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TWiST Episode 10 - with Chris Tolles | This Week in Startups - http://www.facebook.com/posted...
go toles!
- tommy payne
Gadget Porn Alert: Palm Pre Calendar Demo (new) -sigh- http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Tyson Key, Rob Boek, Susan Beebe and 46 other people liked this
If the Pre works as fast in practice as it does in that demo--I am IN! I am sick of waiting on my (slow) iPhone all the time ( a geeky complaint perhaps--but true.)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
If the demo was of the data, I would have my doubts, but it's the calendar. I'm optimistic, since information is goign to be stored in the cloud as opposed to locally (like the iPhone). I can't WAIT.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
For me--the Calendar is a very big deal. Palm was always great at it--my biggest iPhone gripe has been the slow (local) calendar.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Did you see the accordion like motions? I like it more than uber scrolling like on the iPhone.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Mona, agreed--Palm totally 'gets' calendars--and the whole PDA thing in general.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Jeez, I should hope so - they've been in the business forever haha! RIM should be worried, not Apple.
- Mona Nomura
yeah, thats pretty retarded stuff. love the dragging on the calender. nice improvement over iphone. this thing is really well thought out...
- tommy payne
from twhirl
Dragging appointments on a palm device--a great feature that Palm has had for YEARS.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
LOVE that - makes life so much simpler. Right now I'm using Google calendar because I REFUSE to use MobileMe. GoogleCalendar (love Google) but the unintuitiveness makes me want to Hulk Smash my screen. And can you imagine? No more cables. No more synching. Omg, I am getting excited.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I love how ex-Apple employees are kicking Apple's ass in it's own game. These guys should start an Industrial Design school. They could teach the world a thing or two. Like I said earlier - http://is.gd/jF31 - Pre/Nova UI > iPhone UI.
- vijay
this really shows you what's the value of running multiple apps at the same time. The home button UI on the iphone sucks for multitasking.
- Davide D'Incau
Mona: when you say "since information is going to be stored in the cloud" where is it stored? At Palm? Your Google Calendar?
- Benjamin Golub
after watching this video it made me wonder why nobody has incorporated flight status into calendars? if we can bring in real time weather, why cant we check on flight status and make the necessary adjustments automatically?
- Chad Stoller
When that guy was typing "andr" I immediately thought of Android
- Alfredo
Benjamin: For the Pre, it would be Palm. @Chad - That is a very good question.
- Mona Nomura
While the Palm intrigues me, I'm more interested to see WebOS on a multitude of Palm devices. A Centro or Treo Pro-type device? A horizontal as opposed to portrait QWERTY? WebOS has some real potential behind it.
- Mike Nayyar
Exactly, Mike - I've been saying this from day one. I am excited for Nova, not inclusive to the Pre. If you look at Palm's job search site, they have tons of hardware related engineering opportunities - http://www.palm.com/us... I can't wait to see the next form factor!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
They could even put WebOS on a netbook and call it Foleo 2 ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, idea: Asus is releasing a touchscreen EeePC, right? Put WebOS on that...whoo nelly.
- Mike Nayyar
I love the palm pre and I found a great Palm Pre porn site at http://www.ipinkvisualpass.com
- Suzie Pie
I'm a fan of both the Pre and iPhone, but note that part of the Pre's performance comes from the significantly faster CPU and more system RAM. They're the same specs the new iPhone runs, so they can both be quite snappy. That said, AnandTech did some real benchmarks and the Pre needs some optimization. The iPhone outclasses a bit in web surfing, but a LOT when it comes to app startup times.
- David Chartier
Testing agency certifying new 4GB, 8GB, 16GB & 32GB iPhones? [U] - http://www.appleinsider.com/article...
i hope...
- tommy payne
Gnip Adds Facebook Data To Its API Mashup - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
go ERIC!
- tommy payne
Twitter Just Talking Real-Time Search, OneRiot Does It - http://digg.com/tech_ne...
"keeps breaking"
- tommy payne
I'm really enjoying hanging out here on FriendFeed this afternoon. I've been noticing a serious spike in subscriptions, seems as if lots of people are making the move.
I'm returning to San Francisco today. - http://www.dopplr.com/travell...
See more in my Dopplr profile.
- tommy payne
Is Palm Doomed If the Pre Bombs? - http://www.crunchgear.com/2009...
iphone 3.0 = palm Pre DOA
- tommy payne
I'm starting a trip to Aspen today. - http://www.dopplr.com/travell...
I'll be there from March 20th until March 29th. See more in my Dopplr profile.
- tommy payne
Now is your chance! Bitch about friendfeed here, or my use of friendfeed's likes (you gotta bitch over on friendfeed, though):
Dobromir Hadzhiev, Steven Perez, MK35540 and 14 other people liked this
Why "bitch" over FF? It is all good! :)
- Martin Lindeskog
Ahh, @dtalco is gonna earn a block on Twitter. I don't want anyone to feel they are being spammed.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, ignore it all. When you "like" a link, the traffic is amazing now because everyone re-tweets it. Keep on doing it. I've started sending my likes to Twitter because of this. You're helping more than hurting.
- Jesse Stay
My likes are at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... by the way. They automatically get pushed to my Twitter followers. Many love them, a few don't.
- Robert Scoble
But maybe my learning curve has been a bit long... ;) I have to explore "list", "rooms", etc.
- Martin Lindeskog
I'm just now getting into the whole Friendfeed thing. Only grip I have is learning to tweak it so it doesn't annoy people with double posts. I like the options for conversations and to see where info is coming from for other people I like to follow. As for your use of "likes" I find it useful to at least alert me to info and I never read it as you actually "like" it, but more as a gauge that something caught your interest. Info give and take!
- Nakeva Corothers
I see what you did there :)
- Johnny Worthington
Nothing to not like about FF, Control what and who you see. I use FF as a information funnel. I get to see what I want from whom I want all in one place.
- Pentaxfan
I have actually been enjoying the likes. The amazon kindle link is great. I just send a loaded kindle 2 to my father today. Now I need one of my own.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Agreed, your likes are quality.
- Mark Bao
They badly need a mobile friendly version of FriendFeed. Please! Also, chronological view as one of the options.
- Jim Bergman
from fftogo
FF amazing no bitch
- Thomas Power
Sure, toss some more feature fur on friend feed, but as of now I get about 24x the use and enjoyment from it than that fascinating but ultimately dull novelty twitter.
- Hayes Haugen
I think FF is really very good. The pushing the "likes" to Twitter thing, is just one example of why.
- John Collis
from Nambu
Robert, please stop pushing your likes to Twitter: they are annoying.
- Roberto Bonini
I thought the 'likes' going to twitter was a really cool idea and it was one of the first FF features that I implemented straight away.. I felt it provided some much-needed context to tweets. I had some of my friends there complain about it so I severed the FF>twitter link. I may go back to that.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
i like this thread aspect but the pure public access of twitter is more interesting..
- tommy payne
from twhirl
My back hurts, dammit.
- Josh Haley
dumb moment here but how do you get your FF 'likes' pushed to Twitter .. not saying I'll do as I don't see the value of it but curious as to how
- Steven Hodson
Steven: https://friendfeed.com/account... it's an option on this page.
- Robert Scoble
thanks Robert .. I missed that one somehow .. just for yucks I turned on the push 'Like' but if it gets to silly I'll turn it off again
- Steven Hodson
I dislike the use of FF to support positions opposite to mine. But this is a "free" country and who am I to argue. Unless its something that really pisses me off and I need to type a response. At least here I can do it without worry of other really caring what I say.
- Santa CW™
I generally like most of your likes. FriendFeed needs a mobile 'un-nested' version. I would like to see the names of twitter accounts when they are posted to FriendFeed.
- Chris Loft
There is only a "Best of Day/Week/Month" option on lists, I want them everywhere! Especially rooms and ppl to determine whether I should subscribe them or not.
- Marco Willemse
Fighting a bug. No, not a P1 bug. Jeez.
sorry bro. get better...
- tommy payne
from twhirl
Pro Cycling on Twitter: 48 People Who Aren’t Lance Armstrong - http://mashable.com/2009...
cool
- tommy payne
Reverting back to Safari 3 -- don't care about the fancy β4 UI tweaks. Just want a fast browsing experience with no crashes.
Jeff (the マクダジ of FF), Rubin Sfadj, 【无声胜有声】 and 14 other people liked this
I had to, too... didn't play well with older systems.
- Bob M. Montgomery
OMG there's a way to revert to Safari 3's UI on Safari 4!!!!!! http://observationpoint.org/article...
- Mona Nomura
That's why I switched back to K-Meleon. Didn't want to mess with something that just worked.
- Morton Fox
I kind of liked the look and feel, it just had significant display issues and crashy tendencies. I'm sure the final will be pretty cool.
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
I really don't care about the UI. Simple = best!
- Mona Nomura
Seriously? I've had zero crashes on Safari 4 and I was constantly force-quitting Safari 3.
- Louis Gray
Ya, I think our browsing habits are different because nightly build never crashes - wait, it'd crash with 10+ tabs and I launch a flash player from tv networks. (not hulu but like abc). I ca't even open more than five tabs on Firefox, more or less a flash site haha
- Mona Nomura
from IM
It's a huge resource hog.
- Steve Rubel
There's a way to strip the UI back to Safari 3's http://tr.im/gJZT
- Mona Nomura
It's using LESS memory here
- Bwana ☠
It crashed on you?
- Shevonne
Crashes, yes. Not a fan.
- Mona Nomura
On my Macbook Safari uses less memory than before and doesn't crash until now.
- Waldemar Schott
Afraid to check it out on my Mac now. On the PC, it is working great.
- Shevonne
Umm.... party's over?!
- Susan Beebe
Don't be afraid - it might work for you. Everyone's browsing habits are different. ;)
- Mona Nomura
@Mona I scare my computers how many damn windows I always have open. haha
- Shevonne
Not noticing anything different in terms of surfing speed with the beta, meh going back to ff.
- adolfo foronda
Mine crashes only when I use... wait for it...wait for it... FLASH!
- Bwana ☠
Safari 3 for me was neither fast nor crash-free. So I don't care about the UI upgrade. If it's improved, it's improved.
- Fleagle
Before you all start bashing safari 4 like there is no tomorrow, may I remind that it is beta software. You can bet your sorry ass it will crash or be unstable /rant out
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Mine hasn't crashed yet on three machines...
- Drew Lucas
Jealous - maybe it's mine.
- Mona Nomura
wouldn't load logged in gmail for my domain... FAIL (yeah, know its beta, thats why i'm just sayin')
- tommy payne
from twhirl
yeah strange Momo, no crashes on mine yet either
- Zee.
No fair :( But still, the UI is way overdone (for me) I just want speed!
- Mona Nomura
It's Even Worse For Windows!
- nfan12
from Alert Thingy
I turned off Gears and now it load gmail fine... FYI
- Drew Lucas
Thanks for the update, Drew -- Safari 4 page warned users to uninstall all plugins/extras. My Safari is bone stock, btw.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
So far so good, no crashes, low resource usage. I miss 1Password terribly though... oh well, I still have Firefox.
- Ryan
I've been running it all day -- so far so good. The only hiccup I ran into was using Microsoft Live Mail -- clicking on a message resulted in no action.
- Victor Solanoy
No problems so far. I do miss Firefox though.
- Kate Foy
Safari 4 crashes on me. Then, tried to put Safari 3 back on, and it tells me that I can't because a newer version is installed on that drive. It's telling me this after I've already uninstalled the newer version. I'm not liking Apple right now. Are they secretly working for Mozilla or something? Because they've convinced me to go back to Camino,
- Fleagle
Fleagle, run the Safari 4 uninstaller to revert back to Safari 3
- Bwana ☠
works very well on my MacBook-no crashes so far.. BUT.. can't get Gears working on it (for offline Gmail) - so back to 3 since FireFox is terribly slower when offline gmail is enabled
- Naor Mark
@Steve Rubel compared to what? I had to search to find Safari in my process viewer. Firefox is almost always at the top when sorted by CPU.
- gfurry
Not needing to revert back coz Firefox is still treating me just fine :)
- Patrick Jordan
I haven't had any crashes yet but it definitely has problems running certain web apps.
- Brandon Titus
Bwana. I tried to run the Safari 4 uninstaller and the it will not install in order to uninstall.
- Fleagle
Bobby Jindal Response Panned By Pundits, Republicans And Democrats Alike - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009...
MVB (Grinch of FF) liked this
"After watching Jindal," one Democratic strategist emailed, "I'd pay a lot of money to be back watching a Palin speech."
- Kev
from Bookmarklet
Anyone know where I can find a video of it? I forgot about the Opposition Response after the speech and tuned into the Office re-runs.
- Mark Trapp
Never mind, found it: http://blip.tv/file/1812286
- Mark Trapp
So the GOP are pinning their collective futures on Jindal and Palin? Yeah, good luck with that...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
i sure hope that the DOP pins their hopes on Palin... unless obama enters a vegitative state, it'll look like a harvard lawyer debating a barely literate grade schooler... wait... wait... that about the state of it now...
- tommy payne
from twhirl
What a weird tone Jindal took in his response. Like he was giving the response to a classroom of first graders.
- Mark Trapp
Safari 4's Introduction A Clear Salvo In the New Chrome Wars - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
Mike Elliott, LouCypher, Ryan Petty and 6 other people liked this
Begun, the Chrome Wars has...
- Ben Jackson
from twhirl
To be fair, I wasn't the first to call it the Chrome Wars, as Google points out, going back to September: http://www.google.com/search...&
- Louis Gray
good point. they are probably pretty competitive from a tech perspective (both based on webkit i believe)
- tommy payne
from twhirl
Since Chrome was released, my position has been that Google doesn't need to have the most market share to win. All they need is to continue to push web standards and keep the web open, so that their other products will function well. Safari and others that use WebKit and other Chrome-like technologies will only help in that battle.
- LogEx
Great read, good job Louis, you got great articles.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Why Chrome Wars and not just browser wars? Chrome has 1% of the market if one is being charitable - and is essentially a non-entity in any web developers mind.
- felix
New Twitter movement: unfollow everyone. Discuss why or why not this is a good thing:
Lisa, David, carl morris and 140 other people liked this
@loic started this with a script he had built. He unfollowed everyone yesterday and now only is following 22 people.
- Robert Scoble
@loic told me it feels like he took a bath.
- Robert Scoble
@loic says that having a small number of people he intimately follows lets him build real relationships online again.
- Robert Scoble
i just think people shouldnt take all of this so seriously.
- Terry O'Fee
Is there a way to do this (as in mass deletion option?) Thanks.
- hawk12online
@loic says that if you try to follow thousands of people there's no way to see all the tweets. That is true. If I refresh Twitter.com as fast as I can I can't see all the Tweets coming into my account.
- Robert Scoble
I have been actively unfollowing--not everyone--but anyone that seems not directly relevant or familiar to me on some level. Twitter has become a far richer experience since employing this technique
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Well how will you will you filter than or get to the things you like? A group of people you follow is in my experience one of the best information filters you can have.
- rick
I'm now following just over 100 people anyway
- VIVANO
there is more than one way to do twitter. both the @loic and @scobleizer way are right.
- Peggy Dolane
Oh, I'm sure it's an annoying mess with about 400 items per minute that mean absolutely nothing to you
- Dorian Muthig
Are you gonna unfollow everyone too, Robert?
- Reuben Thum
i have some really good friends i talk to on a regular basis. some i have conversations with. some proper celebrities because i cant help myself. the rest i suss out. if all they can talk about is ff and twitter, i may unfollow myself.
- Terry O'Fee
@loic and I see that there's something new happening. First, search like http://search.twitter.com is totally changing our inbound. Second, using services like friendfeed lets you group and manage large numbers of followers, so you'll still have the inbound, especially as more and more people join both friendfeed and Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
instead of unfollowing, I use FriendFeed to filter/group the tweeters according to their priority for me
- Alexander Benker
I agree Robert- following folks sometimes can be a total waste of time and waste of twitter. Quality over quantity seems to be the new movement of late and I have to agree fro the most part-I am tired of getting spammed and DMed by spam which we all have to delete. But I have always followed quality- and that is why I am responding to your tweet dude.
- DougFirebaugh
Sure when you have the amount of followers that you do and they will just listen it makes sense. But not for the average user of twitter. It's not about just being followed. I think you may have lost touch with the whole thing. You two are in the top 2%. Twitter is a completely different user experience than the other 98%.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
So are we calling this Follower Bankruptcy?
- Mike Doeff
This one of the reasons to have track, so you can follow your real friends and still discover new people
- Christian Burns
Robert, Twitter is a river of 140 char messages. Dive in when you feel like taking a bath. Get out when you had enough. Loic and you should stop whining about the drawbacks after you start following thousands of people ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
let's see robert unfollow everyone in friendfeed too. hah, that'll be the day.
- Terry O'Fee
Reuben: I haven't decided to yet, but @loic sure makes a good case for it.
- Robert Scoble
IMO, it's not a great idea. People will see this as a negative action toward them and unfollow you. If everybody were to unfollow everybody they know, twitter would become a meaningless array of nothingness. "If it ain't broke, don't unfollow it."
- Zerhynn
I have never bought into the mass followers approach and find that I have to find at least 2 or 3 tweets interesting within a page or two, in anybody I would choose to follow. I am interested in connection with people with similar interests and I don't think it makes sense to just build up volume.
- Kirti Vashee
There's certainly a buzz around this, we just talked about it on our podcast tonight. What sucks about unfollowing is losing the news-stream of information you're trying to capture--stuff you may not have notice/found. Maybe Twitter should implement groups, a'la tweetdeck?
- Paul Salzman
Although I do agree that you do not need to follow thousands of people.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
interesting concept - guess that is what I use tweetdeck, friendfeed and socialmedian for to allow me to focus on issues because I carefully selected the people I follow after reviewing their sites I see merit in unfollowing everyone just as I see in using third party apps - it depends on the individuals preferences
- Lionel Spearman
It's both good and bad. For one if your reduce the number of people you follow to a minimalistic amount you can build richer and more vibrant relationships with the select few. The bad however is that your world view is now much smaller than what it would have been. I'm actually thinking about unfollowing a mass of people to get back into a manageable range where I can read all of there tweets and then search for anything else.
- Jimminy Fuller
Why is it a new movement when SM gurus start doing it? I follow those that have similar interest or to learn different point of views. I have no goal to have the most followers or the best twitter grade. Twitter is about the relationships you build. Friends are relationships that I have built over years of trust and loyalty.
- Kyle
I would consider it, but I would have trouble shutting out that many. I am following 1000 and being followed by 1500
- Christian Burns
Having just decided to join the follow you movement I think unfollowing everyone is an unfriendly move, why not make a group for the 22 friends you really want to follow:)
- Suzie Cheel
Then there are some who follow then unfollow and follow again. lol.
- Carolyn Chan
One problem with not following everyone: only people you are following can send you direct messages on Twitter. That's one thing that's keeping me from running @loic's script. @loic points out, though, that most of my DM's are now spam. He's right.
- Robert Scoble
I've been speaking about that for a weeks, and applying it, glad it's finally trickling to the a-listers.
- Richard A.
So the question is, when will FF get DMs?
- Christian Burns
you still have email, robert :P
- Terry O'Fee
Not sure I agree. Even with a small "following" I get real nuggets via DMs. Besides - it is rude to mass unfollow :)
- Rob La Gesse
I kind of wish I could limit my follows to 150
- Christian Burns
I have been thinking about this a lot. Recently I blogged about how opening up my Facebook to everyone who wanted to connect was not really resulting in meaningful relationships. We don't have the time to be engaged with that many people. We can put content out and discuss when they respond, but to actually use the medium in the way I used to when I had just a couple friends on there is no longer possible with so many people. Likewise, with Twitter.
- AV Flox
I won't be sad or hurt if @Scobleizer unfollows me. Frankly, not all my tweets are that relevant to the guy. Just so long as he checks his @replies and answers me every blue moon, that still falls in the category of a good relationship on Twitter. @shelisrael has an unfollow/follow as you go motto described on his blog, it makes sense to me.
- Phillip
It was my script. I'm the new guy at seesmic. I wrote it for loic today. if anyone wants it, I've got it. kick this movement into high stream. If you look at the first person in loic's follow list, its me now :-)
- Zac Bowling
But Robert, I thought you couldn't check your DM's? I remember seeing quite a few tweets from you saying "DON'T DM ME - EMAIL ME INSTEAD" etc.
- Brandon LeBlanc
from twhirl
What a load of BS. Do the math.
- Stephen Grant-Jones
Since I run much smaller number that Loic & Robert, my systematic subtractive technique works--if I had thousands of spamming DM--I would run Loic's script.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Brandon: I tried getting people to not send me DMs. Doesn't work. People were trying to do business with them (and still are). It's probably the single reason why I won't run the script.
- Robert Scoble
I love the spontaneity and surprise of many friends. I would never give it up. I discover things every day that delight me.
- John Kremer
Besides, if I really need to send Scoble a DM I can just call his Cell phone
- Christian Burns
A lot of the conversations that are still happening are interesting but the relationships built are no longer as close as they were when I had only a couple of followers. It's funny that you tweeted about only having 150 followers on Friendfeed and that's more conducive to quality relationships. Isn't 150 the Dunbar number? Loic's movement is worth reflecting on. I've been making use of Tweetdeck again to scale down the groups. It's helped but Loic's solution is seductive.
- AV Flox
This can be very short sighted. A great way to send the message, I don't want your business or money.
- Sylvia Webb
it would almost be a good idea except for one thing - @reply can only be seen by followers. It would be great if this were not the case, and I can see the spam potential if it were, but limiting @reply to followers, if you;re not following anyone, means everyone is in a big room shouting over each other instead of conversing.
- Brian Benz
New craze for newbies to twitter, following a small number of people and filter the rest for useful conversations. Quantity is not quality!
- Carl Plant
People that I follow on Twitter, for the most part, aren't "friends" in any normal sense of the word. Most of them are unaware of my existence. I tend to selectively follow (previewing someone's stream before following) and actively unfollow (usually when I see a page full of "Welcome, @one" and "Welcome, @two" messages).
- Mistletoe Glen
i'm far more suspicious of those following me than i'm concerned about who I follow. I'm always looking to prune my Twitter follows and -- what can I say -- it's hard... lots of people in my twitterfeed tend to add value more often than not!
- Andy Sternberg
Also, does this approach not create a new A-list in a different place?
- Brian Benz
Just goes to prove that Steve Gillmor is always right, eventually you will see it his way :)
- Christian Burns
Do what works for you. If it stops working for you then make a change. I don't think there is any reason for debate here. To each his/her own.
- Katherine Druckman
@Robert it isn't possbile to say to people not to use DM. And if you feel like you should build up such a large crowd you follow or that follow you then accept the consequences. You get value because it lets you be an information hub and provides you overall sex appeal in the tech community. In return you will have to accept that people try to get access to you to get back some of that value for themselves or their products.
- Alexander van Elsas
if it ain't broke. don't fix it. i wouldn't unfollow everyone but i do find myself filtering more. being open and keeping channels 2 way has allowed me to meet some amazing contacts interested in doing business in China. to unfollow people would be to cut off these channels for me. a lot of these contacts are via DM. everyone's got a different way of using twitter.
- Christine Lu
Brian: why? Not sure what you're getting at there.
- Robert Scoble
It's not necessary to see all the tweets. You can use Tweetdeck and other services to make sure you don't miss your favorites. I still love the nuggets I discover -- like this post -- that I would not discover if I stopped following so many people.
- John Kremer
I can make it easy for @loic. Nuke the account and start over following the 22 people.
- Christian Anderson
Am I wrong to say that if you use Twitter search @yourusername you can't see @replies from people NOT following you? I tried it and it seems to work for me.
- Phillip
Christine: it's all broken, it's just that I have gotten used to routing around the fail whales and the stream flowing through Tweetdeck. I "media snack" and just sample from the stream flowing by. It doesn't bother me too much either way. I do find that friendfeed is a far better place and it's great to see more and more people discovering that.
- Robert Scoble
Phillip: bing! Oh, by the way, I'm following everyone on this thread. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Geez, Loic is like the drama queen of the web.
- Orli Yakuel
Christian: actually that's probably what I would do if I was tired of a high-flow account: just start a new account with only a few friends and lock down the followers. Maybe that's the solution for true addicts like me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm unfollowing everyone on twitter and friendfeed who I don't know personally or isn't local. Sorry peeps, Twitter and friendfeed works best like that. Once I get everything clean, feel free to let me know you're still following me and I'll follow back.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Orli: oh, if you can't have some drama what fun is social media? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I have a simple, less radical set of rules: 1) use groups, 2) un-follow anyone who spams you with direct messages and 3) move questions/conversations to friendfeed.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Robert, stay as you are, please.
- Orli Yakuel
Orli: don't worry, I'll always follow you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I too use FriendFeed's and TweetDeck's group functions to prioritize the tweets that comes in from my followees.
- Vinko
52 pages, 1025 people I follow on twitter. Each one was added by me for a reason. No auto-follow. First person ever followed was Jason Calacanis over two years agao.
- Christian Burns
My twitter name is @infoliberation. I find that Twitter is short and sweet and Friendfeed is for a much more robust conversation. I love the marriage of the two. I think Friendfeed is helped greatly by Twitter's jumping off point. What else can you say to that?
- Phillip
damn...right when my followership just started taking off. :-(
- Jason Salas
from IM
I agree with Katherine, to each his own. I've got just a wee 2000 followers, but enjoy popping in to respond to whatever random tweet catches my eye or relevant tweets I've found through saved topic searches. Hey, I even got a new client today - so I'm doing just fine with how things are now.
- Cheryl Allin
please people, let's try for tomorrow for a day on this where we dont talk about twitter or friendfeed. there's other stuff to talk about...
- Terry O'Fee
Robert, come on... this is not what I'm worried about. I think that you really know most of your friends, or for at least trying to communicate with people you don't know. With Twitter you get to know new friends & content based on the same taste/interests - to follow only people you know, is like taking two steps back. (and thanks for following me!)
- Orli Yakuel
Not sure why you would need to unfollow everyone to keep track of what your important people tweet. Just form a group of high-profile folks in TweetDeck and it'll do the same thing, plus you can still follow everyone else for when you want to jump in the stream.
- Cory OBrien
i just unfollowed a couple of folks, it's true, we can live without twitter,facebook and friendfeed. How about for lent we give up facebook, twitter and friendfeed?
- Dh'ennis Dömingö
Robert - Limiting followers = limiting DMs and replies and tweets you can see from others - In Loic's example 22 invitees (followers) that get to have a seat at the table while the rest of us can watch the action passively. TO me this would be as exciting as C-Span. :)
- Brian Benz
I cannot fathom following hundreds of people. I was in the 90s a couple of weeks ago so I pruned my list down to 78. Even that seems high but I couldn't go lower. I'm slow to follow folks, on Twitter & FF, because I'd rather follow a small group of folks I've a genuine connection with than a ton of folks I only have a vague sense about. Some folks tell me I'm doing social media wrong but I think that's silly. For me, social media is all about fun so what need have I of 1000s of followers?
- ♥patricia♥
I think everyone will find their own Twitter preferences. I'm following 606 right now. In a week or two I may clean out some of the driftwood - people who've gone silent or have switched to topics that aren't interesting, but then I'll add some new folks to make up for it. I don't catch every Tweet, but the stream keeps running. So long as it's populated with interesting folk, the Tweets that I do catch are more likely to be interesting as well.
- Heidi Cool
Orli: I've decided that @loic is wrong. But he's also right. Twitter, you see, is really broken for interacting with large numbers of people. Friendfeed is much better.
- Robert Scoble
I think Loic let things get out of control. Robert, considering how many followers you have, you seem to be able to manage your account better than anybody. If your truly are looking for a quality experience, you have to decide what works for you. I always thought it was about quality not quantity:-)
- Michael Fidler
@loic I think its cool that you rebooted who you follow
- Christian Burns
On Pownce I used to try to keep track of all posts (and followed fewer people) but Pownce was more indepth. On Twitter one can glean a lot from just a small percentage of what's there.
- Heidi Cool
Robert, with that I agree: FriendFeed is better for long and real conversations.
- Orli Yakuel
I agree groups in tweetdeck help you filter very well without missing some occasional random tweets. keeping up with your @replies is more critical than every single tweet.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Robert - you should unfollow everyone and see what happens. make sure that script stores everyone you are following in a db in case you want to re-follow after the test.
- Gerard
While I didn't unfollow everyone, I cut out a lot of who I was following. Might be rude, but it's not meant to be that way. i no longer have the time to follow so many people.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Gerard: it would cause too many messages to fly around. People get their feelings hurt if someone unfollows them.
- Robert Scoble
If I unfollow people, then I'd be digitally talking to myself. I can do that IRL
- Outsanity
My feelings wouldn't be hurt - I'd doubt if I'd even realize it - that's not what I'm using Twitter for - just silly to me.
- Cheryl Allin
Outsanity: that's not true. Who you are following is your inbound. You can get inbound other places, like http://search.twitter.com or http://www.twittervision.com
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is what you want it to be. That's one of the fascinating things. My own view of it has changed a dozen times since I started. Everyone has their own philosophy about how to use it, and they are all valid. As for me, I'm simply not going to follow anybody who doesn't follow me, and I will follow anybody (as long as they are real) I just unfollowed loic. The World is flat. Will I miss out? Perhaps, but if I want to know what the 'important' people are thinking I can just go to their sites.
- Stephen Pickering
Robert: You're currently "following" 69,188 people on Twitter. If one of those people has their feelings hurt because you unfollow them and they no longer have 1/70,000th of your attention, they have a screw loose.
- Ken Sheppardson
Twhirl gives you inbound with saved searches, each search a tab stream. I love it. Create a saved search for keyword 'RT' and see what's hot or a saved search like 'chrisbrogan' and follow him and all who @ him.
- Cheryl Allin
I say bite the bullet, clear things out, add some searches in Tweetdeck or one of the "track" services, and follow people manually as your real relationships warrant. You can alway run a script to just follow everybody later if you miss the noise.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: I unfollowed according to three criteria 1. Does the person follow more than a thousand 2. Does the person respond 3. does the person tweet links and RT rather than content, the fourth is whether you're unlucky enough to tweet when I'm in unfollow mode. Result: A more social timeline.
- Richard A.
Sounds like Loic needs to fix Twhirl to manage his followers better. He doesn't have to pay attention to every single one, but he does need a way to build relationships with those he wants to. Twhirl is horrible at this.
- Jesse Stay
@Richard Azia: I couldn't have agreed with you more on your criteria.
- Reuben Thum
@Jesse Stay, I use twhirl and it's fine for what I do, but that's because I culled my follow list removing all those that aren't active conversationalists.
- Richard A.
Reuben, My timeline is far more fun now as a result :-). Took a few experiments to find the right method though.
- Richard A.
@Richard Azia: I did the same thing like you did, too. Instead of auto following people blindly, I use an auto follow app, but manually unfollow spammers and users based on similar criteria you've mentioned.
- Reuben Thum
At a certain point if you had autofollow on you have no choice but to start over because a) you can follow the number of tweets and b) you will stress the Twitter servers out.
- Jason Calacanis
Reuben. I don't use auto follow, For me to follow someone new I want to see how converstional they are first. That's when I might consider them on twitter.
- Richard A.
Robert: Is this the flip side of what Jason and Michael were taking you to task on a few weeks back on GG? Is it time to do more meaningful *listening*?
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: I 'think' I was the first person with over 20k followers to do this. Though in my case, I totally reset my account - zero following / zero followers. http://jimsmarketingblog.com/2009... it has been a universally great experience to me and massively increased the value of Twitter to me.
- Jim Connolly
Ken: yes, I think this has a big part to do with addiction too. You keep trying to follow more and more until you snap.
- Robert Scoble
An interesting idea, as I have found I have followers but a very select few who actually respond regularly, I wonder if it is matter of depersonalization, losing what it once represented as a means to an end. Certainly it could be a good idea, but many of those who I have found were those who had spoke on something of interest in the wide swath of sea that is twitter. So I will consider it, but am not sure if there will be follow through anytime soon. Though I guess it would depend also on how effective.
- Ray Marr aka Knatchwa
As someone has probably already pointed out in a more eloquent fashion, Loic's company makes a Twitter client. Surely he should build tools into that client to make the overload problem more manageable and certainly not try to set a trend of "hey it's cool to unfollow lots of people now". That sort of sends the wrong message to people about your company and it's thinking.
- Pete Gilbert
I don’t see how this is even an idea to be considered. If we unfollow everybody and everybody else unfollows the rest, then Twitter will become a very lonely place. Boring place with no use what so ever… I strongly disagree with this.
- Spyros Papaspyropoulos
agreed @peter, it's nonsense, companywise, to promote that kind of message when you try to spread your twitter tool.Anyway, I think it's more a trend problem, the 2009 fashion is to unfollow everyone and @loic cannot do unfashioned thing because this is how he builds his reputation and his company notoriety.Dommage...
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
There is no point being on twitter if your purpose is to broadcast. For broadcasting blogs and other platforms are more interesting. If you take dialogue away from twitter you undermine the most active members of the community because they will feel people are using the site too passively. Why do you think social networks fail, lack of involvment. At least by reducing the number of people you follow you increase engagement on a per person basis. It becomes personal once more.
- Richard A.
It's beginning to feel like the @1938media technique--in reverse--sans personality shift. Loic will now certainly be the topic of many blog posts in the next day or two.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Spyros: totally wrong. We'd still be here at friendfeed and http://search.twitter.com would still show us other people.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert and what is the criteria to detect people in such a huge stream? Come on, this is a network thing: you follow someone because someone else you share interest with has followed him, much more than picking up in twitter "all" stream...
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
Jean: I am very adept at scrolling through a huge list of names and telling you something about most of them. Friendfeed is where I spend most of my time, though.
- Robert Scoble
GREAT idea Loic, way to prove your software really can't handle the numbers. This is a weird move from a very smart man.
- Jim Connolly
Understand, Robert, but I think that setting up filters (like you did) is a better way than unfollowing people, which seems to be a "2009 trend" with no real reason, even more when you promote a twitter tool.You barely say "my tool suck, so I can't do anything but unfollow you'.Bad move, IMO.
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
I think Loic displayed a certain degree of immaturity in handling twitter as a tool. It is as overdone to follow everyone as it is to unfollow radically. Inspired by the debate, I felt a bit like Moses today ( ;-) ), and subsequently assembled bloggi's Ten Commandments of Twitter: http://bit.ly/ten-commandments
- Mark Jacobs
Jean: agreed. I like friendfeed as an answer a lot more. Just open up a list and put the people you want to really follow in there and keep everyone else out.
- Robert Scoble
If everybody unfollows everybody else then there is no twitter
- Mark Fletcher
@yann I'm also french and I don't understand too.
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
As Twitter's user numbers have INCREASED it's usability (to me) has DECREASED. Is it just me?
- Jim Connolly
I can understand Loic's reasons, but I don't agree with it. I don't personally know 95% of the people I follow on twitter. It is however neither relevant nor important for that to be a pre-requisite to starting an interesting conversation. I don't auto follow people and i only pay attention to whoever I want to irrespective of the number of people i am subscribed to. Moreover, a large number of people have occasional sparks of interestingness. So if one can learn to ignore; the more the better.
- Parth Awasthi
@Jim_Connolly It is the old law of decreasing returns when new media trivialize. But usually, I am pretty untouched by it since (having been around since February 2007 in twitter) I only follow some 350 people to this day. So I get a good result from my circle of followees. Also, I try to give by helping out new twitter users who have questions.
- Mark Jacobs
@Scoble have you unfollowed everyone?
- Waldemar Schott
@Parth_Awasthi I think, lioc created a big mess by first auto following, and now seeing no other way out than to unfollow. Somehow, it makes me giggle a bit :-)
- Mark Jacobs
You guys have way too much free time on your hands with this nonsense.
- Wayne Schulz
Too much drama. It's funny how many social networks bemoan lack of users and with Twitter, the opposite problem is the subject of complaints - "there's too many bots and DMs! oh my!" Bleh.
- Eric Gonzalez
I really don't share opinion about Loic putting this on a personal way. This is a strategy mistake (company-wise), a trend mistake (2009-ish fashion)...But not a big head problem. Loic had thousands reasons to have a huge head issue before and did not, so I don't see why it would be the case now
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
Robert Scoble: What about the people that are using only Twitter? What about the ones that don't use FriendFeed? Ok, we might be crazy having many many accounts on most of all social platforms, but other only use one or two. By unfollowing everyone, there is no Twitter as Mark Fletcher said.
- Spyros Papaspyropoulos
I'd agree with someone earlier Loic wants to keep his followers but follow less bet he wouldn't have started that policy at the beginning otherwise he would have a few k followers at most! If he had real balls then he would delete his account like @jimconnolly did and start fresh but he wont as he still wants to 'use' the big following he has, talk about one way!
- roger byrne
don't have to start unfollowing anyone as i didn't start following everyone in the first place.. never really understood the auto-following of twitterers i started following.. you've got twittersearch to find people with common interests..
- Johannan Edelman
@scobleizer @loic So much as issues matter, people also matter. Unfollowing people because there is an alternative way to search for issues or interests is limiting the scope to generate them in the first place. Following more people signals belongingness and interests or issues heard. On the other hand, small followings signals selfishness and is the same as 'greed is good'.
- Moses Kpetigo
Interesting: so would @loic also encourage all his followers to stop following him? so he could stick with his few twitter fellows? If I remember, he was the one all about numbers and authority. It seems like, once you've reached enough, you're safe ppl will follow you no matter what, you have good "authority" and then you can unfollow all the mass and become a Twitter snob? It sounds too much like a strategy to me. In which he succeed, no doubt. Will he lose credibility? I wonder.
- May
I like Robert's snack analogy: I consider Twitter as a news source roughly tuned to my general interests via who I decided to follow. In this respect I could follow lots of people, since it makes sure that each time I go to Twitter, I will find something interesting to me. I know I won't be able to read everything, but I don't care, it's just like in a book store I know I can't read all the books, but I like to sample in the sci-fi shelves
- Antoine Bertier
@loic is becoming way too elitist lately. i didn't hear him complaining when he was following thousands of people to promote seesmic!
- Alensa
@antoine Exactly right imho most have never claimed and quite the opposite actually specified they don't/can't read every tweet but when they are on they are on and dip into the party! Loics party just got real small! ;)
- roger byrne
while search.twitter.com is useful, twitter puts you on the front of the wave not searching to catch up afterwards
- Mark Parssey
There are Wars currently on this planet, half of people dont have anything to eat, drink, there is a global economic crisis, but all that is bullshit compare to Twitter... Right? GrRRRrRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Didier Lahely
All in all, Twitter and FriendFeed are really nothing more than a Yahoo chatroom. Way too much noise and too many people that need to get over themselves.
- Charles Baldwin
i constantly wonder how you keep up with sooooo many followers. doesn't it drive you nuts????
- Francisco Kemeny
My twitterverse contains people I pay attention to, people that I have so I can search and some that I just follow for a moment and then remove.
- Josef Finsel
from twhirl
Human attention spans (and time) are limited. Twitter and IMing are a large 'experiment' , still a work in progress--the jury is out!
- JimmyJet
If you have so many followers that you have to unfollow because you didn't follow based on what the people were saying, but instead followed to up your "network", then Twitter probably isn't the venue for you. Check out MySpace and do that...
- Nicki Laycoax
*yawn* what's new here? nothing. @fidlr and others started the twexpire type experiments (look up the script if you care) long ago; not loic or scoble. i specified the #egosphere vs. #cognosphere usage scenarios long ago. @JimmyJet and @DidierLahely sum it up well. In another sense, all of this is IRC and Usenet for dummies.
- michael silverton
it's a good exercise to see how much you really miss the tweets of those you unfollow. And also see how many of them will remain followers after you unfollow.
- Mihai Secasiu
I'd argue that having 23k followers is 'doing it wrong' & you should unfollow and start over. I follow 329 right now and the signal-to-noise ratio is manageable. It's a mix of people I know intimately, casually and professionally, and that's where I have the conversations and relationship-building. Next is a handful of news and interesting/high # of followers people. Then, a few individuals with similar numbers as me I found interesting, which has allowed for Twitter-specific relationship-building.
- Laura Hall
I agree with @Johannan Edelman I have never used the autofollow function and have felt those I do follow provide value to me.
- Jill Howard Allen
As an additional note, if I were to increase my activity and wanted to manage those relationships, I'd start doing filtered lists.
- Laura Hall
Groups/filteting seems to be a more sensible and positive sltuion to the "too many followers" problem. eh.
- Doug Haslam
from twhirl
It's nice that people find what works for them, but there is no "doin' it wrong" There is only "doin it with clue" or "doin it clueless" ... if one doesn't know WHY one is doin' it, no life coach, guru, or A-lister can help. Form your own experiments and execute them. You need no approval or permission from any seeming authority figure. Look up #cognosophere and #egosophere if you care. P.S. PeopleBrowsr breaks ALL these assumptions; it's a completely new kind of literacy beyond Twitter and Friendfeed.
- michael silverton
I guess I just like to see what people are up to. Isn't that what it was all about before the marketing types took over? Now it's about "getting value" and "managing relationships". I joined so I could tell people what I was having for lunch.
- Shawn Farner
I like being in your Twitter stream, I like the idea that thought leaders and influential people like yourself occasionally get to read my updates. You know, once in a blue moon I come up with a great idea, and it's cool to know that in turn this might just inspire Scoble, or Fry for that matter, too.
- Terje Fjelde
On the other hand I hate reading about strangers "spending the entire day in bed" or "being bored," so I only follow people who add quality updates on my own account
- Terje Fjelde
the main issue comes from the fact Twitter does not help users follow and decide efficiently on new followers. Robert if you are interested we have created a new service called Topify.com. if you are interested i ll drop you an invite
- Ouriel Ohayon
Twitter has provide me a way to build a network of people and experts very quickly in fields where I previously did not have contacts or experience. To blanket unfollow would be like cutting my nose off in spite of my face.
- Stephen Terlizzi
How will this help...what will it do?
- John Flynn
ouriel: sure, send it to scobleizer@gmail.com
- Robert Scoble
robert: you ll get it in a few days, just after we migrated servers. i am sure you ll love it :)
- Ouriel Ohayon
That's not new. Loic didn't start a trend. I've only bee using these services since May and I've done it on several occasions and not just on Twitter. Several people have.
- Admiral Anika
I did that for a while on my first (now private/personal) account, and found myself going to 5-6 follower's Twitter pages to read the news (ala RSS reader days) a couple of times a day. Now that I have a public account, I creeped up to 75-100 again but am consciously rotating folks in and out of my "Top 50." My Twitterstream is like a living, breathing being, I guess! But by intensely following different people at different times, I learn something new and can move on. It's quality, not quantity.
- Carolyn
Robert - the idea of reducing who you actively follow and relying more on search notifications is the premise of this post: "2009 Prediction: As Social Connections Reduce, Keyword Tracking Increases" http://bit.ly/hfQq
- Hutch Carpenter
My .02 I do wish twitter had an "inbox" feature so I could divide up those I follow into categories and then read tweets as I like. I know tweetdeck does this but I don't like having to rely on two pieces of software to make it work. Feeding people into my rss reader would take forever. The FriendFeed model of being able to categorize people as you friend them is perfect. Then you can check up on a particular category of people anytime you like. (i.e. politicians, Social Media nuts, writers, etc)
- Sid Burgess
I think a lot of the "unfollowing" noise is reaction to those who are gaming their follower counts on Twitter. It's upset the numerical dominance of the traditional A-listers, who were already stinging from the arrival of *real* celebrities to the service. So now there's a swing back to exclusivity. I'm not sure Loic is wrong, though: I'm planning on significantly downsizing who I follow on FriendFeed. This format seems more suitable for conversation. Twitter is fine for a big, noisy stream.
- Chris Baskind
Chris: on friendfeed just stick the people you want to rarely follow into a list, or do what I did: put the people you REALLY want to follow into a list and read that everyday. That way you'll still have the massive inflows somewhere else when you want those too.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: there is something to that, by the way. But you've only touched the surface of the breakage that happened the past month. Go deeper there and you will find the truth.
- Robert Scoble
Chris - Lists have answered this quandary for me. The bacon memes are fun, but I didn't want them filling up my main feed. And during the day, I have a professional need to focus on the world of e2.0. Lists really do serve the purpose Loic set out to accomplish.
- Hutch Carpenter
unfollow everyone on twitter, FB and every other social network. UK scientists sez that these SN sites actually rewires the nueural network within the brain and thereby making an individual more selfish and self centered. Thus cause pyschological damage to themselves.. :(- (p.s Link will follow- I just heard it this AM on FM while communting to work !!)
- Peter Dawson
You have to be damn special for me to follow you, without you following me, and I try to only follow people with a near 1:1 ratio. There are of course, exception. Sarah Crisman unfollowed me one day, I never found out why, but I didn't drop her cause I like her content.
- Matthew DeVries
Robert: I know that's an oversimplification. There are a number of factors upsetting the apple cart on Twitter, and not all of them are petty or nefarious.
- Chris Baskind
Chris: even the petty ones are deeper if you dig beyond the ego damage.
- Robert Scoble
Bad thing, and if you do it, you will confirm that you A-listers only exploited social media as your broadcasting tool for your own political agenda and not as a true conversation.
- Prokofy Neva
I got over the ego damage quickly cause # of followers never did matter. But what remains? Twitter has harmed its community. This is an easy mistake to make and it's one that comes out of @ev and @biz's arrogance. They rarely use their own tools, by the way. Look at @ev's account and tell me he's really a great Twitterer that talks with tons of people. He does not.
- Robert Scoble
What's even funnier is that the guy who actually came up with the idea for Twitter, @noah, is not one of the suggested followers while other people on the team are. I should write a book about how funny this all is.
- Robert Scoble
@loic seems to have quit over inane DM spam thanking for following, etc. Is there no way to stop automated use of the tools?
- Prokofy Neva
Prokofy: that's not really a good reason to follow everyone. But there are plenty of other good reasons, so I keep doing it. @Ryo you're off the rails. Get back on track. You're close to the track, but not on it.
- Robert Scoble
BS meme! the unfollowers just want to blast their mouths off and not listen to what others have to say
- DC Crowley
Prokofy: no. Twitter's DM feature really sucks. It always has. I just use it because everyone else wants to.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter's DM is a reinvention of a wheel named EMAILS.
- directeur
directeur: only done in the most lame way possible.
- Robert Scoble
Much like the FF comment system is a reinvention of vBulletin/phpBB, done in the most lame way possible.
- Ken Sheppardson
Lame? I like it.
- coldbrew
Prokofy: That is the same argument that went on for a few weeks back in November here on FF. @loic decided that unfollowing everyone was a better solution that to simply utilize the tools at hand to filter and refine his firehose. Instead of unfollowing everyone @loic could have taken these treasured 25 or whatever and put them in a tweatdeck group that brings only their DM's to him, with all the other DM's going ignored. DM's are NOT like email, there isn't an expectation of reply when you send a DM
- Matthew DeVries
Everything is a reinvention of Usenet or E-mail, or N. Just like everything on the Internet is a repost of a repost.
- Sam Levine
Let's play this out...if everyone unfollowed a significant % of those whom they don't care about...then it would INCREASE the ability to communicate with those they do care about without all the noise. I'm sure we would all agree this is a good thing. However, if we were to unfollow EVERYONE...are we little more than individual broadcasters that never allow for a two way dialogue? This would dramatically change the landscape of Twitter because a profound hierarchy would emerge: "follows" and "follow-nots"
- Drew Sams
Drew, I've been writing about that topic for a while now, but especially in recent weeks with the influx of new twitter users who don't attempt to converse yet.
- Richard A.
Don't you think it has incremental feature improvements each time though, Levine?
- coldbrew
Depending on how you use FF, it is much like IRC combined w/ Usenet
- coldbrew
Richard: most new twitter accounts I'm seeing lately are bots. Not real users and provably so. Real users display random behavior. The new accounts do not. Humans are never consistent.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe they had a falling out and Noah is no longer welcome?
- Tony C
Richard, thanks for sharing...this has been a topic I'm really interested in. I'll head over to your blog and check out what you've written. Cheers!
- Drew Sams
One way in which the FF comment system is lame: comments on Scoble threads move so fast that in the time I've typed this, there will probably be five other new comments. Yet FF will chose to hide some of them and instead say "20x more comments". When I click on that, the thread expands into 5+ pages of comments, and I have to scroll down and try to remember what I saw last. Lack of read/unread status and/or visible (non-mouseover) timestamps are pretty significant time sinks/inefficiencies.
- Ken Sheppardson
Enough off-topic. I think this is ironic on a number of levels:
- coldbrew
A way to think about Loic. There are a lot of gamers who follow huge numbers, then unfollow massively to look A-List. Loic is A-List. But even so, ask yourself what *you've* gotten from Loic. If you can't answer that question, your unfollow decision should be clear.
- Hutch Carpenter
Drew: That's like saying in 1890 to communicate better with your friends/family, you need to erase the rest of the country so the mail man can find your people easier/faster. There are tools to filter and refine your communication with Twitter and Friendfeed. It is wrong to choose the nuclear option instead of just using the tools to organize their communication streams, as these platforms evolve they're going to regret casting people out and then have to be in a position to regather them again.
- Matthew DeVries
Ken: The datastream is there, write an app to create what you want.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: Workin' on it :-) Coldbrew: Who appointed you guy who gets to decide what's off-/on-topic? ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Sheppardson, not sure. Just using the convention of looking at the post title. Do you have another metric by which to judge objectively?\
- coldbrew
There's the 1st piece of irony, DeVries, " There are tools to filter and refine your communication with Twitter and Friendfeed." Le Meur's company, Seesmic, makes one of them, but it can't do its job ;-)
- coldbrew
coldbrew: I'd explain, but that'd be off topic :-P
- Ken Sheppardson
2nd piece of irony comes from the fact that Scoble is disseminating it, but he seems to be keeping a very objective stance, neither agreeing nor disagreeing with Le Meur's justifications for his actions.
- coldbrew
Scoble, of course, is "well known" for following so many people all over the ecoshpere [edit: and that is ironic to me]
- coldbrew
Coldbrew: Like a black fly in your chardonnay?
- Matthew DeVries
I find the trend puzzling especially (as @Jim Connolly pointed out) when it's someone like Loic who actually built a tool to help bring method to this madness. Robert, you make it seem so easy and I am in awe as to how you manage to respond to thousands of your followers, both here and on Twitter. It's obvious that not everyone can do it, it's probably getting overwhelming for some.
- MiaD
Matthew: TOTALLY agree with you. I probably wasn't the clearest in my comment above. While I choose to unfollow bots and spammers, I prefer to use tools like Tweetdeck and others to filter conversations. The second half of my comment is what I think will happen if we go the nuclear route: Social media will just become a marketplace where ideas are broadcasted but never sharpened through the dialogue process...I don't want another place where ideas and products are hawked at me without my ability to dialogue
- Drew Sams
Well played, Sheppardson.
- coldbrew
Anyway, promiscuity in public isn't good?
- coldbrew
Unfollowing enmasse isn't good business. GKawasaki "gets" Twitter. @Loic either doesn't get it or doesn't know what 2 do with it. I unfollowed him back.
- Now Voyager
first the morons were all bout braggin bout how many followers they had, now they realize "oh shit, I can't figure out who said what and when" so now they get to un-follow & that is news. Give me a fucking break, follow or don't follow for the right reasons.In reality at the most people can have 300 odd relationships with people and sustain it beyond that it is just Hello and good bye and that's about it.
- Baba
"I unfollowed him back" Oh did ya' now?
- coldbrew
This is like watching a movie about a young passionate teen as he slogs his way the the world, making mistakes, and learning right before your eyes.
- coldbrew
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Unfollowing is always an option, but why do it without criteria???
- Jorge Martins Rosa
I could clean up a little, but I like following several hundred. I started in 2006 by following the broadcasters and some of the people that followed them and that they followed. I've slowly increased the number I follow since then. Some days I add about a dozen and unfollow about eight. I like to slowly see what people are saying, participate a little and really meet people. I can manage following hundreds.
- Bill
this is you invite people in you're house and studently you kick everybody out without reasons, i remenber when L L M always ask to be followed on twitter . anyway i also kick out from every where and delete my seemsic account .................... some french people when they become famous they got big head
- Yann
from twhirl
Not sure I agree with @loic but have been thinking the same. The relity is you can only carry relevant conversations with a limited number of people.
- RicardoSilva
I think you should do it. Just look at that number. 69,394. It does no good to follow that many people. Wipe the slate clean.
- techky
I really think Twitter should have group and thread (at least one level)
- Jeremy Chone
I found the original mail on the twitter-dev list:So I have kind of weird request. My boss, who is following 24,386 people (and has 22,752 followers) came to me and wanted me to hack something to wipe out all the people he follows so he can start clean again for various reasons. I'm curious if there is any tools internally at twitter that could help with this maybe because this seems to...
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- Daniel W. Crompton
It's insanely easy to "follow" lots of people. With groups and search in Tweetdeck (sorry @loic) and filters plus tag-focusing services like Twitterfall, I can now focus attention on a "slice" (i.e., a window pane or dialog box). It is very rare that I look at an unfiltered stream. I am almost always looking at a refined view of the entire stream. It kind of reminds me of the Matrix. The "operators" were able to see small nuances in the unadulterated feed.
- Lorin Olsen
Nevertheless, I am intrigued by reducing the number of people I follow. I want to have "intimate" conversations and not just blast tones into an echo chamber. In fairness, that is one of the reasons I am doing more in Friendfeed.
- Lorin Olsen
I think it may be good if people with large followings and who follow a lot of people had two Twitter accounts. One for broadcasting and having the ability to DM many people in your network and the second one solely for listening to quality and engaging with your core network. Doing this may solve the problems referred to above.
- Bill Romanos
@Hutch is quite correct in saying "ask yourself what *you've* gotten from Loic. If you can't answer that question, your unfollow decision should be clear." Exactly!! that should be the criteria for everyone, A-list or not. I've unfollowed some "A-listers" who are focused on things which don't tickle my fancy. Nothing personal of course, the goal is to get focused.
- Eric Gonzalez
By the way, I don't mind an unfollow, but what's up with the "tell me why I should follow you back?" business. Doesn't that seem odd?
- Eric Gonzalez
what is this twitter of which you speak?
- mike "glemak" dunn
Mike, I assume you are not following anybody so you don't need not to take any action. The proposed procedures only concern people who follow somebody else on this thing called Twitter. :-)
- Tapio Kulmala
is there an auto unfollow ?
- Antoine Bertier
Antoine, No. There was once a rumor that they have tested auto-unfollow in their lab. The performance testing results were alarming. They noticed that they should get rid of 90% of their servers in 2 weeks. The CFO decided that they could not afford that kind of capital losses.
- Tapio Kulmala
I just went through my follows on Twitter and removed a bunch of people I'd never heard of before. I forgot I had signed up with socialtoo.com when Scoble mentioned it and it's all turned off now anyway. We'll see later if my own followers suddenly will now go away cause they're using the same type of tools.
- Paul Wade
People feel slighted when unfollowed - decidedly unsocial. And with tools like Tweetdeck and peoplebrowsr allowing you to create groups (i.e. 'core people', or 'people I know' etc), there's no reason why you can't continue to follow loads of people and focus in on the ones who matter to you. It's social to follow back, and helps build relationships, but that doesn't mean you can't focus on the people who matter to you - there are tools.
- Tom Beardshaw
I even had someone I'd met (and we'd made friends on Facebook) unfollow me then add me to a "<name>monitor" twitter account, saying "this is the account I use to keep track of a wider network" - which pretty much tells you they're not paying any attention to you at all. I promptly unfollowed him. Social is multidirectional relationships - I don't like one way relationships - they're bad for your health! I follow everyone who follows me unless they're trying to sell me something
- Tom Beardshaw
So that's what happened--Loic unfollowed and then refollowed me.;-) Someone constantly keeps doing that on my FB acct., too. I must say, the more followers I get lately who are trying to tell me about how to use social media and internet marketing to get rich, the more this option sounds good. Way too many spammers lately, or just folks who aren't bothering to find out about who you really are and how to have a conversation. Ugh.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Loic method may have been extreme, but I understand where it is coming from, at a certain number, its hard to follow who you are interested in and maybe starting over again is the way to go.. I actually created a second twitter account just for companies and organizations, because I was noticing they were taking over my original account.
- Kim Landwehr
Well - Loic simply has one big problem: He doesn´t use Tweetdeck and the Group feature! LOL
- Dieter Schwarz
Signal vs noise.
- Steve Rubel
OMG huston we have a problum
- Victor
I've already noticed a drop in my followers number. Doesn't matter to me though.
- Paul Wade
Drop in follower, but any increase in participation. That's why I unfollowed so many.
- Richard A.
Looked at who I was following and came to the conclusion most of the people I was following were unneeded, whether due to lack of interesting content or inactivity. Been unfollowing people for the last few weeks. Trying to keep it around 200
- BCK
With tools such as TweetDeck I can setup groups and searches for those tweets I care about the most. Makes number of following irrelevant.
- Robert J Taylor
I give me a chance. follow them for bit see if there interact post anything of value reply to my tweets . If not its just pointless.
- John Cusick
That may work for the twitter elite, but for users like me, it defeats the point of twitter, which is to build community by networking.
- Kelly
My comment is ...I have no comment :))
- SRivera
I semi regularly prune for my following list for relevance (for multiple values of relevance)
- Alec Clews
Terrible idea unless you want to experience true hermit status through the rate of being unfollowed prior to deleting your account.
- Roney Smith
I have always kept a limited number of people I follow. The noise level has been very manageable. T is only one of the conduits for info.
- Dave Ploch
thats retarded
- tommy payne
from twhirl
Like Dave, I'm careful about who I follow in the first place, and I've only had to unfollow a couple of people who got out of hand.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
I'm a careful user, and this realm showed me how people can react rapidly to certain things. I've been unfollowed more than I did unfollow. Note that I'm a curious type of guy and love discovering things in everyone. I think that can be a good thing for those whose critical to the point of stopping everything second to witness being too much analyzing those to unfollow. Else, why be that critical to the point of massive cleaning? Is digital managing difficult and tiring for some? Reminds me: GReader refresh
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
I got 0 value out of following @loic, so I lost nothing. I also unfollowed.
- Mike Lewis
I can do the same thing via a Favorite list in FriendFeed.
- Bill Bittner
my god the annoying post that never ends!! :P hahah
- Terry O'Fee
Time, there is not enough time to follow everyone. It has to be narrowed at some point to still be productive in your business. I do not mind visiting a stream and subscribing..just like I do not mind unsubscribing. Just doing a total following everyone or not following anyone is absurd.
- Brian McClure
At the moment this post has close to 400 likes plus comments. Which provokes the thought: rank Friendfeed posts by likes plus comments (for the total life of Friendfeed). Might be interesting.
- Sean McBride
I deleted 700+ people just two weeks ago and it was the most FUN I have had on Twitter in 6 months.
- Daniel Zarick
[∞][twitter needs to make an second time line to US [...] so, we got one to friends and other to network ][ I have 2 accounts to do this]
- dbalieiro
Similar to the concept of declaring e-mail bankruptcy.
- David Pappas
Then it becomes a broadcast, not an exchange. How about unfollow everyone that doesn't add value to your life.
- Martha
Wow, that is interesting timing. Is it spring cleaning time for everyone or what?
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
At least once a week I go through several pages of twitter stream and take a look at everyone on it. I end up unfollowing at least five or six people. I still have hundreds, but it's much less than I would otherwise.
- Sandra Fernandez
as for me, good reasons for unfollowing are ppl following you then unfollowing you immediately, or people not posting in ages, or people where after a while you see having absolutely no exchange on any subject or no common interest. I try to keep my following list clear under these criteria to avoid a bloated following list
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
i prune my list every few weeks and add and delete, keeps it fresher
- susan mernit
I only follow a few people anyway. The "follow everyone you don't know" thing always seemed crazy to me.
- TranceMist
I have no plans of unfollowing any of the people I follow. My setup fits my marketing strategy just fine.. Don't need to jump on the bandwagon. That's the beauty of twitter... do what works for you!!
- Jim Turner
The best tool I've found for getting the most out of twitter is Tweetdeck. Set up groups to stay on top of the conversations generated by the folks you're the closest to.
- Jim Turner
I do a combination of things. I've always been selective about who I follow; if anyone gets to noisy I unfollow them; I filter it through my FriendFeed; I have specific lists set-up in Friend-Feed (even one for "chatter"); I grab the rss feeds for the Friend-Feed lists I want to focus on and have those directly imported into the RSS feed section of my email client (Thunderbird at the moment.) My email feeds have folders and message filtering rules set-up to move everything to the appropriate sub-folders.
- Gail Guy
... I can then quickly identify and scan my favorites, but best of all, I can use my email client functions to "tag" a message a certain color or "star" it as a favorite -- making it easy to find and review at a later time.
- Gail Guy
I think this is brilliant. Curbs the spammers, takes away some incentive from the fakes and keeps Twitter honest. More of my thoughts http://tr.im/gMZ8
- Chris Leonard
As soon as I got Tweetdeck I started following by subject instead of by the person.
- Carl Pruitt
I'm returning to San Francisco today. - http://www.dopplr.com/travell...
See more in my Dopplr profile.
- tommy payne
Old Blackberry from 2005 officially died yesterday (dropped one too many times :( Any recommendations for new phone to get w/ AT&T plan? Please, no iPhones...
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i can't resist... iphone :)
- tommy payne
from twhirl
you already know what my unhelpful recommendation will be: switch to t-mobile and get a G1 :)
- Tudor Bosman
iPhone is my Phone. Tried the rest, came back to the best.
- Phil Boiarski
Why not another Blackberry?
- Benjamin Golub
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I guess the only reasonable choices are the Blackberry Curve or Bold, but I really like my scrolly-wheel, instead of the nipple in the middle. So I guess I can get another refurbished version of the one I have (the 8700c), except it does seem like it'd be nice to have a cameraphone. Sigh.
- Ana
from IM
Problem solved. Kevin is giving me his old Blackberry! Woohoo! I love FriendFeed (the site and the company :)
- Ana
If not iPhone, then Blackberry Bold.
- Martha
If you're looking for a full featured, stylish mobile with qwerty how about the Nokia E63 http://www.nokiausa.com/link... or E71
- LonelyBob
Parenting Fail
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srsly?
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Oy.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Mommie's gonna get fat!
- Chrimmus Tad
OMG!
- petar vucetin
wow, the word "douchebag" was the first thing that popped in my mind. Just never thought I'd say it about someone's mom.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
NFW!
- tommy payne
from twhirl
Oh dear!!!
- Mel Buckpitt
I can't decide between a Storm or the iPhone (yes I [Mr. Apple Naysayer] am actually considering it for the features)
Tyson Key, @CrystalinaB, iMorpheus and 17 other people liked this
It's hard to swallow no Wifi on the Storm, but the iPhone doesn't even do video [natively] and has a lower screen resolution and crappier camera.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I heard bad things about the Storm.
- Shevonne
Yes, Storms are generally bad =P
- vijay
I am a huge BlackBerry fan, but I have heard nothing but bad about the Storm.
- Michelle Martinez
But very romantic for valentines.
- Todd Hoff
have you tried the storm? the push button screen is annoying
- Richard Lawler
You should think about the Curve if going the Blackberry route.
- Shevonne
Have you looked at the HTC Touch Pro? Although you are likely on Rogers so maybe they don't have it. WiFi, video, 3.2 MP camera, nice interface, active sync for GMail, Google Maps with GPS. I like mine a lot.
- Kenton
Storm is nice in theory, but not in implementation. If you're gonna go BB, look at the Bold. Also, the iPhone has MAD apps. Something to think about. I like my Apple stuff, but I'm no fanboy. And I love mine.
- Derrick
@Shevonne There's been a lot of iPhone fan-people who have been spreading a lot of crap about the Storm. I've played with it alot and it's downright sexy. @Richard I love the clickscreen, it's a great idea.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
If I were you I would also consider the BB Bold.
- Michelle Martinez
I have heard negative stuff about the Storm. And seeing the commercial where they type on the screen and every letter clicks makes me think I would go insane using it. Between the two I'd pick the iPhone. But I will also say that I love my Android G1! :)
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Bold >> Curve?
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I just recently switched from a BlackBerry to the iPhone. Both have their advantages/disadvantages. Both data plans are $30/mo. (at least, mine was on VZW) and, for me, the iPhone makes that $30 much more worth it. Way better browsing experience and a lot more apps.
- Shawn Farner
Check out Cnet Reviews. That is where I get all my tech reviews: http://www.cnet.com/?tag=hdr
- Shevonne
Shey - wait! All the new phones are coming, which means 1) you will have more options and 2) the prices will drop. Seriously, wait.
- Mona Nomura
iPhone. I don't understand why anyone would use a blackberry (i've spent all morning wrestling with one -- they cache SSL pages -- WTH)
- RAPatton
@Mona what new phones?
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
There are tons coming out. New Curve, new iPhone, Samsung, etc. etc.
- Shevonne
@Shevonne @Mona The sad part is it will take forever for those phones to come to Canada. I HATE the Canadian telecom market
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Isn't Microsoft rumored to be coming out with one as well?
- Shevonne
@Shey =( You can't get an unlocked one on Ebay? It's just like here. Europe and Asia have phones we'll never get our hands. Makes me green with envy.
- Shevonne
@Shevonne, I think everyone has pretty much agreed that the MSFT phone rumors were about software/services for Windows Mobile and not a MSFT-branded phone
- Alan Cheslow
@Shevonne E-bay? *shudder*
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
The Bold is supposed to be better than the Curve, larger keys, better camera, wi-fi. My dad has one and likes it.
- Michelle Martinez
There are tons of Androids in the pipeline (which personally I'm excited for) as well as the... wait for it... PALM PRE and the iPhone 3rd gen. Seriously, wait.
- Mona Nomura
Yes iPhone pix blow, but I use the wifi ALL the time and take pictures with my camera.
- Kelly W.
Former Crackberry addict --- GO FOR THE iPHONE! really really really better!
- Susan Beebe
iPhone. I can't remember what my life was before I had an iPhone. Honestly.
- Baard @ Pixum
If your going to get a Blackberry, go with the Bold. Otherwise, the iPhone sounds better like a better choice.
- Michael Fidler
Android :)
- Mike Fruchter
wow, i tried the storm that my lawyer had. it thoroughly sucked. he returned it in 3 days saying that he is faster on his Touch (can't have att phone, poor bastard). wait for the new iphone. sure to kick everyone's ass again...
- tommy payne
from twhirl
I'm really close to getting an iPhone. Really close...
- Karoli
I'm not a BB guy (i'm on my 2nd iPhone) but if you want to do more than email from the phone - go with the iPhone. Internet access is unparalleled - Safari alone would be enough of a win, but couple that with socnet specific apps and it's a hands down winner. If you were considering a storm, you're ok with the soft keyboard and unless you really, really need it to do video (which you may be able to do if you jailbreak?) the iPhone's gotta be the way. :)
- felix
I'm BB all the way, but when it comes to qwerty as to the Storm: dunno
- sofarsoShawn
I think I am going to go with the Palm Pre.
- Jauder Ho
Palm Pre, or Nokia N97!
- Tyson Key
(Although I'm biased in favour of Symbian OS-based devices)
- Tyson Key
Mona++, WAIT. If you don't wait a while, you'll be pissed. If you think about it, both of these phones are already old news
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
@Abby I think I'm just going to wait until August when the contract expires and see what pops up then. Jas and I both need new phones
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Is the Wal-Mart $100 iphone rumor still going?
- sofarsoShawn
Shey go for the storm. People just steal iPhones on Bart (true story)
- @CrystalinaB
wait for more android phones dude
- Bob Sonin
The Storm is awesome. Love mine.
- Scott Maentz
Buy the iPhone—no doubt. There are some interesting things about Android and the Palm Pre. However, neither of them has the goods to catch Apple in features or variety of 3rd-party apps. Apple is just on version 2.2.1; version 3.0 of the software (and likely the hardware) will be out around June-ish, which should result in another jump in features and capabilities. Like with the iPod, Apple has a lead they will not lose.
- Albert Willis
iPhone vs. the Storm. Most of the hardware is comparable, but Apple has the advantage with software, with the AppStore, etc. Video capture on non-jailbroken phones is coming. And no wi-fi on the Storm is a deal breaker. I mean, that's just nuts. Mobile Safari was great when it was released and continues to get better and better. I do an amazing amount of surfing on the iPhone—it matters.
- Albert Willis
iPhone is as far as i saw not able to forward SMS messages and all music once put in it is hard to retrieve. it has no bluetooth and has no ability to deal with business cards... or?
- Hayk H.
love my iphone. besides a shuffle, it's the only apple product i own.
- cjmart
Yep - no SMS forwarding. And no sending contact vcards ( or otheer contact format). The iPhone will read a vcard but wont send. Much to my distinct distste. But i can live with it.
- Roberto Bonini
iPhone all the way. If you jailbreak, you can fix the missing features.
- Mohamed J
i bought a HTC Touch HD, and as much as it is windows mobile 6.1 based, so far i like it a lot! it is not necessarily as easy in autorotating as iPhone - remedy is called GSen - but it is arguably better and has better charactereistics than iPhone. so perhaps consider it as well.
- Hayk H.
A day filled with interesting challenges. I find myself drifting to sleep, listening to the whoosh of rain coated pavement and smiling.
hey babes. power to you hitting those challenges. keep it up and lets catch up next open kitchen
- tommy payne
from twhirl
My mom now wants an Apple computer. Not for any reason other than she likes how the Apple lights up when the lid is open.
andrei_c, Ted Louie, ursi and 10 other people liked this
i figured it was to browse engadget daily
- Allen Stern
Perhaps people buy Windows computers because they like the Windows sound.
- Ontario Emperor
Re Allen's comment - will mom ask "Who's this Sigler they're talking about?"
- Ontario Emperor
people buy windows computers because of that stupid patriotic flag... ;)
- tommy payne
from twhirl
Now THAT is BRANDING! triggering sales on the basis of the logo alone. kudos to Apple!
- .LAG liked that
She really wants a Nite Lite with an apple shape!!!!! save yourself some $$$
- Susan Beebe
Google Mobile - Sync (This is huge if it works well. Am trying it now). - http://www.google.com/mobile...
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so far, no sync :(
- Mistletoe Glen
It seems to work great. Only 5 Google Calendars though.
- Wallace Wilson
I'd try it out but iPhone has this odd limitation of only one "Exchange" account at a time and I already sync with my Work Exchange. :(
- Paul Wade
Yes, this is ONLY useful if you don't already sync your iPhone to an Exchange server!
- Stephen Foskett
Love this. Hope that Apple end up supplementing lost MobileMe revenue with increased handset marketshare. Want to know if GoogleSync and MobileMe can be used in tandemn (until MobileMe subscription expires).
- Conor Ogle
Working well on WinMO so far, just needed to backup and import my outlook contacts into Google first. Looking forward to this thing moving
- Tyler Brownfield
Conor, I don't see why not. I have my work exchange server and my mobileme account (along with Yahoo, Gmail (email)) all on the same iphone and it all works great. I just wish I could add a second exchange account for Google.
- Paul Wade
Worked for me on my Windows Mobile, but I couldn't sync my calendar, as i'm already syncing elsewhere!
- Les Zaldor
Thanks. Do you think a one-time sync to get Google in line with MobileMe is going to be enough? I'm concerned about one overwriting the other.
- Conor Ogle
Google sync uses ActiveSync in Windows Mobile. This means I can't sync to both it and my work exchange server... such a bummer.
- Alan Le
Conor, MobileMe and Exchange Activesync are kept completely separate on the iPhone. No data crossover at all.
- Paul Wade
I like the thought, but I won't put it to use. I don't want my personal stuff, mixing with my work stuff anymore... Maybe another time, remember it's beta, but we all know google will keep it beta for like 2 years (i.e. gmail still beta) lol
- Jayson Flint
So what happens to my Address Book?
- Conor Ogle
Working here, fantastic - been waiting for this for a while. If you have multiple Google Calendars make sure to visit m.google.com/sync on the phone (not on the computer) and select the additional calendars you want to sync.
- Ben
I've had this for some time now using nuevasync.com... but, now I can sync directly to google, and remove nuevasync from the equation. nice.
- Neil Bernhart
This is a major game changer IMO. Why would any small business owner want Blackberry or Exchange servers at this point? GMail allows you to park a domain & gives you 7+ gigs for free. With OTA sync, you get the Blackberry-esque features, also for free. If I have 10-50 employees, I have the choice of hosting multiple servers onsite with multiple moving parts along with purchasing CALs, HW & SW maintenance, and dealing with never-ending storage needs. Or, I could let someone else do it for little to no cost.
- Peter Ghosh
oh, and beware... push eats battery life on the 3G like there's no tomorrow. if you can live with getting updates every 15 min, I would stick with fetch.
- Neil Bernhart
NuevaSync has been offering the same service from months on the iPhone and other phones. It can also do up to 8 calendars.
- Chris Williams
Only one calendar is synced from Google. Nuevasync supports multiple calendars.
- Jared B. Luther
Jared, you can sync up to 5 cals with Google Sync. Sadly, none of them can be shared calendars from what I'm seeing. Sticking with NuevaSync for now.
- Kevin C. Tofel
@Kevin - they can be shared. I'm viewing shared and even public calendars with Google Sync on my iPhone.
- Wallace Wilson
Is this one of those things that doesn't work with Google Apps for your domain? It doesn't seem to want to work for me.
- Ryan Anderson
I am a Google Apps user and I am getting nada. Me thinks I will be heading back over to Nuevasync.
- Matt Martin
@Peter, if I was a small business owner, one thing that I'd consider is the security. Google Apps doesn't give you any ability to manage the device. Both BES and Exchange allow you to remotely kill or hobble a device as well as push custom apps and security policies. You can get BES free for less than 10 devices or go to hosted Exchange/BES. Sure it costs you money, but businesses should be concerned about where all that data is going and being stored.
- Kenton
@Ryan, I found the fix. You need to go into the dashboard for your domain and enable the sync.
- Matt Martin
@Ryan and Matt: It DOES work on hosted domains. You need to login to your Google Apps admin control panel and enable sync.
- Peter Ghosh
@Peter, thanks for the heads up. Seems to be working well..
- Matt Martin
I think for individuals and small businesses this is going to be killer in which data security and device management can be a bit more lenient. I wish just sucks I'm stuck with Exchange already at work.
- Brian Bufalo
@Kenton - Good take on security. Given that this is using Activesync, I think the Google Apps-enabled kill switch is imminent (ActiveSync via Exchange has kill switch features). The fact that the domain's Google Apps admin has to enable sync'ing in the first place is a good start.
- Peter Ghosh
btw, 1 hour in and this feature is nerdtastic!!!!
- Peter Ghosh
Thanks for the tip on enabling it via the Google Apps dashboard; seems to work fine for me now.
- Mistletoe Glen
Nice! I didn't know about the activation from within the Admin panel of Apps for Domains, and now it's working great. Thanks Matt & Peter!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Still no news and/or tricks on how to get the calendar to sync to the Nokia symbian phones?
- Henrik Söderlund
I don't have any options for additional calendars on m.google.com/sync, just the iPhone setup instructions. Is this an Apps bug?
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Tried setting it up on my HTC Mogul and it no work. Had to change the username to cjwelle%gmail.com for the user name to get the domain to show up. But after that no sync of any information. Not ready for primetime in my book.
- Santa CW™
Setting up Google Sync now. updating my N82 firmware first. hope it wont delete my contacts list like it does for iPhone.
- Sunil Joseph
Wallace, thanks for correcting me. I wasn't able to see my shared calendars, but after your comment I thought about it. My shared cals are from a Google Apps account and our admin likely hasn't enabled it for that one. Thanks!
- Kevin C. Tofel
I've been using the version for BlackBerrys for a couple of months or so, but turned it off the other day as it kept retracting my appointments during syncs leaving me with an empty calendar and missed appointments! Not sure what was happening there, and it's hard to tell if there's a newer release for the BBs that's come out now too.
- Benjamin Watt
Sounds like a good idea but I can't get it set up. Keep getting "exchange account validation failed" but no clues as to what failed. Are there any restrictions on usage outside the US?
- Mark Warren
I use this on my BlackBerry and it works extremely well for me.
- Christopher Howie
from twhirl
I also found a problem here in germany - if you try to sync more than one calendar it said "this device is not supported" - adding ?hl=en to switch to english helped and I could sync all my shared and read only calendars: http://m.google.com/sync?hl=en
- Frank S.
Works perfectly for me. Now I can stop using nuevasync...
- Jorg Jansen
I've used the BlackBerry version for a few months now. It's great!
- Rob Boek
Well, If you are using and depending on /or can't get around another service, e.g. an Exchange server, in your cross sync calendar and contacts mix Google Sync is most likely not going to do much for you. Las time I checked, Google Sync assumes the dominant position and does not let you specify any sync conditions you'd might come to expect from other syncing apps. E.g. syncing contacts to and from your Google account not optional. I'd like to be able to tell Google how and what I'd like to sync, though.
- Vidar Andersen
If apple would simply support CalDav on the iPhone this would be a moot point. I can have iCal attached to Google Calendar and working off-line... but not the calendars on my iPhone. I don't get it...
- Brian Roy
Proof of the pudding for me will be how it handles alarms. If that works well, bye bye MobileMe!
- Chris Hearn
I wonder if using ActiveSync has any implications for Verizon users who have the $30/mo data plan for "Web Mail/Web Browsing", vs the $45/mo plan which is for "Syncing of Calendars/Tasks/Email/Web Browsing"? Could they be doing any packet capture by protocol?
- Jef
works awesome. i've been using nuevasync since i got the phone but was waiting till google did their own. now i'm happily waiting for them to support sync for tasks with.... ?
- tommy payne
from twhirl
NO, it doesn't work great. It has all the same problems with any other Exchange Sync. Your phone is "slaved" to the "exchange" - once that happens - no other contacts, no other calendars (with Google Apps you only get 1 calendar). The limitations of this pretty much out-weigh the up-side.
- Brian Roy
This is very tempting, except just this morning I was thinking that I need to start extracting myself from excessive dependence on the Google. I guess I could use this if I can figure out some other Google service to jettison.
- Erik S
I've been using Neuvasync for the past 9 or 10 months. It's a free Exchange service that interfaces with your Google calendar and contact store. It worked extremely well providing near real-time OTA synch between my iPhone, Outlook (with a Google account) and the web. I've now switched over to Google's Exchange service. Since Google was already hosting my contacts and calendar there was...
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- Troy Forster
from twhirl
I've noticed that if you setup Google Sync with your iPhone and have the OS X Address Book set to sync with Google, it appears the latter no longer happens. While OTA updates seem to work flawlessly between Google Contacts and the iPhone, if you intend to keep the Address Book in sync with the other 2 then something is in need of fixing.
- Scott Jarkoff
Any difference between Exchange and MobileMe push on the iPhone with regard to battery life?
- Chris Hearn
ilike :) works so far
- videopixil
How is this handling fields that Google doesn't have in Gmail, i.e. birthdays? I'm a little hesitant to just sync contacts specifically, because Gmail doesn't have the number of related fields that the iPhone or the Address Book app does.
- Aakar Shroff
its not new though... its existed on the blackberry for a loong time (and has been working quite well for me)... is the "new" just the version for the iPhone or am i missing something?
- simran
Currently Google Sync only supports Contacts for my Nokia N95 Too bad I use GooSync now for my calendar, but it only updates a couple of weeks ahead. Wish Plaxo had 2 way sync with Google Contacts. And that I could use any address book in gmail.
- nooble
Took a while to get this up and running well, but I've decided to forgo access to my work email/calendar to have my Google Calendar on my phone.
- Bill Glover
I have never been a big fan of Google's contacts system. If contact photos (which I use in my iPhone for caller ID) don't get synced they way Outlook does it, I won't bother. Google needs to overhaul the whole UI and feature set of it's contacts system. Right now it is probably the worst of all the main webmail services.
- Rolf Schewe
youll let us know?
- Richard Binhammer
from twhirl
I have a question for anyone who's used this so far. What happens with conflicts? How does it determine if a contact is the same and which one wins the conflict? Can this be set? It would be nice if the phone wins for phone number conflicts and Google wins for email address conflicts (possibly address, too), but that's a pipe dream, I guess.
- Chieze Okoye
Also, what happens with contact images? I don't want to overwrite the ones already on my phone but it would be nice to have some pulled from GChat for the rest of my contacts that don't have them set already (so I guess I would like phone to win contact image conflicts)
- Chieze Okoye
D'oh! only the main calendar on WinMob! Sucks! Oh well, guess I won't be using it now. Switching to Nuevasync, I guess.
- Chieze Okoye
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