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I've spent merely two days with the Perfect Pushups™ and I can already see results! Check me out...
Abbas Haider Ali, Joe Pierce, saeedeh and 23 other people liked this
Lovely looking young lady.
- Brian Sullivan
hi fabio
- grant fox
how you hidin' your junk in that outfit?
- William Harryman
Oh, Dear God...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Um. Not sure what's worse, the obvious toolbag, the nails, or the fact that she's wearing a blue doo-rag for a swimsuit.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
no brah!
- vijay
Is that even possible? How'd you achieve that so quickly?
- Andrew Trinh
Brad, you're obviously lying. You should go ahead and admit that you're actually using P90X.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
why? why? why?
- Valley
@Ha3rvey I've actually tried the P90X, but it didn't decrease the size of my man boobs as much as I wanted it to. Obviously, as evidenced by my pic, the Perfect Pushups are much more effective.
- Brad Williamson
Dude, I've been doing the Perfect Pushups for 2 years now, and my junk looks nothing like that. Maybe it really is the genes.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
O_O
- Anna Haro
o.O
- Like
Thanks for my Whiskey Tango Foxtrot moment of the night.
- Steve Lowe
HIDE!!!
- BeeLing
Thanks for all your positive reinforcement! I'll be sure to keep you updated on my continuing progress ;-)
- Brad Williamson
So Wrong!!
- BEX
I'd hit it--I know I have a baseball bat somewhere.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Hawt... I mean hide!
- Morton Fox
I´ll never sleep again... nightmares... mightmares...
- Marcos Vicente
WTF???? Who thinks that looks good?
- Adam Martin
I really tried hard to type "I'd hit it" as a joke....but I couldn't do it....I'd hit it with an SUV, though....
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Hahaha. I would hope not :)
- Adam Martin
WHAT???
- YoYo_P
Just proves my theory about natural selection...if men were attracted to her en mass, we'd see some roll reversal going on...
- Kandeezie
Bell, its your future wife
- cooper
I think the real debate should be over whether or not this person is, or has been, a man. I, for one, am totally confused.
- Brad Williamson
I think the real debate should be over why the hell we keep bumping this back to the top...LOL
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I usually don't recommend this, but "she" needs bigger implants.
- Matthew
اوووووووووووووووووووووووق
- میر ( ژوکر معترض ) موسوی
o.O
- Arash
Gawd....
- LJo Willy
Die, thread, die!!!
- Steve Lowe
LOL!
- John Blanton
from twhirl
louisgray on Tweetmi - http://tweetmi.com/louisgray
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- Hao Chen
from Bookmarklet
Check out this killer new twitter app called tweetmi: http://tweetmi.com/zaibatsu
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BMW pwns Audi - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Moses Kpetigo, Edward Zwart, Jennifer Taylor and 74 other people liked this
You have to click through to the photo to read the billboards full size.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Brilliant ad. And it doesn't hurt that the size of the BMW billboard is 5 times as tall as the Audi ad.
- Mike Doeff
I wonder if BMW paid for both billboards or if the Audi one is a legitimate Audi billboard.
- Thomas Hawk
did you see the newer audi ad? http://www.autoblog.com/2009...
- Richard Lawler
That is brilliant advertizing!
- Rene Wirtz
That is AWESOME pwnage!
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
nicely done
- BEX
Very good!
- jcunwired
What should Audi's reply back? Aside from that posted by Richard.
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
There's no way they can top this. Checkmate is final. Requesting a rematch would be very bad advertising.
- jcunwired
Illegal move
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
This is a known fact, Thomas ;) Thanks for posting this!
- Michael Forian
Actually Audi posted one to the right with their 2-seat sports car that said something like 'Not exactly' or something.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
YES!!!!! hahaha BMW still owns the road dude! LOL
- Susan Beebe
mark no one's reading the thread.
- Richard Lawler
Hahah Susan they sure do when I'm driving.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Bigger ad budget
- orionstarr
can you say "penis envy"?
- Michael
BMW beat Audi when the morons switched brands. These days the idiot stuck to your bumper in the fast lane is more likely to be in an audi than another car
- Phill Price
HAH! That's good work, BMW.
- cecily
@Phil, who's the moron, the guy on your rear bumper or the guy obstructing traffic in the "fast" lane?
- Michael Hart
teh awesome
- j1m
wow. no one reads the comments
- Richard Lawler
? I've now read them, but I'm not sure what you're referring to.
- j1m
click the link in my first comment.
- Richard Lawler
This "war" has been going on since ages: http://translate.google.com/transla...
- Tobias Boonstoppel
io9 - 15 Evil Corporations in Science Fiction - Evil corporations - http://io9.com/5217560...
Kol Tregaskes, Styx Bernhard, Travis Parsons and 10 other people liked this
"If you're looking for a job, here's a list of successful, influential corporations you might want to work for. That is, as long as you don't ask too many questions."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
It's missing Badwolf Corp. though ;)
- Michael W. May
Ah, but Rose Tyler was the Bad Wolf. :)
- Steven Perez
from IM
Liked for the Tyrell Corp. pyramid shot.
- Phil G
Hmm this triggered me to download Soylent Green. Never watched it.
- Meryn Stol
Sorry, just deleted my comment for Meryn's sake. Sorry if you read it.
- You.
I don't think it counts as a spoiler if the movie has been out for over 20 years. :D
- Steven Perez
from IM
Dave, I know the clue of the movie. My father has told me about it. Thanks for caring though.
- Meryn Stol
Yeah, okay. Phew. Never seen the movie, but I've seen the SNL sketch with Phil Hartman and John Goodman.
- You.
What, no Momcorp (Futurama)?
- You.
Was HAL a corporation, or just a product name?
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Nope, just a product that got conflicting orders. At least, that's what they said in 2010.
- Steven Perez
from IM
is the umbrella corporation in there?
- docrivs
Oh, that's a good one docrivs! Umbrella corp. should totally be in there. It isn't though.
- Phil G
Apparently this list is just not good enough.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Well, they only allotted themselves 15 spots, and Lord knows there are certainly more evil corporations that that. :D
- Steven Perez
from IM
Tweetmi - A real-time topic tracker powered by Twitter http://tweetmi.blogspot.com/2009...
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@TweetmiTopics Adding myself as a fan of FriendFeed on Tweetmi. Track this topic here http://tweetmi.com/FriendFeed
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What's the difference between Friendfeed and Facebook? List them out below:
Dimitar Vesselinov, Mark Burhop, Thomas Power and 45 other people liked this
Facebook defaults to non-live, which is much easier for the mainstream user. I'd still like an in-between though. Update every 2 minutes or so.
- Jesse Stay
it will take 5 years for your parents to get on friendfeed ;-)
- Damian Holmes
like the old FriendFeed :-)
- Jesse Stay
#1: No annoying spammy apps on FF. That is all.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Search - you can search for information anywhere on FriendFeed, you can't do that on Facebook.
- Hutch Carpenter
Because of Facebook photos, in-depth profiles and wall posts, I think you can get a more accurate picture of who a person is on Facebook. FB is more social than it is a network IMO
- Michael
Subscribing - FriendFeed is the one-way follow, Facebook is the two-way subscribe model. FriendFeed lets you follow anyone, whether you know them or not.
- Hutch Carpenter
Facebook has applications, but Friendfeeed does not
- Jeremiah Owyang
They are different websites.
- James Ferguson
"like" on Facebook doesn't bump the item on the top. "like" on Friendfeed doesn't notify you of new activity on that item.
- Morton Fox
Relationships are asynchronous on friendfeed but not on facebook. I can subscribe to you but you're under no obligation to subscribe to me on FF.
- Derek van Vliet
Facebook is private, friendfeed is for public conversations.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook lets you automatically associate with a company or region. For FriendFeed, any such association would have to be manually created via a room.
- John E. Bredehoft
+1 for Derek van Vliet
- Jeremiah Owyang
My blog post today says that this new beta takes aim at Facebook: http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2009...
- Hutch Carpenter
Facebook requires a 'real' identity, Friendfeed does not
- Jeremiah Owyang
You can create 'imaginary users' in FF, but not in Facebook
- Jeremiah Owyang
Friendfeed: fine control over what is displayed and good search. Facebook: don't miss things just because you were not there for the real-time stream.
- Shamir Katsu
Facebook still not streaming, no matter what they call it.
- Matt Martin
+1 for Derek van Vliet. The difference is relationship.
- Ninh Nguyen
Watching this grow in real time, this is a REAL time chat room, Facebook is not
- Jeremiah Owyang
Good point J - is FF the new liveblog?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
FriendFeed is the real deal.
- Chrimmus Tad
FB is not about conversation!
- Vinit Sharma
Friendfeed is one step away from track; Facebook is still figuring out what the term means.
- Karoli
agree with ron k jeffries: Facebook is more of a hub; Friendfeed is more of a stream of activity
- Chris Rogers
All of my friends are on Facebook, none are on Friendfeed
- Jamie
That is, how are FF threads going to compete with Twitter hashtags when it comes to blogging conference sessions or other live events?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
What Jamie said.
- John Samuelson
facebook is and should only stay as an advanced phonebook
- Stuart Evans
For the most part, in Facebook, I follow people because I know them. Here, I follow people because I find their output interesting. Hence I use Friendfeed much much more than I do Facebook, which is largely full of idiotic quizzes and inane apps to join.
- Ian May
This is a *great* way to handle Scoble's famous "Here's why:" threads.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
facebook is for old and new friends you want to talk or hear from once week, friendfeed is a conversation everyday
- Damian Holmes
FriendFeed is a live discussion -meeting place -Facebook is more like a home..I like them both, but spend more time on friendfeed, because my interest is in the discussion...not just "hanging out"
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Liked the old FF UI since I could slow down the noise and filter out "real-time"
- tony
Daniel, that's a good point - maybe they could make the comments real-time, but allow you to just pause the updates (or slow them down). I can handle real-time comments on updates - that's kinda nice, actually.
- Jesse Stay
Super awesome bonus feature: As the owner of this new thread, wouldn't it be cool if Jeremiah could mix in another feed? Let's see this conversation interlaced with (or side by side with) a search on FF or on Twitter for relevant threads.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Facebook sucks - FriendFeed doesn't :-) Also - people who I don't want to talk to from High School are not on FF
- andy brudtkuhl
Now that this cool discussion is going on, I want to see what else is happening in the "FF Beta" discussion space right now, without leaving this page. Better to let J (or any reader honestly) create the link and share it in-thread.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Was wondering about this.
- Roberto Bonini
Jesse, that's a good idea, I noticed it ques up the updates, maybe we could adjust the que....
- Stuart Evans
I like being able to Queue a specific conversation. Might be better putting new comments on the top to avoid the need to scroll.
- Glen Group
Facebook now doesn't care about relationship as much as before. It's not really real anymore. I see smb has thounsands of friends that's impossible but still remaining real identity.
- Ninh Nguyen
Facebook is an utility for social relationships, Friendfeed is a tool to manage information and communication.
- heri
heri - that's my thought as well
- Hutch Carpenter
Facebook deploys an algorithm to determine feed contents. FriendFeed is "all".
- Alan Edgett
Friendfeed is more about connecting with content while Facebook is more about connecting with friends.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Instant niche conversations on micro-topics like this one right here is a big ++ vs. FB.
- William Mougayar
FriendFeed has Early Adopters, facebook has your Grandma
- Susan Beebe
FriendFeed has smart Googler's that earned their way to achieving fabulous product success; not a spoiled kid from Harvard who stole someone else's code to launch his product
- Susan Beebe
FriendFeed is constantly innovating and leading the way while facebook copies them.
- Susan Beebe
FriendFeed actually cares about user feedback and utilizes this info to release product improvements; whereas, facebook continually pisses off their customers with unreasonable TOS and other crap
- Susan Beebe
+1 Susan!
- Charlie Anzman
LOL @andy friendfeed is the innovator, facebook is the gorilla
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Facebook is defined by its many modes of direct interaction, whereas FriendFeed has a couple of means for direct interaction and many modes of passive interaction...
- Clay Newton
FF is for the hyper-active. Internet has 5 speeds: LinkedIn, Facebook, Google, Twitter, FriendFeed.
- William Mougayar
Shld be re-named FriendSpeed.
- William Mougayar
FriendSpeed - Too Fast, Too Furious
- Jesse Stay
Pause. Manual refresh. Works for Me.
- Ian May
lol Jesse
- Karim
I don't use Facebook - that's the big difference for me :)
- LPH™ and his dog P™
LPH, exactly. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Facebook is a steaming pile of crap that makes it easy for people to annoy you with quizzes and crap. FF rocks.
- Jeremy Brooks
#1 for Haggis. I'm getting sick of the "apps" on Facebook. Gah.
- Amy H.
seems like a live news feed on cnn of some sort.
- quang ngo
FriendFeed has less of a focus on connections and community...
- Simon T Small
SnapShot of friendfeed.com (rank #2,095), twitter.com (#72) - Compete - http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf...
Sathish, Richard pancakhaus Walker, Mathieu and 28 other people liked this
Holy Moley Guacamole. It's time for the monthly Compete.com FriendFeed vs. Twitter Post. For the month of March Twitter knocked the cover of the ball with an eye popping 76.8% monthly growth rate. FriendFeed grew as well, but far less at 5.7%. I suspect that with the new FF beta though that FriendFeed may pick up some ground in April. thanks for the reminder Atul! :)
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
And they seemed to have kept pace with the growth... the twitter of 6 months ago would have imploded by now :)
- Frankie Warren
More and more reason to delete my twitter account. Also considering deleting my facebook account.
- Peter Kruit
What do you think about the new Friendfeed User Interface? See the poll: http://twtpoll.com/q68d2y
- Yaron Orenstein
When I checked the graph I first thought the green line would be FriendFeed due to the recent beta release.
- Dan van Moll
The advantage to that is FriendFeed can take their time getting their systems in order to handle mass traffic.
- Jesse Stay
But aren't you missing something without FB (#4) on that plot? Sort of puts things in perspective. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf...
- Matsis
It's all of the celebrities that are joining Twitter, they are sucking in the masses. We should kidnap our own celeb and convince them to join FriendFeed instead.
- Davis Freeberg
@Davis: Please don't draw Demi Moore into FriendFeed :)
- Dan van Moll
I'd like to see another chart that shows how many of those are one-time visitors who tweet, "Just seeing what the Twitter hype is all about".
- Matt
Twitter is definitely hitting the mainstream. All the TV talk, the celebrities, etc. It's hard to go anywhere in mainstream culture today without hearing about it. I do thing next months growth rates will be interesting. I suspect that FF very well may have a higher growth rate than Twitter next month given the new beta.
- Thomas Hawk
Not convinced about Friendfeed growth, but in my 15 minutes of current experience I like. You hit the nail on the head re Twitter media coverage, and I think that's why Twitter is going to keep growing for a while longer /outside the US/. Example: A few minutes Newsnight in the UK just linked up with a BBC Radio 5 radio show. The radio show has been taking comments via Twitter for tonight's cancer awareness special. In my UK based experience, Friendfeed is something you hear about via Leo Laporte... :-)
- Andy Bold
trying out and reviewing the new FriendFeed interface - it's growing on me, but I'm not quite convinced yet
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The gray background makes it 'console'-like. Like I'm looking at something from another web age/time period. It's cool, and not at that same time. But the uncomfortable feeling is weird, as it is undefined. I don't know yet the reasons behind that feeling.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Tesla Model S priced just under $50K, rest of car still shrouded in mystery - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
Steven Bryden, Sameer, Robert Stevens and 12 other people liked this
Would you buy one?
- Peter Butler
from Bookmarklet
Depends on the range and how long it takes to charge.
- Benjamin Golub
Until the charge time is similar to a conventional fuelstop electric cars will remain a curiosity.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Actually, cities in northern Canada have the infastructure in place. There are outlets in parking lots and on parking meters for the block-heaters. Why not plug your golf cart in while you have lunch or a meeting?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Gonna be unveiled this Thursday :)
- Private Sanjeev
my brother just convincing me to dump my current car for this..i am putting up a good fight..
- Jaimini
@Jaimini without the ability to fuel up on the fly it isn''t an option.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
The Burger King Totally Looks Like Mel Gibson « Totally Looks Like… Famous People and Celeb Look-A-Likes - http://totallylookslike.com/2009...
MiniMage TKDteacher of FF, tomit, Jorg Jansen and 49 other people liked this
So much creepy, so little time...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
LOL!
- Anna Lynn M.
ha! burger gibson!
- Парадокс Смейла
That picture of Mel looks like Jack Nicholson.
- Rochelle
He just looks crazy. O_O
- Derrick
lmao, that's perfect.
- Quinton
LOL!
- Jay
Anybody? - http://naurunappula.com/z...
Baard @ Pixum, Alfredo, Yu-Jie Lin and 13 other people liked this
no biggie - it's just my cousin Sherwood...
- Russell Wagner
The scariest Teahouse ever #shareit - http://www.dezeen.com/2009...
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"Following yesterday’s Charcoal House story, here’s another of Terunobu Fujimori’s projects photographed by Edmund Sumner: this time Takasugi-an, a tea house in Chino, Nagano Prefecture, Japan."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
WOW! Looks like something outta Dr. Seuss!
- Russell Wagner
Russell, good shout, yes it does. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hope it's not windy there...
- Christian (Simply X)
;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Silicon Valley Hopes There is a Pot of Gold at the End of the Rainbow
Gavin, Adam Singer, Travis Parsons and 18 other people liked this
Even when it's dark and gloomy, there is always hope. You just have to know where to look.
- Louis Gray
I was just seeing that rainbow out the window of the Specialty's here in Mtn View
- Hutch Carpenter
Looks like its end is outside the valley.. hmm wonder if this a sign
- Uncle CW™
I'm very optimistic about the future - just not the part of the future that occurs in the next 12-18 months. :)
- Chrimmus Tad
Of course, this was taken via iPhone at an intersection when we were all stopped. No known laws were broken re: texting or calling.
- Louis Gray
I think the Valley is realistic, if there's pot at the end of the rainbow then they're happy.
- Steven Cains
That's Silicon Valley all over - take something delightful and monetize it..
- Tim Ostler
@tim +1.
- Patricia
@Chris - it is if you shorted the markets
- Alan Cheslow
@Tim, monetizing is delightful. :-)
- Louis Gray
GM says it may kill the Hummer brand. http://online.wsj.com/article...
Kevin Gough, Travis Parsons, Denise Howell and 28 other people liked this
No big loss!
- Jeff P. Henderson
<deadpan> That's just awful. I may weep. </deadpan>
- Ron Bailey
... hate to see the big guy go down </deadpan>
- Johnny Worthington
... That's a real blow to the industry </deadpan>
- Johnny Worthington
... got to suck for all involved </deadpan>
- Johnny Worthington
I think the only people who will weep over this are Oil company execs.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Also they will be killing off Saturn and most of Pontiac.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
I will feel bad for those who work making Hummers, but the vehicles are ridiculous. Good riddance.
- Rob McNair-Huff
Not sure I understand why they want to kill off Saturn. They are low cost, low price, relatively high mileage cars. Seems like that is what is selling right now as opposed to higher cost Buick and Cadillac models.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Who are they to go around making decisions? Seems to me, GM should be asking what their new owners (The American Taxpayer) would like them to make. Windmills or light-rail trains anyone?
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
20 years ago Saturn cars were unique to the brand. Now they are rebaged GM siblings. GM sells the same chassis at Chevy, Buick, Pontiac, Saturn, Cadillac, Saab, etc... GM can save money by not having to design so many different name badges.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
They want to kill Saturn because they destroyed the brand to the point where no one's buying them and the brand has one of the worst initial and long term quality records out there.
- Alex Scoble
@ Mark, makes sense. Pontiac has some pretty ho hum looking cars, with the exception of the Solstice. I can see how some of them could be cut also.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I definitely won't miss them. http://moourl.com/ouo27
- Carmen
I think had intended to do do away with the Hummer along time ago--they just kept running out of gas on the way to work.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
This has always been GM's Achilles heel. Too many brands which weakens their focus.
- Alex Scoble
But that means Earth 2 can never happen!
- Alix Whitmire
Didn't production of the H2 stop in October or November?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
It's taking them this long to come to that conclusion? They deserve to go under if they can't respond to realtime market conditions.
- Jim Goldstein
Great, about time, me and my little Mazda are just plumb sick of saving the planet for everyone.
- Martin Bayly
What about the Hummers already on the road? They need to pull them back too!
- Mahesh CR
Aww.. darn.. What will all the overpriviledged yuppies and men with compensation problems do? :D
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
That'll make them collectors items once again...the H2 not H3.
- Mohamed J
yeah!!!
- Susan Beebe
Collector items? the H1 maybe. The H2 is a rebodied Chevy Suburban.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
But what are The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse gonna drive?
- Christopher Harley
@Christopher Range Rovers
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
the stupid mistake was killing the Hummer I, and keeping the 2 and 3. While yes, the Hummer I was the biggest impact on the environment, it was also the only one that had true unique utility that people who actually have jobs that require off-road abilities, loggers, ambulance and the like. The H2 and H3 were just market clones that had no real need to exist.
- Matthew DeVries
great news.
- andrei_c
Matthew makes a good point on the pointlessness of the Hummer 2 and 3 - in its current form killing it off is a good thing.
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
Whoa - media shows up from TinyUrl now.
Lakshman Prasad, Rob Boek, Susan Beebe and 51 other people liked this
interesting
- Josh Haley
This IS a surprise.
- Ron Bailey
looks like it for any shortener links for YouTube - COOL!
- jyamasaki
I understand URL 'shorteners' for Twitter or anything using SMS, but people's use of them (and the # available) outside of that is absurdly unnecessary. Thanks for another simple, yet helpful, feature, FF.
- coldbrew
Watching SNL and realized that one of the Jonas brothers looks like Shia Lebouf and John Cusak had a love child
Darren Heydon, Carmen, Kol Tregaskes and 18 other people liked this
those dudes are on SNL? castrate me now. I don't fit in this world anymore. what happened to John Belushi?
- Noah David Simon
Noah, they were the musical guest. I use the word 'musical' lightly. Heck, at least Hanson can sing...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Whilst I don't care for their music, I do appreciate what the little one (on the right) is doing to raise type 1 diabetes awareness.
- Vicky
LOL @ "the little one on the right"
- Paul Reynolds
Hey - it takes talent to lip-sync convincingly
- Martha
I think Im the only one that a) hasnt listened to the Jonas Bros b) dont care about the Jonas Brothers c) would like to see some more good old fashioned rock n roll again ...
- johnpiercy
Saturday was the first I'd heard them play. Not especially thrilling...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@noah he died.. quite a while ago now. Then, in the time between people upped their prudishness and have been taking anything clever but of potential offense off TV and replaced it with mind rot. Then again, TV has always been filled with loads of mind rot compared to anything that has a modicum of intelligence about it, so nothing new really.
- alphaxion
I HATE LOOOBOOOOF
- Matthew DeVries
I'm old.
- Derrick
Derrick - I'm ahead of you and it isn't too bad.
- Russellreno
hahahahah
- Shevonne
Jonas Brothers are merely the gateway drug for the children to delve deeper into past classics like New Kids On The Block.
- Martha
Chris, that is Brilliant!!!!!
- Martha
First Screenshot of Google Chrome for Mac - http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009...
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"More about the progress of Google Chrome's Mac port: * Mac Detailed Status: "Our new goal is to have a multi-process browser limping by the end of the quarter." * Build instructions: "Right now, the Mac build is a work in progress. The TestShell project builds and is able to render web pages, and this area is currently under active development, but work has yet to begin on the user interface of the main Chromium application.""
- Corvida
from Bookmarklet
And I Saw As It Were - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Wow, I love this, simply amazing! :)
- Danielle Closs
It's a great shot, but what is it exactly? A refinery, or a powerplant?
- Michael Fidler
Stunning shot!
- Nia
it's a refinery. :)
- Thomas Hawk
Fantastic shot indeed. I was actually thinking about this shot when I was at the camera store earlier... it and the 14mm :)
- TranceMist
Just spectacular. Really wonderful. I love tracking the reflection and seeing where it goes. Got me thinking about the shape of a guitar to begin with, but then my eyes got drawn back to the amazing lights of the refinery.
- Conor Ogle
@TranceMist lol! Moreso the 14 mm? :P
- Danielle Closs
I love the reflection.
- Beau Liening
Great view!
- Tyson Key
Long Beach harbor CA?
- Susan Beebe
Yep Susan, Long Beach Harbor exactly.
- Thomas Hawk
How can the Web truly be “open” when only young white male geeks get to decide what the Web is? - http://dawnsplan.wordpress.com/2009...
Nicole Simon, Billy Warhol, chrisofspades and 74 other people liked this
Dawn writes: "“Sexism” is a word I very seldom use and certainly do not brandish carelessly. Neither do I mean it on an individual basis. These days most men aren’t ignorant-based bigots against women. But Silicon Valley and the Web itself are extremely “institutionally sexist” given the fact that the vast majority of VCs, technologists, and tech reporters/bloggers are male. Even as women are now online in greater numbers than men, female ideas and wants and desires largely go unexecuted. "
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
While there's definitely a serious gender disparity, anyone who thinks that Silicon Valley is run by 'only white people' hasn't been inside most of these companies.
- Kevin Fox
I don't think that's true Louis -- I sure don't think of myself as young, and I think I help "decide what the web is." If someone wants to make the web do something new, thereby changing what it is, what exactly is in their way? This is a very offensive article in many many ways!
- Dave Winer
I commented on the post, and shared this to get more discussion, which is happening. Kevin is right in terms of the diverse nationalities powering these companies - and the Valley itself. Dave is right in terms of the fact that he's out of his 20s and still coming up with great ideas. Dawn's take is that the majority of ideas, and funding are going to companies with these backgrounds.
- Louis Gray
I say we execute 10,000,000 Caucasian American males! After all, everything is their fault!
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Articles like this get written every year and nothing happens. Kevin and Dave's responses here are typical of the responses these articles generate, albeit a lot less crass than the same responses I've seen in the past. But the denials mean nothing. When I go to tech events and seemingly get ignored by everyone one does have to wonder. The females who get attention or either eye candy or have power, but they're almost always white (or Asian).
- Admiral Anika
What's more, these same articles get written every year in political blog circle too and everyone is quick to point out that Markos (DailyKos guy) is Latino. All the excuses in the world aren't going to change what's really happening. There's a reason Digby didn't let anyone know she was a woman for years. If people had known, she would have put in some 2nd o 3rd tier political blogging circle.
- Admiral Anika
I don't think it's sexist, cause there isn't someone stopping them doing this. My own industry (Network Administration) gets leveed with the "sexist" tag because there are very few women doing the job. The major reason why is because there are few women that want to do this job. How many women are interested in technology to the level that we love it? Male geeks are a minority, girl geeks are an even smaller minority than the male one! I think the problem isn't sexism but rather the way kids are brought up
- alphaxion
Just look at how many parents get worried if their little girl shows more interest in cars than dolls. If more girls are exposed to technology from a young age then their interest in it will continue into adulthood. The phrase "sexist" is thrown around too easily in an attempt to explain away such a marked difference in demographics when there's more going on than males stopping women from getting into these positions.
- alphaxion
How many parents get worried if their girl shows interest in cars?
- Admiral Anika
The fact that there is even a name for this kinda behaviour (tomboy) shows you how ingrained the mindset is that girls should play with dolls and make believe kitchens instead of cool robots and science kits. Someone I know jokingly comments that his kid is "a lesbian for sure" because she adores dinosaurs (though he does encourage her to be interested in things like that).
- alphaxion
there is a social stigma surrounding girls that like things that have somehow been deemed "boys toys", likewise the same is also said about boys that are interested in "girls toys". Here's a simple test you can do, ask some random people what they think about computers. The majority of people, male and female, will see them as tools. A very small percentage will say they're cool. I'm willing to bet that more males than females will answer this way. That's where the problem is, that's not sexism.
- alphaxion
Problem #1 – Silicon Valley’s inability to judge if an idea is truly good or not...LOLOLOL NO COMMENTS!!!!!!!!! Here is my er... example LOL :))))) http://twitter.com/SexySEO...
- Lora Lufark
Thank you very much for getting discussion going, Louis! The main point I'd like to make clear is that while Amazon HAD to be created by a tech guy, that's no longer the case. There are a lot of great Web companies that could be created if people with nontech experience and skills could get funding and direct the development - paying the people who actually execute the plans with cash...
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- Dawn
Don't let Bwana see this!
- Matthew DeVries
Lora, I think just like in the liberal blogosphere, sheeple want to know who says something, rather than committ to a position. So, there are times, that I or others have written entries, only to have people pooh-pooh them, then Markos or Jane Hamsher writes the same thing weeks or months later and then the sheeple baaa their way into agreement. I see that just looking at how people respond to Louis or Robert S. I've seen others here posit similar items, yet they get shot down, mocked and/or ignored.
- Admiral Anika
Actually that is only true if you are in the US. I'm in China and it certainly is not the case. Maybe it's only white male geeks if you are in the US and read English?
- Paul Denlinger
With Carol Bartz recently taking the helm at Yahoo! are we seeing a different trend?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
If are ready for diversity then we need to promote it, that simple my 2 cents
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
btw, I started a room a month ago called "What Women Want" that's supposed to take a look at women's needs/desires vs. men's when it comes to the Web. We need more people! If you're at all interested, please look it up and give it a shot. Thanks!
- Dawn
@anika I encounter that all the time, I'll say something and everyone ignores it. The same thing is then mentioned by someone like Chris Pirillo and suddenly "that's a great idea". I wonder if it's because people want this info to come from people who hold some form of authority in the realm they exist within. Until they say it, everything else is just some crackpot running their mouth.
- alphaxion
FYI, here's what I wrote in the first post about the "What Women Want" room: This past month since I've started my "Dawn's Plan" blog, I've written a few posts about how I believe the Web needs more soft anthropology added to hard technology. I know I'm hitting a chord with women, because they keep writing to me and cheering me on! Clearly, women have some dissatisfactions with the WWW,...
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- Dawn
I once was told a story about a game called monopoly. A group of players had been at the monopoly table for three hours. They had amassed property and were acutely aware of the rules and how the game was best played to acquire property. Then comes along prospective players who wanted to sit at the table and play the game after standing and observing for some time. Finally, one of the group members offered a seat at the monopoly table to one of the observers.
- bcultral
I've just joined the "what women want' room (http://friendfeed.com/rooms...) because, yes, I'm a woman (lots of people are surprised about that apparently). I've been using technology in work in one form or another for most of the last 20-odd years and there is still an assumption that technical stuff will be only done by men. But sexism is a tricky thing to even define. There appears to have been progress made and I would hope that a person's gender...
- WorldofHiglet
Once seated at the table the observer realized with embarassment that with no money or property the game would be impossible to compete. Thus pressure was put on the Player who offered the seat to loan or give a start up stake to the new player......This is what I see in this thread....I think there is promise in this way of thinking concerning inclusion and openess, So, I would address racism as well as sexism as potential impediments for inclusion. ps Anika, I feel you @bcultral
- bcultral
...or ethnicity, or orientation or any other characteristic does not determine their opportunities. I don't think this is the case yet but I also don't think it's a foolish dream. My daughters are familiar and comfortable using computers and have no worries about being seen as weird. Where there are problems like Patricia and Anika have outlined it is important to stand up and say it isn't right. No one should be sidelined because of prejudice.
- WorldofHiglet
if you can ignore websites like nonsociety which just make women look worse.....
- Terry O'Fee
But I was slightly confused by the article because it seemed to imply that all 'high-tech geeks' are men, and that just isn't the case. It might be that most high-tech geeks with power' are men, and that does appear to be true. Not all the ideas-people are women, not all the engineers are men. Enabling all people who have good ideas (but perhaps no technical knowledge on how to implement) to have a shot at seeing those ideas realised is an interesting idea. A side-effect of the credit crunch might...
- WorldofHiglet
Robin: Great story; perfect illustration. The only thing I would add is that with the Web, it's not a zero sum game. Everybody will prosper more as great people show up who just need that seat at the table. "By lifting up others, we life up ourselves." WorldofHiglet: thanks for joining.
- Dawn
...be better modeling that will allow non-technical people the freedom to explore and develop ideas.
- WorldofHiglet
Dawn zero sum game it is not: India to launch a $10 laptop,
- bcultral
+1 to WorldofHiglet for that last sentence. Perfect!
- Dawn
Patricia, I'd love to!! Your place or mine? ;)
- Dawn
@dawn, lol. email me! it's on my site - www.dailypatricia.com
- Patricia
I should take my case as a point. I presented at a VC gathering at the Hatchery.vc last week. I was one of two persons of color at the event. I was actually set up to fail in the presentation setting and delivery of my startup. I am the founder of SpokenWord.Tv and have designed a software I believe will shift the paradigm of communications and social networking and media. This idea seems to frighten and offend in that it is too simple. Anyway, I maintain the audacity of hope.
- bcultral
Patricia, Thank You for the offer of assistance...which email address?@bcultral.
- bcultral
It rather annoys me when people just pooh-pooh women off and claim we just aren't interested in tech, and that's why we aren't visible. I know darned sure I'm not the only tech-loving female out there. Hopefully the "you don't exist" voices will be silenced before too long.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Msg sent. Thank you Patricia I apologize for requesting you disclose your email rather than finding it on your website :) @bcultral
- bcultral
alphaxion, instead of talking in generalities & abstracts, lets focus on the fact that articles like this are written all the time and women who are in tech, look at it and say, "damn skippy". What your random friend does with his kid, has nothing to do with having to read articles like this every year for the past 15 years and the impact this has the lives of these actual adult women.
- Admiral Anika
I was having a similar discussion the other night with Sheryl Sandberg, Mike Arrington, and Arianna Huffington. Sheryl pointed out that many of the top executives at Google are women. She is no. 2 exec at Facebook now. On the other hand the sexism in this industry is pretty deep. Arrington told us about all the sexist comments they have to delete from TechCrunch when women reporters work for them. He had one reporter quit after two weeks because of the comments.
- Robert Scoble
But a lot of females aren't helping the situation any.
- Mona Nomura
I find that Dawn's use of me is pretty inaccurate. I have flown 150,000 miles in past year to get outside of Silicon Valley. I am writing to you from Davos. Here sexism is far deeper. The politicians, media, and finance companies are mostly run by old white males. I find far more diversity inside EVERY Silicon Valley company. Second, she misquotes me on number of followers. One reason I don't like Dawn is I find she just does not treat other people very well and she is often inaccurate in her writings.
- Robert Scoble
(I blocked Dawn during political season because I found she was very uninformed and she was inaccurate and abusive back then, too, something I find is leaking out again in this post).
- Robert Scoble
Mona: this problem is deep and is not going to get solved easily. Back in 1994 during my first computer programming conference I helped plan (Visual Basic Insiders Technical Summit) 425 males showed up and two women did. Today conferences are about 20% women. My wife talked with Sandberg about how women often are tougher for other women to work for. She said this is a problem and one that is overcome with good coaching -- she says she is noticing that changing in the valley, though.
- Robert Scoble
By the way, Huffington got funded and she is not a geek.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I agree, that things are slowly starting to change in the Valley and hopefully it will start changing in the blogosphere as well. :) BTW I would love to meet Maryam one of these days. I've only heard really great things about her and she sounds so sharp and insightful. You are a lucky, lucky, man!
- Mona Nomura
Mona you are welcome at our house anytime. I am lucky, agreed!
- Robert Scoble
Mona it should start changing due to Arianna Huffington, although even Arrington is hiring women (just hired another one two weeks ago). She has $25 million in funding. I am sure she will hire some great writers over the next few years.
- Robert Scoble
I think offering up Huffington is unfair. Her background of high-powered exes and syndicated columns puts her in a different category. To go back to politics, it's like Jane Hamsher. Everyone says she's smart, but the reason the "A-list" liberal bloggers started touting her is because she's movie-industry famous. There are lots of other female political writers who are more intelligent & and less "bigoted" than Hamsher, but they get ignored because they didn't produce Natural Born Killers.
- Admiral Anika
Thanks Robert :) I am a huge Milan fan, as well! And great Huffington post tidbit, thanks for sharing. :)
- Mona Nomura
Hmmm I just read the piece and disagree with a majority of points. In this day and age a good idea is a good idea, sharp individuals are sharp individuals, regardless of race, sex, and stature. It is great to celebrate the differences between female and males, but shedding more light to the separation by labeling may be hindering towards progression of being treated as "equals". Shouldn't it be a group/room to discuss opposing views open to anyone as opposed to *just* females?
- Mona Nomura
Anika - but it's a start and that's what's important. As more aggregating services become widely used, the tight knit blogging community will no longer be a small circle, due to exposure of the 'less known'. What's important and should be the focus is not dwelling on the past, but how and what we (the 'little people') choose to say and how we present ourselves, to gain the same interest and following as those currently in "A-list" status.
- Mona Nomura
Anika: this is life. Deal with it. Danl Lewin, co-founder of NeXT, told me that Steve Jobs talked IBM out of $500 million without even having a prototype. I could not do that. He got it done based on his past experience. Arianna did the same. Good for her! Shows this is not a women thing, but rather a human thing. How do we get a broader range of people to be successful? This is a tough, tough, issue.
- Robert Scoble
I have experienced more gender bias in some places than in others. The gender bias against female programmers I experienced in the UK was enough to make me walk away from the profession for three years.
- Lisha Sterling
from twhirl
Somebody told me that Robert is once again spreading hateful things about me, so I read this thread on another browser that doesn't have me logged into FF. He stated: "One reason I don't like Dawn is I find she just does not treat other people very well and she is often inaccurate in her writings." I'd like for him to show even one example of me treating somebody poorly. And as for...
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- Dawn
...was for many years, which I am not and never was and never would be. I'm a mainstream Catholic and proud of it. I defended myself against Robert's anti-Christian bigotry and will continue to defend myself as he makes these ridiculous accusations against me. Not treating people nicely? Robert knows that in the past few years my husband died just three days before our 25th wedding...
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- Dawn
@alphaxion but it *is* sexism when you raise your children like that and label kids who like the "opposite genders' toys" to be gay or abnormal. Sexism isn't just what happens at the very last moment leading up to a job. It's also sexist that male-dominated interests and professions are both higher paying and more highly valued, and that studies show that when women begin to dominate a...
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- Lisha Sterling
from twhirl
Dukeswharf, I have no hard feelings against Robert, as I wrote when he blocked me: http://friendfeed.com/e... That he did that actually surprised me (it took me a while to figure out what happened) and, frankly, it hurt my feelings, because I had thought we were friends and he often said he *liked* being...
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- Dawn
...and to my future prospects. It's not true what he said. I don't deserve this.
- Dawn
I'm not saying the labelling of people when they're brought up isn't sexist, I'm pointing at that being a massive contributer to the current situation. I've been a network admin for 10 years and I've never stopped a woman joining my department, the problem is that no women have ever applied to the job openings (we've had a couple in the desktop support in that time). The lack of women in an industry isn't always because of active sexism from the people in that department. That's what I'm saying.
- alphaxion
I think the problem stems from how we bring up children and pidgeon hole them early - that is certainly sexism. But blaming an industry for being "sexist" purely based on the lack of women isn't looking at the real cause and is jumping to conclusions. As I said, in my 10 years of netadmin I have never seen a woman apply for the openings in our department. Am I then sexist for having never employed one in my team?
- alphaxion
Hey, Dukeswharf, didn't you read above what I said, that I'm *Catholic.* I know all about forgiveness. Ha! Okay, I'll officially say it for your benefit. I forgive, Robert. I apologized to him on my blog and I'll never mention him again in any of my blog posts so he won't feel compelled to beat me up anymore and I won't have to forgive him again later. ;)
- Dawn
bearing in mind that I actively encouraged and then financed my GF to go through uni on a video game design degree - she is one of only 2 or 3 girls in her year (she's in the final one now). Video Games is also a very heavily male dominated industry too. I do find it disgusting that women get paid less than men for the same job, but then I'm currently paid about £6k less than my market average so I think it is also partially down to the individual company as well as attitudes of the managers.
- alphaxion
Alphaxion: I specifically said in this article that I am talking about *institutional sexism* which is not the same as individual sexism. No, you are not sexist for never employing a woman on your team.
- Dawn
@dawn what I'm trying to point out is that the problem is, people will jump to conclusions of institutional sexism when there isn't such an artificial barrier to entry. There may be a different cause that results in a lack of female participation - be it sexism during their upbringing or just that it is such a niche thing that it's minorities of both genders that get interested enought to choose it as a career in the first place.
- alphaxion
I know plenty of female CSE's. And NOBODY gets to decide "what the Web is", because it is what's on it, and anybody can put anything they want on it.
- Will Higgins™
However, don't think I'm suggesting that all is equal because it certainly isn't, I agree that lower wages is a sign of institutional sexism, so too is how children are brought up. It's not always in the workplace as to where the sexism originated. Ask any male geek whether they'd like to see more women in their particular avenue of interest/career and the majority will say they would love to. But ask women what industry they would love to work in and I can bet you that not many of them will suggest tech.
- alphaxion
Alphaxion: Sure, I think men will always dominate tech, and that's fine with me. What my bigger issue is that tech shouldn't keep so much power and control to itself alone. Nontech people should ideally be able to direct techies to develop things that the techies wouldn't necessarily create themselves. Take FF for example. If it had been a team of women doing the initial design, it...
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- Dawn
of course.. diveristy is the spice of life :) If one thing working in IT has taught me is that so few people are interested in tech enough to suggest ideas like that. They see tech as part of their job and as a tool, not as part of their social life. This is changing tho, especially since the likes of facebook et al have certainly shown many that tech can be a part of their social life. This will, in turn feed into tech as they begin to realise what we techies have been telling them for the past 2decades!
- alphaxion
the photo meetups that I go to typically have a lot more females than the tech meetups that I go to.
- Thomas Hawk
American culture is built on the concept of the lowest common denominator. Mass marketing itself with campaigns and launch dates and all the agon of competition is a war to spread stereotypes and present a popular culture that is built on coarse and common concepts. Geeks are stereotyped, men and women are stereotyped, all of us are lumped in one pile or another when we are all. in fact, individual and subtle. More women media and tech leadership would transform it. We are missing 50% of our talent.
- Phil Boiarski
i work in the tech industry, more gaming side of it and there's one female pokie tech who works for the big company that is australia wide.
- Terry O'Fee
isms as impediments...
- bcultral
This thread proves why we need threaded conversations here. I can't follow anything any more!
- Admiral Anika
Interesting how the title of this post inferred exclusion but immediately directed the focus to Sexism. I mention isms as impediments to broaden the subject to the systemic dynamics which create exclusion. For me personally, exclusion invokes thoughts and feelings of structural and personal racism. Unfortunately, many do not understand just how racism works structurally. Because racism is systemic, individuals have difficulty identifying the role they play in perpetuating racism. .
- bcultral
Tech holds on to stuff so tightly because when it doesn't it gets screwed. This has been proven time and time again.
- Kevin
Robin: I agree with you and I think it's a great point. I did intend for the post to speak to all exclusions, but being a white woman, when it comes to sharing details and examples, I'd feel awkward and maybe even disingenuous trying to speak for racial minorities. Again, I think you're point is well taken. A lot of people reacted to this post as a personal attack, as me accusing them...
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- Dawn
Kevin: What do you mean? I'm interested to hear more.
- Dawn
It is True that a lot of the Main A-Lister Web2.0 Tech Voices are White Males thankfully there are also great Female Voices like Emily from eHub + Susan Mernit of Yahoo! + some other less Visual Minorities being heard* but there's no doubt the Old White Boys Club rules the VC Roost in Silicon Valley*
- Billy Warhol
I just gave a talk to about 30 top executives around the world (non tech) and almost none knew about Twitter, Qik, Kyte.
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- Chetan Bhawani
This does not surprise me at all.
- Suki Fuller
I'm guessing they do now!
- Simon May
Spread the twitter-awareness :)
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
this does not surprise me. i have spent a lot of time in industrial companies and email is the most advanced tech that has traction. can't even get secure sharepoint sites to get traction with execs!
- Jeff DiStanlo
welcome to the analogue world ;)
- Sascha Pallenberg
Were you surprised? It amazes me how few people (in general) know about these....especially Twitter.
- Vinny
I am not surprised. The day these and other such folks get onto social media, social media will be passe ;)
- A. Prem Kumar
People don't know about Twitter?! What!
- frank barry
Ya i suspect by end of 2009 it will have hit mainstream consciousness, but still obscure now.
- Brian Carter
not surprised. even some of my friends in tech doesn't know twitter
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
I just can't believe it. Do these people live under a rock?
- Happy
It would have been a surprise if they had. Good job Robert is on hand to spread the word.
- WorldofHiglet
There was a seminar on social media and communications in Toronto last night and a few people had never heard of Twitter, either. Is it really surprising or are we just to immersed in it?
- Bonnie Dean
It took me years to get around to wanting to use Twitter. I read about it regularly at Coding Horror (ex: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog...) for at least a year but I just didn't see the point. I finally registered because I wanted to reply to a friend's tweet. I think for a lot of people it's more of a reticence to join social networks than plain technophobia.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
that says something doesnt it?
- Richard Binhammer
This is not surprising. Recall that John McCain does not even use email. And I am sure most, if not all, of these "top" executives are part of McCain's generation.
- Joe Lima
I haven't touched Qik/Seesmic/Kyte because I can't work out the difference. Not surprised most won't have heard of them or Twitter
- Luke
Robert, send them an invoice for innovation consulting! ;-)
- masa media - Martin
Make a list of top execs who do know about social media.
- stefan hyttfors
Not Surprising, I'd consider myself fairly Tech savvy and although i've been registered for ages i only just started Tweeting. Although given the publicity it's had in the last few weeks i'm slightly surprised.
- Jamie Vidamour
but i guess they know about Facebook ? well, i think twitter is more for more tech people
- Junal Rahman
Do you think their assistants know about those technologies? My understanding of CEO responsibility is that they have to think on a super broad and strategic level. Many of those technologies are about integrating tiny pieces of information into something bigger. Since that's not really their job, I would think those services would be off the CEO's radar until they have an impact at that high level. Right?
- David Wynn
from fftogo
Our CMO @BestBuyCMO relayed a similar experience at a CMO dinner he was one or two of 10+ who knew about the tools and he certainly was the top user of them.
- Ben Hedrington
It's not surprising, if you think about it, but it's still unfortunate. Top executives are hardly "the mainstream" and if they're not in tech or marketing, those types of communication are not foremost in their minds. I know one chief exec. of a Fortune 1000 company who still has his "important" emails (as determined by his assistant) printed out and put on his desk every day.
- Robert Clockedile
from twhirl
This does not surprise me in the least. Yes, awareness is growing but anyone who assumes that our social media world has "made it' to mainstream is unclear on the concept.
- Cathy Brooks
from twhirl
I've never expected top executives to have a clue about anything. They're just a figure head for the company. They pay others around them to do the grunt work.
- Chris Luckhardt
What a surprise!! Here in Brazil I've asked to my friends and coworkers and nobody knew about Twitter. Well, some of my friends don't even check e-mails account daily...
- Flavio Knopp
it goes to show that twitter, kyte, friendfeed, etc... haven't really hit the mainstream yet... user adoption will always be a problem no matter what platform or software is out there.
- Dejim Juang
Most of them can't even use email....
- Stuart Murray Walton
What is the point of Twitter, Kyte etc when hundreds of thousands of people are losing their jobs and we are in global economic crisis? Don't these top execs have bigger issues at hand? Are we drinking too much social media coolade in these times?
- Andy Oliver
Dejim: I would not consider 30 executives not knowing about Twitter to equate to these services not being in the mainstream. It you ever worked with "top" executives, you'd be amazed by how much "mainstream" knowledge they really lack.
- Joe Lima
I'm doing a Social Media 101 seminar in a few weeks for entrepreneurs who haven't touched linkedin.com, facebook, or twitter. Seminar is full. We'll likely do 2 or 3 more. I'm not surprised at your group's ignorance.
- Shelley Cadamy
I'm a publisher in medical technology market data and I continue to be stunned at how much behind the tech curve my audience of medtech companies is. Their rate of adoption of social media, like their adoption of new information technologies, lags at the same rate as physicians, who are traditionally slow to adopt any new technologies other than medical technologies.
- Patrick Driscoll
Top *executives*? No surprise there, unless they're *tech* executives. Gates or Dell not knowing would be worrying, but should a boss at Exxon or Rolls-Royce (the aero engine company) know or care any more than we'd know or care about distillate refining or FADEC aero engine controllers?
- James
I don't think we are drunk on social media when we say that in spite of the downturn and maybe because of it, we need to look at the enormous possibilities of social media at the very least as a brand loyalty mechanism(ie I am more apt to subscribe to products from companies/ people that I have a more intimate relationship with).
- Phillip
The other issue with non tech executives not tuned in is their reluctance to accept ideas that don't have a direct and obvious connection to ROI. I have to admit (and I'm not blowing my horn) that during the pre-internet heydey, I felt like Tom Hanks in "Big" raising my hand to say, "I don't get it". Then, I couldn't understand why website traffic mattered more than revenue.
- Patrick Driscoll
Recently, I spoke with a colleague of mine, a university professor of linguistics known as geek. I asked if someone is studying tweets' peculiar language and style from a scientific point of view. "Twitter?" he said, "Microblogging? never heard before". A geek, they say. Well...
- PaperDoll
not surprised at all. You may try to ask if they know Firefox
- ClubEddy - clubeddy.com
There's a whole tendency in social media toward rapidly accepting what's at the front edge of development, while at the back end, product managers, sales/marketing and other grunts are just struggling to hit their numbers. They don't live and breathe the latest info tool -- they live and breathe their own product.
- Patrick Driscoll
OK, I'm hogging the airwaves, but one last point. When I look at new medical technologies emerging in the market, I have to bring in two very important perspectives: the opinion-leading early adopters (docs at universities or highly visible MD-consultants to industry) and the regular practicing physician working in the trenches of daily care. Social media evangelists would have me pay much more attention (I'm simplifying a bit) to the opinion-leaders.
- Patrick Driscoll
I can understand that they don't know about Qik or Kyte, even I don't and I spend a lot of time on Twitter and FriendFeed...
- Odi Kosmatos
You should get a hat!
- Freida Wolden
from twhirl
I don't think that social media is so important that everyone MUST take part in it. If I had more of a life (was a busy doctor or exec.), twitter and friendfeed would be the last thing that I would do in my spare time -especially twitter.
- BEX
Ok, twitter might be something they need to know, but Kyte? Qik? Far too early for both of them to be at executive level of a non-tech company.
- Steven Cains
Carol Bartz doesn't use Flickr and she's Yahoo's CEO. Her daughter does use facebook to post photos though.
- Thomas Hawk
Our organzation is doing well w/Facebook with more plans for expansion after receiving demographics that show a high number of professional level participants and 30 and up crowd. I always considered FB for kids.
- R. Ferguson
I can belive Qik and Kyte. But Twitter. That is tough. Of course my CEO doesn't know what SEO is.
- John Flynn
Robert, that does seem strange. But then I see smaller co's. and non-profits jumping into Twitter, FB,etc. faster. My theory is because start-ups and NP's are open to the pool of university student volunteer workers, interns, and beginners out there who are more saavy in this area.
- Melanie Reed
Maybe it's the name...? Maybe they would prefer using something called The TwitCorp Group
- Catherine Ventura
robert - did you talk to them about zoho, zocdoc, gomobo, freshbooks, etc ?
- Allen Stern
not surprised.
- anna sauce
They must not have any kids... or watch CNN <grin> Nice one, Catherine - love The TwitCorp Group
- Cheryl Allin
from twhirl
OMG there's a world OUTSIDE of Twitter and Soc Nets?! :P
- Mona Nomura
cmon mona you should know by now that in the valley there are only a few products that can be talked about outside the valley by those inside the valley - scoble just doing his job :) ha!
- Allen Stern
And to think, we just had an amazing tweetup in the Raleigh area last night of more than 200 tweeps. Triangle Tweetup was awesome.
- Angela
Mona - LOL - say it ain't so!!!!
- Susan Beebe
Yes, I agree with Freida, you should get a hat :)
- Michael Forian
Non-tech CEOs is not surprising. However, depending on the kind of executive not knowing at least 1 like Twitteer may be troubling. For example if they are media companies or telecom companies then that is a more troubling thought than say the executive for a manufacturing company. Ultimately the lack of knowledge is a reflection of the type of talent they recruit and how that impacts their corporate culture now and in the future.
- Altan Khendup
Did those same guys also show ignorance about Facebook- then we will know that we live on different planets - google,facebook,twitter are all helping to re-shape the way we communicate with each other- rgds- hiro bachani- http://www.merlin-me.com -Merlin Magical Gadgets
- hiro
Amazing how a generational gap can preclude users from a given technology. I bet none of their friends are on Twitter either
- Jameel
Unsurprising to me. I think the only interesting item might be how a company without a revenue model continues to raise money! In *this* economy, that is a story.
- AJ Kohn
The elementary school I work at has started to hear about Twitter. It is going mainstream very quickly.
- MarkCarras
Their on FriendFeed now are they?
- paul mooney
My fiancée has heard of Twitter and she does her damnedest to avoid all this high-fallutin' technology.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Not a good mood if you want to build up goodwill and awareness of your brand. I mean, unless you're McDonald's or something.
- Mike Nayyar
very small % of top exective in japan knows twitter either.
- Yasuyuki Goto
Do they need to know? Is twitter going to get them out of their problems? Maybe their marketing managers do know?
- santiromero
Why would they know or care about Twitter, Qik or Kyte? What's the business case?
- Francine Hardaway
did they know about facebook - for global mainstream business leaders that at least should be known?
- mike "glemak" dunn
Using our difficult economic circumstances to dismiss the tools of Web 2.0, be it Twitter, Facebook, or something else is to embrace the status quo. And if you hadn't noticed, the status quo isn't working. Web 2.0 offers a unique opportunity to reach out to customers, be they current or would-be customers, and engage them in a way previously not possible. As for me, I work for a...
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- Lee Allgood
did they know about computers? how about the internet? ebay? facebook? trying to quantify the time lag between reality and executives.
- Dino
not surprising....met an IT guy at Panera on Monday who never heard of twitter or microblogging...now that's scary
- Brian Appleby
does that say something? twitter and all these things are not the most essential parts of businesses. these things are fun but there's lots of people i know who have no idea about twitter. people who invest so much time and effort in these things have to realise this.
- Terry O'Fee
when things get really really tough these "social media experts" in the businesses will be the first to get the axe, sadly.
- Terry O'Fee
what is more significant/startling... that some do not know about twitter et al, or that some know and do not understand the value either personal or business wise? and believe me i know plenty people who know about twitter et al and just do not get the value. nor the point. which tells me social media is in its infancy still - we all know that of course. then again it took me 2-3 years to figure out email way back when ;)
- Pascal Bouvier
the value of twitter? i know lots of successful businesses who would never even look at this kind of stuff. it's not as important as a lot of you people think.
- Terry O'Fee
You people? Who you calling 'YOU people'.
- Chris Saad
Thats the problem. You NEED to look at it before you understand its value, both for personal use and as a corporate tool.
- jcunwired
you people = the people who think the world would end if twitter shut down tomorrow...
- Terry O'Fee
This post is a complete and utter déjà vu for me. Robert, did this happen another time upon which you posted a very similar statement. For a second there, I thought FriendFeed glitched and reissued an old entry. Maybe I'm just tired.
- Micah Wittman
seems that twitter will have 30 more users.
- pala
Um. I work under people who thinks blogging is new and uncharted territory. I'm in marketing.
- myron
nonsurprising.. some of my teammates don't know about twitter. none of them know about qik. and i never heard of kyte!
- Ihar Mahaniok
I admit it...I was procrastinating. Behold, my new twitter background: - http://twitter.com/zee
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creative.
- vijay
Cool! Where's my pic? :P
- Shevonne
You should have slipped "Wheres Wally" in there...
- Mo Kargas
Lol Mo :) I'll slip you in there Shevonne...won't tell you where though :)
- Zee.
Hmmm. Cleavage but no Russellreno. surprising.
- Russellreno
Very nice Zee!
- Chrimmus Tad
nice one!
- Penny
cheers Tad :) I added you Russell because you're so pretty! And i'd forgotten how hot Penny was, i added her twice! :P
- Zee.
haha, thank you Zee!! :)
- Penny
@Russellreno - open the background image and view full-size / right-side...you are there. :)
- JA Castillo
haha, you're not hidden on purpose Russell! :) --- ok, not that you probably care all that much but are now right under the bio area :)
- Zee.
Kinda painful.
- Clay Newton
boooooo Clay - no one ever really has to look at it for more than a few seconds :P
- Zee.
reminds me of my shirt ;) http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Tim Hoeck
ha yeah for sure Tim :)
- Zee.
very kool...great idea
- (jeff)isageek
Very cool Zee it turned out well. Thumbs up!
- Larry Lewis
cheers guys, yeah i'm pretty chuffed (happy) with it
- Zee.
This is a little crass, but... I think that a lot of the crazy anger towards Michael Arrington comes from failing entrepreneurs who feel that he is "cockblocking" their startup. This stems from the misguided belief that getting on TechCrunch is necessary or sufficient for success.
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The comments on TechCrunch are often full of these people complaining how awful, stupid, or corrupt TC is. If it was as simple as that, they would simply ignore TC, just like the other 99.9% of people on earth. Context: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Paul Buchheit
but then...how do you know his influence hasn't effected anyone?? you don't...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Agree. TC is not your ticket to success.
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
I do not defend haters in the slightest ... but I have to note that there seems to be some slight correlation between personal arrogance and negative attention online.
- Nadine Schaeffer
I think i am going to do the "Leave Britney Alone" video for mike arrington.
- Bernadette Balla
lmao @ bernadette
- Rob Sellen :o)
The most vile frustration with Mike no doubt comes from some entrepreneurs that haven't been successful. I'd also believe you have some jealousy/frustration from other bloggers who don't think it is an even landscape for opportunity, and, as with YouTube, as you get deeper into the general populace, quality of comments gets extremely poor. The only interactions I've had with Mike in person, phone and e-mail were good. But he is very competitive and people can react badly to that.
- Louis Gray
I talked about some of this back in July in regards to TechCrunch and Techmeme (http://louisgray.com/live...) and got some flack for it, but I don't want to repeat everything again.
- Louis Gray
A lot of entrepreneurs are told that all marketing is good marketing. TechCrunch gets a lot of eyeballs... So naturally, if you're not featured, or featured badly, you might face an uphill battle at getting your product liked? Nice use of the word "cockblocking" - very Californication like :-)
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
Too many people, when life hands them crap, look around for someone to blame. Too many people give the internet too much credit. Also, this is the downside of celebrity. Celebrity is relative, and Mike is somewhat of a celebrity to the online startup crowd. It often pays to be unnoticed and under the radar. It sucks to be the target of hostility, unless you've earned it like Chaney or Madoff.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Paul - totally agree with you. All the hate, drivel and trash mouth comes from folks who don't cut the mustard with Mike. They're all angry, upset and act like a bunch of fools, which actually further validates Mike's assessment against them. TC is a nice endorsement, when warranted, but is NOT necessary for a tech startup to succeed. TC / Arrington is NOT the only avenue for publicity / promotion of a product / service.
- Susan Beebe
well the spitting and death threats are unwarranted, but how come none of the other bloggers face this ?
- atul abraham
from twhirl
I think Mike A. as usual is ahead of the trend... and 2009 will be the year where all of the openess and "putting yourself out there" gets a major reality check - via public online scandals (and lets hope not but I fear so tragedies) that are outcomes of us putting ourselves "out there" in a broader society that hasn't quite evolved to the level of the sometimes tough but always civil and never threatening industry insider valley/bay crowd.
- andrew
atul, my point was that he's blocking their success, which is not a position most bloggers are in.
- Paul Buchheit
so is he blocking them or do they only THINK he is ? ( seeing that he is so influential in the Valley and all .. )
- atul abraham
from twhirl
Paul, we discussed the rising "celebrity" of the new tech leaders like you on our music and tech. talkcast. For most of my life I've dealt with celebs who must try to make sense of the fringe anger that is often directed at public figures. While it's wonderful to put a face on the code, it comes with some baggage. My heart really hurts for Michael and his family, regardless of what some may feel about him, the threats to visible personalities are an unfortunate reality.
- michael sean wright
besides Arrington himself attributes it to " blogger infighting " in the WSJ Online
- atul abraham
from twhirl
Paul, I agree that ignorance is the problem. How did it arise, and how can things change for the better? How did TechCrunch come to loom so large in some people's minds, and why does it unsettle them? I will contemplate this.
- Josh
I agree. If Arrington won't write about a startup on launch, then he'll write about it when it has gotten some traction. If you can't get traction without Techcrunch, there's something missing in your growth model. Big reporting upfront only helps to get a fast start. I don't think Techcrunch can't make or break anything.
- Meryn Stol
Mike says tech bloggers inspired spitter. http://bit.ly/tFJJ
- Dave Winer
That explanation makes me want to spit him ;) Seriously though, it's not clear how anyone other than the spitter himself would really know. It's difficult for me to believe that all the angry comments on TC (which are usually directed at the startup getting covered) are somehow the fault of other blogs.
- Paul Buchheit
I haven't read all the reports -- do any of them say who the spitter was?
- Dave Winer
IMHO, I think he's faced with envy. The human condition is like this, we want people who are successful. I can't tolerate happen to such violence, verbal or physical. They encroach on our freedoms !
- Guy Vander Heyden
whinger not a ninja
- Bob Sonin
If you're spending time worrying about "What TechCrunch thinks", you're in the wrong business. Startups should care about what their customers think, not Arrington. Plus - just write a decent business plan, with some real revenue sources in it. You will get more benefit from that than a million blog posts.
- Ian Betteridge
No matter what he wrote or didn't, arrogant or not, he doesn't deserve a saliva salute.
- Phil Boiarski
He says that the tech bloggers inspired the spitter and death threat. Ok, but who inspired the bloggers, Mike?
- Michael Forian
correct paul - tc is a data source for venturing minimally just like tc's peers - true funding decisions will come from business plan solidity and being able to properly represent same during due diligence - having tc comment pro or con doesn't mean that much in that process
- mike "glemak" dunn
Paul, that joke seems uncharacteristically insensitive of you. Do you need more sleep?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
If you think you need TC to succeed perhaps you need to rethink your business model.
- Trae Ruge
I am always shocked at the rudeness and bad spirit of the comments on blogs such as TC but also on Digg posts. For that reason I have stopped reading comments on those blogs. Comments and discussions on friendfeed however are of much higher quality. People typically do not insult each other here. I like it this way. Hope it stays this way.
- Davide D'Incau
I think Arrington has an amazing blog but a crappy personality. OF course, he blocked me on Twitter for saying he shouldn't put photoshopped crap on his blog with a news story. I expected better of him than your average fanboy blog. I'm not an entrepreneur wanting his attention, I just wanted to give some (maybe snarky) constructive criticism. He didn't like it and his response was juvenile.
- Nathan Messer
MAN LOOKS LIKE THUMB - http://twitpic.com/186fc
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ewwwwwww
- Shevonne
sexy
- sean percival
Bhahahaha!
- Tsega Dinka
HOT.
- Mona Nomura
I've heard of eraser head, and butt head, but thumb head?
- Jeff P. Henderson
this pic is full of win
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
Can't. Stop. Laughing!
- Christian (Simply X)
Eraserhead's younger brother.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
That is so freaky!
- Kevin Whalen
from twhirl
you guys are all super jerks!
- sean percival
Sweet Jebus!
- Will Higgins™
what the ????
- johnpiercy
CNN-Facebook Live Feed, Very cool. - http://www.cnn.com/video...
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This is the first thing I've seen that has made me actually think, "Twitter Killer!" If this is the sign of things to come with FB connect, this is quite simply that: A very mainstream Twitter-like experience married with video or any sort of mainstream content = Twitter Killer. It doesn't replace Twitter but certainly will give mainstreamers less and less reason to try Twitter vs. just play along with experiences like this.
- Jason Goldberg
I was also impressed until I kept getting booted out. Not quite there with Facebook Connect.
- Kevin Whalen
I got booted off right when he started to take the oath of office, and it came on right after he finished. I missed it! I was so pissed, but this isa very promising platform now!
- Michael Fidler
from twhirl
Michael: Yeah, I agree. I do like the possibilities of using FB in ways like this.
- Kevin Whalen
I had a very smooth & stable CNN connection all the time over here in Germany. I also loved the four live channels. The Facebook 'window' lagged very fast ~4 minutes & in the end 30m. Closing & expanding resynced the flow (I was not logged in).
- Markus Merz
Is Requiring a Firefox Plugin Akin to Designing for IE Only? - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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Rey Bango (http://twitter.com/reybango) is the Mozilla Firefox Add-on Community Manager and says my "assessment & comparison is off base".
- Louis Gray
In a word, Yes.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
i avoid plugins. long live the bookmarklet
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Don't even have to read the article, the answer is YES.
- xero
Jason, that's my thinking. I believe Clikball is interesting, and I like(d) Feedly, but I am not going to change my configs just to use one or two services. If you are building a FF plugin, it seems to me you are knowingly limiting your market.
- Louis Gray
It's close. Probably not quite as bad (since IE <7 is basically insecure and incapable of following most html standards). But plugins are more like software than the design of a site so I would compare it more to an application running only on one platform.
- Brandon Titus
Now, after reading it -- your assessment and comparison are not off base. Rey is probably going to argue something about how they are expanding the web by popularizing new features in the browser or how all of the browser teams should allow extensions, etc. While I can agree with the latter, it doesn't change the fact that your comparison is correct.
- xero
I would like for the developers of these services to explain why what they do couldn't be done outside of an add-on, though. That would be educational. Same with Shareaholic. Why is that a add-on?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I think Brandon Titus has a point with the comparison to developing for a single platform. Given, the motivation for many of the IE-only sites of the past were that way due to not taking the time to make it work on other platforms due to the inherent shortcomings of the popular platform. This would be akin to a Java app requiring the Windows registry to store settings.
- xero
You might as well say only left handed females over 6 foot can use this site...
- Sean Kelly
If IE (or most other browsers, for that matter) had legitimate extension capabilities, I would question this as well. A site like this requires the add-on in order to provide further functionality that web sites simply cannot provide. A possible solution would be to allow a bookmarklet to get links in, combined with a mini windows like FFs real-time view.
- Brandon Titus
@sean: Not quite. I would say only RIGHT handed females over 5 1/2 feet can use this site. Far larger group, which this is because the majority of interested users would be using Firefox and a larger group of people are using Firefox than the percentage of left handed females over 6 feet I would think.
- Brandon Titus
Yes, but Firefox is more hipster-mainstream so it's acceptable. Kinda like how the iPod is sorta a lame MP3 player when you break it down. It's -cool- though, ergo, emotion, not common sense prevail.
- Eric Rice
@Eric: yes of course, but what's the point of *social* sharing or *social* browsing or *social* media (you name it) if you can only use one browser?
- LouCypher
Sure. Why build a car that only drives on a few roads?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Good point Louis! Of course, I am commenting on this from within Feedly. :P
- Phil G
what's a plugin j/k i mean they're pretty obsolete for us hipsters
- sofarsoShawn
Maybe it's simply tougher to design a plugin that would be compatible for all browsers. Plus, why waste time developing for a community smaller than your "reach" goal when you can do so for one of the biggest, most active & popular browser/community to date?
- Corvida
@reybango sorry, but *requiring* an extention, plugin or whatever, is exclusion, and bad to the web of standards. Also, against accessibility. If the website doesn't run in every browser that implements web standards, the website is faulty, not the browser.
- Marcos Marado
For me, it is. There are a lot of services I don't/can't use because I'm an Opera user. I'm not gonna switch browsers because of one service. All the ones I'm using have bookmaklets that work with Opera (or any other browser).
- Alejandro
IE makes it a point to run only on Windows while Firefox makes it a point to (and does) run everywhere. This is a major difference in terms of potential accessibility for the users, Louis. Come to think of it, requiring FFx is not that different than requiring a desktop client (one available for every platform, in this case). Having said that, one would expect Java, Javascript etc. to be enough to do anything on any browser. And yes, I would prefer a specific browser not to be a prerequisite.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Good point, Marcos. I totally agree.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
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