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Louis Gray
For those who are curious... today is going to be the day. The "Schwag Magnet" twins are coming. Don't expect minute by minute...
Congrats Louis! - Ross Miller
I love the Schwaggin Waggon - Eric Schlissel from twhirl
Awesome! Can't wait to meet your two new kids and hope everything goes as well as possible. - Robert Scoble
When Maryam had Milan we were actually able to use our iPhones in between contractions. (Milan was born at Stanford, just like Louis' kids are -- great wifi there). Maryam didn't want any video, so we did photos and audio. Just be prepared to put down the iPhone IMMEDIATELY when your wife needs you. Otherwise the consequences are harsh. :-) - Robert Scoble
Mazel Tov and may all go as seamlessly as possible. - Mathew A. Koeneker
Wi-Fi at Lucille Packard is great, BTW. :-) - Louis Gray
Congrats! Don't worry about us and take some time offline! - Xavier Bartholome
Louis: I told you it rocks. So, is your wife admitted already? Or did they tell her to take a walk and come back in three hours like they told Maryam? (We went to Jack in the Box, and later, even back home cause, while Maryam was having contractions, she wasn't dialated enough to give birth for nearly 12 hours after we first went to Lucille Packard (Stanford's hospital for children). - Robert Scoble
Oh, and if you know Thomas Hawk, do anything you can to get him to come by and make photos. He took the most spectacular photos of Milan (and my family) that I really treasure to this day. - Robert Scoble
Matthew- Seamless birth , hmm. Kind of counter-intuitive. Louis-all the best to you,wife and twins. - Mark Forman
Congrats! - Yuvi
Good Luck Louis! Stay positive. - Jon-Paul Bussoli
I'm going to sleep hoping we hear great news when I wake up. Just remember, photos, we want photos!!! - Robert Scoble
We are admitted. Contractions are 4-5 minutes apart. We'll be here for a while. - Louis Gray
Cool. Any bets on the time? I'll bet that they are here by noon. Ahh, long night for Louis ahead! Breathe! Breathe! Breathe! :-) - Robert Scoble
I don't dare bet on a time. That's bad luck. But I'm not going anywhere, and she's not either. Duncan Scoble Gray and Cyndy Corvida Gray might debut in the morning. - Louis Gray
now you are ego pandering! Well I am off to bed. Our house is childproofed now and is awaiting the arrival. Milan is looking forward to having a couple of new friends to share toys with. Thinking good thoughts for you both. - Robert Scoble
Be interesting to see how many posts a week you're going to be able to manage now... :-) - Andy Davies
And no, those won't be their real names. :-) - Louis Gray
Congrats man! Get ready for the wild ride. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Best of luck throughout the night Louis. Hopefully when I wake up the two new Grays will be ready to blog. - MG Siegler
In case you guys wanted to know where you rate, we haven't told any family on either side that we're here. Didn't want to wake anybody up. Once we get close to 7 a.m. PDT, depending where we are then, maybe we'll let them know. Thanks for the notes. (Is this the first FriendFeed "live" birth?) - Louis Gray
Wooo, awesome! Congrats in advance. :) - Don MacAskill
Congrats and good luck! And they'll share a birthday with @crazybob's #2! - Cyndy
Contractions are 2-3 minutes apart now. Both of them hanging out, and both of us, hanging in... - Louis Gray
I do like the names you've chosen, though. Although you haven't managed to tack FriendFeed or Disqus in there. Maybe two middle names would work. I did that with #4 so she could be named after three family members. - Cyndy
Best wishes! - Mark Dykeman
Congrats!! :) - Paula Hawk
My daughter was born in a different age (1991). I couldn't provide updates to the world on an iPhone. Heck, all I could have done (I didn't) would have been to drive home, fire up the Mac Plus and my 2400bps modem, and posted text updates to the Deep Thoughts and Grotto BBSes. - Ontario Emperor from fftogo
@Ontario My last was born in 2005, and I couldn't even update THEN... they ban all cell usage and WiFi is still a pipe dream. They are still going with the "cell phones mess with equipment" airline story. - Cyndy
And regarding names...you could work "Obama" and "McCain" in there somehow...Duncan Scoble FriendFeed Obama Gray? :) - Ontario Emperor from fftogo
first photos better be with the cn stickers :) - Allen Stern
Congrats Louis! am excited for you. - Nick Halstead
Good luck to all four of you! - Chris Nixon
Congratulations Louis! Life as you know it has now changed. Good luck to all of you. - Rob Diana
Allen: CN stickers are in my hand _right now_. Kid you not. You might get lucky. - Louis Gray
Very exciting. Good luck! - Dave Stanley
Omg! How exciting! Congratulations!!!! - Sarah Perez
Congratulations and enjoy every minute! - RyanEs
WOOT!! Good luck to you and your wife at the hospital today Daddy Grey. - Mike Fruchter
You'er not streaming the whole event? ;-) No I agree some things are sacred. Unless you're scoble. I bet mrs scoble is happy that qik wasn't released when she gave birth... - Gez
Congratulations LG. God Bless - Keith - @tsudo from twhirl
I'll add my congratulations! I'll enjoy taking a rest from your articles :P - Tim Hoeck
Good luck. - James Rishabh Mishra
Congrats Louis! I know what raising twins is like, so I'll wish you good luck as well :) - Shey
Gez: there were certainly video options when Milan was born. She made it very clear that video wasn't to be used. - Robert Scoble
This will be up there as one of if not your BEST day - Christian Anderson
Agree wholeheartedly with Christian.... - Chris Reed
CONGRATULATIONS DADDY!!!!!!!!! - Susan Beebe
Congrats! - Dave Peck
I too will add congratulations! - Andy Tinkham from twhirl
Congratulations Louis! I can only imagine how excited you must be right now. - Caleb Elston
Waiting..waiting...waiting.... ;-) - Hutch Carpenter
Only 8 hours gone by. Our first was 37 hours. The second was like 2 - Capn' One Eye - adrift
Back at Hutch: Waiting...waiting...waiting... - Louis Gray
Congratulations! - Steve Lynch
Ten hours now. Cigars at the ready. - Russellreno
Wishing the best for all four (!) members of the family!!! - Dustin Harris
CONGRATS LOUIS! Glad I get to be in the names :D Can't wait for pictures though. I need to get "shegeeks" and "hegeeks" schwag over there asap! - Corvida
I hope you got plenty of Coffee and brought your laptop battery plug. It's going to be a loooooooong day/night. Hey at least you got FF to kill the time :-) - Mike Fruchter
Update: Things are obviously not the fastest I've ever seen, but progress is progress. We're at six cm. I didn't want to do a cm by cm update, but here we are! Nurses seem excited, so I'll pretend I am. - Louis Gray
This is one occasion when comments really need timestamps... - Andy Davies
This just in..... LG still waiting as of 5 minutes ago. Now in hour 13. http://friendfeed.com/e... - Russellreno
I am jealous. The arrival of one was a joy. Two would have blown my mind! - Capn' One Eye - adrift
Turning to superstition a bit, I got out of my A's shirt, which I've been wearing since we got here. Let's see if wearing the DISQUS shirt I got from Daniel Ha does the trick. :-) - Louis Gray
All in good time. Heck, I would be excited as hell. :) - Mathew A. Koeneker
For those watching this thread, obviously things have taken longer than we expected. Dilation has been slow, and the doctors are talking C-Section. We're trying to avoid. Babies are doing great. - Louis Gray
C-Section imminent, as labor stalled (you might have noticed). Hopefully, back with good news soon. - Louis Gray
Well, this is the sixth thread goin' on the twins, so (1) Louis we're hangin' with ya buddy and (2) get on with it already ... I want to go to sleep :) Seriously, positive, warm and happy thoughts ... and coffee. - Charlie Anzman
at this rate, i think Scoble's gonna have to change his bet from noon Friday to noon on Saturday! - Susan Beebe
Baby Grays are here! The boy clocked in at 9:01 at 5 pounds, and the girl weighed in at 4 pounds, 3 oz at 9:02. Both healthy. - Louis Gray
YEAH!!! Congratulations!!! This is wonderful news - both healthy!! awesome....next, what are their NAMES?? - Susan Beebe
bump for the oldest thread i've ever found on ff, post-congrads, :) - chaz2b
Matthew and Sarah are now five years old. Happy birthday, twins! - Louis Gray
Louis Gray
Double cute! - sergiooo
Great pic's! - Dan Boggs
Is it just me, or are all baby clothes in either FriendFeed or Twitter colors? I was noticing in my baby boy's clothes today that I had half of web 2.0 in his wardrobe. - Jesse Stay
:) - mhmazidi
yeah it is all nice and happy now - give it 12 months and the inner demon comes out... Nice time though, when they are small and cute :) Enjoy it. - Dave Gray
The best part at this age is when they fall asleep on your chest. - Russellreno
Looks like Sarah is trying to push Matt away... saying "Hey dude! We are so out of the womb! Shove over!!" - Yolanda
I wuv babies! - Shey
that is really quite lovely, louis. those early days with you daughter will be with you two for the all your lives. - ryan from fftogo
awwww how adorable! - Jessica
I think the baby sleeping on my chest thing was one of my favorite moments when we had small babies in our family. Thanks for sharing. - Jeremy Kunz
Sweet pics. - John McCrea
how adorable..your little ones are soooo cute.. thanks for sharing! - MiaD
sooo cute! - Sarah Perez
Bump. - Louis Gray
Louis Gray
“Size Comparison: Twins vs. Electronic Gadgets” - http://friendfeed.com/e...
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"Yes, it's me, abusing my baby pictures quotient on FriendFeed again. But in case you wanted to get a visual on Sarah's size, here's one item for comparison - the iPod Touch. Also included, Matthew, sleeping next to the iPod Touch, TiVo remote and Blackberry. It's better than using a ruler!" - Louis Gray
LOL LOUIS!!!! - Mona Nomura
This will replace the pencil markings on the wall as a measurement of growth. - Hutch Carpenter
Way too cute! - michael sean wright
will there be an unboxing at some point - Allen Stern
The TiVo remote has hardly changed at all in 10 years. - Robert Seidman
WOW, they are SMALL! cool pics!! I love the one with the baby on the couch with 3 devices - Susan Beebe
Okay that's just really damn cute :) - justine
one day these kids are going to say, 'dad used us as props for his gadgets!'...and then there will be blood! lol - .LAG liked that
@.LAG, then I'll remind them how when we parked in what I thought was acceptable shade outside Babies R Us today, they both went nuts, and I had to extract them from their car seats and walk into the store (using the exit), with the pair held tight to my chest, to commiserate with their mother. I'm sure I was quite the sight. "Hey! Look at that guy! He's in over his head!" (fingers pointing) - Louis Gray
Hey! Someone should say you - this is really unhealthy!! : ( - Erhan Erdoğan
@Louis - You definitely look in over your head. However, I was that way with only one. Now my children are 21 and 18 and I still remain in over my head. ; ) - Rex Hammock
This made Maryam crack up and say "that's cute!" - Robert Scoble
@Rex, I look in over my head? Definitely? Where's the proof on that? I disagree. :-) - Louis Gray
I don't believe you all - Robert, Louis, Maryam, all likes, comments - i urgently need a judge for this photos! : ) Your tech love is get out of control!! - Erhan Erdoğan
now let's see the Touch duke it out with the Blackberry - Paulo Elias from twhirl
I'm so going to do this one day when I have one. haha - Daynah
@Erhan and Brian, 1) They're not sleeping with the gadgets in their cribs (yet) and 2) I am not worried about that nonsense. I might as well unplug the microwave and TV while I'm at it, no? - Louis Gray
We always left a computer keyboard in our kids cribs as a toy -- they loved it. - Oldengrey (Jay)
The important thing to remember is that if Louis were forced to choose between his children and his gadgets,,,well, I'm sure the kids would find a good home. (JUST KIDDING!) - Ontario Emperor
lmao I'm so reporting you for this. Too hilarious - Corvida
Hey guys you have to see this related post... Scoble is competing with Louis' over coolest kid toys! http://friendfeed.com/e... - Susan Beebe
OMG! that's priceless! I <3 it! Put the device on vibrate and see what happens! I bet it would sooth any crankiness. Can you say iTunes visualizer? Better than Baby Einstein. Makes us AND them drool into relaxation. My son has gumdrop iMac in his bedroom specifically for that reason (glorified nightlight). Hey! We have to do what we have to do, right? Why not have some fun with it? Hellz ya! - Melissa Davis from twhirl
You know Louis, most parents use a wall and a pencil to show height and growth, you choose electronic equipment, what comes next? comparisons to the wii and ps3? then a macbook, then macbook pro, then dell blade server, where will it end?!!?!? - Allen Stern
Oh what beautiful little souls! I'm sure they are very precious to you :-). - Heather Colman
umm... it's not too heavy on him?! - Orli Yakuel
those photos are really embarassingly sad. Please leave the kids alone. - Claudio Cicali
A coochii coo! They are too cute! Twins are born small but they'll catch up in no time! Congrats! - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
LOL.. awesome pics - Aviv
apparently Amazon S3 is down - Shey
Total weirdness - the cuteness overload causes the pics to show for me even when S3 is down! It might be just my cache, ofcourse, but I like the first theory better :) - Yuvi
I'll take the electronics when the kids are all grown up. It won't matter to me that the stuff is decades old. - James Rishabh Mishra
oh this is ROFL! - susan mernit
Ok, from one tech geek to another, that has to be the most cute thing I've ever seen. =) - David Cook
It's February 21, 2009. I'm in the middle of a music search on FriendFeed and found these pictures from July 19, 2008. How time flies... - Ontario Emperor
Wow, where'd you dredge this up, Haggis? - Kevin L
Just showed this to Matthew, and he says, "That's Braden!" - Louis Gray
beautiful - Rida Sayf
Paul Buchheit
Auto Facial Attractiveness Enhancement Engine - http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~tommer...
Auto Facial Attractiveness Enhancement Engine
Auto Facial Attractiveness Enhancement Engine
This is amazing. I think we should automatically apply it to all profile photos ;) - Paul Buchheit
Facial discrimination? - Jason
Impressive. - j1m
Can I get one for the body as well as the face? - Dion Almaer
Very interesting. Hope they post the download link soon so that we can all play with it. - Brady Brim-DeForest
It seems as if the main problem with most people in the examples shown is their forehead is too short or too narrow. Wonder if there's a subtle clue that big brains are beautiful there! :) - Lindsay
@Jason - that's an interesting concept. Would you be more likely to trust the girl on the left or right? Would you be more likely to talk to either one of them at a party (or more intimidated by either one?). - Lindsay
Right one looks more dumb... - Phil Smirnov
Notice that for all the women they soften the jaw, while squaring it for men. Everyone also gets a slightly thinner face and upturned almost smiling lips. - FFing Enigma
@SB yeah and the forehead adjustment... almost like there is a triangle with the forehead at the point and they flip it so the chin is the bottom of the triangle... weird. - Lindsay
They are different women! Blame Paul! : ) - Erhan Erdoğan
impressive - accexine
Lindsay: whenever sketching generic faces, the face starts as an inverted triangle and the eyes appear a third of the way down from the top of the forehead; lips and nose appear below and above (respectively) a line 1/3 up from the chin. Looks like these pictures are rearranged to meet that particular school of drawing. - FFing Enigma
That is interesting yet odd. Seems that the faces are slendered with the software. - Jim Goldstein from twhirl
I wonder what would come out of applying their algorithms to face of black or asian person? Different countries have different concepts of beauty. - arty
Paul - Think you should definitely add the option. "Click here to be beautiful without the expense of plastic surgery! .... and you may even get more 'Likey's" :)" - Charlie Anzman
Some of the stuff coming out of Siggraph this year is really freaky. How about combining this with the automatic video editing stuff? ;) - Joe Beda
without a doubt amazing. It's incredible how subtle the changes are yet massive difference. - Zee.
Huh, that's pretty crazy. Creepy, but cool. :) - felix
I haven't read the paper, but I wonder if it adapts to different notions of "attractive" (that changes from culture to culture ...) - Rui Pires
+1 @Claude I was thinking the same thing! Incorporate this software in wearable monitor glasses, and the whole world would be beautiful! I'll bet we can look for these on the shelves in the U.S. just before November. Social media and reality enhancement software have put Winston Smith out of a job. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
do i sense another manga-style meme starting? - anna sauce
So, if it turns me into Gilbert Godfried... what does that mean? - Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
You know, if these guys had gotten together with the realtime video+photo enhancement folks and approached the Beijing Olympic Comittee then that singing girl in the opening ceremonies might not have had to been replaced with a body double. (Yeah, I just brought three of this week's biggest memes together. I'll be here all week.) - Kevin Fox
The artist proportions were laid out by the Greeks as the perfect human, that's not being used here. This beautification engine, I think, builds on top of a previous study where some students tried to mathematically identify attractiveness. They had participants rate the attractiveness of head shots from yearbooks. What they found was there was a high correlation b/w the geometrically "average" face and high attraction. That "average" is based on the proportions of the di - xero
stances between the individual elements of the face and their relative sizes. IIRC the software adjusts elements so they statistically/geometrically complement each other. It's not actually working toward a golden set of proportions, but a set of proportions appropriate for the individual as defined by the masses. I wouldn't think of it as "facial discrimination" so much as "deviation from ones potential". - xero
I'm waiting for the first Facebook application that automatically enhances your profile picture like this. Every social network should run this on the avatars. Beautiful people! - Benedikt Koehler
Can you imagine the controversy if dating sites got a hold of this? - xero
@paul automatically apply it to all profile photos, huh? are you sure you ready for results? check my picture - try to see wonderful cossacks writing infamous letter to Turkish Sultan :) - непростые коротышки
I wonder if they'll turn Mickey Mouse into Mighty Mouse - Dave Q
@Lindsay; A)Maybe/? 1=Left 2=Right 3=N/A - Jason
this will have a lot of practical applications to create a (virtual) world of beautiful (or more acceptable facially) people. - Apostolos Tsompanopoulos
Just a complicated high tech implementation of beer goggles. - Hayes Haugen
Chris' comment is sooo tempting - Charlie Anzman
This is what came up as the top Google hit for paul buchheit friendfeed. - Spidra Webster
I just read the first comment and may I ask why we should apply it automatically to all profile pictures??? Who are we gonna kid that way?! - ani
it's long gone. - Big Joe Silence
It's down :( - Burcu Dogan
cannot open this link,404 is there~ - 阿石
Brad Williamson
I've spent merely two days with the Perfect Pushups™ and I can already see results! Check me out...
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Lovely looking young lady. - Brian Sullivan
hi fabio - grant fox
Oh, Dear God... - Rahsheen
Um. Not sure what's worse, the obvious toolbag, the nails, or the fact that she's wearing a blue doo-rag for a swimsuit. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
no brah! - vijay
Is that even possible? How'd you achieve that so quickly? - Andrew Trinh
Brad, you're obviously lying. You should go ahead and admit that you're actually using P90X. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
why? why? why? - Valley
@Ha3rvey I've actually tried the P90X, but it didn't decrease the size of my man boobs as much as I wanted it to. Obviously, as evidenced by my pic, the Perfect Pushups are much more effective. - Brad Williamson
Dude, I've been doing the Perfect Pushups for 2 years now, and my junk looks nothing like that. Maybe it really is the genes. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
o.O - Like
Thanks for my Whiskey Tango Foxtrot moment of the night. - Steve Lowe
HIDE!!! - Bee
Thanks for all your positive reinforcement! I'll be sure to keep you updated on my continuing progress ;-) - Brad Williamson
So Wrong!! - BEX
I'd hit it--I know I have a baseball bat somewhere. - MiniMage
Hawt... I mean hide! - Morton Fox
WTF???? Who thinks that looks good? - Adam Martin
I really tried hard to type "I'd hit it" as a joke....but I couldn't do it....I'd hit it with an SUV, though.... - Rahsheen
Hahaha. I would hope not :) - Adam Martin
WHAT??? - YoYo_P
Bell, its your future wife - cooper
I think the real debate should be over whether or not this person is, or has been, a man. I, for one, am totally confused. - Brad Williamson
I think the real debate should be over why the hell we keep bumping this back to the top...LOL - Rahsheen
I usually don't recommend this, but "she" needs bigger implants. - Matthew
o.O - Arash
Gawd.... - LJo Willy
Die, thread, die!!! - Steve Lowe
LOL! - John Blanton from twhirl
Hao Chen
louisgray on Tweetmi - http://tweetmi.com/louisgray
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Real-time Twitter topics - Hao Chen from Bookmarklet
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Thomas Hawk
You have to click through to the photo to read the billboards full size. - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
Brilliant ad. And it doesn't hurt that the size of the BMW billboard is 5 times as tall as the Audi ad. - Mike Doeff
I wonder if BMW paid for both billboards or if the Audi one is a legitimate Audi billboard. - Thomas Hawk
did you see the newer audi ad? http://www.autoblog.com/2009... - Richard Lawler
That is AWESOME pwnage! - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
nicely done - BEX
What should Audi's reply back? Aside from that posted by Richard. - AJ Batac
Illegal move - AJ Batac
This is a known fact, Thomas ;) Thanks for posting this! - Michael Forian
YES!!!!! hahaha BMW still owns the road dude! LOL - Susan Beebe
mark no one's reading the thread. - Richard Lawler
Bigger ad budget - orionstarr
can you say "penis envy"? - Michael
BMW beat Audi when the morons switched brands. These days the idiot stuck to your bumper in the fast lane is more likely to be in an audi than another car - Phill Price
@Phil, who's the moron, the guy on your rear bumper or the guy obstructing traffic in the "fast" lane? - Michael Hart
teh awesome - j1m
wow. no one reads the comments - Richard Lawler
? I've now read them, but I'm not sure what you're referring to. - j1m
click the link in my first comment. - Richard Lawler
Steven Perez
io9 - 15 Evil Corporations in Science Fiction - Evil corporations - http://io9.com/5217560...
io9 - 15 Evil Corporations in Science Fiction - Evil corporations
"If you're looking for a job, here's a list of successful, influential corporations you might want to work for. That is, as long as you don't ask too many questions." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
It's missing Badwolf Corp. though ;) - Michael W. May
Ah, but Rose Tyler was the Bad Wolf. :) - Steven Perez from IM
Liked for the Tyrell Corp. pyramid shot. - Phil Glockner
Hmm this triggered me to download Soylent Green. Never watched it. - Meryn Stol
I don't think it counts as a spoiler if the movie has been out for over 20 years. :D - Steven Perez from IM
Dave, I know the clue of the movie. My father has told me about it. Thanks for caring though. - Meryn Stol
Was HAL a corporation, or just a product name? - John E. Bredehoft from fftogo
Nope, just a product that got conflicting orders. At least, that's what they said in 2010. - Steven Perez from IM
is the umbrella corporation in there? - docrivs
Oh, that's a good one docrivs! Umbrella corp. should totally be in there. It isn't though. - Phil Glockner
Well, they only allotted themselves 15 spots, and Lord knows there are certainly more evil corporations that that. :D - Steven Perez from IM
Corvida
Tweetmi - A real-time topic tracker powered by Twitter http://tweetmi.blogspot.com/2009...
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Jeremiah Owyang
What's the difference between Friendfeed and Facebook? List them out below:
Facebook defaults to non-live, which is much easier for the mainstream user. I'd still like an in-between though. Update every 2 minutes or so. - Jesse Stay
like the old FriendFeed :-) - Jesse Stay
Search - you can search for information anywhere on FriendFeed, you can't do that on Facebook. - Hutch Carpenter
Because of Facebook photos, in-depth profiles and wall posts, I think you can get a more accurate picture of who a person is on Facebook. FB is more social than it is a network IMO - Michael
Subscribing - FriendFeed is the one-way follow, Facebook is the two-way subscribe model. FriendFeed lets you follow anyone, whether you know them or not. - Hutch Carpenter
Facebook has applications, but Friendfeeed does not - Jeremiah Owyang
They are different websites. - James Ferguson
"like" on Facebook doesn't bump the item on the top. "like" on Friendfeed doesn't notify you of new activity on that item. - Morton Fox
Relationships are asynchronous on friendfeed but not on facebook. I can subscribe to you but you're under no obligation to subscribe to me on FF. - Derek van Vliet
Facebook is private, friendfeed is for public conversations. - Robert Scoble
Facebook lets you automatically associate with a company or region. For FriendFeed, any such association would have to be manually created via a room. - John E. Bredehoft
+1 for Derek van Vliet - Jeremiah Owyang
My blog post today says that this new beta takes aim at Facebook: http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2009... - Hutch Carpenter
Facebook requires a 'real' identity, Friendfeed does not - Jeremiah Owyang
You can create 'imaginary users' in FF, but not in Facebook - Jeremiah Owyang
Friendfeed: fine control over what is displayed and good search. Facebook: don't miss things just because you were not there for the real-time stream. - Shamir Katsu
+1 for Derek van Vliet. The difference is relationship. - Ninh Nguyen
Watching this grow in real time, this is a REAL time chat room, Facebook is not - Jeremiah Owyang
FriendFeed is the real deal. - iTad
Good point J - is FF the new liveblog? - Daniel J. Pritchett
FB is not about conversation! - Vinit Sharma
Friendfeed is one step away from track; Facebook is still figuring out what the term means. - Karoli
agree with ron k jeffries: Facebook is more of a hub; Friendfeed is more of a stream of activity - Chris Rogers
All of my friends are on Facebook, none are on Friendfeed - Jamie
That is, how are FF threads going to compete with Twitter hashtags when it comes to blogging conference sessions or other live events? - Daniel J. Pritchett
facebook is and should only stay as an advanced phonebook - Stuart Evans
For the most part, in Facebook, I follow people because I know them. Here, I follow people because I find their output interesting. Hence I use Friendfeed much much more than I do Facebook, which is largely full of idiotic quizzes and inane apps to join. - Ian May
This is a *great* way to handle Scoble's famous "Here's why:" threads. - Daniel J. Pritchett
FriendFeed is a live discussion -meeting place -Facebook is more like a home..I like them both, but spend more time on friendfeed, because my interest is in the discussion...not just "hanging out" - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Liked the old FF UI since I could slow down the noise and filter out "real-time" - tony
Daniel, that's a good point - maybe they could make the comments real-time, but allow you to just pause the updates (or slow them down). I can handle real-time comments on updates - that's kinda nice, actually. - Jesse Stay
Super awesome bonus feature: As the owner of this new thread, wouldn't it be cool if Jeremiah could mix in another feed? Let's see this conversation interlaced with (or side by side with) a search on FF or on Twitter for relevant threads. - Daniel J. Pritchett
Facebook sucks - FriendFeed doesn't :-) Also - people who I don't want to talk to from High School are not on FF - andy brudtkuhl
Now that this cool discussion is going on, I want to see what else is happening in the "FF Beta" discussion space right now, without leaving this page. Better to let J (or any reader honestly) create the link and share it in-thread. - Daniel J. Pritchett
Was wondering about this. - Roberto Bonini
Jesse, that's a good idea, I noticed it ques up the updates, maybe we could adjust the que.... - Stuart Evans
I like being able to Queue a specific conversation. Might be better putting new comments on the top to avoid the need to scroll. - Glen Group
Facebook now doesn't care about relationship as much as before. It's not really real anymore. I see smb has thounsands of friends that's impossible but still remaining real identity. - Ninh Nguyen
Facebook is an utility for social relationships, Friendfeed is a tool to manage information and communication. - heri
heri - that's my thought as well - Hutch Carpenter
Facebook deploys an algorithm to determine feed contents. FriendFeed is "all". - Alan Edgett
Friendfeed is more about connecting with content while Facebook is more about connecting with friends. - Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Instant niche conversations on micro-topics like this one right here is a big ++ vs. FB. - William Mougayar
FriendFeed has Early Adopters, facebook has your Grandma - Susan Beebe
FriendFeed has smart Googler's that earned their way to achieving fabulous product success; not a spoiled kid from Harvard who stole someone else's code to launch his product - Susan Beebe
FriendFeed is constantly innovating and leading the way while facebook copies them. - Susan Beebe
FriendFeed actually cares about user feedback and utilizes this info to release product improvements; whereas, facebook continually pisses off their customers with unreasonable TOS and other crap - Susan Beebe
+1 Susan! - Charlie Anzman
LOL @andy friendfeed is the innovator, facebook is the gorilla - Dobromir Hadzhiev
Facebook is defined by its many modes of direct interaction, whereas FriendFeed has a couple of means for direct interaction and many modes of passive interaction... - Clay Newton
FF is for the hyper-active. Internet has 5 speeds: LinkedIn, Facebook, Google, Twitter, FriendFeed. - William Mougayar
Shld be re-named FriendSpeed. - William Mougayar
FriendSpeed - Too Fast, Too Furious - Jesse Stay
Pause. Manual refresh. Works for Me. - Ian May
lol Jesse - Karim
I don't use Facebook - that's the big difference for me :) - LPH™ and his dog P™
LPH, exactly. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Facebook is a steaming pile of crap that makes it easy for people to annoy you with quizzes and crap. FF rocks. - Jeremy Brooks
seems like a live news feed on cnn of some sort. - quang ngo
FriendFeed has less of a focus on connections and community... - Simon T Small
Thomas Hawk
SnapShot of friendfeed.com (rank #2,095), twitter.com (#72) - Compete - http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf...
SnapShot of friendfeed.com (rank #2,095), twitter.com (#72) - Compete
Holy Moley Guacamole. It's time for the monthly Compete.com FriendFeed vs. Twitter Post. For the month of March Twitter knocked the cover of the ball with an eye popping 76.8% monthly growth rate. FriendFeed grew as well, but far less at 5.7%. I suspect that with the new FF beta though that FriendFeed may pick up some ground in April. thanks for the reminder Atul! :) - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
And they seemed to have kept pace with the growth... the twitter of 6 months ago would have imploded by now :) - Frankie Warren
More and more reason to delete my twitter account. Also considering deleting my facebook account. - Peter Kruit
What do you think about the new Friendfeed User Interface? See the poll: http://twtpoll.com/q68d2y - Yaron Orenstein
When I checked the graph I first thought the green line would be FriendFeed due to the recent beta release. - Daniel van Moll
The advantage to that is FriendFeed can take their time getting their systems in order to handle mass traffic. - Jesse Stay
But aren't you missing something without FB (#4) on that plot? Sort of puts things in perspective. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf... - Matsis
@Davis: Please don't draw Demi Moore into FriendFeed :) - Daniel van Moll
I'd like to see another chart that shows how many of those are one-time visitors who tweet, "Just seeing what the Twitter hype is all about". - Matt
Twitter is definitely hitting the mainstream. All the TV talk, the celebrities, etc. It's hard to go anywhere in mainstream culture today without hearing about it. I do thing next months growth rates will be interesting. I suspect that FF very well may have a higher growth rate than Twitter next month given the new beta. - Thomas Hawk
Frederic
trying out and reviewing the new FriendFeed interface - it's growing on me, but I'm not quite convinced yet
The gray background makes it 'console'-like. Like I'm looking at something from another web age/time period. It's cool, and not at that same time. But the uncomfortable feeling is weird, as it is undefined. I don't know yet the reasons behind that feeling. - Zu from AOD
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Christian (Simply X)
The Burger King Totally Looks Like Mel Gibson « Totally Looks Like… Famous People and Celeb Look-A-Likes - http://totallylookslike.com/2009...
The Burger King Totally Looks Like Mel Gibson « Totally Looks Like… Famous People and Celeb Look-A-Likes
So much creepy, so little time... - FFing Enigma
That picture of Mel looks like Jack Nicholson. - Rochelle
He just looks crazy. O_O - Derrick
lmao, that's perfect. - Quinton
LOL! - Jay
Jemm
Kol Tregaskes
"Following yesterday’s Charcoal House story, here’s another of Terunobu Fujimori’s projects photographed by Edmund Sumner: this time Takasugi-an, a tea house in Chino, Nagano Prefecture, Japan." - Kol Tregaskes from Bookmarklet
WOW! Looks like something outta Dr. Seuss! - Russell Wagner
Russell, good shout, yes it does. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Hope it's not windy there... - Christian (Simply X)
Louis Gray
Silicon Valley Hopes There is a Pot of Gold at the End of the Rainbow
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Even when it's dark and gloomy, there is always hope. You just have to know where to look. - Louis Gray
I was just seeing that rainbow out the window of the Specialty's here in Mtn View - Hutch Carpenter
I'm very optimistic about the future - just not the part of the future that occurs in the next 12-18 months. :) - iTad
Of course, this was taken via iPhone at an intersection when we were all stopped. No known laws were broken re: texting or calling. - Louis Gray
That's Silicon Valley all over - take something delightful and monetize it.. - Tim Ostler
@tim +1. - Patricia
I saw that this morning on my way to work...it's gonna be a good day :-) - tpy from fftogo
@Chris - it is if you shorted the markets - Alan Cheslow
@Tim, monetizing is delightful. :-) - Louis Gray
Dave Winer
GM says it may kill the Hummer brand. http://online.wsj.com/article...
No big loss! - Jeff P. Henderson
<deadpan> That's just awful. I may weep. </deadpan> - Ron Bailey
... hate to see the big guy go down </deadpan> - Johnny
... That's a real blow to the industry </deadpan> - Johnny
... got to suck for all involved </deadpan> - Johnny
I think the only people who will weep over this are Oil company execs. - Jeff P. Henderson
I will feel bad for those who work making Hummers, but the vehicles are ridiculous. Good riddance. - Rob McNair-Huff
Not sure I understand why they want to kill off Saturn. They are low cost, low price, relatively high mileage cars. Seems like that is what is selling right now as opposed to higher cost Buick and Cadillac models. - Jeff P. Henderson
Who are they to go around making decisions? Seems to me, GM should be asking what their new owners (The American Taxpayer) would like them to make. Windmills or light-rail trains anyone? - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
They want to kill Saturn because they destroyed the brand to the point where no one's buying them and the brand has one of the worst initial and long term quality records out there. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
@ Mark, makes sense. Pontiac has some pretty ho hum looking cars, with the exception of the Solstice. I can see how some of them could be cut also. - Jeff P. Henderson
I think had intended to do do away with the Hummer along time ago--they just kept running out of gas on the way to work. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
This has always been GM's Achilles heel. Too many brands which weakens their focus. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
But that means Earth 2 can never happen! - Alix May
It's taking them this long to come to that conclusion? They deserve to go under if they can't respond to realtime market conditions. - Jim Goldstein
Great, about time, me and my little Mazda are just plumb sick of saving the planet for everyone. - Martin Bayly
What about the Hummers already on the road? They need to pull them back too! - Mahesh CR
That'll make them collectors items once again...the H2 not H3. - mj
yeah!!! - Susan Beebe
great news. - andrei_c
Matthew makes a good point on the pointlessness of the Hummer 2 and 3 - in its current form killing it off is a good thing. - Ben Watson from twhirl
Mona Nomura
Whoa - media shows up from TinyUrl now.
Mona N. - FriendFeed.png
interesting - Josh Haley
This IS a surprise. - Ron Bailey
looks like it for any shortener links for YouTube - COOL! - jyamasaki
I understand URL 'shorteners' for Twitter or anything using SMS, but people's use of them (and the # available) outside of that is absurdly unnecessary. Thanks for another simple, yet helpful, feature, FF. - coldbrew
FFing Enigma
Watching SNL and realized that one of the Jonas brothers looks like Shia Lebouf and John Cusak had a love child
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those dudes are on SNL? castrate me now. I don't fit in this world anymore. what happened to John Belushi? - NoahDavidSimon
Noah, they were the musical guest. I use the word 'musical' lightly. Heck, at least Hanson can sing... - FFing Enigma
Whilst I don't care for their music, I do appreciate what the little one (on the right) is doing to raise type 1 diabetes awareness. - Vicky
LOL @ "the little one on the right" - Paul Reynolds
Hey - it takes talent to lip-sync convincingly - Martha
Saturday was the first I'd heard them play. Not especially thrilling... - FFing Enigma
@noah he died.. quite a while ago now. Then, in the time between people upped their prudishness and have been taking anything clever but of potential offense off TV and replaced it with mind rot. Then again, TV has always been filled with loads of mind rot compared to anything that has a modicum of intelligence about it, so nothing new really. - alphaxion
I'm old. - Derrick
Derrick - I'm ahead of you and it isn't too bad. - Russellreno
hahahahah - Shevonne
Jonas Brothers are merely the gateway drug for the children to delve deeper into past classics like New Kids On The Block. - Martha
Chris, that is Brilliant!!!!! - Martha
Corvida
First Screenshot of Google Chrome for Mac - http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009...
First Screenshot of Google Chrome for Mac
First Screenshot of Google Chrome for Mac
"More about the progress of Google Chrome's Mac port: * Mac Detailed Status: "Our new goal is to have a multi-process browser limping by the end of the quarter." * Build instructions: "Right now, the Mac build is a work in progress. The TestShell project builds and is able to render web pages, and this area is currently under active development, but work has yet to begin on the user interface of the main Chromium application."" - Corvida from Bookmarklet
Thomas Hawk
Wow, I love this, simply amazing! :) - Danielle Closs
It's a great shot, but what is it exactly? A refinery, or a powerplant? - Michael Fidler
Stunning shot! - Neya
it's a refinery. :) - Thomas Hawk
Fantastic shot indeed. I was actually thinking about this shot when I was at the camera store earlier... it and the 14mm :) - TranceMist
@TranceMist lol! Moreso the 14 mm? :P - Danielle Closs
I love the reflection. - Beau Liening
Great view! - Tyson Key
Long Beach harbor CA? - Susan Beebe
Yep Susan, Long Beach Harbor exactly. - Thomas Hawk
Louis Gray
How can the Web truly be “open” when only young white male geeks get to decide what the Web is? - http://dawnsplan.wordpress.com/2009...
How can the Web truly be “open” when only young white male geeks get to decide what the Web is?
Dawn writes: "“Sexism” is a word I very seldom use and certainly do not brandish carelessly. Neither do I mean it on an individual basis. These days most men aren’t ignorant-based bigots against women. But Silicon Valley and the Web itself are extremely “institutionally sexist” given the fact that the vast majority of VCs, technologists, and tech reporters/bloggers are male. Even as women are now online in greater numbers than men, female ideas and wants and desires largely go unexecuted. " - Louis Gray from Bookmarklet
While there's definitely a serious gender disparity, anyone who thinks that Silicon Valley is run by 'only white people' hasn't been inside most of these companies. - Kevin Fox
I don't think that's true Louis -- I sure don't think of myself as young, and I think I help "decide what the web is." If someone wants to make the web do something new, thereby changing what it is, what exactly is in their way? This is a very offensive article in many many ways! - Dave Winer
I commented on the post, and shared this to get more discussion, which is happening. Kevin is right in terms of the diverse nationalities powering these companies - and the Valley itself. Dave is right in terms of the fact that he's out of his 20s and still coming up with great ideas. Dawn's take is that the majority of ideas, and funding are going to companies with these backgrounds. - Louis Gray
I say we execute 10,000,000 Caucasian American males! After all, everything is their fault! - Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Articles like this get written every year and nothing happens. Kevin and Dave's responses here are typical of the responses these articles generate, albeit a lot less crass than the same responses I've seen in the past. But the denials mean nothing. When I go to tech events and seemingly get ignored by everyone one does have to wonder. The females who get attention or either eye candy or have power, but they're almost always white (or Asian). - Anika
What's more, these same articles get written every year in political blog circle too and everyone is quick to point out that Markos (DailyKos guy) is Latino. All the excuses in the world aren't going to change what's really happening. There's a reason Digby didn't let anyone know she was a woman for years. If people had known, she would have put in some 2nd o 3rd tier political blogging circle. - Anika
I don't think it's sexist, cause there isn't someone stopping them doing this. My own industry (Network Administration) gets leveed with the "sexist" tag because there are very few women doing the job. The major reason why is because there are few women that want to do this job. How many women are interested in technology to the level that we love it? Male geeks are a minority, girl geeks are an even smaller minority than the male one! I think the problem isn't sexism but rather the way kids are brought up - alphaxion
Just look at how many parents get worried if their little girl shows more interest in cars than dolls. If more girls are exposed to technology from a young age then their interest in it will continue into adulthood. The phrase "sexist" is thrown around too easily in an attempt to explain away such a marked difference in demographics when there's more going on than males stopping women from getting into these positions. - alphaxion
How many parents get worried if their girl shows interest in cars? - Anika
The fact that there is even a name for this kinda behaviour (tomboy) shows you how ingrained the mindset is that girls should play with dolls and make believe kitchens instead of cool robots and science kits. Someone I know jokingly comments that his kid is "a lesbian for sure" because she adores dinosaurs (though he does encourage her to be interested in things like that). - alphaxion
there is a social stigma surrounding girls that like things that have somehow been deemed "boys toys", likewise the same is also said about boys that are interested in "girls toys". Here's a simple test you can do, ask some random people what they think about computers. The majority of people, male and female, will see them as tools. A very small percentage will say they're cool. I'm willing to bet that more males than females will answer this way. That's where the problem is, that's not sexism. - alphaxion
Problem #1 – Silicon Valley’s inability to judge if an idea is truly good or not...LOLOLOL NO COMMENTS!!!!!!!!! Here is my er... example LOL :))))) http://twitter.com/SexySEO... - Lora Lufark
Thank you very much for getting discussion going, Louis! The main point I'd like to make clear is that while Amazon HAD to be created by a tech guy, that's no longer the case. There are a lot of great Web companies that could be created if people with nontech experience and skills could get funding and direct the development - paying the people who actually execute the plans with cash... more... - Dawn
Lora, I think just like in the liberal blogosphere, sheeple want to know who says something, rather than committ to a position. So, there are times, that I or others have written entries, only to have people pooh-pooh them, then Markos or Jane Hamsher writes the same thing weeks or months later and then the sheeple baaa their way into agreement. I see that just looking at how people respond to Louis or Robert S. I've seen others here posit similar items, yet they get shot down, mocked and/or ignored. - Anika
Actually that is only true if you are in the US. I'm in China and it certainly is not the case. Maybe it's only white male geeks if you are in the US and read English? - Paul Denlinger
If are ready for diversity then we need to promote it, that simple my 2 cents - Dan owns Comicsforge.com
btw, I started a room a month ago called "What Women Want" that's supposed to take a look at women's needs/desires vs. men's when it comes to the Web. We need more people! If you're at all interested, please look it up and give it a shot. Thanks! - Dawn
@anika I encounter that all the time, I'll say something and everyone ignores it. The same thing is then mentioned by someone like Chris Pirillo and suddenly "that's a great idea". I wonder if it's because people want this info to come from people who hold some form of authority in the realm they exist within. Until they say it, everything else is just some crackpot running their mouth. - alphaxion
FYI, here's what I wrote in the first post about the "What Women Want" room: This past month since I've started my "Dawn's Plan" blog, I've written a few posts about how I believe the Web needs more soft anthropology added to hard technology. I know I'm hitting a chord with women, because they keep writing to me and cheering me on! Clearly, women have some dissatisfactions with the WWW,... more... - Dawn
I once was told a story about a game called monopoly. A group of players had been at the monopoly table for three hours. They had amassed property and were acutely aware of the rules and how the game was best played to acquire property. Then comes along prospective players who wanted to sit at the table and play the game after standing and observing for some time. Finally, one of the group members offered a seat at the monopoly table to one of the observers. - bcultral
I've just joined the "what women want' room (http://friendfeed.com/rooms...) because, yes, I'm a woman (lots of people are surprised about that apparently). I've been using technology in work in one form or another for most of the last 20-odd years and there is still an assumption that technical stuff will be only done by men. But sexism is a tricky thing to even define. There appears to have been progress made and I would hope that a person's gender... - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Once seated at the table the observer realized with embarassment that with no money or property the game would be impossible to compete. Thus pressure was put on the Player who offered the seat to loan or give a start up stake to the new player......This is what I see in this thread....I think there is promise in this way of thinking concerning inclusion and openess, So, I would address racism as well as sexism as potential impediments for inclusion. ps Anika, I feel you @bcultral - bcultral
...or ethnicity, or orientation or any other characteristic does not determine their opportunities. I don't think this is the case yet but I also don't think it's a foolish dream. My daughters are familiar and comfortable using computers and have no worries about being seen as weird. Where there are problems like Patricia and Anika have outlined it is important to stand up and say it isn't right. No one should be sidelined because of prejudice. - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
if you can ignore websites like nonsociety which just make women look worse..... - Terry O'Fee
But I was slightly confused by the article because it seemed to imply that all 'high-tech geeks' are men, and that just isn't the case. It might be that most high-tech geeks with power' are men, and that does appear to be true. Not all the ideas-people are women, not all the engineers are men. Enabling all people who have good ideas (but perhaps no technical knowledge on how to implement) to have a shot at seeing those ideas realised is an interesting idea. A side-effect of the credit crunch might... - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Robin: Great story; perfect illustration. The only thing I would add is that with the Web, it's not a zero sum game. Everybody will prosper more as great people show up who just need that seat at the table. "By lifting up others, we life up ourselves." WorldofHiglet: thanks for joining. - Dawn
...be better modeling that will allow non-technical people the freedom to explore and develop ideas. - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Dawn zero sum game it is not: India to launch a $10 laptop, - bcultral
+1 to WorldofHiglet for that last sentence. Perfect! - Dawn
Patricia, I'd love to!! Your place or mine? ;) - Dawn
@dawn, lol. email me! it's on my site - www.dailypatricia.com - Patricia
I should take my case as a point. I presented at a VC gathering at the Hatchery.vc last week. I was one of two persons of color at the event. I was actually set up to fail in the presentation setting and delivery of my startup. I am the founder of SpokenWord.Tv and have designed a software I believe will shift the paradigm of communications and social networking and media. This idea seems to frighten and offend in that it is too simple. Anyway, I maintain the audacity of hope. - bcultral
Patricia, Thank You for the offer of assistance...which email address?@bcultral. - bcultral
It rather annoys me when people just pooh-pooh women off and claim we just aren't interested in tech, and that's why we aren't visible. I know darned sure I'm not the only tech-loving female out there. Hopefully the "you don't exist" voices will be silenced before too long. - MiniMage
Msg sent. Thank you Patricia I apologize for requesting you disclose your email rather than finding it on your website :) @bcultral - bcultral
alphaxion, instead of talking in generalities & abstracts, lets focus on the fact that articles like this are written all the time and women who are in tech, look at it and say, "damn skippy". What your random friend does with his kid, has nothing to do with having to read articles like this every year for the past 15 years and the impact this has the lives of these actual adult women. - Anika
I was having a similar discussion the other night with Sheryl Sandberg, Mike Arrington, and Arianna Huffington. Sheryl pointed out that many of the top executives at Google are women. She is no. 2 exec at Facebook now. On the other hand the sexism in this industry is pretty deep. Arrington told us about all the sexist comments they have to delete from TechCrunch when women reporters work for them. He had one reporter quit after two weeks because of the comments. - Robert Scoble
But a lot of females aren't helping the situation any. - Mona Nomura
I find that Dawn's use of me is pretty inaccurate. I have flown 150,000 miles in past year to get outside of Silicon Valley. I am writing to you from Davos. Here sexism is far deeper. The politicians, media, and finance companies are mostly run by old white males. I find far more diversity inside EVERY Silicon Valley company. Second, she misquotes me on number of followers. One reason I don't like Dawn is I find she just does not treat other people very well and she is often inaccurate in her writings. - Robert Scoble
(I blocked Dawn during political season because I found she was very uninformed and she was inaccurate and abusive back then, too, something I find is leaking out again in this post). - Robert Scoble
Mona: this problem is deep and is not going to get solved easily. Back in 1994 during my first computer programming conference I helped plan (Visual Basic Insiders Technical Summit) 425 males showed up and two women did. Today conferences are about 20% women. My wife talked with Sandberg about how women often are tougher for other women to work for. She said this is a problem and one that is overcome with good coaching -- she says she is noticing that changing in the valley, though. - Robert Scoble
By the way, Huffington got funded and she is not a geek. - Robert Scoble
Robert - I agree, that things are slowly starting to change in the Valley and hopefully it will start changing in the blogosphere as well. :) BTW I would love to meet Maryam one of these days. I've only heard really great things about her and she sounds so sharp and insightful. You are a lucky, lucky, man! - Mona Nomura
Mona you are welcome at our house anytime. I am lucky, agreed! - Robert Scoble
Mona it should start changing due to Arianna Huffington, although even Arrington is hiring women (just hired another one two weeks ago). She has $25 million in funding. I am sure she will hire some great writers over the next few years. - Robert Scoble
I think offering up Huffington is unfair. Her background of high-powered exes and syndicated columns puts her in a different category. To go back to politics, it's like Jane Hamsher. Everyone says she's smart, but the reason the "A-list" liberal bloggers started touting her is because she's movie-industry famous. There are lots of other female political writers who are more intelligent & and less "bigoted" than Hamsher, but they get ignored because they didn't produce Natural Born Killers. - Anika
Thanks Robert :) I am a huge Milan fan, as well! And great Huffington post tidbit, thanks for sharing. :) - Mona Nomura
Hmmm I just read the piece and disagree with a majority of points. In this day and age a good idea is a good idea, sharp individuals are sharp individuals, regardless of race, sex, and stature. It is great to celebrate the differences between female and males, but shedding more light to the separation by labeling may be hindering towards progression of being treated as "equals". Shouldn't it be a group/room to discuss opposing views open to anyone as opposed to *just* females? - Mona Nomura
Anika - but it's a start and that's what's important. As more aggregating services become widely used, the tight knit blogging community will no longer be a small circle, due to exposure of the 'less known'. What's important and should be the focus is not dwelling on the past, but how and what we (the 'little people') choose to say and how we present ourselves, to gain the same interest and following as those currently in "A-list" status. - Mona Nomura
Anika: this is life. Deal with it. Danl Lewin, co-founder of NeXT, told me that Steve Jobs talked IBM out of $500 million without even having a prototype. I could not do that. He got it done based on his past experience. Arianna did the same. Good for her! Shows this is not a women thing, but rather a human thing. How do we get a broader range of people to be successful? This is a tough, tough, issue. - Robert Scoble
I have experienced more gender bias in some places than in others. The gender bias against female programmers I experienced in the UK was enough to make me walk away from the profession for three years. - Lisha Sterling from twhirl
Somebody told me that Robert is once again spreading hateful things about me, so I read this thread on another browser that doesn't have me logged into FF. He stated: "One reason I don't like Dawn is I find she just does not treat other people very well and she is often inaccurate in her writings." I'd like for him to show even one example of me treating somebody poorly. And as for... more... - Dawn
...was for many years, which I am not and never was and never would be. I'm a mainstream Catholic and proud of it. I defended myself against Robert's anti-Christian bigotry and will continue to defend myself as he makes these ridiculous accusations against me. Not treating people nicely? Robert knows that in the past few years my husband died just three days before our 25th wedding... more... - Dawn
@alphaxion but it *is* sexism when you raise your children like that and label kids who like the "opposite genders' toys" to be gay or abnormal. Sexism isn't just what happens at the very last moment leading up to a job. It's also sexist that male-dominated interests and professions are both higher paying and more highly valued, and that studies show that when women begin to dominate a... more... - Lisha Sterling from twhirl
Dukeswharf, I have no hard feelings against Robert, as I wrote when he blocked me: http://friendfeed.com/e... That he did that actually surprised me (it took me a while to figure out what happened) and, frankly, it hurt my feelings, because I had thought we were friends and he often said he *liked* being... more... - Dawn
...and to my future prospects. It's not true what he said. I don't deserve this. - Dawn
I'm not saying the labelling of people when they're brought up isn't sexist, I'm pointing at that being a massive contributer to the current situation. I've been a network admin for 10 years and I've never stopped a woman joining my department, the problem is that no women have ever applied to the job openings (we've had a couple in the desktop support in that time). The lack of women in an industry isn't always because of active sexism from the people in that department. That's what I'm saying. - alphaxion
I think the problem stems from how we bring up children and pidgeon hole them early - that is certainly sexism. But blaming an industry for being "sexist" purely based on the lack of women isn't looking at the real cause and is jumping to conclusions. As I said, in my 10 years of netadmin I have never seen a woman apply for the openings in our department. Am I then sexist for having never employed one in my team? - alphaxion
Hey, Dukeswharf, didn't you read above what I said, that I'm *Catholic.* I know all about forgiveness. Ha! Okay, I'll officially say it for your benefit. I forgive, Robert. I apologized to him on my blog and I'll never mention him again in any of my blog posts so he won't feel compelled to beat me up anymore and I won't have to forgive him again later. ;) - Dawn
bearing in mind that I actively encouraged and then financed my GF to go through uni on a video game design degree - she is one of only 2 or 3 girls in her year (she's in the final one now). Video Games is also a very heavily male dominated industry too. I do find it disgusting that women get paid less than men for the same job, but then I'm currently paid about £6k less than my market average so I think it is also partially down to the individual company as well as attitudes of the managers. - alphaxion
Alphaxion: I specifically said in this article that I am talking about *institutional sexism* which is not the same as individual sexism. No, you are not sexist for never employing a woman on your team. - Dawn
@dawn what I'm trying to point out is that the problem is, people will jump to conclusions of institutional sexism when there isn't such an artificial barrier to entry. There may be a different cause that results in a lack of female participation - be it sexism during their upbringing or just that it is such a niche thing that it's minorities of both genders that get interested enought to choose it as a career in the first place. - alphaxion
I know plenty of female CSE's. And NOBODY gets to decide "what the Web is", because it is what's on it, and anybody can put anything they want on it. - Will Higgins™
However, don't think I'm suggesting that all is equal because it certainly isn't, I agree that lower wages is a sign of institutional sexism, so too is how children are brought up. It's not always in the workplace as to where the sexism originated. Ask any male geek whether they'd like to see more women in their particular avenue of interest/career and the majority will say they would love to. But ask women what industry they would love to work in and I can bet you that not many of them will suggest tech. - alphaxion
Alphaxion: Sure, I think men will always dominate tech, and that's fine with me. What my bigger issue is that tech shouldn't keep so much power and control to itself alone. Nontech people should ideally be able to direct techies to develop things that the techies wouldn't necessarily create themselves. Take FF for example. If it had been a team of women doing the initial design, it... more... - Dawn
of course.. diveristy is the spice of life :) If one thing working in IT has taught me is that so few people are interested in tech enough to suggest ideas like that. They see tech as part of their job and as a tool, not as part of their social life. This is changing tho, especially since the likes of facebook et al have certainly shown many that tech can be a part of their social life. This will, in turn feed into tech as they begin to realise what we techies have been telling them for the past 2decades! - alphaxion
the photo meetups that I go to typically have a lot more females than the tech meetups that I go to. - Thomas Hawk
American culture is built on the concept of the lowest common denominator. Mass marketing itself with campaigns and launch dates and all the agon of competition is a war to spread stereotypes and present a popular culture that is built on coarse and common concepts. Geeks are stereotyped, men and women are stereotyped, all of us are lumped in one pile or another when we are all. in fact, individual and subtle. More women media and tech leadership would transform it. We are missing 50% of our talent. - Phil Boiarski
i work in the tech industry, more gaming side of it and there's one female pokie tech who works for the big company that is australia wide. - Terry O'Fee
isms as impediments... - bcultral
This thread proves why we need threaded conversations here. I can't follow anything any more! - Anika
Interesting how the title of this post inferred exclusion but immediately directed the focus to Sexism. I mention isms as impediments to broaden the subject to the systemic dynamics which create exclusion. For me personally, exclusion invokes thoughts and feelings of structural and personal racism. Unfortunately, many do not understand just how racism works structurally. Because racism is systemic, individuals have difficulty identifying the role they play in perpetuating racism. . - bcultral
Tech holds on to stuff so tightly because when it doesn't it gets screwed. This has been proven time and time again. - Kevin
Robin: I agree with you and I think it's a great point. I did intend for the post to speak to all exclusions, but being a white woman, when it comes to sharing details and examples, I'd feel awkward and maybe even disingenuous trying to speak for racial minorities. Again, I think you're point is well taken. A lot of people reacted to this post as a personal attack, as me accusing them... more... - Dawn
Kevin: What do you mean? I'm interested to hear more. - Dawn
It is True that a lot of the Main A-Lister Web2.0 Tech Voices are White Males thankfully there are also great Female Voices like Emily from eHub + Susan Mernit of Yahoo! + some other less Visual Minorities being heard* but there's no doubt the Old White Boys Club rules the VC Roost in Silicon Valley* - Billy Warhol
Robert Scoble
I just gave a talk to about 30 top executives around the world (non tech) and almost none knew about Twitter, Qik, Kyte.
Can you name some of them? - Chetan Bhawani
This does not surprise me at all. - Suki Fuller
I'm guessing they do now! - Simon May
Spread the twitter-awareness :) - Sasha Kovaliov
this does not surprise me. i have spent a lot of time in industrial companies and email is the most advanced tech that has traction. can't even get secure sharepoint sites to get traction with execs! - Jeff DiStanlo
welcome to the analogue world ;) - Sascha Pallenberg
Were you surprised? It amazes me how few people (in general) know about these....especially Twitter. - Vinny
I am not surprised. The day these and other such folks get onto social media, social media will be passe ;) - A. Prem Kumar
People don't know about Twitter?! What! - frank barry
Ya i suspect by end of 2009 it will have hit mainstream consciousness, but still obscure now. - Brian Carter
not surprised. even some of my friends in tech doesn't know twitter - AJ Batac
I just can't believe it. Do these people live under a rock? - Happy
It would have been a surprise if they had. Good job Robert is on hand to spread the word. - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
There was a seminar on social media and communications in Toronto last night and a few people had never heard of Twitter, either. Is it really surprising or are we just to immersed in it? - Bonnie Dean
It took me years to get around to wanting to use Twitter. I read about it regularly at Coding Horror (ex: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog...) for at least a year but I just didn't see the point. I finally registered because I wanted to reply to a friend's tweet. I think for a lot of people it's more of a reticence to join social networks than plain technophobia. - Daniel J. Pritchett
that says something doesnt it? - Richard Binhammer
This is not surprising. Recall that John McCain does not even use email. And I am sure most, if not all, of these "top" executives are part of McCain's generation. - Joe Lima
I haven't touched Qik/Seesmic/Kyte because I can't work out the difference. Not surprised most won't have heard of them or Twitter - Luke
Robert, send them an invoice for innovation consulting! ;-) - masa media - Martin
Make a list of top execs who do know about social media. - stefan hyttfors
Not Surprising, I'd consider myself fairly Tech savvy and although i've been registered for ages i only just started Tweeting. Although given the publicity it's had in the last few weeks i'm slightly surprised. - Jamie Vidamour
but i guess they know about Facebook ? well, i think twitter is more for more tech people - Junal Rahman
Do you think their assistants know about those technologies? My understanding of CEO responsibility is that they have to think on a super broad and strategic level. Many of those technologies are about integrating tiny pieces of information into something bigger. Since that's not really their job, I would think those services would be off the CEO's radar until they have an impact at that high level. Right? - David Wynn from fftogo
Our CMO @BestBuyCMO relayed a similar experience at a CMO dinner he was one or two of 10+ who knew about the tools and he certainly was the top user of them. - Ben Hedrington
It's not surprising, if you think about it, but it's still unfortunate. Top executives are hardly "the mainstream" and if they're not in tech or marketing, those types of communication are not foremost in their minds. I know one chief exec. of a Fortune 1000 company who still has his "important" emails (as determined by his assistant) printed out and put on his desk every day. - Robert Clockedile from twhirl
This does not surprise me in the least. Yes, awareness is growing but anyone who assumes that our social media world has "made it' to mainstream is unclear on the concept. - Cathy Brooks from twhirl
What a surprise!! Here in Brazil I've asked to my friends and coworkers and nobody knew about Twitter. Well, some of my friends don't even check e-mails account daily... - Flavio Knopp
it goes to show that twitter, kyte, friendfeed, etc... haven't really hit the mainstream yet... user adoption will always be a problem no matter what platform or software is out there. - Jim J
Most of them can't even use email.... - Stuart Murray Walton
What is the point of Twitter, Kyte etc when hundreds of thousands of people are losing their jobs and we are in global economic crisis? Don't these top execs have bigger issues at hand? Are we drinking too much social media coolade in these times? - Andy Oliver
Dejim: I would not consider 30 executives not knowing about Twitter to equate to these services not being in the mainstream. It you ever worked with "top" executives, you'd be amazed by how much "mainstream" knowledge they really lack. - Joe Lima
That's not suprising. I still have to ask "Do you know what Twitter is?" - geekazine from twhirl
I'm doing a Social Media 101 seminar in a few weeks for entrepreneurs who haven't touched linkedin.com, facebook, or twitter. Seminar is full. We'll likely do 2 or 3 more. I'm not surprised at your group's ignorance. - Shelley Cadamy
I'm a publisher in medical technology market data and I continue to be stunned at how much behind the tech curve my audience of medtech companies is. Their rate of adoption of social media, like their adoption of new information technologies, lags at the same rate as physicians, who are traditionally slow to adopt any new technologies other than medical technologies. - Patrick Driscoll
Top *executives*? No surprise there, unless they're *tech* executives. Gates or Dell not knowing would be worrying, but should a boss at Exxon or Rolls-Royce (the aero engine company) know or care any more than we'd know or care about distillate refining or FADEC aero engine controllers? - James
I don't think we are drunk on social media when we say that in spite of the downturn and maybe because of it, we need to look at the enormous possibilities of social media at the very least as a brand loyalty mechanism(ie I am more apt to subscribe to products from companies/ people that I have a more intimate relationship with). - Phillip
The other issue with non tech executives not tuned in is their reluctance to accept ideas that don't have a direct and obvious connection to ROI. I have to admit (and I'm not blowing my horn) that during the pre-internet heydey, I felt like Tom Hanks in "Big" raising my hand to say, "I don't get it". Then, I couldn't understand why website traffic mattered more than revenue. - Patrick Driscoll
Recently, I spoke with a colleague of mine, a university professor of linguistics known as geek. I asked if someone is studying tweets' peculiar language and style from a scientific point of view. "Twitter?" he said, "Microblogging? never heard before". A geek, they say. Well... - PaperDoll
not surprised at all. You may try to ask if they know Firefox - ClubEddy - clubeddy.com
There's a whole tendency in social media toward rapidly accepting what's at the front edge of development, while at the back end, product managers, sales/marketing and other grunts are just struggling to hit their numbers. They don't live and breathe the latest info tool -- they live and breathe their own product. - Patrick Driscoll
OK, I'm hogging the airwaves, but one last point. When I look at new medical technologies emerging in the market, I have to bring in two very important perspectives: the opinion-leading early adopters (docs at universities or highly visible MD-consultants to industry) and the regular practicing physician working in the trenches of daily care. Social media evangelists would have me pay much more attention (I'm simplifying a bit) to the opinion-leaders. - Patrick Driscoll
I can understand that they don't know about Qik or Kyte, even I don't and I spend a lot of time on Twitter and FriendFeed... - Odi Kosmatos
You should get a hat! - Freida Wolden from twhirl
I don't think that social media is so important that everyone MUST take part in it. If I had more of a life (was a busy doctor or exec.), twitter and friendfeed would be the last thing that I would do in my spare time -especially twitter. - BEX
Carol Bartz doesn't use Flickr and she's Yahoo's CEO. Her daughter does use facebook to post photos though. - Thomas Hawk
Our organzation is doing well w/Facebook with more plans for expansion after receiving demographics that show a high number of professional level participants and 30 and up crowd. I always considered FB for kids. - R. Ferguson
I can belive Qik and Kyte. But Twitter. That is tough. Of course my CEO doesn't know what SEO is. - John Flynn
Robert, that does seem strange. But then I see smaller co's. and non-profits jumping into Twitter, FB,etc. faster. My theory is because start-ups and NP's are open to the pool of university student volunteer workers, interns, and beginners out there who are more saavy in this area. - Melanie Reed
Maybe it's the name...? Maybe they would prefer using something called The TwitCorp Group - Catherine Ventura
robert - did you talk to them about zoho, zocdoc, gomobo, freshbooks, etc ? - Allen Stern
not surprised. - anna sauce
They must not have any kids... or watch CNN <grin> Nice one, Catherine - love The TwitCorp Group - Cheryl Allin from twhirl
OMG there's a world OUTSIDE of Twitter and Soc Nets?! :P - Mona Nomura
cmon mona you should know by now that in the valley there are only a few products that can be talked about outside the valley by those inside the valley - scoble just doing his job :) ha! - Allen Stern
And to think, we just had an amazing tweetup in the Raleigh area last night of more than 200 tweeps. Triangle Tweetup was awesome. - Angela
Mona - LOL - say it ain't so!!!! - Susan Beebe
Yes, I agree with Freida, you should get a hat :) - Michael Forian
Non-tech CEOs is not surprising. However, depending on the kind of executive not knowing at least 1 like Twitteer may be troubling. For example if they are media companies or telecom companies then that is a more troubling thought than say the executive for a manufacturing company. Ultimately the lack of knowledge is a reflection of the type of talent they recruit and how that impacts their corporate culture now and in the future. - Altan Khendup
Did those same guys also show ignorance about Facebook- then we will know that we live on different planets - google,facebook,twitter are all helping to re-shape the way we communicate with each other- rgds- hiro bachani- http://www.merlin-me.com -Merlin Magical Gadgets - hiro
Amazing how a generational gap can preclude users from a given technology. I bet none of their friends are on Twitter either - Jameel
Unsurprising to me. I think the only interesting item might be how a company without a revenue model continues to raise money! In *this* economy, that is a story. - AJ Kohn
The elementary school I work at has started to hear about Twitter. It is going mainstream very quickly. - MarkCarras
Their on FriendFeed now are they? - paul mooney
My fiancée has heard of Twitter and she does her damnedest to avoid all this high-fallutin' technology. - Chris Charabaruk
Not a good mood if you want to build up goodwill and awareness of your brand. I mean, unless you're McDonald's or something. - Mike Nayyar
very small % of top exective in japan knows twitter either. - Yasuyuki Goto
Do they need to know? Is twitter going to get them out of their problems? Maybe their marketing managers do know? - santiromero
Why would they know or care about Twitter, Qik or Kyte? What's the business case? - Francine Hardaway
did they know about facebook - for global mainstream business leaders that at least should be known? - mike "glemak" dunn
Using our difficult economic circumstances to dismiss the tools of Web 2.0, be it Twitter, Facebook, or something else is to embrace the status quo. And if you hadn't noticed, the status quo isn't working. Web 2.0 offers a unique opportunity to reach out to customers, be they current or would-be customers, and engage them in a way previously not possible. As for me, I work for a... more... - Lee Allgood
did they know about computers? how about the internet? ebay? facebook? trying to quantify the time lag between reality and executives. - Dino
does that say something? twitter and all these things are not the most essential parts of businesses. these things are fun but there's lots of people i know who have no idea about twitter. people who invest so much time and effort in these things have to realise this. - Terry O'Fee
when things get really really tough these "social media experts" in the businesses will be the first to get the axe, sadly. - Terry O'Fee
the value of twitter? i know lots of successful businesses who would never even look at this kind of stuff. it's not as important as a lot of you people think. - Terry O'Fee
You people? Who you calling 'YOU people'. - Chris Saad
you people = the people who think the world would end if twitter shut down tomorrow... - Terry O'Fee
This post is a complete and utter déjà vu for me. Robert, did this happen another time upon which you posted a very similar statement. For a second there, I thought FriendFeed glitched and reissued an old entry. Maybe I'm just tired. - Micah
seems that twitter will have 30 more users. - pala
Um. I work under people who thinks blogging is new and uncharted territory. I'm in marketing. - myron
nonsurprising.. some of my teammates don't know about twitter. none of them know about qik. and i never heard of kyte! - Ihar Mahaniok
Zee.
I admit it...I was procrastinating. Behold, my new twitter background: - http://twitter.com/zee
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creative. - vijay
Cool! Where's my pic? :P - Shevonne
You should have slipped "Wheres Wally" in there... - Mo Kargas
Lol Mo :) I'll slip you in there Shevonne...won't tell you where though :) - Zee.
Hmmm. Cleavage but no Russellreno. surprising. - Russellreno
Very nice Zee! - iTad
nice one! - Penny
cheers Tad :) I added you Russell because you're so pretty! And i'd forgotten how hot Penny was, i added her twice! :P - Zee.
haha, thank you Zee!! :) - Penny
haha, you're not hidden on purpose Russell! :) --- ok, not that you probably care all that much but are now right under the bio area :) - Zee.
Kinda painful. - Clay Newton
boooooo Clay - no one ever really has to look at it for more than a few seconds :P - Zee.
reminds me of my shirt ;) http://friendfeed.com/e... - Tim Hoeck
ha yeah for sure Tim :) - Zee.
very kool...great idea - (jeff)isageek
Very cool Zee it turned out well. Thumbs up! - Larry Lewis
cheers guys, yeah i'm pretty chuffed (happy) with it - Zee.
Paul Buchheit
This is a little crass, but... I think that a lot of the crazy anger towards Michael Arrington comes from failing entrepreneurs who feel that he is "cockblocking" their startup. This stems from the misguided belief that getting on TechCrunch is necessary or sufficient for success.
The comments on TechCrunch are often full of these people complaining how awful, stupid, or corrupt TC is. If it was as simple as that, they would simply ignore TC, just like the other 99.9% of people on earth. Context: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Paul Buchheit
but then...how do you know his influence hasn't effected anyone?? you don't... - Rob Sellen :o)
Agree. TC is not your ticket to success. - AJ Batac
I do not defend haters in the slightest ... but I have to note that there seems to be some slight correlation between personal arrogance and negative attention online. - Nadine Schaeffer
I think i am going to do the "Leave Britney Alone" video for mike arrington. - Bernadette Balla
lmao @ bernadette - Rob Sellen :o)
The most vile frustration with Mike no doubt comes from some entrepreneurs that haven't been successful. I'd also believe you have some jealousy/frustration from other bloggers who don't think it is an even landscape for opportunity, and, as with YouTube, as you get deeper into the general populace, quality of comments gets extremely poor. The only interactions I've had with Mike in person, phone and e-mail were good. But he is very competitive and people can react badly to that. - Louis Gray
I talked about some of this back in July in regards to TechCrunch and Techmeme (http://louisgray.com/live...) and got some flack for it, but I don't want to repeat everything again. - Louis Gray
A lot of entrepreneurs are told that all marketing is good marketing. TechCrunch gets a lot of eyeballs... So naturally, if you're not featured, or featured badly, you might face an uphill battle at getting your product liked? Nice use of the word "cockblocking" - very Californication like :-) - Colin Charles from twhirl
Too many people, when life hands them crap, look around for someone to blame. Too many people give the internet too much credit. Also, this is the downside of celebrity. Celebrity is relative, and Mike is somewhat of a celebrity to the online startup crowd. It often pays to be unnoticed and under the radar. It sucks to be the target of hostility, unless you've earned it like Chaney or Madoff. - Jack&Cleo
Paul - totally agree with you. All the hate, drivel and trash mouth comes from folks who don't cut the mustard with Mike. They're all angry, upset and act like a bunch of fools, which actually further validates Mike's assessment against them. TC is a nice endorsement, when warranted, but is NOT necessary for a tech startup to succeed. TC / Arrington is NOT the only avenue for publicity / promotion of a product / service. - Susan Beebe
well the spitting and death threats are unwarranted, but how come none of the other bloggers face this ? - atul abraham from twhirl
I think Mike A. as usual is ahead of the trend... and 2009 will be the year where all of the openess and "putting yourself out there" gets a major reality check - via public online scandals (and lets hope not but I fear so tragedies) that are outcomes of us putting ourselves "out there" in a broader society that hasn't quite evolved to the level of the sometimes tough but always civil and never threatening industry insider valley/bay crowd. - andrew
atul, my point was that he's blocking their success, which is not a position most bloggers are in. - Paul Buchheit
so is he blocking them or do they only THINK he is ? ( seeing that he is so influential in the Valley and all .. ) - atul abraham from twhirl
Paul, we discussed the rising "celebrity" of the new tech leaders like you on our music and tech. talkcast. For most of my life I've dealt with celebs who must try to make sense of the fringe anger that is often directed at public figures. While it's wonderful to put a face on the code, it comes with some baggage. My heart really hurts for Michael and his family, regardless of what some may feel about him, the threats to visible personalities are an unfortunate reality. - michael sean wright
besides Arrington himself attributes it to " blogger infighting " in the WSJ Online - atul abraham from twhirl
Paul, I agree that ignorance is the problem. How did it arise, and how can things change for the better? How did TechCrunch come to loom so large in some people's minds, and why does it unsettle them? I will contemplate this. - Josh
I agree. If Arrington won't write about a startup on launch, then he'll write about it when it has gotten some traction. If you can't get traction without Techcrunch, there's something missing in your growth model. Big reporting upfront only helps to get a fast start. I don't think Techcrunch can't make or break anything. - Meryn Stol
Mike says tech bloggers inspired spitter. http://bit.ly/tFJJ - Dave Winer
That explanation makes me want to spit him ;) Seriously though, it's not clear how anyone other than the spitter himself would really know. It's difficult for me to believe that all the angry comments on TC (which are usually directed at the startup getting covered) are somehow the fault of other blogs. - Paul Buchheit
I haven't read all the reports -- do any of them say who the spitter was? - Dave Winer
IMHO, I think he's faced with envy. The human condition is like this, we want people who are successful. I can't tolerate happen to such violence, verbal or physical. They encroach on our freedoms ! - Guy Vander Heyden
whinger not a ninja - Bob Sonin
If you're spending time worrying about "What TechCrunch thinks", you're in the wrong business. Startups should care about what their customers think, not Arrington. Plus - just write a decent business plan, with some real revenue sources in it. You will get more benefit from that than a million blog posts. - Ian Betteridge
No matter what he wrote or didn't, arrogant or not, he doesn't deserve a saliva salute. - Phil Boiarski
He says that the tech bloggers inspired the spitter and death threat. Ok, but who inspired the bloggers, Mike? - Michael Forian
correct paul - tc is a data source for venturing minimally just like tc's peers - true funding decisions will come from business plan solidity and being able to properly represent same during due diligence - having tc comment pro or con doesn't mean that much in that process - mike "glemak" dunn
Paul, that joke seems uncharacteristically insensitive of you. Do you need more sleep? - Bruce Lewis from fftogo
If you think you need TC to succeed perhaps you need to rethink your business model. - Trae Ruge
I think Arrington has an amazing blog but a crappy personality. OF course, he blocked me on Twitter for saying he shouldn't put photoshopped crap on his blog with a news story. I expected better of him than your average fanboy blog. I'm not an entrepreneur wanting his attention, I just wanted to give some (maybe snarky) constructive criticism. He didn't like it and his response was juvenile. - Nathan Messer
Jason Goldberg
CNN-Facebook Live Feed, Very cool. - http://www.cnn.com/video...
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This is the first thing I've seen that has made me actually think, "Twitter Killer!" If this is the sign of things to come with FB connect, this is quite simply that: A very mainstream Twitter-like experience married with video or any sort of mainstream content = Twitter Killer. It doesn't replace Twitter but certainly will give mainstreamers less and less reason to try Twitter vs. just play along with experiences like this. - Jason Goldberg
I got booted off right when he started to take the oath of office, and it came on right after he finished. I missed it! I was so pissed, but this isa very promising platform now! - Michael Fidler from twhirl
I had a very smooth & stable CNN connection all the time over here in Germany. I also loved the four live channels. The Facebook 'window' lagged very fast ~4 minutes & in the end 30m. Closing & expanding resynced the flow (I was not logged in). - Markus Merz
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