I left a comment agreeing with you on this post. - Robert Scoble
Linking may be less important but as I've said elsewhere the alternatives do not always provide quality traffic to go with the quantity. - Colin Walker via fftogo
'Like' * 3!!! You said what we've all wanted to say, Louis - thanks for this great post. - Jesse Stay via twhirl
Interesting... and I wonder what this is going to do to Google's rankjuice flow model... if linking to others as part of a mutual info/attention ecomony starts to decline in importance and value. - Tom Beardshaw
@tombeardshaw, you can see how old-school google is .. - gregory lent
There's now a pretty good dialog in the Disqus comments on Louis' blog as well. Good reading - Charlie Anzman
@louisgray this is totally wrong. Linking is one of the most powerful signals you can send to Google about your importance and authority in your topical area. I will leave a bigger comment on your post but basically just read @DannySullivan comment carefully because he said it well. And he should know. Especially brand new bloggers NEED high quality links to even be found in Google. What % of your traffic is through Google? 60%? 75%? Enuf said. - Elliott Ng
@gregorylent maybe... searching people and what they've found here vs searching pages and their content on google? I find FF more useful for finding the latest content. Google still rules as an archive though. - Tom Beardshaw
@Elliott - I think the point of the post was that Louis is getting traffic from FF, google etc rather than from blogs linking to his posts. - John
I guess this could be seen as a Tipping Point for your blog, Louis. When you started out you relied on other people linking to you but now you generated enough content, authority and page rank that the referral traffic from blogs is minimal compared to what you get from Google searches. - John
John, that could be one way of looking at it. Also, year over year, a link from Scoble is about the same. I didn't get linked to from the big guys, aside from him, in 2007. I would get about 200 visits from his stories last year, and the FriendFeed one drove about 350 this year, with other mentions being in the 70 range. Also, this post wasn't supposed to be about me, per se, but about how the biggest blogs drove such a small amount of traffic, relative to social media, in general. - Louis Gray
IMHO, it was always the case that you got more comments the more you commented on other people's blogs. Sort of symbiotic relationship. FF seems to just be the next incarnation of the same rule. FF really is just a single portal to view a member's complete content stream and comment inline. - Shawn Smith
It would be interesting to take a look at a relatively new blogger who is active in social media to see what kind of numbers they are getting. - John
I agree with John above. I went through this with my niche blog. Now, my biggest worry is to keep advancing my game so I stay on the other side of the tipping point. Social Media is a part of that game, adding other services, networks, etc are an important part as well. But they're just tools. - John Frost
I'm inclined to think that there is something much bigger going on here. - Kevin
I think what's really going on is web browsing behavior is changing. People are less inclined to click on blog links. I think louis is right - folks are relying on aggregators and search engines to find content, or they're in their reader subscribed to so many blogs following the links within articles is less appealing. - Jason Kaneshiro
I think there is a point at which what Louis says is true, but it's after his blog "arrived" in a sense. After all, a link from Mashable that only give him 77 readers isn't much when he's getting 3,000 visitors from Google that same day. But it's a ton when no one knows who he is (including Google). I agree with John above about the "Tipping Point." - Bob Caswell
Great piece describing the changing landscape for how blogs are discovered and read. Interesting that the #1 and #3 blogs that drove your referrals were posts that themselves were powered by Techmeme and Digg. You indirectly got the benefit through those services. - Hutch Carpenter
i think i have to agree here. i used to find all kinds of new sites through post links but rarely click out of google reader unless i want to comment these days. ff and twitter drive me to more new sites now. - Steve Long
This applies to those people in the thick of the blogosphere and social media, NOT to the rest of the people on the Web who don't know what all this newfangled Web 2.0 stuff is. And quite frankly, that's a good 99% of the people getting online. - Wendy
I believe I agree with the change of discovery of content, but in the end it's still a link whether it's from a blog or from an aggregator such as FriendFeed - I still click on a link. We are simply adding multiple layers (shared thru Google Reader -> FriendFeed -> actual content). - simonpure
There's no irony of it being on Techmeme. I said that's where many people find their news... so it shows the system works. - Louis Gray
Links are still *extremely* important. Your 'Google/Organic' results wouldn't have happened unless you'd established yourself as a hub and authority in your 'neighborhood'. The only way Google understands this is by looking at links: quality and quantity. In addition, you don't get full credit for links right away. It takes time for Google to fully weight the links you have, thus avoiding ephemeral link gaming strategies. - AJ Kohn
Louis, great article on the sliding landscape of traffic aggregration, but I didn't see you make mention of the quality of your visits - only volume. SU for instance offers some great volume, but I'm not seeing a lot of stickiness from that source. However, I do see the smaller referers seem to build longer lasting communities - and yes FriendFeed has offered some great interaction. - ChangeForge via twhirl
Actually, the camping in LOTR was one of the things I liked the most when I first read it as a teen in the 80s. Great escapism. Made me want to travel the world on foot. - Bill Bittner
watership down! amazing...are you going to create a swordlaser FF room too? - Pokai
I thought this was going to be a crap article about stuff we already know. I'm glad I actually clicked on it...and read it :) - Rahsheen Porter
I follow all 10. Got any other suggestions? - Robert Scoble
Why isn't Scoble on the list? Or did I miss it? - Kyle Lacy
Kyle, it's based on Mike's top 10 most interesting subscriptions as defined by Friendfeed. If you go to Friend Settings in the top right, then click on Stats, you can see your top 10. Scoble just doesn't happen to be in Mike's top 10. - Mark Trapp
Would have probably helped if I actually read the entire post. I went straight to the image. - Kyle Lacy
Nice nice. But this just motivates me to use FF more for so many other reasons! - Tamar Weinberg
+1 for Franklin Pettit, he's very active here and tries a ton of alphas/betas. Not to mention he had twins a good 2 years before louis gray... he's quite the trend setter :-p - David Knight
Did he say skilled? :) As my inbox fills overnight ... appreciate the mention Mark. Of the people commenting (that I know) above, add Tamar if you're interesting in the Social Marketing or SEO space. - Charlie Anzman
Well done, pleasantly surprised. :) - sergiooooooo
Thanks Mike I am glad to be one of your favorites. You are one of my favorites as well. - Franklin Pettit
I love Franklin's bio -- "His blog was recently “Louis Grayed.” " - Shey
Cool list... those folks are definitely "keepers"... fun to follow and interact with, including you too Mark!! :o) - Susan Beebe
A great post on Friendfeeds FOAF feature :) - Oliver Ding
Neat article lots of common interests there! - Geoff Schultz
The FF stats are a great mini snapshot of 10 people we find the most interesting. We all can agree on one thing, the stats are lacking
and could use a significant overhaul. - Mike Fruchter
Wow, thanks for the link love....thaaaaaat explains all the new followers. I was wondering what the heck happened today! - Sarah Perez
Now absolutely confirmed. I've been Mike Fruchter'd (with all due respect to 'the fearless leader' of course). - Charlie Anzman
One woman out of ten people? Shameful. Women are at least half the population on this planet. Your prejudices are showing. - Out Wrong
I'm on this list and feel fortunate to be included, but why do we have to make numbered lists of everything? My two cents...I'll be curious to find out what benefits being on this list brings...and what responsibilities.;-) - Cathryn Hrudicka
I was amused by the list myself (for reasons that become apparent when you read the whole list). As long as you take it for what it's worth - a list of people that other people find interesting - it's a nice list. But I suspect that "friends of friends" is a much more popular way to find new people to follow. - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
there is a segment of individuals who can only find themselves by producing a hierarchy, whether it is artificial or not, thus the need to produce these rankings. - Nathan Eckenrode
Aww, not on the list, even though I'd be at rank 197 with my stats now. How old is the data? - Mark Trapp
w00t, i'm up to fifty subscribers now. Am I charting yet? - nathan
If the data's collected by crawling, there's probably no good way to know how recent/accurate it is. That said, here's a little chart of the top 50: http://kshep.posterous.com/gra... - Ken Sheppardson
I had a private feed until about 1 or 2 weeks ago, when I finally opened it up as a public feed, so I probably would have had even more "followers" if it had been public all along. However, I wanted a chance to test FF out, and I felt that some of the comments and items in my feed stream are a bit more personal than my tweets or comments in other socnets. I prefer "friend" to "follower," and I would prefer my contacts on FriendFeed to be people who share interests more than in some other socnets. - Cathryn Hrudicka
@Mark - the data was collected during the second half of June. Also read my disclaimers about the limitations of this process: http://user21.com/2008/06/18/f... - atzmon
and the point is? ....... Are these people we should follow? - ChaCha Fance
ChcCha yes we should all give them our important bank info etc. because they are better people xD - Mark Forman
What's not clear: were the videos in question ever on the phone, and second, surely if this was an issue, they would have done due diligence before the deal. - Duncan Riley via Bookmarklet
From the news report: "Verizon said the controversial video was never shown on it's vcast service, and was never intended to be made available." - Ken Sheppardson
The video in question was posted A YEAR AGO! Didn't Verizon see this coming? - Pat Hawks
Pat, my question exactly. Ken, I heard that bit, but then what were people protesting about? the context doesn't fit, how can you boycott something that wasn't there? - Duncan Riley
Someone found out about the video, a huge public protest happened, it would become a media circus because someone used a keyword "racism". So Verizon went nuts and said "Ohh we need to make a statement and do something now! Who cares what?" - Candace Holly
Maybe people are just upset Verizon would do business with Feldman? - Pat Hawks
Verizon is full of shit. Loren is not a racist... I'm not going to stand for this PC crap! - Noah David Simon
ok, is it just me or did Channel 4 News spell "activist" wrong? acctivist? just sayin' - Christine Lu
It doesn't matter when the videos were made - much like it doesn't matter when a scandal arises over someone else's past behavior - like Obama's pastor & McCain's association w/ Gov. Williams. The behavior may be in the past - but the "guilt by association" is always in the present. Verizon clearly decided not to get behind Loren in this. Sometimes, your past does come back to haunt you. Even if it's not 'fair'. - Lucretia Pruitt
Lucretia, the thing that doesn't make sense is why Verizon didn't think about this BEFORE making the deal, sense the videos didn't just pop up. - Pat Hawks
Too bad the social media doesn't have the power of the mainstream media yet. Verizon could get a load of us calling "bs" on the whole thing. Though I doubt that will make them panic as much as this story did. ...It's terrible but, I'm laughing. Because this...this is funny. - Candace Holly
I like the Rev Wright angle. That's double groovy with one and half twists. - Jay Tannenbaum
I think video is racist. Verizon and 1938 is a different story but the video is racist. - Akshay
Verizon is just a bunch of dolts wearing suits. If they didn't see it before it's because they didn't look for it. In other words: they didn't do their job. When they awoke from their slumber they were being pushed around by a bunch of hysterical PC ankle-biters. - William, CPU Media
Media Circus time-Loren gets to follow the elephants and clean up. - Mark Forman
hahaha this is great. I feel like 'internet people' have a much healthier conception of racism. Taking tech nigga out of context could easily make Loren a racist. But it really started a conversation, which is what I think what Loren originally hoped to do. - daniel morgan
"Hello LA Humanity? This is Dave Winer. Did you know..." Have to say, glad to see feldboy getting nailed. Yep I am. - jeneane sessum
@daniel morgan . I'm sorry but your comment "internet people" I find degrading to those of us who use the internet. I am afraid I am going to have to begin a public boycott of Friend Feed since they are allowing you to be on Friend Feed spouting such degrading stereotypes of people on the internet. ...I guess the internet is serious business after all. - Candace Holly
It appears things flared up over the weekend. I would just guess that in the wake of the announcement, the public started browsing Loren's back catalog. The video is linked to and/or embedded on a number of sites over the past few days. The earliest references to the boycott by Najee Ali, Project Islamic Hope, that I can find are from yesterday: http://tinyurl.com/5k4bxq and http://tinyurl.com/6s86yh. - Ken Sheppardson
Screw Verizons and screw the losers who have nothing better to do with their lives than protest a year old video. - Tony Kanzia
While we're at it -- screw YOU for not having some frickin respect. - Shey
There's a difference between the state quashing free speech and people using free speech to influence the financial dealings of a private actor. Just sayin', 'tain't censorship. Loren owes his success to controversy, but that's a double-edged sword. - Madsimian
Thanks for sharing this, Duncan, since I wouldn't have seen it otherwise, inasmuch as I'm ignoring Los Angeles local TV news, VCAST, and Najee Ali. Not boycotting, ignoring. - Ontario Emperor
I don't want to belittle Corvida's stance, because I support it. I guess my feeling is that I've always thought of Corvida as a smart person. Someone I made sure I read. And that is the measure of a person, isn't it? - Tris Hussey
Used to love chunky as a kid...sadly, allergic now. - Mack D. Male
I like the honey flavored one and sometimes the chunky one - Outsanity
ilovepeanutbutter.com - just ordered from them last week! I bought six flavors: hot and spicy, cinnamon raisin, dark chocolate, white chocolate, honey, and maple syrup. Pretty cool. - Tamar Weinberg
I get it fresh down at our local whole food store. Not expensive at all -- and it's just yummy peanuts. i add a small amount of extra light olive oil to make it smoother (no, it doesn't add olive flavor). Serve with local honey. Nummy, and it's +5 hippie points. - Chris Baskind
Chunky, made with peanuts and salt. None of that sweetened, stabilized crap, thank you. - Jeremy Brooks
Laura Schuders All Natural or the Organic Peanut Butter from Costco. Both are just peanuts and salt. I don't like any peanut butter that has added sugar. - David Ward
did someone mention White Chocolate Wonderful from ilovepeanutbutter.com? omg, i can finish off an entire jar right now. so. damn. good. - Christine Lu
how about Trader Joes almond butter with chunks of almond. Beats the pants off peanut butter. - Shawn Smith
OMG I love peanut butter. Like Chris Baskind I get my fix from our local Whole Foods, and earn hippie points at the same time. Can I get extra points because I've been doing this since I was a tot? My mother would drive out for hours (it seemed) before there were all natural stores everywhere like today, just to find quality whole food ingredients. And let me add the fact that she made all our bread. Nom nom nom. - Lisa Creech Bledsoe via twhirl
Homemade, mildly chunky. (Just put a cup of peanuts and 2 Tbsp peanut oil into a blender, and blend until it's at the desired consistency.) - Brent Newhall
If I'm trying to be a health nut, that annoying hippy peanut butter where you have to stir it for three minutes before you can eat it. And, if I'm being honest, the truly bad (but delicious!) for you skippy smooth peanut butter. - Jeremy
Skippy Chunky! I switched to Krogers Chunky to save $. - Russellreno
I haven't had peanut butter in a long time. When I did get it, I went with Pathmark store brand bulk peanut butter in a giant jar. - Morton Fox
Here in Greenwich Village we have Peanut Butter & Co. which specializes in peanut butter and sandwiches(!) My fave is the white chocolate peanut butter. Also of note: they serve peanut butter, fluffernutter and bacon sandwiches. Take that, Elvis! http://www.ilovepeanutbutter.c... - Steve Isaacs
the peanut butter inside reese's peanut butter cups! - corrine
I have just been informed of yet another solid reason to move to New York ... and that's Peanut Butter & Co. Holy crap, I say. As for my favorite? I don't discriminate, although I prefer the smooth over chunky. - ::Kristen::
It has been said that even Bret Taylor himself was surprised to find Louis Gray on FriendFeed after a reboot one morning during alpha test. He was just... there. - J. Phil
New Louis Gray fact? Louis Gray doesn't need to be invited to a private beta. He invites himself. - Mark Trapp
The FriendFeed is a system, Neo. What are you waiting for? You're faster than this. Don't think you are, know you are. Come on. Stop trying to friend me and friend me. - Louis Gray
+12 Louis for pitch perfect Matrix lines. - AJ Kohn
pitch perfect and classic - that needs to go into the FF hall of fame - Marco
@aj I am a little disconcerted that we were both apparently typing a comment that used the not completely common phrase "pitch perfect" at the exact same time - Marco
@Marco: Chalk it up to 'great minds think alike' ;) - AJ Kohn
@aj just wanted to make sure FriendFeed wasn't creating some kind of singular consciousness - Marco
"At this point in my life I don’t need to make money with my photography" , I wish I was loaded with $$$ so I can pursue my hobby fulltime :)- - Peter Dawson
Haha, Peter, I'm far from "loaded," but photography certainly couldn't pay for the mortgage and four kids that I'm supporting right now. If I could quit my day job and focus on photography full time I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's going to be many years before that happens though. - Thomas Hawk
that self portrait pic is one of my favorites - every time I see it I am impressed by the depth and complexity represented by such a simple picture - been meaning to tell you that for a while. - Marco
Bill Wadman is an amazing portrait photographer. One of the best. That photo he took of me is my favorite of all of the photos I've ever seen of myself. I love how he juxtaposed my camera and the security camera. His 365 project is definitely worth checking out. http://www.365portraits.com/in... - Thomas Hawk
good gosh he is talented - those pics are amazing - Marco
I will buy a 3G iPhone. Most definitely. The #1 thing I do on my iPhone is participate in the Web, and having a faster one will be worth the expense. - Robert Scoble
Sorry, I won't be getting an iPhone now either. I didn't get one when they first came out and still not getting one. Maybe if someone wants to send me one to demo/test and write about I might be more inclined to consider the phone. - Paul W. Swansen
Yes unfortunately I will! But I actually might be saving $$, my AT&T plan is really high right now AND I get a 12% discount. Not sure if I'll get that when I get a new contract...I'll be going to an Apple store, not AT&T so I'm not sure they can make the same deals. - Kat
I currently have Verizon and a AT&T account. I have a Blackberry Curve as my phone right now with AT&T but I only use it for texting and email. Web surfing on the BB is not very good. I am getting the iPhone 3G to try and replace my BB for those needs as well as web surfing. The one thing I am pissed about is the text messaging is not included with the unlimited data plan so that's an extra $20 for that. Good thing I get 15% discount on my rate plan. - Andy Breeding
I took a wait and see attitude with the first release: I patiently waited a whole two days! Probably do the same this time. The link Scoble posted was about the Canadian iPhone release, though. I'd probably think about it a while if I was there. - Tom Landini
Nope not getting an iPhone. The author underestimates the power of an affordable, unlimited data plan that comes with the Instinct. Time will tell - Shey
I'll be hanging on to what I have. The iPhone didn't impress me the first time around. After what I went through with AT&T the last time, I'll never use them again. - Candace Holly
The bad thing is that I just broke my iPhone 2G bought in California (and jailbreaked) so I'll have to do something, but I don't know if I'll buy a new iPhone 3G; it's ridiculously expensive in Canada. - fbrunel
I dropped my 2g iphone a couple times and had to do the HW unlock the first time, so scratched the case a bit. I will probably end up getting the new one as I am really annoyed with the speed as well while on edge. Anyone interested in buying Ireland's 1st unlocked iPhone :) - simonpure
er, that was supposed to be, "I'm getting the cell phone hotspot (in the link)". Not to mention I get to stay on T-Mobile if I do! - Jesse Stay via twhirl
I'm considering getting an iPhone... I was 100% on-board, but Rogers' plans for it are dreadful, so I'm just a "maybe" now. Very disappointing. - Dave Fleet via twhirl
Italian plans aren't much better. Vodafone is giving 500mb x month and 900 minutes / txt messages for 99 EUROs. Don't know yet about the other carrier (TIM). :( - Simone
IPod Touch, yes. iPhone, no. I'll keep my BlackBerry for now. I had AT&T as a wireless provider once before, and I don't want to go through that again. - Harvey Simmons
best thing that ever happened to my combs was my iPhone. the faster the better :0 - Tim Aldiss
cone to think of it it's the best thing that ever happened to my 4 yr olds comms ;) - Tim Aldiss
nope... my N95 8GB still beats it in more ways than one. And, I'm lucky enough to have an "Old Blue" plan with inexpensive unlimited data on ATTWS. - thecolor
I won't even consider replacing my 1st gen iPhone until 3G is available in my area. By that time, the iPhone might be available through other vendors -- which would be a good thing for consumers. - Chris Baskind via feedalizr
Robert, you know my feelings about this one...keyboard, keyboard, keyboard. show the accessory, make it work WELL, and I'll show at&t the money. - Andrew Feinberg
Reminds me of the mantra of the Borg - Resistance is futile! Yep it is. - Roberto Bonini
I'm not getting a new iPhone because if the Gen 1 that I have works I want to save the $ boost in the actual plan if I can. - Tony
No, because I will not sign another contract with AT&T. I want my freedom from them. - Gerard Barberi via twhirl
going to party inline at the Thousand Oaks Apple store next Fri. AM. Join us! - Mark Sylvester
no I won't. And my blackberry is already ordered :-P - Marcos Marado
I've an eeePC with a mobile broadband adaptor. Works brilliantly for portable web. - David Sim
I live in Canada and I am *not* happy. Rogers is asking for a 3 yr contract and doesn't even order unilimted data for the high priced plans!!! They are taking both consumers and Apple for a royal ride eh? - Kamath via twhirl
Can't afford one. More specifically, things I want or need more keep taking priority over one. I guess it helps that I'm never more than five minutes away from an Internet-connected computer, and don't like monthly fees. - Garrett Guillotte
AT&T doesn't support 3G in my area, so I can forget it - Randy via twhirl
As soon as it works on Verizon. AT&T doesn't work in my parents house in Ohio. - Mitchell Tsai
I'm in India and it will be here probably next year for like $1000.. Forget it. - Muthu Ramadoss
I was going to until I read about Android and the barcode scanner. It may be a way off but this recession isn't going anywhere fast. And I know I can use that function everyday to search for the best deal and make whatever joint I'm in match or beat it if they want my business. Empowering. And AT&T just isn't offering a competitive plan. Plus, we have winter here and touch screens aren't charming in the winter. I can wait and will for a superior value. - Boo
Not until they allow it to be used as a modem over bluetooth, will be looking closely at upgrading from n95 to the n96 - Chris Garrett
No, I really won't. (1) AT&T is crap (2) It still isnt capable of copy / paste (3) It is a closed platform (4) no real keyboard ... basically... it lacks everything my windows mobile device DOES have. - Soulhuntre via twhirl
"TweetDeck offers four major columns in which to organize Twitter data: "All Tweets", essentially your friends' timeline, "Replies", showing replies to you, the equivalent of Twitter's replies tab, "Search", which will keep a running search window open for a term you've selected, and "Group", which lets you make a sub-set of those you follow on Twitter, and make a miniature timeline" [This seems like a hardcore Twitter tool. Lots of windows and activity. Seems to occupy an entire screen.] - Bwana McCall via Bookmarklet
"The recent strain at Twitter has resulted in the service reducing the number of API calls developers can make to get Twitter updates, and there, TweetDeck has you covered as well, so you learn if there's any slowness, where to lay the blame" [This alone has reduced my faith in Twitter apps to zero. The apps can only be as good as Twitter's API. It's current state is ridiculous. ] - Bwana McCall
"While Jesse Stay and others have said Twitter's major issues have decimated the developer community's efforts around Twitter, there are still some looking to innovate, TweetDeck being a good example" [I hope for their sake that Twitter gets their act together. I would hate to see such an effort go to waste.] - Bwana McCall
None of it will be wasted effort. Because a smart developer will see the larger vision of microblogging incl things like FF and identi.ca - Tris Hussey via twhirl
Bwana, I still think there will be innovation, I just know a lot of frustrated developers and it can't last long if it's taking time and effort. I was simply sharing some real life examples of developers leaving the platform because of this. Truthfully, I'm actually developing my own Twitter apps on the side - you better believe that the non-Twitter systems are on the back of my mind, and will be a backup though. I could pull away from Twitter at any time, and I'm sure they could as well. - Jesse Stay
Of course it is :) I'm only getting female replies. Naah ... must be me ... - Charlie Anzman
Been using this a few minutes now - I like it a lot. I'm one of those people who subscribes to hundreds and hundreds of tweets -- more than I can possibly keep up with. I had a special, sooperseekrit account for following RL friends and other accounts for whom I didn't want to miss a tweet. This is a more elegant solution. - Mitch Wagner
I would say blogging, because I count micro-blogging as just a subset of blogging. Meaning...I have really made no choice at all. I still get to do both :) - Rahsheen Porter
Does FF participation count as micro-blogging? I participate in FF a lot more than my blog now. More convenient, easier to start a conversation and keep it going. No self-imposed timetable or post quota to keep up with to make sure enough people are interested in being part of my "audience" (it's built in with FF). Easier to interact with people and get more interaction back. Easier to find the answers to my questions. FF does all I really wanted out of blogging anyway. - Lindsay Donaghe
depends on my mood and what I want to say. it obv takes a lot less cognitive ability to microblog, but many more mainstream people read my blog. - Philip Ryan Johnson
@Lindsay Yeah I definitely agree. FF takes away a lot of my time that I would spend doing other things, that's why I've significantly cut my usage over the past couple weeks. - Shey
definitely would stay with blogging. I can live without things like Twitter. - Rob Diana
If had known micro-blogging / lifestreaming would reach this level, I probably wouldn't blog at all - Charlie Anzman
I can always find time to micro-blog... - Rachel Beer
Micro blogging == FF? If FF posts supported more length, formatting and inclusion of media then blogging would disappear for most people - Brian Sullivan
I don't think we have to or need to choose. Both are great for different things. - Tris Hussey via twhirl
more and more I am falling towards the micro blogging side. I sometimes think I should just get rid of my traditional blog. - (jeff)isageek
Since you did not mention IM, blogging, even though I do little of it, there are times a long public rant is needed for the psyche - Michael W. May via twhirl
Mini-blogging. Creating content while wearing a mini-skirt. - Andy C
98% of my blog's readers do not know what twitter is and they don't care. When I used twitter tools to publish an daily digest of my tweets, they hated it. So: The answer is Blogging. - Rick Powell
I agree with Lindsay. Post directly to FF. - Russellreno
That's what I've been trying to say (not that it's anyone's fault though) -- that TM is what it is, and its strong point is not speed. It might never catch identi.ca as a top story, but if it got acquired by Microsoft or Google or TechCrunch, it would zoom right to the top and stay there. It's the nature of news, it starts out small and as it grows it settles on a few stories and repeats them over and over until something new starts, and we start over again. - Dave Winer
That's why I started TechJunk after doing the same thing for political news. Not to strangle the market (which is what TM/TC does, again no one's fault) but to act as a pied piper. As with blogging the way to get around group think is with individual judgment. Pretty soon the flaming will start, btw. :-) - Dave Winer
This is what I mean when I say that TechMeme has changed. Gabe is chasing Google News with TechMeme now, not covering what regular people care about. Although the YouTube story that's on top right now is pretty important for us to know about and care about too. I think this is why I look at FriendFeed AND Techmeme. If you do that you get a good view of all stories. - Robert Scoble
Why do you need to write about Identi.ca on Twitter and not the other way around? - paul mooney
i didnt see it hit my google reader feed at all, only on friendfeed. @scobleizer "regular people" don't care about it at all. - Jeremy Toeman
Dave's comment on speed and TM seems spot on -- I just looked at TM for the first time in week -- all the top stories are old (to the extent that they have been talked about on FF and maybe Twitter if it were ever running for hours and sometimes days) - Brian Sullivan
Scoble, maybe its conscious on Gabe's part or maybe the algorithm now does what all human beings do when put in the same position. It happened in the 90s when the computer press only reported three stories: Apple is dead, Microsoft is evil and Java is the future. If you tried to say blogging is the future and Windows is dead, and there is new Mac software, and Java makes lousy UIs and will be used server-side only, and check out Flash, no one would have written it up. - Dave Winer
You can fill in the blanks on what the big stories are in the late part of this decade (oy it's already the late part of the decade). When you look back ten years from now, it will be clear (probably) that Google has already peaked, and what was Viacom again? Scoble will be the new Master of the Universe, and TechCrunch will be about as interesting as News.com and Wired are today. - Dave Winer
Now will Twitter be the main pillar of the new Internet, or will something like Apache be that? People like me believe it's the Apache model that's likely to galvanize this. Twitter needs to fade into the background the same way Apache did and the same way blogging software did. But Twitter is doing everything they can to be sure they are front and center, which creates this conflict. In March they *were* starting to fade into the background, and great new things were happening there, esp in politics. - Dave Winer
Maybe it is because it is so slow and this morning I can't log in. - Warner Crocker
Early yesterday I was getting a downloadable file rather than the site and couldn't register until later in the afternoon. I couldn't even go to profiles without being asked to download a file. Very strange. This morning I stopped using it because the site was too slow. - LPH
identica.ca seems to be a direct clone of twitter - even down to the preformance issues... - Tom Quinn
There is no doubt that a new site like identi.ca will suffer growing pains and performance problems. The big question in my mind is whether or not the community will contribute something to this open source project and try to make it better or just piss and moan about it. - Mike Doeff
They have a weird bug - their page redirects to a sub domain of their company, where the Identi.ca-code, but the links go back to Identi.ca, but form data isn't sent back to the company-sub-domain when they redirect you back. If you change the form-actions with Firebug, everything works. - sebmos
Techmeme should start linking FF discussion threads as "official" links on stories. They are frequently more interesting than what the other bloggers have to say about the same story. Not sure exactly how to do this but Gabe's pretty smart and I'm sure could figure out a way to do it. - Thomas Hawk
@Thomas...ahhhhhhhhh..brilliant idea !! Thats extacly what techmeme s/do and not only with FF butt other forum driven sites too - Peter Dawson
because techmeme are facists.. only a little though - Tyler
thats a great idea thomas - take away more from the people who create the content - love it! - Allen Stern
Oh my Godwin! I've been waiting nearly three years for someone to make such a comparison. Thank you Tyler! - Gabe Rivera
who is godwin, i dont see his or her comment? - Allen Stern
We all create the content Allen. Techmeme already links digg submissions to stories sometimes. I find the conversations at FF more interesting and mature frequently than the conversations at digg. It would seem a good fit to me. I'm sure Gabe could figure it out if he thought it added value. - Thomas Hawk
Ok Thomas thanks for your clarification. I am just hoping I get a lead sometime this week. - Allen Stern
Thomas: agreed FF threads tend to be be better than corresponding digg threads. But the problem with FF is the commentary around a post is typically scattered over multiple threads and often tricky to associate by machine (note Duncan's tweet above lacks a link). It's a partially solvable problem, but probably not worth it just to get FF comments right now. - Gabe Rivera
I never figured out what identi.ca was (Twitter clone? something else?) - but I made an account. :) - Don MacAskill
Funny.I got info about Identi.ca from Techmeme.You? - Igor Poltavskiy
Even I'VE never referred to Techmeme as "fascists." @Allen, I'm assuming Seth Godwin? may have been on his blog. - Cyndy
cyndy isnt that seth godin? im confused now - Allen Stern
Cyndy, read what Gabe wrote again. Gabe is talking to Tyler, who compared Techmeme to fascism. - Dan Kaplan
That's what I meant, Allen. Never mind. I'm confusing myself just replying. :) - Cyndy
Oh how I love FriendFeed! I've really really enjoyed reading this thread. I will now post a summary of what we've seen so far. - Gabe Rivera
SYNOPSIS: identi.ca, which almost topped Techmeme, should have topped Techmeme, because it's open source and therefore not just another buggy Twitter clone. This illustrates the problem with Techmeme, which TechJunk will help fix, and site owner Dave Winer should know because he knew 10 years ago what would be true and important today in tech. "Regular people" don't care about what's on Techmeme, but do, and should. (That last point was argued by the same person.) Techmeme may or may not be analogous to the Third Reich. Mike Godwin may or may not be Seth Godin. - Gabe Rivera
