"Do you always need to reboot the computer and/or start Windows Task Manager? Look no further than Ctrl+Alt+Del, a handy tool which does just that and nothing more."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Is it sad that I've been Ctrl+Alt+Del for over 15 years I never thought to use the delete key by the number pad? on a mac now, so I guess I have an excuse, but wow...
- WiseYoda (aka Patrick)
lol i want - i also want a windows-e version plz
- Allen Stern
WiseYoda, or the one-handed Ctrl+Alt+Delt, is the Ctrl+Alt on the right with the closest Del button. Gosh, I'm such a geek. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I always love a good analog solution!
- Ciaoenrico
This is going on my Xmas list now! :-D
- Phil Harrison
Are u still using this combination for freezing Windows Operating system :) ahahahahaha
- Bahaeddin [ MacinLife ]
Windows still freezes? What, are you using 98?
- Jeremy
Do not start with your comparably crappywise OS7,6 of same days !
- Acharad Sami VanJoulee
This is pretty funny. Oh, and I had no idea that that using the numpad '.' for del overrode the Num Lock when doing CTRL+ALT+DEL. Interesting. I can already do the one-handed three finger salute quite quickly, though. Plenty of training and all.
- Chieze Okoye
Whenever I am on Twitter my gf never fails to remind me how stupid and pointless she thinks it is
- Holden Page
So someone in *your* family doesn't grok Twitter either. My brother says he'll never even set up a Twitter account at all; he sees no point either. Apparently these people see the words "What are you doing?" above the text box and think it's nothing but the Facebook status update without Facebook. Some people just don't get it at all...
- Dennis Jernberg
In *my* family (asterisks per Dennis), most of them use Facebook. Nobody else uses Twitter at all.
- Louis Gray
in my family everyone uses Facebook as well, my mom has a twitter account, she never touches it, she thinks it is dumb.
- Holden Page
Sure enough, Facebook is exactly what everybody in my family but me uses, too! Well, I'm on Facebook too, but I don't use it like they do. For one thing, I don't play any of the games; I hide them instead. And none of them has even heard of FriendFeed...
- Dennis Jernberg
hahaha that is epic!! Twittter got dissed by Ms Gray :D
- Susan Beebe
My family is the same. Twitter is pointless to them. There's so much more than just status updates to them.
- Jesse Stay
Well, I don't get Twitter either. Anyone want to explain it to me?
- Cristo
It's not fun when you sign up and have no friends / people to interact with...and all the interesting people only talk to each other. All my friends didn't "see a point" until they built their own network(s). Just sayin'
- Mona Nomura
My wife is also that way, btw - I may *just* be able to get her to join FourSquare though.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, it took a lot of work, but i got my gf to join FriendFeed haha
- Holden Page
As if Twitter is some brilliant thing that only a certain so-called tech crowd gets.
- Cristo
My sister has known that I've used Twitter for several years now. Whenever I brought it up, that was her reaction, "Don't get it. Don't see the point." She created an account a month or so ago and she's totally into it now. When I asked her what made the difference, she shrugged and said she wasn't sure. "Your friends started using it, didn't they?" I asked her. "Yes." heh. :D
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
Why don't you guys go have this conversation on Twitter? :)
- Cristo
Pfff. Cristo, you know full well twitter can't deal with the c word. :)
- Micah Wittman
I will make the bold prediction that most of my brothers and sisters will never join or use Twitter. I have one brother that does, occasionally, but the rest will never, ever use it. There's no point when they can get the same thing from Facebook and more.
- Jesse Stay
Re Mona: I myself didn't even bother to sign up for Twitter till this last June, when I discovered an existing online songwriting community I belong to had a Twitter presence. That's when I set up my account and started to use Twitter. Then I found that some of the NaNoWriMo offshoots I take part in also had a Twitter presence. That was the beginning. Since then I've built up a much...
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- Dennis Jernberg
my girlfriend has no interest in it either. she uses facebook for all her net communication needs and is quite happy...
- Terry O'Fee
I got all my friends to sign up for Twitter, all found it pointless. So, I really don't get the point either. I'll delete mine too. :D
- Faraz Mullick
Only a few of my real-life friends are even on Facebook, and the ones that are rarely update. The social web can be pretty disappointing sometimes.
- Michael Slattery
from iPhone
Most everyone I know is on Facebook now, with a few exceptions that refuse to use much of anything on the internet except for youtube and blogs. Nobody gets the point of twitter, especially with facebook/friendfeed offering the same type of communication options, if not more. However, the nice thing about twitter/friendfeed is that it's searchable. The other day I was watching the events from Fort Hood unfold on twitter. I couldn't do that easily on facebook. That's where twitter shines.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
My Second Life avatar started on Twitter in the good old days, when everyone you followed followed you back. But my real life account has about 20 followers, so it only really works as a reader - and that rocks.
- Michael Slattery
from iPhone
second life.. i read books like snow crash, get excited and find SL nothing like it ;)
- Terry O'Fee
If new users have no followers and fail to get the reader part, of course they stop. And the statistics confirm that.
- Michael Slattery
from iPhone
I do agree. It is really difficult to convince someone to use twitter. And even if I do, they don't stay active on the service. They too state "I don't see any point in the service". Often are the times when they are convincing me it is nothing but a blog platform with 140 characters limit.
- Amit
I've learned that it's not a good idea to try to convince friends to join Twitter. Unless they get it, they will simply annoy you with Facebook style Tweets. Better to seek out Twitter users who have learned the knack of posting interesting Tweets.
- Jimmy Walker
If she doesn't get it, or anyone else for that matter, be glad they're on their way. Twitter never worked for me either and I'm happily not participating as well.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I just realized I've been forgetting to tell them to start by following interesting people and not even think about posting their own tweets for the first little while (Robert's advice) - I wonder if that would make more of a difference.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
My 25 year old brother said the same thing.
- Rochelle
+Mona I think there is a follower critical mass that needs to be achieved (of real interacting/interesting people) before anyone 'gets' Twitter
- JSNFLMNG
from iPod
I see Twitter as another information portal, and a social channel (albeit limited). For those things it's great. I don't use facebook all that much, but it's good to chat with old friends to say howdy and share current happenings. I'm me no matter what social hub I'm on, but the local laws/rules/community etiquette fits my preferences better in some virtual hangouts.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
My daughter of about the same age also got and shortly thereafter canceled a twitter account.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Twitter is useful as a minimalist news broadcasting system. Twitter is worse than useless as a medium for conversation. I mostly use Twitter in combination with Topsy searches to pluck off the most interesting news stories of the day on selected topics. Without Topsy, I would stop using Twitter entirely because of the information overload.
- Sean McBride
Mona's point is pretty much spot on. I kind of "imported" a Revision 3 forum network into Twitter, which led to FriendFeed, which had sort of a recursive bend back into Twitter, which led to finding Twitter recommendations, which then opened me up to following people from IRL, and then...ah crap. I've stopped using Twitter as much, though, because Facebook is where the people I CARE about really are. And in case you're wondering, I'm friends with Mona on Facebook ;)
- Mike Nayyar
I've hit a wall trying to get my friends to sign up for Twitter. It's like they've got an image issue. Whenever I try to explain it's value for news and as RSS replacement, people sort of stop listening. They're left thinking it's Facebook without the "fun stuff," which is lesser and redundant for them.
- Jeremiah Green
Is it fair to say that the tweets related to tech news that some folks think are so wonderful and important are primarily links to web sites, blogs, new articles, and so on produced by someone other than the tweeter? So far as I've seen, subscribing to, say, all the employees of a company doesn't produce much news about the company; instead you see posts about where the employees ate lunch and stuff like that. Of course I may just not be looking at the right people.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Unless you have a defined business strategy, there really is not much point to Twitter, unless you just want to connect for fun, which is under my business strategy :)
- Steve Borgman
Actually I don't see the point either, but I'm still here :)
- scott willeke
I keep a Twitter account just for a case of emergency, because it gets translated everywhere, and their mobile client is the lightest.
- 9000
I have all three FB, FF and Twitter - FB is for people I know personally save very few exceptions, FF & Twiiter overlap and are people I tend to follow but I dont know from adam - I prefer FF tho . I now have GW as of last night but am still struggling to get the hang of it- will lose my twitter acct I think
- viki saigal
SuezanneC has summed twitter up quite well. None of my family use twitter, took me ages to 'get it' but although my family all use Facebook, I don't like it. I stay to keep in touch with them.
- Sandra Large
It is very hard to keep motivated with all the bots, spam, ads, slaves and etc. Don't feel bad if you make mistakes because this is a new thing that is evolving underneath the feet of everyone on it. Like a quick sand that none of my family understand and I'm finding month to month that the growth of twitter it is getting more chaotic and the numbers of fake profiles is increasing, but...
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- Christopher Scott Ostini
I can't say this is the first time I've posted these (probably not). But no major surprises. This also debunks Mona's comment previously that I didn't like her enough.
- Louis Gray
I am also glad that those I follow have a much lower percentage of activity coming from Twitter. Diversity FTW. (See Scoble for his example: http://friendfeed.com/e...)
- Louis Gray
Louis Gray doesn't find me interesting! sniff...first Scoble says I have no signal, now this. That's it, I quit the internet.
- Sarah Perez
Any one can game the system. Just go to Mona's feed and 'Like' every post. You aren't fooling anyone, Louis... Oh and Happy Festivus! ;)
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Hi Sarah, you're wrong. And guess what, your picture is going in my very next blog post!
- Louis Gray
Bump for the good times - remember when we had FriendFeed Stats? (Louis is a great database of FF history)
- Jesse Stay
I ranked # 1. Those were the days :)
- Mike Fruchter
OMG Amani! And Shevonne (HOTTIE)!! And Mark! And Mark!! And DERRICK!! And your GORGEOUS kids!!!!! Thanks for sharing!! *edit: Should I be scared I named you guys w/out looking at the caption? I think I have a problem...
- Mona Nomura
Thanks to Anika and her husband for hosting. We had a great time. And for the record...Derrick is everything you think he is AND a bag of chips.
- Mark Krynsky
Depends on what you think he is tho...
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Derrick's ok. Mark K. tried to get me drunk on some South African booze that was discovered by monkeys. No joke. Everyone was the bee's knees, and if you aren't following them, you should. They will enrich your FF experience.
- Derrick
I was a little bummed we didn't have Mo & Morgan though but we're already talking about a 3rd meetup and I already volunteered to host it.
- Mark Krynsky
This pic turned out nice. It was that camera of yours Mark. That was fun and the traffic getting there didn't even aggravate me. Derrick's ok too! LOL... ;-)
- Amani
This pic reminds me of Rajasthan, India. We went to see an old fort and a bunch of monkeys were hanging around. I bought a bag of peanuts to feed the monkeys. As I was throwing peanuts to the monkeys af few at a time, a huge monkey ran to me and grab the whole bag of peanuts out of my hand! BAD MONKEY! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
http://ff.im/5LtFU "In the recent past of the tribes of New Guinea and Australia, little brothers and sisters witnessed how parents killed one of their siblings and made the rest of the family share the cannibal feast. “They eat the head first”, wrote Géza Róheim in Psychoanalysis and anthropology published in 1950. Gillian Gillison observed in Between culture and fantasy: a New Guinea highlands mythology, published in 1993, that the mother eats the son’s penis."
- Noah David Simon
it appears they have Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate... or it is as real as his American digital version. the monkeys are still in denial
- Noah David Simon
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_rel... Humans related to orangutans, not chimps, says new Pitt, Buffalo Museum of Science study... which explains a few things about you Igor. Orangutans have orgies of multiple men ejaculating in one female. Chimps are more likely to be monogamous. Gorillas have harems of women and the dominant Gorillas beat up on the queer ones.
- Noah David Simon
I put together some feeds that are "mainstream" ...a lot of offensive stuff. mostly popular science community and tech culture. not always bad... but I didn't want it in my main feed. not endorsed but worth checking out
- Noah David Simon
saw this video on the National Geographic Channel about the "Stick Men" of Africa. they have this ritual which is kind of like a Bar Mitzvah: the kid has to walk on Cattle backs and then they take the kid's sisters and beat them with sticks till they bleed... while the sisters dance. the women consider it an honor to be beaten for their brother's manhood ceremony. I wonder if I can talk my sister into that?
- Noah David Simon
i am still waiting to meet your sister, when she is coming to japan?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
...she has been to Japan on numerous occasions actually
- Noah David Simon
not sure if I like your use of mybloglog. I found a little trick with mybloglog. you can just put a script in and see who from that network came by. that is why I killed the actual widget that slows the page down. I'm attempting minimalism. that is why I killed all commenting. if I want people's opinions then I put a friendfeed widget in manually. I also undid everything. I literally...
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- Noah David Simon
Yes, I track people who visit my blog via myblod widget, that is what it is for. The person visiting a blog that has my log widget must be logged in into theor myblog to be tracked! My blog has always been minimalized. I told you about this one year ago, but you did not want to listen and put all kind of crap on yours. If it takes long time to load, people leave. I also put myblog widget in IFRAME html tag, so it does not effect blog loading! Even when myblog is down, blog louds no problem!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
yes... you were right. ...but also you don't need the widget to put the script in. you can still track people covertly
- Noah David Simon
True, but I also like to show my visitors who visit my site, and give my visitors credit for visiting the site! not really tracking anyone! ;-)
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
l0ckergn0me it isn't twitter that I want to spam. it is facebook. but I'm starting to think it is a bad idea. I get a lot of people commenting by status updates on facebook. most people aren't bright enough to use lists. I'm starting to think just a loop I create each day might be a better idea. when I get comments I just delete the wasted ones.
- Noah David Simon
also Igor. I'd rather give people a way to follow your fanpage then mybloglog. you can track them better if they become your fan.
- Noah David Simon
interesting. networked blogs used an image from the blog. check out my home page. I REALLY Like networked blogs. it really punctuates a facebook fanpage well http://simonstudio.com/ark
- Noah David Simon
"Bulverism is a logical fallacy in which, rather than proving that an argument is wrong, a person instead assumes it is wrong, and then goes on to explain why the other person held that argument. It is essentially a circumstantial ad hominem argument. The term "Bulverism" was coined by C. S. Lewis. It is very similar to Antony Flew's "Subject/Motive Shift"." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... sound like a certain strategy from Sean McBride? I think so
- Noah David Simon
why are you promoting people who support Gaza Igor? why are you supporting a woman who has defamed Israel?
- Noah David Simon
I am amazed - getting a link - there you are. Reading a new story. Is it supposed to be like this.- I thought my name was there automatically. Elly Sorensen
- Elly Sorensen
http://ff.im/7zlOK "Can an interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain a confession?" was the follow-up question posed to the Islamic cleric. Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is...
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- Noah David Simon
#ShanaTovahttp://www.nytimes.com/2009... you know it is bad if the nazis at the NYTimes even printed it. Is this one of those Aha moments for us regarding the NGOs? I've been following this for months on the blogs, but I never thought this story would get picked up by MSM. yes people it is real! the human rights groups and the UN were...
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- Noah David Simon
this show is genius (always sunny in philidelphia)
- chaz2b
I think this is a preview from the new season starting in September. I cannot wait, been a fan of the show since episode 1. Hundred Dollar Baby is probably my favorite episode. (Where Dee and Charlie get hooked on steroids)
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
What Rahsheen said...............Not cute or funny. That looks a bit distressing for the cat. Not cool to make any animal perform. Comedy like this is fine as long as it naturally occurs, when animals appear to do humorous things but this.......no.
- Kevin J Hatton
I think ppl can make childish jokes to their pet, lover, roommates or parents etc. but when u film and share that act to make other ppl laught, it becomes a little mean.it can even be said an "abuse".
- elodeon
This is like saying KKK is the true representation of Christianity. Throughout the history we have seen religious and racial killings of all sorts. Were the Germans born in middle east and followers of Islam? How about Rawanda? Were they Muslim too? The list is very long...My point is that these things happen everywhere and in every religion. They call it jihad, another group calls it...
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- Iraj
I want people to see what Radical Muslims are doing. I am not spreading hate against Muslim people!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I totally agree that what these guys have done is way over the top. I assure you the much larger Muslim community cannot even kill a fly and hate these acts even more than others because it makes them all look bad. I have noticed that you are always posting pro-Jews and anti-Muslims content. I think a better use of these forums is to build friendship despite our differences. That's the...
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- Iraj
I do not post anti Muslim links. I am not against Muslim people. I am against Radical Islam!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
False. It's the love of money that's the root of all evil. Money, by itself, has no meaning and it certainly doesn't have any motives of its own.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Greed is the root all evil; money is just the most common, ready face of it.
- Michael W. May
+1 Akiva. Money isn't evil. The greed that drives you to love it and pursue it at all costs is.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Would taking it away avoid the greed? Or would it cause issues elsewhere?
- Kol Tregaskes
Greed just is. How it's measured doesn't matter. Distance can be measured in miles or kilometers. It's still the same distance.
- CAJ, somewhere else
False. There is no root of all evil, but many roots and manifestations. Aside from that, money by itself is simply a tool for facilitating exchange. You wouldn't call a shovel the root of all evil if someone used one to bash someone's head in.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Kol, it would cause issues elsewhere. It's built into our species. You always hear a mother scolding her child for not sharing his toys. You never hear her scold him for giving all of his toys away.
- Akiva Moskovitz
People were evil before there was money.
- Rob Sterling
+1 Akiva. The Good Book says "love of money" is the problem. But, then, Gordon Gekko says "Greed is good." .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
Money can't but happiness, but it surely "can" buy a Porsche.
- Faraz Mullick
Wait. This is FriendFeed. I thought MicroSoft was the root of all evil. And Bush.
- Dawn
I think there's case for "Religion is the root of all evil".
- Gilbert Harding
Money is just a tool. Ignorance is the root of all evil.
- Tanath
selfishness is the big enchilada, greed being one of its most popular kin.
- Marco
I always thought that the corollary to "love of money is the root of all evil" was "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely". That said, I think the former statement is still wrong. How does it explain, in the end, child molestation? It can't. The "root of all evil" implies its opposite, and we all know what people want "the root of all good" to be, which then (if you are so...
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- James (!?)
Ignorance is selfish? Actually, it's unavoidable. Everyone is ignorant in some way. Not everyone is selfish though (arguably), yet they may still commit "evil" acts... due to ignorance. Even if they try their best not to be ignorant.
- Tanath
Are we quoting Scripture or dealing with fact? Behavior is evil. Things aren't evil.
- Jason Nunnelley
I'm pretty sure there were evil people, before people invented money. The question is, "Was the branch of greed, grafted onto the money tree.."
- Wallace
Well, let's see, there's greed, lust, gluttony, envy...I know there's seven of these things...
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
humans are the root of all evil (on this planet). Everything else is just an excuse or an incentive to bring it out.
- alphaxion
I do believe it is the love of money that is the root of all evil . .
- pcdave79
I posit that in the absence of money, something else will come along to inspire greed in mankind. Hence, I believe that human nature is the root of all evil.
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
Akiva: I got mildly scolded for giving all my toys away... :P
- Tanath
Slippy: What about good people? Is their "human nature" a root of evil? I think not - I really think it's ignorance that is the true root of all evil.
- Tanath
@taneth every human has moments of selfishness.. there is no such thing as an inherently good human. We all commit acts of evil from time to time - it's just the incentive and the degree of that evil that is the modifier. Money is simply another variable.
- alphaxion
Money is like social medi it's only a tool. It's how one uses a tool that makes it good or evil. Another take is that the pursuit of money at all costs--the end justifies the means--could be considered the root of all evil. However, I think the pursuit of power at all costs has created far more misery.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
The greed for money is the root of all evil.
- Will Higgins™
Agree with Will. And I must be evil, because I want more and more and more money.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
You can love money without it becoming a problem, but there are good & bad ways to go about obtaining it. It's when you engage in selfish & other ignorant behaviour that it becomes a problem...
- Tanath
And love of money isn't the cause of evils unrelated to money. Also, as others have pointed out, even if there were no money, there would still be evil.
- Tanath
Sean: Evil isn't a plant. ;-) There may be more than one cause of an event, but generally speaking you don't get plants without seeds. And I don't think you can ever get evil without ignorance.
- Tanath
I would be a little more broad: Selfishness is the root of all evil. Wanting more (money, space, things) is not inherently hurtful to others. Ignoring the needs, feelings, or even safety of others in the pursuit of gain is another story.
- Heather
If you selfish, you are ignorant. Ignorant is not "not knowing something", but unwillingness to learn. Babies are not ignorant, they just have not learned it yet - they are innocent.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
A plant? I thought that evil was like a Unix system; one root at the very top.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
from Android
False. The love of money is the root of all manner of evil. 1 Tim 6:10: "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."
- Steven Perez
igor: you have redefined "ignorant" what you have described is negligence and/or arrogance. "unwillingness to learn" is a self centered decision. the keyword is "unWILLing". meaning the proposition was heard and then rejected, either because the desire to learn was not substantial or the presented information was seen as inferior. of course if the information is in fact inferior then the characteristic exercised was wisdom.
- Marco
The image with money on a toilet paper roll seems confusing if it's depicting "evil" - I must be overlooking something.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Hehe, it was a little random, sorry about that. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Haha - maybe if the money was burning in the flames of hell rather than just on a toilet paper roll, it would seem more wicked... lol
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Why can't we all just get along? </mars attacks quote>. methinks: Misunderstanding and Fear are the root of all evil. Love of money is a misunderstanding of it's usefulness(rich) & a fear that if you don't have any, horrible things will happen(poor). <Sadness />
- immaterial
@immaterial: Misunderstanding = ignorance. ;-) Fear generally comes from ignorance too (fear of the unknown, ignorance of a solution).
- Tanath
@Steven Perez: It's not wrong... love of money has caused all kinds of evil. That doesn't make it the root of all evil though.
- Tanath
Tanath, so I guess if I bribe you you will change your opinion on ignorance? How much do you want? Or u are not for sale? <wink>
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@Sean: If evil stemming from ignorance isn't evil, then it would seem there is no evil. All evil is unfortunate, but that doesn't mean it's not evil. Even psychotic people who are that way due to a chemical imbalance are such because they are ignorant of how to act better (or why they should), and we are ignorant of a cure.
- Tanath
Money is just a tool. If we didn't have money, the worst among us would still find ways to cheat and rob others.
- Morton Fox
@Igor: LOL. My beliefs & opinions aren't determined by money, and I'm not a liar. One day my word may be worth more than you can afford.
- Tanath
Morton, just make sure the market goes up, I promise I will not turn EVIL LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
the root? No. I think the root lies inside each of us. Some are good and would do good with money. Even with opportunities to get more money, but with negative methods, they choose to stay away from the money. Others would push their grandmothers in front of a bus for a chance at big bucks. me personally? I'd probably push someone else's grandmother in front of a bus, but that's where I draw the line
- Morgan Haley
Perhaps. But once people found out that evil could pay off so handsomely, I'll bet that the level of evil went right through the roof.
- Steven Perez
from IM
the LOVE of money is the root of all evil according to scipture
- sherijohnson
Exactly Patricia! (People keep repeating the same thing about love of money. Is it really that simplistic or is that just an easy quote?)
- Heather
@Igor: I agree evil stems from ignorance - I was referring to the definition of ignorance. You (facetiously) offered to bribe me on that point. ;P
- Tanath
@Heather, I think it's just an easy quote. It really doesn't make sense to blame it for all evil. :)
- Tanath
@sherijohnson: Check the quote. It does not say love of money is the root of _all_evil.
- Tanath
That's fine, Tanath. Because that's not what the Scripture says: "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil." Not ALL, but a whole freaking lot.
- Steven Perez
And I disagree, in a sense. Sure, excessive love of money can lead to all kinds of evil, but I think that can only exist in the context of ignorance... If there is any root of "all evil" I think it must be ignorance.
- Tanath
I dunno. I know plenty of smart people who let their love of money get in the way of their good sense, and it never seems to work out well for them.
- Steven Perez
But everyone is ignorant in some ways. No one knows everything or is completely wise.
- Tanath
Ignorance is part of the human condition. You might as well blame sunlight for being too bright.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Indeed. I never said we could eliminate ignorance or evil - but we can try to do the best we can.
- Tanath
Ah, but that's not the question, is it?
- Steven Perez
from IM
No. I've seen people do crappy things out of sheer cussedness, for free.
- Jennifer Dittrich
@Steven: You really think love of money is the root of all evil? Then what do you say about the point that evil existed and would still exist without money? Money is just a tool. Tools aren't good or evil, it's in how they're used and the consequences they bring about.
- Tanath
Hence, the "all kinds" before the "of evil". Not to say that people won't do evil things without making some on the side, but watch how motivated they get when there's a paycheck attached to the job.
- Steven Perez
from IM
But only those who are ignorant of why they shouldn't behave in certain ways will act in those ways. Unless they're completely apathetic, in which case I'd argue that that is ignorant too.
- Tanath
If they are ignorant - that is to say, unaware of the harm that their actions cause - then can they truly be evil?
- Steven Perez
from IM
There's a difference between "being evil," or having an evil character, and doing evil.
- Tanath
They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions... :P
- Tanath
I'm still struggling to figure out what exactly you find objectionable about the quote I used.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Only these: 1 - You quoted the bible, as if it proves something, and 2 - love of money is not the root of all evil, as has been implied.
- Tanath
Ah. (1) So you object to the source material. Fine, that's your prerogative. But that doesn't prove it wrong. (2) Read the quote again. There are no absolutes in that quote.
- Steven Perez
from IM
I realize that. I meant that others have implied it. And my objecting to the source isn't proof in itself, but that doesn't mean there isn't proof.
- Tanath
You know what the #1 quote from the movie CASABLANCA is? "Play it again, Sam." Just one problem - that quote never happens in the movie. At all. Yet, that's what people erroneously hear over and over again. Kinda like that Scripture you object to.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Others in this thread have implied it. I'm one of the ones pointing out that the quote doesn't imply it's the root of all evil. See my comment to sherijohnson for instance. :)
- Tanath
Your stance is akin to you quoting a truism from a Harry Potter book and me objecting to the quote because I don't care for Harry Potter.
- Steven Perez
from IM
On the contrary. The manner in which you quoted the bible seemed to imply that it has some authority on the matter. This is debatable to say the least.
- Tanath
***Which is why I included the quote.*** I can recall a quote poorly, but if I actually post the quote from the source material, the only objections you could feasibly have about it are (a) you don't like the source material or (b) the quote is incorrect. Since you've already indicated that the quote is not false, what other explanation is left?
- Steven Perez
from IM
I wonder if we're talking past each other here. What exactly is the point of contention?
- Tanath
And considering that the question is based on the quote, it seems facetious NOT to remind all what exactly was said.
- Steven Perez
from IM
The question isn't necessarily based on the biblical quote.
- Tanath
You know of another source that uses this? Such information would have been helpful.
- Steven Perez
from IM
It's part of common culture, and I'm sure there are prior sources for the notion. Edit: But even if they aren't, it's his own question whether it's been asked before or not.
- Tanath
I would love to hear about those.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Though I don't see how it would be helpful - except for a debate about the bible.
- Tanath
I get the distinct impression that, had I used a quote from a philospher, I would not have received such a vigorous debate about the veracity of my source.
- Steven Perez
from IM
You call this a vigorous debate? :P Actually, I only just bothered to look up the quote, and according to the KJV, it DOES say that love of money is the root of all evil.
- Tanath
See, that was your first mistake. When was the KJV compiled? The 17th century. Try looking up that quote in any modern translation, and you'll find something different, such as my own Bible, the New World Translation: "For the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains."
- Steven Perez
from IM
The KJV is apparently considered to be one of the more accurate translations. Meh. My point was that it does say it in some translations, so it makes sense for it to be quoted as such, and isn't necessarily a misquote.
- Tanath
You think the increasing loss of the original languages has helped the later translations?
- Tanath
Given the sheer number of codices that exist from between the time of the Dead Sea Scrolls and today, I think they are certainly more than enough reference sources to verify the translations. Certainly today, it is easier to get a better translation, simply due to the speed that information travels and the outlet available for double-checking one's translation, than it was back in 1611.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Meh. Not really interested in turning this thread into a biblical debate. ;) I have other relevant threads in my feed if you're interested in that. I'd rather stick to the point here and not hijack the thread.
- Tanath
Steven: The Bible quote came across as an appeal to authority argument. I think that's what Tanath is trying to express. Please forgive me if I'm mistaken.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Tanath - Most people like to think of themselves as good people, but there are no absolutes in this respect. Some of the greatest evils are perpetrated by people who believe they are doing good. Human nature, by dint of evolutionary traits tends towards the cruel, selfish and greedy (just watch children at play to see what I mean). Thus, whilst I don't disagree with your argument, I think that my point still stands.
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
Slippy, this is a point I've made myself above, but the cruel tendencies are remnants from times past. We are evolving towards more civilized behaviour. Selfishness & greed must eventually lose out over more wise behaviour.
- Tanath
Tanath, to identify the source of a quote is not the equivalent of "hi-jacking" a conversation. It is simply identifying your source. In this instance, the quote that started this thread was not a mis-quote, but rather an incomplete one: it was as people tend to remember it with the most outstanding memory aids in that sentence: "money" and "evil". However, the point of the quote is...
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- Bwana ☠
Echo sounds too unfocused. I still want conversation to center around my blog. Comments aren't dead, IMO, despite what JS-Kit wants you to think.
- Jesse Stay
Bwana: No worries—hope you find a comment system you're happy with!
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What does JS-Kit have over Disqus or Intense Debate?
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Weblog, shmeblog. I'm fine commenting on your articles through FriendFeed. That's part of the benefit of installing the FF sidebar isn't it?
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Robert, Disqus already brings those conversations back to your blog, on a much larger platform. Just enter you social network credentials in your blog's profile settings.
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They've actually had that for months now. :-)
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- ASKJDOG
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- ASKJDOG
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