

If you use a word of about 80 characters or more it goes leaks on the right and eventually overlaps the sidebar and beyond. - Kol Tregaskes

In the comments keep your URLs at 32 characters or less to avoid the dreaded ... [3 dots]. - Kol Tregaskes

As with everything in FF these numbers are subject to change at any moment ;-) - Brian Sullivan

In the title keep your URLs at 30 characters or less to also avoid the dreaded ... [3 dots]. Why should these be different? - Kol Tregaskes

I think that will do for today, let me know what I've missed? :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Ian, for example here: http://twitter.com/koltreg... and here: http://twitter.com/koltreg... - Kol Tregaskes

Kudos Kol!!! - Dobromir Hadzhiev

A few I've missed: 161 characters *only* for your bio. Nothing extra for pasting into the box. - Kol Tregaskes

Display name is 3-25 characters. So why are we allowed to type anything more than 25? - Kol Tregaskes

Great work Kol! - Robert Scoble

Same for usernames. When you try to save a username of more than 25 characters it tells you that it's "not available". Please can the text be limited to 25 characters? - Kol Tregaskes

Hah, thanks guys. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

I'm such a data-junky. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Oh dear. This is not only a great post. I just can't stop laughing. ROFL ROFL ROFL !! - Chris Loft

Hehe, Chris. Hey I was laughing when I was playing with 5 million characters, I nearly broke FF! ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Is this why FF has been slow these days? I see! - vijay

;-) - Kol Tregaskes

LOL - Roberto Bonini

very impressive - Ryan Dadey

:-) - Kol Tregaskes

Thank you Kol for brightening up my new-FF-stricken 2 days :D :)) ROFL indeed! - Isha (Marysia)

:-) - Kol Tregaskes

Hmmm, the first comment appears to break the 512 rule above. It looks like the first comment can be about 1,000 characters (though you sometimes get cut off with the 'more' link from 980 characters to well over a 1,000) but every comment thereafter is ruled by the 512 limit. The first comment still gets the character count from 512 though. This needs tidying up please. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

[Used to be] If you put too many characters into a comment, then you couldn't cut/copy from that comment (which forced me to retype comments). Not sure what happens now. I liked when Del.icio.us added longer comments. - Mitchell Tsai

Hey, Mitchell, how you doing? Yes agree. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Doing good Kol. Facebook has been taking up most of my on-line time, but I was in Las Vegas for a few weeks, and all my hotels were charging $10-15/night for internet, so I haven't been online much. Miss seeing all your pictures. I'll have to surf your Vi.sualize.us account when I'm back in Ohio (I'm in Boston now for a dance weekend). - Mitchell Tsai

Aww, I better get back to browsing for more photography then, hehe. Thanks, Mitchell. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Kol, have you been sleeping at all the last coupla days? :D - Isha (Marysia)

What is "sleep"? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

sleep - when all life choose to relax. There you go Kol ; ) edit: inference: Kol = machine. - vijay

:-) #betakoltag-bug - Kol Tregaskes

OK Kol, here's a challenge for your numbers testing... is there a maximum number of comments limit? Wasn't there a site where you could see stats like the post with the most comments and stuff like that? - Andy Kruger

Andy, I don't know of a limit but these are the most commented: http://friendfeed.com/search... and this is the most liked: http://friendfeed.com/search... - Kol Tregaskes

Ah... cool. Hmmm... speculation... I wonder if we'll see different sorting options in search results some day? Like sort by number of comments or sort by number of likes? Would proably have to e combined with some sort of maximum result counter, I don't know what "likes:1" on all feeds would result in. - Andy Kruger

Andy sorting options would be most welcome, yes, more options on the advanced search would be great. - Kol Tregaskes

Referenced: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009... - Uche Ogbuji

It's possible to create a display name up to 35 characters: http://friendfeed.com/0123456... however an error shows when trying to edit it afterwards :p - Mike Chelen

Loic Le Meur

Flickr is in troubles too according to @om maybe I should start backing up my years of photos http://gigaom.com/2009...

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Interesting. Backing up photos sounds like a good idea either way. What is the best way to back up Flickr photos? - Adam

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There's an interesting paid service idea, archive repository. Just API in and grab the photos etc? - David Eedle

don't tell me you don't already have a backup of your photos :-) the real problem is the social value of flickr. that's is inestimable - Lawrence Oluyede

i thought people UPLOADED photos to Flickr, meaning that the originals are on some other computer. that's been my M.O. backup what? my local HDD? already done. - .LAG liked that

But how about people like Robert Scoble who uses Flickr as the repository for his blog's photos? It sounds like a lot of work to go in and relink all the images to a different location. - Edmund Tay

Hmm. I have almost 4000 photos on Flickr and many more on local storage. Where to next? - Victor Panlilio

Use picasa to sync ALL your library online. I just dragged my albums into folders and BLAMO everything is backed up AND synced online :) - Jaime

I use Flickr as my backup... :-( - Benoit Cazenave

@Edmund: that's his fault entirely. It seems kinda dumb to me anyway - Lawrence Oluyede

i keep all photos on flickr. yikes. - drew olanoff

Lawrence: There are pros and cons to hosting your images on Flickr and linking to it. Pros would be "unlimited" storage and bandwidth and being able to link to that same image from multiple locations. Cons is of course being reliant on the existence of Flickr and also those funky filenames that get generated when you upload to Flickr. That makes migrating image links pretty difficult since your original image filename won't match with that on Fllickr. - Edmund Tay

...interesting. it never occurred to me that some folks would look at Flickr as permanent storage solution. I've always just seen is as an efficient way to share a selection of my photos with people i know, through time and space. - .LAG liked that

Flickr Backup for mac? http://sourceforge.net/project... - drew olanoff

Interesting info, guess I'll have to find some other place for my externalized backups... - Benoit Cazenave

I was just looking for the best way to sync my iPhoto lib and a service like Flickr or Smugmug. Not bad to have a service like Flickr to backup 20GB of images for less that 25$/year - Frédéric Sidler

May be Yahoo will sell Flickr as eBay is wanting to do with Skype. May be SmugMug can purchase Flickr from Yahoo and make it the free/social version of SmugMug? - Vinko

Ok, Flickr are laying off people but there isn't anything to substantiate that they are in trouble - David McDonald

Meh, time to look for a tool to migrate nearly 200 photos from Flickr? - Tyson Key

Yah, but what do you do when you have 20,953 photos on flickr? And all those comments and tags? The thing you want to save is all that social networking, organizing and tagging, you already have a high-res copy somewhere on your hard drive at home... - Paula W

Hmm, but what if you don't, out of interest? For what it's worth, I've used Flickr (and Picasa) as a "final destination" for images after I've taken them, and tend to delete or otherwise archive image files after I've uploaded them. I'm sure there are a few others who do that, too. - Tyson Key

I used to be able to BackUp my Flickr Crap using Website Downloader which was Super cuz it also Backed Up all my Flickr Comments + those from Flickr Friendz - I gotta look into it again cuz they have some Restrictions on me + I don't like it 1 damn bit!! ;)) - Billy Warhol

Jeremy Britten

Hate 2 post abt #swineflu but its blown out of proportion by media. School closings?. Whats diferent w/this & regular flu? ppl die from it 2

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I hate to post about it too, and I agree: media / usual suspects love the hype. However, there are real differences: #swineflu a) is a particularly unusual strain that no one have been vaccinated against - over simplified, it's actually an avian flu that was carried in pigs, and has mutated to spread through human b) appears to be a strain that triggers a particularly strong immune... more... - tollie williams

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