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Mark Cuban @mcuban is nuts -- news has NOT gone to Twitter for most peole. Listen to why I say that in 4-m... #Cinch: http://www.cinchcast.com/scoblei...
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The Story of Google's Closure: Advanced JavaScript Tools - http://blog.louisgray.com/2009...
Cem Ozkaynak, Nathan Snyder, Daniel Rowley and 17 other people liked this
Would this have anything to do with the Google Chrome OS? Could they be doing this open sauciness to make the technology read for third party developers?
- Johnny Worthington
great post!
- Jenna Bilotta
agreed... this is the first i'm hearing of this since i have been afk for a few days... good work louis
- Chris Heath
Love posts like this - getting uber-geeks in the loop with each other pushes the web forward maybe more than anything else
- Christopher Galtenberg
Thanks, Christopher and Jenna. I know this is not destined to be a high-traffic post, but it's the right thing to do, to help understand it a bit more. There are enough other blogs writing "10 Tips for Twitter Lists" already. :)
- Louis Gray
Johnny, I doubt the 2 are correlated, but it is interesting that both Google and Facebook released big Javascript APIs as open source in the same week. Regardless, it's always nice to see companies opening up more, something Google has been known for doing quite awhile now.
- Jesse Stay
Elizabeth Lambert, the dirtiest player in Women’s Soccer - http://www.inquisitr.com/46634...
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Will Higgins™, Travis B. Hartwell, Dave Hodson and 3 other people liked this
What a cow!
- Mo Kargas
that clip is insane
- echostreamer
WTF.
- Maxamad
Unbelievable!
- Anne Bouey
At least she's not flopping.
- Will Higgins™
Whoa. That is appalling. I used to play field hockey and that got vicious but dang.
- joey
Doh... that's not right.
- SAM
If you wonder why I haven't created any lists yet it's because I'm writing code that will automate that process for me.
Daniel Rowley, Travis B. Hartwell and Louis Gray liked this
I'm a little embarrassed to admit this, but I would buy an album of Cartman singing popular hit songs.
Steven Perez, Travis B. Hartwell, Laura B. and 5 other people liked this
YES. I still seriously love his versions of Come Sail Away and Holy Night.
- The Bohemian Penguin
Did you watch SP this week? He sang "Poker Face."
- Mary Carmen
Aww no! I'll have to try to catch a repeat or see if it's On Demand. That sounds hilariously awesome.
- The Bohemian Penguin
Mary, I have three or four CDs of punk covers of pop songs, including "Over the Rainbow" and "Me and Julio Down by the Schoolyard". So no, I don't think that's strange at all ;-)
- DJF
Hee hee, it's brilliantly funny.
- Mary Carmen
Watching it now. Thanks, Mary, so wrong, pretty funny :D
- Kamilah Gill
Kamilah, I spent the whole episode going, "that is so wrong." but it is so funny and as always, it makes a great point at the end.
- Mary Carmen
RT @brianattopsy My mom had her chemo port taken out today , about 3 years after diagnosis. Awesome. I love you Mom! #tweetstrong
Travis B. Hartwell liked this
Said in a Reader brainstorm about a new feature: "If we do that Louis Gray's head will explode." True story.
metalerik, Glenn Slaven, Daniel Rowley and 12 other people liked this
ok. I might have said it.
- Jenna Bilotta
Ruh-roh. :) I trust you guys. Maybe this is a good thing.
- Louis Gray
I'll leave it to you to ponder wether it was a good head explosion or a bad one. :) Either way, still fun.
- Jenna Bilotta
*EXPLODES*
- Louis Gray
ha! you dug this thread up! very nice. :)
- Jenna Bilotta
:-)
- Ruchira S. Datta
First, FriendFeed is _not_ going away. (in fact, we're working on switching it to new servers) Second, I know everyone wants to know what the team is working on, but we don't pre-announce things, so for now all I can say is that there's good stuff on the way. Re: http://friendfeed.com/jworthi...
Dallas Cao, Tsali, The Native of FF, Nick Uva and 316 other people liked this
I know that doesn't answer everyone's questions, but I hope it helps.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, working on friendfeed.com stuff or facebook.com?
- Kol Tregaskes
I like the first sentence. The rest is just gravy.
- Derek Coward
I'm totally happy if we just reside on decent servers, and get occasional IT help... We'll keep the rest of the ship running :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Paul - is that why it's been slower lately vs.pre-fb ?
- Allen Stern
Paul please repeat it in re-phrased form: Friendfeed is NOT going to repeat destiny of Jaiku? Y/N
- A.T.
*processing statement...*
- Micah Wittman
Can't wait... **Fingers tapping desk impatiently**
- AJ Batac
But what does "going away" mean, Paul? And what does "team" mean? And when you say "pre-announce", are you talking about the Palm Pre?
- Ken Sheppardson
Allen, the slowness is due to growth (more users and more data), but I put in a few fixes yesterday that should speed things up a bit.
- Paul Buchheit
thanks paul
- Allen Stern
Paul, sometimes when I open up threads I get the Opps... error. Is that related? It has been happening more and more these last few days.
- Kol Tregaskes
Still better than twitter and facebook. Thanks for the update!
- Mike Nencetti
Paul, thanks for the incredible work with FriendFeed. Please, keep it alive! and most importantly keep it FriendFeed!
- Ciro
as long as FF doesn't go dark or fall to pieces due to lack of maintenance, i think most ppl would be appeased.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Does this mean that the sky is not falling and we should stop running around screaming GODZILLA! and pointing in the direction of FB?
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
also, thank you for making such a great service in the first place!
- Joe Silence is not dead
Paul: Did you see http://www.thetechnewsblog.com/2009... & can you understand why it got so many people talking / blogging?
- Jim Connolly
I second that!!
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks Paul.
- CW™
Always nice to hear Paul talking about Friendfeed.
- ashish
Thanks Paul for the update.
- Roberto Bonini
Thanks for the update! Would like to know if there will be actual development done on FriendFeed in the future (other than bug fixes/minor updates) but I understand if you can't really talk about that too much.
- Brandon Titus
Paul: so still no answer from you as to if your 'good stuff' is being developed for FB or FF? The silence suggests it's FaceBook you're working on, or at least transferring FF into an 'add on' for Facebook?
- Jim Connolly
Kol, fb platform and openness, primarily.
- Paul Buchheit
David Recordon FTW
- Jesse Stay
i made a post here - http://www.centernetworks.com/friendf... - one interesting note - maybe FB keeps FF running nice and smooth to keep the early adopters happy as it's a great way to get new features out to them via this channel... just a thought.
- Allen Stern
Wow. I've had to eat my words before but these are the best-tasting ones yet!
- Akiva Moskovitz
from BuddyFeed
Akiva, just add salt. You know which kind :)
- Micah Wittman
I'm anxiously waiting for FF->FB Platform integration (drools...)
- Jesse Stay
These are the best words I could have expected by Paul. There is obviously a cultural difference between the two platforms and audience and I'm assuming both the former FF team and the FB team recognize that and are sensitive to the community. Thank you Paul and I hope you are feeling better....
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Allen, you're in good company on that thought - there were musings on that concept right after the buyout.
- Micah Wittman
Damn, 20+ likes within a matter of 2 minutes.
- Maxamad
When the leader speaks, everyone listens.... :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I feel a few "I told you so's" coming though... :-)
- Jesse Stay
Thanks Paul. Glad you're working on maintaining/improving performance. I've definitely seen issues here. Looking forward towards your influence and changes over at the blue giant.
- Mark Krynsky
Paul - thank you for letting us know, and I do hope you feel better!
- Jennifer Dittrich
The big question though is will FriendFeed continue to add new features? There's a difference between that and it going away. (and hence my argument w/ Scoble the other day)
- Jesse Stay
Paul: Seriously weird that you're there reading this, and totally ignoring each relevant, yes no question. No one's asking you to pre announce anything - just genuinely concerned (and increasingly so) that they do NOT include developing for FF.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse +1
- Jim Connolly
I for one want to say: I'm excited!
- Jorge Escobar
Jesse: Paul answers that question - BOOM - rumour mill dies and we finally get something positive to say. Ya know what - we won;t get an answer though. He's reading this, he knows the answer, but he won't.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse: For now, FF has more features than any other platform for this type of niche. There's some catching up to do before I'm worried about new features.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
AWESOME!! Thanks for helping to quell some concerns Paul. Looking forward to what comes next, but hope that FF never dissappears also.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Shouldn't we be asking the facebook guys, and let Paul keep working? Or is he wearing many hats (friendfeed head honcho and facebook openess builder)?
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Paul: I'm right, right? There's something stopping you from saying that you are no longer adding new features to what 'we' know as Friendfeed?
- Jim Connolly
Not for nothing, but I took my friendfeed embed off my tiny blog for a few weeks after the facebook buy out. There was just this empty spot on my eyesore of a website, so I put the embed back. We care because we like the connections we've made here and don't want to lose them. It's personal for us to.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Paul: Amazing how quickly you guys have adopted the Facebook attitude to silence. Pity.
- Jim Connolly
Paul: blink twice if you will add new features to FF. I won't tell anyone, honest.
- Edward Zwart
FWIW he did just upgrade servers. My e-mail notifications are almost real-time. Sounds to me like they're still improving the service.
- Jesse Stay
Jim: Don't blame Paul on that, it's not fair. He's only allowed to say so much at this point but I'm very satisfied on what he said.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse: The questions not if they keep the servers running - we want to know if this is a dead platform.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: in Paul's defense Facebook's PR is more controlling than FriendFeed's was. I'm sure he's having to consider the effects his words will have on other people inside Facebook. But, I'm VERY HAPPY that Paul is here giving us hints as to what's coming. I wish it had happened six weeks ago so we wouldn't have lost so many people, but maybe that would happen anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Jim, there may be a few new things, but as I said, the team is mainly working on fb platform and openness, so it's unlikely that there will be any big new features of ff (except maybe one that I've been thinking about for a while...).
- Paul Buchheit
Did the Walrus think about Feed Splicing? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Paul: Finally - THAT'S what we were wondering.
- Jim Connolly
Cool Dude: Need it to have a classier forum than the parent; Parent is still good but the options here make it just a bit nicer.
- ThatDBD
Paul: Pity. At least we now know not to expect any developments or improvements. Thanks for answering the question. Whilst it confirmed my fears, it's good to know what's happening.
- Jim Connolly
Johnny said it nicely here: http://www.johnnyworthington.com/...
- Mark Essel
I have no problem with FB integration (notice my drool above). Hoping for good friend conversion tools to bring subscribers over as friends or fans on Facebook from FriendFeed. (Connect.registerUsers FTW!)
- Jesse Stay
Jim: I'd modify "any" to "many."
- Robert Scoble
As a result - Jim has left the platform.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: this is a change from last week, by the way. My sources were telling me that we weren't going to get any new features and now Paul is refuting that and saying we might get one new feature here.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still drooling - anyone have a towel?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I'll buy you a virtual one over on Ning.
- Robert Scoble
personally, i would be happy just to have FF not fall apart and die. given the post-acquisition situation, anything beyond that is gravy!
- Joe Silence is not dead
Robert, I heard Ning is dead - care to send me one on Facebook? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, think of it as 20% time. If there's a feature I want, I'll just add it :)
- Paul Buchheit
Thank you for the clarification, Paul, and hope you are feeling better.
- WorldofHiglet
a communication channel that will be around and getting improved no matter what happens, our blogs :D I'll be commenting on yours Jim. 20%, that's a helluva light better than 0%, that's actually much more than I expected. Could we crowd source funding to buy you more %?
- Mark Essel
Even if there no new features in Friendfeed, I am happy with Friendfeed just staying on.
- ashish
how many users are there on friendfeed is there any chance we could buy it out (and get a full time dev staff back)? This platform rules, the dev team is incredible (albeit on facebook stuff now).
- Mark Essel
Paul, if you wanted me to bake you some cookies, all you had to do was ask, GEEZ.
- Derrick
Question: how many facebook bucks do we have to buy in total to get Paul and team working on friendfeed more of the time (100% ;)
- Mark Essel
Twitter doesn't accept cupcakes any more (just check Foursquare when at their offices). How about FriendFeed? :-)
- Jesse Stay
Mark, I'm okay with better Facebook integration. There's a lot of power in that (hence my drooling).
- Jesse Stay
I've got mixed feelings Jesse. I have friends on facebook. Then I have people that get excited by the same stuff that I do on friendfeed
- Mark Essel
Mark, I'm really hoping it ends up the best of both worlds - that would be really cool
- Jesse Stay
im going back to efnet - i got a bus for 7pm - anyone want on? :-P
- Allen Stern
I don't think you can mix the two sites at all. This has been repeated over and over. FriendFeed's technology might be portable, the concept, no.
- Jorge Escobar
Is it too late to do something about it. If it's a question of funds, can't we raise some? I mean this is the best communication platform I've come across yet. Facebook could be, if they just handed over the reigns to Paul, but its unlikely that sort of shift could happen.
- Mark Essel
Is the user perceived need of a full time devoted dev staff a fallacy?
- Mark Essel
I think you could make the case that some sites and services can in fact be "done" at some point, and simply require resources to keep them up and running.
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks, Paul.
- Josh Haley
Ken: That's a potential advantage of turnkey application-level hosting such as App Engine: the resources to keep them up and running are almost entirely outsourced. ~All costs are variable costs, monetization improves over time, variable costs decline over time, so services that are "done" can literally just coast.
- Daniel Dulitz
They could open up something like friendfeed. Distributed social networks, with many servers would make search more challenging (search like status could help). The Internet keeps on chugging, it's a distributed information network that's been alive for many years. Our social networks should live, as does the underlying Internet.
- Mark Essel
Nice Daniel, I've been having fun playing around there (frankensearch.appspot.com). I'm using it to get to learn a little more about scala and lift now.
- Mark Essel
might be a full-time job times 2 or 3 for any fresh devs - safe to say Paul's got a bit of a head-start which changes that equation significantly! .... Also maybe almost as important is simply keeping spammers in check - that makes the difference between a ghost town vs the happy place here we want to keep coming back to enjoy ...
- Dan Freeman
Yes, this helps a lot. Thank you, Paul. We were beginning to fight amongst ourselves over these things.
- Kamilah Gill
I bet a good contextual advertising box off to the side could generate 35-50million dollars in 6 months with a user base of 1 million people. The assumption is that the average user spends 100-200 bucks on the site making purchases they'd normally make anyway and the affiliate percentage goes to the social host.
- Mark Essel
Friendfeed's health needn't be measured by the team's willingness to add new features. Shovels haven't changed in hundreds of years, but nobody is running around saying shovels are dying. A shovel is a great tool --a simple one, at that. If anything, I'd take away features on FF, but that's just me. Thanks for jumping in, Paul.
- Chris Baskind
Chris: the problem is that a shovel doesn't get more utility the more people that use it. FriendFeed does.
- Robert Scoble
I think the problem is that some people feel extra messianic some days (which is perfectly okay), and then refuse to see/believe/accept when others don't feel the same way AND point it out. The refusing part is not really okay, I guess.
- Michael Bravo
Thanks for these reassuring words Paul. Have been working hard to get more Flickr users over here after the recent rash of censorship there. Friendfeed's TOS and lack of censorship is a breath of fresh air compared to Flickr.
- Thomas Hawk
I wouldn't say lack of censorship, but community moderated filters. ;)
- CW™
I think you're unnecessarily complicating the discussion by adding new vocabulary, Robert. Now you're talking scale, not features. A product needn't expand its feature set to remain useful. Feature creep is the devil, anyway. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
You can’t predict what the future of technology will bring; so trying is a fool’s game. You can only adapt to the new realities as best you can. Paul's word is that it is still worth the time to invest in FF the tool. The tool may stay in this form but that's still a better design for me than Twitter. If FF is a shovel, Twitter is a spoon feature-wise. Audience volume-wise, it is the reverse.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
"Feature creep is the devil." truer words!
- Joe Silence is not dead
Now this makes me feel hopeful!:)
- Patrik Johansson
Ok here's an example of what the social media + contextual ads could like like (sorry can't embed iframe twitter they go full screen so I showed it with friendfeed). But the idea is clear: http://victusmedia.com/social-... This works by sending your tweet stream to zemanta, and then does some backend stuff (which we're working on improving) to get relevant ads from amazon
- Mark Essel
I've been rough on you guys in some comments around, but I'm VERY encouraged to see that you guys see a future for FF. Thanks for shining some light, Paul.
- Scott of Two Countries
Clarification is appreciated.
- DGentry
A respectable amount of information. Thank you.
- Matthew DeVries
Chris: Pownce had more "features" than Twitter did, yet it died. So did other aggregators like Jaiku. It's not "features" that matter in social software. Well, at least not completely. It's a combination of features with crowds that matter. If the crowds leave FriendFeed has a lot less utility to everyone than if they flow in. Look at this item here. Why is it interesting? Because there's people here talking about it.
- Robert Scoble
take your time PB Bear take your time
- Thomas Power
This is definitely more of the answer we were looking for. Thanks, Paul.
- Alex Scoble
Thank you
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
All I can say is "thank you" for letting us know what's going on. I'm glad to hear FF will be around for the foreseeable future. :-) LONG LIVE FRIENDFEED!
- Jason Huebel
yea - happy happy....
- Chris Jackson
I can't find any wave that is even remotely comparable with friendfeed's conversation, if you found one will you invite me? (muzzle at googlewave)
- Emme Ci
Great news, I await the new functions eagerly
- Mo Kargas
looks like good news ...
- johnpiercy
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the best thing I've seen ALL day!! woo hoo!! Thanks Paul :) {{{ HUG }}}
- Susan Beebe
Just a few words of assurance go a long way, Paul. Thank you for finally giving us something more solid to stand on. It's been frustrating for a lot of us waiting for the other shoe to drop and this news makes it much easier to keep investing time in FriendFeed. Please don't be shy about reaffirming that it's not going away on a regular basis because it's always good to hear.
- Her Lindsay-ness
I will say it for the least time! Friendfeed kicks ass :). The rest who is saying friendfeed is dying. please SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
- alfred westerveld
Good to read.
- Grant Bierman
Tnx Paul, people just want to see that are not "alone"
- Lucio Riccardi - CantorJF
from FreshFeed
"As a result - Jim has left the platform. - Jim Connolly" - Was this guy ever on the platform?! A quick glance at his most recent posts [first page] show pretty much 100% of posts made from other platforms. Cut him and his blood runs blue. Twitter blue :)
- 1x29
IF you glance over the Right Wing guys publications-there is some serious Terrorism encouragement from those sociopaths. This looked like a real strong example of what they are encouraging their followers to do??? Been saying we need to pay attention they are respectable foes to intelligence and their agenda is to win at all costs. Dudes they are great foes, need to,got to, have to pay attention to what they are doing. Peace love your neighbors dudes.
- ThatDBD
@ThatDBD I think you're responding to the wrong thread...
- Her Lindsay-ness
still curious, but understand
- Kim Landwehr
It's fascinating that so many people seem worried about new features. Until recently Twitter added almost no features at all and yet it continued to grow in popularity. FriendFeed's recent slump is all about perception, not tech.
- Eoghann Irving
Exactly Eoghann.
- Maxamad
these conversations take too much time for narcisists with tight schedules (stars). Publicity skyrocketed Twitter to the limelight. Friendfeeds champions are tech geeks, and folks that love chatting and sharing. There aren't many of us though. Give us time, or let us own the platform with a public ipo /buyin from facebook. Free friendfeed!
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Looks like it's official then: FriendFeed lives! On new servers, even! (At least for now...)
- Dennis Jernberg
Hoorah!
- Ron Bailey
Very glad to hear it!!
- Rosalinda Mojarro
word!
- Dylan Casey
This is great news! Thanks, Paul, for the update, and if you get a hankering for a feature, great! I'm fine with the tech being your personal sandbox in exchange for keeping the service alive. Robert, I hope this means we'll see more of you and your family - and hear from the ones who have mastered the art of rolling over. Johnny, thanks for having the courage to ask the hard questions (and Louis for helping you frame the issues.) wow - life feels good again!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
This is brilliant news from Paul! Now can we put this FriendFeed is dying business to rest please? It's a self fullfilling prophecy because by saying FF is dying, folks begin leaving, causing a downward spiral which would then cause it to come true!
- technogran
Wan't it to stay? Then begin spreading the word! Get others to use it! At the moment its not mainstream so encourage ordinary users to use FF! The more popular it becomes the less likely it is to fold.
- technogran
Yes :) Paul . Thanks. we love ff :)
- sunipeyk
Questions? No just enjoy it.
- ★ Soner Gönül
technogran: sorry, today you see what's going on. Bing? Displays your Facebook and Twitter tweets. Google? Twitter. Where's FriendFeed in this equation? Now do you get why FriendFeed is destined to be a tiny niche player and why the real action is on Facebook?
- Robert Scoble
Good news :)
- Maryam Ardakani
from FreshFeed
Is not FF that is going somewhere else (?). Is its user base.
- Claudio Cicali ♋
Good to know.
- orionstarr
from iPhone
Robert, if FF gives me what I'm looking for, why do I care where "the real action" is? If FF serves its niche well, what's the downside?
- Scott of Two Countries
Robert, do you mean that Google doesn't index Friendfeed posts? Friendfeed is the first site that comes up if you search for my name.
- Victor Ganata
Excellent point Victor - but FF only imports a small % of twitter's posts. Ergo Google is still not getting Twitter.
- Roberto Bonini
@Scobleizer - this item is not interesting because of the conversation. it's interesting because of who it's from, and what he said. The fact that there's a conversation around it and that conversation is easy to find and read is a bonus (a feature) that sets this service head and shoulders above others (IMHO). There's really not much interesting in the comments here, if you ask me. You could get rid of all the comments that aren't Paul's and the value of the entry doesn't diminish that much.
- Chris Heath
That isn't to say that conversations around items aren't ever useful or valuable (or interesting as robert says)... but in this case i would say it's who it's from and what he said.
- Chris Heath
Chris: you nailed, in a single paragraph, why Twitter is winning. You now can choose who shows up on your screen and under what context. Well, I can because I have list support. Everyone else will get that next month. Victor: Roberto is right. I barely see ANY of the good stuff I see on Twitter come over here. Well, it comes here because of my favorites feed, but that isn't in nearly as useful a form as it is over at http://www.twitter.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you keep saying that's the reason Twitter's winning - I can do that in Facebook and FriendFeed as well.
- Jesse Stay
Well, the problem is that Google doesn't seem to index tweets as well as it indexes Friendfeed posts. And Google has never been able go inside Facebook's walled garden. Hopefully that will change.
- Victor Ganata
(and I have been able to for the last year or so)
- Jesse Stay
Victor, that changed today - see ReadWriteWeb's post. Facebook is opening up public status messages to search engines now.
- Jesse Stay
Why is Twitter/Facebook/FriendFeed a zero sum game? I use both Twitter and FriendFeed a lot - they have different strengths - and they feed into each other. Facebook I use less, but that's a personal issue because I simply like it less. Why does there have to be a winner? And +1 Scott, if I'm in the niche market that FF is serving and I'm happy with it, why should I care if "the real action" is on Facebook? If that's the case, I'll take FF's "fake action," thank you very much.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Good point Jandy
- sunipeyk
Paul: Thank you for letting us know status as much as you are able. The fact that you took time to write anything says a lot. So thank you for that. And thank you for FriendFeed in general. It truly does rock. Have a great day.
- Morgan Haley
Thank you.
- amygeek
Why don't you just give us all Facebook accounts for the one's that don't have them and be done with it. But the Turbocharged FF/FB accounts!!
- Gene Williams
@Gene, sorry, you'll have to wait for a FB invite like everyone else!
- Andrew C
@Andrew Oh that sucks, I'm still waiting for my Facebook invite. Do you have one to spare?
- Patrik Johansson
FF team needs 20% time at FB to keep inventing the next.
- Christopher Galtenberg
This is great to hear, it would be bad that a major peice of my microblogging arogration just died off.
- denzuko
Bump for clarification and Happy Birthday Paul!
- Charlie Anzman
If your whole plan hinges on a six-year-old keeping a secret, it's not a very good plan.
Rob H., Nicholas Kreidberg, Kevin Pedraja and 21 other people liked this
Exactly. In fact, if it hinges on any one person of any age - still probably not a good plan.
- Micah Wittman
If your plan hinges on hundreds of people keeping a secret, it's not a very good plan. #WhyConspiraciesDontWork
- Alex Scoble
#WhyComma'sBreakTags,I.E.TheyDon'tWorkThen ;)
- Micah Wittman
LogEx, why get all logical 'n stuff on me? :) Alas, the fail critic himself failed. Fitting.
- Micah Wittman
This is exactly what my wife said.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
from iPhone
Ad in Real Estate mailer says buy a home, get $1000 toward the purchase of an AR-15 assault rifle. Only in Utah...
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Liked for "Only in Utah" not for the AR-15 :)
- Travis B. Hartwell
Not to say that you can't exercise your 2nd amendment rights elsewhere... But this is suburban Utah we are talking about...
- Jake Spurlock
Just to review- conservatives are happy we lost the Olympics and unhappy our President won the Nobel Peace Prize.
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I don't believe that's correct.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
I think 'unhappy' is pretty mild. 'Pissed off' is more fitting, IMO.
- Anika
Please don't confuse the term 'Conservative' with the term 'Republican.' They are completely different.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
What MVB and Glen said.
- Maxamad
Dr Horrible WON!!!!!!!!!
Katie: Witch Of The West, Steven W. Kelly, WorldofHiglet and 49 other people liked this
yay!!
- Imabug
WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
congrats!!!!
- imabonehead
Wooo!! Nice!
- Dean "Karnatos" Michaud
WOOT!
- Jason Griffey
Congratulations!
- Jàson Puçkett
Hooray!
- Malia
Congrats!
- Jason Huebel
Congrads on the win
- Ray H
Of course it did.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Joss Whedon and his crew are great!
- seda irengü özmen
Grtaz!
- Cea
of course it did! it's amazing!
- Chase Heinrich
Physical Storage vs. Digital Storage | The Mozy Blog - http://www.mozy.com/blog...
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Great infographic... Great Utah company!
- Jake Spurlock
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With all the hubbub about Obama's back-to-school speech, I wonder what people would say about JFK's famous line, "Ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what you can do for your country" if it were uttered today, by our current president.
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Good point.
- Christopher A Carr
The people having a fit now would go positively ballistic.
- Christopher A Carr
You know, it would be cool if some history buff dug up what critics actually did say about that line back then.
- Bruce Lewis
I think no matter what Obama says, some people somewhere will find offense.
- April Buchheit
The thing that bugs me is that it doesn't take much to infuriate certain groups of people especially during the current administration. I certainly don't recall people getting their panties in a bunch over stuff GWB has said about kids needing to stay in school or OB/Gyn's not being able to give their love to women (or something along those lines).
- April Buchheit
Obviously it was different people getting upset about Bush, but anyone that high profile will attract a lot of criticism.
- Paul Buchheit
I wrote "If you quit on school – you’re not just quitting on yourself, you’re quitting on your country" on my board following the speech. I thought it was the most powerful thing Obama said today to my kids. So many of the inner city children that I teach just give up. It gets too hard. Life is hard! Don't give up. I try to teach that every day - now I have the president's words to guide me.
- Marci Golub
Paul: Yeah, I know, but it just didn't seem like it was getting as much of the limelight as now. I guess maybe it wasn't as sensational? Perhaps, now, certain news outlets/interest groups are fanning the flame?
- April Buchheit
It depends where you get your news. I haven't heard anything about it except from you :)
- Paul Buchheit
Paul: I suppose I should just shut my piehole, then. :P
- April Buchheit
Or stop reading reddit for a bit...
- Paul Buchheit
you haven't heard about this anywhere else Paul???? surely you jest.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Paul: Touche!
- April Buchheit
Well, I was at burning man for 5 days and not exactly reading the news... :) In general though, news is noise.
- Paul Buchheit
but friend updates are....? ;)
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
I agree that whatever "outrage" is probably silly though, but I expect a lot of silly outrage -- what else can they do?
- Paul Buchheit
You guys are so cute.
- τorƍue
btw, http://news.google.com/ mentions the speech, but I don't see any mention of controversy (not that I've read any of the articles).
- Paul Buchheit
http://memeorandum.com was full of discussion of it yesterday and over the days before. school districts all over the country debated showing it, parents kept their kids home from school, etc. It was a pretty big deal. I don't mean to give you a hard time about it Paul, I was just surprised and am a believer in following the news to some degree.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
I thought the speech was pretty pointless. He didn't say anything that we haven't been told by our teachers for the past 8 years. (Stay in school. Work hard. Don't give up.) Hardly worth taking out one of our classes for. That's just my opinion, though.
- Alex
You're probably right Marshall. I still have very mixed feelings about the news though -- I think there's a tendency to get caught up in the daily drama and miss the big picture.
- Paul Buchheit
I haven't seen it yet but my wife described it to me and it sounded really good. Made me think all the more about how remarkable it is that we have a President who was raised by a single mother. The way my wife described it sounded like it could have really spoken to some of the kids most at risk of not staying in school.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
If it causes more people to watch the speech, then perhaps the outrage will work to Obama's favor. All politics aside, I really like what Obama's background says about our country -- I would much rather have a president who came from "nowhere" than one whose father was also president.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul: I agree. That's why I'll be a shoo-in when I run for President. :) Not only did I come from nowhere, I was born in a third world country known for its garbage mountain. -- Ok, I know I don't qualify being that I'm a 'ferner,' but it worked for Obama, right? ;)
- April Buchheit
April, I don't think your kind is allowed to be president.
- Paul Buchheit
April: just get some dinky Pacific Island state to make up a birth certificate for you, and you can be President.
- Gabe
I never like that saying anyway. Nationalism is so evil.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
I think that there is a lot more commentary now than 50 years ago, because there are several 24 hour news tv channels, not to mention their websites, and the bazillions of political bloggers. What is interesting is that so many of them focus on the same inane details, like the use of the word "stupidly", where in theory, we could have a much more diverse amount of information on the news. However, it is much easier to simply comment on something than to actually do research.
- Robert Felty
Yesterday morning, I'd say nothing because it's not a good parallel. I'm a bit bummed that schools actually opted out. I'm not an "Obama supporter," but I don't like the anger games. It's unhealthy.
- Jason Nunnelley
. @whitehouse I am proud, as a conservative American, to have the privilege of having the President speak to my kids. Thank you.
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Jesse, I hope you'll have a political party that can speak for you in 2010 and 2012.
- Internet's Tad
Not likely, Tad. There aren't any that represent conservatives.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
couldn't agree more mark... though i find it intersting that some democrats are looking already for someone besides mr. obama
- Jonathan Jesse
I'd be delighted with a fiscally conservative party that held liberally social values (or at the very least, didn't base the party around intolerance).
- Internet's Tad
Agree, @Tad.
- Kurt Starnes
I'm a Bastard without a party right now. It's sad it's come to that.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I'm right there with you.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Count me in, too.
- Kurt Starnes
The Bastard Party? It's got legs...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I wrote a paper in my AP English class in high school about how this circular nature of parties takes place. At the moment the Republican party has pretty much moved so far to the right it's almost flaming liberal (again, think of it as a circle).
- Jesse Stay
Mark, I'm in.
- Jesse Stay
how much longer till the Republican Party splits, or has it already happened and no one noticed?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Aaman, both parties are very split. There's just no good way of organizing the split.
- Jesse Stay
Sounds like what's happening in India - centre-right party in Opposition is imploding, the centre-left party in power (the Congress(I) is consolidating power and delivering credible governance, just re-elected after full term.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Hmm, that's an interesting topic for an article - note to self
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Tad, sounds like you need to be Libertarian.
- Jesse Stay
Libertarians are still a little too far left of middle for my taste. I agree with some Social liberalism, but not to the extent of extreme libertarianism. Republicans are too far right for my taste. I need something right down the middle.
- Jesse Stay
Been there, done that Jesse. For a while in the 90s I considered myself to be a hardcore anarcho-capitalist. I've realized over the years that a Libertarian government isn't suited to my own desires for humanity. The role of government should be to help hasten technological improvement and thus the Singularity. But then, I'm weird like that.
- Internet's Tad
Thanks Jesse for sharing your thoughts today. You are inspiring me to keep standing up for what I believe, and not what they Party has turned into.
- Sid Burgess
Sid, I love that song - it's inspiring.
- Jesse Stay
Republicans aren't conservative enough. However, that won't stop them from rolling over the dems in '10. Luckily, polls are showing the huge surge to conservatism in the U.S. People are finally realizing the government is not the answer.
- Spencer
Jesse, me too. And thanks to you I am in one of those moods... looking for inspiration today. :D
- Sid Burgess
Jesse, what if fiscal conservatives left the GOP and joined the LP? Would that shift the LP rightward enough for your tastes?
- Michael R. Bernstein
Michael, I guess we'd have to see. I'm definitely not moving - if one party moves towards my values I may join though.
- Jesse Stay
Good man. Would that there were more like you.
- Terry Hummer
Why does anyone associate the Republicans with conservatism?
- Robin Barooah
Jesse - let's start our own party. I am another lost step child of the Republicans. They have all gone Pat Buchanan on us
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
from iPhone
I'm rather irked that my own school district has opted to not show this speech live. While I can understand wanting to stay on topic within the middle and high school classes, making it a district-wide policy is irritating at a minimum. The speech is *for* our kids. I remember watching these as a kid and feeling rather proud to be an American each and every time.
- Renee Hendricks
I'll be happy when this whole stupid speech is over and my kids can get back to learning about academics.
- David C. Cooper
I still don't understand why people think the President addressing kids is a bad idea. There's no logic to it.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Mark, I didn't understand it either until I heard he held up Google, Facebook and Twitter, but didn't even mention FriendFeed. That's gotta be grounds for impeachment right there. :-)
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Oh man, I retract my statement then Bruce! ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, are you being sarcastic in your title?
- metalerik
The problem I have is with the Dept. of Education lesson plan that in essence called for kids to be Obama's field agents.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
matalerik, not at all. I mean every bit of it.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, really??? I don't remember hearing that anywhere.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, please quote exactly what from the lesson plan you disagree with, instead of making hyperbolic and purposely inflammatory statements. I mean, if you've read the document.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Actually, Robert is pretty much correct, but I think it's just a poor choice of wording, really: http://www.docstoc.com/docs... "Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."
- Otto
Thanks Jesse. I find it's better not to assume what people mean- especially when it's on a monitor.
- metalerik
My (at the time 14-year-old) son argued porn and censorship with a FCC Commissioner and people are up in arms that the President is talking with their kids? This country is just so idiotic sometimes. I guess they forgot what the last President was doing on 9/11. That is right, talking with school kids. Sigh.
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Amen, Mr. Scoble, Amen.
- Michael
It amazes at all of the lows people do to bring the President down. It's rather pathetic.
- Minu Nianda
Heaven forbid anyone just step back and thinks people could be up to a couple good things, good grief.
- Chris
Sadly, I think that (general) America has forgotten that every society before us has crumbled, be it from war, poverty, starvation, political dispute every society has fallen. It's just a ticker now as to when we follow suit.
- Adam
Please. I have no problem with our President talking to our kids. As long as I'm in the room as well in order to call his BS. No matter who the President is at the time.
- Chris Kalaboukis
completely different - bush was reading to students - not pitching his agenda. read the paper the dept of education sent to the schools. and you liberals forget the last time a president spoke to school kids was in 91 when Bush Sr talked about staying off of drugs - and you liberals screamed and yelled that it was inappropriate. now its ok. i love the liberal hypocrisy.
- Tony Kanzia
Chris: you sir are an idiot. You can do that at home.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Typical liberal - if you don't agree with them, then you're an idiot. What a shocking response.
- Tony Kanzia
I took my son to see a Whitehouse and President I despised.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Chris, you think teachers are any less fallible? Do you accompany your children to school and sit with them throughout the day to call BS on things a teacher might say as well?
- Andru Edwards
This is all so ridiculous. If you don't agree with what he's saying, teach them to be proud of that opportunity, teach them to listen to their President, and then talk to them about the things you don't agree with when they get home. Don't conservatives believe in family values any more?
- Jesse Stay
Tony: I live this stuff. Have you taken your son to see a President you didn't like? I have.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Chris & Tony, thanks for being on hand to demonstrate the exact kind of intolerance that Robert is talking about.
- Jeff Harbert
what i think got everyone up in arms was the curriuculm that went along w/ the president's speech. while this has since been taken down, people feel they are being told from the government what to teach their kids
- Jonathan Jesse
E Pluribus Unum - "Out of one, many". Once the President is chosen, we all have to unite. We don't have to agree, but he is still the representative of this nation and we should respect, and be proud of that.
- Jesse Stay
Tony how is Obama pitching his agenda to kids when he's simply telling them to stay in school? Give me a break.
- Minu Nianda
or that bush sr. talked with school children as did reagan. i suppose it's only ok if repubs do it (shocker).
- Kayce Maisel
I find it even more fantastic that parents don't think their kids can think for themselves.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Teaching our kids not to respect the President takes away that unity. If we don't agree, we should instead be sharing what we don't agree with, not removing the opportunity altogether. This is ridiculous! (note that I was saying the same thing to things the liberals were doing to Bush as well)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse Stay- You hit the "nail on the head" so beautifully!
- earl wallace
Complete idiots are people who think that their kids hearing a few words from ANYBODY are going to hold sway over the impact of their parents, their environment and ability to think freely.
- suecosby
@tony i agree with you on most of the comment. the problem with the speech i had was the accompaning lessons, since removed from the d ept of educations website
- Jonathan Jesse
You know, I just read the speech, and I don't see ANY political agenda in it, much less a liberal one. "And that's what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself." Sounds pretty conservative to me. Read it here: http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009...
- John Craft
For those on this thread who are freakin' paranoid about Obama pushing a political agenda on little children, here are his prepared remarks. http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaRe... You can now STFU about it. You're welcome. :)
- Helen Sventitsky
Jesse Stay - Amen!
- Minu Nianda
Jonathan: the "offending" lesson was what could you do to help the President.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@jesse i don't think anyone has said anything about teaching their children to disrespect the president, just that they don't agree w/ what he says
- Jonathan Jesse
Let's all join hands and recite the pledge of allegiance. Come on. I know you want to.
- Sean Montgomery
from iPhone
Jonathan: I disagreed greatly with what Bush did but I still took my son to see him and meet with his Deputy Press Secretary.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Jonathan I see people flat out telling their kids they can't listen to the President. That sounds like disrespect to me.
- Jesse Stay
Maybe school SHOULD be about learning where other people are coming from.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
It is up to parents after school to teach them their own values.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
In Arizona, kids have to get permission slips to listen to the President. That's disrespectful to me.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: it is worse than disrespectful. Where were theywhen Bush spoke to kids?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Jesse: yeah. Gotta have a permission slip to learn.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Let's see, how does it go? I pledge allegience to Robert Scoble...wait that's not it.
- Sean Montgomery
Robert, you're absolutely right... but I can't help but wonder where the promises were from this administration on working across the aisle and having full transparency. I think this administration has provided the fanatical opposition with all the ammunition it needed to take situations like this and blow them up. Once again, I agree that all children should be able to hear the President speak without opposition. I just think this administration is blowing the PR front.
- Douglas Karr
Robert I am giving you a fist bump for this man. Well said!!!!!!!!
- Joe
@robert i think the heart of the problem is what you stated "Parents should teach values" and i don't think that is happening whether political, religious or moral and too many people are relying on the school system to do so.
- Jonathan Jesse
Helen Sventitsky- I just read Obama's speech and I don't think I could have put it any better' I do not detect any undercurrents or subliminal manipulation. I heard the same advice when I graduated from high school.
- earl wallace
"too many people are relying on the school system to do so." - and this is President Obama's fault how? Are you saying that, since the parents aren't doing their job of teaching values, no one should be allowed to talk to their kid about values?
- John Craft
Robert - I'm a conservative but agree with your original point. POTUS should be able to speak to students. You have to acknowledge that if W. had tried to do the same thing (national satellite address) to students, liberals would've been just as outraged as many conservatives are now.
- Paul Goldsmith
Paul: You're flat wrong.
- Jeff Harbert
I think @Paul is correct, FWIW.
- Kurt Starnes
Let's face it - there's a significant portion of this country's population that, if Obama gave a speech about puppies being cute, would launch into an apoplectic rage randomly spewing the words 'liberal' and 'socialist.
- John Craft
Paul: you are wrong. Bush spoke to students and I don't remember anyone so angry.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Yeah...who is he to define cute.
- Sean Montgomery
John Craft: lol
- Minu Nianda
Really? Bush gave a national address to school kids? I honestly did not know that.
- Paul Goldsmith
@robert, Bush 41 spoke to students in '91 and there was opposition from the Dems.
- Kurt Starnes
Kurt: I will take your word on that. That is stupid too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
This is an amazing opportunity. Until now it simply wasn't possible for a single President to speak to an *entire* nation of school kids. Until now it was only possible to do it in person on a school-by-school basis. When I was growing up it was an extreme privilege to have the President visit your school. We should be embracing that! I don't care if you agree with Politics or not.
- Jesse Stay
Kurt: so, where will we be in eight years?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kurt: will we have a better country where kids are encouraged to learn and think critically or are they going to learn that politics is like sports?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Double fist bump Robert.
- Joe
There was opposition from Dems in '91, but there was no ranting and raving that Bush Sr was going to indoctrinate school kids.
- Rene Wirtz
@Robert Watched a great documentary on text books and our kids are NOT encouraged to learn and think critically. They are misguided. That's one of the key downfalls with our education system... which is controlled by people trying to indoctrinate their own beliefs and avoid criticism from any extremes.
- Douglas Karr
It's funny I've been so inured by the idiocy, venom & deception coming from the White House for the past 8 years I have a hard time even grokking there are people who don't view the new guy as a massive breath of transparent, humanistic fresh air. And also that a US president talking to our kids could be a bad thing. Altho the guys in this thread who disagree may not be idiots, generously I would at least characterize them as "Fox-addled".
- Thom Kennon
@Robert - I'm with you on those thoughts re kids learning to think critically. I may not agree with Obama on many things, but I would encourage my Daughter (almost 11 y.o.) to listen to any of his speeches. I do think there is some hypocrisy on this school speech issue, though. FWIW.
- Kurt Starnes
Just for the record, I think it's awesome that the President has the opportunity for a national address to students. Great opportunity for the President and children alike.
- Douglas Karr
1991: "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," the New York Times quoted House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.). "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'" Decent article on the history of these school speeches here: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs...
- Kurt Starnes
@Thom transparent? Like the close-door, one-sided bills that have been rammed through? Stop watching Fox OR MSNBC. Start reading http://factcheck.org/
- Douglas Karr
BTW, I wasn't following the Bush 41 school speech in '91, but would think the opposition to Obama is very likely much more heated than it was for Bush 41.
- Kurt Starnes
Kurt: OK. So where will we be in eight years? Will your guy speak to school kids?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Robert - I don't have a guy or a party that represents me (See Jesse's sentiments). :-\ In an ideal world, Presidents would speak to kids apolitically and all parents would support such speeches. And I would ride off into the rainbow on my white unicorn.
- Kurt Starnes
@Kurt @Robert Everyone should have the right to speak and be heard... what are we teaching our children through censorship of our very own President? Regardless of whether or not his speech is political, it should not be fought. He is OUR President and OUR childrens' President. PS: Robert... don't you mean in 3 1/2 years? ;)
- Douglas Karr
I just had to laugh at the person who said Obama was transparent. Wow. Don't read much do you? Obama just made sure 8 months of Presidential White House visits will remain secret. How about those meetings with drug companies, huh?
- Spencer
@Douglas - I generally agree with you. But, just as Obama has the right to give the speech, folks have the right not to listen, even though I think all should listen. Some conservatives seem to have missed the point that neither schools nor the WH require *mandatory* viewing! Folks still have a choice and this, to me, makes all of the protestations seem so silly.
- Kurt Starnes
Scoble++ I wish I could fave this post.
- Tanath
@Kurt we agree... and I also don't fall for the rainbows and unicorns.
- Douglas Karr
In fairness, I think the ONLY real objections were over the slip that the president wanted children to tell him how they were going to help him. Most people don't like the idea of indoctrinating children. They didn't want their child coming home to harass them about why healthcare reform wouldn't pass, etc. This might be a paranoid nutter fear, but for all the political manipulation many parents are used to via their children. My children are constantly bringing home political notes about taxes, funding.
- Jason Nunnelley
This whole debate is sorta silly. If you don't want your children indoctrinated, then listen what the man has to say then give them your opinion -- teach them the value of free speech which is to let all ideas out into the world and let the good ones stand. Taking your kid to the White House to se a President you hate? Makes perfect sense to me.
- Dean Rodgers
Wait a second don't we spend years indoctrinating our kids on everything from how to eat properly to what sports team to follow? I guess it's just other people's indoctrination we don't want them exposed to? ;)
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann Irving, duh. :)
- Jason Nunnelley
Eoghann, // I AM NOT COMPARING THE PRESIDENT TO THE KKK // But, how would you feel about your child attending a meeting where they taught that certain races were immoral, corrupt or otherwise less worthy. Sure, you could just explain that the bigot they listened to was wrong. But, children are impressionable. That's exactly why we work to brainwash... ahem, excuse me, train them young about things like pollution, recycling, civic responsibilities, etc. It's why schools have them to recite the pledge.
- Jason Nunnelley
For the record, I'm looking forward to my children listening to the president. It will make for good dinner conversation.
- Jason Nunnelley
My point is that sending someone to school and then complaining because they might be "indoctrinated" is a ludicrous position. Of course they will be indoctrinated. That's why we're sending them there! The objections to Obama's speech that I have seen are entirely party political and not motivated by any real concern for social or moral damage.
- Eoghann Irving
Jason, FWIW I did attend a meeting that told me exactly that when I was about 11 at a local baptist church. There was a book and tape burning afterward. My mother was mortified when she came to pick me and my sister (9) up. Neither my sister nor I was 'impressionable' enough to take what we were told at face value, and we had a very lengthy conversation with my mom about what we thought...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Jason: you hit on something crucial. There's a lot of white folk (especially here in the South) that do not want the president to talk to school kids, because it may just empower black kids.
- Rene Wirtz
Eoghann Irving, well sorry. I reserve the right to choose what indoctrination I subject my children to and I don't much care whether others think I'm backward or ignorant for reserving that right as a parent. I consider one's refusal to exercise that right cowardly. Even allowing my child to attend public school, and attend the Obama presentation is a decision that is mine to make. I won't whine or complain. I'll take physical action to stop people from doing anything to my child I don't like.
- Jason Nunnelley
Tina, I can't defend the position taken by a minority of paranoid parents that their children shouldn't be exposed to the president's presentation. But, I do defend their right to be notified and that decision belongs to the parent. I think withholding your child's attendance is a poor decision. But, I think the suggestion that parents don't have the right to direct their children's education and experiences in childhood is unacceptable in a "free" society. I determine who trains my child, nobody else.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason Nunelley, I'm curious where you think I said that you didn't have the right to raise your children any way you see fit. Or that it was ignorant or backward to reserve that right. I don't think I made either statement. My point remains that this isn't about any real concern for the welfare of the children. It's a politically motivated stunt.
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann Irving, you said "sending someone to school and then complaining because they might be 'indoctrinated' is a ludicrous position." That statement indicated to me that you think taking action to limit said indoctrination is likewise ludicrous. The rest of my statement wasn't aimed at you personally or your comments but more the generic conversation. There are lots of people openly calling concerned parents racist and stupid for even suggesting that the curriculum shouldn't be political.
- Jason Nunnelley
What I'm trying (and perhaps failing) to argue is for people to give the real reason they are pulling their children from school. It's not because they're "being indoctrinated" which is a vague phrase that has negative connotations which makes it hard to argue against. It's because of something specific. And the reason they're not giving a clear reason is that it isn't really about the...
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- Eoghann Irving
Rene Wirtz, this is a major disconnect between reality and perception. People who don't like Obama's tactics aren't all racists. They're not fearful that black children will see his example and obtain an education, get a better job, etc. They're fearful that Obama's policies will usher in big Orwellian government. I'm hopeful that Obama will inspire black students. But, I don't want his legislation to pass. I'm also southern, but that doesn't mean I'm a bigot.
- Jason Nunnelley
jason totally onboard with your statement, though i know it will get me some less than lovely responses. i definitely do not want Obama's policies to to become embedded because I think they are the wrong ones, not because I want to see him personally fail. I think the best chance for the country to succeed is if his policies sputter
- Zachary Adam Cohen
Eoghann Irving, I agree with you. The Republican "protect the children" spin is disgusting. But, I disagree with you on this idea that none of the parents are sincere. A significant number of parents don't like having their children used as pawns. I tire of it in my redneck, backwoods southern town (so you can all assume it's because I'm a racist :). My local school pulls this crap...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Though I consider the reaction these parents have to be bad. I respect a parent's right to opt out of a political stunt. Do I consider the firestorm the Republicans are fanning a political stunt? Of course. But, I don't automatically assume the parents are insincere, or racists. My kids are enjoying logical discussions on why some of the president's desires are noble and some are less so.
- Jason Nunnelley
@Jason: I wasn't calling you a bigot, far from it. But I can see and hear from my relatives there is a deep seeded mistrust. And it is doubly so, because Obama is black and because he is a "socialist", two things that are not very popular amongst the mostly Republican voter base. I do want him to go a progressive course, but to call Obama's political course socialist is laughable at best.
- Rene Wirtz
Rene Wirtz, I knew you weren't calling me a bigot. It's the southern comment I'm chastising. Since we're both in the south, I think we should be careful not to further feed this idea that southern people are bigots. It's just not true, at least no more so that Californians or New Yorkers. If J.C. Watts had run and won the presidency, these same relatives would love him. It's not a fear...
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- Jason Nunnelley
I think we need a "back to school" czar.
- Spencer
I straight up asked my daughter what she wanted to do and her response was "I'd rather do something else". But how about this - I respect the president's right as president to address children in the public school system, why can't MY right to not have my 7 year old daughter listen to it regardless of message be respected?
- Michael Koby
@Michael - Good point.
- Kurt Starnes
@Scott - You think they're nutty, they think you're nutty. Ain't America grand? :-)
- Kurt Starnes
Isn't it interesting how the "left-leaning" commenters cometely ignore the fact that it's the Dept. of Education lesson plan that people were upset about.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Robert: I didn't ignore that and I'm left-leaning.
- Robert Scoble
Scott, in fairness I think you know they changed it due to public feedback.
- Jason Nunnelley
It might be more worthwhile to have Al Franken teach them how to draw a map of the United States.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
does anybody think that, independent of what obama is going to talk about, it's not the president's job to address the nation's kids and this is not appropriate for thim to do in a free country? http://masstrovato.tumblr.com/post...
- masstrovato
How do you get from people being upset with a lesson that insructs children to write an essay on how they can help spread the President's message to them being racist?
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Scott, (answering q1) Bill Ayers, though people may argue Obama didn't actually associate with him. Jeremiah Wright, though people will argue Obama attended church for twenty years and didn't fully understand the lessons Mr. Wright preached. Obama's nominee for Green Czar, Van Jones, though I realize people will claim that nominating someone to a cabinet position doesn't mean they agree politically.
- Jason Nunnelley
Scott, I sincerely appreciated Mr. Wright's willingness to be honest about his message. While Obama tried to pretend he didn't understand that message, or that the preacher didn't mean what he said, Mr. Wright had the courage to say that Obama had no choice but to disassociate himself from that message but that he stood by his statements. I don't like Mr. Wright's message, but respect that he has the guts to say it and stand by it.
- Jason Nunnelley
Scott (answering Q2) Originally, the president intended to ask students to participate in an exercise to describe how they would help the president. I view this as relatively innocent, but some do not. That has been changed in reaction to public response. Now, though I find it innocent, I don't like it. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...
- Jason Nunnelley
Scott, I don't have a problem with his present version. But, pretending people are reacting to the version out now and ignoring the history that brought this controversy to most people's attention ignores the true motivations. I'm just suggesting you should consider the reality that your link isn't the source of the controversy.
- Jason Nunnelley
I think kids in all 57 states should have the opportunity to hear him speak if their parents don't object.
- motownmutt
I had forgotten what Bush was doing that day. That is a great point. If I remember correctly, wasn't the book he was reading to the kids upside down? Or is that an urban myth?
- Mike Kirkeberg
Agreed. Robert. Kids today are more evironmentally concious, know whats right and wrong and better perspectives of life, bring on anypne who wants to talk to them, there is no guarantee that they will listen as they are independent :)
- Shashi Bellamkonda
The reaction to Obama's original plan is not in a vacuum. The movement to recruit children and young adults into new nationalist organizations concerns some people. It's not so much right-ring Republican types, but more the anti-government types. Pretending this is a flame alone in a desert isn't intellectually honest. http://www.youtube.com/watch... http://www.youtube.com/watch... << The rhetoric that spikes the concern.
- Jason Nunnelley
Your son sounds like a genius. You sound like a liberal elitist. Sometimes liberals are so annoying. Sigh.
- practicehacker
Thanks for the links, Jason. I knew some Norwegians who I believe served one year mandatory military service. I thought it served them well.
- motownmutt
This administration is serious about engaging young people in quasi-military service. Its cabinet members talked about it openly during the campaign. You can pretend that didn't have an emotional impact, but that's just hiding your eyes to reality. That rhetoric set the stage for the sensitivity you see today over something as innocent as the president encouraging students, even to...
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- Jason Nunnelley
hi Robert, wish you can have a look at this: http://reader2twitter.appspot.com
- kang
the President is not just talking 2 kids, he wanna the kids to be tech wizards I hear? I wouldn't mind Prez chatting with kids but talk 2 what they wanna @ least
- polou/indigo_bow
polou/indigo_bow, you might want to actually read the speech before assuming anything.
- Jeff P. Henderson
my thoughts exactly
- Wardell Latham
sometimes? I do believe 95 percent of the time
- Braden Douglass
Interesting in consideration (if it's not already been linked here) http://friendfeed.com/kregger...
- Jason Nunnelley
We should print up threads like this and share them with our kids. Let em see how people with opinions and passions discuss stuff. Good practice for filtering out Presidents --- and teachers, and parents, and professors and cops and newscasters and Jon Stewart and Rush and the deli guy and ...
- Thom Kennon
Jason Nunnelley, Seems that just further backs up my argument that this is a politically motivated and cultivated hysteria. Doesn't surprise me that it's been tried before.
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann Irving, I live in a bedroom community in rural Alabama. We're a 70% Republican community. I've not heard a single parent complain about the presentation - not one. The only thing I've heard is reports that the original message contained a curious question from the president to the students, and the president (being much better a man than his political activist supporters) removed it to avoid the conflict. There is no [widespread] fear about Obama's presentation to students.
- Jason Nunnelley
Eoghann Irving, this idea that there's widespread panic over the president addressing students is akin to Sarah Palin claiming David Letterman joked about someone raping her daughter. It's a stunt. But, that's different from the hand full of people that have legitimate concerns about this administration's "statist" tendencies. And, I continue to encourage people to avoid dismissing...
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- Jason Nunnelley
citing Bush talking to school kids on 9/11 is not the best evidence that it's a good idea. Sigh
- Michael Markman
Wow, @scobleizer fail on this one! http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion... Democrats wigged out so bad, they even had an investigation of Bush's speech to a single classroom! I still think you're right - it's idiotic to get all up in arms. But looks like (as usual) both sides are just as guilty.
- Douglas Karr
It's Pathetic* The Repubes + Brainwashed Flock have shown Time + Time again that it's Their Way or the Highway - they don't even want People to THINK!! Scary + Frightening Poop*
- Billy Warhol
My childrens' school didn't run the speech today. I am so embarrassed. I completely missed this one. Since I don't listen to hate radio or watch the news, I thought I was up to speed based on the more cerebral conversations on this topic. I thought the whole controversy was already squashed when the president dropped the assignment "what can you do to help me," which I thought was...
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- Jason Nunnelley
I'm back to my original reaction to the vitriol on both sides of this conversation. Politics is for suckers.
- Jason Nunnelley
When I first heard that people were up in arms about the President speaking to school children... I thought maybe I had fallen into prolonged sleep and was not aware that Hitler was at the head of state again. Plz people. Can we get to what the REAL issue is at hand... and I don't like to play that card ... but sometime it's just too obvious when THE CARD is being played from the other side.
- Jim Turner
What is at stake here is not the fact that the President wanted to speak to the kids--that is good. The issue was that it was framed as how we can help the President (hint, hint--his agenda)--and that my liberal friends is what the commotion is about. Obama is about the most disingenuous President I have seen in all my years of closely watching politics. He had the audacity to say that...
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- Sean O'Reilly
@Scobleizer We should make "Scoble" a verb, e.g. "Sorry I missed your DM; the client didn't pick it up because my API limit was Scobled." ;)
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it's been Scoble-ized
- Kirsten Mitchell
We do not learn by being told what to do ... We learn by being taught how to make our own choices!
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Root Beer pouring into the streets...Cars honking wildly...Kids yelling "Flip & Freak"...Crazy times on BYU campus
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Pics or it didn't happen ;)
- Jesse Stay
from iPhone
Sorry, my stopword filter blocked half the words you posted. Message unclear. Please edit and resend. Over.
- Micah Wittman
A beautiful presentation on community, purpose, and evangelism from @bos31337: http://www.slideshare.net/bos3133.... Wishing I had agreed to go to CUFP.
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This is the funniest photo I have ever seen! (Updated: let's caption it!) - http://venturebeat.com/2009...
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Haha! Yeah. That's pretty funny.
- Harold Paxton
Maybe he will listen to Scoble!
- Steve Rubel
I think I should be worried. My 3 yo just asked me, "Mama, why is that (edit!) man pointing at Barack Obama?" How does my 3yo recognize Obama from behind? o.O
- Anika
I call Scoble by the nickname "that" all the time
- Steve Rubel
LOL I fixed it. This heat is making me drop words all the time.
- Anika
People recognize Michael Jordan's silhouette too - remember the cologne logo?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
"How does my 3yo recognize Obama from behind?" - I remember reading about a study that found that you are actuallly more likely to recognize someone from behind.
- John Craft
Dude....look at those ears. It's like a fingerprint.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
LOL @Rahsheen. I guess so. I just didn't think my kid has had the opportunity to see the POTUS from behind, like ever.
- Anika
Actually, I can't recall having the opportunity either, but it looks like him to me :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
That's funny!
- Robert Scoble
"That's the way, I like it" :)
- Burçak Çubukçu
Guess what, daddy? It's Bawack Obama's birthday!
- Adrian
Caption contest: "President Barack Obama ponders new Supreme Court nominee."
- Steve Rubel
Caption contest: "President Obama was being briefed by the FBI today on the most wanted men in America .."
- Matt Martin
Yes President Obama, my name is Robert Scoble, I currently work for Rack.. SQUIRREL!!
- Matt Martin
Caption: "Are YOU following me on FriendFeed?!"
- Jason Miller
Haha! Thats a good photo.
- Nicholas James
Caption: "Unfollowed, O. Here's why: ___________"
- Adrian
LOL Adrian....You win!
- Bill Heslin
*dead* @Adrian.
- Anika
Barack: Wow, look at the way that guy points. He should be president, not me. Who is he? No, never heard of him. I know an Alex Scoble. Are they related?
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
Adrian wins. disable comments.
- chrisofspades
Disable comments! :)
- directeur
Haaa haha haaa. :)
- Micah Wittman
"Oh no! He's in my Twitter, and he's here too?"
- John E. Bredehoft
Social Obama looking at a Social Robert Scoble's picture? This one is great!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
++Adrian Malone "Caption: "Unfollowed. O. Here's Why;______"
- Robert Higgins
Security Briefing: Anything goes bad during your Presidency, well... just "Blame Scoble" -that guy on the screen. Oh yeah, he's a huge geek that tweets so much the Twitter servers crash often, thus the famed "fail whale" image shows up. :) hehe!
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
The Internet Wants YOU. - says Uncle Robert.
- Sarah is Novembery
Does this mean Twitter would be down or no? :)
- Christian Anderson
from iPhone
Roger Ebert talks about being an alcoholic - he's been writing a lot of interesting non-movie stuff lately: http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert...
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xbox 360 vs. nintendos - http://kayfabe.net/post...
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TRUTH.
- Brad Williamson
I just bought a ColecoVision and a Super NES. Both still work. So do my Atari 2600 & 7800, Sega Genesis, N64, and PlayStation 1 & 2.
- Dennis Jernberg
@MaryHodder Their companies. Not people. They work by incentive. Govt. sets incentive. We've caused this w/ poor laws. We can fix it.
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Blogging before bed: More libraries and proto-apps, a tracker and a sandbox http://blogs.fluidinfo.com/fluidDB... #FluidDB
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Coverage Denied - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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This dumping of patients by private for-profit-or death insurance "medical" system should never and MUST NOT never happen. It is sort of violating of human rights. This, and huge savings, is why this real healthcare reform is being carried out.
- Petr Buben
so they considered a genetic flag, something that may or may not ever show up, a pre-existing condition? that's like saying they can't cover me because eventually i'll be dead - after all dieing is a pre-existing condition using that logic. wow, just plain head-shaking wow
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
yes ... it is very close to fascist-like discrimination elimination selection .... dumping patients onto some public government funded plans. ..oh well,,, what wouldn't we do for profits.. they are the most important for any corporation
- Petr Buben
i don't understand why we don't go after insurance companies legally. they are obviously colluding and price fixing? Isn't that against the law? . why are we going to them with our hats in hand begging for cooperation?
- sosk
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