Stuffing comes in a box. Dressing is what we have on Thanksgiving; it's made with cornbread and celery and doesn't go inside the turkey. I'm from Georgia. :)
- Laura B.
Stuffing. I got it from my mom who grew up in Massachusetts.
- Michelle Martinez
Akiva says it's only stuffing if it's baked in the bird. Otherwise, it's dressing. He's from Texas.
- Rochelle
From Missouri: We say both and were ignorant of the difference.
- SAM
Yeah, dressing and stuffing are separate entities to me too. Stuffing is stuffed inside. Dressing dresses the outside. EDIT: from UK.
- Mark H
Stuffing. Currently in Nevada. Going back to Cali in a couple of months. My immediate family is/was not from this country, so when they started celebrating Thanksgiving after they came to California, they heard stuffing.
- Helen Sventitsky
I have a theory that the difference is regional. I suspect the dislike of the word "stuffing" is a Bible Belt thing.
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
Harvey, I agree with this theory. I've been in Seattle for nearly 28 years and have never once heard someone native to here call it dressing.
- Rochelle
As far as I can remember, my family has always called it stuffing. We're New York Jews.
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
Stuffing - dressing is something you do with your clothes to cover yourself up (from UK)
- WorldofHiglet
I wonder if us southerners think "stuffing" has a sexual connotation. :)
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
you americans are crazy. stuffing is for the inside of a poultry, dressing is some sort of gravy or sauce for on top of something (eg a salad)
- Snipergirl
Well, Snipergirl, there's dressing, and then there's dressing.
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
A salad is considered dressing? Hmm. I don't think I've ever heard (that is,in Seattle) any *food* ever called dressing. Dressing is what you do with clothes in the morning and that's about it.
- Rochelle
@rochelles no a salad dressing is what you put on salad
- Snipergirl
Snipergirl salad dressing is different from dressing (mush made from cornbread).
- Anika
When I put my clothes on, it's dressing. When I stuff the turkey, it's stuffing. Oh,and I'm a Midwestener. My mom used to make oyster stuffing for Thanksgiving. So good.
- Sarah June
And even here in the States, depending on region, salad dressing can mean different things. Here in CA it means like ranch, Italian, Thousand Island, but in the midwest, it's some mayonnaise mixture made with relish that people put on sandwiches.
- Anika
I stuff a bird. Mind you, being from England, that certainly has more than one meaning.
- Ian May
Stuffing. We get it out of a box, but don't cook it inside the turkey (personally, I don't even eat it anyway). I'm familiar with the term dressing, but have never used it in this particular situation. I'm from Massachusetts.
- PENGUIN: MAJOR CAPS LOCK
@faboomama @rochelles @ha3rvey while I do admit to understanding that this is a conversation about American English only, I would probably alert you to the fact that most people in the world who speak English actually speak British English or a close variant of it (including Canadians funnily enough)- thus to many people outside the US, dressing is a perfectly valid term for what you put on salad, and is never used to denote your cornbread thingy
- Snipergirl
though i must admit that the cornbread thingy sounds OM NOM NOM NOM
- Snipergirl
To be even more pedantic, not all dressings/stuffings have cornbread. :)
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
stuffing here as well (Washington), though I do here dressing now and then. And in my circles, we rarely have cornbread stuffing, just to be difficult. ;)
- holly
Which is why they're different words to me. Dressing is made with cornbread (or any bread really), but stuffing is mostly meat-based and goes inside the bird.
- Anika
They are two different things, like Anika said, but mostly, I eat cornbread dressing. Mmmm. With cranberry sauce on the side. Oh and turkey and mashed potatoes and gravy and green beans and...
- Carmen
Just to blow my own horn, I made a vegetarian Thanksgiving dinner with roasted acorn squash with a chestnut and craisin stuffing and mushroom gravy. It was SO GOOD.
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
As someone in the midwest, I don't think I've ever called the stuff I put on sandwiches dressing. I wonder where they eat that stuff. Hmmmm. I do call anything I put on a salad, salad dressing.
- Sarah June
Actually, I was thinking about that, most of my family who are from the south originally, but live in the midwest now, call *any* spread to put on sandwiches "salad dressing". I wonder if that's old Southern thing.
- Anika
Maybe. The concoction sounds interesting. :-) I'm kind of plain person when it comes to sandwiches. Usually just mayo. And Ha3rvey, that sounds wonderful.
- Sarah June
I thought I remembered a sandwich spread under the Miracle Whip brand name. My google-fu fails me right now, though.
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
Ha3rvey, I love you. However, as I have said before, I am a Miracle Whip kind of girl. :P That said, the jar of MW in my kitchen does call itself "dressing," but not "salad dressing." When I was in the UK, I put "salad cream" on my sandwiches.
- Laura B.
Okay, 'salad cream' just gives me the heebie-jeebies. LOL
- Anika
Stuffing, I'm from all over the US (mom & dad are too, although the recipe is southern), but we always put it in the bird, so stuffing fits. And it's not meat-based - it's Wonder bread based, with bacon, celery, and poultry seasoning - yummy. In New Orleans, when they ask if you want your po boy dressed, they mean, do you want lettuce, tomato, mayo, etc., which makes sense since the po boy would be almost naked without it.
- Cassandra
Like Rochelle said, we call it stuffing in Seattle and I was born and raised here. My husband is from MN and he calls it dressing. To me, dressing is for salad. Or what you do when you put on clothes. ;-)
- Annie Anderson
I say stuffing, but that's my Brooklyn roots. Actually, I say both since dressing is something completely different: Salad sauce, or stuffing that didn't actually get stuffed anywhere. (don't like dressing)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
It's stuffed in a bird, but comes out dressing.....although if you bake it in a dish, it's still dressing....New York state....English heritage.
- Bonnie Foster
Michigan: I say stuffing, but I've heard both.
- R1CC1
I say stuffing (born in the USA</springsteen>), my wife says dressing (born in Canada). This topic came up for the first time this year and I'm not sure how - I've been living with Thanksgiving in October for over 15 years now :)
- Micah Wittman
Dressing goes on salad. Stuffing goes in a turkey. Montreal, QC
- Louis Simoneau
Michigan born and bred (family from Mississippi/Tennessee). We personally say dressing and it's never something that goes inside the bird. What goes in there is 'stuffing'.
- Holli B.
Stuffing, though "bread dressing" is understood (but we'll look at you strangely if you say dressing without the bread). Mich.
- Michael W. May
It still stinks at memory/intuitive usage though. Here is what I mean as an example. A relatively new user goes to upload a picture. They figure it out, and then sign off. Two days later they want to upload another picture. They can't remember exactly how they did it, and are stuck trying to figure out the process all over again like they had never done it before. It's too busy. Two...
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- Robert Campbell
Roberto: in some ways it's better but I'm still getting used to it. I miss the real time comments, though that pop up here.
- Robert Scoble
While I like it, it's not intuitive. Example: friend asked me what the difference is between the "News" feed and "Live" feed. I explained it to her, and she asked how it was better then "highlights". I preferred "highlights" for displaying highly engaged items, myself, but I see the value to the two new systems. Time will tell. Knowing Facebook, they likely won't roll back the feature, and keep powering forward.
- Mike Nayyar
If they fix the comments and likes to push things back up to the top, highlights won't be necessary because the more active items are still seen (regarding the live feed, which is all that matters) :-)
- Jesse Stay
it is better, but hope it doesn't usher in the untimely death of friendfeed
- Stuart
Stuart: no, that won't happen until next year but you can see the trend. Twitter and Facebook are getting new features (and Facebook has 200 people working on its engineering team). FriendFeed has almost no one working on it anymore. So, next year you'll see Facebook and Twitter both pass FriendFeed's feature set. Until then we're happy here!
- Robert Scoble
Only thing I do on Facebook is play Farkle. Gotta be really bored for that too.
- MicahBear78
When you log in, you get the same News Feed as before. When you click Live Feed you see EVERYTHING in your feed - and comments and likes seem to push things to the top. But my latest update failed to show in the News Feed: it only appeared in the Live Feed.
- Michael Slattery
I like the new facebook features, very freindfeed´ish but i also miss the highlights section. I would like to have both, but maybe that´s only me
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
I wonder how the system used to choose what to show you in the highlights section. And is it using some algorithm to SELECT what it shows in Live Feed? (Instead of EVERYTHING as I thought above.)
- Michael Slattery
Michael, I think Live feed shows you everything, except those you've hidden. That's the difference from when they had the live feed before. Before you couldn't choose to hide people in your live feed. Also, be sure to use the filters on the left - make some friend lists and filter your live feed by friend list.
- Jesse Stay
So when are they going to allow asymmetrical friending and FoaF?THAT'S what's going to change Facebook fundamentally.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
from iPhone
FB live is really awesome - but buggy!!
- Susan Beebe
I like the direction the new features are heading, but it still needs better hide and filter customization.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Agreed. The new Facebook live feed is great and a huge step forward.
- Alex Knight
Oh, I agree so much with this post. So many people are not loving it but it really rocks. Fast and vast amounts of information, quickly being able to see what friends, family, contact, networks are up to. While updating live! I love it.
- Travis Tasset
This is circulating on FB: "If you dont like the new FB here is how you can change it back to the old. Look to the top left menu and click on MORE. Then drag STATUS UPDATES to the top. After dragging to top, click on it. That becomes your default and it is like before."
- Michael Slattery
Except it's not the same: "Status" only gives you updates, without links, photos or notes.
- Michael Slattery
I'll tell you what, Mike...that right there is what we should all aspire to have in a breakfast meal. It is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen! *sniff*
- Josh Haley
at first glance i thought that was peach cobbler and ice cream.
- MicahBear78
FYI, this is at O.D.'s Kitchen in Gilroy, CA. By the way, the first half of this dish was wonderful, but I couldn't finish it all.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Glen, have I missed the book you're going to write about all these marvelous places? ;)
- Melanie Reed
IMHO Josh's second comment up there is perhaps one of the finest comments I've ever had the honor to read.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Well, this just inspires me to put on my headphones, fire up the laptop and finish Prof Dube's 3rd Econ lecture while peeling apples for apple crisp!
- Melanie Reed
The only thing that's missing is a good oatmeal stout!
- Melanie Reed
I love the idea of a "Personal Content Database". I always thought of FriendFeed as an aggregation site, but it sounds better as a personal content database.
- Matthew Lang
Me too Matthew. I use it that way to some degree.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Is there a way to get a friend feed onto a personal web site?
- Peter Fletcher
Thanks for posting this Steve. And Dawn, are you deliberately ironic? Regardless, this post is for those who may not have the time to engage actively here, but will still benefit from being part of the service.
- Hutch Carpenter
Nice work but a lil late on this BNO
- sofarsoShawn
Peter, you can also embed an individual thread on your site by copying the code from the "Share" link
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Oh, Dawn, that's rich cause I blocked you for bringing vapid, banal, and inconsequential stuff to friendfeed a while back. All you have to do is look at all the items from the Google I/O conference to see just how wrong you are: http://is.gd/HaUQ
- Robert Scoble
"Personal Content Database" is quite apt (especially if we could have our service icons back) - When working in twitter and waiting for twitter's page to refresh a new post, it is quicker to jump to FriendFeed, because the post is there instantly.
- Chris Loft
BS, Robert. You blocked me because I'm not one of your sycophants but actually challenge your assumptions, motivations and actions. Like when I said you were neglecting your blog, you retaliated against me, but just two weeks later, Arrington said the same thing and you took that seriously. But I'm just a female, right Robert?...somebody you keep calling stupid, even though I'm sure my...
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- Dawn
Dawn: you don't even have a clue about why I blocked you. It's cause you were arguing religion and politics and had no clue who Ralph Reed was and then you followed it up with the lamest posts on global warming I've seen that it made me wonder why I was arguing with someone so clueless (and I forget there were a few other things you were arguing about). So much for that high grade point average. By the way, I don't remember Mike Arrington ever talking about that stuff.
- Robert Scoble
BTW: I unblocked her for some reason, I still don't know why. Oh, yeah, my brother stuck up for her and so far I've seen just the lamest additions to the community, like this one here. If friendfeed's discussion is vapid, banal, and inconsequential IT IS OUR FAULT. So, Dawn, this one is on you. Good riddens, I say.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, right, Robert. I'm so lame that Louis Gray announced both on his blog and on FF that I'm a great person to follow. And you're comment about Ralph Reed just once again shows your bigotry against Christians, lumping us all in one basket - that far right fundamentalist basket that you once belonged to and now despise. I never did belong to it. I'm Catholic, not "born again." I've had...
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- Dawn
Btw, two people have DM'd me that Scoble is best ignored. I can't do that. Being the target of repeated and consistent defamation by Robert Scoble isn't the same as Joe Blow FFer calling you an idiot. Robert's words carry a lot of weight in the tech world. I've asked Robert privately and politely to back off and as you can see, he's refused to do that. I not only have the right to defend myself, but I have a duty to my present and future investors and to my future employees.
- Dawn
FriendFeed's usefullness to me would increase 100% if I could automatically filter out every post with "friendfeed" in the title. That way I could get rid of the constant yapping about how great it is, and actually use it usefully.
- Ian Betteridge
This is a post from last may! The situation has totally changed since then
- DC Crowley
"even though I'm sure my IQ is higher than yours. Were you valedictorian of your high school? Or graduate magna cum laude? Did you get a graduate degree with honors" wow that means even i don't qualify :(
- ffcode
I agree, I think we should try to save Friendfeed.
- Hunt
from iPhone
Text books seem generally expensive and insipid (http://friendfeed.com/paul...). Are there any promising open-source textbook projects? (high quality content and likely to see actual use)
Obama's chief technology dude (can't remember his name) headed a project like this before taking the cabinet position. The folks at Buzz Out Loud (@acedtect @Mollywood @raygun01) would know about this as he recorded a message for their 1000th episode last week and we were reminded of the program (somewhere on the east coast).
- Kevin Arth
paul - Literacybridge.org is a great non-profit focusing on this issue. there are numerous issues here in terms of language localization, cost of print and transport of books, ability to have access to and understand content, etc. many textbook programs also assume one basic fact that is not necessarily true - literacy. although i am a fan of building schools and education, the reality...
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- Joyce
IMO, most textbooks betray a massive bias of quantity over quality, in part because quantity is confused with depth. If professors were doing their jobs (some are of course), they'd concentrate on distilling out the key points rather than partake of the laziness/spoils of the rigged textbook market... most textbooks are the equivalent of a public works program.
- Alex Schleber
I agree with Alex. Sometimes a good curriculum or at least a lesson plan is more important than a textbook. That's why I think a great project is Curriki.org. It is an online community, where educational resources can be created, shared and re-used in an open license environment. They concentrate mainly on K-12 curriculum, however it seems like it can be a great tool to share the...
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- Maciek Zielinski
Paul I agree that textbooks are way too expensive. As you may know, because of the way textbooks get adopted by some states, most of the kids in the country end up learning from books that were specifically designed to get approved in Texas and California. So how's this for an idea of how to give away your "lots of money": fund the development of a complete set of textbooks through an...
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- Peter
Consider also that if a person "open schools" all the way up through university material, there is no way to CLEP a degree. The US Department of Education should issue guidelines for the degrees where this makes sense.
- Ed Dodds
...i suspect that the textbook business is terrifically profitable for publishers, and that they'll fight any move to displace them tooth and nail.
- .LAG liked that
There's also http://ck12.org/ They make it easy for teachers to put together custom textbooks by reusing existing pieces of content (chapters and such).
- Meryn Stol
@Peter - curriki looks pretty interesting. Do you have any kind of harvesting facilities?
- Nick Lothian
@Nick. Yes. Curriki provides several ways to export materials from the site. Each of the 30,000 free and open source resources can be downloaded on to your computer, where they can be printed. You can also get the XML data for any resource. In both cases, you just have to mind the specifics of the Creative Commons license requirements. You can also embed a widget for any learning...
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- Peter
Here is a project that I have tried to contribute information to and one of my websites is actually listed there because at their request, it was easier for me to start a site of my own with the info I gave them, than for them to list all the book titles and links I provided them with. http://textbookrevolution.org
- April Russo (app103)
Curriki is a knowledge exchange which is the 21st century textbook. EVERCHANGING, always adding, always collaborating. When I see this, I don't just see worksheets... I see customizable games- good easy to change content. I see LEARNING ACTIVITIES, best practices, I see collaboration, I see a whole curriculum FOR TEACHER INSTRUCTION- on learning how to use and implement different...
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- Sharnon Johnston-Robinett
Ditto on Flatworld, but @scott, profs are not donating their time for free -- basic web-version of text is made for free, with chapters, learning materials, etc. available for fee-based download -- don't have to use the fee-based material, but is very nice to see business model that offers a good hybrid between paper-only and web-only content. In my classes, students often print out material because they want to work on their computers and have something "hard" to refer to.
- Mickey Schafer
Check out my new blogs on Curriki, we address this issue and hope the community will make sure we are sustainable.
- Bobbi Kurshan
Yum, is that mashed potatoes on the side? I swear they put crack in their mashed potatoes and red beans and rice.
- Trish R
Yes, it *was* mashed potatoes. Sometimes, I take the chicken pieces and scoop up the potatoes that way. *drool*
- Anika
James, I'm in NE (just outside of Boston) and was surprised when they opened one up this summer just a few minutes from my house! Unfortunately, I've heard from friends that the service there is awful, so I haven't been yet. -_-
- PENGUIN: MAJOR CAPS LOCK
I'm not sure if we have a Popeye's anymore. Never had chicken from there. I did go to Church's a couple times though. Comparison or no?
- Arlan Koizumi
Church's doesn't compare to Popeye's, in my experience. Church's tends to be greasy and bland. Popeye's isn't. Church's does have better mashed potatoes than KFC, but that's not saying much.
- Anika
By golly! There's one in downtown Minneapolis... 21.93 miles away! Probably won't get there tonight, but that's good to know!
- Mark Jepsen
You say I am lonely but I am not the one posting pictures of myself on the net for attention LMAO!
- orionstarr
And once again, the picture isn't posted for attention. I get it just by being me. Unlike you, I don't have to troll for it. People post on my threads because they enjoy engaging in dialogue with me. I wonder what friendfeed must be like for people like you who have to act like assholes just to be noticed. Poor baby. You need a hug?
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
I know you posted it cause it was national post on your desk meme on friendfeed day. I know you just were being trendy and cool. none the less though for attention.
- orionstarr
Actually, I posted this on Monday, before that meme even happened, but you keep working hard, and eventually you will pick a winner baby.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
My professor says I have to use scholarly materials, and can't use any web sources. Can you find me a journal article about Obama's presidential campaign?
- D0r0th34
Do you have any tape? Do you have an extra yellow highlighter? Do you have any white-out(tm)? Where is the paper cutter? Do you have any red pens? Do you have any paper clips?
- Joe....
Hi Iris. Life is crazy and more than a little stressful, but thanks for asking :) That helps. You gonna be at IL? If not, MLTC in March?
- Louise Alcorn
Unfortunately, no, and no. I'll be the jealous person watching all of those flickr photos flow past.
- lris
I'll make a point of stopping in for coffee in March, then! *puts on calendar*
- Louise Alcorn
Hi, Iris. I think they like you. I think they're also noticing an influx of librarians here on FF, as am I. Are you new, or am I oblivious? And Derrick's right. You're lovely!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Louise, you look just like my late, very adored Bubbish - 1989-2004! Died of kidney failure, a complication of type II diabetes - he loved the people food a little too much.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Hi Mary. Nope, I'm not new. Been around these parts for a couple years now. Nice to meet you.
- lris
lol, MaryB, it took me a minute to realize you weren't insulting me - I forgot my avatar is a cat! LOL. That is my beloved Molly (1993-2002). I miss her muchly. She was very photogenic. More so than I, hence the avatar.
- Louise Alcorn
My husband was saying the other day that the next time we have an opening we should look for a pair that match Molly and Bubbish. They really are elegant-looking, I think, and Bubbish was incredibly loving. From my phone
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from email
Iris, you are lovely. I too will not be attending IL and watching all of those flickr photos...Your library has great light!
- Eric Sizemore
When I'm working out in the desert, I always look inside my shoes before putting them on. You know, to make sure no one moved in for the charming ambiance during the night. If you don't look at the toilet, how do you know there's not a spider in there?
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
ok....I can agree and say after using the bathroom I can put the seat down out of consideration of my wife(female), why is the inverse not true? After using the bathroom why can't the female raise the seat so the male can use the bathroom w/o having "to look"
- jamar78
For fairness... We hit the center of the bowl... Why should I have to touch the seat to lift it up where someone else has just laid monkey mustard?
- Johnny Worthington
I once dreamed up an invention that was a small compressed air piston that would fire when the flush button was pressed. It would knock the seat down into the "default" position...
- Johnny Worthington
Amen, Ha3rvey. I've never *not* looked, even in the middle of the night. But I also tend to put the lid down before I flush (to, er, contain the particles [/germophobe] lol). I figure it starts everyone off on an even playing field of having to lift something.
- PENGUIN: MAJOR CAPS LOCK
Dear Penguin, *unsub* I should not have to look. ;)
- Michelle Martinez
Put the cover down, that's what it's for. If you don't have a cover, move the hell out of the gas station and get a real house. :)
- Cristo
And girls, if you don't leave the cover down, I'm going to pee on the seat during the night.
- Cristo
Your hands are going to be dirty after the seat is down anyway!
- Michelle Martinez
Thank you, Penguin. Everybody else is all, "Ha3rvey must be crazy," until they actually look in there and see one.
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
In all seriousness, I find it kinda crazy to sit before looking. I've also seen many instances where this habit carried over into women sitting on stuff for no apparent reason. "Now where *IS* that remote?!"
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
The difference being that if we don't lift the lid up, you guys don't end up falling into the damn toilet. Meanwhile we end up with a wet ass.
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
I don't normally look at my own house. In public, yes. I should not have to look at home.
- Michelle Martinez
Michelle, best solution for that is not to have men in the house.
- Cristo
yes only one of us needs the seat up so if you put it up and we have to put it down we have no issues with that. We just want to know that both genders will accomadate the other. The whole I should have to look back prior to using the bathroom is not suffice b/c if we said the same and used the bathroom in the dark in the middle of the night and pee'd on the seat we'd catch Hell. So to avoid that occurring lift the seat for us and we'd likewise lower the seat in response.
- jamar78
Cristo, I have tried to kick them out, but they won't take no for an answer :)
- Michelle Martinez
I was always taught to keep the cover down. What's the problem with that? If the cover is not down when you leave the bathroom, it's rude, regardless of the position of the seat.
- Cristo
In the end, the only person's actions you can really control are your own. No matter what should or should not be.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Look at it this way: If you are trying to sell your house, and you have people coming to look at it, do you keep the seat up? You would not, It looks bad.
- Michelle Martinez
Michelle, I wouldn't leave it down either without the cover down.
- Cristo
The toilet was invented in 1596. It has been a public used since 1775. All this time... if you don't look where your sitting, don't bitch about it. Thank you. This has been a sponsored message from The Considerate Seat. http://www.celebratelove.com/littlet...
- CW™
Lid down. That's the rule in our house. Otherwise the cat drinks the toilet water.
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
Lid up or down.. toilet paper rolling from the back or front.. it all seems to make more sense when cats are involved.
- Rodfather
I always put the seats down but, perhaps oddly, my Mum leaves them up! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
But it's easier to do the business when the lid is open... otherwise it'll be a mess :o
- Jemm
I grew up in a house of sisters, I was trained well. However, if there came a time when I got bitched at for forgetting one time in a hundred, I would put the lid down too next time as that was not also the custom *grin* But I had "put it down" so they couldn't bitch.
- Michael W. May
hygenically speaking lid down is best (before flushing), and 36% of japenese men pee sitting down, :o
- chaz2b
Just got a job teaching courses at a local technical school. It isn't my dream of teaching at Berkeley, but it is teaching at the post secondary level.
Yep, I'll be working two jobs. I'm teaching a couple of courses on Dreamweaver, but I'm most excited about the courses on human factors, usability, and information architecture.
- cecily
I swear, sometimes I want to drag people by the scruff of their neck into a week-long in-person class entitled "How to not be a Jerk at Work: Being nice to people will get you a lot further in the end"
I really don't understand that attitude... Dead in the water today and asked someone who wrote the component I am having trouble with (and probably the only one who can fix my problem) for help today and was rudely blown off with no other resource to turn to. I would say I hope that I'm in a position to withhold help from him someday when he needs it, but I am actually a nice person and...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
Indeed, LIndsay, you ARE a nice person. :) Best of luck to you on solving that problem. Sometimes it takes going over people's heads.
- Josh Haley
Thanks, Josh. Yeah, the worst part about it is that I'm in a "boss transition" right now so I wasn't sure who to go to... My new boss is official on Monday... I ended up going to them both. Maybe two people on the problem will get it solved faster! (yeah, right!).
- Her Lindsay-ness
Lindsay: He's mean to you because he has a crush on you. Does he sometimes pull your hair? Or maybe eat Elmer's glue to try and impress you?
- Morgan Haley
LOL! Funny thing is, he's one of those people who I know his name and I probably know what he looks like (I think he sits a few cubes over from me) but any communication we've had so far has been via IM (and usually not a pleasant experience) so I couldn't tell you who he is walking down the hall. I try to avoid him when I can (and most people in his department because they're all like that for some reason... I think it is a hiring criteria for that department to act like a jerk to everyone else).
- Her Lindsay-ness
It's harder to be mean in person. I'd try finding someone that knows him that you know and have them convey the message. I'm not sure that being nicer to people will always get you further in the end though. Sometimes it can result in people sucking up all of your time.
- Cristo
I have to deal with someone like that, and I agree with Cristo, the more "personal" I make the communication, the more likely he is to actually be responsive. Face to face > phone > IM > email. Believe me, he's the last person I want to have an actual conversation with (he speaks in angry monotone 3 single syllable word sentences), but if I need him to do something, it's the only way it will happen. Emails and IMs are ignored. Fortunately the phone works with this guy so I don't need to see his face.
- Jason Wehmhoener
And yeah, sometimes the "boss route" is unavoidable, but it sucks because it makes direct communication harder in the future.
- Jason Wehmhoener
@Cristo, I'm busy and I don't always have time to help people either, but when I don't I will usually give them at least one if not several other people they could get in touch with to help fix their problem, or point them to documentation that might help them out... I don't let people suck my time away when they can fix a problem themselves, but I also don't slam the door in their face...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
Lindsay, I'd respond to your comment but I'm kinda busy right now. Maybe Alex can handle this one. :)
- Cristo
Being mean and nasty and rude is a sure fire way have your super duper important, priority one, gotta have it fixed right now computer problem put at the back of my trouble ticket stack for the day.
- Got Love For DB™?
It starts at home - I'd write their parents a letter: "Dear parents of A-hole Co-woker: why did you raise such a self entitled jerk? Warmest regards, Concerned functioning human in society."
- Mona Nomura
The component that I need help with is written in decade's old technology in a language that you basically have to be a masochist to want to work in anymore (there are much better options these days) so my personal theory is that that whole team must enjoy that pain and angst and use whatever opportunity they can to take out that frustration on others. It's like working with caged...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
What's it written in? C or C++? Those are still great languages, if used correctly. Of course, the MS libraries suck, but that's true in C# too. ;)
- Cristo
Bleagh. I don't know if I've ever seen that many cross-sections of the human body. Certainly not at one time!
- Spidra Webster
Wow, took a few passes for me to realize the progression there.
- Kevin L
One of the very first images in the sequence, of the top of the head, looks like pancetta. If that isn't awesome, I don't know what is.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Edythe, you made this yourself, right? Genius!
- Stephen Mack
oh, no, no! I didn't make this. I found it on Soup's feed -- http://friendfeed.com/soup... -- and not sure where she got it or if she made it.
- edythe
Hai directeur! Not belated at all, it's today (it's 5:53pm here) -- thanks!
- Jorge Escobar
You guys make me want to learn Japanese. Way overdue anyway. I speak one of the few other agglutinative languages in the world (Hungarian), so might as well learn another.
- Adrian
"SILKY straight hair has long been considered by many black women to be their crowning glory. So what if getting that look meant enduring the itchy burning that’s a hallmark of many chemical straighteners. Or a pricey dependence on “creamy crack,” as relaxers are sometimes jokingly called. Getting “good hair” often means transforming one’s tightly coiled roots; but it is also more freighted, for many African-American women and some men, than simply a choice about grooming. Straightening hair has been perceived as a way to be more acceptable to certain relatives, as well as to the white establishment. “If your hair is relaxed, white people are relaxed,” the comedian Paul Mooney, sporting an Afro, says in the documentary “Good Hair,” which won a jury prize at the Sundance film festival and comes out in October. “If your hair is nappy, they’re not happy.”"
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
I think that may be true to a certain extent in the US, but I've never found anyone to have any trouble with my hair here in Vancouver. If they have had trouble with it -- and let's be real, I'm sure some people haven't liked it -- they've been nice enough to keep it to themselves. When I was in library school, I worried that having dreads would make it difficult for me to get jobs, but my hair never stood in my way.
- cecily
Honestly, I am jealous of that hair type... it stands up to all kinds of weather, hats, and seems to require a lot less day-to-day maintenance than my "good hair". I would love to have hair that looked the same even after sleeping on it!
- Her Lindsay-ness
I wish more women would just keep it real and stop burning up their hair. A woman with natural hair gains bonus points with me, and it's not just because of the hair.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I'm glad the article pointed out how it seems that no matter how a black woman wears her hair, some people view it as a political statement. In my last job, there was a white lady who would be curly-headed brunette on Monday, long, straight auburn on Wednesday and a bobbed blond by Friday. Yet, if I wore my braids for 6 weeks, then a 'fro for 2 weeks, it was *I* who went through a lot...
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- Anika
I suppose I might have subconscious preferences towards hair that is more like that of my immediate family, but I certainly don't feel like I care much about anyone's hair. Don't go messing with it on my account.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
What Lindsay said is pretty much what everyone said growing up, and throw my high school, etc. It rocks to be a Puerto Rican...sometimes ._.
- Ed F
Good point about the "making a political statement" thing, Anika.
- Ayşe E.
btw does anyone *not* think the hair in all three of those photos above looks nice? I especially like #3 but I have no idea how much effort goes into maintaining any of the above looks. I get a trim every 6-8 weeks and then spend about ten seconds brushing every morning.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Here's a link to the trailer for the Chris Rock documentary, "Good Hair." http://ff.im/6TTa8
- Derrick
Oh, well, I remember white girls in Norway going crazy with their curlers in the 80s, and the cool chicks with dreads in the 90s. It´s partly to do with trends, don´t you think ? That said, people can do what they want, but I hope nobody does it because of shame of what they naturally look like. I like a real nubian queen.:)
- Thomas Bøhm
All that I will say is that I miss the big 'fros (black and white) from the 1970s. They're rarely spotted today...
- John E. Bredehoft
The report I really want to see from the times would be about why most black hair care stores are run by Asians.
- Kamilah Gill
from email
Still, I guess straightened hair keeps stupid white people from touching it all the time ;) When I was younger I had a mate from Gambia who I admit doing this to ever so often. (But I was a kid!) No wonder he suddenly started shaving his head.
- Thomas Bøhm
+++Thomas. And Lindsay, it just not like that. It's still high maintenance. You don't just wake up and go. Even with my dreadlocks, I have to do daily maintenance.
- Anika
Ok, I'm misinformed then... but you have to admit it stands up to wind and humidity MUCH BETTER than my limp requires-a-bunch-of-products-just-to-get-a-little-body fine hair. I would love to be able to ride in a car with open windows (or a convertible or a motorcycle for that matter) and not worry about how my hair looked when I arrived wherever I was going.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Once again, not true. If I was wearing an Afro with wind blowing at me, it will be unkempt. Humidity just makes it frizz way more. Hats? Forget it. Once again, even with dreads, if I wear a hat or a scarf, I'm not taking that off until I get home. I had to use a lot of products in my hair even when I wore it natural.
- Anika
Because they see a business opportunity, Kamilah? Because they know that black women spend more on hair than any other ethnic group (I think the last statistic I heard was something like black women make up 80% of the purchases in the hair care market)? Plus, they also have community networks in place so that when people emigrate to the US, they can get a business started up without having to go to banks to ask for loans. It isn't nefarious - it's business.
- cecily
Meanwhile, my boss is a white guy with an Egyptian background. His kids all have full heads of curly hair. He chemically straightens his and slicks it back. You'd never know he would look more like the ladies in these pictures if he didn't do anything...
- Louis Gray
Actually, it doesn't stand up to wind better, just differently. When I'm on my bike or scooter, I tuck the ends of my dreads under my helmet to protect them from wind damage. Humidity just makes natural, unprocessed hair "draw up" (it's like a sponge), so in many ways it gets more tangled and more difficult to work with. Unprocessed black hair is extremely fragile. We just have different methods of dealing with it than white folk. :)
- cecily
That reminds me...gotta fix my weave...
- sofarsoShawn
My brorther has very curly, kinky hair, He manages it by keeping it extremely short. I remember white kids making fun of his afro when we first arrived in the US. As soon as he got to really make decisions about his hair, he went short and has kept it like that ever since.
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
Oh, and Freepers? FUCK YOU for picking on an 11-year-old girl. Bastards.
- cecily
i think black hair *is* political (in the personal-is-political sense) though. it's still viewed with suspicion and disdain in some quarters, both black and white. there is a history behind *why* we straighten our hair. and yeah, i think there is something radical and self-loving about not doing it.
- tiffany
Cecily, I said nothing about black hair stores being run by Asians being nefarious. I just wonder why specifically Asians (I guess mostly Koreans?) tend to get into the business. If it's such a good opportunity, why haven't some other groups gotten into it more? Where do they get all these special connections? Why is there not a bridge between whatever it is that they're doing and local blacks? It's all too shrouded in mystery. Maybe there's a language/culture barrier.
- Kamilah Gill
I stopped straightening my hair when I moved to Vancouver out of necessity. The one time I got my hair straightened here, the woman who did it did such a horrible job that I really didn't have a choice but to cut it off. I could've done an afro, but I am a klutz when it comes to handling clippers. When I went natural in Atlanta, it was because the only hairdresser I trusted to do my...
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- cecily
anika & tiffany: i like your comments about the "political statement"/"politics." Cecily: 80% of the hair care purchasing market?!!!! Wowsa. That's a huge percentage. And even if that figure isn't totally accurate, just the idea that black women make up the lion's share of hair care purchases is pretty eye-opening. Especially considering the kind of money some women's magazines (Lucky)...
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- edythe
“If your hair is relaxed, white people are relaxed. If your hair is nappy, they’re not happy.”" Ha!
- edythe
That number is also huge considering how tiny/non-existent "ethnic" hair care products are in stores. The Target nearby just halved their offerings, no longer selling the 4 products I used to use.
- Anika
Definitely agree with tiffany about not straightening your hair being "radical" and "self-loving." I'd also add "sexy" and "powerful."
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I just read the Henry Louis Gates essay "In the Kitchen" about hair, it was very interesting.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
I wish my hair would let me do something with it.. Sadly, 1 cowlick and 2 or 3 strong crowns mean I can't do anything without it looking horrible. I guess this might be why it is giving up and falling out on me ;)
- alphaxion
anika, to your point: yes. i was just using several hair products and showering and so forth and i was thinking about how small the section for black/other hair is at the Eagle Rock Target. And also how unattractive most of the packaging seems to me.
- edythe
Yes the packaging tends to be unattractive, and I dislike the way that our hair products are segregated from the other stuff like there's something abnormal about us. While I'm on the subject, I don't like having a separate section for "African American issues and fiction" books at the bookstore, either. No other group gets separated out that way. Maybe a display to help find the books, or a list or something, but having them separate from other books probably narrows the potential audience considerably.
- Kamilah Gill
Cecily pretty much nailed it as to how black hair behaves. Mine is much like that although I have more of a mix (genetically and color-wise now, black and white), so a bit less kink, a bit more fine, fly-away, I'll-do-what-I-want hair. So letting it go natural works for both me, and my hair. :) I've never worried too much about whether my hair was a political statement or not, though others might have thought it was when I was coloring, straightening, or otherwise torturing it.
- Bette Cooper
Since I'm a child of the 60's and 70's, I always "suffered" with very curly hair. The other girls wore it very long, and ironed it....yes, with an iron....but there was no way I could do that. I loved the 70's when the Afro was in because that I could do with no problem. For whatever reason, straight hair has always been the desired for years now. Now, I wear it short and curly and...
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- Bonnie Foster
+10 for natural hair. Personally, I'd just like to have a little more. :oP
- Ken Morley
I think I should be worried. My 3 yo just asked me, "Mama, why is that (edit!) man pointing at Barack Obama?" How does my 3yo recognize Obama from behind? o.O
- Anika
I call Scoble by the nickname "that" all the time
- Steve Rubel
LOL I fixed it. This heat is making me drop words all the time.
- Anika
People recognize Michael Jordan's silhouette too - remember the cologne logo?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
"How does my 3yo recognize Obama from behind?" - I remember reading about a study that found that you are actuallly more likely to recognize someone from behind.
- John Craft
Barack: Wow, look at the way that guy points. He should be president, not me. Who is he? No, never heard of him. I know an Alex Scoble. Are they related?
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
Social Obama looking at a Social Robert Scoble's picture? This one is great!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
++Adrian Malone "Caption: "Unfollowed. O. Here's Why;______"
- Robert Higgins
Security Briefing: Anything goes bad during your Presidency, well... just "Blame Scoble" -that guy on the screen. Oh yeah, he's a huge geek that tweets so much the Twitter servers crash often, thus the famed "fail whale" image shows up. :) hehe!
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
I think it's just them being courteous. They are attempting to confirm success of the communication process. They also use 'Know what I'm talking about?' when inquiring. When there is a need to clarify or emphasize something they have said, they often use 'That's what I'm talking 'bout!'
- Morgan Haley
Actually, isn't it usually "kna mean?" So you're supposed to understand what they mean even if they aren't necessarily saying anything.
- Victor Ganata
*Accepting Award at Podium* "Thank you! Respect! I just want to thank Jesus. Jehova God All Mighty. For helping write my #1 hit single. It's called 'Suck Yo' Mama!'. Peace!"
- Morgan Haley
Mike: Um, like, um totally. Like, totally! I, like totally um, like know what you, um, like, mean!
- Morgan Haley
I saw an interview with some rapper a while back, can't recall who it was, and he used "knam sayin'?" like a comma. Q: "Who are your influences?" A: Lots, knam sayin'? Like Snoop Dogg, knam sayin'?, Dre, knam sayin'?, Run-DMC, knam sayin'?, James Brown an shit', knam sayin'?. Etc.
- Joey Gibson
It's the same as "you know?" and "right?" Or as in the Japanese "ne?" It's a discourse/pragmatics marker, which is sometimes exaggerated to indicate status as a member of a cultural/language group. Big deal. And there are rappers that have lots to say. White people's high rising terminal intonation ("up-speak") annoys me, like, much more?
- Christopher A Carr
if anyone here in this thread were interviewed for TV (or radio), they would be amazed and horrified how many times they um'ed and used other filler words, watching themselves on TV.
- Mike Nencetti
I work with a guy who is a pretty big deal in the art world who spent a lot of time in New York City; he said it was there that he picked up on the, "know what I mean?" which peppers his speech like the aforementioned rappers, albeit, in a very upper middle class, well-to-do type of affect.
- Derrick
I would just stare at the camera blankly. Not saying anything. Perhaps drooling a little. Just. Staring.
- Morgan Haley
It´s like when Norwegians end a statement with ", ikke sant?", which literally means ", not true?". Seeking confirmation (and actually even worse, assuming that it probably is false, heh).
- Thomas Bøhm
These are all examples of speech disfluency. It's random crap you say to keep the conversation flowing because you don't really have something to say that second, but not saying anything or silence would probably be awkward. Everyone does it, from what I can see. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Also related to conversational turn taking. Sometimes you want to stall to keep your conversational turn.
- Christopher A Carr
Well, this linguistics education of mine is occasionally good for something... ;-)
- Christopher A Carr
Ah...hadn't noticed you was all edumucated and stuff...LOL. Interesting :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Meh, not too exciting -- just a State U undergrad linguistics edumacation.
- Christopher A Carr
It's a New York thing. I'm from NY but lived in Florida for a year and everyone that said that I could tell was a New Yorker. If you've watched a few old black-and-white gangster films that take place in New York you'd hear it a lot more than you would from rappers.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Well-educated upper class Brits often lard their conversations with "yes?" -- which is essentially a synonym for "you know what I'm saying?". It seems to be a speech mannerism that cuts across all cultures. (I'm not a big fan of rap -- neo-psychedelia is my thing. But I was impressed by Public Enemy in ancient days.)
- Sean McBride
Because that's how we roll... you know what I'm sayin'? :)
- Morton Fox
"A strip club isn't the only place in town you can see a pole dance -- amazed passengers on an L train watched in awe as a naked young woman competed with straphangers for space on a pole. The performance by actress Jocelyn Saldana, 19, lasted just 30 seconds, and some of the passengers probably thought they were hallucinating or dreaming. Most were blasé. But one woman started screaming and an elderly man next to her got the shakes. That free show in mid-June -- as well as similar ones from Times Square to Chinatown -- were the creation of photographer Zach Hyman, 22, whose portraits are never under-exposed. The photographer and his volunteer models don't spend much time on location. The model quickly disrobes and Hyman gives himself only 30 seconds to fire off 10 shots with his Hasselblad 500 film camera. Alex Reisner, a 20-year-old Columbia student, had a very appreciative audience when she disrobed in Chinatown. When Hyman snapped her jumping in the air in the middle of the...
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- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
I wish I could afford to live in NYC, although part of me wonders if I would like it, or could even handle it.
- Derrick
Yeah, I don't know if I would want my naked bits touching any part of the L. I've seen people urinating, throwing up, bleeding, etc on NYC trains.
- Jason Huebel
...this kind of thing never happens on BART! the Bay Area needs more young, hot, commuting exhibitionists, I think. .LOLz!
- .LAG liked that
NYC is a special brand of awesome. it's also stressful and draining. what i love about it is that so much of the city's offerings are *world-class,* and there are so many scenes: hipsters, finance, preppy, international jet-set, 3rd-world immigrant, high art, low art, etc. i think about moving back quite often
- tiffany
"People see a naked woman and they smile," he said. "They see a penis and they freak out."
- Kenley Neufeld
I heard about some girls doing a pole dancing routine on NYC subways a little while back.
- Rafael Robayna
I'd be so grossed out. Like, "are you touching that pole? with your naked body? Ew!" germs-wise.
- anna sauce
I don't think these subway pole dancers were naked but it would be pretty nasty if they were.
- Rafael Robayna
.LAG how would one pole-dance on BART? There are no poles
- anna sauce
Wow, hard-core art. The part about the article I enjoyed the most was: "But one woman started screaming and an elderly man next to her got the shakes."
- Kittyburgers
If they start to let me pull in stuff more easily and browse it the way I can my friends on there now, potentially yes.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Nice introduction:) Next FriendFeed, maybe. If Posterous can post like FriendFeed my Google Reader shared items to Twitter I think that for me is all that I need, maybe Facebook too
- krzychukula
I love Posterous. I moved both of my Wordpress blogs over and use it exclusively by posting via Gmail. I do wish that it would allow themes similar to Tumblr.
- Lee Hebert
How can you email a file of more than 25 MB to your posterous blog? One tip I need to know.
- Amani
Is there an email address for Friendfeed? friendfeed@posterous.com doesn't work.
- Ben Hanten
I adore Posterous and see it literally as a blank slate with many options. If you look at many of the amazing ways others are using it, you realize it is the tip of the iceberg.
- Liza
The majority of those types of celebrities though just want to say something themselves. They are not interested in listening to anyone saying anything back. Sadly, for the good few we inherited once Demi had said Hi :)
- 1x29
Scoble will quit tweeting about it.
- Photar
from iPhone
What a concept! I'd like to send you a list of things to declare dead ...
- Bill Brandon
from Nambu
I guess you really don't like that Facebook bought the company.
- jef
Meryn: I had 46,000 followers here before I declared it dead. How many does a service require to be "born?"
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
By using FF, is Robert Scoble actually declaring it undead? Does that make it a zombie service? FF of the Living Dead...
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
jef: Facebook is a great company but if more than 1/10th of the team is actively working on FriendFeed in four weeks I will give $50 to the American Red Cross.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
For those that don't get it, commenting on one thread is like being all together talking and chatting about a set topic/thread [well, it is to me, anyway :)]. Saying you 'don't get it' is like walking into a group of people talking in a cafe (no coffee here though) and asking what on earth is going on. We're just talking :)
- 1x29
Robin: remember what it means when a blogger declares something dead.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
It's....dead? So we're wandering the FF mall looking for brains (and LOLcats)?
- WorldofHiglet
Robert, do you mean 1/10th of the FF team, or 1/10th of the FB team?
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
What if Facebook starts to promote it and it gets millions of users, then what? hmmmmmm
- Stephen Pickering
Steve Gillmor declared Microsoft Office dead and it went onto make billions more dollars.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Heh: the iPhone misspells Gillmor. I fixed the spelling but now I know why everyone adds an "e" onto it.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
making money and being dead are mutually exclusive
- Steve Gillmor
The *idea* of FF is not dead though. The ability to do what we can here is ALWAYS going to be required. The set up here is the closest thing we have on the internet that replicates just talking to a group of your friends. But it affords you the opportunity to get in on conversations globally on whatever interests you.
- 1x29
I believe he Steve also said RSS was dead..He likes to call things dead doesn't he? :)
- Bill Heslin
Well, I think it's dead too. At least, it never became very popular as much as Twitter, did it?
- jef
we can use the health care savings to treat twitter addicts
- Sherry Reynolds
Stephen: The problem I have with FB taking it is all the rubbish you'll no doubt get packaged with it. FF is so clean. No poking. No pointless gifts. No adopt an imaginary something. No signing up for a 3rd party app just to see what someone sent you (even if it was sent without their knowledge :))
- 1x29
Steve, will it be integrated into Facebook, and as Robert said, no one actively working on the stand alone site, or do you think the stand alone site will continue to get better?
- Stephen Pickering
jef: I get more engagement here than on Twitter and I have gotten many times more new followers here this week than on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
What the hell is wrong with you Robert? FriendFeed is still ticking away; you have no association with it and therefore no right to voice its status.
- Mitch
Lots of people became aware of it because Facebook bought it
- Stephen Pickering
jef: Twitter already and fundamentally lacks the benefits of FF though. It's might have more *users* but it's pretty much reached it's purpose already.
- 1x29
Twitter's design almost ensured 40% of tweets would be pointless. FF comments by definition are only as pointless as the conversation itself. It is inevitable that a FF type service will eclipse a twitter type service.
- 1x29
jef: my favorite Tweets come here via RSS. Both are definitely dead!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
He's more like Beelzebub to me in the matter of FriendFeed. I mean "Zuckerberg".
- jef
Mark Zuckerberg = Jesus and/or Beelzebub .....Stephen Pickering & jef.... hahahahaha
- Jeunelle Foster
I think it's amazing. I didn't know Live interaction was possible other then IM, Stephen.
- PJ Edwards
40.5% of tweets are pointless babble. what is the ratio of comments on this thread?
- Sherry Reynolds
Well, I'm quite a Twitter guy. But, yeah, RSS is definitely dead or dying.
- jef
we are exercising the power of social media, even if it's pointless
- Jeunelle Foster
FriendFeed couldn't get traction. They've married some folks who know how to get traction. And Facebook's married some folks who know how to do real time. Both services will benefit, and so will the "users" or "sharecroppers"
- Stephen Pickering
If RSS weren't dead why would Dave WIner be rebooting it? If Office isn't dead why would MS be moving to the cloud?
- Steve Gillmor
feels like I'm being mocked here, but what the hell? ;)
- jef
Who's doing the mocking? I rebuke them in the name of Jesus
- Jeunelle Foster
not mocking you, follow the thread. Pickering asked whether Office in cloud will be Office, I said not until it has a micromessage reader.
- Steve Gillmor
I'm too drunk for this thread. *forms conga line* <-----srsly on FriendFeed in club at anime convention!!! XD
- CannonGod
from iPhone
The whole "RSS is dead" is a broad sweeping statement positioned to get a rise, and meaningless without context. Why? How? What exactly does that mean "RSS is dead" Its usefulness serves people, then its very much alive.
- Benjamin Taylor
Well, I said "RSS is dead" in a view point of consumer. Do you know anyone what RSS means or does?
- jef
the context defines the meaning. It means that RSS has moved from a disruptive technology to a mature one, and is now being disrupted in turn by micromessaging
- Steve Gillmor
Makes complete sense, in that context. I had a different understanding of the meaning behind that statement.
- Benjamin Taylor
understandable given the noise from those who want to attack the messenger
- Steve Gillmor
The best thing? It's somehow reassuring to see just how passionate the FFish subset of folks is about community.
- Kathy Fitch
yes Kathy, by contrast FF continues to disrupt, and particularly a willing Facebook.
- Steve Gillmor
Just made the original comment because of the "dead" thing in Robert's post and your RSS is dead comment from awhile back was the first thing that came to mind. I'm actually glad I said it now, because I understand your position on that comment much more now Steve. And btw, is there plans for Gillmor Gang to come back, or has it come back already and I just missed it? Thanks
- Bill Heslin
WIll have something to say about that RSN Bill
- Steve Gillmor
Is RSS a zombie now? or is it still too early to tell... by the way, dead = no productivity innovation happening, imho
- Alberto Saavedra
from Nambu
BTW, what kind of understanding did you have on "RSS is dead", Ben? Just out of curiosity.
- jef
Steve: Nothing. I was asking Robert :) Its news to me that he said that. I think this is the early adopter's early adopter's view.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Robert didn't declare FF dead in the title to this post. He's giving a list of implications of it being "declared dead by Scoble." It's a subjunctive use of the phrase - something imagined, a thought experiment.
- Nick in Manila
Ah. Right. I think there is life in the old girl yet....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
9. You can move back in with your blog. Ya'll can get married and live happily ever after.
- Stephen Pickering
That is good... Robert's back to blogging thing didint last very long....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
not dead, but honnestly it will make some return to coding and this is good.
- abdellah
So RSS is dead, Twitter is about to be pronounced dead, and Robert Scoble is declaring FriendFeed "dead". What would we have then?
- jef
Blogging. Which, really? Also dead. I think all we have left is wikis, email, and cocktail napkins.
- Sean Gallagher
Honestly. Declaring something "dead" because it doesn't have that new-car-smell anymore, and somebody's trying to, heaven forbid, *commercialize it* is just a sign of tech-ADD. CORBA was supposed to be dead, but it's still alive. COBOL was supposed to be dead, but MicroFocus is still making money. Hell, even DOS isn't dead, or filesharing, or the music industry, or old media. They just don't have that magical infinite potential of the blank piece of paper anymore.
- Sean Gallagher
Punch cards are a valid storage format. I bet I could do RSS on punchcards.
- Sean Gallagher
Sean: Rss benefited at the beginning of this cycle, and it made a huge difference. This is happening now with realtime. Your last sentence would only be improved by removing the word "just." Don't know what the "commercialized" reference means, nothing wrong with any of this making money. Oh and the music industry -- that's just plain dead.
- Steve Gillmor
:-))First time that I can enjoy the dead ,Today I checked the new tools of Google reader and they are doing well ,,, Wave is coming and we can all feel it
- Johni Fisher
"the last time the music industry died, the Beatles showed up - Steve Gillmor " I'm ready for the Beatles!! Bring 'em on!
- Amy Flynn
wondering when gwave is going to be dead
- Jim Posner
Ashton, Oprah and Ellen will finally sign up.
- Erik Boles
Ellen would be cool...keep the other two....lol
- Bill Heslin
Jim, it needs to be alive first :-) so, anytime after October or whenever KISS apps arrive to Wave platform
- Alberto Saavedra
Zombies, says @RobinDotNet? We have ways of dealing with zombies, both on a computer system and in real life. (wonder if the new Tron remake will have zombie processes...)
- Don Faulkner
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Declaring it dead means we all feel sorry for it, and use it all the more! (resurrection syndrome)
- Sandra Large
10: Scoble no longer has to pretend that his "followers" are "friends". Facebook will make it so.
- Phil Calvin
It is far from dead. But we will not get all the Bots and the security issues that Twitter has
- Rob Cairns
Hey I wanna Sue FacePOOP fer Giving me da Boot! Can U recommend a Razor Sharp Lawyer!!
- Billy Warhol
i stopped recommending friendfeed. This place is just way too cool to share it with others ;)
- Sascha Pallenberg
a collapse into FB by FF beyond feature cherry picking would seem rather myopic... think FB Labs to foil Google Labs and push leading edge adoption that is a safe distance from the close fisted FB silo -- sizzle and promise at a controlled feature grafting rate
- Jay Cuthrell
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