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A practical scalable distributed B-tree - http://www.hpl.hp.com/techrep...
Nagender Parimi, binic, Dmitry 'radiant' Volkov and 76 other people liked this
"Moreover, our algorithm is conceptually simple: we use transactions to manipulate B-tree nodes so that clients need not use complicated concurrency and locking protocols used in prior work. To execute these transactions quickly, we rely on three techniques: (1) We use optimistic concurrency control, so that B-tree nodes are not locked during transaction execution, only during commit. This well-known technique works well because B-trees have little contention on update. (2) We replicate inner nodes at clients. These replicas are lazy, and hence lightweight, and they are very helpful to re- duce client-server communication while traversing the B-tree. (3) We replicate version numbers of inner nodes across servers, so that clients can validate their transactions efficiently, without creating bottlenecks at the root node and other upper levels in the tree."
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, I think many of us are going to trust your opinion on this white paper. All Greek to me.
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
All I understand is that it is in my best interests to cheer for the way you access B-tree nodes in order to continue to enjoy friendfeed reliably. Go friendfeed algorithm go!
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
What, no comparison to BigTable?
- ⓞnor
@nor It's really not the same thing, unless somehow you're using a distributed B-tree on hash collision, however, if you're getting that many collisions, then the hash algorithm is probably wrong or your key width is too small. Then again, I really don't know what I'm talking about.
- Eric Florenzano
Curious as to what problem Paul is looking at... My default data toolkit these days would probably include sqlite for in-memory data, sharded bdb's for btrees that are too big for memory, and hbase/hypertable for a distributed store. I wonder where this fits in...
- DeWitt Clinton
Ok this is a really *nerdy* post! :*)
- Susan Beebe
DeWitt, I just thought that it looked like an interesting paper. As for the several solutions you mention, I don't know that any of them have distributed transactions (maybe bdb, but that doesn't really work).
- Paul Buchheit
B-Trees and Prof. Bayer http://wwwbayer.informatik.tu-... - would be interesting to know what he'd say, unfortunately he's retired a few years ago. Used to be fairly approachable in all matters B-Tree.
- Mustafa K. Isik
@DeWitt - no room for a traditional SQL based database except as an in memory database?
- Nick Lothian
we had designed and implemented distributed tree control, but transactions were considered "too much" for near-real-time, and they were already in protocol... the rest you know as xGSN boxes in GPRS/3G/HSDPA - dynamic routing for mobile packet networks. I'd left team in 2003...
- A.T.
@paul - I'll readily admit to being out of my depth, but it depends on what the definition of "distribution transaction" is. With bdb a combination of local transactions and guaranteed consistent replication you can approximate a distributed transaction at the cost of speed. See http://www.oracle.com/technol... and http://www.oracle.com/technol.... But those won't work across bdb shards.
- DeWitt Clinton
@paul - A table-based distributed store can do this via a lock on entity groups, where entity groups are defined by relationship formed by instances of similar models that belong to the same parent-based ancestry chain. This is how App Engine transactions work -- see http://code.google.com/appengi... and http://code.google.com/appengi.... Ping ryan for some background there. Not sure if hbase or hypertable support this via their api.
- DeWitt Clinton
@nlothian - I dunno. Offline maybe?
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt: have you ever successfully used BDB with millions of newly written entries and transaction support turned on? We kept getting transaction logs with millions of entries that were never consumed, so restarts would take hours as it replayed the logs. Configuring BDB to work for large databases is insanely esoteric to say the least, and it may be impossible to get it to work acceptably in some cases.
- Bret Taylor
@bret -- no, definitely not with large databases. We used bdb's heavily at my last company, though. Aggressive sharding is the key if you want to support either transactions or replication, which matches intuition about how it is implemented.
- DeWitt Clinton
But your comment about millions of entries makes me wonder about which data is getting written to which place. I suspect a lot of problems like this end up with the bulk of the data being written transactionless + replicated to a table-based store (or a transactionless bdb), and only a small subset of the data gets transaction support. So multiple datastores. But you guys know this better than I do, so why am I rambling? : )
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, you can also look into all the trouble that Gaia had with bdb - I simply wouldn't trust any fancy bdb functionality.
- Paul Buchheit
Also, AppEngine transactions are limited to a single "entity group", which I assume means a single BigTable tablet. Essentially, they solved distributed transactions by not having them -- all transactions must be local to a single tablet. From the docs: "Every entity belongs to an entity group, a set of one or more entities that can be manipulated in a single transaction. Entity group relationships tell App Engine to store several entities in the same part of the distributed network."
- Paul Buchheit
@paul - yup, that's the trade-off. Entity groups ensure locality, locality makes transactions fast(er). Same old lever problem -- speed of consistency vs. scope of the transactions.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, there's nothing wrong with having local transactions -- I'm just pointing out that they aren't distributed transactions.
- Paul Buchheit
Point taken. I got way off-topic regarding your original post anyway.
- DeWitt Clinton
The design seems reasonable. The only part that is under-specified is the way they switch from a master node to a slave. I'm curious why they don't use transactions to maintain replicas but instead rely on some unspecified master/slave replication scheme.
- Private Sanjeev
Short URLs shared on Friendfeed now reveal the re-direct if you hover over them.
Daniel Rowley, Bryan Lee, Angus Burton and 146 other people liked this
great find Steve - btw, would it be ok for to drop you an email? Just a short one don't worry
- Zee.
Like this. +5 more points for FF.
- Amani
Steve, I love that I made a cameo in your post. I only wish my short URL was more inspired.
- Scott Gatz
Finally! Yay! Wish Twitter had this a long time ago. That's the reason I never use full links that get converted. I change the www. to w3 .website.com and that way everyone can see the full link still and copy and paste it if they want to view the site. I got annoyed at clicking on duplicate TinyURLs.
- Adam
@Adam, Just try out the grease monkey script, it will let you see all the tiny url's. http://tinyurl.com/5wduxf
- Dennis Goedegebuure
Nice feature add. Keep them coming!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Nice feature enhancement!!
- Susan Beebe
What Mohomed=genieyclo said! Thanks, FF crew. :-)
- Lisa L. Seifert
One small nit. Does not work in comments. Try this link - http://tinyurl.com/5wduxf
- Atul Arora
@Atul Arora Right! First thing I noticed. I also wonder with how many shortening services does it work with...
- Nikos Anagnostou
This is awesome. Hopefully this can be added to twhirl too
- Guy
This should be definitely exported via API
- Alex Kapranoff
Finally!
- Mr. Gunn
This is an awesome feature!
- Nicholas James
Lovely!
- Mitchell Tsai
I use the greasemonkey script tinyurl-ru at http://kapranoff.ru/friendf... but it only covers tinyurl.com and tinyurl.ru | Maybe we should do a community project that keeps updating that script with all those url-shorteners out there. | Alex, are you game?
- ĎÚβĨŐÚŚ Dod
Is this a feature that friendfeed removed? Because it's not working in Chrome.
- James Poling
I don't see any short URL's in FriendFeed anymore. all are automatically expanded.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Kellogg's Saves Mother's Cookies (!!) - http://www.seriouseats.com/2008...
RAPatton, mridul, Marco and 80 other people liked this
Circus Animal cookies FTW!
- Mike Doeff
of course, if they're not made in the same place they will taste different.
- alphaxion
Animal Crackers are BACK!?!? Most excellent
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
mmm, those cookies are great!
- Bryan Clark
YAY!!!!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Woohoo!
- Damien Franco
Awesome
- CW™
love
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
damn good news. Dodged a bullet with that one.
- Thomas Hawk
yay. seriously, big yay.
- anna sauce
I will sleep well tonight. (And that pic is the bee's knees)
- Derrick
these cookies are like crack. I do not allow them in my house -- I will eat an entire pound bag without stop. But perhaps I will buy a bag this weekend to celebrate that they are still around!
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Oh man, they are definitely like crack. I also do not allow them in my house.
- Robert Miller
I agree that these cookies are like crack. They are the shiznit for sure. They are the only cookie I don't like with milk because the cold milk makes the frosting all weird and hard and waxy like. With coffee, OMFG they are damn good. And I like the oil spill they leave in my coffee cup when I dunk 'em.
- Morgan Haley
YEAH!! that is some worthy palm kernel cottonseed oil there baby!!! woo hoo!!
- Susan Beebe
You know what it is? It's the salt. The salt on the cookie, under the frosting, somehow makes it irresistible. Too damn yummy.
- Ciaoenrico
Hooray!
- Aaron Draczynski
I havent had them in years. I need to get some the next time I am at the store. Its been probably close to 15 years since I had some.
- pcnerd37
I'm not a big cookie person, BUT I know people used to love these things. Thanks Kellogs!
- Adriana
Ciaoenrico- it IS the salt! That's the key to the yumminess! You figured it out! Hooray. I finally know why I'm fatter than I should be! And I don't care enough to not go buy a bag of these on the way home tonight!!!
- Morgan Haley
Good. I was afraid they were going to disappear. Our family used to love the mixed bag.
- mark zero (Jason)
Yay!
- Louis Gray
The crack is back. Excellent
- Phil G
Publicity stunt! Shenanigans!
- Josh Haley
Red no.5 has never tasted so delicious.
- Josh
We're still looking for them down here in Dallas, months after ☹
- mark zero (Jason)
my childhood, saved.
- anna sauce
I just noticed this. Kellogg = Northwestern's b-school and Kellog = cereal...? Hm, I need to Google. BRB. *edit: they are both Kellogg. Jeez. Confusing.
- Mona Nomura
uh
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Wow I haven't had them in a long time
- Nicholas James
It was a big tease going outside and smelling fresh stock. I miss that.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Mona: my sis went to Kresge college in Santa Cruz, the hippie college. The K in K-Mart is Kresge. Wackadoodle.
- anna sauce
Anna. LOL!!
- Mona Nomura
Off to the store.
- Sean Oliver
They've been on the shelf here for a bit (like 2 weeks-ish) and we've bought them every chance we get so far. I know it's my imagination, but I can't help but feel that they taste a little different. :) I'm broken.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Wanna know why I love FriendFeed so much? THIS is why. http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2009...
Nicholas James, jerobins, BeeLing and 22 other people liked this
The original post is here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mona Nomura
Very nicely written post
- Robert Miller
I wonder if I can marry a Social Networking service...
- Mona Nomura
Ya but will a Social Networking service , brimng home the Bacon , like a REAL MAN could
- johnpiercy
Why can't I bring home my own bacon?
- Mona Nomura
Mona, I thought you do bring home your own bacon...
- Robert Miller
I thought Mona brought home bacon for all of us.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I make my bacon and eat it too. Oh, wait...
- Mona Nomura
Louis Gray ... since you are such a FriendFeed fan, how about a Louis Gray Guide to FriendFeed for Newbies. I am telling you it is going to be an all time hit and might useful for many of us :-)
dave mcclure, Nicholas James, Chris Nuttall and 45 other people liked this
Om, one thing we did early this year was a weekly Friday tip series. Amusingly, a lot of those articles are already outdated, because FriendFeed continues to innovate. I did those because the community needed them, but I believed after I had done enough, they could walk on their own.
- Louis Gray
But tip me on how I can help. Maybe the guide hits GigaOM. :-)
- Louis Gray
FFundercats have their paws on the pulse of friendfeed every week. http://ffundercats.com. and it's free!
- Josh Haley
I think he already did something like that on his blog last month.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Louis, I'll co-author it if you want to split the time. I can get either O'Reilly or Happy About to publish it. Or we could submit a proposal to one of the big guys like Wiley (although I doubt FriendFeed is big enough yet to get their attention)
- Jesse Stay
@Louis, I suggest you to write the guide. @Om, please publish that on gigaom.com. @friendfeed-people, you handle traffic after that.:)
- Varun Mahajan
Louis: we should do this on video!
- Robert Scoble
Video would be a nice supplement, but you can't quick reference video. Wiki might be the best way to do it.
- Ryan Kuder
Scoble that is an awesome idea/ but a handy guide/wiki would be seriously useful.
- Om Malik
"Do this on video" would be great if the video were short segments embedded in a text guide or wiki. A long video about FriendFeed? Deadly.
- Michael Markman
There are some videos on Friend Feed blog - See search results 1 thru 3 - http://www.google.com/search...
- Atul Arora
Om, have a read of the top two results here: http://www.google.co.uk/search... I'm sure they'll help, particularly part 2.
- Zee.
Om, what in particular do you find frustrating about FriendFeed? I just recorded a video (exporting and posting to Vimeo now) about basics of Hide and pushing out to Twitter. I'm sure it's a level or two below what you're looking for, but I'd love to try and tackle this.
- Matt Albiniak
He's sneaking under the radar, but Jeremiah Owyang is spending some serious time on FriendFeed, too. I'd be curious to hear how his experience is going so far: http://friendfeed.com/jowyang
- Matt Albiniak
Matt, interestingly, Jeremiah, and Steve Rubel, used to be much more active on FriendFeed than they are now.
- Louis Gray
I think you put your finger on it, Louis. Just showing up and doing great work is not enough for FF to reach the next level of growth. To do that, a new service needs to do less innovation (in the next phase) and more communication. Simplify it, market it, etc.
- Valeria Maltoni
Now for My Next Trick, I'll Turn Brand into Cash - http://www.sarahlacy.com/sarahla...
Steve Rubel, Adam Singer, trextor and Morgan liked this
great post on what creating value for yourself really requires.
- Morgan
"what matters more in taking my career to the next level is that same heads-down journalistic hard work that got me here in the first place, not how many friends, page views or links I get." -Sarah Lacy
- trextor
best quote in the piece trextor.
- Morgan
this was a great piece sarah, well said and was nice to read
- Adam Singer
Do you remember 2008? Techmeme (still) does, with a chronological top 50 list - Techmeme News - http://news.techmeme.com/090101...
Jens Christian Freund, Lu Tao, bcultral and 2 other people liked this
Here are the reasons people are giving me why friendfeed sucks:
Mitchell Tsai, santiromero, Daniel Krech and 72 other people liked this
1. Tim O'Reilly said that he liked the news aggregation, but gets too distracted by the comments and likes. You can't hide those.
- Robert Scoble
2. Ross Mayfield said he gets overwhelmed. I figured out that friend-of-a-friend feature is bringing way too much into his view. If he follows just one person, me, he sees hundreds of items every week.
- Robert Scoble
Too much Gmail thinking in FF. They vastly improved e individual utility, but lost the ability to scale beyond a single use case
- ming yeow
3. Other people tell me that they don't know how to use it, the UI has too many choices. On further pulling what they really wanted was the "best of day" feature but it is hard to find and not very useful unless you've been very careful on following people.
- Robert Scoble
I find way more things to like about FF than I do with Twitter.
- Jeff P. Henderson
4. Other people tell me that they want more help in figuring out who people are before they follow them. They have a point. I just visited some people's pages and I have no idea who they are, or what kinds of things they are passionate about.
- Robert Scoble
I like it but I don't use it as much because I get overwhelmed by noise friend-of-a-friend introduces a lot of people that just don't fit in with what I want to see. I don't think I would care if I was seeing a lot of relevant information to me.
- Jimminy Fuller
If I could figure out how to feed Twitter's @replies into FF I'd be all about it.
- LA Snark
5. Other people tell me they want to do just see items that have lots of likes. I don't know how to do that for them.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter has first mover advantage. I have too many relationships in Twitter that are not on FriendFeed. No easy way for me to sync Twitter followed/followers with FriendFeed and use it as a Twitter client. Then I'd like clean way to dedupe the Twitter stream out of FriendFeed to see the special stuff in FriendFeed. Its not enough to just hide Tweets without likes/comments.
- Elliott Ng
It isn't about if it sucks or not, it just isn't for everyone, just like twitter. Twitter is simpler, I can use twitterific on my mac & iPhone. Actually, this does suck. Everytime I hit return to try and add a space, it posts the comment. Beyond 140 characters, you do need white space to be able to read text on a computer screen.
- Steve Rhodes
I like FF because it is configurable. You can see as much or as little as you want and you have full control (or almost full control). The other major plus with FF is that it is threaded so you can have actual conversations.
- Jeff P. Henderson
6. Other people tell me they want to see a strict reverse chronological view and that I can't figure out how to do that for them either.
- Robert Scoble
If I had to stack rank, this would be my #1 tool. Ahead of Twitter, Facebook, strands, and anything else similar
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
7. Ross Mayfield wanted an easy "share this item on my blog" feature. I know how to do that (use the "More" menu, copy the permalink, etc) but that's too geeky and not as nice as Facebook's "share" feature.
- Robert Scoble
7. I like how twitter reminds me of birds: cheep cheep
- sofarsoShawn
Twitter, like email and Google reader, has a nice "author"/"headline" format that is easy to scan...FriendFeed visually makes you work harder to extract meaning from the stream.
- Elliott Ng
It's too confusing because people are following the wrong people and don't know how to filter? As a 'Social Media Expert' you have no clue how sad this makes me...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Fascinating. I can be as negative as or more than anyone else, but I don't associate FF with sucking.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
ming: there are lots of people who tell me they try friendfeed and don't get the point of it and leave. If friendfeed solves some of these pain points in 2009 it will make evangelism of the service a lot easier.
- Robert Scoble
Format of the FriendFeed stream is not efficient...seems like a lot of scrolling to get infomation...less easy to scan, show/hide, tag, etc. than Google Reader.
- Elliott Ng
Not everyone is going to get every thing. I suppose, though, that it's significant when it's LOTS of people.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Is the learning curve for the UI and information flow really overwhelming for the tech-savvy group it's aimed at? I doubt it. That said it's not a perfect product, and I can see how some people may want their aggregation without a social media aspect.
- Mo Kargas
I think #4 has merit. You can somewhat tell what people like by what they talk about and what content they share on various services, but I think FF could allow for a quick "About Me" somewhere on the profile so people would know who you are, where you're from, and what your interests are (other than the internet).
- Mark Frost
MiniMage: I didn't say that I thought it sucks, but this is the feedback I'm getting as I show it to others and talk to other people about their experiences. I've heard this feedback enough now to know that these are the roadblocks to adoption.
- Robert Scoble
Ooh, I like the idea of a view with a strict reverse chronological order.
- Eric Florenzano
FF has great potential for the aggregator but needs a simple grid of feeds in and feeds out for everything. That way I could choose where to make updates and control the flows. Twitter is feeding more than one place for me. I could use FF in some of the same ways as TweetDeck but only if I could make it work bi-directionally with Twitter and as needed with other services.
- Lee Herman
Bottom line: if I choose to live inside of Twitter where my relationships are, and I have to go into Google Reader to check feeds, FriendFeed just doesn't add enough incrementally especially since I have my Reader set up with important feeds and it doesn't replace the need to go check Twitter anyway.
- Elliott Ng
I pretty much ignored Friend Feed until I saw you mention the live feed a few days ago. Now I'm hooked. Darn you Scoble! Darn you to heck I say! :P
- MarkCarras
#8: clients like Tweetdeck are non existent. Same for iPhone apps.
- Robert Scoble
You can't DM people. Heck, you can't even @reply someone directly, only comment on their post.
- Reuben Thum
I *really* dont like the Friend of Friend feature
- Sam Houston
Sam: you know you can turn it off, right?
- Robert Scoble
Recall I adopted FriendFeed before you. :) Still like the aggregated feed for myself but haven't become a Kung Fu Master of FriendFeed to make it really work for me. Maybe completely hiding Twitter, setting up more groups, hiding more media types, and adding more people, would make it work for me.
- Elliott Ng
So really, most of the complaints could be resolved if some of the folks making those neat Twitter applications made one for Friendfeed or if FF implemented these on their own. Sounds like a great 2009 for FF either way:-)
- Brandon Mendelson
This is a feature recommendation list for the FF team.
- Gadiel Rivera
scoble: I am just not sure if the world needs friendfeed. I am a big fan of reducing noise as the most direct form of value add (think google), aggregating and then recommending seems a little twisted. Hope I am making sense
- ming yeow
Until recently I had hard time understanding how to make good use of FF. It was too noisy and difficult to use as compared to Twitter. However, after seeing your video on 20 reasons for using FF on FastCompany, I am now able to understand it a lot better and making good use of it. Since seeing that video, I have not been able to stop using Twitter and FF. Thanks Robert for producing that awesome overview video. FF team should have created that a long time back.
- Amar Shah
So, basically, it doesn't suck. They just don't know how to use it. Everybody is not built to use everything. None of these points raised have much substance to me.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
ming: the world might not need friendfeed but I sure do. Also, it's really the only competitor to facebook out there and facebook needs more competition.
- Robert Scoble
FF grew on me - it's organization is a bit off-putting for me but I've managed to wrap my oddly mapped out logic around it. It does help drown out the noise of Twitter.
- Renee Hendricks
FF is simply confusing. Not a friendly UI at all. Don't Make Me Think says Steve Krug. FF is making me think and I just don't have the patience for it.
- Bora Celik
1UP Rasheen. I do think having a small profile would be nice, but other than that, yeah, I agee with exactly what you said.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Robert, I guess my problem is..is that I can't find that option :P I'll go look now :)
- Sam Houston
Friendfeed has been a fairly fluid concept since I started using it, and the kinds of suggestions you're hearing from Ross and Tim get addressed and fixed all the time. The question is, even if the Friendfeed crew could get every nuance tuned to exactly the specifications people are giving you, would they actually come around and use it, or would there just be another excuse? Sure, it's not perfect, but it's a work in progress -- and they progress fast around here.
- Pete Delucchi
I can't stand Facebook. Totally different though. One is all about time waste pokes, super pokes, and other useless crap and Friend Feed is more about networking and sharing actual content and thoughts. Friend Feed is about actual communication.
- MarkCarras
Sam: click hide on an item twice. That will bring up the hide options dialog where you can select turning off friend of a friend. By the way, even if you turn off all that stuff you'll still be able to see those items at the bottom of the page.
- Robert Scoble
Pete: as friendfeed gets better it pulls more people in. Fixing roadblocks to evangelizing a product DOES pull more people into using it.
- Robert Scoble
Lets not forget there is no easy way to follow conversations that you did not originate, I should have the option of being notified when someone else comments on a thread I posted on. FriendFeed is awesome though
- Kelly Johns
Mark: I have 5,000 people on facebook and I never get my time wasted through poking or other useless crap. The news feed there is quite good and the social graph is way more advanced than friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Well, maybe I am missing somethings, but everything I have seen at Facebook just bugs me. Maybe I should look at yours and see what I am missing.
- MarkCarras
To me, FriendFeed isn't about being a social graph. It's first and foremost about aggregating items I publish irrespective of the source service. The ability to subscribe to a person is more comparable to subscribing to a news feed as opposed adding a friend on Facebook. In terms of subscriptions, FF is basically Google Reader with a proper commenting system.
- trextor
Bora, I found Facebook's UI more confusing than Friendfeed's. The difference for me is the more I use and discover the nuances of FF the more I like it, where as Facebook has flat-line. Granted, a component that's hard to factor out (for me anyway) is FB is people-I've-known centric and FF is people-I'm-discovering oriented + grappling with ideas.
- Micah Wittman
Contrary to Robert's opinion, I hope FF developers don't start thinking that they need to compete with Facebook. Subscribers != Friends. It's that simple. If anything, they're competing with RSS readers. For what it's worth, many of these same issues also plague RSS readers.
- trextor
FF does have an iphone app coming any day now (Friendly). And with some more options with the IM feature (like activating it when you comment on a post like this so then it notifies you when a response is made) then it could become even more conversational. I view this as more professional and higher IQ than Facebook personally.
- Amani
I'm with you on that Trextor. Friend Feed is more like RSS style of social networking. Facebook is not. Facebook just doesn't have a focus of info like Friend Feed.
- MarkCarras
I have to be honest that I don't use Friendfeed as much as I probably should. They have so much automated features that I don't even bother to login in weeks.
- Vlad Zabblotskyy
57 comments and 29 likes in 48 minutes. Interesting!
- Robert Scoble
I feel as if Robert is doing an evil (not really) little experiment with us and showing someone else to prove some point ...LOL.
- Amani
Amani: I just noted that because it seemed to have touched a nerve. Got a lot of feedback very quickly.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, many of those are very valid points and it's easy to see why a new user can get overwhelmed. I know that Brett keeps talking about making the service easier and friendlier for new users. I think they should perhaps offer a 'Lite' version for new users that hides a large number of features which can later be accessed by enabling the 'Advanced' features. Just a thought.
- Mark Krynsky
It took me 5 minutes just to figure out where my post was in this huge list of comments! Amani is right, FF will become way more conversational when it notifies you on additional comments on posts like this. Facebook is good at doing this when you comment on wall posts.
- Kelly Johns
The 'Send an IM when someone comments on my posts' feature has probably been my favorite of the year as it keeps me very engaged with people that comment on my items.
- Mark Krynsky
The 'date of post order' and some sort of basic profile are my 2 highest requested features for FriendFeed.
- Kol Tregaskes
Very useful list.
- Dave Winer
My biggest problem is that all my real world friends are just now getting onto facebook. a few are moving to twitter finally. it will be a year or more before my network migrates to friendfeed. you have to go where the people are! unless of course you could define a network on one platform and use the features of another platform to view/interact with that network. too much 'friend adding' duplication now. i wish you could treat these tools as readers rather than network definers.
- Jeff DiStanlo
UI has too much clutter. Customization support is needed. Post aggregation could use custom filters,
- anand
I consider FF the "heavy duty conversationalist". If I want wih a few folks I know for a little convo, FB is great. If I want a little convo with more folks I know a little less and make it public, Twitter is great. FF is about longer, tied-in conversations, holistic. FF needs a mobile client that works WELL with more phones than just the high-end ones else it will be in nichedom for a while."
- Patrick Moorhead
It mostly boils down to information overload. Friendfeed needs to invest substantial resources and effort in dealing with that problem before it can appeal to the masses. Friendfeeding is an activity for a small elite at this stage -- for people who can easily process huge torrents of text.
- Sean McBride
Robert, re: #8: clients that work with FF include Twhirl and PeopleBrowsr.
- Will King
I'm surprised there's not more of an outcry to be able to dynamically filter services in Friend list/feeds (home, list1, list2, etc.). It'd be a lot easy for me to scan these if I can a) filter-out 1 to many services (eg, don't display twitter, flickr, rss on list1) and b) filter-in 1 to many services (eg, display only twitter, only twitter and plurk, etc).
- Matt Albiniak
On FF vs FB: I think FB may be a competitor for FF ("ok, I can do this in Facebook" says the mainstream user) but FF is not a competitor to FB ("Facebook is much more fun", says the mainstream user) due to FB's app aggregation.
- santiromero
Wow, @misscharlie was a White House speech writer. The people you meet on Twitter are amazing. Bet she has lots of interesting stories!
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robert - was she there for the colbert speech? i would of loved to have heard about some of those reactions...
- Terry O'Fee
A music podcast I listen to mentioned something similar - Twitter enabled them to connect & interact with high profile people, artists, and musicians they never thought would care about them.
- trextor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... is her page on Wikipedia.
- Robert Scoble
Uh oh. She's going to get her first influx of new followers :)
- Brandon Titus
Brandon: She's about to see the power of social media in action.
- Michael Krigsman
I added her, and then responded to her 'Scoble Jackpot' greeting by telling her i thought she was Peggy Noonan. Hope she has a sense of humor. ;)
- Jim Mitchem
It must be true if Robert reported it. He's got a lot of followers.
- amygeek
had a great time tonight shooting industrial stuff near Long Beach with David Sommars. Unfortunately we ended up being hassled while shooting three times. Including having the Long Beach Harbor police run background checks on us and telling us that we were not allowed to shoot from a perfectly legal public sidewalk.
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Legal sidewalk.
- Thomas Hawk
I've read quite a few stories about photographers being hassled in Long Beach. Bummer. Get any shots of the officers?
- Jeremy Brooks
I got photos of the cops though which will be usefull for the blog post on the issue forthcoming.
- Thomas Hawk
Where you near Long Beach Harbor? Long Beach harbor is pretty well guarded since it is one of the largest ports in America. It's a security concern...too bad!
- Susan Beebe
I dunno, paparazzi they don't look to favorably on when you stalk celebrities...
- sofarsoShawn
Just kidding Hawk stick to the man!!!
- sofarsoShawn
Haha, as beautiful as the industrial stuff we were shooting was, I'm not sure i'd label it celebrity stalking.
- Thomas Hawk
Oh, and also finally shot the mona (museum of neon art) today as well. Highly recommended. Jeremy, you especially would have loved that place.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, where is the MONA? I live in LA and have never heard of it. :(
- Derrick
I've got to get down to LA again soon. It's been way too long. I'm looking forward to seeing your shots from this trip.
- Jeremy Brooks
Downtown L.A. On 4th. If you like neon signs it's awesome.
- Thomas Hawk
Just curious, is the Mona sane with their photo policy? When a Dan Flavin show came to the MCA here in Chicago a few years ago, all photography was banned. Took a few dozen photos anyway, seemingly out of spite. I don't think neon sculptures would be too damaged by photography.
- Seth Anderson
Thanks...will check it out. Looking forward to seeing your work too.
- Derrick
The mona's photography policy is great. I probably shot 600 photos in the small museum over the course of an hour and a half. They were totally cool with it. A great place.
- Thomas Hawk
How long has the mona museum been around? 'never heard of it...hmmm
- Susan Beebe
About to lose my iPhone signal, night all. Headed back up to Mrsth in the mountains with a few bottles of wine to say thanks for watching the four chicklets all day.
- Thomas Hawk
It's disturbing how many times in the last two months alone that someone has hassled/called the police simply because I wanted to take pictures from public property. Really, is disheartening.
- Brandon
Trebor, shooting industrial sites from a public sidewalk is neither illegal or renegade. You have your facts wrong in this one.
- Thomas Hawk
Can't wait for peopel to say enough is enough with overbearing gestapo like police power tripping.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
anything new about this?
- Sebastian
Sebastian, I'm working on a blog post on this that I think I'll run with some photos later today. I've tried to contact the Long Beach Harbor Patrol but haven't had much success. I'm going to try and call them later today to get a more definitive statement on what authority they state to eject photographers from the port and once I hear back post more details on the incident.
- Thomas Hawk
update here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Thomas Hawk
As EMI and Apple Delay Beatles Reissues, Bootleg Sales Boom - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2008...
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"the inability of Apple and EMI to get this music onto the market is a symbol of how pathetic the record business has become, and how dysfunctional Apple continues to be." - SO TRUE.
- Jennie Lin
from Bookmarklet
Managing Last.FM's "Mountain of Data" - http://tech.slashdot.org/article...
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The ability to access/analyze my music listening data was a major reason I joined last.fm (formally Audioscrobbler) three years ago.
- trextor
It's a Ratatat kinda night. I forgot how much I love Mirando. ♫ http://blip.fm/profile...
NEWS UPDATE: Twitter limits the amount times you can search for people: very lame http://facereviews.com/2008... pls retweet
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I just CANNOT understand why "someone" can't do something better than Twitter.
- Sian Simon
Rocketboom Signs Lisa Nova - http://www.inquisitr.com/12889...
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NPR Now Lets You Roll Your Own Podcast Feed - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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You know what would be really cool? If Microsoft and either Pandora or Last.fm (or both) got together and baked streaming audio functionality right in to the Xbox 360.
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i know they are trying but i have been dumbfounded by the way they have completely missed the boat on so many of the cool things they could be doing with xboxlive
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
As they say, Microsoft's Xbox Live offering sucks the least out of the 3 consoles. It's the main reason why you'd have a hard time getting me to switch to a PS3 even if you paid me $1000 to do it. It's the reason why my Wii sits unused. I just wish it had streaming music. Music Match, Last.fm and Pandora all could really benefit from such a pairing.
- Alex Scoble
I think that there might be a Media Center plug in for Pandora if you are using your XBox 360 as a Media Center extender with your PC. http://eirikso.com/2006...
- Thomas Hawk
I don't have Media Center on my PC, unfortunately. Which is why I think it would be uber useful to have the functionality baked right in to the 360 UI.
- Alex Scoble
It'd be even greater if they also ported it to the Zune. Though, I'd like to keep my Zune for music not a bunch of net surfing. BUT Last.FM and Pandora ARE music!
- Mattie Kenny
Alex what's your Gamertag?
- Joe Dawson
ITBlogger, Joe...sans comma of course :)
- Alex Scoble
Xbox 360 needs a lot of things. It could stand to have more online service support such as Pandora or shoutcast, but what it really needs is a browser.
- pcnerd37
You Wii sits unused? For shame Alex.
- Eric P
The Wii experience pales in comparison to the 360 experience...funky/cool controllers don't mean much without a good library of games to use them with. Calling the Wii's library thin is being kind.
- Alex Scoble
The 360 needs a web browser, with normal support for things like java and flash or silverlight. Get that, and streaming shouldn't be hard.
- mark zero (Jason)
Alex, I have both and disagree with Wii experience vs. 360. 360 is great to play with yourself (you know what i mean) but the Wii experience in my family beats 360 when it comes to the family playing together. The Wii has a smaller library, but funner games for my family.
- David Bisset (sn)
At least one of the new Samsung Blu-Ray players has Pandora
- Michael Hart
David, I'd agree with you that the Wii has the better local multiplayer experience...but the Xbox totally pwns the other 2 consoles in online experience all the way around. It's gamerpoints or nothin'.
- Alex Scoble
My 360 is already plugged into my stereo via digital link. Pandora or last.fm would be a perfect app...
- Peter Ghosh
Camera Obscura – Tears for Affairs - http://www.last.fm/music...
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Mumbai proof that Wikipedia can be vital breaking nesws source. http://citmedia.org/blog...
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Technological innovation I'm most concerned about is terrorists using high-speed inflatable boats. Nuke plants just got less safe.
- Rob Sterling
I would be lying if I said I wasn't crying right now. "Change has come to America."
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Hugs. Congratulations
- Kamath (नमः)
I cried a little, too. It's wonderful to not have to be completely disillusioned.
- Neal Jansons
Hugs. Congrats to all Americans.
- AJ Batac
In the words of another President whose words moved me in jy youth, "It is morning in America."
- Chris Baskind
I will never forget this day, for as long as I live... It's still surreal.
- Mona Nomura
congratulations from Canada Mona!
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
*hugs* I'm still surprisingly dry-eyed. Maybe tomorrow it will hit me.
- Carmen - Happy 2010!
I can't stop crying... It feels like all the emotions I held in during the NASTY campaign just hit me.
- Mona Nomura
This is the greatest day in American history.
- Brandon
Surprisingly it hit me a little harder when McCain conceded than when Obama accepted. Although, my goosebumps were on overdrive at exactly 8:01pm when the West Coast polls closed, and CA, OR, and WA went to Obama confirming the victory.
- Pete Delucchi
Let it out. Cleanse. Repeat. :)
- Kamath (नमः)
It's been an emotional time for all of us. Now let's all reflect and move forward together.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I'm not really an emotional person... so this is weird. I'm crying more right now than when my ex and I broke up LOL.
- Mona Nomura
Aw Mona. ((((((morehugs))))))
- Carmen - Happy 2010!
It's a huge historical moment -- you can feel it.
- Sean McBride
Hey, you just got back together with your country. A breakup is nothing compared to that is it?
- Kamath (नमः)
YES WE CAN!
- David Cook - 2010!!!
Congrats from Canada!!
- trextor
::still teary eyed::
- David Cook - 2010!!!
yes we can!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
The emotions just kicked in all at once - I need a Valium.
- Mona Nomura
same. Such a powerful moment
- Jim Goldstein
Me too
- Sally Church
*Hugs* :*)
- Anna Haro
xoxoxox
- John LeMasney
The world is looking at your country in awe. You were able to change, and I'm so happy for you all. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Utna
Congratulations from Spain ! well done :D
- Juan Pablo González
I can now begin to understand what my parents must have felt with John F. Kennedy was elected.
- Greg
Congrats From Malta!
- Chris Farrugia
help i have emotions...where is the valium...doh. welcome to the usa,...where the majority of white ppl still voted for mccain.
- Chris Hofmann
I just talked to the kid who found the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant video. His mom was Miss Juneau and was given the tape after competing.
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You have a great "job".
- Sam Pullara
Fact-finding site: Ayers attack unfounded - http://www.socialmedia.biz/2008...
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@katcurlee: you think Apple's new things are cheap? You should go look at Netbooks. They are running around $400 for really nice ones.
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here's the bigger version for mona... sorry to bombard you guys! i promise this is the last!!!!! and thanks for all the feedback . i super appreciate it!!!
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DEFINITELY THIS ONE holy wow. This one is on point!
- Mona Nomura
Hmm, it's made it even harder to decide now. I see your dilemma. URK I can't decide
- Mo Kargas
this one
- Caroline
Post all four in one post and lets have a vote!
- Johnny Worthington
This is definitely more feminine. Your lips are more flush. I still like #3. It's more mysterious and strong.
- Rodfather
I like how your head's angled here, too.
- Mona Nomura
The black does highight your skin/face more, less about the dress, more about you
- anna sauce
OMG Anna, I think you pinpointed why all the guys are picking the other one and the girls are choosing this one. HAHA
- Mona Nomura
I like this one. Really nice smile Melissa.
- Larry Kless
@Mona, that's funny, you know, as a woman, it's like - boobs or me? - in fashion haha
- anna sauce
Anna: TOTALLY. haha!
- Mona Nomura
Daily Kos: McCain attended ACORN rally - http://www.dailykos.com/storyon...
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McCain hearts ACORN - before the election...
- Stephen Foskett
from Bookmarklet
The secret to being a successful politician is to never have your picture taken and to never get quoted.
- Louis Gray
What's really going on with ACORN: http://www.openleft.com/showDia...
- AJ Kohn
I love, I mean I *really* love watching the Republicos do their circular firing squad thing. Get me some popcorn! :-) http://frum.nationalreview.com/post...
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Camera Obscura – Houseboat - http://www.last.fm/music...
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love camera obscura
- edythe
ditto
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Camera Obscura is a recent favorite along with The American Analog Set.
- Melissa
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