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Fwd: Ever since RSS got started, the tech industry has been trying to kill it. It's the people's tech, of course they don't like it. (via http://friendfeed.com/davew...)
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- Steve Gillmor
The tech industry tries to kill all technologies. Nothing wants to be replaced.
- Cliff Gerrish
I can see his point. Don't think he was talking about you Steve. Sounded like he was venting aginst people like Murdoch who want to charge people for content every which way they can. But disabling the comments is uncool.
- Roberto Bonini
nothing is replaced, it's built on top of it. Eventually it becomes oil
- Steve Gillmor
My response here: http://friendfeed.com/rbonini...
- Roberto Bonini
Nothing wants to become a dinosaur, and then oil...
- Cliff Gerrish
Nice analogy steve. IPV6 is an example in point. we are still using the same basic tech the web was born with. Http is another good example. We use http in ways the original spec never anticiplated.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, I can see his point too and have been supportive for years. But he is talking about me when he maligns TechCrunch and equates us with being in the bag for major players.
- Steve Gillmor
It's a little bit dramatic. RSS isn't dead it's just gone into the woodwork...
- Tom Foremski
Tom, here's the scoop: http://www.scripting.com/stories...
- Dave Winer
Roberto, we use the whole stack -- RSS, XML, text, bytes, bits, circuits.
- Dave Winer
Tom it is the woodwork.
- Steve Gillmor
from iPhone
I really find it fascinating how few people really understand how fundamental RSS is to the web we all rely on.
- Tom Guarriello
Steve I hope you write more about that.
- Dave Winer
Looks like this guy thinks you said RSS is "dead" http://www.techmeme.com/090903...
- Dave Winer
His point is not supported by facts..innovation in RSS has stooped an has become what everybody wanted a 'dumb pipe' not that its dumb but that its something that we can depend on to be there without thinking about it
- Fred Grott
What angels want: Rob Hayes, Jeff Clavier and Aydin Senkut are looking for cloud and personalized medicine startups. - http://vator.tv/news...
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Ever since RSS got started, the tech industry has been trying to kill it. It's the people's tech, of course they don't like it.
Matt Snoulten, Kirsten Mitchell, Werner Trotter and 23 other people liked this
Good point. Never thought about it that way.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
that's bullshit, Dave. I have supported RSS and you from the beginning.
- Steve Gillmor
You're having an Emily Litella moment Steve. I wasn't talking about you.
- Dave Winer
who then
- Steve Gillmor
I think the wikipedia article on RSS sums up what Dave's trying to say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I have been one of Dave's principal allies since those early days. He calls TechCrunch names, he's calling me names.
- Steve Gillmor
like I said Dave, when you say something, stick with it or look like you're faking it
- Steve Gillmor
I don't want to fight with you Steve. I don't want to fight with anyone -- I just want to write code and work with other developers and users.
- Dave Winer
Social Media Tip: Have you noticed Twitter's search archive doesn't go back far in time? Use Friendfeed.com instead.
Nicholas James, Ruchira S. Datta, jcunwired and 49 other people liked this
It comes in handy to for accounts that are not indexed publicly due to a Twitter bug (like mine)
- Walt Ruppar
from iPhone
Great tip, Jeremy. Thanks!
- Eric Schwartzman
Yes, which is why I said it was "very, very broken".
- Louis Gray
Yeah, FF is my default search engine for all previous social media activity across all accounts
- Mike Bracco
I've started using it with blog posts to show in real time the buzz around a specific post.
- Jesse Stay
I've taken to using FF to archive all my social media doings – it's great when I can remember reading/watching something but can't remember where it was. Best part? It doesn't matter if I digg, delicious, tumblr, whatever – it's always on friendfeed.
- Joey Baker
that's a great find, Jeremiah, thanks!
- tony felice
FriendFeed, again superior in many ways :-)
- Alex Vermeule (@alexve)
FF rocks!
- volkan ekiz
@BeerConnoisseur I've been enjoying the Sam Adams Summer Ale, but no beer for me tonight, I'm having a pint of Guinness
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Mmmh... beer. It's only 3.38pm here but...
- Tom Foremski
"I predict a return to blogging as people discover the power of being able to finish a thought" http://www.scripting.com/stories...
Annarella G., david beckwith, Tac Anderson and 154 other people liked this
I had thought blogging has been growing steadily, globally. Admittedly I don't have a good chart/stats for it.
- Mark Essel
I really like this statement - but will people return to blogging as we've known it?
- Tony
Are you perhaps over estimating the allure of thinking?
- Todd Hoff
Micro-blogging is good for idealets and infotainment, but it really is turning the web into a mindless medium like TV. Of course, there will always be the equivalent of PBS trying valiantly to raise the bar somewhat. Blogs will always have the possibility of transmitting real knowledge.
- Paul W. Homer
The interesting thing for me is I think we have lost the definition of what a blog is. Everybody jumped up and down about what Steve Rubel did, but really I see his change as a shift of platform. If he posted that same content on wordpress, nobody would have said a word. Just because he did it on posterous and called it a lifestream, people took issue with it. So, what is our definition then?
- Robert
I think Steve still has a weblog, he's just submitting posts to it in a "different" way. Like Dave's link says a weblog is "... a hierarchy of text, images, media objects and data, arranged chronologically, that can be viewed in an HTML browser." Pretty much sums it up, I think. Steve's post is going to generate attention, and debate, but in the end it's a weblog.
- Rob Fahrni
Robert, I know you're asking Dave a question, but I don't think the Posterious way goes against the definition. If I'm not mistaken Radio could post via e-mail, and I know Blogger supports this feature. Maybe I need to dig into Posterious a bit more but isn't that what it does?
- Rob Fahrni
Rob - That is my point. This in my mind is one of the major problems with looking for a "new name" for these social products. We see it as something different because it is called something different. Posterous, from what I can see so far, allows for the writer to interact with their "weblog" in a different way, just as you said...
- Robert
from email
Huh?
- Dave Winer
Dave - I think your "huh?" was towards me... We call Posterous a "life stream", I say it is a blog, that we have given a different name to. That is what I am saying.Rob - I agree with you 100%, and that is my point exactly. I keep reading these post about blogging being dead, or blogging being alive... but those that say they are not "blogging" are still "blogging" Maybe I am not making sense, but I hope I am...
- Robert
from email
Robert - Precisely! I think Posterious is trying to find a why to differentiate their product, so they've coined a new phrase. It's still a weblog, how the data arrives may be different, but it's just a weblog all the same. When I read Steve's story last night, from his new site, I thought I was going to find a link on it to something "new and innovative", then I realized I was AT the actualy site, his "life stream."
- Rob Fahrni
Robert - Right on!
- Rob Fahrni
Blogology is a still too young science, and definitio usually comes when plays are over. What I feel sad for is the lack of opportunity future literature and social behaviour experts will suffer not using post's content ( and graphics ) as sources for studying today's world zeitgeist. Borges prophecy is at work, few understands - too many doesn't even know what they're writing about: a...
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- valerio fiandra
from iPhone
Robert, the photo sharing site you've used recently is structurally a blog too. It differs from normal blog software mainly in that the chronology is by date of occurrence, not date of posting.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
It's funny that this sentence and a few lines from Anthony Trollope's autobiography should have crossed paths in my consciousness on the same day, since it's almost the same idea, thrown back two temporal orders of magnitude. Trollope tells of a correspondent, a vicar, who had enjoyed his clerical novels but was upset by Lady Glencors'a contemplation of adultery in the Pallisers series....
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- Amyloo
This is silly. Blogging isn't defined by the tool, it's defined by who's doing it. Read the piece I pointed to. I don't mean click on the link and hit the Back buttton, click the link and READ.
- Dave Winer
Agreed, Dave. Heck, we blogged back in the day via FTP uploads; that's what moved you towards developing "Edit This Page", in fact (IIRC).
- Ken Kennedy
This subject keeps coming back - blogging will never die.
- Jesse Stay
Before Web 1.0 we listened, conversed, collaborated and then we wrote. Writing was the synthesis of all the thinking that occurred in the first steps. In the new medium, the thinking process is the streams, both personal and community. Blogging is the synthesis of this new kind of community thought process.
- Joolio
Dave - haha! - that is awesome :D
- Susan Beebe
Pity there's no "Really, Really Like" button.
- Chris Baskind
Of course bloggin won't die, but you better have compelling content, because people have little tolerance for long articles.
- Todd Dewell
I think a large percentage of bloggers were really microbloggers, they just didn't have the correct apps to do that. The people that actually have something to say will keep blogging and those that just like to say something small or share something interesting will continue microblogging, or lifestreaming, or whatever variant you want to name it. Blogging is akin to publishing articles...
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- xero
This was known since the times of IRC: you can only have idle chatter or quick focused questions at that speed.
- Michele Costabile
Michele, if that premise is true, then kids only absorb important life-long lessons from their parent(s) when they're sat down for a full length lecture. No? :)
- Micah Wittman
The best food for thought always come in easily digestible chunks, however, sometimes you need to digest some larger/harder stuff to give you the ability to digest that chunk.
- xero
Agreed, well said, Xero.
- Micah Wittman
I thought completing a thought was the beauty of FriendFeed.
- Alan Eggleston
Microblogging is very much a product of the times, very ADD, very video-game-ish; so I agree strongly with the idea of longer.
- Rick Cogley
Just FYI, when I started Scripting News in 1997, it was entirely "microblogging" -- look in the archive. http://www.scripting.com/1997...
- Dave Winer
Dave - I very much appreciate you keeping up this fight. When I heard this past weekend the term "Lifestreaming", and seeing it picking up momentum. No, this has to stop. Twittering is an aside to your thoughts, or a highlight to pull people to your thoughts, if it's you only thoughts, you need put your head below the surface of your lifestream while carrying a big pile of rocks and...
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- Matthew DeVries
LOL, unfortunately, I don't think this problem exists just for blogging :)
- Armando & Cindee Edrosa
from iPhone
This isn't a fight. I love all this stuff. I was just saying what I think.
- Dave Winer
Even calling it a "Lifestream"? That's the creepiest sounding thing in tech, since Steve Balmer was threatening to "Squirt" his music onto my Zune.
- Matthew DeVries
Who really quit blogging? Even the most active lifestream addicts never really quit. For me, the blog is and has always been home. Everything else is somewhat ancillary, even when it's the first place I go. Critical thinking sometimes requires the depth of a written post.
- Ken Camp
Question: Of those of you out there who use posterous, do you use it as a replacement of your blog, a mirror of your blog or something different?
- Curt Mercadante
Ken - Rubel quit blogging.
- Matthew DeVries
One of the things I like about blogging is the ability to not finish a thought, not to try so hard to say all I have to say or say come to any definite conclusion in a single post. The unfinished thought is what encourages conversation. Let someone else add to your thought. Let others challenge your incomplete premise. I don't know everything, why pretend I do? My thoughts are never finished.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Wow, you're right Dave, scripting news was indeed VERY much a microblog. Interesting & thanks for pointing that out!
- Rick Cogley
Just last night, my sister sent out a vague tweet that made no sense to me out of context: http://twitter.com/awarnoc... So I suggested she blog about the topic so that readers like me would understand the context. http://twitter.com/awarnoc... http://zelzega.blogspot.com/2009...
- Peter Warnock
Just because you can finish a thought, doesn't mean people will read it.
- Will Higgins™
Tell me about it. That happened earlier in this very thread. But at least you ca read it yourself.
- Dave Winer
Just as your diary became your journal and then your log, your log has become your stream. The web has become your life..... AND SO IT WAS, that in the year naught-nine, the web-log was renamed to life-stream, dissected, and it's pieces scattered about the hundreds of "cloud" services, from which it could fall as raindrops of thought, pinging here and there in an attempt to spread ideas to where they were needed the most.
- Joel Bennett
No time to read it. Can you give us the gist of it in 140 characters or less? Thanks.
- Diego Barros
Here's a picture, even easier than 140 chars. http://tr.im/qrBb
- Dave Winer
Haha, love it!
- Rick Cogley
Love the idea!
- Sampad Swain
Come on, Dave. Where's your sense of humor?
- Diego Barros
Where's yours?
- Dave Winer
If you were joking, that's cool. I can take it. :) (I was joking, honest)
- Diego Barros
Me too. :-)
- Dave Winer
Blogging is still the platform of choice for sharing a clear/uninterrupted flow of thoughts from a single perspective. Then comments rapidly add value to the original post's material (most of the time). We're witnessing the link power of blogging decline because that functionality (which is monetizable) is moving to social media. We are left with the question, how best should bloggers monetize if they're losing link passing strength? I'm working that issue now by frankensteining several parts together
- Mark Essel
Personalized/Customized ads based on public user status. Semantic tools (via API), memory (local user profile database), and the passing of information to an ad aggregator will help produce custom (dynamic web matched) advertisements. It should serve all parties involved (social media, bloggers/front ends, semantic processing houses, and advertising aggregators).
- Mark Essel
What do you mean, I have always been able to finish a ... ooh a nice shiny object...
- Marcel de Jong
Isn't it ironic that this post contained a clear and concise thesis, in under 140 characters?
- Mike Chelen
Good point Mike...
- Mark Harai
There's NOTHING wrong with brevity. There is a time and a place for discussion and lengthy discourse.
- Will Higgins™
Mike Chelen - "a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning ... the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning." - Nope, not ironic
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew DeVries: that covers definitions 1 and 2, yet the 3rd is an "incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result," where in this case the expected result was to explain how new platforms prevent thoughts from being finished, and the actual result was to the contrary :D
- Mike Chelen
If you say so. I never saw that definition, but I have no reason to doubt you, or motivation to find the source myself, so, I'll allow it.
- Matthew DeVries
aren't we all copying from the same online dictionary? http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction...
- Mike Chelen
No, I rattled mine out of something I memorized years ago.
- Matthew DeVries
wow, you got it perfectly word-for-word, remind me to pick you for my crossword puzzle team :)
- Mike Chelen
You can talk here and get no notice or you can talk on your blog (which is harder) and get no notice. At least here you can talk to other people that also get no notice. Your blog is an island.
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ain't that the truth. Sorry, I should keep my mouth shut, lest I contradict your point :)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Naw, you'll never hear me complain about the amount of interactions I get here. Tons more than I ever got on my blog.
- Alex Scoble
It's a bit like talking to yourself, except sometimes someone answers you here
- Janice
Alex, do you plan on doing the FF comments <-> blog comments bridge like Louis Gray (and others)??
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Not unless Typepad builds a widget to do that...and even then probably not.
- Alex Scoble
My Blog is a penninsula :P
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
My blog is an atoll.
- cecily
Mine is submerged.
- Steve Lowe
But it's an island I control and am responsible for, and can move as necessary...
- Andrew C
Not atoll, Cecily! Is that a disagreement or exclamation of sympathy? spelling or punct wins?
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
You can talk here and get no notice, there's an app for that.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
My blog sank like the Titanic since last year.
- imabonehead
I'd rather be alone here than alone on my blogisland. Which is why I haven't posted there in many months now.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
My blog is my island. And you are all invited.
- Louis Gray
Thank you Louis, at least your blog isn't a deserted island.
- Jimminy Fuller
Well said alex, well said. I love desert islands :-)
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Is your island tethered to a solid point in 4 dimensional space? Cuz I have heard some stories about some weird shit going down on islands.
- Geoff Schultz
I love dessert islands...I can get cheesecake, maple old fashioned doughnuts and blueberry pie all day.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
My blog is a orbital battle fortress thankyou very much
- Mo Kargas
The Care Bears do not like your orbital battle fortress very much, Mo.
- Alex Scoble
Thing is, I'm ultraverbose, and I really hate "more" link. Hence, the blog.
- Victor Ganata
I need Gummi Bears on my dessert island. Care Bears> Gummi Bears, but would taste bad.
- Jimminy Fuller
Gummi bears good...Care Bears annoying...particularly if you are Mo and live on an orbital battle fortress.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I think Mo needs to capture Sunshine Bear and use him to power the solar cells on his orbital battle fortress, then.
- Jimminy Fuller
my blog is my world and I am the Supreme Ruler.
- Kim Landwehr
*sagenod*
- Mo Kargas
Truly, I am with Victor. I have many too many words to say for a FriendFeed post a lot of the time. And way too much for Twitter or Facebook. So I walk down the penninsula, post them, and then the headlines come in here from everywhere.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Good question.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I've been paying that $5 a month so long that I just forget about it. Haven't seen a need to move. And wouldn't know where to move anyhow.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
When I was starting a new blog in 2004, my brother suggested it...so there I am.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I didn't notice...
- Far
Alex did you read this?
- Randy Allen Bishop
Did I read what? If you are asking about the title, no, I wrote that.
- Alex Scoble
You are reading the comments
- Randy Allen Bishop
Yes...most definitely
- Alex Scoble
from IM
My Blog is like a girlfriend that won't talk to me :)
- Owen Greaves
That is why I have no blog.
- Joel Robert Perez
how are you using im?
- Randy Allen Bishop
Heck - I do both. That way I can get no people to talk to me in as many places as possible!
- Curt Mercadante
Why do some people email their comment or question rather than comment on a blog? Every other post I get 8-12 people doing this and it drives me nuts... It's like having all these convos behind closed walls all the time. Getting scientists and biotech out in the open is worse than herding cats!
- Sally Church
Sally, I get that at work too. It is herding cats, the old skool kind.
- imabonehead
On "why typepad" - all the kids are moving to Squarespace now.. it lets you import and export too.. it's more than 5 but not a lot more dep. on your level... and a hell of a lot more capable IMO. They will give you an outrageously detailed view of exactly how isolated your blog really is :) - Not affiliated , not an ad !
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
For me, blog writing is more about longer thoughts or deeper dives, almost like an essay.
- anna sauce
Zips up a Pina Colada and hangs out at both FF and my blog ...waits for message in a bottle :)
- Susan Beebe
You can bring people back to talk to you here or in your blog. It takes some time but it really isn't that hard to do. I can teach anyone or you could read some of the posts I've written about how to do it starting with this one: http://www.growmap.com/comment...
- Internet Strategist
I wonder if they could make these long conversations threaded? That would be much better. We're working on a project migrating a blog from Typepad to WP for good reason. WordPress . One thing to remember is if you invest your time and talent in someone else's site instead of your own they can always pull the rug out from under you.
- Internet Strategist
My blog is an archipelago which is itself a part of a larger archipelago, which is in turn connected by a bridge to the mainland ;-)
- Bora Zivkovic
Yeah, but I'm not doing this for the money
- Alex Scoble
from IM
What does doing it for money have to do with getting people to talk to you here or in your blog? Monetized or hobbiest - concepts are still the same.
- Internet Strategist
I personally don't want to be noticed. I like being on the DL.
- Santa CW™
Hmm, sure that they weren't supposed to name it NullFeed? ;)
- Tyson Key
Or you can comment on someone's feed that gets noticed. That way you get your 15 minutes of (Warhol) fame :D
- Nick B.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who gets more interaction here. I wonder if it is the perception that is the issue... Blogs tend to resemble more "newsie" or op-ed sites so perhaps there is a perception that consumption without reciprocity is expected... or perhaps GReader has gotten us all lazy and efficient ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Im new but this seems very cool!
- Cheryl Cardwell
My blog is an island, my island and that why i love it. Its for me. blogs were started as journals and in some cases private journals and thats the way i still use mine as a journal, not completely private but very much for me. i put a few worthless ads on it to use as motivation to continue to write when i need it but its my diary.
- Cody Heitschmidt
Welcome to FriendFeed, Cheryl!
- Tyson Key
So.. do both! Don't let your blog to be a closed island: talk on FriendFeed!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
SUPER like. Missed this one.
- Kamilah Gill
Blogs Aren’t Dead, They’re Just Fragmenting - http://www.newcommbiz.com/blogs-a...
Tom Foremski, metalerik, Vijay and 2 other people liked this
i can't believe apple's getting press coverage today for "copy and paste." i mean really...
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Still no search(!)
- Tom Foremski
Time Magazine Talks About the Legalization Issue - http://www.time.com/time...
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"Could marijuana be the answer to the economic misery facing California? Democratic State Assembly member Tom Ammiano thinks so. Ammiano introduced legislation last month that would legalize pot and allow the state to regulate and tax its sale — a move that could mean billions for the cash-strapped state. Pot is, after all, California's biggest cash crop, responsible for $14 billion in annual sales, dwarfing the state's second largest agricultural commodity — milk and cream — which brings in $7.3 billion annually, according to the most recent USDA statistics. The state's tax collectors estimate the bill would bring in about $1.3 billion in much-needed revenue a year, offsetting some of the billions in service cuts and spending reductions outlined in the recently approved state budget."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Legalizing for the sake of money would be wrong, in my opinion.
- ChiliMac
I support legalization, but I always wonder about the people who would no longer be making the kind of money they were used to when pot was black market. People really don't enjoy downsizing their lifestyles, so I wonder what they would turn to to maintain the income level to which they were accustomed.
- Dave Roth
Good question DaveRoth, I was wondering about the alternatives there. It'll probably stick to other types of drugs and selling weed in the black market would become somewhat of an 'obsolete' concept after some years.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
It is interesting to see this debate getting such broader mainstream attention these days with even publications like Time picking up on the story. I wonder if the time is in fact ripe for legalization to take place.
- Thomas Hawk
I don't believe that any time is ripe for that. Sure, it _might_ help California's economy in the short run, but the long-term effects would probably not be good. Drugs like marijuana are generally speaking banned for a reason; they're mind-alterations. They exist for the sole purpose of messing someone up and knocking them out, as well as ruining lives. Legalization would be the same as if the state were to sponsor it, and the net result would probably be a lot more dead weights on the system.
- i80and
i80and, how is that any different than alcohol? do you think alcohol should be illegal as well?
- Thomas Hawk
Yes, I do believe that alcohol should be illegal, or at the very minimum extremely rigidly controlled because I _don't_ see a distinction between it and narcotics beyond its being a bit less addictive. There is no rational reason for its existence beyond attempting to escape reality, and that is both unethical and drains society. Sadly, with the current culture, this would be impossible and probably counter-productive as an extensive black-market would erupt.
- i80and
Narcotics haven't advanced to anywhere near that stage yet; let's not even give them the chance.
- i80and
It definitely would have helped my friend's mom when she was dying of cancer. He tried to think of ways for her to use it but decided against it since the family thought it was so taboo.
- Rodfather
Chris, I don't have statistics on overdosing; alcohol is a lot more common, though, so such a stat would be skewed. They repealed prohibition because virtually was making illegal alcohol because it was already integrated into the culture. And kids would get it just as easily if it were legalized; don't minors already have easy and ready access to alcohol in many cases?
- i80and
That's true; there is a certain reallocation of resources that are problematic. But just cutting back on enforcement is better than complete legalization if worst comes to worst; should we legalize letting people get onto trains without paying or shoplifting just because they suck away officers of the law? Of course not. Likewise, we need to make the best of the situation that we can while still maintaining the moral upper hand.
- i80and
All right, I'll accept that it's easier to OD on alcohol than marijuana for the sake of argument. However, marijuana at least AFAIK is more addictive and thus at least as prone to ruin people's lives and cause no end of problems. Plus, why should we legalize yet another harmful vice? Don't people have enough at their fingertips as it is?
- i80and
It's almost impossible to overdose on marijuana. You'd have to eat pounds and pounds of the stuff for that to happen.
- Rodfather
I saw all the buds in the picture and I had to hit like... rodfather agree.. I have never heard of anyone ODIng on Marijuana
- Bindu Reddy
I believe that alcohol is more addictive than marijuana. Both can be psychologically addictive but the physical and chemical addiction that comes from alcohol is more documented than a physical addiction that can develop from pot. Studies that I've seen also show that people operate motor skills more accurately while stoned than while drunk.
- Thomas Hawk
Marijuana isn't physically addictive. Where do you pull your info from?
- Rodfather
Sorry Chris, that's rubbish. I used to feel the same way as you, but it now appears that marijuana is responsible for precipitating schizophrenia in thousands of people. It used to be condemned as a gateway drug: we now know that it is dangerous enough in itself. Legalization may still be the best policy to control its quality and use, but let's not fool ourselves that it is relatively benign. It is effectively a brain poison.
- Tim Ostler
true rod... only mentally addictive ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Tim where do you get your info?
- anna sauce
i08and I disagree with your statement "more addictive" than cigarettes or alcohol. Have you ever had it? The only dangerous thing about marijuana is that it's illegal.
- anna sauce
Rodfather, from the most authoritative source on the internet of course, Yahoo Answers: http://answers.yahoo.com/questio...
- Thomas Hawk
Man, there is an amazing amount of scary moralizing propaganda on this thread. Sorry, guys, but the vast majority of scientific consensus is that marijuana is no more toxic than any other smoke, does not cause lasting mental or physical health defects, is not physically addictive, and cannot be overdosed on (you will fall asleep first, or if smoking it pass out from asphyxiation, stop smoking it, then be fine). http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijua... Look, real papers, with real citation.
- Neal Jansons
Thomas, I was responding to i80and. There was nothing wrong with your statement
- Rodfather
i read an article that CA marijuana growers have been pushing the point of taxing pot to pay for everything for a couple of years now. Its the market that would surely help our decling economy :(
- chaz2b
As for all the moralizing "but it's a vice" bull...I don't have a concept of "vice and virtue" in my view of the world. Such things are religious thinking and have no legitimacy in law (except in theocracies; perhaps you all would like a "police of vice and virtue" here in the US?). I instead have "more harmful than bearable for self or others" rule for my indulgences. Thus heroin is too harmful for the payoff of an enjoyable mental state, but marijuana or alcohol (or movies or books) is not.
- Neal Jansons
The DEA will surely move into any state that's leagslizes any Fed regulated drug.
- Robert Hafer
Here's one link:<http://bipolar.about.com/od...> It's nothing personal Chris - I have the highest regard for your comments - it's just that the debate in the US seems to be at a very different place from here in the UK. We downgraded it a couple of years ago before the latest research came out about its effects. And Neal, there's no moralizing on my part. I was uncomfortably aware of these effects from my own experience many years ago.
- Tim Ostler
Thanks Neal! Nice citation. "Marijuana does not cause physical dependence. " - from US Health & Human Svcs, Drug & Alcohol Dependence, Journal of Psychology, et.al.
- anna sauce
Here are the myth busters. http://www.canorml.org/healthf...
- Rodfather
Fair enough Chris, as with heroin, more imaginative policies may be needed to manage its use than knee-jerk moralistic reactions. I'm all in favour of whatever proves to be most effective form of control. In the meantime here is a ton of other links for those who want to go into the research in more detail. <http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevent...>
- Tim Ostler
OMG americans are so behind, northwards this has been done & done
- sofarsoShawn
LOL you mean yours? Ours hasn't plummeted nearly so much...yet.
- sofarsoShawn
Doesn't this seem like such a no brainer?
- Nicholas Kreidberg
wasn't there a 2008 study that showed any mental effects such as paranoia and schitzo deminished to the original level of the user after ceasing to use the drug? Humanity has been using all drugs since our species first ever encountered them. I'd much rather legalise them, tax them and use the money to pay for help for those who develop problems with them instead of criminalising them and sending them to the worst possible place for them (prison). Imagine how much space would be freed up in prisons!
- alphaxion
The main reason pot was made illegal in the first place was to provide an easy excuse to arrest Mexicans in border towns around the turn of the 20th century. "It's illegal for a reason"? Yeah, because Anslinger started a propaganda campaign to scare all the states into prohibiting it, mostly through bald-faced lies about its effects.
- Joel Webber
Also to create the cotton industry..therefore making the legislatures rich.. GREED at the end of the day.. and forcing other countries to accept their law.. another reason to refuse yank law....
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Dave - Very good question indeed. On the one hand we should recall what happened to bootleggers after the Prohibition was repealed. So, other illegal substances, gambling, prostitution, extortion. On the other hand Prohibition repeal was a Federal level event and legalizing marijuana on a state level will possibly drive some of the dealers elsewhere.
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
In reading back in this thread, I am amazed, i80, that you want to bring prohibition back! That was a colossal failure. Making things illegal does not prevent them from happening. Also- funny what you compare it to, "not taking a train without a ticket,"- that's actually a trend in urban transit systems. Not to check every person for a ticket, but random check and fine. So your vision of a state where foodstuffs that affect your mind (how soon until chocolate is included, I wonder) are rigidly policed is a
- anna sauce
... little unrealistic, and not the most efficient way we can organize things. Also- wine is a part of our culture, and check other countries that have battled with it- Russia, Sweden... Sweden now has "binge holidays" where people go to Finland to drink for an entire weekend. More healthy? Perhaps not.
- anna sauce
State revenues would be derived from a $50-per-oz. levy on retail sales of marijuana and sales taxes.???
- Greg Guitarbuster
Ah Anna, I'm glad you mentioned chocolate :-) There's been a doctor in the UK recently arguing it should be taxed exorbitantly like alcohol to reflect its role in the obesity epidemic...
- Tim Ostler
tax solves nothing....
- Rob Sellen :o)
WANT! Phelps keeps bogarting the J
- sofarsoShawn
Time to start a new thread Lindsey <http://friendfeed.com/e...>
- Tim Ostler
Tim, I have to say, if we're luxury taxing, we tax here in SF potato chips & snacks, I woudn't mind paying more for chocolate if it went to schools- like girl scout cookies, we pay for our vices (sooner or later...)
- anna sauce
What happened to the bootleggers when alcohol was decriminalized? They put their offspring in the US Senate and the White House. (I'm talking about the Kennedy family here. The crack dealers of their day.)
- Dave Roth
Ding ding ding! And Joel gets the prize. The laws about marijuana are based on racial and prejudicial bigotry and meant to keep a certain people down. The science behind its addictiveness and other harmful effects is inconclusive. The science basically says it makes you sleepy, hungry and/or feel less pain. All of which there are viable medical needs.
- Pete Delucchi
I'm all for legalizing pot (and prostitution and suicide or that matter). I just want for people to sign a waiver foregoing any public health care before getting their marijuana ID cards so I don't have to pay for them latter. (that would be a good idea for alcohol too)
- Robert Hafer
@robert that is a very dangerous precident to set.. you could extend that to every substance you consume for daily nourishment. If they're paying tax on it, they're helping to better fund healthcare and therefore should never be excluded from its services.
- alphaxion
@Robert: I agree on that. If people don't want to be moralized, they need to take full responsibility for whatever they do for themselves. Let the natural selection do its job.
- Jemm
I refuse to get involved in this until certain facts are brought to light....so let me bring them. The 2 biggest reasons it was made illegal in the first place are as follows: 1. William Randolph Hearst was afraid the growing hemp industry would detract from his paper empire (hemp makes better paper faster than trees do, (fact! google it.) 2. The first recorded places to make it illegal were in the southwestern United States wherethere were large numbers of Mexican immigrants coming across the border to
- Christian (Simply X)
(continued from above) find work because Mexico was facing a similar economic crisis. It was a method of getting them back across the border without having to say "No Brown People Allowed" and give jobs back to the natives. So, if you like the idea of government propping up big business and out-dated racist laws...Keep it illegal. It was actually legal in the US until the 1930s and widely used. There were even hash-bars in Manhattan up until the late 1920s. *deep breath* </rant>
- Christian (Simply X)
....where was I...oh yeah, great photos...but look, the safety caps on the bottles are not cool...
- Wallace
@Wallace, lol I needed that. I was getting a bit serious there for a moment. ty
- Christian (Simply X)
It's amazing how when facts, history, and paper citations showed up on this thread, certain arguments (and their proponents) vanished. Let's hope that is a trend for the subject in general.
- Neal Jansons
Yea! legalize it! Then again the pain medicine industry would suffer and so would the alchohol industry. They fund the government so doubt this would happen nationally. America is so... behind...
- orionstarr
Hearst memo: "we need to expand the number of reporters, editors and photographers who are running a truly great blog" - http://blogs.wsj.com/digits...
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I can't afford TED so I am making my own TED. Today I visited three companies and played with Google Latitude. Tomorrow? :-)
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Actually four companies: Sparkpr, GoGrid, Radar.net, PlayFish.
- Robert Scoble
There's one celebrity and geek at heart that you've never interviewed Robert!
- directeur
Tomorrow I have the morning free, so am trying to find a fun company to interview. Then in the afternoon I fly to NYC for meetings with my bosses at Fast Company.
- Robert Scoble
directeur: you in San Francisco? I'd love to meet up.
- Robert Scoble
I'll give my old company a plug... Head up to mountain view and talk to Intuit about what they do to get ready for and deal with Tax Season.
- Brian Roy
Robert, come on! me a "celebrity"? :) No, I meant YOU! You've never interviewed yourself right?
- directeur
That is a funny thread...Create your own TED with the Scoble
- Lyn Graft
directeur: I don't like answering stupid questions! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I have an idea Robert: Let me make an interview with you. Me interviewing you about Social media, attention profiling, popularity, microformats and such things. Can we make it? :)
- directeur
Could you interview Sam Altman (Loopt) and get his feelings on Google Latitude?
- Justin Dorfman
Is this where we get to bid for who interviews Robert tomorrow? I'll pitch in with a $12 donation to the '12for12k' charity (http://dannybrown.me/2009...)
- WorldofHiglet
TED, meet BIL: http://bilconference.com/ I heard about this conference because Revision3 is covering it.
- David Wilson
Brian: Intuit is a good idea. I'm meeting with Symantec on Monday morning. Directeur: that would be fun! How would we do it?
- Robert Scoble
Robert - if you want a contact let me know... I can DM it to you
- Brian Roy
Robert, I'd really love to do it! Over skype, or IM if you want. We have different opinions on some things and I like debating them with you
- directeur
how long you in nyc for robert? maybe we could meet on friday morning if you have time
- Allen Stern
Brian, even better, I would love to be connected via email. scobleizer@gmail.com
- Robert Scoble
Allen: this time I'm just flying in and out and already have breakfast plans unfortunately. Grrr, maybe next time? I'll be in NY again soon.
- Robert Scoble
directeur: I'm game, but I need to figure out how to record a Skype call.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: All right! I'll try to figure out this too :)
- directeur
@directeur @Scoble If you're on a mac http://www.ecamm.com/mac... . Works really well.
- Zee.
@Zee: Thank you! I'm on a mac :)
- directeur
hey no probs :)
- Zee.
That's funny, I was just about to sit down with some TED videos for the night.
- xero
If you can't afford to go to TED, just announce a Twitter meet up in your home town. That's what I did. Maybe it will evolve into my own little TED conference. D
- MarkCarras
ok thanks anyway - i think my startup would make for a great video on scobleizer.tv
- Allen Stern
Robert - email in flight... connected you with 3 folks @ Intuit that should be able to get you some good insights.
- Brian Roy
Allen: can we do it late in the afternoon, say at 4? Can you come to 7 World Trade Center?
- Robert Scoble
Where's the SWAG?
- paul mooney
Four company visits in one day? Pics or it didn't happen.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Robert, if you are ever near Champaign/Urbana IL, I can arrange for you to interview Jesse Reichler, a PhD student (Artificial Intelligence/Neural Networks) and the founder of a very unusual software company (donationcoder.com) that has been around for almost 4 years and growing fast. They have a very unique business model that I think you and everyone else would find quite intriguing.
- April Russo (app103)
Bruce: if you were following my Google Locate you would already have had proof. :-) -- we'll have videos up shortly of two of the companies.
- Robert Scoble
friday at 4pm? and btw i think its 7 world financial center not world trade center
- Allen Stern
That's a lot. You must have developed immunity to jet lag.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Allen: yup, Friday at 4 p.m., but call me first. My meetings might run long. I also need to get to the airport by 5:30, so won't have a big window. Oh, and the address is world trade center. http://www.mansueto.com/contact...
- Robert Scoble
interesting when i worked there it was wfc - i think 4-5:30 will be cutting it very close since you will be traveling in rush hour - let's just meetup next time - hope you enjoy nyc - you missed the snow yesterday - it's gone now :)
- Allen Stern
Robert, you should go to BIL instead: http://bilconference.com/
- Michael R. Bernstein
Michael: I can't afford BIL either. It costs money to travel and rent a hotel. Not to mention I can't always be away from home. I was away for Davos.
- Robert Scoble
I think u could have gotten sponsored if u really wanted to go.I'm guessing affordability was not the primary reason.
- Baba
Baba: not true. Money is not flowing in the streets right now.
- Robert Scoble
You can't afford TED? Put out a donation bin. A micropayment model propagated through Twitter. "Send Scoble to $conference". Each person donates $1-$5. That's how to leverage a massive subscriber count.
- Daniel Miessler
Just out of curiosity, how much does TED actually cost?
- V Mary Abraham
Give the guy a break, he just bought a Mac :)
- jcunwired
Daniel, set up twitter integration on http://tipjoy.com/ and tweet 'pay @scobleizer $5 to go to TED'.
- Bruce Lewis
I really wish you could meet with some israeli-based companies. They sure need you feedback.
- Orli Yakuel
Orit, Robert should go with Jeff Pulver on one of the trips :-)
- Richard A.
Were the BIL & TED cons in LA this week intentional ? If so, where's Keanu, and are the people there having an excellent adventure?
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
So true.
- Orli Yakuel
I'm looking forward to when the sessions videos are available.
- Richard A.
HAHA! Totally non-heinous, Enrique! *twiddles air guitar*
- WorldofHiglet
LOL @Enrique although I had to come here to understand the joke. Tweet was cut off!
- richie edquid
Seems to me, that if sequestration can be made to work efficiently, we shouldn't take coal off the table anymore than we should take nuclear off the table. Both coal and nuclear have bad images in the public eye, but we should judge according to outcomes, not emotion. Nuclear scares people for example, but most people think nothing of all the radioactive ash and particulates released by coal, an example of emotion trumping reason.
- Ray Cromwell
I am hosting NED, a hyper exclusive conference and you are invited
- Cathleen Rittereiser
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