FF Gnomedex Meetup crew! Clockwise from top left: Mike (Holly's SO), MikePK, Bren, Cassie & Alex, Akiva/Chris Pillillow, Ben, me, Tad, Rochelle & Babby Audrey, Kris (Bren's SO), Holly, Juliette (MikePK's SO), Joey, and Joey's Sister (aka Alexis). Thanks everyone!! We had an AWESOME time and it was great meeting you all in person. :D
joey: yeah, I got a drunkvoicemail from Tad who was using Alex's phone! Lots of fun, wish I were there. I didn't answer cause I was on a date with Maryamie.
- Robert Scoble
@angrykeyboarder and Outsanity - Akiva is there...he's hiding behind the Chris Pirillo pillow.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
It was a pure blast from start to finish. Leave it to a group of FriendFeeders to want to reconstruct the room to their liking before sitting down to eat. Robert, it would've been great to have you. Next time you're in town and have some time, let us know, and we'll corral everyone up again.
- Akiva Moskovitz
It's great that you all got to meet in that context!
- James Stratford
Oh... I'm starting to understand now... Chris Pillillow and Akiva ARE THE SAME PERSON!! OMG!!!
- Mark "Godt Nyt Ǻr"
I like how the pillow looks like it was digitally added later.
- Akiva Moskovitz
(This could be bigger gossip than Kol's engagement!)
- Mark "Godt Nyt Ǻr"
Friendfeed Hacks Group - A place to discuss and share about tweaking Friendfeed with Greasemonkey, UserJS, Stylish, or anything to make the FF experience even better. http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Keith - @tsudo
The trick is to "believe" (to quote Leo Laporte) DO NOT LOOK AT WHAT YOU TYPE- just believe it will be OK, and you will be surprised.
- Amnon Dekel
I have been typing for 2 years now on iPhone and I'm fast. Belief in auto-correct is the secret.
- vijay
i have had mine 3gs since june.. and after about like 3 weeks.. i got fast and pretty accurate.. I think it depends on your learning curve
- daniel durham
Tonight I was faced with this scene at a party in Indianapolis for Monster Energy drink and I figure it is a good way to tell if you are a geek. If you first impulse is to ask the girls for help with your Ubuntu install, you are probably a geek. If you start wondering about what cool iPhone apps they use, you are probably a geek. If you want to ask them where the best places to find wifi in Paris are, you are probably a geek. If you want to invite them to a Facebook party you are probably a geek. If you ask them what they think of Android you are probably a geek.
- Robert Scoble
from email
If you know for a fact the girls don't care at all about you and are only there as paid advertisements, AND you still don't care and want to gawk and hang out and get photos with them anyway...you might be a geek.
- Josh Haley
You guys are a bunch of pathetic losers. Robert did you ask them what their astrological sign was? and if you did you are a geek who's desperate :)
- Jeunelle Foster
If you immediately turn to your iPhone and write about it on FriendFeed you are a geek
- Jesse Stay
I'm pretty sure I am still a geek, but there is no way any of those questions come to mind when I see this picture. And I think if those questions come to anyone's mind here, it might be time for geek-rehab.
- Bill Grant
Pogmohin: I talked with them for a while. Nice people but didn't know what Android was so I moved on.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
This post is just a cover story for why does Robert have this picture, anyway?
- Jason Wehmhoener
So is "What do you think of Android?" the new Turning test?
- Micah Wittman
thinking you can pick up said girls by telling them you wrote an iphone app and expecting them to get excited about it then you're a geek.
- evablue
Yeah.. I am from FHM mag.. Want to make the big time baby.. Now can the girl at the rear just reach around to the one at the front more...click .. front page Roberts Screen Saver..
- Pogmohoin
The girl at the right said her name was Ashley. Actually she said she was "Smashley." love that.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ashley owes me money and I better not run into her or her face would be smashley
- Jeunelle Foster
Bill: yup. I picked up on the iPod very quickly at the party. I am hoping Ashley sends me her play list!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Micah -- Me: "No, that's Mandroid. He stayed home. Wasn't cool enough. Android is...(way short explanation)"
- Dennis Jernberg
If you take a picture of three beautiful girls, post it on FF, and your first inclination is to write a caption that includes the words Ubuntu, iphone Apps and Android - OR if you comment on such a post... You are definitely a geek.
- Robert Rose
By the way none of the three had been to Europe so they couldn't help me with good places to get wifi for LeWeb.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
If you help them sign up for Facebook, FriendFeed, and Twitter, you're a geek.
- imabonehead
Well they don't look like they know how to boil rice
- Jeunelle Foster
Been to Europe?? Man did they say the best thing that come out of Europe was "The Final Countdown" from their Daddy's "86 with a Bullet" tape!! http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Pogmohoin
This scene was the geek's dream while posting this. :)
- Bundit
imabonehead: actually they are already on Facebook. Which says something about how mainstream Facebook has gotten.
- Robert Scoble
All the Facebook friends in my family (except for my brother) are definitely nongeeks.
- Dennis Jernberg
Well I know I'm a geek. When someone like me, who spends a lot of time helping a sexy geek like Marina Orlova of http://hotforwords.com because she speaks geek and is enjoyable to work with. I might even venture to say she's a bit of a computer nerd. When Marina wakes up the first thing she does is check her email. When she gets ready for bed she can be found tweeting before she retires...
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- Captain Jack
Captain Jack: she sounds cool. What apps does she have on her iPhone?
- Robert Scoble
Were they impressed by the size of your lens, Robert?
- Raphael, Raphael
Raphael: I didn't have that with me tonight. Was going low key. :-)
- Robert Scoble
If Robert had taken that shot with is 600mm, he would have had to have been 3 blocks away and you would be able to see the the flecks of color in their eyes :) You are looking at their eyes right?? -- My first thought was well, they can't be geeks as everyone knows true Geeks drink Red Bull not Monster :P Monster isn't all bad, they are big supporters of Surfrider and International Surfing day ----> Surfing Geek
- Luke Kilpatrick
If you're a geek, why are you asking someone else for help with your Ubuntu installation? Shouldn't you figuring that out yourself? Turn in your geek card, now.
- Andy Bakun
Yeah, they'd have to ask you to help with their Ubuntu installation. Except if they don't know what Android is, they probably haven't heard of Ubuntu either.
- Dennis Jernberg
"Well, hello there, sexy ladies! Would you like to come up to my place and read my @scobleizer feed? Hmm?" -bow-chicka-wow-wow-
- Kevin Leroux
wow. I couldn't even make out what was that thing in the BG. I noticed the additional thumb/thigh in front -so that makes me a photo geek??
- jomarhilario
Oh my! Now I'm sure I'm not a geek! Hahaha they are beautiful as hell!
- Rafael
if you find this picture of these attractive women on this page you are probably a geek...even if you don't read every single comment...including this one.
- Lee Sachs
Some of us geeks know what we're doing with women.
- Tyler Hurst
Oh, how gorgeous. You've got to love that Ipod design.
- James Kuypers
I can tell the way the Hottie on da Right is looking at me that she really likes ME a lot!!!
- Billy Warhol
@James I hereby award you the true geek award for your spotting of the iPod in this picture. =P (Special mention to the others who said MP3 player) - Silver iPod Nano I would think.
- Travis Koger
Really lol Scoble maybe u had been having 2 much fun @ the racetrack & geeks does attract some attractive wolla
- polou/indigo_bow
Funny old world three attractive women in a fun pose at a launch party and it creates enormous interest? Funny how things never really change in human habits, geek yep that's me but this article made me smile a lot, keep snapping away Robert.
- Ian Wright
If you are writing a disclaimer on a picture, you took at a party, because you don't want to be locked out of the house by your wife, you are a SMART geek:)
- Maryam Scoble
from iPhone
Heh, love that Maryam commented on this. I miss her and my two buddies. I'm just wondering why TechCrunch doesn't have parties like Monster drinks! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you'll just have to bring a case or two of Monster to your next TC visit and see what happens.... just make sure the cam is on.
- Jay Cuthrell
Jeez, I must not be geekish at all — *my* first thoughts are all carnal.
- Hieronymus Murphy
Only qx...which was your first impulse? I pray for your sake it was to throw down camera & decide where u were going to be in Blonde sandwich. :-)
- Brenda Rothaupt
thats the one Adrian. Now clap your hands to what he's doin. ;)
- Carlos Ayala
you'll never hear: A Tribe Called Quest "Jazz (We've Got)" & "Glamour & Glitz" Eric B & Rakim "Eric B Is President" Rakim "New York(Ya Out There)" Pete Rock & CL Smooth "Searchin" & "Return Of The Mecca" & "Ghettos Of The Mind" AND "Whats Next On The Menu" AND "Soul Brother #1" Ice Cube "The Birth" Ghostface Killah "Child's Play" Nas "It Aint Hard To Tell" EPMD "Strictly Business", the same way again. :)
- Carlos Ayala
Did you ever expect to have your name by Britney and Oprah? :)
- Susie Wee
Funny chart, but this is actually the wrong curve. The classification of adopters is a standard bell curve, as shown in the first graph on this page: http://www.nngroup.com/reports...
- Michael Slattery
I am fluent in over six million forms of communication
- Patrick
Why is threepio making out with Dracula? And for that matter, why is Dracula involved at all?! There's no blood! Oh well. Oh, you know who'd make a great Dracula? Brent Spiner. That guy from Night Court.
- Pete Delucchi
I liked the movie, and loved that it used all unknown (outside of SA) actors and has given some great exposure to the South African film industry. For once the aliens chose to hover above a city outside the U.S! ;)
- Guy Martin
This movie totally wowed me... Fantastic
- Bette Cooper
We all know that in real life, aliens would only hover over the U.S., so I felt that part of an otherwise good movie was unrealistic.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Although the concept of following and followers is different for me on FriendFeed than on Twitter, I would like to see a tool that lets me easily see who is not following me back. Like friendorfollow.com does for Twitter.
If you look at your subscriptions, then mouse over the name links you will see who you can do a Direct Message with (those people follow you back) and those you can't (those are the people that don't follow you back.)
- Uncle CW™
CW, I do that, but it's a slow, manual process.
- Ben Hanten
Yeah sucks, but its one way. The script you might want to do is something that looks at your Subs and sees where the Direct Message link comes up for then adds the rest into another field.
- Uncle CW™
Makes sense. It's like anything in social media -- if you realize that certain people keep taking without ever giving, you'd like to be able to weed them out.
- Ben Hanten
After a while you'll start to unsub from them and clean up your feed. But I agree. I wish there was easier tools to use. But then again if there was such tools there would be people calling other people out all the time "Why didn't you sub me back?" "Your not interesting enough for my feed." "Well FU! I'm unsubbing from you, and blocking you!" "Fine then."
- Uncle CW™
Ben: http://ff.deasil.com/friendv... does this, but it requires your actual username and password (it was written before the information was available through the API). I'm working on an updated version that will not require your account information: hopefully by this weekend.
- Mark Trapp
You can also use my version from V1 of the API that didn't require authentication, but it's extraordinarily slow and won't tell you anything about people you subscribe to that have private feeds: http://biggiantcomicsans.com/venn... Just replace itafroma with your user name. Green means it's reciprocal, red means it's not, and grey means I can't tell (private feeds).
- Mark Trapp
Mark, I'm excited for the new version. You could get a lot of hits on that.
- Ben Hanten
I'm trying out your first version. It's slow, but useful.
- Ben Hanten
Hi Mark, any update on this? I have not bad able to get the v1 to work lately.
- Ben Hanten
I stopped work on it in favor of a data exporter due to FriendFeed's acquisition by Facebook. I'll see what I can whip up, at least in a non-authenticated version.
- Mark Trapp
I've been saying all I want is the ability to buy into the same health care plan the congress gets
- Bastard Operator From FF
We tried to hire a Radiologist from Canada, sadly most are not board certified. Curious if we will now require less regulations if we go to Universal HC?
- Janet
it's also known as "public private initiatives" here in the UK - private companies bid for governmental contracts to provide the services, billed to the government. The problem is that the private companies that win the services are there for the profit and so provide a piss poor level of service for the highest price possible. It gets even muddier when you look at the PPI system used...
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- alphaxion
They're not that different. They are both nationalized healthcare systems. I lived in the UK for a couple of years. I have friends who love the NHS because it's simply there and provides a decent, basic level of service. I've also had people I know suffer and die because of sub-standard care (a tumor was misdiagnosed as a dragonfly bite). Nationalizing healthcare is not the silver bullet.
- Justin Whittaker
Most folks are not looking for a silver bullet. Right now, they'd be happy with plain ol' lead, as opposed to the blanks they have now.
- Steven Perez
from IM
I think alphaxion has the right idea. Nonprofits, not for-profit corporations. The latter corrupt the system.
- Dennis Jernberg
Single payer advocates sometimes overstate the case, and I'm probably just as guilty of it as anyone. It's definitely not a silver bullet, just a vast improvement over the current clusterfuck of a system. I've never heard a UK or Canada horror story that compares to some of the more common disasters in the US. Misdiagnoses happen everywhere, as does delays in treatment. But I've never...
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- Eric P
I like the analogies. Single-payer is analogous to Medicare. National Health Care is analogous to the VA. Yeah, they're pretty different.
- Victor Ganata
aye, you won't hear people from the UK extol how the NHS is the pinnacle of health care and there's nothing wrong at all because, at the end of the day no system will ever be perfect - well, except in the minds of the really patriotic ;). But, for the majority of issues I'm glad it is here because without it I'd prolly have a dead sister (genetic retinablastoma) and a bankrupt me with...
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- alphaxion
I don't think anyone who has ever had significant dealings with the health care system in the U.S. really thinks everything is OK, but I guess some people in this country are so afraid of any change, they're willing to sabotage themselves to try and prevent it from happening.
- Victor Ganata
That's the killer for me. How, especially if you've had ANY experience fighting with insurance companies, can one possibly argue that what we have now is better than something new?
- Steven Perez
from IM
This is one of the reasons why I am harsh in my comments to those people who are against UHC. Yes, I hope they lose their job, their house and their health insurance (and I don't mean it as viciously as it sounds), because only then will they find out that having UHC is actually a far better deal. If there's nothing wrong and you can afford your insurance premiums all is wine and roses,...
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- Rene Wirtz
@rene This is a point I raised with a few of the anti-UHC people on FF... Those who can afford healthcare won't ever see anything other than a bill for other peoples care until that access is stripped from them. These people don't get that health is a social issue and as such should be addressed in the same manner as other social items - I don't hear them bitching about paying for other people to use the police or roads...
- alphaxion
I'm from the UK and pay for private health insurance to keep me out of the NHS's filthy hospitals. I dunno, food is pretty important for survival, and look what happens when the government provides that (famine).Seems to me there are two issues: basic ongoing health care, which could be provided pretty cheaply privately for a monthly fee and which wouldn't kill you if you couldn't...
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- Rob Fisher
There are all sorts of issues with getting a random scan for no good reason other than you just felt like it. It's really not a rational use of limited resources, but it is, I suppose, a good way to make a lot of money off of people who don't know any better. Full body scans for cash are totally available in the U.S. They tend to find lots of things that are abnormal, and then you end...
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- Victor Ganata
The commenter Harold over there ( http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009... ) is also correct that 'eh?' is more of an Ontario thing than a nation-wide thing. The More You Know {NBC chimes}
- Andrew C
Whilst I've never been treated in the US I would say you could compare the treatment I got when I had Guillian Barre Syndrome (http://www.gbs.org.uk) to the treatment people I have talked to get in the US via their HMO. I got given 16 bottles of immunoglobulin at about $8000 a bottle. Intensive Care for 3 months, and full physio until I could walk etc on my own again. My friend in the...
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- Paul Bainbridge
There appears to be an attitude by some (usually within the cosy protection of full Insurance) displaying a Scrooge-like view ("Are there are not still Workhouses?") that they shouldnt have to support those less fortunate than themselves - the NHS is a great institution in the UK which whilst not perfect offers Universal Health Care and one that the UK should fiercely defend and support.
- David W
Thanks, Micah, hopefully I get whitelisted or I don't think it will last long.
- Jimminy Fuller
Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 38 bytes) in /home/content/h/i/p/hiphsadmin/html/ff/php/ffriendfeed.php on line 303
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ahsan, I don't know how high it goes, I did 475, and just realized the Subscription Field is broken because I was just testing with 10. O_o
- Jimminy Fuller
Have you considered exporting it to XML/OPML and emailing it to a given address ?
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Jimminy! For great justice! FTW! (I'm a big fan o' you right about now.)
- James (!?)
I think my export is in an infinitely loop. Tried 682 subs. Seeing this exception: Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/content/h/i/p/hiphsadmin/html/ff/tff.php on line 32 Great work though. Keep at it Jimminy!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Ahsan, I hate adding email support, it's always been a pain in my ass, I always screw up the formatting and break it. I did think about exporting in xml though, as Dave Winers subscription exporter was my inspiration earlier today.
- Jimminy Fuller
Sure... Or simply a link to download the .xml file. Just a suggestion ;)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
from IM
Brian & Ahsan, it's possible I screwed something up in modifying the FF API fetch-feed code. I'll look into it.
- Jimminy Fuller
Brian, it takes a while to do it 700 probably take about 5-7 minutes, it depends on how many services your subscriptions have.
- Jimminy Fuller
Ahsan, I'll try and do that, but right now I've just got a php script running the API, and it isn't actually hitting my hosting except for bandwidth & memory see where your first error came up. Looks like I'm going to have to modify the code so people with larger groups don't kill the Server.
- Jimminy Fuller
Jimminy, from what I can tell, I've got all the service links of all my subs (a little over 500) now! Major props to you for this app, and so quickly released. Awesome!
- Micah Wittman
(I got the line 32 PHP warning too, periodically sprinkled in, but script execution continued on)
- Micah Wittman
Yeah, I know where they line 32 error is coming from haven't found a reason for it yet. It's the foreach loop that extracts the service info.
- Jimminy Fuller
Oh shit, I have work tomorrow. I'll try and add some commenting and get it on git in the next hour, because I'm not going to be able to work on it until after 5.
- Jimminy Fuller
Not yet, I'll post a link to it once I get it there, since it's a community tool, and I'm not going to be able to work on it for the next 20 hours or so.
- Jimminy Fuller
I got the script to execute and finish. Like Micah, I had some line 32 errors sprinkled in, but doesn't seem to have done much harm. Again, great work Jimminy. Thank you. PS - my export of 683 subs resulted in a 528k html file.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Oh one interesting fact about the code, it can be modified to scrape the network and reassemble FF's social web on another network, though I don't think FB or FF would like that.
- Jimminy Fuller
Ah, I see you're using v1 of the api (because they haven't release the php library for v2)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Yeah, sadly, although it is an extended v1. I think I might work on a php library for v2 because I'd love Oauth to be an option.
- Jimminy Fuller
Jimmy, it's been a while since I touched PHP, but all you need is a library to fetch the feed. I've just written a ruby script to download my subs, using httparty to fetch the feeds. XML Generation is a #$%^ though :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
The subs aren't that hard to get Ahsan at all. It's the hyperlinking and services, I wanted to make it easy. http://friendfeed.com/api... (Replace USERNAME) is all you need for the basic subscriptions in XML.
- Jimminy Fuller
As of yet haven't been able to recreate the line 32 error I'm assuming it has something to do with my "Super Sloppy Validation," though, so I guess that's what I'll target first.
- Jimminy Fuller
Trying it out with 1107 subscriptions. I have a feeling that it's going to take a very long time to complete the export process, if there isn't a timeout on either the client side, or the server side.
- Tyson Key
Tyson, there might be a memory issue, shouldn't be a timeout and it will probably take about a few minutes 100 takes ~ 1 minute.
- Jimminy Fuller
Matt, it's a web app. And I don't have access to a Mac so I can't.
- Jimminy Fuller
Heh, I lost Internet connectivity, and Firefox locked up, before I was able to complete the process.
- Tyson Key
Tyson, I've begun working on a caching database that should speed this up, while also reducing calls to FF, because as of right now my calls to FF is N+1 where N=Subscriptions. The plus side is the database will slowly mirror that of the current FF user database(users, subscriptions, subscribers, services for all 3) which will allow a good starting user database structure for openFF.com
- Jimminy Fuller
Thanks, Jimminy for that information, and for open-sourcing/releasing this version of the tool. I look forward to seeing and hearing more.
- Tyson Key
You can now get a daily or weekly email digest for anybody's feed on FriendFeed. You'll get a daily or weekly email with the most popular posts from that person's feed. To get the email, click the "Email/IM" link at the top of anyone's feed, and select the "Best of day" or "Best of week" email option.
Thanks to Kevin for doing a great design for what turned out to be a more complex set of UI options than we had originally anticipated, and thanks to Tudor for implementing the email backend.
- Bret Taylor
I now get the FriendFeed Feedback posts as a Best of Day email so it doesn't fill up my feed, but I don't miss feedback. I also set up a "Best of Day" email for my "Technology people" friend list so I get a pretty good overview of tech news every day via email.
- Bret Taylor
This is a really cool idea Bret, I wish you can make that an RSS feed option as well. I'd be much more likely to read summaries in RSS than in email.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Neat feature, but it's more focus on big shiney new features, while ignoring the glaring issues in need of polish in the site we currently have.
- Matthew DeVries
Casey: Thanks for the tip. What's the 7 before the "?" mean in the URL? The number of likes or replies needed to be included?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
this is killer, the random influx of email during the day was kinda getting fail-ish. I love the daily digest.
- Drew Lucas
Very cool! Any way to get archives of previous months? (especially helpful for those of us who leave the internet for weeks at a time...)
- Mitchell Tsai
Just curious - at what time of the day will we get these emails ? Midnight US-Time, or will it respect our timezones ?
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ahsan: it is somewhat random right now when the emails are sent, but we built in the backend capability to control what time they are sent, and we plan on exposing that control to users in the future. Right now, it is kind of random - sorry!
- Bret Taylor
But what exactly is "Best"? Is it anything that has a certain number of likes/comments?
- Laura Norvig
@Bret LOL THAT WAS MY PROJECT! I will release it tomorrow. But you've also did it and killed my friendfeed application **sigh** But mine has multi-reporting weekly-daily-monthly at the same time and adjustable entry count!
- Alp
@Bret please consolidate me or I won't code new apps with you api! :-)
- Alp
Alp: we were not trying to withhold data. Later today the documentation will be updated to reflect the ability to obtain "Best of" for users. The feed id will be USERNAME/summary/N (similar to "Best of" for lists)
- Benjamin Golub
Hi Ben, that is pretty funny, I tried that URL earlier today to see if it has been secretly released :)
- Paul Kinlan
Bret: While Twitter struggle to keep their fail whale under control, you guys are developing stuff like this. Amazing - Thanks!
- Jim Connolly
awesome feature, this will be highly useful for my corporate group ideas / content sharing; projects, etc.... THANK YOU :)
- Susan Beebe
Great work. I especially like that it works on lists too.
- Meryn Stol
my inbox might say different, but I like that :-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Wow, this is really neat! And it links into the idea I expressed earlier, re: reducing signup friction / enabling limited guest privileges. Imagine if I could embed one of my FF rooms on my personal web site, and enable people to subscribe to that feed by e-mail with just a couple of clicks... rather than saying "you can get e-mail notifications but you have to sign up for Friendfeed first." "sign up" -- though admirably lightweight on FF -- is still a huge barrier.
- Adam Lasnik
is there a love button cause I dont like this option I LOVE this option..great work guys
- (jeff)isageek
Three options I would like (1) Can I select "top 100" instead of "top 30"? (2) Could I select both "best of day" and "best of week"? (3) How about older timeperiods? I'd love to get an e-mail with stuff from last week or Mar 2009? Start & end dates? Anything to help me read FriendFeed off-line would be great since I spend long periods off-line at festivals (especially during summer time) or overseas. - Awesome job guys!
- Mitchell Tsai
Great way to keep up with those you're most interested in; things you don't want to miss.
- Diego Barros
So this works on groups too, cool! But we still cannot see Best of for groups on the site on friends lists. :-( I have several friends lists that include just groups and when I select to view the best of the page it's empty (even though if I got to the individual best of for those groups there are entries there).
- Kol Tregaskes
does anyone know of a web service that can do this? (I'm thinking weekly email updates of my favorite feeds/people) I don't think there's anything like friendfeed ..
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Too many people complaining, I guess. Indeed, trust is something rare in the cynical times we live in.
- Jordi Soler
I believe people who are questioning will trust more when they get more clarity. In the absence of answers, speculation fills the gap.
- Louis Gray
hey man I trust loads more people online than off and I certainly trust the FFolk. These guys are no fools to build what they built and sell what they sold.
- Thomas Power
Unfortunately clarity takes time. Life is inherently unpredictable.
- Paul Buchheit
PB I am happy to wait take your time and yes I trust you all the whole team.
- Thomas Power
It's precisely because I viewed FF as a collection of people that I invested trust with them - so yes I'm waiting for the clarity that I trust will come and hope your allowed to share it by the new boss.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I couldn't agree with you more Paul. (congrats BTW) I just hope bigger companies also realize the same thing, we will treat them the same way they treat us. With FF I think we all felt like part of the team, communication was open and two-way..it brought the passion out of all of us.
- Chris Myles
I ain't no naysayer I am a true FFsupporter. Go PB Bear x
- Thomas Power
i don't think ppl always like what they see...perhaps why they choice to treat others badly : reflecting their own ugly.
- :}(o|O){:
Oh, I could tell you stories about how I trusted people and was let down, betrayed, and backstabbed. Cynicism is not without precedent.
- Morton Fox
I don't think it's naive, you definitely live better when you are not constantly thinking if people are trying to scam you.
- Amit Morson
It's not good to call a bluff on people/anything before you understand the situation. On trusting people a little more....that's fine. However, it's a very thin line because people are different and unique in many aspects.We can do much more if we remove the slyness that have destroyed capitalism.
- Symon Muchina Thuo
BTW, I like the little "Add comment" thingy. Good going.
- Amit Morson
If I went with optimism, I would prefer cautious optimism over blind optimism.
- Morton Fox
culturally it seems cynicism is a means for people to cope with irony
- :}(o|O){:
I trust the FF team. As I said before I doubt they'll let FB take over and do messy things. They worked too hard to let them do that.
- Molly, New Ears :P
I always give people a bit of trust, and it works out. There have been very few people that have lost the trust I gave them. I expect the best from everyone, and most return the favor. As for thinks like FF, well I don't have a lot of experience and I'm not super attached to the current workings, so I'm just waiting patiently to see what happens. I didn't join for the system, I joined for the people and the content. ^_^
- Heather
ana, that is why trust is required :)
- Paul Buchheit
It sounds like you've gained some confidence in yourself. That's always a plus.
- Wallace
I love FF. You guys have done a great job, and I have no doubt you will continue to do so. Some may have acted more on emotions than needed. However, when you end up being too trustworthy for too long, you tend to get burned. It's cheesy, it's a cliche, but it happens. I know I'm not one of the big ones here, but earlier today, in my completely zombified state, I decided to just roll...
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- Matthew Horton
I don't like how some people are thinking you "sold out" because you were bought by FB, because you needed the money and if you didn't get it what would happen? I think people are pissed off mainly because FB was the service that bought it. What if Myspace or Micorsoft bought FF? I bet there would be more people (including myself) who would totally lose trust in you guys.
- Molly, New Ears :P
Some people are going to take this cryptic post as "Friendfeed will remain a separate entity and will continue to be developed, but I just can't reveal that yet." If that's not what ends up happening -- as seems almost certainly to be the case -- many FFers will hold it against you. I don't believe that's what you're saying, but many will. I imagine the fact that the reaction is mostly...
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- Christopher A Carr
Christopher - I think Paul should start writing even more cryptic posts to /really/ mess with people.
- Andrew C
He seems busting at the seems to talk about *something* he knows, I just doubt that something will really be all that reassuring.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, you're reading too much into this (as are most people here). I really do mean it as a general point about life. The truth is that I don't know exactly what the future holds, and neither does anyone else.
- Paul Buchheit
I have been through a few recent experiences where my apprehensions and concerns about the honesty and the intent of people have been proven wrong. I guess some of us need to go through this phase of realization before we can start trusting people a bit easier than before.
- Jassim
Paul: I was saying that I'm not reading that into your post, but many people will. In light of circumstances, posting something like that is going to be heavily interpreted, right?
- Christopher A Carr
I guess I'm in what some people might think of "denial". I want to think positively instead of being cynical. Being cynical to me is negative and doesn't solve a damn thing. Being positive about anything this day and age is a bad thing, I guess. People view positive feelings as being "in denial" which IMHO is a bunch of bullcrap.
- Molly, New Ears :P
Depressing country music comes to mind... the dog ran away and the truck died, sad tune... *Sigh*
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Perhaps more to the point: Most here may trust the former FF team, but many don't trust Facebook.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, I think that is the main point. It was interesting to see Matt Cutts post his congrats via a FF post, but also mention that he hopes the FF team brings some openness to the FB. That is part of the trust thing. Even Microsoft is more trustworthy than FB right now and everyone knows that a team of talented devs getting swallowed up by an untrustworthy corp typically makes no difference to the corp's culture.
- Travis Koger
I had to admit, even though I like FB a lot, they have done some things I'm not happy with. I'm hoping they don't mess with FF too much or I won't go there anymore.
- Molly, New Ears :P
@Paul, I will stretch my trust a bit further to see how this washes out for the FF team, but in my view trust is always based on the actions and the way this has been handled, given that you are well aware of your rabid fan base, is not good for maintaining trust. I would have actually preferred that FF be bought my Microsoft (I know MS haters, perish the thought), but at the moment I...
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- Travis Koger
Thing is, every single FF user with a FB account could go delete their Facebook account, and Facebook would barely notice. So it's hard to believe that that they care -- why should they?
- Christopher A Carr
Totally agree Christopher. The FF crowd are such a small bag that they do not care. The reason why I would prefer MS is that they would care because they are clawing marketshare with any means, each little grab of users for them means a lot more then it does to FB, who as we all know don't even care about their existing 250-300mill.
- Travis Koger
Travis: You do know that MS is FB's single largest investor by far, right? For all practical purposes, MS bought FF as much as FB did
- LANjackal
LANjackal, yeah, but I am not sure about single largest? Particularly since the valuation that they bought in at was a lot higher than the current valuation from the recent buy in, so I think their shareholding is a tiny bit smaller now. There is still competition between the two for users, as there is from Google and twitter etc.
- Travis Koger
Lanjackal, I told like you to one of my friends feed yesterday, you are right!
- muratt
Travis: FB isn't publicly traded, and MS has given them more funding than anyone else, period. No one else has come close to the $240M MS poured into FB
- LANjackal
Travis: You don't think the Bing search results integrated with FB search results are accidental, do you? That said, I'm not one of those people who believes everything MS is bad. So far they've done well allowing FB to grow as they have. I've been with FB since 2004 so I have more faith in them than the average person. I'm giving them time to see how this all shakes out, and putting a lil trust in the FF devs too
- LANjackal
LANjackal, absolutely not, I know that was part of the investment and obviously worth a shed load more than the original 240M. I did think though that they had just received 200M from a russian company and have received other similar size investments from other companies. Don't get me wrong, I am not a total FB hater, if they do right by FF then I will absolutely stick around. What I...
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- Travis Koger
This is a smart approach. Trust...but verify. As much as many of us chuckled at Reagan in the 80s (OK, as much as some of us old guys chuckled) that's not a bad philosophy; it's what we do in day-to-day life, anyway. If we didn't implicitly trust most of the people we interacted with daily life would be chaos. Oh, and "naive" is the way we act on a daily basis.
- Tom Guarriello
Oh, and one more thing. I think the difference between the public reaction to FB buying FF and Amazon buying Zappos is fascinating.
- Tom Guarriello
I have actually more trust in FB than I have in Amazon - FB has not yet had the kind of anti competitive practices that Amazon has had in the last few years. If it had an easier way to ignore most apps, and reined their lawyers when revising T&Cs, FB would be positively peachy :)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Reality is a mirror. We will manifest in life what we continue to see and be. If we find that we continually cannot or do not trust people, it is often because we ourselves are not trustworthy. Give situations time to sort out before you automatically assume that the worst will come about.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Paul, I take your point. This is how I've gone through my entire life, with varying degrees of success. But I should tell you because of this I've been burned many, many times and have the emotional scars to prove it. It is not a statement to be made lightly (not that I think this is what you were doing).
- Jim in Real Time
I think most people would like to trust but most people have been disappointed before so when one cares about something or someone might tend to create negative mental scenarios as a mechanism to protect oneself from another disappointment and not to appear a fool once again.
- M F
Cautious optimism is how I proceed. However, I've been involved in and project managed through many acquisitions, and usually the acquiree gets fed a bunch of bs about how they'll be able to control their destiny and keep their baby running. But I don't think I've ever seen that actually happen. I hope it might, in this case, but I feel like so much cannon fodder at this point.
- Rick Cogley
@PaulToo / Paul Buchheit you say "Unfortunately clarity takes time." This is really where I think many people take issue, why did you sell the company without getting a more firm road-map for how things were going to go (which you could have then announced)? Unless you basically said: "OK, just give us the money and we'll let things sort themselves out later." Which is of course your...
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- Alex Schleber
Are people forgetting that Paul sunk millions of his own money into FF? Unless FF was a 503c Foundation, he can't be faulted for seeking to recoup that, and with big players copying FF features every day, there was a risk to FF's future. I'm somewhat saddened by what happened, but happy for Paul, but either way, FF introduced a bunch of concepts that will now be copied by other...
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- Ray Cromwell
I like the sentiment to stay open and trusting. Life is too short to do otherwise. And since there is a lot of talk about the facebook deal on this thread guess I'll throw in my 2c there too -- which is, congratulations on another successful venture Paul. Very impressive and facebook will be better as a result. If FF gets lost in the shuffle that just means someone has to go out there and start another venture ;)
- Thomas Mader
@cromwellian, that's why I used the words "which is of course your prerogative"..business is business, fine. I congratulate the FF team on their business win. But then don't mix categories and try to bring social issues like "trust" back in through the backdoor. After Beacon et al. FB PR disasters, do you trust Zuckerberg/FB with a darn thing? You yourself seem to think similarly by saying you're "kinda resigned that it's long term fate is not in the cards." My point exactly..
- Alex Schleber
@Guruvan BTW I disagree with you that this has anything to with LOA/Projection type stuff..the point is we all trusted FB in the beginning..a long time ago. Did we attract their multiple mis-behaviors into our shared reality somehow?!?
- Alex Schleber
More accurately, life is better when people are trustworthy.
- Tanath
Alex: I have spent about 10 hours of my life with Mark Zuckerberg. I think he is a lot more trustworthy than most business leaders I have met.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Scobleizer, which isn't saying that much, would you agree? :) It is after all the same Mark Zuckerberg that handed out business cards reading "I'm CEO, Bitch" not all that long ago..
- Alex Schleber
How does facebook reconcile talking about openness but trying to prevent other services from gaining traction by blocking the flow of information out of facebook that would enable smaller networks to compete? It looks like facebook is trying to become the entire web experience for users.
- Ru Viljoen
I've been through too many mergers and acquisitions to trust anything the buying corporation says.
- Alex Scoble
yeah u need to trust now because you gave away control. i think it was a silly move. i still think that friendfeed could have turned the tide by itself,...with proper profiles and people search. now all you can do is hoping you didn't got fooled
- Chris Hofmann
Schleber: damn, I didn't get one of those cards from him and had to drag him into a Time Magazine party. He didn't want to go because he didn't have an invite. I think that's the last time that I'll have an invite to something he doesn't have. But, seriously, I love how we blow out of proportion people like him.
- Robert Scoble
Alex Scoble: I assume the worst and when the best happens, I'm surprised. That said, Zuckerberg and Facebook has never stabbed me in the back or been jerks the way some other companies have been.
- Robert Scoble
If facebook succeeds it will lead to a period where innovation stagnates, and finally the largest task for facebook is to wrest power from google, and I personally do not want that to happen.
- Ru Viljoen
Ru: if you think Facebook is stagnating, I think you are smoking some good dope. Remember, FriendFeed couldn't take off because Facebook was too fast a follower. Many of my favorite friends from across the industry are now working there. Don't underestimate this company.
- Robert Scoble
Plus they stole Google's sushi chef and he's freaking awesome.
- Robert Scoble
Any company in Silicon Valley who is powered by sushi is unstoppable. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I don't think that, I think facebook is brilliant and incredibly innovative, I mean it will go that way if they become too dominant in the comprehensive web experiance.
- Ru Viljoen
I have never heard of any company continuing to drive innovation as google has after acquiring a monopolistic majority, that is why I do not want it to be replaced.
- Ru Viljoen
I think he is right, social search is better than legions of anonymous results. Facebook leads social so when they master search they will undermine google.
- Ru Viljoen
yeah but the content that is dragged into FB is still much more limited to what google can crawl.
- Chris Hofmann
What exactly are you referring to by "social search," Ru?
- Christopher A Carr
If I'm trying to figure out who *among my FB friends* has the cutest new baby, or the highest ranking on Farmtown, then FB is certainly superb.
- Christopher A Carr
Search results relative to people you know. So far facebook has focused on features and usability to grow its userbase, but it looks really obvious that they will then try to use that social network to create a search engine that uses your acquaintances to serve you recommendations or search results and people will love that.
- Ru Viljoen
thats what friendfeed has been doing already
- Chris Hofmann
Ru: I could see that were FF as large as FB. My aunties and uncles on FB don't really know much about my interests or preferences. Won't FB have to radically restructure the network -- FoaF, and such?
- Christopher A Carr
i think that is the point of getting the friendfeed guys in the firstplace
- Chris Hofmann
In that case, there's so much legacy cruft in FB, why not build from FF's foundation if they're going to have to tear things down anyway?
- Christopher A Carr
Actually Paul, there is a famous wise American Caver named Donald Davis. Cavers find cave. Caves are a kind of form of Shrodingers Cat, we never know where more cave is until we find it. Davis postulated in the 60's that the cavers create the cave in their minds.
- Robert Higgins
FF is interests/information-centric. FB is people you happen to have encountered physically-centric.
- Christopher A Carr
It might be a hell of a lot of work but still that is where they will go. Bear in mind they have just released facebook lite and their explanation of it being for low brandwidth areas and mobiles smells like BS, but that is too speculative, fact is they can create that infrastructure with enough money, talent and users.
- Ru Viljoen
But they have 1/3 of a billion users with old expectations to placate. How radical can they be?
- Christopher A Carr
Well until it is done who knows how much behaviour will be shaken up, but they can be quite radical and people will not leave because how do you communicate with school friends and grandma if you leave?
- Ru Viljoen
It would seem extremely difficult to me to build a new house by ripping out a piece of the old house and replacing it, one piece at a time -- and starting from the roof. At best, for much of the process you'll have an ugly-ass Franken-house -- which is a good description of the state of affairs at FB.
- Christopher A Carr
Paul we trust you not to stab Friendfeed in the back, but to infiltrate and take over Facebook
- Robert Higgins
hahaha well I hope facebook remains a secure place to chat to our real friends and some form of friendfeed lives on and grows for our edgy web friends. Sleepytime 01:49 here
- Ru Viljoen
I imagine you and the rest of the FF gang are stinging a bit (perhaps you didn't expect the backlash to be as... well, passionate as it was?) but, in my experience, trust is something that has to be earned and it's usually something I only give to people I know personally. Generous trust has almost always repaid me negatively so I'm loathe to just hand it out. I'm a cynical, old, cranky...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
I have a long held belief that trust is something meant to be earned, not something you are entitled to from the start, and once shattered it is difficult, but not impossible, to regain. And Trust travels with a companion called Respect. They are 2 sides of the same coin.
- April Russo (app103)
Wow Akiva!! 'monster off the leash'. I feel your hurt emotions, really deep!
- Myrna
Eh, I've entered into the acceptance stage. Things are as they are.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I didn't think of taking pics either :( I'm hoping I'll be able to go to SXSW again next year so hopefully there will be another chance (and can meet more people)!
- Tamara
Wha? I didn't get a Blellow shirt...doh! And Tamara, I was bummed I didn't get to meet you so I'm looking forward to next year.
- Mark Krynsky
oh hell yes - i feel like this is the last day of school before summer - does this mean "FF Yearbook" will be the first FriendFeed specific Facebook app that gets developed?
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I wish I could meet ALL my favorites! I was fortunate enough to meet Lindsey, Sean and Christian. You all are amazing and awesome people. I hope to meet more of you in the future. =)
- David Cook
Fun times...really had a great time that night. We need to link up again.
- jamar78
Exxxcellent, sir. We've been asking for this for awhile now. With this taken care of, how close are we to being able to collapse comments that we've expanded?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Let's call that a $50 million feature ;-)
- Laurent
+1 Akiva, was thinking the same thing - Also, thank you much! Been hoping for this. :-)
- Matthew Horton
Good to see development on FF hasn't stopped, Paul. I thought the FF API v2 post was the last FF update we'd ever see. This warms my heart :)
- LANjackal
it's not too late, personally alot my post-FB fears will be allayed if dev continues on FF.
- Joe Silence
Very cool! Keep bringing the cool features!
- Dakota O'Neill
can you please add one at the bottom of the page, too? i keep having to hit About then the friendfeed logo, and finally back at the beginning/top :)
- mike
Let me guess, the 500+ message thread about FB buying FF brought this on. Like!
- Evan Parker
Matthew, Laurent, Akiva Roflol. This is like the bouquet you get when you're the girl and he messed up. Louis, you were right. ;)
- Melanie Reed
It does not appear until certain number of comments are made. This is really nice because if it appeared twice in proximity it would not look nice.
- ashish
Now, can you add a collapse comments feature? I hate having to scroll up or down for what seems like miles and miles of comments just to get to another post.
- April Buchheit
We really wanted this when we were conference blogging--will be great for next time.
- Ruchira S. Datta
+1000 April - yes, i've wanted that for a while, too ... please :)
- Susan Beebe
Nice start. That means I can almost uninstall the Greasemonkey script that had been doing this for me for the past month or so. Now could we also get a link to collapse the comments again. Pretty please? Oh, and why no "Like" link at the bottom as well?
- Alex Schleber
ooh yes, a link at the bottom to re-collapse comments would be great. or maybe even every 30 comments or so there could be a re-collapse link. sometimes i expand and regret it in short order.
- Felicia Yue
Happy to see this :-) and happy for Myrna too
- Majento
now that I Like'd this post to show it to my friends, I keep receiving comments to it in my IM, most of them rather predictable. Is there a plan to add a @mute command that would stop the streaming of comments to a certain post to IM?
- 9000
from IM
NEW GROUP!!! "FriendFeed Petition" http://friendfeed.com/friendf... What's gonna happen to our community, data and favorite features now that Facebook has acquired FriendFeed? Sign this petition to get FriendFeed management to speak up, NOW!
http://friendfeed.com/friendf... Sign it, party people!!! Subscribe to the group, leave your own INDIVIDUAL post about why this has upset you and why you want answers NOW!
- Brad Williamson
No. Sorry. Oddly enough, I'm pretty sure that FF is perfectly aware of the issues already, given the 18,000 posts from FriendFeed users which basically say the same thing. Anything they can say has already been said.
- Ian Betteridge
signed. What will happen with all of the pushing / pulling of the multiple other social networks and sites that friendfeed currently supports?
- Vinny
Plus, not a chance in the world that I would sign this as you've spammed it to many completely irrelevant groups.
- Ian Betteridge
My question will not get an answer but signed anyway
- M F
Well, sorry Brad, but I block spammers. Just because you think it's important enough to spam every group you can think of doesn't mean you're right. It's a completely selfish attitude, and I resent it. Sorry, but bye.
- Ian Betteridge
Maybe I'm just not very informed.. but what's the validity of a petition? As in, does a certain number of signatures entitle the people to their view? Or is it just sorta saying "Yea, we all agree.. see?" and hoping people listen?
- Angelo Rodrigues
It's just a stupid reason to start a new group ;-) Nah... It's really a place where we can all gather in common agreement about something that really sucks hard. And maybe it'll get the FF management to stop partying for a minute and tend to the people who really want some answers.
- Brad Williamson
Do Friendfeed users stand at risk of losing all the bookmarks, notes and other data they have collected and stored on Friendfeed over a year and longer?
- Sean McBride
Losing all of one's Friendfeed data would be disturbing. Facebook and Friendfeed should issue an official statement on this question as soon as possible.
- Sean McBride
I don't know how useful it will be, but I am here too
- Flavio
Included in that data is our subscribers and friends we might lose. If there's one thing that carries over, our network of connections absolutely must remain.
- Brad Williamson
still not sure about all this but that picture is amazing!
- james gray king
Speaking of FF feedback, this ridiculous cross-post should be exhibit #1 about why we need to be able to hide individual posts when browsing groups/rooms.
- Andrew C
+1 to Brad. I like large crossposting. Brad is announcing possible new groups you can visit. It is good. Nobody is forced to go there. As to petition issue, Im sure FF team already reads it and is aware. http://friendfeed.com/petrnews
- Petr Buben
And here is the response I left to Paul's statement... There are a few promises and guarantees that you SHOULD be able to provide. Like, that our network of friends will remain intact and that the features that make this site great will remain. If you can't make those promises, then you shouldn't have done the deal. I sure do hope that the real-time search engine wasn't the centerpiece...
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- Brad Williamson
Such a horrifying picture... Why am I getting Service Unavailable on this??
- Kamilah Gill
I may have missed it but who drew that picture?
- Benjamin Taylor
Keep this the hell out of the twitter room, thanks. Not commenting in any way on the cause, just your spammy blasting of it around.
- Brad McCrorey
Ha! Don't you know that "Brad's" aren't supposed to hate on other "Brad's?"
- Brad Williamson
Not hating on you, just your methods. I'm not an Apple Room admin, but I'd delete it out of here too if I were.
- Brad McCrorey
Turning yourself into a spammer isn't going to help your cause, or any other. Quite the opposite.
- Brad McCrorey
sign all the petitions you want it will not change a mulit-million dollar deal no matter how many you get. Don't get me wrong but these guys are living the American dream. It sucks to us because we all loved the idea of a community of like minded people, but at the end of the day no one owned this site but the owners. We may bitch but get real, there decision is signed. Move forward and...
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- Lokei Atikus™®
signed. but i don't think this petition or any others (including facebook pages/causes) that crop up in the ensuing days are going to make an iota of difference to what has already happened.
- Vijay
My guess is that FB will keep FF the way it is due to the fact that FB and FF operate in completely different realms...with FB adopting some of the FF technology to enhance the FB realm. That said, what FB now needs to make very clear is a commitment to keep FF the way it is. Although probably unintended, the acquisition announcement is having a chilling effect upon third party FF developers, most notably Seesmic, due to the uncertainty of the whole thing.
- Stephen M. Otto
Pros on the "Facefeed": actually may keep friend feed alive. Anyone know how they make money. May improve Facebook integration (<1% of my facebook friends are on friendfeed...no I don't live under a rock...just in the MIdwest). May actually improve FF function. I found a learning curve that I had to get over to make it effective. Took me 2-3 goes at trying to commit to the platform....
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- Carey Lumeng
My biggest concern is that the deal was established in an effort to not bring our community sharing features over to Facebook, but to simply give them access to FriendFeed's real-time search engine.
- Brad Williamson
Can't you simply import your Friendfeeds data via RSS? Just a thought...
- darnell
from BuddyFeed
We now have a hundred Likes on this entry and 94 subscribers to the FriendFeed Petition group http://friendfeed.com/friendf... . I think if we break the 150 mark on each of these, FriendFeed will DEFINITELY void Facebook's acquisition of them. Yup, I couldn't be more confident that that's what will happen. Done deal, dudes... done deal ;-)
- Brad Williamson
Yes... Santa Claus, Batman and Spider-Man will tear up the deal documents themselves! ;)
- Bill Sodeman
Hey now, LG, Looney Tunes is frakking awesome. How about Disney buying Pixar? Oh, wait..... (and actually, that one hasn't worked out badly, so is there yet hope?)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
++ Jandy -> How about Dreamworks buying Studio Ghibli?
- LogEx
*smacks MVB* How DARE you besmirch tinker toys!!! Oh, and what's up with fiddling with your name, you trying to make me get MDV and MVB confused?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
+1 Myrna. Louis, although some thought/knew this may happen, timing feels way too early. May this location & API live long in-spite.
- Majento
BTW - Let's let the dust clear and breathe a little bit and not jump to conclusions. As much fun as it has been to react like we have been wronged, I trust this team.
- Louis Gray
Louis, yes, you're right but your post was moving none the less!
- Myrna
I love that line Louis. Hope you don't mind if I post. :)
- Myrna
Myrna, my content is your content. Please do as you would like. And thanks for the comments. :)
- Louis Gray
The comment back in May: http://friendfeed.com/dewitt.... So now that it is happened to one of the url shorteners, how do we protect ourselves and our content from the rest? (I fully appreciate that I used tinyurl to squeeze my link into the SMS-sized Twitter window. Irony acknowledged.)
- DeWitt Clinton
Wow: It's one thing if it were a small service, but to shut down tr.im, one of the big ones, is insane. I was thinking about this, and short of banning all URL shorteners (something I figured Google would do eventually for the bad ones, http://marktrapp.com/blog...) I wonder if there'd be a way to have some sort of autodiscovery mechanism for URL...
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- Mark Trapp
I also find it pretty tragic that their response in the comments to people asking for some sort of compromise on getting their data out is "it wasn't supposed to be used this way." Regardless of how they intended the product to be used, people *were* using it in a specific way, and they did absolutely nothing to discourage or stop it. That's the real silliness of URL shorteners: they...
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- Mark Trapp
I still feel Twitter could make url shorteners unnecessary if they chose to.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Shortening URIs is plain evil, respectively expressing design flaws. In the very few cases where it is --was!-- somewhat 'necessary', e.g. to mask affiliate links, a site can easily run its own URI management. In all other cases it's a sign of a faulty site architecture. Every piece of content should be available under one and only one URI, and every URI should point to one and only one...
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- Sebastian
Love Spotify, not in the US yet though.
- Jessica Lares
Very jealous Louis- can't wait for a good software music offering (have never liked iTunes). Pleasantly surprised with some of your musical interests (Deadmau5, Underworld, Armin, etc.)
- Alex Calic
@spotify is nice, but the name can be confused with @topify, a very useful tool in the Twitterverse.
- Pierre-Philippe Martin
You don't need a invitation. just sign up with a U.K mail address and connect via a U.K vpn and it will work. I am in Mexico and i can use it without any problem and for free of course. There is also a way to use the premium service without paying but that i will not share for obvious reasons.
- Avatar X
from FriendFooV2
I also like the Echo app for Last.FM when you want a more online radio experience. Otherwise i just use my Zune Pass most of the time.
- Avatar X
from FriendFooV2
Jesse: So what should I write about? :) I've already got an entry in progress doing a pre-release review of Peter Seibel's Coders at Work. What else?
- Travis B. Hartwell
Travis, anything. It's good to just write at least semi-regularly. Speak what's on your mind. I often keep a list so when I don't have something to write about I can refer back to.
- Jesse Stay
My goal is usually at least twice a week, but I should probably still be doing more. Twice a week is sufficient for most, though.
- Jesse Stay