 |
|
| FriendFeed is the easiest way to share online. Learn more » |
Tom Morris › Likes
Final paper for http://www.okfn.org/okcon/ submitted yesterday: "Collaborative Structuring of Knowledge
by Experts and the Public", focusing in on Citizendium. Tried to upload to arxiv but require endorsement, as per http://friendfeed.com/science... .
Peter Miller, Mike Chelen, Jean-Claude Bradley and 2 other people liked this
Printed off the PDF - Thanks for uploading it, Daniel.
- Graham Steel
You need endorsement to upload to arXiv? That's disappointing. Other places to upload pdfs - Slideshare and Scribd
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Who do you need for an endorsement? Someone who already has an account? Someone who has published there?
- Cameron Neylon
The rules are explained here: http://arxiv.org/help... Unfortunately, it is not completely transparent and is dependent on the subject-category, so there is no simple answer. arXiv is not an open-science utopia. It has always had some form of moderation to filter out cranks. The present system is at least a little more transparent than the previous one, which relied on...
more...
- Matt Leifer
I understand these new rules (wasn't aware of older versions, though) and find them reasonable in general albeit impractical for my purposes, and even interesting as a dataset in the context of developing a karma system for science. I have never posted to arxiv before (basically because none of my coworkers have), and the most appropriate category for most of my papers would be q-bio....
more...
- Daniel Mietchen
just did http://www.google.de/search... which brought about http://arxiv.org/abs/0802.0745 , filed under cs-dl ( http://arxiv.org/list... ). So this may be another (and perhaps even better) category for this topic. Just wouldn't have thought of it as a label myself.
- Daniel Mietchen
The paper is finally available on arxiv: http://arxiv.org/abs/1008.3977 .
- Daniel Mietchen
The Digitization of Science and the Degradation of the Scientific Method | School of Information - http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/newsand...
A Mitchell, Claudia Koltzenburg, Marcin Wojnarski and 13 other people liked this
Now listening to it. Update after I finished listening: To most of you who "liked" this thread, I would recommend starting at 52 min (sl. 28).
- Daniel Mietchen
from Bookmarklet
8min in (sl. 6): Quote from Director of CERN (Heuer): "Ten or 20 years ago we might have been able to repeat an experiment. They were simpler, cheaper and on a smaller scale. Today that is not the case. So if we need to re-evaluate the data we collect to test a new theory, or adjust it to a new development, we are going to have to be able reuse it. That means we are going to need to save it as open data." Computer Weekly, August 6, 2008
- Daniel Mietchen
12 min (sl. 10): "Relaxed practices regarding the communication of computational details is creating a credibility crisis in computational science, not only among scientists, but as a basis for policy decisions and in the public mind."
- Daniel Mietchen
15 min (sl. 11) Interesting take on Climategate; http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/HARRY_R... .
- Daniel Mietchen
19:30 (sl. 12) peer review does not (normally) include checking code; example from microarray studies (see also http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/ncb... ), but could be any sort of study with multiple potentially error-prone steps
- Daniel Mietchen
around 22 min (sl. 14): Editorial in Science, probably http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi... .
- Daniel Mietchen
23 min (sl. 15): Quote "The scienti c methods central motiva- tion is the ubiquity of error - the aware- ness that mistakes and self-delusion can creep in absolutely anywhere and that the scientists e ffort is primarily expended in recognizing and rooting out error." David Donoho et al. (2009)
- Daniel Mietchen
26 min (sl. 17): Thesis: Computational science cannot be elevated to a third branch of the scienti c method until it generates routinely veri able knowledge. (Donoho, Stodden, et al. 2009)
- Daniel Mietchen
28 min (sl. 18): http://wiki.cacr.caltech.edu/danse... as a model of making computational work reproducible by sharing data according to community standards
- Daniel Mietchen
30 min (sl. 19): Surveying the Machine Learning Community
- Daniel Mietchen
31 min (sl. 20): Top Reasons Not to Share. Mainly supporting Hypothesis 1: Scientists are motivated to share or not share work by perceptions of personal gain or loss.
- Daniel Mietchen
33 min (sl. 22) (mentions that the presentation will be on the web) Top Reasons to Share. Mainly supporting Hypothesis 2: The willingness to reveal work re ects a scientists desire to belong to a community and gain feedback on work.
- Daniel Mietchen
Some questions in between (hard to understand), mainly about _how_ the data were shared (she didn't ask) and whether she would make the data of the survey open (no; she had assured survey participants of confidentiality)
- Daniel Mietchen
Whenever you record a talk or lecture, please make sure that there is a microphone allowing questions from the audience to be recorded as well.
- Daniel Mietchen
43 min mentions NSF policy on mandatory code sharing; not enforced
- Daniel Mietchen
47 min being scooped does not seem to be a frequent fear
- Daniel Mietchen
48 min (sl. 24) I Original expression of ideas falls under copyright by default (papers, code, gures, tables..) I Copyright secures exclusive rights vested in the author to: I reproduce the work I prepare derivative works based upon the original I limited time: generally life of the author + 70 years
- Daniel Mietchen
"copyright is working like right against everything you'd want to do as scientists, with very few exceptions"
- Daniel Mietchen
50 min "tons" of open source software licenses; list at http://www.opensource.org/license...
- Daniel Mietchen
51 min (sl. 27) introduction of Creative Commons licenses
- Daniel Mietchen
52 min (sl. 28) extend the idea to science: "The Reproducible Research Standard": A suite of license recommendations for computational science: 1. Release media components (text, figures) under CC BY, 2. Release code components under Modi fied BSD or similar, 3. Release data to public domain (CC0) or attach an attribution license.
- Daniel Mietchen
[off-topic] seen on the back channel: Should the US finally switch to metric? http://lockergnome.net/questio... - I certainly think so.
- Daniel Mietchen
56 min Journal Biostatistics has, since July 2009, Roger Peng as a "Reproducibility Editor" who will try and run the code of papers accepted for the journal, and label papers accordingly. Couldn't find a page about that, so here's the Editorial Board: http://www.oxfordjournals.org/our_jou... and the instructions for authors: http://www.oxfordjournals.org/our_jou...
- Daniel Mietchen
That would require deposition of the data too, not?
- Egon Willighagen
Yes, she's talking about that right now (ca. 57:30).
- Daniel Mietchen
1h:00 If you're not gonna reveal your methods, I am not really sure what you were doing, but it's not science.
- Daniel Mietchen
1h:02 Large code bases do not easily yield to simple unit testing. We need something scalable here.
- Daniel Mietchen
1:04 Getting back to the cartoon on sl. 21 - reaching out to tenure committees is certainly important, yet it is a slow process; herding cats; some respondents to the survey said they really hadn't thought about this, but now that they did, they would agree it's a problem, and something is to be done about it; mention the extra line in a grant application about sharing of code and data
- Daniel Mietchen
1:07 (sl. 29) US Supreme Court: Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service, http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts... - raw facts are not copyrightable. What does this mean for science?? PD and Attribution licenses are options that avoid the blurry legal ground.
- Daniel Mietchen
1:11 the more standardized our ways of code sharing become, the less problems we are going to have due to mixed licenses.
- Daniel Mietchen
1:12 (sl. 30) Bene ts and Diffculties of the RRS. Copyright is the default, yet a burden on science
- Daniel Mietchen
1:14 (sl. 31) http://sparselab.stanford.edu/ as a demo for code and data sharing
- Daniel Mietchen
1:15 (sl. 32) Conclusions: 1. Massive computation revolutionizing scienti c research, including quantitative social science. 2. New paradigm(s) for publication and veri cation of results: legal standard and open platforms. 3. Questions emerging regarding adherence to the scienti c method, and replicability o our published computational results. 4. Barriers to reproducibility, including...
more...
- Daniel Mietchen
1:16 She's on one of the NSF Grand Challenges task forces on the future of scientific computing - report to come out in July (i.e. now), with section about reproducibility. Not at http://www.stanford.edu/~vcs... yet, though.
- Daniel Mietchen
1:18 "I would love for NSF to do a few pilot projects to do fully reproducible research." - I fully agree with that, and welcome the side effect of such projects would be open by nature.
- Daniel Mietchen
1:19 There is anecdotal evidence but no clear study of an "open access citation advantage" for open data papers. Cites an example of a lab run completely reproducibly for 20 years, motto: everyone in the lab should be able to reproduce this particular figure.
- Daniel Mietchen
End of the recording. To most of you who "liked" this thread, I would recommend starting at 52 min (sl. 28).
- Daniel Mietchen
Regarding microphones for the audience, it is good practice for the speaker to repeat or summarize the question.
- Mike Chelen
from Android
I agree, but many speakers don't follow it, nor did she. So, somewhat ironically, the questions on her talk are not all reproducible.
- Daniel Mietchen
Seconding the recommendation to for the speaker to repeat the question. Ideally the audience mikes would be recorded too, but that's much less likely to happen, I think. Also, when it comes to science, the US has entirely switched to metric. Some engineering firms still use the imperial system, but you can send them stuff in metric. Changing everyday measurements such as those found on bottles and cans in the store would be nice, too.
- Mr. Gunn
Science Hack Day — London, June 19th–20th: Anyone in for OA2wiki? - http://sciencehackday.com/
Cameron Neylon, Claudia Koltzenburg, Mr. Gunn and 3 other people liked this
What I am after is tools that help to convert and upload CC-licensed journal articles (like those from PLoS, BMC, Hindawi, Frontiers or Copernicus journals) into MediaWiki. Anyone interested? Related suggestions?
- Daniel Mietchen
from Bookmarklet
Daniel, this is similar to the front end I'm hoping to build for my "np-compete" idea so maybe there could be some overlap in the code we develop for this. (For more details see http://www.slideshare.net/axiomso... and http://www.danhagon.me.uk/blog...). Are you going to the event? If so it would be great to chat about ideas for this.
- Dan Hagon
Dan, can't make it, but @tommorris will probably be there, and he has an interest in that. Saw your presentation and blog and yes, at least the "allow users to annotate X in the document with RDFa " element (slide 32) would be of interest in the wiki context I have in mind.
- Daniel Mietchen
A good start could be PLoS ONE, as it's the largest source of OA articles, both in number of articles and breadth of topics. Just browsed a bit and found http://www.plosone.org/article... which has all of the essential elements: text, equations, tables, figures, supporting information. Of the three formats offered (HTML, PDF and XML), the latter is perhaps the best starting point for conversion to MediaWiki.
- Daniel Mietchen
has there been any more developments around this? I am looking for a wiki space to provide PLoS content that has health relevance to certain areas, providing the content in native language (as per http://friendfeed.com/kubke...)
- Kubke
There seems to be a lot of commentary over the past few days around getting things in and out of Wikis. What with Egon's work with Samuel and the structured data extension mentioned elsewhere...
- Cameron Neylon
@cameron any links to that?
- Kubke
Does the Internet Make You Smarter? - WSJ.com - http://online.wsj.com/article...
Peter Miller, Tom Morris, Chris Miller and 3 other people liked this
"Peer review was a cultural institution that took the printing press for granted as a means of distributing research quickly and widely, but added the kind of cultural constraints that made it valuable."
- Daniel Mietchen
"We are living through a similar explosion of publishing capability today, where digital media link over a billion people into the same network. This linking together in turn lets us tap our cognitive surplus, the trillion hours a year of free time the educated population of the planet has to spend doing things they care about. In the 20th century, the bulk of that time was spent...
more...
- Daniel Mietchen
"the cumulative time devoted to creating Wikipedia, something like 100 million hours of human thought, is expended by Americans every weekend, just watching ads."
- Daniel Mietchen
"Today we have The World's Funniest Home Videos running 24/7 on YouTube, while the potentially world-changing uses of cognitive surplus are still early and special cases. That always happens too. In the history of print, we got erotic novels 100 years before we got scientific journals, and complaints about distraction have been rampant"
- Daniel Mietchen
"Just as required education was a response to print, using the Internet well will require new cultural institutions as well, not just new technologies. It is tempting to want PatientsLikeMe without the dumb videos, just as we might want scientific journals without the erotic novels, but that's not how media works."
- Daniel Mietchen
Where tech and philosophy collide - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
futureseek, Roberto Bonini, Tom Morris and Amira liked this
From BBC News: "While futurism involves trying to predict how technology will evolve over time, transhumanism is concerned with how that technology will change the fundamental nature human beings and the way we live[...] Among the futures envisaged is a world where human consciousness can be uploaded onto storage devices to live inside virtual environments. The real world, they speculate, will also be enhanced with nano-robots, which live in the air and swarm together to form solid objects on demand. Yet transhumanism is part only part science. Those who engage in it spend much of their time debating the philosophical implications of their predictions."
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
"But despite its occasional moral hand-wringing, transhumanism is a controversial field. The term itself was coined by the evolutionary biologist Julian Huxley in his 1957 essay of the same name. Even more controversially, Huxley was also a leading proponent of eugenics - social engineering through selective breeding. To this day, critics maintain that transhumanism will lead to a world...
more...
- Mark Trapp
I don't buy transhumanism and the Singularity stuff. "Intelligent design for the IQ 140 crowd" sums it up best IMHO.
- Tom Morris
I think transhumanists/singularists frequently move the goalposts, based on data analysis that would make an alchemist or an astrologer cringe, but there's something to the normative definition of a long term goal for humanity's progress. Most people have 5-year, 10-year, and 20-year plans; these types of theories, and they don't simply have to be transhumanism, are like 100-year or...
more...
- Mark Trapp
Now we have open source Etherpad, conferences are evolving to be as advanced as they were in 2004. ;) #okcon - http://twitter.com/tommorr...
Tom Morris and Daniel Mietchen liked this
Really looking forward to an Etherpad clone providing RSS feeds.
- Daniel Mietchen
I say this because I went to a conference in 2004 and we were all using SubEthaEdit (formerly known as Hydra). There was a sense of responsibility that people would use it to provide a useful permanent transcript for people unable to attend. We then got Twitter and YouTube and people decided that providing a decent text transcript wasn't really done any more. EtherPad has introduced the people who never got to play with SubEthaEdit (they either missed it or didn't have a Mac).
- Tom Morris
I wrote this about SubEthaEdit and EtherPad - http://tommorris.org/wiki...
- Tom Morris
The Crisis of Philosophy, by Jason Stanley - Inside Higher Ed - http://www.insidehighered.com/views...
Tom Morris and پيام liked this
A typical humanist might be somewhat interested in the philosophical views of a certain group, but is probably more interested in the identity that results. The philosopher is interested in the logical consequences of the basic doctrines. Hence, many humanists find the discipline of philosophy baffling – the very project of investigating philosophical questions in isolation from historical context seems odd, like doing the mathematics of religious belief. Nevertheless, if the purpose of the humanities is to challenge preconceptions and basic beliefs, in the service of forming a better and more tolerant citizen of a diverse and globalized world, the methods of the philosopher and the methods of the historian are equally necessary.
- liberal feed
from Bookmarklet
This piece became a bit clearer to me when I understood that a humanist is used to mean someone with a degree from the humanities :)
- Eivind
“My blog is carbon neutral” initiative (the essentials) - http://www.kaufda.de/umwelt...
Tom Morris and Ho liked this
"Just a few easy steps to make it green: 1. Write a blog post about the initiative + insert your favourite button 2. E-mail the link to your post to CO2-neutral@kaufda.de 3. We plant a tree for your blog in Plumas’! " - See also http://ff.im/hIWtB .
- Daniel Mietchen
from Bookmarklet
iPad is a consuming platform, not a creating/producing platform.
Tom Morris liked this
All it needs is a keyboard!
- Jeff Boulter
I replied on twitter that I think I was too harsh. It can't capture pictures, isn't very good at text (i expect), but you can still create with the touch interface, probably in new ways. Might be a great video editing device, musical instrument, editing, sift, sorting, searching device. The possibilities are greater than just a "larger ipod touch".
- Dave Beckett
Harsh? Perhaps. But still true. It's not a computer. It's not meant to be a computer. No "real" apps. So, not muchfor creating/producing there.
- Vicki Brown
Bertrand Russell on God (1959) - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
  |
Yaroslav Nikolaev, Tom Morris, Daniel Mietchen and 2 other people liked this
Here we are 50 years later still having the same discussion.
- Matthew Todd
Strange how some beliefs seem so completely resistant to evidence (e.g. creationism in the US). What is the reason and what is the cure?
- Björn Brembs
What'd you expect? religions requires floodings and arks to solve those kind of issues...
- Egon Willighagen
What I expect is to change the opinion in the face of overwhelming evidence. Sounds reasonable to me :-)
- Björn Brembs
Some good points "5 reasons libertarians shouldn't hate govt." http://reason.com/archive...
Tom Morris and Alex Scrivener liked this
In 2010, Edge's annual question is: How is the Internet changing the way you think? Great answers all the way! http://www.edge.org/q2010...
Tom Morris, Sandeep Gautam and Daniel Mietchen liked this
Installing Etherpad | Pauleira! - http://pauleira.com/13...
Dan Hagon, Cameron Neylon, Tom Morris and 2 other people liked this
Ask TLS: is non-access to published literature a problem for those who have reviewed manuscripts? It never occurred to me until I had to review something, wanted to check a few references, and found them behind a pay-wall...
Tom Morris, Daniel Mietchen, Khader Shameer and 3 other people liked this
Is there a precedent for the journal reviewing a manuscript paying for reviewers to access subscription-only articles at other journals, or, heaven forbid, for reviewers to pay for access themselves? Or is it that reviewers check references so rarely that it just isn't an issue? When they do happen to come across one they don't have access to, do they just go "meh" and move on?
- Shirley Wu
Also, I suspect that since many reviewers are well-ensconced in the cozy surroundings of their institutional subscriptions, this occurs much much much less often for them than it would for a reviewer like me, who is not in academia...
- Shirley Wu
Despite my academia-level access, I frequently find myself unable to read references I want while reviewing. If they are essential to my understanding or my argument, I post to the RW room; if that fails I note in my review that I think [cite] is important but I was unable to access it. I suspect that most reviewers go with "meh" though...
- Bill Hooker
Thanks, Bill, those are good alternatives to going "meh" ;).
- Shirley Wu
from twhirl
JMB give 30 day access to a large range of literature to their referees via a temporary account on Scopus.
- Iddo Friedberg
from Android
Kudos to JMB -- I'm surprised, because that is tacit acknowledgement that there's an access problem, which is something that most publishers deny.
- Bill Hooker
Reviewing for cross disciplinary journals can require access to many different journals. As Bill H notes, academia access is no guarantee of access.
- Bill Anderson
from twhirl
Though it involves paying $$ -- Deep Dyve is what I've been recommending to health providers not associated with academic institutions. At $19.99/mo for unlimited access, it's not a bad price, though the site's received some negative reviews for its search engine. I haven't given it a try, though, so don't know how specific one needs to be to get to a precise article. This testing is on the list for the new year!
- Mickey Schafer
Just for fun, I ran "autism prosody" at Deep Dyve, and although the citation count was absurdly high, the first dozen or so articles are the same ones that come up in gopubmed or novoseek. A few articles were freely available.
- Mickey Schafer
I recently ran into this in a serious way reviewing facility proposals for a well known synchrotron. Some stuff out of my field and I really just wanted to check whether what was being proposed was novel. But I had no way to do that because I couldn't access the relevant literature.
- Cameron Neylon
Putting in author's name in the advanced filter worked to pull up a single article. It appears that it has to be last name, first name/initial, though there are no immediate instructions for that. In any case, may work for fast retrieval of an individual item for the purposes of checking sources (as opposed to downloading them). Don't know if they have a library or folder system which would be particularly useful for organizations.
- Mickey Schafer
Deep Dyve does have a bookmarking function -- didn't see that until I went to the sign up page. I realize this is not ideal OA by any means, but again, for non-academic practitioners, having a "rental" service is a good solution with significant cost savings compared to individual subscriptions to something like MD Consult.
- Mickey Schafer
see also: http://omicsomics.blogspot.com/2009... - pq: "I've been frustrated on more than one occasion whilst reviewing a paper that I couldn't access their supplementary data, and have certainly encountered this as a reader as well. I've sometimes meekly protested as a reviewer; in the future I resolve to consider this automatic grounds for "needs major revision"." via: http://friendfeed.com/mndoci...
- Bill Hooker
Paper access for a reviewer is indeed a problem! I have to admit, I often just go 'meh' and do a second-rate job, simply to save time. Which is just one of many reasons why for me the status quo of scientific publishing is the worst part of my job.
- Björn Brembs
from iPhone
Meh myself. By the time I put the paperwork in for interlibrary loan, it is activated, payment from my grant is approved, and the rest of the madness the deadline for the review would be way past gone.
- Kubke
Nice, I didn't notice the discussion here had expanded until Bill reshared. @Iddo, does JMB automatically provide instructions for the temporary Scopus account or do they wait for the reviewer to come to them with the problem? Still although there are workarounds like this, a lot of these solutions probably don't work too well with the modus operandi of most scientists... namely,...
more...
- Shirley Wu
Dehumanized: When math and science rule the school—By Mark Slouka (Harper's Magazine) - http://www.harpers.org/archive...
Tom Morris liked this
Liked for the way they handle footnotes - no jumping needed.
- Daniel Mietchen
from Bookmarklet
learning that Tesco do flu jabs and that they give 200 loyalty points for it too!
James Robertson and Tom Morris liked this
the cloud is just computers, can we just stop this silliness? (just received an email entitled "move your dev/test to the cloud!")
Tom Morris liked this
is amused that the guy trying to sell html5tutorial.net is wondering whether @brucel is a real person, or a competitor - http://flippa.com/auction...
Tom Morris liked this
RT @GavinNewsom No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick. #welovethenhs
Tom Morris liked this
Al Franken does what politicians are meant to do: http://www.youtube.com/watch... #welovethenhs (sort of)
 |
Tom Morris liked this
This is a slightly better perch as @sirmewton can watch what's happening on the screen. http://twitpic.com/h77la
 |
Tom Morris liked this
http://stackoverflow.com/ is truly excellent idea, community is v.helpful, even more than on IRC.
Roderic Page, Daniel J. Pritchett, Tom Morris and 4 other people liked this
I'm telling you, this is highlight of the week at least, all those badges, tags, comments, reputation! Imagine the same system on FF :-)
- Piotr Byzia
from twhirl
I really like stackoverflow, but not sure you want a reputation system on FF. I kinda like the informal aspect of the whole thing.
- Deepak Singh
Hmm, you're probably right, I'm just keen to see any system reducing information noise, 'hide' is not enough IMHO.
- Piotr Byzia
from twhirl
@Piotr You mean something like this? http://tinyurl.com/89a5qu Also, I think Stack Overflow is awesome, though I'm a bit perplexed at why it works. http://tinyurl.com/c7n9bc
- Chris Lasher
The other difference is that on FF, your karma is contextual to an individual. In other words you control whom you hide, etc. The stack overflow system is global.
- Deepak Singh
@Chris Yes, I'm pretty sure tagging is a high priority on the FF developer's TODO and it will be convenient ones it's here. What I like about SO are suggestions (when writing your question) and community editing (tags, comments, questions, answers, pretty everything) so that there is endless improvements in content.
- Piotr Byzia
@Deepak Karma is no harm to anybody, ideally, you would be able to filter content by a particular karma level (i.e. 'show me comments from people with karma >1.5k) Add to this tags (... with tags: R;motifs) and create an RSS feed based on that...
- Piotr Byzia
@Chris Great post about SO! I agree on all points you made there, especially on "psychological carrot" in getting karma. But I would say that programmers active on SO are just aficionados of their tools (AKA geeks ;) ). Quite similar to who you can find on FF in some of their rooms ;-)
- Piotr Byzia
Dont like reputation based groups. Instead I prefer the old fashioned email based newsgroup. When I see a two page reply that is the perfect solution ..thats sheer altruism with no strings attached. I still turn to comp.lang.python or some googlegroup before SO
- Hari
I can't use mail based groups any more, even small internal groups. Too insular, and too much noise since email is such a bad medium here. Plus there is very limited google juice. The day of going to a site are going way.
- Deepak Singh
Wow, Hari, you dig deep in archive, this thread is from March ;-) I follow c.l.p. but only through RSS, for getting quick answers SO is the best, and quality is good enough to get things done.
- Piotr Byzia
I agree with Deepak, if mailing lists -- only digest version.
- Piotr Byzia
surprised by the number of americans whose attitude to healthcare is "well, I'm never sick, so the rest of you can screw yourselves".
Tom Morris liked this
Daniel Dennett lecture on "Free Will" (Edinburgh University) - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
 |
Marcos de Carvalho, Jean-Claude Bradley, Tom Morris and 2 other people liked this
"You should try the cheap substitute, it's pretty good" - Daniel Dennett on free will
- Christopher Harris
FriendFeed has been almost completely blocked in Iran as far as we can tell. We have a large number of very active Iranian users, and we noticed a steep decline in activity yesterday. Graph below.
erfan, وحید معمولی, آرام and 728 other people liked this
:(
- Paul Buchheit
:( :(
- Rachel Lea Fox
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Related to the election?
- τorƍue
:(
- Ross Miller
that's so bad...
- Eren Emre Kanal
:-(
- Kevin Fox
τorƍue: Yes, as far as we know
- Bret Taylor
Bret: Is this based on IP numbers located in Iran, or actual activity from those users? If it's IP based, it'd be interesting to see the activity on a user basis and see if they've been able to route around the blocking.
- Ken Sheppardson
:(
- marina remi
Could it be related to Twitter being blocked (and therefore the twitter traffic import being blocked)?
- Stephan Osmont
):
- Jim Norris
Some users are definitely going through proxies. This is total # of unique visits from IPs originating in Iran
- Bret Taylor
That tells it's own, sad, story.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
:(((
- Oguz Serdar
Wow.
- Rochelle
If Twitter were blocked and FriendFeed weren't, I'd expect an uptick in FriendFeed activity, not a 92% drop.
- Kevin Fox
I.e. given all the users who've previously accessed the site from an Iran IP number, how many have been active from different numbers in the past 2 days.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sad.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
Instead of "liking" this, shouldn't we have an "unlike" button?
- Steven Melfi
:( Bret: According to Stephen fry, these are the iran proxies: 218.128.112.18:8080 218.206.94.132:808 218.253.65.99:808 219.50.16.70:8080 . Can you track these IPs?
- Roberto Bonini
I knew this day was coming. Too bad.
- Robert Scoble
Steven - same feeling here. I always feel weird "liking" bad stories on FF
- Mike Bracco
How does traffic from China look? Or North Korea?
- τorƍue
do not like :(
- Tamara
@τorƍue Twitter has been restored in China
- Stephan Osmont
Hey... we saw issues with blogfa.com as well: http://blog.spinn3r.com/2009...
- Kevin A. Burton
like for spread but not like for the situation
- Imprenditore
I wonder what the international community can do about stuff like this. Eventually the "bad guys" will lose.
- Michiel Sikkes
Hopefully, we'll never see a graph like this for Turkey...
- Onur Şentüre
that's because the government has blocked access to friendfeed,twitter,facebook,youtube and ... after election and after protests in Iran cities !
- Farshad
Man... :( That's really a corrupt government. Hope it gets better soon.
- Peter
That's horrible.
- @barisunver #beyn.org
Kheyzaran mentioned over the weekend that both Twitter and FF were blocked for Iran starting I believe on Friday. He is using a proxy when possible to keep us updated
- FFing Enigma
Bret, any analysis about how many people unable to access FF directly are still able to access it via proxy?
- Daniel Dulitz
:-(
- bookmeister
:( Let the voices be heard!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
So sad...
- Luka
Sigh :(
- Havang
can you suggest a way in friendfeed to show the situation in iran to the world ? its very important
- Farshad
I doubt any regular North Koreans have computers τorƍue
- Eric
Daniel: Well, we are still getting a bunch of Farsi comments and posts. They may be Persians from outside Iran or from Iranians using proxies. We don't have a detailed analysis breaking those down at this point.
- Bret Taylor
The stigmata of evil.
- Tim Tyler
all cominucation devices are blocked .even phone & cell phones !
- MohammadReza
see this for example : http://abcnews.go.com/Interna...
- Farshad
Watching the "guerrilla cyberwarfare" aspect of the elections and reactions has been fascinating. Iran's universities are obviously full of resourceful, passionate geeks.
- John Craft
not good in terms of freedom
- Sheri Fresonke Harper
this is really bad. i hope there's some resolution to this. the people or iran have shown a lot of strength and courage to protest the illegitimacy of recent events. i don't think this will stop things
- Cee Bee
please help us , we are under attack ,change friendfeed logo if you can
- فرزاد
@MVB we all are Protests
- MohammadReza
That's sad.
- EricaJoy
:( Dislike.
- Ruchira S. Datta
:(
- ◄ 道 ► D/\\/|I|D ッ
P.S. Kevin should turn the logo green in support of the Iranian's being disenfranchised.
- EricaJoy
:((
- رامین
For those that are in Iran: Have you tried http://fftogo.com as a workaround?
- FFing Enigma
make a room for us, invite your friends we will fill it with latest news
- Farshad
I'm completely for having a fair vote, but I'm not sure that I'd want to try and align FriendFeed with a particular candidate, which is what a green logo would imply.
- Kevin Fox
Many iranians using proxies to access FF. and therefore their IPs changes to fake IP .
- آدمیرال
MohammadReza: Maryam's mom is still able to call her relatives and friends in Tehran, so they are keeping some voice traffic open, if not all.
- Robert Scoble
Farshad, I'm trying to post news here: http://friendfeed.com/world-n...
- Kol Tregaskes
thanks kol :)
- Farshad
If Iran thinks they have nothing to fear, then why block Friendfeed?
- Frode Stenstrøm
Frode: because the government is like China: they believe that by retarding the flow of information they will reduce the threat of protests and governmental overthrow.
- Robert Scoble
Very reminiscent of the prelude to the fall of the Shah
- Alan Morris
I don't speak Persian, so I don't know all the searches, but there are still (luckily) a lot of Persian users posting: http://friendfeed.com/search.... If you are Persian and looking for updates, try our search engine to find the few users who still have access.
- Bret Taylor
Frode: and in Iran's case, they are run by conservative religious authorities and they don't like the fact that they are not in control of information flow like they used to be. They like to think they can still control information sources and, since they can't, they try to block places where their citizens can go to share information.
- Robert Scoble
is it a joke? iranian users seems the %90 of friend feed. it could not be real!
- Fırat Demirel
Firat: There are no units on the vertical axis of the chart.
- Ken Sheppardson
Firat: This is a chart of traffic from Iran, not of FF's total traffic.
- Kevin Fox
Firat, i doubt that this graph is a percentage graph... probably more likely that it's measuring hits, sessions, or total data transfered (mb, kb, etc)
- Chris Heath
Kevin: what impact did this have on FF's overall traffic?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Iran is the #6 country for FriendFeed in terms of page views per day.
- Bret Taylor
something is cooking out there...
- mehdi
Thanks all for answers. i told that it could not be real.. :) excuse me, i ve just read Bret's notice and looked at breaking point. i saw what i've missed before.. bad news for ff and iran.. :(
- Fırat Demirel
These statistics are incredible, especially the normally heavy useage of FF in Iran.
- Curt Mercadante
Bret Taylor, we can tag our pix and vids about iran election by an english keyword such as 'iran' or 'iranelection'. I think it will help to ff non-persian users to find out more about unrests in iran.
- آدمیرال
Iran restored cell phone service Sunday that had been down in the capital since Saturday. But Iranians still could not send text messages from their mobile phones, and the government increased its Internet filtering in an apparent attempt to undercut opposition voices. Social networking sites including Facebook and Twitter were also not working.
- Üstün Üzüm
Do *not* like. :(
- Pete D
:(
- Mitch
آقا یکی توضیح بده اینکه من(ما) لایک میزنیم! عملا دیسلایک ه ! :(
- younes
Younes says that our likes to this graph mean dislike to tehran's regime censorship
- آدمیرال
I can't find any evidence of Twitter being blocked in Iran. Anyone?
- Martin Bryant
TechCrunch just picked this up: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the translation آدمیرال !
- Ross Miller
ممنونم آدمیرال عزیز
- younes
خواهش دوست من.
- آدمیرال
martin: those words are not mine actually from a news article from washinton post.
- Üstün Üzüm
On twitter people are retweeting the IPs and ports of unblocked proxies, can we do something like that here?
- Canageek
martin, i'm from iran. twitter is blocked. what evidence you wanna? screenshot!?
- آدمیرال
yes Canageek. we use proxies for tweeting
- آدمیرال
Authorities blocking the internet are just reinforcing solidarity between people, can't they understand ?
- stanjourdan
Stanislas: not to mention they encourage their smartest and richest people to leave (the ones who have technical skills). There's a reason why Silicon Valley has 10,000 or more Iranians living here. Their government sucks and the people are getting tired of it. Of course if their government was great I would never have met my wife (who grew up in Tehran). So, there is good to come out of a crappy government! :-)
- Robert Scoble
it has always seemed to me that the iranian user base is ENORMOUS here. wow. unbelievable.
- edythe
It is interesting how much civil unrest that is brewing across the globe towards their governments. The knee jerk reactions in attempting to block certain websites shows how much they didn't expect the net to become such a widespread conduit for cutting through the bs and informing those that wish to know. I wish those who take a stand all the best.
- alphaxion
:(
- Roberto
Another way for those that are in Iran is to access through Netvibes (but I don't know if it works or if it's blocked too), adding Friendfeed, Gmail and so on such as modules
- Roberto
Thanks for sharing this, Bret. It's valuable evidence of what's going on, evidence which wouldn't have been available even a few years ago.
- Michael Nielsen
sad
- Pedro Beltrao
Very interesting...so much for democracy and voting rights in Iran...
- freedom fighter mom
If anybody in Iran feels up to it, can you temporarily disable your proxy and run a traceroute to friendfeed.com and twitter.com then post the results here?
- EricaJoy
Bret and Paul, can you let us know if the traffic comes back, which would tell us they've unblocked FriendFeed?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: absolutely, we will let everyone know when it comes back up
- Bret Taylor
from email
Steven: You Like that it was posted, not the content of the post.
- Tanath
Bret, thanks for sharing the info about the dive. Shame, but what could we have expected from the Iranian status quo?
- Jon Osterholm
البته یه چیز هم هست اونکه بعد از فیلترینگ همه با آی پی غیر ایرانی می ان فرندفید و برای همنی آمارشون اینجا ثبت نمیشه ... وگرنه فکر نمی کنم از لحاظ تعداد نفراتی که میومدن کم شده باشه ... بلکه هم بیشتر
- Hamed Safa
@بی بی, you might try https://friendfeed.com/
- Jim Norris
:(
- imabonehead
Damn.
- Steven Perez
Good luck to all of you trying to get around the censorship. I hope the big sites are doing what they can to help out.
- Eric
Looking at the potential of this event in the future for numerous causes is mind-boggling. Really amazing.
- Charlie Anzman
Come to think of it, does FF have a presence in China? I'd imagine it's blocked there. I've seen Chinese on here, but never sure if that's from China or speakers outside.
- anna sauce
Tnx Bret
- CNFRMST
Thnaks :)
- Exir
ببین شب انتخاباتی چکار کردیم با این فرفر. wow!
- ابوهدی
چه همه لااااااااااااااااایک!
- ابوهدی
:((
- AJ Batac :)
Damn.
- Derrick
Expected.
- Michael W. May
Yes, Friendfeed is blocked in Iran. Right now the papers and TV channels here are controlled by the government and our access to satellite channels is blocked too. Friendfeed and Twitter are quite vital for us now. Our main source of exchanging information and news is Friendfeed. Via Friendfeed we let everyone know that where people need help and where to go and how to help them and...
more...
- Selma
Selma: does https://friendfeed.com/ work for you?
- Bret Taylor
Nope, they have blocked all https addresses, we have had to sign in to Friendfeed via anti-filters for the past few months.
- Selma
Can't we "help" in some way? Providing proxies, I don't know, the kind of stuff pirates do. Pirates, and people trying to make a Revolution happen....
- Zackatoustra
It may not be long before Turkey joins the party.
- Sarp Tüzün
It's very sad to see this happen
- Michael Fidler
tnx all of you...
- شاطر امین
internet was our last hope ...but it block...and we cant use it easily...
- Opium
I just spoke with my friend Andres, the main BBC correspondent for the Middle East/Afghanistan, and he mentioned the web is being fire walled in Iran much the same as the the "Great Firewall" during last year's Olympics in China.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
The Iranian websites that people used to exchange information about the election protests in Iran are under cyber-attacks by the government forces and from anonymous sources. Many of them are down right now. These Iranian websites were our few last remaining channels to inform people. What can we do about that? Is there anyone out there who can help us with this?
- شاطر امین
i was 53rd active user in friendfeed until this filtering. now i can open FF with proxies and if i can fine. a Vpn but many Vpn here come from companies that have relations with security services, i thunk they allow us to bypass filternig and then, they will arrest who has wrote against their goals
- خیزران
Can't we transfer the data/databases of the sites you, iranian guys, use to any new domain we could buy? I want to help. Not by throwing rocks to "security service" forces, but, at least, by making possible for what YOU have to say to go public, worldwide.
- Zackatoustra
so so sorry for iran people... I hope they will win...
- Tanaydin Sirin
Some amazing images from Iran - http://ff.im/42pgD
- Brent - Yes I am
Does http://fftogo.com work still?
- FFing Enigma
Selma: 1- I don't use a proxy but clearing all but one (deleting them all logs me out) instance of each friendfeed.com cookie name and refreshing the page always solves this for me in Firefox. Has never happened on Lunascape or IE. Good luck.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Friendfeedがイランでblockされているというコトらしい。いったいどういう理由でだか分からないけれど……もし、国内のゴタゴタの影響であればいずれtwitterも、ということになりかねないのかも。／でも、fftogoを使えば迂回できるのかな？
- Sakurai.Catshop
What about email, amin.m? Are you able to post to FF by emailing share@friendfeed?
- FFing Enigma
Could http://dev.ctor.org/f2p, http://frienddeck.com or http://peoplebrwsr.com work for friendfeed?
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Very sad.
- Parth Awasthi
The reason I ask is because if you can email a post, then try sending it to share@friendfeed and also to YourUserName@friendfeed. Then when someone comments you'll receive an email about it and you can comment back to the thread via email as well.
- FFing Enigma
No wonder why !
- Pelin
+ don't use your ISP's DNS server, verify your Firewall, search for rootkits.. + If you really wanna use Tor, be 'mobile', check the onion's status, don't be too confident, continue to use encrypted protocols & 'mobile' ports. At least, read Tor's docs and articles about Tor & privacy/security..
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I don't know if these can help but I put them here anyway http://www.noiseriver.com/ http://moopz.com/
- M F
Alexandros: Frienddeck could work for certain parts - posts and queries against user accounts are proxied through the App Engine, searches are direct against Friendfeed so they could probably not work.
- Paul Kinlan
Thanks :((
- Mahdi Motamed
:( booooooo
- Duncan Rawlinson
:o
- FF88
DAMN!
- Vicey
whoa, NOT good
- Susan Beebe
We wish the people of Iran well in these difficult times
- Marc
Not good at all. Best wishes to the Iranian FFers. I hope this whole mess gets cleared up quickly and with as little violence as possible
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
this is terribly wrong
- Francisco Costa
A government that takes away people's Friendfeed will not last long.
- Goran Zec
WOW CRAZY
- Matt Kaufman
I like that 667 people liked this, that's 667 people hoping it all gets resolved justly and peacefully.
- SteVe C
now we are 676 people who liked that =) hoping too everthing gets resolved peacefully.
- Ibrahim Tarlig
Bret, is there any update on this? Is activity still low?
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes, we are still being blocked
- Bret Taylor
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
:-(
- Arif Siddiquee
definitely DON'T LIKE this... >_< ...would love to be able do more than retweeting proxies
- Daniele
Best regards from Chile to all iranian people, we know a lot about bad government and human rights. Good luck, strength and courage to all of you.
- Roberto Arancibia
:(
- Shey
It's to bad there is such attempts to block free flow of information, how long will it be before there is more amazing differences happening? Such limits, hmm.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
They have to keep the militants in check. Thank goodness for the pipes that were broken.
- tony
Digg.com is block in Iran now.
- Sahandram
:-(
- Paolo Valzania
:((
- Mitchell Tsai
Interesting censorship- same can happen in America - I would like to talk to you abt Friendfeed and bringing over some large groups do you have time?
- JanSimpson
I've seen those censorship about FriendFeed (Iran). Do you know some interesting and objective blogposts about it?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
:(
- Rachel Lea Fox
Do you have a similar graph as ff's been blocked in China?
- K.D.
And China now has a similar blockage. You should also check on it.
- Kenyth
Sometimes we forget how easy we have it than other countries. But until people revolt & I mean a HUGE revolution injustices will still go on.
- Gabriella Sannino
پرلایک ترین فید فرفره این
- رامین
jeddi?
- Hamed Safa
from IM
che jaleb , oonvaght por comment dartarin feed kodoome? bebinim mishe feed 2khtare mardom e farzad davan davan ro be oon beresoonim?
- Hamed Safa
from IM
ba mobile am ... to bebin bara manam tarif kon :D
- Hamed Safa
from IM
:)))))))))
- حُسین آفلاینـ
is it still filtered?
- آرام
یادش بخیر!
- ابوهدی
The Apple ad I was in in 1992
2Picture, Kirb, Dan Hsiao and 110 other people liked this
I resent this to test out FriendFeed's email feature.
- Robert Scoble
from email
This was a brochure for college students back in 1992 that advertised the Mac IIci and one of the first PowerBooks. Yes, I used to be an Apple shill! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
awesome! thanks for sharing LOL
- Susan Beebe
My son was amazed. He didn't know about it. But then he was born in 1994.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Lol, that's awesome Scoble...
- Colin
you look like you were about 12 ....
- angela penny
nothing comes between you and your calvins, er, i mean macintosh.
- Greg Verdino
Angela: it was when I was in college. 17 years ago. Yikes.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
That's really fun! You've lived an interesting life
- Andrew
that's pretty awful rob. As Bender would say: "You come a long way, baby"
- Mark
LOL. you look too young, not 17:))
- Oguz Serdar
WOW! That's hilarious! What a cool thing to have.
- James Hull
Ah. 1992. I would love to go back in time to 1992 with a Macbook Pro or something, and show you some tech from the future and then take it off you and bugger off back to the future.
- Mark
You were a girl in 1992? Oh wait - you mean you were the guy on the LEFT! :) :)
- Lee Drake
Lee, I was thinking the same thing. :)
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Tiger Beat pose FTW
- Jay Cuthrell
Prasoon: Microsoft made the best Macintosh software back then. I worked at Microsoft from 2003-2006.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I was an Apple fanboi long before I was a Microsoft one. Funny that in 1993 I started switching to Windows.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
look at you robert! cool stuff.
- sean percival
lovely (and it doesn't look as if so many years have passed by the way)
- sofiagk
I rotated it for you. http://images.scripting.com/archive...
- Dave Winer
1 sexy pose
- polou/indigo_bow
Hmm....Hey RObert....I still have a photo of you in the Norseman that I'm sure will get a bigger reaction than this one! Think graba$$.
- Nick
Nick: those photos would be quite amusing! (Nick was on newspaper staff when we attended community college together).
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
OMG how cool is that?
- BEX
My son thinks it is cool.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Woz and I talked later about the Mac IIcx's. They were so easy to upgrade. I miss that era of computers.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I remember attending Apple's IIci announcement at the Universal Ampitheater in October 1990? Later in the day I met with Guy Kawasaki and discussed his ideas for a board game. I ordered a IIci on the developer's discount at just over $4600. I still have it and the copy of the check I used to pay for it.
- Mike Shulman
nice picture Robert!
- Jeremiah Owyang
Barbara Kruger style ...
- deerstep
Like the ad. I was testing FF email feature yesterday. Did you send from your phone or desktop?
- Nakeva Corothers
Interesting how Apple has always worked so hard going after the college/university student market, especially in the context of the way they dominate sales of computers over the $1000 mark now. It's not only targeting young minds, it's also targeting young minds that are disproportionately likely to be wealthier than average in their careers and invest in themselves.
- Jed White
This is great. I love the come-hither pose.
- Mike Doeff
from iPhone
WOW! 4-8MB is standard...
- Just Joe
Michael Dell started his company in his collage dorm room
- paul mooney
Ok, you asked for it. I am going to scan them in and post them somewhere harmful! lol.
- Nick
Just remember Nick I have a few of you too! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Cute!
- Kathy Fitch
Scientific findings in a digital world: What is the genuine article? at the British Library on 22nd July (18.00 - 20.30) - http://network.nature.com/groups...
Meryn Stol, Lévy, Björn Brembs and 14 other people liked this
"Looking Good on Paper The gold standard of the peer-reviewed scientific paper has barely changed in form since its inception over 300 years ago. However, with more and more scientists communicating research findings in digital format in many different ways does the notion of the scientific ‘article’ itself remain relevant? Is the traditional research paper still the optimal format for the dissemination of the outputs of scientific research? If not, what are the alternatives? Video Killed the Methods Section More and more scientific findings are ‘born digital’. The traditional format of research article is being transformed into a multi-media digital object with linked content, video, audio, datasets and reader annotation. This raises new possibilities and challenges. How should these newer types of content be peer reviewed? Are researchers really able to make the most of them? Does a link to a dataset or image always provide sufficient context to enable informed re-use or validation?...
more...
- Daniel Mietchen
from Bookmarklet
Anybody planning on going there? They do not foresee live streaming but would allow microblogging.
- Daniel Mietchen
I'm not sure that I can go - its a long (and expensive) detour on the way home...
- Cameron Neylon
from twhirl
Can't help you with the "long" part but I'm working on the "expensive" one.
- Daniel Mietchen
Sounds like a great discussion! Sadly it is too far away for me. Does anyone know what the format is? It says that John Wilbanks will introduce the topic but doesn't say how the discussion will proceed from there.
- Lisa Green
Up to five people who commit to microblogging from the event will have free entry. Please sign up here or let me know via email.
- Daniel Mietchen
Looking like I might be able to make it after all. Woot!
- Cameron Neylon
from twhirl
Nice to see that you plan to go there, Fiona and Cameron!
- Daniel Mietchen
The format is a 20 min introduction by John Wilbanks, followed by a discussion (open to the floor for questions and comments.
- Karen Walshe
There is now a special FriendFeed room for the British Library's TalkScience series: http://friendfeed.com/british... .
- Daniel Mietchen
Microbloggers, please identify yourself at the registration.
- Daniel Mietchen
Hi there, Fiona - please use http://friendfeed.com/british... or (at Twitter) #BLTS .
- Daniel Mietchen
history and genealogy semantics wiki - http://hgs.wik.is/
Tom Morris liked this
beginnings of a wiki for history and genealogy ontology development
- Ed Summers
Other ways to read this feed:
