Ah, very nice. It's useful to know about that policy from Nature. When I publish material related to open science I usually have a chat with my editor about licensing - this is the kind of thing that will be useful to bring up in future discussions.
- Michael Nielsen
Worth noting that this was in response to strong community demands coming out of the controversy over the public and private genome projects as I understand it. Other communities take note (looking at you structural biology...)
- Cameron Neylon
Well, for many years (dating way back ...) Nature made genome papers available for free - and amazingly to me they have stuck to this. I do not think this was due to the public vs. private debates per se but I guess we could ask some of the old timers. Chris Gunter, who was an Nature back then and handled many of the genome papers, was involved in some way with this "openness" policy. The move to CC licenses in 2007 was a pleasant surprise too ...
- Jonathan Eisen
Kudos also for getting the Nature paper. Merry Christmas.
- Matthew Todd
Thanks for the fascinating blog post. As one commenter said, longer than the Nature paper itself. I wish we had more blog posts like this where authors write about their just published papers.
- Martin Fenner
from iPhone
+1 Martin! Even better if authors were allowed to write to write their papers the way they want and wouldn't have to write blog posts - hint: paper: four pages, supplement: 10 pages. Supplements must be among the most absurd outgrowths of our decrepit publishing system...
- Björn Brembs
Well, Bjorn and Martin, I agree and disagree. Certainly, forcing papers to be a certain length, to me, is silly, and is Yet Another Reason I like PLoS, since they have no specific restrictions on page lengths in most cases. And I completely agree that supplemental material is mostly inane. In fact, in my PLoS One, PLoS Bio and other PLoS papers I have tried to put as little as possible...
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- Jonathan Eisen
@Jonathan: I wrote the comment before I read the largely biographical blog post :-) Either way, being forced to be concise is indeed (often? sometimes?) a good thing, but can be done without the insane page limits of some journals. On the other hand, who but the author would have the right to force brevity? Put another way, shouldn't an author be allowed to completely spoil their work...
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- Björn Brembs
Unfortunately there is still a lot of work to be done before we can easily find all blog posts talking about a particular paper. Nature and other journals should follow the lead of PLoS with linking to blog posts directly from the paper webpage. And tools such as Researchblogging.org, Nature.com Blogs or Streamosphere should do a better job of aggregating all blog posts about a particular paper together.
- Martin Fenner
Bjorn: 1) Author should indeed be in charge of length in my opinion as well as form in many other ways 2) Does not hurt to have editors who suggest things that might make a paper better. 3) As for understandability, I think part of the review of a paper, including in journals like PLoS One, should be whether or not what is written correctly explains what was done and correctly explains...
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- Jonathan Eisen
The last entry says: Shark cartilage is the skeletal material of shark and has been consumed as a health food in traditional Chinese medicine for its broad anti-aging benefits. Recent scientific studies have confirmed its benefits for the treatment and prevention of degenerative joint disease. It is an excellent dietary source of chondroitin sulfate and other glycoaminoglycans that rebuild cartilage, and calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, zinc and other bone building minerals. No sharks are caught in the manufacture of this product, the sharks used are harvested for sale as seafood, the cartilage is a by-product. Toxicity studies have shown it to be safe and non-toxic at all but extremely high doses.
- Jonathan Eisen
Note - an interesting exercise in bacterial systematics here. B. cereus could in some people's minds be called a different strain of Bacillus anthracis. Imagine however, the effect that a news story saying "anthrax in Slim Fast drinks" would have.
- Jonathan Eisen
from Bookmarklet
set up by Gerard Manning from Salk who writes "Two years ago, I asked you all with a very small favor, to use a website I created - http://minigiving.org - when shopping online. The site has links to a bunch of major online retailers. Simply by clicking from there to a retailers site, anything you buy in that session pays a commission (usually 5-8%) to minigiving, which then goes 100% to the International Rescue Committee (IRC), one of the most respected and efficient of international charities. It seemed like a slightly crazy idea at the time (at least to me), but just by emailing you and some of my work colleagues, we raised over a thousand dollars for refugees that shopping season. This time around, the site is stable, I've worked out the ways to handle the finances (I may the minor costs to run the site, so all commissions still go 100% to the IRC) and so I'd like you consider using the site again and - this is the bigger request - please pass on the word about minigiving to as...
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- Jonathan Eisen
from Bookmarklet
"She and other scientists are seeking more transparency in the way climate data is handled and in the methods used to analyze it."
- Jonathan Eisen
from Bookmarklet
"The extraordinary information now available for M. pneumoniae sets a new standard for understanding systems-level questions about bacterial physiology and evolution." say Howard Ochman and Rahul Raghavan in a commentary
- Jonathan Eisen
from Bookmarklet
I personally am not surprised -- in the last 10 years we keep uncovering more and more complexity in bacteria, even ones with small genomes.
- Jonathan Eisen
Is there no end to the horror of the buzzword-ome?
- Bill Hooker
So, should we come up with a new buzzfix then? So far, we had 'science', 'omics', ... who knows what next... I'm betting on complexity... so, proteoplex, bioplex, chemplex, metaboplex, ... not merely the individuals, but also the complexity between them.
- Egon Willighagen
I like the complexity angle - we should register all those domain names
- Jonathan Eisen
Good to have this collection. Bizarre that they do not list all authors on the collection page and instead to "et al ..." for most of the papers.
- Jonathan Eisen
from Bookmarklet
I'll see your four pounds and raise you 2kg and eight scallops... :-)
- Cameron Neylon
not strictly a vegetarian, though I do not eat mammals - but it was the volume that was getting me not the item
- Jonathan Eisen
In my case it was the smallest I could get - will be cutting up and freezing most of it. I think Kaitlin is making a large quantity of Rillettes for Thanksgiving(?)
- Cameron Neylon
4 lbs of it :) not just for thanksgiving consuption, of course.
- Kaitlin Thaney
Someone had to do it.... "I went into a butcher and said I bet you can reach those pieces of meat up there. The butcher said he couldn't take that bet. I asked him why not. He replied because the steaks are too high."
- Graham Steel
for a second i thought you were sending something NSFW. that's awesome.
- Kaitlin Thaney
oh, i just looked up a recipe - that sounds really good! I just got like 8lbs of pork butt for $0.85/lb (cheap for any type of meat) so it's a vindaloo for din-din and the other half in the freezer.
- Christina Pikas
Ok, will look forward to hearing from you or Morgan!
- Ruchira S. Datta
I was under the impression via JGI people that you folks already were looking at GEBA data (GEBA = Genomic Encyclopedia of Bacteria and Archaea) --- is that not true?
- Jonathan Eisen
Quote 1 "But the tiny life forms are not completely reliable."
- Jonathan Eisen
"Isolating each microbe, and sequencing its genome … would take forever," said Baldwin. "We try to capture the 'metagenome' of the whole community."
- Jonathan Eisen
UCDavis courses are teh roxxors!! Invertebrate Zoology with Grosberg and Systematics with Art Shapiro FTW
- Kevin Z
I want to take Gorsbergs and Shapiros classes - maybe they will let me audit
- Jonathan Eisen
I love how art teaches systematics. Each student got a bucket of hardware and we classified it according to various methods, i.e. phenetics, cladistics, evolutionary phylogenetics. It was interesting how things changed depending on how you applied the rules. Of course any of Grosberg's classes are worth sitting in, he is so dedicated. I forced myself to work in his lab, left him with no...
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- Kevin Z
from twhirl
BioTorrents allows scientists to rapidly share their results, datasets, and software using the popular BitTorrent file sharing technology.
- Neil Saunders
ok, that's fine, but are there any research organizations that still allow p2p over their networks?
- Christina Pikas
still allowed at UC Davis where Morgan L. (who is in my lab) set up Biotorrents
- Jonathan Eisen
Not sure if my workplace has a policy, but it's not blocked - I've used it for Ubuntu ISOs. Might be a different story if I were downloading TV shows.
- Neil Saunders
Is there advantage / complement over institutional repository? Embarrassed to say I've never used bit torrent.
- Steve Koch
@Christina - I'm pretty sure my institution blocks (or forbids) BitTorrent, although I think they may allow certain IP addresses to be 'whitelisted'. AFAIK this method of distribution was considered for large diffraction datasets in the TARDIS project, but for the reasons above, it was not implemented. Also, BitTorrent works best when there are lots of seeders - for some datasets the...
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- Andrew Perry
sorry - my comment reads now as really bitchy. beyond the various copyright issues, some denial of service attacks are done by zombie networks controlled through p2p and hackers can exfiltrate information via p2p so I would suspect more institutions will block p2p in the future. maybe with whitelists or only during working hours or something would work.
- Christina Pikas
@Steve bit torrent is often much faster than an institutional repository. Download the client and then grab the latest Ubuntu ISO. You will be surprised.
- Doug Hershberger
from iPhone
Common wisdom - Lactobacilli indicative of good health
- Jonathan Eisen
Also common wisdom - growth of non indiginous organisms suppressed by Lactobacillus
- Jonathan Eisen
Vagina microbiome changes over time in part w/ changes in estrogen levels
- Jonathan Eisen
What he is studying - variation within and between women
- Jonathan Eisen
Example - 410 asymtomatic healthy women - four ethnic groups - self collected swabs - measured pH, history, and then did pyrosequencing of 16s
- Jonathan Eisen
Multiple kinds of core microbiomes among these women
- Jonathan Eisen
Suggests that there is strong host selection for which organisms are present - but not clear what the basis for this statement is
- Jonathan Eisen
Consistent w/ Walker's Driver Passenger Model (ecological model)_ which is smilar to keystone species model 0 and that here the keystone species are lactic acid bacteria
- Jonathan Eisen
Vaginal pH and microbial state varies by ethnic group -
- Jonathan Eisen
ok, i read that as "microphone"... nevermind.
- Christina Pikas
David notes that in the goody bag that they gave speakers they put a bottle of Mondavi wine - which is good given that David is in the Mondavi Institute
- Jonathan Eisen
Says that there is a big project at UCDavis to characterize every component of human milk
- Jonathan Eisen
What is in human milk: lactose, fat, protein, oligosaccharides. The first three are consumed by the infant. But oligosaccharides are not.
- Jonathan Eisen
Human milk oligosaccharides come in > 200 different forms
- Jonathan Eisen