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September 1 from Infoservi.it - Comment - Like - Share

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Ok, detto questo: dove vanno gli adolescenti e i pre-adolescenti su internet? FB, netlog, myspace? - Matteo Balocco

aggiungerei hi5, live space che ha messo su una community e badoo - prezzemolo

non dimenticherei affatto Windows Messenger. ha su ancora un dieci milioni di persone. ce lo dimentichiamo troppo facilmente (io per primo :). anzi ora mando una call a Luca - Alberto D'Ottavi

Second Life: Opensource Obscure

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July 6 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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Very nice and amazing!!! Tx OO :P - Simone Riccardi

Pretty well done. Wow. Spot on :) - Dani Radu

Beware the torch! - Walter Neary

Robert Scoble

When did I find time to write 24,000 comments? Damn! Arrington's right, I'm addicted. ;-)

June 9 - Comment - Like - Share

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http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... is my comment feed here on friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

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And what's even scarier is there are people with a lot more comments than I have. That's really scary. - Robert Scoble

You should start up a FF training service. There's plenty of other kinds of social media "experts" out there...but unlike them, this could be really useful. :) - phil baumann

Assuming 30 seconds per comment, that's 200 hours. - Micah Wittman

I think FriendFeed has become your new IM with high level exchanges. I'm showing my friend right now how the live updating of thought streams / chat is something that's only really on FF in a topic-organized visual manner. - Gib

Interesting to see more "likes" than comments. Hmmm... What does this mean? - Arthur Edstrom from BuddyFeed

Likes are easier than comments, and can be used to alert people to ideas, even if you can't add to the conversation. That said, we're pretty close to 1:1. - Louis Gray

I believe we will have to schedule an intervention for you. Maybe we can get it on TV. - frank barry

If someone someone sets up an intervention, make sure to capture it on Qik : ) - Mike Doeff

Lightweight... ;-) - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

u must be a speed reader aren't u not on 24/7 lol - polou/indigo_bow

And when, exactly, do you have time for a day job? - V Mary Abraham

And when do you sleep? It is after midnight here, and I am still twittering and FF - Ric Johnson

V Mary: who said this wasn't my day job? One boss tried to say that, by the way. I found another job. ;-) - Robert Scoble

Tina: I can't keep up with you. Arthur: I use friendfeed a LOT on my iPhone and clicking like there is a lot easier than typing. - Robert Scoble

Mike: the intervention that will work will be my death. I wonder if that will be Qik'd. I hope not, but I won't have much to say about it if it is. - Robert Scoble

I'm at 8K but I aim big. - anna sauce

I would like to get paid to spend time on FriendFeed and Twitter, where can I get one of those jobs? - 321

321: get a job at any of the big brands that are on Twitter. - Robert Scoble

OK, I'm in Little Rock, Arkansas, and my neighbor stops me because she knows I'm into this stuff and tells me she read of a Winery in California that is offering a 10K a month job to sit around and Twitter all day for the company, tells me I should get that job! - Stephen Pickering

I think I could sit around all day, drink wine and Twitter! - Stephen Pickering

I just hit 24,000, too! - Liz

Stephen: I thought about applying for that job myself. - Robert Scoble

Liz: addict! - Robert Scoble

Liz, it says you only have 97 comments? - Stephen Pickering

Man, I'm only at 298. I've got to start being more engaging around here - Stephen Pickering

Liz has almost 24,000 tweets. Tweets are not the same as comments as far as I know. - David Damore

Oh I see why I'm not more engaging. Most of my feed is coming through from Twitter, so they aren't seeing my comments. Duh. - Stephen Pickering

screw mike arrington... screw him.... oops... channeling leo laporte there - david amodt

WOW! - Parinoush

Alberto D'Ottavi

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June 9 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"Alla dirigenza del Pd evidentemente il caso Serracchiani - 144.558 preferenze - non dice nulla. Pensano di aver fatto bella figura candidandola e mandandola a Strasburgo: ora però ragazzina lasciaci lavorare che dobbiamo scannarci tra Franceschini e Bersani. L’idea di farsi da parte tutti e di lasciare spazio a mille Serracchiani, ai cuori contenti del meno sette per cento non viene neppure in mente." - Alberto D'Ottavi from Bookmarklet

in questi ultimi mesi ho avuto esperienza di una campagna elettorale in un piccolo comune in provincia di Parma dove socialisti sono lì da più di 30anni ( http://elezioni.portale.parma.it/elezion... ). Quando circa 6 mesi fa abbiamo fatto alcuni incontri per trovare un accordo ci han detto di metterci da parte. Così ho creato un gruppo di... more... - Simone Riccardi

però dipende. in questi giorni la serracchiani va in tv dappertutto, e se continua così è un po' difficile ignorarla... - Massimo Balducci

David Vasileff

List of smoking bans in the United States - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...

June 8 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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very intersting... looks like there is a serious need to start emailing the state officials to keep the state on the healthy side - Harold

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Yeah hunt down the smokers....:( - Adi

My favorite is that you can't smoke in Irish pubs even in Ireland. I don't even smoke, and I think it sucks. My opinion is if you don't like smoke, then don't go there and don't work there. - Cristo

Odd color choices. White means all kinds of bans. My POV is that smoking should be outlawed in all public places - and that we should continue raising taxes for smokers. - Mike Reynolds

Mike, I'm fine with taxes, but I hate the lack of freedom for anyone if you have a choice of whether to go there. Next up, banning cigar clubs. - Cristo

Only in America would you get the 'freedom' argument FOR smoking. I'm of the opinion that it should be made completely illegal. Sure it'll piss some smokers off now, but in the future, our kids won't know the difference, and it'll save everyone a lot of pain. - Will Higgins™

Will, ever been to Amsterdam? You'd probably want to outlaw smoking marijuana and drinking too, right? (Think of the kids) I think it's probably more than America that would disagree with your policy. I already said I don't smoke, but I do think if people want to smoke in designated pubs, that it should be allowed. - Cristo

Wow...do people really see a reality here where the Gov't censures our current POTUS and citizens for committing an "illegal" and unconscionable act of smoking? "War on Drugs" on overdrive.... - Adi

I'm fine with smoking but I want a bubble or force-field around the smoker. If you want the smoke that bad, you get ALL the smoke. Let it soak into your skin and breath it in second, third, fourth hand. *I* don't want your smoke and I don't want to hear you moan about not wanting to stink up your car, or clothes or home. - AJ Kohn

ditto what Harold said about Indiana. - Kamilah Gill

AJ, so you agree that if there's a pub, you should have the choice whether to go or work there right? And as long as people smoke there and it doesn't come out into a mall or the street, you're fine with it. - Cristo

Governments should make all the necessary steps to reduce smoking in the population: higher taxes, ban cigarette promotion/advertising, increase smoke-free areas, etc. After all of those steps, if people want to smoke in their own homes or in certain places without subjecting others to second-hand smoke, then fine. I guess smoking is still human rights, even though it means killing themselves - Andre P. Siregar

Everything is killing yourself, including drinking beer and coke, eating hot dogs at ball games, and driving. - Cristo

I've never been to Amsterdam. I'm not against alcohol. I am against Marijuana. I like AJ's 'bubble' idea. Do you guys know any smokers who are dying? I do. They're dying from smoking, and they smoked for no good reason. Therefore they're dying for no reason, and I think that's unacceptable. - Will Higgins™

Cristo, but that's another discussion :-D - Andre P. Siregar

Will, I'm against governments making decisions for me. - Cristo

Cristo: so you're an anarchist? - Will Higgins™

No, libertarian. - Cristo

Close enough ;) jk. Governments make decisions for all of us all the time. While outlawing smoking would be wildly unpopular, it would be more beneficial to society then most laws they pass. Buying GM? - Will Higgins™

Curious how outlawing smoking will play with freedom of religion, given that there are multiple religions that involve tobacco rituals... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Will, slippery slope. I don't believe the majority knows what is best for me and those around me, and I believe a good part of enjoying life is individual freedom. That's why I'm glad we have a bill of rights in the US. Anyway, I'm arguing about smoking because of principle, not because I think smoking is a positive thing. I want the government to be spending less time outlawing drugs and sex, and more time on protecting us from murderers, rapists, and other violent crimes. - Cristo

First they came for the smokers, but I did not speak out because I was not a smoker... - Morton Fox

What Morton said. - Christopher Harley

I don't get all this wanting to protect the smokers. Smoking is a choice. People shouldn't have to avoid public places because of excessive smoking. Let smokers do it in private. What if people wanted to say, take a crap in public? Would you get all hyper to protect that "right", too? (Bad example, maybe. It's late here.) - Kamilah Gill

Leading a sedentary life is a choice. And people shouldn't. It leads to early death. - Christopher Harley

Is that a response to me, Christopher? Someone else's sedentary life has little impact on me except for the possible eyesore created by their oversized backside. And maybe increased health insurance costs or something. Public smoke definitely has an impact on me. - Kamilah Gill

Where in your comments have you discussed the impact that smokers have on you? EDIT: When I commented your post stopped at "People shouldn't.." - Christopher Harley

mmhm. accidental Enter hit. anyway. - Kamilah Gill

A lot of people feel as though they are impacted by the presence of cigarette smoke even when they themselves aren't present and may never visit the places that they demand remain smoke free. Honestly, this discussion touches on the more important point; freedom of association. Some places should just refuse to allow some people to work there or enter and as a result, bear the economic brunt of their decision. - Christopher Harley

Cristo, would you get on board if the government tried to protect us against something that kills >400,000 people annually? That's the number tobacco kills every year in the US alone. And the government is not forbidding people to smoke -- people can still smoke in certain places. Governments put up all kinds of rules. In Singapore you're not allowed to import and sell chewing gums. Following rules is just part of being a citizen/resident. - Andre P. Siregar

The mythical govt of said reality knows best... After all they are 'protecting' us from those vicious smokers...what's next in store? I can't begin to imagine. - Adi

Andre, by that argument the fed is well within reason to outlaw fast food and other nutritionally void food, since it contributes to obesity which is related to more deaths each year than smoking. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Tina, there's too much debate on food to make it a law. Low carb vs. low fat, etc. The scientists/experts are not in agreement as to what food is "healthy" and "unhealthy". Also, obesity may not be 100% caused by food. Tobacco is different. Nobody says cigarettes are not hazardous to health. - Andre P. Siregar

Andre, can you give us an estimate as to how long, in years, tobacco has been the cause of death for those who have smoked it? I presume you'll take into consideration its use prior to its introduction to Europeans. - Christopher Harley

Andre, no. I think already stated my position. I also wouldn't ban driving, flying, or skydiving. Furthermore, as long as it's a personal choice, I don't believe we should have laws to prolong life. There are too many people in the world already. Finally, I'm fine with banning smoking in public, as long as public doesn't include a privately owned pub designated as a smoking pub. - Cristo

Um, strange because smoking is banned in public places in Colorado with a few exceptions. Not listed that way. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

What are the exceptions, Eric? - Christopher Harley

Oops, white is full ban, nevermind. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

Also, I think the Singapore rule of not chewing gum is stupid, as is people getting put in jail for 4 years in Dubai for having poppyseed or trace amounts of marijuana on their person. - Cristo

Too much debate? LMAO. - Adi

Businesses with less than 5 employees, smoking area in the airport, and I think the casinos at one point but that was reversed I believe. Would have to check. Edit: also forgot cigar bars. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

Christopher, I don't have the estimate, but I'm sure it's searchable. I'm not an expert, I'm just offering my opinions here in Friendfeed - Andre P. Siregar

this thread is full of epic FAIL......I am borderline anarchist/libertarian. Government do more harm than good for all. I would have just left this thing along...but some of the views expressed in this thread are completely disgusting. - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

I understand that, Andre. But the fact that something contributes to one's decline in health is distinct in nature from something that causes one's death. Legislating against everything that contributes to a decline in the health of human beings leads us farther and farther away from personal freedom. Given that, where does it end? - Christopher Harley

Christopher: you are wrong. What about MY freedom to be without smoke? That is the greater freedom. I am far more free today than 20 years ago. - Robert Scoble

Where am I wrong, Robert? Stay away from smoke or be refused entrance where smoke is present. It's a win for you either way. - Christopher Harley

so Robert, you feel it's ok to repress others' freedoms because you want to be more free? - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM

I'm getting the feeling people are commenting now without reading the entire thread. Please don't drive by with your comments that don't consider other opinions in their fullness. - Cristo

Christopher: we now know how restricting your world is. In my white world I am so much more free. - Robert Scoble

Oh. man. - Christopher Harley

Robert: Ever heard of the non-smoking section? You've had the right not to be around smoke for like 40 years dude. What about a business owners right to choose whether people are allowed to smoke in their establishments? Don't get me wrong, I don't totally hate the smoking ban here in Minneapolis (now statewide), because it gets me off the barstool for a bit... But the principal of the matter still bothers me. - LarchOye

Your white world? What are you saying, Robert? - Christopher Harley

@Robert...Wrong? If I could only live in your bizzarro reality... - Adi

Robert....c'mon! that's.......oh dear god...I need to go outside and smoke one to calm down before i say something stupid - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM

Christopher, I think he's referring to the map legend colors, but it's a poor choice of words. - Cristo

Ahhh. I see. - Christopher Harley

I thought we went off the rails for sure. - Christopher Harley

LarchOye: anyone who believes in non-smoking sections also believes in non-peeing parts of pools. - Robert Scoble

I agree there, Robert. - Christopher Harley

Cristo: I was, indeed, refering to the chart above. I live in one of the white states. - Robert Scoble

Mike: smokers take away my freedom to clean air. It's amazing how lame that argument is anymore. Even Europe is starting to grow up about this issue. - Robert Scoble

Nice, a loaded analogy. Am I supposed to be impressed? Edit: Exactly...Bi-Coastal North America and Western Europe are the benchmark's of society... - Adi

I agree about what you are saying about non-smoking sections, Robert. BUT....why is it up to the government to decide how businesses and people act? Shouldn't it be up to a non smoker to not patron a place that allows smoking, that business can then decide if they would rather ban smoking inside to bring more non-smoking customers in. That is freedom, not restricting one group of people to make your world more free! - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM

People today are much more conscious of their 'freedoms'. I don't think making smoking illegal would lead to making other things illegal. The main difference between smokers and every other persecuted minority in history is that there's no reason to smoke, and it's something nobody should be doing anyways. - Will Higgins™

Mike: because this is MY freedom you are talking about and when it comes to people's freedoms to take other people's freedoms away the government usually has to get involved. - Robert Scoble

Robert, I'll give you hospitals, schools, government property. Private businesses should decide for themselves if they can weather the absence of non-smokers. - Christopher Harley

Will, ok so on that token, there's no reason to drink alcohol or smoke weed, or watch pron on the net, let's make that all illegal....we'll just all go around and act the same and do the same things just so we don't do anything that people think is stupid - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM

Mike: why does the government have to get involved when it comes to murder? To drunk driving? To theft? To property rights? Hint: many people are boors and the only way they'll consider other people's freedoms over their own is if government is involved. - Robert Scoble

Christopher: wrong. Wrong. Wrong. When it comes to my freedom no business should be able to choose. If that were true business could trample all sorts of my freedoms. - Robert Scoble

Robert, in this thread it has been stated several times that if something affects other people negatively, it shouldn't be allowed. I disagree with you that there shouldn't be a place where people are allowed to smoke however. Would you close all the coffee shops in Amsterdam? - Cristo

Christopher: in your world business would be able to decide whether to only serve men, or only serve white people, or to not serve handicapped people, or could decide to place me into slavery, if they wanted to (like businesses do all over the world, by the way, to their customers). - Robert Scoble

Robert, you're right, they would. And at some point they would cease to do business because they would have alienated all their potential customers. - Christopher Harley

Robert, without the government, you'd have other free market means of dealing with these people. It's a known fact that prohibition leads to more black market activity and more crime in ANY country. The whole problem we are dealing with right now is prohibition of drugs that is creating a huge crime problem because people can't freely trade or at least engage in free market activities. If everyone had access to things without the force of government. - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM

Cristo: I'm cool with there being one place in the world to smoke. Las Vegas and Amsterdam are the two obvious choices. But there's a strong argument that the employees there are being harmed and that even there that smoking shouldn't be allowed. - Robert Scoble

Mike: the free market argument sucks. I've seen what happens there. The rich beat up the poor. The ones with guns decide what the others will do. The bullies make the geeks do their bidding. I'm glad I don't live in such a world. - Robert Scoble

In such a world Madoff rules the world. - Robert Scoble

Robert, I hate to tell you, that's happening now! - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM

Robert, so you wouldn't allow smoking pot in coffee shops in Amsterdam? Is that correct? - Cristo

Mike: exactly and I don't like it when that world happens. I like to live in a world where the government protects my freedom. - Robert Scoble

"... one place in the world to smoke." - What a concession. - Christopher Harley

What IS it about the south? - Nick in Manila

Cristo: right. I would ban smoking in all public places. You should have places to buy tobacco or marijuana and smoke them in your own home. - Robert Scoble

Robert, then you would be forcing those businesses to close. That's all they do. And the people that work there all smoke weed. So all you are doing is putting people out of work. - Cristo

Robert, what about those who smoke in their homes in the presence of children? What should we do about them? - Christopher Harley

Robert, our government "in the fight for freedom" has set up a constitutional-free zone within 100-mile radius of our border. The stories coming from these police check points that get setup there are horrifying. All in the name of freedom. Glad you enjoy your freedom so much! - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM

Cristo: there are lots of jobs that we've decided to do away with. - Robert Scoble

Christopher: we have lots of laws against child abuse. I guess you think that people should be able to abuse their children in their own homes, right? - Robert Scoble

BTW, I'm glad you are in favor of allowing people to smoke in their homes. My apartment building in SF just outlawed all smoking the in the building, and there are old people who have lived there for 50 years that smoke. - Cristo

Cristo: if you live in an apartment where the air is shared with other people, you shouldn't be able to smoke. Absolutely that is a great law. - Robert Scoble

Do you make that inference from my questions about smoking as it relates to this argument or are you just trying to paint me as sinister? - Christopher Harley

Christopher: anyone who tries to take away my freedom to clean air is sinister. Glad to see that societies around the world are starting to understand that. - Robert Scoble

Robert, well we are just in violent disagreement then. I don't think you can wander into a shooting range and complain if you get shot because you walked in front of weapons. Your argument is there shouldn't be shooting ranges. - Cristo

Cristo: I've been in shooting ranges. It's against the law to shoot people EVEN inside a shooting range. - Robert Scoble

Robert, if you don't want to buy or smoke weed, why are you going into an Amsterdam coffee shop? - Cristo

Cristo: buying weed is quite different from smoking it. You CAN enjoy weed without smoking it. - Robert Scoble

For coffee? - Micah Wittman

I was hoping you'd inch toward what is inevitable in this argument when we consider children and smoking; namely, have the state take them away and imprison the parents. - Christopher Harley

Micah, in Amsterdam you go to cafes for that. Coffee shops are explicitly for buying and enjoying marijuana. - Cristo

Christopher: so you think that child abuse is acceptable, right? As long as it's practiced within the walls of one's own home? - Robert Scoble

WTF? Absolutely not. - Christopher Harley

Christopher: then WTF are you rambling on about? - Robert Scoble

Now I understand why they call Scoble the social media guy... - Adi

Then the marketing is all wrong. But yes, whatever you call it, people figure out how to find what they want. - Micah Wittman

I'm coming to the meetup tomorrow at pier 23, but I'm bringing cigars. :) - Cristo

Cristo: well, it's in California so we can't smoke those in public places. - Robert Scoble

Well they can arrest me then. - Cristo

Cristo: you can earn a ticket, they don't arrest people for that. Business owners will kick you out, though, because their licenses can be yanked if they allow smoking indoors. - Robert Scoble

Rarely have I seen you so cagey, Robert. I'll ask once more, now at the risk of rambling: Should the state intervene in the homes of smokers where children are present? Is there a safe limit of tobacco consumption where children are present? Should we set limits in homes or should it be zero tolerance. - Christopher Harley

What happens if we organize a mob tweet-up, so 50 people show up smoking cigars at pier 23? :) - Cristo

Christopher: in an ideal world, yes, but in the real world the cops have bigger things to worry about. Here in California we have parents killing kids by leaving them inside cars during the day: http://news.google.com/news... - Robert Scoble

"... in an ideal world, yes." - Thanks. - Christopher Harley

Robert, it's sad that you would use those parents tragedy for an argument. I'm pretty sure that wasn't intentional. - Cristo

Christopher: it's shown that parents who smoke around kids cause harm to those kids. It's the role of a government to speak up for minorities or people who can't speak up for themselves. Cristo: I'm not using them for an argument, I'm using them as a demonstration that there's lots of stupid parents out there who bring harm to their kids and, yes, the government should get involved in an ideal world. - Robert Scoble

The argument that you should be able to abuse your kids as long as it's inside the walls of your house is a really stupid one. - Robert Scoble

Robert, I think we should invent some technology to prevent accidentally leaving kids in cars, instead of the government getting involved. Also, I think cops should be spending time learning the difference between a gun and a taser. - Cristo

Then do you see a time in the future when smoking in the presence of minors will be a crime? - Christopher Harley

Cristo: technology costs money, so you just taxed EVERYONE, including people who don't have kids. Hey, are you a liberal? :-) - Robert Scoble

Robert, so glad you condone the violence of government to rip apart families' lives so you can be more free. Nice. I'd prefer that government stay out of my damned life and those around me and let us live the way we want to live and if people have a problem with it they can confront US about the issue. - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM

Christopher: yes I do. It's akin to feeding your kids just a little bit of poison every evening. - Robert Scoble

Mike: got it. So you feel that parents should be free to abuse their kids and should be able to keep doing that, no matter what the consequences. Good one. - Robert Scoble

Robert, I have some liberal views, but mostly on social issues. In general, I'm a libertarian. I think government is too big in general. I don't consider providing solutions to be taxing. It costs more to send the cops out to clean up the mess than it does to put an rfid in the babyseat and have the car sound an alarm if you leave it without getting the child. - Cristo

That'll be an interesting world. Robert, you shouldn't assume that I smoke or that if I did, I would ignore the impact that it would have on kids. You've made me out to be something I'm not and that's not fair. - Christopher Harley

Cristo: I actually am for putting those alarms in cars too, but I'm a liberal and feel it's OK to force everyone to pay a tax to protect innocents from the idiocy of others. - Robert Scoble

Christopher, Robert makes his living being polarizing. Don't take it personally. :) - Cristo

Christopher: again, WTF are you arguing about then? If you smoke outside where you just harm yourself and not your kids then we have nothing to argue about. - Robert Scoble

"but I'm a liberal and feel it's OK to force everyone to pay a tax to protect innocents from the idiocy of others." ......*sigh*.....I'm done...you win - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM

Christopher: Approximately 1500 kids are killed each year by fires in the home that were caused by cigarettes. Why don't we outlaw that? - Robert Scoble

Mike: you pay taxes all the time for that kind of stuff. You ever see a barrier on a roadway? What do you think that is? It's a technology to protect me from idiocy. And it's paid for via a tax. - Robert Scoble

What? I have no dog in this fight? I'll argue what I feel is germane to my personal freedom. You're arguing for unfettered access to private businesses you'll never frequent. What's the difference? - Christopher Harley

Christopher: name one business I wouldn't frequent. - Robert Scoble

Christopher: that kind of argument used to come up about bars. I go into bars regularly. - Robert Scoble

In California bars actually became more popular after the smoking bans began. - Robert Scoble

Robert, do you go skydiving? - Cristo

Why name one? There's thousands that you'll never go to yet you need to be assured that they're ready for your arrival. Smoke free and fully compliant. - Christopher Harley

Cristo: not regularly. But yes, I plan to do that. - Robert Scoble

Robert, it's dangerous. Jumping out of planes, especially alone can be fatal. - Cristo

Christopher: in California every business is smoke free and fully compliant. It's wonderful, because my freedom has greatly increased. They used to allow smoking on planes. - Robert Scoble

So Robert, you are fine with people going to a bar, getting drunk, getting into a small tank, and driving home? Afterall, that's what bars are basically for. - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM

Cristo: exactly. But in that case all you're killing is yourself. - Robert Scoble

Yes, I remember. - Christopher Harley

Robert, but if your chute accidentally deploys in the plane, it can take the whole plane down. - Cristo

Mike: huh? Most people I know when they go to bars have other ways to get home than driving. Drunk driving is illegal in California. - Robert Scoble

Cristo: what lengths are you going to go to to try to make a stupid argument? - Robert Scoble

Whatever side of the debate one is on, what used to pass (25+ years ago) as a non-smoking section (restaurant, plane) was a joke. And of course it was, the expense of truly creating compartments with separate HVAC is too expensive for most businesses to gamble given a market-only driving force. - Micah Wittman

Cristo: I just want to know, so I can gauge how much time I'm gonna spend on this one. - Robert Scoble

19,001 feet, presumably. - Christopher Harley

Micah: exactly. I still travel all the time and visit "non smoking sections." THey are 100% a total joke. - Robert Scoble

Robert.....I'm....I'm at a loss for words. Your ignorance about reality is astonishing. You think a majority of people who go to a bar actually have planned rides home? Stunning...just....*sigh* - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM

Mike: sigh. No, but we have laws against doing that. And quite severe ones at that. Far more severe than a $50 ticket for smoking in California. - Robert Scoble

Christopher, skydivers don't normally jump from more than 19,000 feet. There's an oxygen issue. - Cristo

Robert, I'm going to give you a pass on calling my argument stupid, just because I'm in a good mood tonight. - Cristo

Thanks. I made the necessary edit. - Christopher Harley

Cristo: what are you smoking? :-) - Robert Scoble

Robert, nothing unfortunately. But the wine is pretty good. :) - Cristo

Cristo: ahh, I have to do too much to ship Building43 so no wine for me until Thursday. - Robert Scoble

Well, goodnight everyone. I'm going to enjoy the jacuzzi tub in our partially finished bathroom while the government still allows it. ;) - Cristo

Cristo: goodnight! Don't stay in there too long. Makes your skin all wrinkly. - Robert Scoble

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I wonder if it will push Twitter to more a friendfeed like interface and capabilities. Personally I think twittering is much easier that 'status updates' (I don't think I've ever used that in Facebook rather I just import my twitters) but with the 'masses' of FB users it's certainly a threat. - Andrew Leyden

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I agree it will force Twitter to innovate. I also think it will force Twitter to integrate more with other services - Rob Cairns

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He's a former client scientist too. Interesting guy and this is going to be THE problem of the next few decades for us to solve. - Robert Scoble

Many very well respected scientists come to very different conclusions on--what was called Global Warming, now called Climate Change. Every argument he made has been refuted. IPCC scientists are dissenting, the new computer models he refers to show we should be warming, but we are cooling, and he pulls the old trick of trying to marginalize viewpoints that contradict his own. The ED of Greenpeace should make more convincing arguments. I think you should stick to tech interviews Robert. - Ryan Petty

Ryan: I ask the questions. He says you are wrong. So does Al Gore. So do many other respected scientists here at Davos. - Robert Scoble

Ryan: I just looked at your bio. What makes you such an authority on who is right or wrong? And you are a dickhead for telling me to stick to tech. Why don't you stick to being a dickhead? - Robert Scoble

"why don't you stick to being a dickhead" - That Sir Robert is a fantastic line! - Toby Graham

I agree, Ryan don't be a dickhead. Denial isn't becoming of intelligent men. There is no debate about this among smart people. - Dominic Jones

Ryan, its both global warming and climate change, fast, fierce and furious - time to get off our dicks. - ernie yacub

Robert, ad hominem attacks never add to the credibility of your argument. I find it interesting how quickly you resorted to a personal attack. Your questions were not the issue, passing on propaganda is what I took exception to. I would have hoped to see at least one tough question. You are far more thorough when reporting on tech--that is what I meant. Do you really mean to use Al Gore as evidence? - Ryan Petty

Just blocked my first FF user. Fucking mind pollution, people like that. - Dominic Jones

@Dominic/IRWebReport another example of a liberal (just check his profile) unable to tolerate arguments that don't fit inside the "worldview". It's easier to bury your head in the sand and "block" viewpoints you don't agree with. Really pathetic. - Ryan Petty

We've been lied to by the media and our government many times before. It's reasonable to believe that this may also be a lie. - Mattb4rd

Hmmm.. http://epw.senate.gov/public... - alphaxion

You'll find most intelligent people understand that the climate changes naturally, that we don't even understand 10% of the big climate picture. Strangely they all agree on one thing - humans living unsustainably and in way too many numbers is the REAL problem that is too horriffic to come to terms with a solution. So it's easy to gun for CO2 instead even though average concentrations are historically low when you look at the average over 300 million years (2000 PPM for those that want to know). - alphaxion

To be honest I don't trust any American opinion on Global Warming, especially not NASA. - Toby Graham

Imo the people that are trying to get this on the agenda are pretty lousy marketeers and communicators. Global warming sounds like "nice temperatures on the beach". Carbon Dioxide? No one understands. How about Global Boiling, sounds a lot scarier already? We have some serious issues to resolve here. Better use effective terminology to get people moving! - Alexander van Elsas

and if you don't believe me, research a guy called Robert Giegengack. He's the guy that gave me that 300million year figure. - alphaxion

Global Boiling - i like it! - Toby Graham

@Toby not sure if "like" is the right keyword here ;-) but thks - Alexander van Elsas

We're overdue a super huge earthquake, a super volcano going off and a super meteorite hitting earth. And if you ask me at least one of these before 2013. There I said it. - Toby Graham

I am sitting next to a scientist and he said "I don't care anymore about this argument." He says it is time to invest in finding energy sources that don't put CO2 into the atmosphere. "We spend more on ringtones than on fusion research." - Robert Scoble

@Toby, I don't see the confusion as a marketing failure. First, it was called "Global Warming", until the data showed the climate is cooling. Now it's called "Climate Change". The fact, as I understand it, is we don't know why the climate changes, we can't accurately measure the human impact on climate, but it seems clear that CO2 is not the greenhouse gas it has been reported to be. - Ryan Petty

@Robert, doesn't it concern you when a scientist says that he doesn't care about an argument anymore? Isn't that tantamount to saying, I no longer care about collecting data nor testing my hypothesis--which might lead to the truth? When I hear the head of a radical environmental group assert that CO2 is causing global warming, after so much evidence to the contrary--it makes me curious about their agenda. - Ryan Petty

@Robert couldn't agree more. But if you want to get these kinds of investments you need ' the people" mobilized. Not investing this heavily means the lobby simply has performed poorly. The people that wanted more oil and other garbage have won so far by denial and massive amounts of lobby money spend. Obama rules now in the US, he has the right team, now we need the right lobby to get masses to force their governments to take actions. That is why I think Global Boiling is a better term ;-) - Alexander van Elsas

I think the one point that everyone needs to understand is that we don't need to be sure to justify action. We need to take action in face of the uncertainties. Climate scientists are pretty sure about their predictions (with uncertainty ranges of course), but these are still predictions. Right now, the prediction is that "we'll crash if we don't steer back". I don't know why anyone would gamble with that. - Meryn Stol

it shouldn't be "invest in things that don't pump CO2 in to the air" and should be "invest in technology that is renewable and doesn't cause wider environmental issues". People are promoting geothermal, yet they aren't looking into what issues exist when you tap into the internal heat of the planet on an industrial scale. What would happen if we transferred a large portion of the inner heat and released it into the atmosphere? Would it impact on plate tectonics? - alphaxion

BTW I think I've read about a thousand articles on climate change, covering all sides of the debate. See http://delicious.com/meryn... . Most bookmarks are filed under the last name of the expert mentioned though. My "climatechange" tag does not cover all info atm. - Meryn Stol

@Meryn hear hear ! - Alexander van Elsas

Anyone remember the movie "the Day After Tomorrow"? - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

@meryn, yet there are many extremely respected scientists that are pointing out how flawed those models are. The issue of nearly 7billion humans existing is the grreatest threat to life on the planet, not the natural changing of climate. - alphaxion

I think at the end of the day we're all wanting the same thing, to reduce the human impact on the Earth so that we don't exhaust it. I just think the arguments over CO2 are pointless - you can cut emissions to zero and the real problem will still be there.. Us and our abuse of resources. - alphaxion

Alphaxian, after all my reading (and you can see for yourself that I read lots, and from both sides of the debate), I don't agree with this statement. "there are many extremely respected scientists that are pointing out how flawed those models are. " Do you have any references for this claim? - Meryn Stol

for a start http://epw.senate.gov/public... and checkup on Robert Giegengack.. when I get time I'll pull out a few more - alphaxion

I too think it's THE biggest issue humans are facing right now, bigger than the current economic crisis. This is why I've committed to working with the Earth Hour global team this year to try and help do something about it. As well as scientists, listen to what economists are saying about what we should do, Lord Stern for example: http://au.youtube.com/watch... N.B. technology IS involved - low carbon, clean technology. - jjprojects

Alphaxian, I agree we should lower our resource consumption in general. Water scarcity is a problem as well. Other resources could certainly become scarce in the future. Earth is not infinite. :) - Meryn Stol

I just don't follow the "we spend more on ringtones than fusion" argument. It looks like the global ringtone market was about USD$4 billion in 2007. It looks like fusion research was about USD$1.5 billion. But what consumers spend on ringtones has no bearing or impact on what is spent on fusion research--or any scientific endeavor. Sounds like sour grapes from a scientist that didn't get his research funded. I'm willing to donate the money I would spend on ringtones for the next year to fusion research - Ryan Petty

"I'm willing to donate the money I would spend on ringtones for the next year to fusion research" Ryan, start a movement. :) If all people in the west would make the same pledge, we would have fusion much sooner! - Meryn Stol

Talking about who is right and who is wrong is a simple distraction mechanism that prevents us taking action. Pointless. There are a gazillion smaller and bigger things we can do to make this world a better place. Go stand behind the tailpipe of a DIESEL truck for 10 mins and then tell me if you still think it is a great idea to have this sh*t floating around. - Alexander van Elsas

@Meryn et al. any ideas on how to do this? @Robert, are you still with that scientist? How could we donate? - Ryan Petty

Hands down the best 3 minute synopsis of "human induced" climate change. Excellent interview, Robert! The Greenpeace ultimate goal is to ensure the ability of the Earth to nurture life in all its diversity. That has to include global warming research...for a solution. - Laurel Phelps LaFlamme

@alexander something that I always wonder about, why haven't we picked up the use of mixed pedal/electricity powered light cars? exercise and easy transit of small goods (such as the supermarket trip). For when it's too heavy to move with pedal alone, electricity can step in and provide the grunt, you can pedal at the same time to help generate power for it. - alphaxion

@alphaxion, we have found a better solution for that in here in Holland, it's called a bicycle ;-) - Alexander van Elsas

@alex the problem there is if you have to move something hefty or bulky (but light). I know you can get little tow truck attachments for them. Then there's also the issue of many people like how the car keeps them from the horrors of the weather while travelling... There should be room for both bikes and hybrid bike/electrical car-like vehicles. - alphaxion

Thought: if those climate scientists who believe that global warming is for real are right, and that global warming presents an imminent threat to human civilization, those who propagandized against dealing with CO2 emissions are going to be viewed as the worst, the most destructive, and the most ignorant villains of all time. Just a scenario to contemplate. (One can't help but notice that George W. Bush was the hero of most of the anti-global warming activists.) - Sean McBride

Sean: are you suggesting we radically alter our lifestyles and risk further economic turmoil on a hunch? There isn't even consensus that we can do anything to reverse the damage. GWB may be a "hero" for those skeptical of global warming, but it's just as telling that Al Gore is a hero for those advocating climate change alarmism. - Ryan Petty

I notice that people who advocate this human global warming theory are the same ones who ignore all the recent data showing that GW is being blown way out of proportion. They also fail to mention how politicized even scientists have become which effectively voids their work. And to counter an argument by saying "Al Gore" says so is just funny at the least. He is the biggest profiteer in the scam. - Spencer

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story... - Spencer

sean: interesting how you try to tar dissenting voices with "if you don't believe that CO2 is killing the world then you're a Bush sympathyser!". Please be aware that I'm not denying that the climate is changing - I'm saying that it does this without any input from us and that focusing on CO2 is a total diversion (something a few people are making a lot of money from) to the real issue which is unsustainable human consumption and expansion. - alphaxion

I have said time and time again, you can cut CO2 to zero and still be left with the biggest problem of all. Why on earth do so many people think that the climate we have experienced for such a short period of time represents the level it should be at? The earth is constantly changing, species die out and new ones take their place. Life is change, what is wrong is how we are destroying all of these eco-systems in our rampant hunger for resources and it's that which poses the largest threat to life ever. - alphaxion

The big problem here is that perhaps the biggest single obstacle to environmental progress today is his own group! We have several possible avenues for reliable, clean power: clean coal, fission, fusion - but his lot is actively fighting against two of them and at best neglecting the third! I would love to see us embark on a major investment program building a new generation of fission reactors to replace the current coal and gas power plants - but first, we need Greenpeace and co out of the way. - James

alphaxion -- your thinking strikes me as so skewed. illogical and bizarre on the subject of global warming that I don't even know where to begin to straighten it out. Seriously. You make so little sense that it is impossible to argue with you. - Sean McBride

Sean: I think almost anyone can follow alphaxion's assertions. - Ryan Petty

@ James. My brother-in-law is a geologist who worked for coal for 20 years. He says, they laugh at the oxymoron "clean coal" in their posh offices. The mining, the burning and then the waste from this solid carbon material is never, ever going to be clean. It is just a hoax. People born after Three Mile Island forget the crap that can happen. Homer Simpson is not so funny when... more... - Phil Boiarski

Ryan: O RLY? - Ryo / Fuck Facebook

People who point to the few climate scientists who posit alternate explanations for climate change to the concensus view as if that somehow "proves" the concensus is wrong don't understand how science works. Scientific theories thrive on challenges, because they are always provisional: a better truth is just around the corner. But one thing is certain: Conducting an uncontrolled long-term experiment in dumping multiple gases into the only atmosphere we have is unwise at best, idiotic at worst. - Ian Betteridge

@Phil: Not an "oxymoron", just an exaggeration: it's cleanER than the alternatives - and that's the problem. Rather than back realistic improvements, Greenpeace just have a kneejerk objection to everything. 3MI? You do know the WORST exposure of any member of the public was one third of annual background levels, I hope? - James

And I'll say that again, in case somone missed it. We are conducting an uncontrolled, long-term experiment in changing the composition of the atmosphere by burning pretty-much all the world's trapped fossil carbon in the course of a century or two. Do you think that conducting this experiment when we don't need to do it anymore is a good idea? - Ian Betteridge

@Phil, clean coal isn't "a joke" in that carbon capture is a reasonable idea. The problem is that it adds considerably to the cost of coal (which means coal ends up as close to the price of renewables), and that the tech to do it is unproven and costly. The issue with Greenpeace's stance is that they don't want to build the pilot plants which would let us find out if it's viable tech or not - they believe that renewables + energy conservation is enough. - Ian Betteridge

@alphaxion: "The earth is constantly changing, species die out and new ones take their place." Yes. But do you want your species to die out? I thought not. - Ian Betteridge

Ian: It's hard to say with any certainty--that is the issue. Several times in history CO2 levels have been much higher than they are today. - Ryan Petty

@ian there is no concensus either way - there are still plenty challenging both sides (which is good)... Current CO2 PPM is about 384 after 200 years of slashign and burning. Over the past 300 million years the average is 2000! CO2 just seems like such a distraction from the real damage, which as I have said and you have said is the destruction and pollution. It doesn't matter how much CO2 you pump into the air if you are going around destroying the eco-systems that allow all life to continue! - alphaxion

Finally: Whether you believe in man-made climate change or not, the political and economic case is against continuing to burn up fossil fuels. If you want energy independance, if you want more security, if you don't want to owe the Saudis and Russians, start weaning yourself off the petro-economy. - Ian Betteridge

@ian I agree there - we should be looking at ways of generating our energy in a sustainable way. But the harsh reality is that we cannot live sustainably with 7billion people. A reduction of our numbers on this planet is going to happen, either voluntarily (space colonisation) or forced upon us (natural disasters, humans killing humans). Which is prolly why everyone obsesses over CO2 when it's our numbers that is the hardest and most expensive to solve. - alphaxion

So I take it Mattb4rd and Ryan are not to be convinced. Has anyone moved a nanometer in their opinions on this topic? Has anyone experienced a willingness to un-form opinion or scale it back at all? Is this something we can expect the average person to deal with and learn about? At least this thread was (mostly) civil. - Richard ¿digame? Walker

Ian Betteridge -- thanks for your sane comments in this thread. Some of the folks here, who are regurgitating ExxonMobil, Rush Limbaugh and hate radio talking points, strike me as mad as hatters. They make so little sense that one can't find purchase to argue sensibly with them. - Sean McBride

How is it insane to point out that CO2 levels are irrellevent compared to the damage that 7billion people are doing on a daily basis? That we could move to a zero CO2 way of living but still be destroying eco-systems and ravaging the world? CO2 is such a small component in this whole thing that it should be an after thought. I want clean energy not because of the CO2 but because it means less toxic chemicals and envirnomental destruction to obtain the raw materials. - alphaxion

alphaxion -- do you have any idea how warped and irrational your logic is on this issue? Does the fact that overpopulation is an enormous problem mean that we shouldn't take care with regard to how we dispose of, say, toxic waste from nuclear power plants? Should we dump it in your backyard? Can you walk and chew gum at the same time? - Sean McBride

or is it insane to consider that our sheer numbers isn't an issue and can be easily ignored? Tell that to our rapidly emptying oceans, not because of acidity levels but because we are trawling the contents to feed 7billion mouths without a care as to how the next generation of fish will come along for us to eat. The destruction of insects because we deem them to be pests, yet without them entire recycling systems will stop. - alphaxion

sean: I am talking about the toxicity of our waste.. I'm just pointing out that the obsession with CO2 needs to stop. You're the one linking it to me saying every bit of cleanup needs to stop, I'm advocating we deal with all of our output and our voracious consumption of resources. But our continued expansion will wipe out any effort we make as everyone feels they have the right to consume with impunity. - alphaxion

alphaxion - most smart people I know are capable of thinking about more than one problem at a time. Some of them can think about dozens or hundreds of problems. You're mired down in a false dichotomy. Try to shake your mind free. - Sean McBride

Maybe I'm just not getting this across well enough hence your confusion. - alphaxion

Richard: Why are we the ones in need of convincing? Several folks have posted links to evidence that the case for anthropogenic climate change is far from conclusive. I don't suppose, anyone who thought the case was open and shut, is reconsidering their position? - Ryan Petty

I am not in the least bit confused. I have been concerned about overpopulation and pollution for a long time. I am also concerned about the effects of CO2 on the atmosphere and our planet. I am concerned about many things. This is not an either/or domain. We need to manage many problems simultaneously. - Sean McBride

So you think we can continue to grow our numbers and it won't be an issue? you've not answered this at all. Look at the scale of what I'm talking about - I'm referencing our swallowing up of natural growth for arable farming and the mess of fertilisers and wars against species that eat through our crops, the abuse of the sea, the destruction involved in powering our day to day lives. We are fucking up every single system our planet needs to keep recycling resources. Yet everyone obsesses over CO2. - alphaxion

Oops, I though y'all were done... guess not, my bad, carry on! - Richard ¿digame? Walker

sean: I'm just looking at things and trying to see a prioirty of situations, CO2 output is such a small priority yet it consumes everyones time. CO2 has been much much higher than this. And the irony of the situation is that if we simply concentrated on sorting out the other dispirate and more pressing issues, the CO2 problem will then correct itself. Since we'll have cleaner technologies that don't emmit CO2, that don't require environmental destruction to keep running. - alphaxion

Robert: careful trying to stifle conversation around here. You are likely to be called some awful things :). - Ryan Petty

alphaxion -- I don't know how many times I have to say that I think overpopulation is an immense problem. We need to reduce population, reduce CO2 emissions, and handle many other problems as well. But I honestly think the human race as a whole is too dense to protect its own interests. Nature will have no problem in taking care of business for us, especially on the population front. - Sean McBride

These arguments will go on and on. The fact is those who are making money hand over fist don't want to give up their franchises. They want to lull the public with PR about how they care, and how they are investing in alternatives and experimenting with carbon capture, but then they want to keep doing what they do. I lost several relatives to "black lung," so I understand the fact that corporations hold the sacredness of profits higher than the sanctity of life. - Phil Boiarski

Phil -- an eloquent summation of the core problem: short-sighted human greed. - Sean McBride

Phil: and what of Mr. Gore's commercial interests? Others? Following the money works both ways. - Ryan Petty

Traits/positions often closely associated with global warming denial: Ann Coulter+ Christian fundamentalists+ creationism+ Dick Cheney+ Fox News+ George W. Bush+ Iran War+ Iraq War+ Islamophobia+ Likud+ neoconservatives+ pro-Israel militancy+ Rush Limbaugh+ torture+. Not always, of course. But enough to be noticeable. The track record on getting things right from this know-nothing political sector has not been impressive. - Sean McBride

@Ryan You can't compare sitting on the board of Apple and Current TV to knocking the tops off of mountains and turning the rivers orange for a few tons of dirty coal. Look at the forrest, man. Acid rain is falling and whole ecosystems are dying. Pull your head out of your rectum. - Phil Boiarski

Or out of Rush Limbaugh's rectum. :) Now there is a towering intellect and leading climate scientist, exceeded in brilliance only by Ann Coulter. - Sean McBride

that's just it tho, I'm not denying climate change - I understand that it happens naturally. I also agree that we are having some effect on it, sadly we don't understand the system enough to tell just what that effect is. But I can see we are shitting in our own bed, and I even mentioned further up in this thread that it was because of greed. We both want the same thing, I just don't think the current mantra of "it's the CO2, stupid" is correct. Yet I'm attacked when I try to say that it's our wider actions - alphaxion

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Phil: How about personally profiting from carbon credit scams? Mr. Gore uses CurrentTV (and a willing media) as a platform to spread his message to directly increase his wealth. Sean: Why do you insist on personal attacks. I don't suppose you care that many renowned scientists question anthropogenic climate change. Surprising no. Sad, yes. - Ryan Petty

Phil, a suggestion: I don't think you are bringing abortion into this argument, so I would suggest words other than "sacredness" and "sanctity of life". Just trying to avoid the holy land mines :-) - Richard ¿digame? Walker

Ryan -- the last I checked, the climate science community was overwhelmingly concerned about human-caused climate change, and about CO2 emissions in particular. Tell us: are you in fact a Rush Limbaugh fan? Have you listened to his show much? - Sean McBride

@alphaxion, many of these comments were not attacks. Ryan Petty got most of the heat because he seemed to just parrot guano. As for profiting from a carbon swap, first companies will only change for profit. Second, we all profit if we can breathe. @ Richard. One man's sacred is another's profane. When anti-abortionists start fighting against Capital Punishment, I will respect that. I... more... - Phil Boiarski

Sean: I do listen to Rush's show on occasion. It is on during the time I work, so it is difficult to catch it regularly. I agree most climate scientists appear to be concerned about climate change and human impacts on global climate. However, there are a growing number of skeptics and compelling arguments against. Couple that with the profiteering on the part of the extremists/alarmists and I believe there is more than enough evidence for reasonable doubt. - Ryan Petty

Ryan -- I give you credit for composing a civil and relatively reasonable reply. I agree that the science of climate change needs to be vigorously debated and reality-checked day by day. For the time being, it seems reasonable to play the odds and pay close attention to the consensus view within the climate science community. - Sean McBride

Sean the problem is there is less and less consensus within the scientific community on a daily basis. Reasonable doubt on this subject is a reasonable stance. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

@phil some of them were attacks, such as seans out of order "can you chew gum and walk at the same time". Dispite the fact that I have talked to some people about this subject (I've had an email convo with Robert Giegengack for example) and it's far from a concensus beyond "the climate is changing". No agreement that we are the cause. I hope you can see that I am advocating change because we are damaging the world massively, I just don't agree with the reasoning people give as the main cause (CO2). - alphaxion

Mark -- one may have reasonable doubt about an issue, but if the issue represents a sufficiently high threat level, one takes reasonable precautions, just in case. When many leading scientists report that current levels of CO2 emissions could lead to the collapse of human civilization as we know it, perhaps we shouldn't just wait around passively to see what happens. - Sean McBride

Sean -- thank you, I know we don't often agree politically. I jumped into this thread simply because I didn't want everyone to blindly accept there is an open and shut case--that was my initial objection. I should have ended my first post differently so to make that point more clear. - Ryan Petty

Ryan -- I believe in strongly intellectually challenging everything, so if you want to go after the Gore camp with strong science from reputable scientists, go for it. Let the best science win. - Sean McBride

Sean -- there was a great link already posted epw.senate.gov. If you are interested, I would start by reading the materials therein. - Ryan Petty

Wow, phil, you leaped over that gaping rabbit hole with remarkable grace! - Richard ¿digame? Walker

Update: After apologizing to Robert (offline) for suggesting that he stick to tech interviews, he refuses to change his view of me :). As a blogger who relies on building and maintaining an audience he should know better than to insult them with foul language. - Ryan Petty

Robert's refusal to recognize the significant debate within the scientific community over anthropogenic climate change, should give anyone pause about the opinions he puts out. He may be comfortable propagandizing for the radical environmental movement, I'll call it being a tool. - Ryan Petty

Oh big deal get a life buckwheat, green peace should be put on a terrorist list, and im sure in the near future it will be, as for earth hour what a crock of acclamation crap, hope you all line up first for population reduction which is the end result again in the not to distant future - yeah right

Ryan, please, you are wasting your time here. Unreasonable minds will never reach a reasonable conclusion, unless, of course, by pure, unlikely accident or chance. - Boverdine

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Al Gore says the US should take leadership in Climate Change. We need an agreement in Copenhagen for a synchronized global stimulus.

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New policy on interviews - http://www.scripting.com/stories...

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Obama streaming comparision: CBS Best Inauguration Video Quality, Hulu, C-SPAN The Worst, Others Not Loading - http://blog.streamingmedia.com/the_bus...

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Scientific evidence becomes politically fashionable again | Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the Earth | The Economist - http://www.economist.com/science...

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"Barack Obama is making good his promise to welcome scientists into his administration. ONE of the stranger beliefs of some politicians is that if they treat nature like a troublesome opponent and ignore it, it might go away and stop bothering them. In the opinion of many scientists George Bush, America’s retiring president, was just such a politician. It would be one thing, for example, to argue that it is too expensive to stop climate change and that adapting to such change is a better course of action. It is quite another, as White House officials have done in the past, to describe climate change as a liberal cause without merit." - David Orban from Bookmarklet

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Spot sull'ateismo, anche a Genova i bus che promuovono l'inesistenza di dio - cronaca - Repubblica.it - http://www.repubblica.it/2009...

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""LA CATTIVA notizia è che Dio non esiste. Quella buona è che non ne hai bisogno"" - David Orban from Bookmarklet

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a cosa serve spendere soldi per questo? - Maurizio Goetz

no sul serio cui prodest? - Maurizio Goetz

E' fantastica, si! Molto british. :D - Dario Salvelli

Giovanni, hai ragione. Però mi sono anche rotto i santissimi (appunto), di sentire aprire i telegiornali con gli INUTILI commenti del papa i quali, per chi è convinto, sono... cosa? (inutili così come lo è quella campagna, appunto, solo dichiaratamente provocatoria). E scusate se due "appunto" sono pochi :) - Claudio Cicali ♋

Si Giovanni dicevo l'idea! ;) - Dario Salvelli

Dario, come giustamente scriveva Ilaria, messa così sembra una campagna di reclutamento e proselitismo. - Annarella G.

Giovanni, ottieni pubblicità. Se ci fai caso l'UAAR è molto più aggressiva, ultimamente (un annetto) e tanti che non la conoscevano... qui in italia se ne può fare tranquillamente una lotta di "diritto civile", visto il tempo che corre (e, appunto, CEI & Co. che fanno bellamente politica). Io comunque rimango sulla mia posizione di "ateismo intimista". Per ora.. - Claudio Cicali ♋

Claudio nel momento in l'ateismo diviene militante, diviene una religione come tutte le altre. Quindi ? - Annarella G.

Annarella, ci devo un attimo riflettere, sulla tua affermazione. Ma io, come dico spesso, preferisco dare agli altri di "credenti" che a me di "ateo". Per il cui il problema non si pone. Il problema si pone quanto, come accennavo prima, la faccenda diventa politica... allora è meglio essere un gruppo pensante e non tanti cani sciolti che offendono il papa. - Claudio Cicali ♋

Roldano, non ho dati alla mano, ma credo sia assai più facile convertirsi da una o nessuna religione ad un'altra, piuttosto che diventare atei. "Combattere" per far diventare atei mi sembra quasi stupido, ti dirò. A me sarebbe sufficiente che LORO non mi rompessero i coglioni, poi se vogliono andare alle 7 alla messa, facciano pure! - Claudio Cicali ♋

Ronaldo nel momento in cui nascono un proselitismo ateo ed una battaglia atea, l'ateismo diviene l'ennesima religione assolutista. Cosa che storicamente c'è già stata - Annarella G.

Io sono diventato agnostico. E senza pubblicità, e dopo essermi anche cresimato. - Dario Salvelli

/set newsgroup mode on - Ok Roldano, torniamo al tema: "nel momento in cui nascono un proselitismo ateo ed una battaglia atea, l'ateismo diviene l'ennesima religione assolutista. Cosa che storicamente c'è già stata" /set newsgroup mode off - Annarella G.

Chiariamo che la questione di Gaza tutto a a che fare tranne che con un principio religioso. In Italia non abbiamo scazzi religiosi mi risulta. Abbiamo ingerenze, il che è diverso. E tu pensi che con un'asserzione assoluta, si risolva in qualche maniera il problema dell'ingerenza ? - Annarella G.

annarella, la tua definizione di religione (nella quale evidentemente rientra l'ateismo) dev'essere abbastanza bizzarra. oddio, non riesco ad immaginarmela, quindi non dovrei dirlo. ma di certo è una definizione molto personale. - paolo beneforti

Roldano si sono ingerenze nella vita civile e laica di un paese. Non stiamo parlando di gente che si sgozza o che s'ammazza. Stiamo parlando di imposizione di scelte - Annarella G.

Entro un'ora da quando l'articolo è apparso sul sito della Repubblica ci sono state 11 nuove adesioni online all'UAAR e 24 nuove donazioni. - David Orban

Paolo dimmi la tua definizione di "religione". Per me nel momento in cui l'ateismo diviene una credenza assoluta e dogmatica con tanto di proselitismo, come nel caso di cui si discute, parlo di religione - Annarella G.

secondo la tua definizione, tutte le affermazioni di cui uno è convinto (tipo "il cielo è azzurro" o "gli extracomunitari sono pericolosi") sono religioni. (la mia definizione di una parola, quando la uso per parlare con gli altri, è quella del dizionario). dire che l'ateismo è una religione è, nella migliore delle ipotesi, una provocazione. - paolo beneforti

nel momento in cui assume "dio non esiste" come atto di fede indimostrabile, precisamente al pari dell'asserzione contraria, diventa - anche a mio avviso - qualcosa di simile a una religione. la mia definizione operativa di religione sarebbe qualcosa tipo: sistema di pensiero basato su asserzioni non verificabili ma difese come verità assolute. avere o non avere riti e cerimonie non c'entra niente. - Ilaria K

Paolo è sottinteso che parliamo di credenze attinenti al metafisico. Right ? - Annarella G.

ilaria: la tua definizione operativa di religione sarà bene che tu la dichiari prima di usare quella parola, poiché non è quella condivisa. ^^ - paolo beneforti

che il cielo sia azzurro può dimostrarlo la scienza; che certe fasce sociali siano pericolose possiamo parlarne dati alla mano. ma che dio non esista, è indimostrabile allo stato attuale delle nostre conoscenze, spero vivamente che la situazione cambi in futuro. Io poi come ho detto sono eticamente atea, cioè sono sicura che dio non esista, ma non me la sento di affermarlo in un contesto scientifico perché non è più dimostrabile del suo contrario. - Ilaria K

annarella: metafisica. ok. quindi non credere ai fantasmi è una religione? non credere al grande spaghetto volante pure? non credere all'astrologia o al mago Otelma idem? - paolo beneforti

paolo, ora sono confusa. quale sarebbe la definizione condivisa di religione? qualcosa a che fare con chiese e incenso, per caso? mi pare piuttosto condiviso e condivisibile che una religione sia un insieme di dogmi, no? - Ilaria K

Consigliatissimo a questo proposito "Small Gods" del sempiterno Terry Pratchett. Il passo sull'adorare i tavoli è sublime :) - Federico Bolsoman

paolo: "non credere al grande spaghetto volante" non è una religione, no. Ma pretendere di dimostrarmi scientificamente che lo spaghettone non esiste è dogma, quindi, nel senso lato di Annarella che un po' è anche mio, è "religione". - Ilaria K

no, una religione NON è un insieme di dogmi. non senza che ci sia un rapporto con il *sacro*, una professione di fede e un insieme di rituali e norme di comportamento desunte da quei dogmi. - paolo beneforti

quindi, paolo, non può esistere una religione personale scissa dalle religioni organizzate? mah. @roldano, mai sentito parlare di falsificabilità? http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki... Altro che fine della discussione... Ti rispondo con la tua stessa moneta: il fatto che il mondo sia nato senza l'intervento di un dio non è dimostrabile con un esperimento. Quindi? - Ilaria K

annare', se l'ateo fosse colui che produce dimostrazioni scientifiche della non esistenza di Dio, come potrebbe essere membro di una religione? a meno che anche il metodo scientifico non sia una religione. - paolo beneforti

ilaria, se uno la definisse in termini di rapporto col sacro, rituali e norme, la sua religione personale, sarebbe senz'altro una religione. - paolo beneforti

La cattiva notizia è che Berlusconi esiste. Quella buona è che non ne hai bisogno. Vedi di regolarti di conseguenza - Mucio

roldano, ti prego, prima di parlare studia. io ora prego qualche scienziato di spiegare a roldano il metodo scientifico moderno, perchè io evidentemente non ci sto riuscendo. @paolo: i rituali e il culto sono un aspetto sociale della religione, mentre io parlavo di una religione ipotetica con un solo adepto; e le norme sono un'etica religiosa, che viene dopo i dogmi ed è generata da... more... - Ilaria K

roldano, senti, facciamola semplice: se io NON sento fiorello alla radio, per un numero X (elevato ma finito) di tentativi, allora è una prova della NON esistenza delle onde radio? sarà roba morta da un secolo, ma... edit: appunto, la falsificabilità è convenzione condivisa da decenni. serve a capire quando una teoria si rivela sbagliata. - Ilaria K

no, direi che credere in un olimpo di dèi senza che ciò abbia alcuna influenza nella vita del credente non è una religione. per esempio, se io credo che nei boschi d'irlanda esistano i leprechaun e le fate, ma non ho niente a che fare con essi, questa mia credenza *non* è una religione. in una religione la divinità è l'incarnazione del sacro, e come tale pretende venerazione. - paolo beneforti

Ma dovete discutere di cose interessantissime proprio quando non ci sto con la testa? Poi va a finire che mi rileggo il thread fra tre giorni quando sarete tutti dispersi a parlare dim che so, autoreferenzialità :) - Federico Bolsoman

roldano pensala come meglio credi, ma noto che non hai ancora risposto alla mia domanda sulle onde radio e l'induzione. pazienza. ps. il link non va. Paolo: ok, allora quella è la tua idea di religione, che implica un'etica, ma non so quanto sia più diffusa e condivisa della mia. - Ilaria K

ilaria: leggi un dizionario! magari diversi dizionari, se preferisci. ^^ - paolo beneforti

comunque la sostanza è che non esiste un "ateismo" uniformato e attestato, e questo basterebbe a rendere insensato parlare di religione. - paolo beneforti

ok ok, il mio è un significato esteso del termine, lo ammetto, comunque io ero intervenuta per sostenere la posizione di annarella, che non mi pare tanto campata in aria: riformuliamola così: l'ateismo rischia di diventare dogmatico (="religioso") se si discosta dal metodo scientifico e dà per certe cose che non può dimostrare. E meno male che dopo il post di oggi non volevo più intervenire sulla questione. :D - Ilaria K

abbiamo capito che roldano ha in antipatia i filosofi, e che, gentilianamente, considera scienza e filosofia due campi di studio e due metodi inconciliabili; posizione che mi sembrava superata da decenni, ma tant'è. - Ilaria K

Intanto, al CERN e altrove stanno ancora cercando il bosone di Higgs, e si preparano all'idea che tutte le teorie possano crollare. Questo è il bello della scienza, altro che i noiosi dogmi sempre veri nei secoli dei secoli :D - Ilaria K

sì, so come funziona la peer review, grazie :) però siamo daccapo: che il mondo sia nato senza intervento divino non è dimostrabile, quindi se sei uno scienziato non lo puoi dare per certo. su questo siamo d'accordo? poi non so cosa intendi tu per "discorsi filosofici", sei mai stato in un dipartimento di epistemologia? io sì. - Ilaria K

(io comunque non mi capacito ancora di esser finita a difendere le ragioni dei non-atei, io che sono la persona più violentemente atea di mia conoscenza. il mio spirito dialettico ha la meglio persino sull'ateismo, evidentemente.) - Ilaria K

A me invece piace il modo non british e non laico di affrontare la cosa. Mi piace lo scontro duro, l'affrontare i religiosi sul loro stesso piano. Era l'ora. Bisognerebbe essere persino più aggressivi. Propaganda contro propaganda. Far sapere che i loro mezzi li sanno usare anche gli atei laicisti distruttori del mondo. E comunque a me il termine ateo non piace. E' costituito da un'alfa... more... - Hardcore Judas

Il problema, comunque, non e' se Dio esista o non esista. il problema e' l'ingerenza del CLERO (sia quello cattolico in italia, ma cosi' quello musulmano nei paesi arabi, etc...) nelle questioni politiche, e le sue "forzature" di interpretazione. - Daniele Muscetta

Leggendo questa discussione mi vengono in mente solo due cose. 1/ La ripeto spesso, ed è quella che nessuno dovrebbe imporre niente a nessun altro, e nessuno dovrebbe tentare di fare proselitismo in alcun senso. 2/ Ci sono parecchi commenti qui che approcciano il concetto di religione dal puro punto di vista scientifico-matematico, senza tentare di comprendere il motivo primo per cui la religione esiste, che è una formalizzazione dogmatica di una "necessità" umana al metafisico. - Folletto Malefico

(continua) Non si può quindi a mio avviso affrontare l'argomento religione da un singolo punto di vista, è necessario almeno introdurre nel ragionamento le motivazioni umane ed emotive dietro alla sua stessa esistenza, risalendo in ambiti come antropologia, filosofia, metafisica, storia. La "dimostrabilità" una volta affrontati questi argomenti esiste ma diventa quasi marginale. :) - Folletto Malefico

ovvio che la dimostrabilità non sia la cosa fondamentale, ma noi al momento stavamo parlando di quella. @Roldano (che continua bellamente a non rispondere alle mie domande): "probabile" e "credibile" non c'entrano nulla con il nostro discorso. mi ripeto per l'ennesima volta: io ritengo *estremamente improbabile* l'esistenza di dio, e *spero* non esista, ma non credo sia il caso di affermare con certezza ciò che non posso dimostrare in laboratorio. - Ilaria K

Mi sono appena iscritto online all'UAAR. - ubu

ho la sensazione che si faccia ancora parecchia confusione tra l'essere ateo e l'essere agnostico - adlimina

... il papa, che rilascia dichiarazioni a spron battuto, ed i media, che ne riportano anche gli scaracchi, in realtà lo fanno perchè amano la blogosfera e sanno che, se così non facessero, molti blogger non saprebbero su cosa, infervorati, scrivere... - sapu

più che altro si pensa spesso che l'agnosticismo sia una soluzione "di comodo", un tenere il piede in due scarpe. Io, agnostica in sede teorica e atea in sede morale, a questo punto dovrei rinnovare la mia tessera dell'Uaar, e francamente non so cosa fare. - Ilaria K

ilaria: io Roldano l'ho bloccato da tempo, dato che è un lamer. - paolo beneforti

nelle effettive convinzioni dei singoli, la differenza tra agnosticismo e ateismo non è così netta (un razionalista non può che essere agnostico, per dire; e tuttavia ritenersi ateo). il fatto è che certo ateismo "militante", tipo UAAR, deriva solo dall'invadenza dei credenti, che sono la stragrande maggioranza, sia in occidente che nel mondo. - paolo beneforti

Certamente, non rispondevo a qualcuno di preciso. Amplio il discorso precedente: non ritengo si possa discutere di dimostrabilità perché la dimostrabilità non è un terreno comune di dialogo, tutto qui. Si può discutere se c'è un terreno comune, non se non si accettano a-priori le tesi altrui. Perché accanirsi sulla dimostrabilità quando ci sono altri terreni in cui il dialogo potrebbe svolgersi con maggiore tranquillità? - Tra parentesi, @Roldano se è per quello ha scritto anche che Buddha era un dio... :P - Folletto Malefico

Ehi, è solo pubblicità! - MirkoCetrangolo

La necessità dell'approccio apparentemente nuovo, sorprendente, attivo, provocatorio della pubblicità dell'ateismo è esso stesso un sintomo. Il sintomo di un mondo—con problemi globali, le sfide del futuro con cui l'umanità dovrà confrontarsi e a cui dovrà imparare ad adattarsi—un mondo che oggi è nella quasi totalità dei casi è governato in modo ideologico. Questa può essere un'ideologia anche "solo" politica qualche volta. Spesso è una ideologia dogmatica di sfondo religioso. - David Orban

Non possiamo permetterci più di definire che cos'è il nostro programma per il futuro alla base di comportamenti e sistemi di pensiero che rendevano culturalmente adatti i gruppi tribali di due-tremila anni fa. - David Orban

@MacGiorgia ci sono persone che non essendo credenti pensano comunque di essere soli o tra i pochi a pensarlo così. Una persona quando ha sentito del bus ha chiesto "Ma non è illegale?" C'è molto bisogno di parlare di razionalità e di confrontare le pratiche della fede. Hai idee più divertenti o produttive? E' il momento di tirarle fuori! :) - David Orban

Non ho letto tutti i commenti, ma provo a buttare giù due righe. Come dicevo prima, è semplicemente pubblicità. E, diciamocelo, non vuole certo convincere il Cardinale Tettamanzi o la Sciura Maria a spezzare la croce in due. La comunicazione funziona, se è vero che solo oggi hanno avuto un aumento di adesioni e offerte libere. Funziona, e questi 100 commenti non ne sono che una prova. Che ci sia o meno il probabilmente, fa nulla. Anzi, la head risulta più forte. Meglio così. - MirkoCetrangolo

Ottima iniziativa, avranno il mio supporto. - Opensource Obscure

@MacGiorgia Un credente oggi mi diceva che secondo lui i cattolici italiani sono il 10% della popolazione. Gli altri sono ipocriti. - David Orban

MacGiorgia - :) No, non mi riferivo a te, non si riferiva a te. Io non conosco la religione cattolica abbastanza, ma penso che intendesse che il modo in cui *non* viene praticato da quelli che appartengono alle statistiche ufficiali è tutto fuorché fede. - David Orban

Luca Mascaro

10 Futuristic User Interfaces | Inspiration | Smashing Magazine - http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008...

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Locus Online Features: Cory Doctorow: Writing in the Age of Distraction - http://www.locusmag.com/Feature...

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Fantastically practical and important advice for any type of writing..."We know that our readers are distracted and sometimes even overwhelmed by the myriad distractions that lie one click away on the Internet, but of course writers face the same glorious problem: the delirious world of information and communication and community that lurks behind your screen, one alt-tab away from your word-processor." - David Orban from Bookmarklet

Robert Scoble

Interesting blog about what's wrong with friendfeed's interface - http://bokardo.com/archive...

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Joshua Porter does an awesome job here of explaining what's wrong with friendfeed's UI. - Robert Scoble from Bookmarklet

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I disagree with almost every one of those suggestions. [edit] I'd prefer more, not less on the page. This person doesn't use hide much I guess. Likes allow me to find other people, white space is always appreciated and comments are value added. Again, don't like a title, hide it. It's just not that hard. - AJ Kohn

AJ: why? - Robert Scoble

Friends of friends represent huge potential value. I think getting rid of that mechanic would be a big mistake. Placing less emphasis on it than primary relationships makes sense. - Patrick Pushor

The interface I never knew I wanted - but I totally do. Some really great points in there. - Shawn Farner

+1 AJ. The first suggestion might be valid but others... no, no and no. - Tapio Kulmala

@Robert: I'd be okay with the ability to select how many items showed up on the page (default to 5 for newbies), but forcing it at 5. No thanks. I prefer scrolling to clicking by page, particularly with the speed in which things change on FF. White space is necessary to ensure you CAN scan the page. And comments is where the gold is. This interface would essentially reduce it to a one line Title interface, right? - AJ Kohn

+1 AJ The reason more lines are shown as well as people you don't "know" is to help you discover more people, more feeds, and more content. - Lindsey is Fierce!

GreaseMonkey does have a script that allows you to filter by content, so I think that is a great idea to already have it in FF. However, the other three opinions, I don't agree with, like the others. You don't care if someone you don't know liked something? The great thing about "Like" is that people that is subscribed to this person can view your content, so you get more exposure. Why wouldn't you want this? - Shevonne

I'm all for compressing more content into the scarce vertical space. I run FF in Firefox using almost all of the 1200 vertical pixels of my monitor, and it's still not enough. But there is a difference between times when you want discovery and times when you want efficiency, I'd find ways to improve the set up for both MOs. - LogEx

If they had everything in a single line, the vertical scrolling would be ridiculous. Maybe FF can have an option for people to hide comments, and click a link to show them, if they prefer. Maybe something similar to the WP FriendFeed plugin. - Shevonne

As somebody in the article comments already posted, you can already turn off friend of friend opinions. Maybe that option needs to be easier to find but I agree with all, keep it on by default. - Patrick Pushor

It appears he wants to use FF primarily as a news/info feed from select people with no commentary. I thought part of the allure off FF was the social commentary. And it always annoys me when people are so dismissive about seeing stuff from people other than the ones they've personally selected. Seems rather snooty. - ronin

I do disagree on de-emphasizing the people though, it is FriendFeed after all. I like to be able to easily see who made the post, via what service, the title, and a quick scan of the metadata. - LogEx

@saeba Bang on. FF is all about the commentary. Any competing service can build an aggregator. - Patrick Pushor

saeba - snooty? I see it as a headache bypass. There are some people that are a huge pain in the head to read on a regular basis and are out there posting as much as possible. I personally do not want to subject my head to that. Snooty, not at all. - Renee Hendricks

Most of the things he doesn't like are things that make FF good. For example, showing a few comments can generate interest in the entry even if the title is uninteresting. Finding new people partially comes from being able to see the full list of who liked the entry. I have to agree with the weighting problem though, I complained about that the first week. - xero

Interesting observations, although I don't feel there's any major problems with the FriendFeed UI. Although that's just my 2p. - Tyson Key

@TK There are definitely problems with the UI. As a web savvy individual the first time I experienced FF I didn't get it. That shouldn't be. However, I am not versed enough in UI design to suggest much else. - Patrick Pushor

"Randomness helps us discover. It can create interest. It can lead to intent." http://friendfeed.com/e... - AJ Kohn

@Susanne Isn't that what hide is for? - ronin

saeba - I was just commenting on the "snooty" part. I'm very low on the "read me I'm popular" end of things and yet I find it necessary to hide a lot of Friends of stuff. Does it make me snooty? Hardly. Makes me headache free :D But, yes, that's what hide is for. - Renee Hendricks

This from a guy that seemingly has never commented on any post other than his own and has made no (or few) direct FF posts. I somehow think he is missing something in the credibility department. - Brian Sullivan

site is down. I didn't do it. - Josh Haley

Went to read post and got this message "Error establishing a database connection". Worked when pressing Gray's links below. - B2B Specialist

Sure, FF could (and will) make some improvements, but it's a pretty darn good UI as it is. I was slow to use Twitter and still don't that much. I never used traditional social sites that much, but "got" FF right away. Compared to any other social aggregation and discussion service, the FF UI is an order of magnitude better. - LogEx

Every suggestion is bunk -- this is clearly not a serious user. Friend names *should* be the top item (this is, ahem, friend-feed). I do care who likes what -- I get to know people that way. A single line entry would be Google Reader -- thanks, I already have that option. Finally, if a title doesn't intrigue me, very often the comments do. +1 saeba, +1 xero - Christopher Galtenberg

I really like the fact that FF shows you who liked what. If pure scannability is what you are after then just read FF from an RSS reader. - barce

I have to say that I agree with a lot of what's already been said here about that article sounding like it came from someone that's not spent too much time in FF. I'll be honest and say that I have "friend of friend" off, and that it took me a while to realize how to do that. I think FF is great and a powerhouse of information if you know how to use it. Lets not remove that power to... more... - Matthew J Hendrickse

What barce said +1. Scanability is *not* the point of the main page. Social engagement is. - Christopher Galtenberg

OK, link works now, and now I can comment on it. Mr. Porter, FriendFeed is not a feed reader. It allows the import of a bunch of feeds and could be used that way, but as you point out, the interface is not designed with that in mind foremost. The killer app of FriendFeed is that it is a centralized, customizable place to have conversations about almost any content. Trying to make FriendFeed like Google Reader (my assumption based on your post) will change the dynamic of what I believe is this killer app. - Josh Haley

There are two major problems with Implementing his suggestions 1. Cluttered screen. 2. Increased need for mouse clicks to get to content. It should be go through serious testing before knowing which approach will give a better experience. - Amit Morson

While I don't care for his suggestions personally, when I couple his ideas with Louis Gray's "Lite" idea, I think he's really on to something. If you want to go the "Lite" route, keep the initial interface as simple as possible, then let the user discover all of the features of the FriendFeed we know and love. Oh, you can see who liked this item? And you can see comments? And you can see things from friends of friends? Joshua is NOT using FriendFeed incorrectly; he's using it the way he wants to use it. - Ontario Emperor

title here should read: "Uninteresting blog about what's right with friendfeed's interface". Sorry, Robert stop pumping links simply because you were mentioned in it. AJ nailed it in the second comment. Up next for this thread, what the author of this blog should learn to do on FF. HIDE. - Carlos Ayala

This would be a cool little tweak - make links open in a 'new' tab. - Jim Mitchem

I've solved most of the problems Joshua mentions by processing Friendfeed friend, room, list and search feeds through Google Reader. And I can absolutely guaranteee you that, using the GR interface, I can run circles around anyone using the FF interface in terms of grokking all the new FF activity in the areas of greatest interest to me (or any areas). Lightning-fast scanning and... more... - Sean McBride

Carlos, let's say that you put me behind the wheel of a NASCAR race car. Before I can drive the thing, I have to make a number of changes to the car to simplify it - "hide" this control, "hide" that control, etc. For newbie car drivers like me, why not come up with a model that's like a Honda Accord? If people insist that I'm using the NASCAR car incorrectly, then I'm not going to drive it at all - which is why more people use Twitter than FriendFeed. The firehose is not for everyone. - Ontario Emperor

Sean, could you post a screenshot of your FriendFeed/GReader-based scanning solution? - Ontario Emperor

OE makes a good point and an good analogy. How many of us circle the block in our cars for days, stopping every other time around to change the suspension settings? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

From a user interface standpoint, hiding items strikes me as extremely wrong. Not smart. Not efficient. I want to see the information that is most valuable to me with the least possible effort. - Sean McBride

I wouldn't want a bunch of line items as if I'm reading email. I like seeing the comments and who has liked it. That is what makes me give an item with maybe a boring title another chance. One thing I would like is if my or my friends comments stood out a little better. - Yolanda

Ontario: a single screenshot wouldn't capture my Google Reader view on Friendfeed. Anyone here can try this simple experiment: create a Friendfeed folder in GR, and add a few FF friend, room, list and search feeds. Be sure to include feeds for FriendFeedLinks, FFholic Most Discussed and Best of Day. You'll be able to rip through hundreds of items with the greatest of speed and... more... - Sean McBride

Sean, assuming the interface isn't omniscient, wouldn't the bare-bones case require you to add sources of information? And isn't that something users would be much less likely to do than Hide? I think the hide-based paradigm, while counter-intuitive, is more likely to lead to the success which is having just the right amount of feeds. - Christopher Galtenberg

+1 Barce - yeah if the guy wants an RSS-feed pure list of his friends' content, just pull his feed it into Google Reader via RSS... then he can scan headlines all he wants, and he doesn't have to care about likes or comments... - Nathan Chase

Christopher - you are correct that it takes a bit of effort to add FF feeds to GR, and probably requires more skill with feed management than most net users possess. We need a slick interface to expedite the process. But try this: go to Best of Day http://friendfeed.com/summary... and click on the RSS icon in the address bar. If you are already a GR user, you will be served up a... more... - Sean McBride

I discovered this post through GR, by the way. - Sean McBride

I also use a Twitter folder in FF to cut through all the noise. From my bird's-eye view, FF and Twitter are just bundles of easily manipulable feeds. - Sean McBride

Sean, that's actually a pretty brilliant idea, cause I always forget to check the "best of the day", so it would make for a good "news feed" to check, since most of the posts are important news/articles, or at the very least, important memes/social conversations among FF users - Nathan Chase

Nathan: in my FF folder in GR I place FriendFeedLinks in the number one slot; FFholic Most Discussed in the second slot; and Best of Day in the third slot. It takes me less than five minutes a day to identify the most important new posts on FF as a whole. If I were unable to create this interface, I wouldn't bother using FF at all -- it would be a serious waste of time. - Sean McBride

Sean: I'm subscribing to you based purely on my respect for your l33t news-reading skillz - Nathan Chase

Wait a sec. Only 5 entries on the page? No way. I want more than now. I haven't got a problem with long lists. >100 entries on a page would be cool for me. I hate switching pages. - Ryo / Fuck Facebook

More: I find the posts of certain FF users to be exceptionally valuable, like Anthony Citrano, Meryn Stoll, Paul Buchheit and Louis Gray. From my GR view, I can quickly see that user X has posted *number new posts. I can then click on a user's feed, scan the headings of all their new posts, and zoom in on the posts that strike me as most interesting. Viewing all their items as a single list/group gives me a much better conceptual understanding of their posts, without wading through torrents of noise. - Sean McBride

More: my FF and Twitter folders in GR are nicely integrated with many other folders, all of which are prioritized by importance. I manage all these feeds under a single interface. My lead folder is Top 10 Feeds, and includes BreakingNewsOn, CNET News, FriendFeedLinks, Lifehacker, NYT - Breaking News, NYT - Technology, Slashdot, Yahoo! News: Mideast Conflict, Yahoo! News: Technology and Yahoo! News: Top Stories. - Sean McBride

Sean - I'll bet your desk is clean too. - Scott Maentz

Nathan - I've been strongly interested in optimizing my news-reading flow for several years now. This current setup that I've described is the best method for news reading I've discovered to date. - Sean McBride

Scott - minimizing to the max, getting rid of clutter, streamlining, more bang for the buck, etc. is almost a religion for me. :) That is why I fell in love with the Google aesthetic from the first week that Google was released to the world. - Sean McBride

Gabe - if I am in the middle of a hot discussion on FF, I simply click on http://friendfeed.com/seanmcb... to read and respond to the latest comments in near real time. But 95% of the really valuable posts on FF are captured in GR soon enough. - Sean McBride

Sean - More power to you! I also love Google products and use them as exclusively as possible. - Scott Maentz

I neglected to mention a key point: ALL the items of interest in ALL my feeds (including Friendfeed and Twitter) are easily searchable and retrievable from a single user interface: Google Reader. And if you star items of interest as you scan and read them, the search space is significantly narrowed. And I can forward any of these items as email, and tag them. What's not to like? - Sean McBride

For all people who are noting that Google Reader items do not appear in realtime, it should be noted that most FriendFeed shares don't make it to the FriendFeed UI in realtime either. So it doesn't sound like you're losing much by using Google Reader as your FriendFeed interface. I'll experiment with Sean's system a bit and see what I think about it. - Ontario Emperor

I would hate that interface. I don't agree with any of it. I love FoaF and if I don't want stuff from a certain user, I hide them. If I don't want a service showing up, I hide it. - Mattie Kenny

The basic Friendfeed user interface is like logrolling or birling: I'll wager that most new users lose their balance quickly and fall off the log. I am a speed reader, and can absorb huge flows of text easily, but I can't begin to get a handle on the FF flow from the main page -- it's mostly random chaos. Surely this interface issue will continue to be a major obstacle to achieving... more... - Sean McBride

Gabe - check out the FriendFeedLinks feed http://friendfeedlinks.com/ Is it really important to see these items in real time? They are valuable to me within 24 hours or a week. The more one is distracted by trivial posts, the less one has time to focus on important posts. - Sean McBride

I know this is a plug for my own code, but https://launchpad.net/myff (demo at can be seen in the iframe on the right at http://zzzen.jottit.com) tries to address such problems. Not exactly the *same* problems [and it shows my discussion stream (comments+likes) and not my "what's new" stream], but the code is there, and it's easy to add features. Feel free to use this with your own user name (e.g. http://myff.zzzen.webfactional.com/api...) as an iframe. - ĎÚβĨŐÚŚ Dod

Ontario - try this experiment: add the feeds for your five favorite friends to a Google Reader Friendfeed folder. I think you will find that you will be able to track their new posts with much greater speed and ease than from Friendfeed. One is not equally interested in all the posts from one's favorite friends: GR makes it possible to find the most interesting posts with a quick scan down the list. - Sean McBride

Dod: intriguing FF interface. But no features for starring, tagging, sharing, emailing, prioritizing and searching. Yes? No? - Sean McBride

Some interesting comments but I don't agree with all. E.g. it's sometimes interesting to see who has "liked" a post as that might be someone I want to follow. However I do think there should be more options for hiding or compressing content as you choose - Mark Warren

I'm pretty happy with the interface as it is. In fact, I think when you compare it to other social networking/sharing services like twitter, identi.ca, facebook, linkedin, etc... I think it wins hands down. The issues Joshua highlights seem trivial to me, and his recommendations might make the service less useful as Mattie noted above. - Jim Hearts FF

I agree with the disagreers here. He obviously just wants a gReader with a Gmail UI and links to a (probably mostly unused) commenting feature (to put it bluntly..). - Thomas Bøhm

@Sean persistent storage of MyFF is friendfeed itself, and the only way to change its content would be via posts, comments and likes. | I *could* keep some external info in a database at the app's server, but this would require user-auth, backups, etc. and spoil the "zero-admin" fun. | Search I can [and should] do, so you'd "tag" by saying [e.g.] tag-widget (like I just did) and then search for it. | An "item to top" cheat is to delete and re-add one of my own comments (only works for discussion feed) - ĎÚβĨŐÚŚ Dod

An interesting list, but I'm sure if those changes were made that new ones would spring up. The 100% perfect interface will never likely come. - Jeremy Campbell from twhirl

Maybe FF could allow people to Hide parts of the interface. - Christopher Galtenberg

I responded on josh's blog. He's a smart guy who actually did the first iteration of Grazr's home page. Unfortunately the problem is not the interface. It's what *is* friendfeed. He starts the argument with a supposition of what it is, and that's *not* what FriendFeed is to me (or I gather a lot of other people). - mikepk

That certainly got the discussion going. What this tells me is that there needs to be several (three would be the best number) different pre-configured default types of FF that are easy to find for new users. Provide an icon in the left sidebar that goes to a page that offers the three options with descriptions on how each benefits users. Then let them easily toggle between them so they can pick what they like best without having to know how to alter defaults or know anything more. - Internet Strategist

@Strategist, that's one way to approach it, but it dillutes your efforts. It also makes the interface more confusing, not less for initial users. It also means you have to figure out what the default is, as a large percentage of people will never explore beyond a default configuration. Everything has a tradeoff. - mikepk

choice is good,..but too much choice is bad. regarding the OP i disagree completely with all of his "ideas". i def want to see who liked what. i often feel interested in ppl that like things based on topics. all this screen estate talk bash is silly too. the way FF is structured right now makes it possible for each topic to look the same no matter how much text it contains aso. what i would like to see improved is comment rating as @DIGG and filtering. its essential to sort out spammers. - Chris Hofmann

The post was obviously satire, since he titled it "modest" suggestions for updating FriendFeed, and because his suggestions are clearly chosen to be shocking and wrong. - Joshua Allen

Dod - there is a great deal of FF material sitting on Google's servers now, and easily accessible through GR's search interface. In fact, material that has been deleted from FF is still available on GR. - Sean McBride

Joshua, I'm assuming that comment was intended to be saitire. :) I've met josh, I think his suggestions where legit, although it may have been to just spark conversation. - mikepk

Another intriguing data point, Josh's blog has 17 comments at the moment. On FriendFeed this share has way more than that and is "liked by over 100 people. So again, what is the *purpose* of FriendFeed, what *is* it. That is the hard question. - mikepk

"So again, what is the *purpose* of FriendFeed, what *is* it. That is the hard question." - Is it? "History" is full of examples of products that were created for one purpose, but were more useful doing something else. FF started as an RSS aggregator - it's evolving based on how we use it. - John Craft

FF is a powerful vortex that is going to suck in all the blog commentary in the world. :) Maybe not too much an exaggeration. The interface as its stands blows away all the blog comment interfaces out there, in my opinion. - Sean McBride

@mikepk: I wouldn't be so sure. I subscribe to Josh's blog as well, but the usage of the word "modest" in a proposal hearkens back to Swift's famous "modest proposal". He left some big red flags in there, like pretending to forget that people have mouse wheels. - Joshua Allen

Yes, all SM is in a major state of flux. And perhaps it will always be that way. Making *it* whatever *you* want *it* to be. - Jim Mitchem

Thanks for the comments on my post, everyone. I should have made it more clear that I'm not suggesting Friendfeed get rid of its social features...that would reduce the service to a mere feed reader. I completely agree that those features help make FF what it is. What I am suggesting is that in the current design I think they could be presented more efficiently, and as a result I find it hard to scan to find good content quickly. - Joshua Porter

Yes, it is a hard question. If its use is evolving, and it's not based on it's initial conception (which, you're right, is the norm rather than the exception) then answering that question in the contest of trying to make interface design decisions *is* excruciatingly difficult. you're left with a) leave it alone and allow the evolution to continue b) try to formulate what it is to give users a better experience of *that*. Scoble and Josh have a different use pattern than I do, and probably you do. - mikepk

"answering that question in the contest of trying to make interface design decisions *is* excruciatingly difficult." - I think the answer is to make the interface more configurable. Create your own style in the same way you create a WordPress theme or a date format - using defined components, and styling them individually. - John Craft

John, but the more configurable you make it, the more confusing it becomes for users. I've been at this for almost three years now. It's counter-intuitive but the more options you give someone to tailor their experience the more likely they are to choose *none of the above*. Simplicity suffers greatly when you can't answer that fundamental question of what you *are*. - mikepk

Again - as with any media, it is what YOU make it. Except of course if you subscribe to cable, in which case you get what they give you and pay for it through the nose. My point is that if the medium is in place, and it's pliable, we each use it to our individual preferences. That's why FF will not ever go away - but continue to morph into a highly user-friendly interface that will continue to attract users because of its concatenation/aggregation features. Duh. ;) - Jim Mitchem

Friendfeed has a UI, I'd just a burned-in green screen away from being a Univax Server. Useful? Yes, but elegant and pretty? - Matthew DeVries

Here's a simple thought experiment, imagine a poll of the people commenting in this tread "what's the one user interface change you would make that would most improve your experience of FriendFeed". If you didn't get 100 different answers I'd be surprised. That's the hard part. - mikepk

imo, the point of Josh's post is that for the casual observer, FF looks intimidating. As frivolous as it sounds, 'Appearance' and how the UI is organized *is the most important touchpoint* for the consumer. As it stands now, many just don't have the time nor the inclination to tackle the steep learning curve FF requires--there are just too many demands on attention online. Another barrier to entry, which Josh didnt raise, are the confusing account settings which could be better described w/bubble help. - Lee Hsieh

"the more configurable you make it, the more confusing it becomes for users." True - but with a "standard" format (like this one), or a few to choose from, it doesn't have to be. Let new users start with something pre-determined, then migrate to their own custom skin if/when they're ready. - John Craft

Having FoAF defaulted does seem to cause confusion - though it helped me, personally. But if a person is too lazy to scroll, that's not FriendFeed's problem. Sometimes the headline is irrelevant, but the convo contains more valuable information. If I wanted to see headlines from pre-selected people, I would go to Twitter. - Mona Nomura

Lee, good point. There are a lot of competing requirements. Further complicating these kinds of discussions are things like the initial user experience. It's like a variant of the old engineering adage, you can have it intuitive and simple, powerful, or efficient but you can only pick two to optimize. :) - mikepk

Here's something 'right' about FF UI, the 'open in mini-window' live stream. Very cool. - Jim Mitchem

For those who caught Sean McBride's comments earlier about using Google Reader to find interesting FriendFeed content, I *did* give it a try and have taken a couple of screen shots. 1 of 2 (with associated discussion) http://friendfeed.com/e... - Ontario Emperor

2 of 2 (again with associated discussion) http://friendfeed.com/e... - Ontario Emperor

And, as Sean noted, such a system is purported to help you locate things easier. So if you're now interested in Yolanda's item (the one at the bottom), it's here. http://friendfeed.com/e... - Ontario Emperor

I don't know why people are interested in making FF a walled garden. FF remains one of the most enjoyable means of content discovery for me. I think it's something less without FOAF. I would make it a toggle feature on account creation, but not remove it. I'm constantly finding relevant new people through the feature. I think the interface is the strong point - FF is not Google Reader or Gmail - as it's conversation oriented, hence long threads (though for people wanting aggregation *only*, I see the point) - Mo Kargas

Ontario - nice work on the screenshots. Do you notice now that you can view comments and likes from GR? And that it usually takes no more clicks to uncompress comments for the original FF page from GR than from FF itself? One click on "*number more comments" in GR will drop you into the middle of the discussion stream on Friendfeed, with all comments uncompressed. - Sean McBride

Hmm... quickly glancing at my GR subscriptions list I see 2 new posts from Patricia, 1 new post from Paul Buchheit, 2 new posts from Veselka, 24 new posts from Dave Winer, etc. A few clicks exposed the lists of new items to view, and I found six items worth clicking through to. All now marked as read, and no need to see again. That was really fast. Knowledge garnered. Desk cleared. - Sean McBride

So he just wants to turn it into filtered feed reader where only the A-list really gets a look in? What utter bollocks. The strength of FriendFeed is in its social interaction and sharing across the service. Note to Paul Buchheit: please don't do any of these. - Duncan Riley

@duncan: sounds like you're saying that he's missing the "friend" part of FriendFeed... - .LAG liked that

This entry had so many comments it would open up in the home feed btw - Tyler (Chacha)

I guess I disagree with the premise that FF is not supposed to be a firehose. It was a point made by both @Scobleizer and @LeoLaporte in the first seconds of the newest TWiT that FF is supposed to be a firehose. You only pay attention to it when you're looking at it. You step in to it, get your skin ripped off. Then go about your day. There's already readers and such out there that refine the content for you, FriendFeed is about realtime content creation. It only needs the eyes that are on it to run. - Matthew DeVries

And those eyes aren't necessarily yours. You don't sit down to FriendFeed to catch up on a damn thing, you look it to see what is going on now as everything in it whips around and past you. - Matthew DeVries

You can't review history... just too much of it has happened. What this type of medium is going to become is a way to take stuff that interests you, and is currently happening, and being fine if you miss some of it - Tyler (Chacha)

I love the fact that Friendfeed will take the 'likes' of people I subscribe to and give them to me, 435 people can't cover/write/create it all. - Tyler (Chacha)

now we can see who's really on FF - Donovan Slennon

+1 Matthew. I like the fire hoseness of FF. The other great function is to zero in on one friend and see what he/she is up to. That was probably the original intention. The social media blast is a cool side benefit. - Seth Gottlieb

@mikepk dilutes how? I agree that most never change the defaults and get confused which is precisely why I suggest that we offer new users a choice of three "views" with suggestions based on how they want to use FF. - Internet Strategist

@Chris Hofmann Yes, too many choices cause indecision. That is why it needs to be two or at most three and there has to be a VERY simple suggestion on which someone should pick. Otherwise some won't do anything. - Internet Strategist

Ok... I'm not trying to be snippy - and I think discussing how to make FF better is great... but for the love of (name your deity) can we stop the friggin' navel gazing. Things evolve... let's give it some time to do that and stop posting on this thread... jeeeezzzzzzz - Brian Roy

I didn't entirely agree - I like the layout and seeing comments/likes from new people, too - Sarah Perez

I think Friendfeed would be better off focusing on the functionality over the UI. 3rd parties can deal with changing the UI, but adding functionality like Track/Block can't be done by anyone but FF - Tyler (Chacha)

I'd like to correct that last statement .. Track/Block can't be done 'well' by anyone by FF. Because 3rd parties can do it, but probably FF could do it better - Tyler (Chacha)

what a great time to be a FriendFeed developer -- recent tips from power users like Scoble, Gray, and other interesting tidbits like this one. They have so much input now, I wonder what direction they'll take next? - Pete Delucchi

I wish there were a way I could tell FF to give me only the comments of people in my network when there's a huge number like this...as long as we're making a wish list. - Rae21

This entry has so many comments it won't open up without me navigating to its page. Grrr - Tyler (Chacha)

Yeah, Looks like Robert Scoble is a firehose. :) I'm new here. I don't think I'll be friending him. - Rae21

Rae21: that is pretty smart! But I am looking for great items for you. Just build a new list. Call it "noisy asshole" or something like that. Then add me to that list. - Robert Scoble

I felt a little guilty about commenting because I didn't want to take up too much vertical space. Sue me. - Robert Peña

-1. The name is "FriendFeed", not "Firehose". The people are just as important as the feed. Don't lose that, or the mechanisms which promote discovery of new ppl. - Nick Lothian

Added as a CON for now on the FF PRO vs CON list (for now): http://friendfeed.com/e... - B2B Specialist

Nick just said it right ^ - Christopher Galtenberg

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I don't understand why people go so ga-ga over Apple stuff. I don't use iPhone or iMovie. I like netbooks. Where's their frackin netbook?

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Like @ericabiz mentioned on Twitter earlier (http://twitter.com/ericabi...), it doesn't make sense to me that Apple introduced, instead of a lowcost netbook, a more expensive laptop during a recession. Sure, there is the Apple cult, but still, does it really make sense? - Travis B. Hartwell

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They have a netbook, Dave. The 'Air.' - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Agree, Apple is really missing the boat on the Net Book craze. Sure a 17" Mac Book Pro is cool, but a 10" Mac Book Net for <$500 would be even cooler! - Jeff P. Henderson

It has been always in this way. Apple strategy: quality vs price. For this reason Apple had lost the race for being the IBM standard OS. - Simone Riccardi

And why is Amazon out of stock on the 1000H, just when the Monkey's on my back? - Ted Gilchrist

The problem for Apple seems to be that 12" notebooks overhead badly and had heatsink problems so anything smaller than that would likely be a bigger issue until they figure out a redesign - Sally Church

If you don't get apple, don't try. Obviously it isn't for you friend:) - orionstarr

10" screens are so 1991... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - If it doesn't fit in the coin pocket of my jeans (iPhone), I may as well be sitting at my desk. - LogEx

Because they go the extra step. What they announed today with iPhoto alone is enough to destroy Picasa. Why even bother wtih Picasa anymore? Apple does two things well: 1) Ties togehter technologies that would normally be tough to use in a way that it's simple to use, and 2) Gives you ways to make your life easier. - Michael Gaines from twhirl

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Apple Revolutionizes The Keyboard - http://www.loiclemeur.com/english...

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Weblin gate: interoperability portal allows residents of Second Life to export their avatars to the web - http://www.marketwatch.com/news...

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"Weblin, the avatar-based social browsing application, released weblin Gate, a teleporter that allows Second Life Residents to export exact replicas of their avatars for the first time into the Web. Weblin allows Web surfers to make themselves visible to other users by assigning an avatar, or "weblin," to depict a user at the bottom of every Web site. Teleporting a Second Life avatar to any Web site is accomplished in just one step -- step into the photo booth in the weblin house within Second Life, get your picture taken and export your current Second Life avatar as a weblin. Just like weblins, residents defined by their unique Second Life avatars will now be able to seamlessly mesh a universal avatar identity while surfing the web outside of Second Life." - Annie Ok

Very interesting! - Simone Riccardi

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