And don't forget to get an extra deck, in the same style, that is all The Lovers; you never know when such a loaded deck will come in handy
- RAPatton
from iPhone
I can't take credit for it; one her majesty's secret service used that gambit to seduce a tarot card reader in Live and Let Die
- RAPatton
from iPhone
I'm boring. I simply found myself a Rider-Waite tarot deck and that's been all I've had since.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Hahah @ Robert: Last night an article (maybe this one) I read was written by someone who got into tarot reading after watching a Bond movie!
- Nurse Katie
@Miss Hagitha: That's the suggestion to have as a basic beginning set. Gotta learn the ropes first
- Nurse Katie
I inherited a deck from a friend in college (it is a basic Rider-Waite) because the cards just didn't ever seem to work with him; for me, they've been great (sometimes too much so). I really do feel that you have to feel some sort of connection with the deck you are using.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Here's the real question. How many times do you have to be knocked down before you say "enough!"?
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Some set-and-forget settings would be nice. I would prefer to establish my own defaults rather than have them be changed for me and then be required to change them back. That part can be annoying.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
The fact that this is a total lie is what annoys me the most. I had to disable search engine indexing because Facebook recently made my friends list into public information, when I had it set to be private before the change. My information is NOT safe because Facebook has intentionally made it so. "Basic set of information" my ass.
- Otto
"New studies of the plumbing that feeds the Yellowstone supervolcano in Wyoming's Yellowstone National Park shows the plume and the magma chamber under the volcano are larger than first thought and contradicts claims that only shallow hot rock exists. University of Utah research professor of geophysics Robert Smith led four separate studies that verify a plume of hot and molten rock at least 410 miles deep that rises at an angle from the northwest."
- Jason Huebel
from Bookmarklet
OMG. This actually ended up in my dream last night.
- Victor Ganata
Okay, this is weird...I'm listening to Sylvester's "You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)" on last.fm and the alien is throbbing in precise time with the beat.
- Heather
Do guys ever like "regular" girls? Or do they always have to be tarted and slutted out to hell? I like looking at nice guys, but they can be in sweater vests and bowties, not waxed, shiny, and in speedos.
I do. Maybe I'm jaded from growing up in SoCal. I've always been around those "Hawt Chicks" who, well, *yawn* THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME TO ME. Give me character or unconventional beauty any day!
- Anna Haro
i was attracted to (and still am attracted to) a "normal" girl. she dresses like a guy most of the time (occasionally will wear a 3/4 length skirt or dress) and i think i've seen my wife in full makeup TWICE in 13+ years since we first met. sometimes she wears lipstick if there's a party, otherwise the overwhelming majority of the time she's got nothing on her face. i don't think she's...
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- Joe Silence is not dead
i have always found 'regular' girls in 'everyday attire to be attractive. Anyway, the looks don't necessarily match personality or sexual prowess
- Ian May
I like regular girls. I may lust after the hotties, but give me a nerdy girl any day. I married a nerd. (Don't tell her I admitted it, but her IQ is slightly higher than mine. Mine is 164.)
- Jason Huebel
@Jason: the nerdy girls ARE the hotties! (i married a mathematician.)
- Joe Silence is not dead
I find emotional warmth attractive, above all. I have to admit, I like a gal who is down-to-earth but, when necessary, can really turn herself out (I have a glam side, too).
- T. Brent, technopeasant
hoho, I like how Anna blames it on SoCal. =)
- Andrew C
That's my experience, Andrew. :-) I grew up in an area where all the girls wanted/tried to look like Pamela Anderson. NO THANKS.
- Anna Haro
I married a librarian, endogamy FTW! Sneak-up hot is so much more fun than self-regarding know-i'm-hot.
- Pete
FWIW, I know a lot of librarians that are tarted and slutted all to hell. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) Just sayin' that "librarian" does not necessary equal "regular girl."
- Sarah G.
Indeed not, Sarah, though in my experience the two sets are pretty close. Then again, I haven't been to an AALL conference...
- Pete
And this ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, is why I love Derrick so.
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
I'd much rather a woman think like a porn star than look like a porn star. I'd much rather see the attractive "regular" women I see naked, but most of them won't let me see them naked, so I make due with the women who will. If that makes sense.
- josh neff, geek at large
I like 'normal' women, but my definition of 'normal' is other peoples' 'weird', or maybe just 'different'. And DERRICK! Don't say you don't like the tarts, I can't count how many times I've seen some oiled-up superhunk* scroll down c/o your feed. You know I aint lyin! *Other then Derricks self portraits.
- Will Higgins™
I'm a jeans, t-shirt, no make-up & ponytail kinda girl, and I'm married, so that means at least one guy does ;o)
- Mellissa Claus
I wouldn't use "regular" to describe myself, but I definitely don't tart or slut more than 1x per 5 years. There are guys who are into that, but in my experience it's a minority of guys. That works, really, because it seems like the majority of women wear makeup, etc.
- Lo
I think most men have a knee-jerk (and I'm using the word "knee" here *very* loosely) response to "tarted up" women, where we are reacting to the symbols and signifiers of "sexy." rather than to the person herself (hence "sex object" and all that). When it comes to "regular" girls, tastes diverge a bit, but I think all but the most deluded and juvenile men also find a certain large segment of the "regular" female population attractive, too.
- s t e v e
Also, Derrick, lemme remind you of some of your previous posts here: the women on FF who get comments on their photos ranging from appreciative to Neanderthal are almost never looking phony, dressed to kill, etc. They are just looking pretty or confident or vulnerable or kind or some other "normal" thing that men respond to (appropriately or not).
- s t e v e
Great Feed. I think regular girls are the best..
- ★ Soner Gönül
Also, D., I too would rather appreciate Josh in his vest and bow tie than oiled up in a Speedo.
- s t e v e
Steve, I think that's a universal feeling. Nobody wants to see me in a Speedo, oiled or otherwise.
- josh neff, geek at large
Hmm. 'Librarians of South Beach; sign, signifier, signiFIED! A post-structural dis-course on sexuality and attraction'
- Pete
Josh, you in a speedo would not be as scary and some speedos I've seen.
- DJF
I love Tina Fey, but when she plays me in the movie of my life, I am going to tell her to gain 30 lbs.
- laura x
The best looking girls wake up looking that way.
- Brad Greer
laura: In Tina Fey's defense, it's possible that she doesn't really have a choice. My wife (yes, a librarian; yes, smarter than I am; yes, doesn't own high heels) is 5'10" or 5'11" and weighs 115lb--because that's how her metabolism works. [Addendum: I don't follow celebrity news much OR read the NYTimes, so didn't realize that Fey admitted losing 30lbs deliberately--see laura x below.]
- Walt Crawford
What Brad said! Some of the best looking women I have seen have little to no make-up or other enhancements. Keep it simple stupid... ;)
- JA Castillo
A woman who looks like a stripper is probably going to catch my eye, but that's about it and only temporary. We had a party once where we had strippers. I got to film them "backstage" and just kinda hang out with a bunch of naked women. It was pretty awesome, but as we got to talking, I started to forget to stare at their junk.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I personally prefer regular girls. Yeah sure a lot of slutty girls look good, but at the end of the day I find myself looking more at a regular girl with some nice curves.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I don't know any regular girls. All the women I know are amazing in a lot of different ways.
- DJF
i thought you guys all liked regular girls who "tarted up" for you at home? or if you know that librarian is "tarted up" underneath...?
- Lisa
Oooo, a tarted up librarian? I'm all for that!
- Jason Huebel
I don't know if I like this anti-tarty vein. And whoever was commenting on women's photos on FF and the response they got, um, you're wrong. The "myspace photo" is alive and well on FF. You got it with "vulnerable" doe eyes through teh eyebrows cleavage shots. lol. Do you think the anti-tart sentiment isn't about high maintenance women, but more about a fear of women's sexuality?
- anna sauce
To clarify- men feel safe when women hide their sexiness underneath a cardigan and horned-rim glasses?
- anna sauce
I really doubt it, anna. Men feel safe when women hide their intelligence behind pancake makeup and fuck me pumps is more like it.
- Spidra Webster
Other men, maybe. Smart, strong women are a serious turn-on for me. I like a woman who can stand her ground.
- Jason Huebel
Of course there are exceptions. And probably more here on FF than other places. But as a generalization? yeah.
- Spidra Webster
I wonder if you take a hot woman, who is a librarian, and shows off her curves. Would you guys not be interested because... she has a healthy sense of her own worth? LOL.
- anna sauce
I don't like it when women hide their sexiness or their intelligence. Wearing it on the outside, whether you're in a short skirt & fishnets or a baggy T-shirt & jeans. is really, really, really attractive.
- josh neff, geek at large
I mean, some people are just hot, and not slutty per se, but defnitely have a rack, etc. Like Selma Hayek. Would anyone tell her to take out her contacts and put on a cardigan, so they can marry her... lol. We're putting too much stock in looks.
- anna sauce
It's interesting how many people (mostly guys) say here (and in other similar threads) that they're into women who are smart, practical, and "normal", and not so into the major makeup, flirty, "tarted up" type. However, when a picture is posted here that is like there, there is no shortage of drooling in the comments.
- Rochelle
What's the adage... you f** your mistress, you marry your wife?
- anna sauce
Few things turn me on more than witty repartee, like I'm in a 30s screwball comedy or something.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Rochelle: On the other hand, there's a whole bunch of us out here who you've never see drool over any picture in the comments, whether it's a "hot" woman or otherwise. Out of a million people on FF, I'm certainly ready to believe there are thousands of "guys" looking for hot pictures to drool over and also thousands of men who prefer women in all their complexities.
- Walt Crawford
Like I said, a "slut" or hot chick or whatever might catch my eye just like an expensive sports car might catch my eye...but that doesn't mean I really want one.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Walt, I'm talking about people I interact with on FF and posts I've seen show up in my feed. I've never encountered you before on FF, so I have no idea what your commenting history is.
- Rochelle
Coming from Montreal, people would often rave about how beautiful Montreal women are... but I've also heard it said that your 'average' Montreal girl (whatever that is) knows how to dress in a way that flatters their particular body type.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I find a woman beautiful based on a range of factors and I do not prejudge them into categories like 'hot girl' and 'normal'.
- Johnny Worthington
WHY ARE WE FORGETTING ABOUT THE MEN IN SWEATER VESTS AND BOW TIES? #furious
- Derrick
Derrick... I can appreciate a well groomed man as well...
- Johnny Worthington
Oh yes, there are men that like intelligent women. Then you end up as the *tech-support gal* .. :)
- Citronella
The thing about "hot" girls is that you can invest hundreds of hours in knowing how to look good to please others (and I'm drawing a distinction from ladies who do it for themselves, like many FF women), but you're still going to be old someday anyway. If you invest that time in knowing stuff, or being entertaining, you'll be the hot one with time.
- Lo
Yes I prefer girls with a healthy dose of fiber.
- Rodfather
This is a tricky question, actually. Obviously, I see where D is going, but I would argue that a girl not being tarted up does not make her "regular." Many of ff's most spectacularly crush-worthy ladies are not tarted up at all, and many of the guys on here notice quite often how fabulous these "regular" girls are. :)
- Bren, Not Grinchy
Whatever they're wearing, I like intensity in a guy... probably why I like hanging around poets and Highlanders so much.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I much prefer "regular" girls. I can't stand gigantic fake boobs, I'm not one for women with tattoos and trout pouts make my dick run for cover.
- Joey Gibson
Sure, some guys like regular girls. No, plain janes do not get more action nor asked on more dates. (Simple answer). And for some women (whom i admire) the makeup application that makes them look dynamite takes mere minutes, and they can hold a conversation quite easily - so equating makeup/tarted (?) with shallow is just an easy out. tarted up doesnt cancel out your worth as an intelligent human, for either sex. So, ernk to the turn this convo has taken.
- ωαřмaiden, MFA'd poet
I like regular girls. I like slutty girls. but most of all, I like punk rock girls. they punk rock my world.
- Morgan Haley
Im not a tart - I have neither the figure, the wardrobe nor the makeup skills to enhance my looks. But I dont trash those who do. I consider myself pretty regular - plain and chunky, on the higher side of smart. I just think this question (Do guys ever like regular girls") is too much like "do guys ever like chocolate?". The answer is some of them, some of the time, and it all depends on the chocolate.
- ωαřмaiden, MFA'd poet
I like a variety. Give me "vanilla", give me fetish and everything in between.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
lol I also notice tHat in the spectrum of tart vs regular, we've conveniently left out the ugly girl, for whom the only real answer is to have an awesome personality that overrides face (or interesting text that overrides posted pictures).
- ωαřмaiden, MFA'd poet
Warmaiden: I agree with you. However, I have seen photos of you wearing make-up, and you've mentioned buying lingerie...
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Dear godz. I like flesh, curves, handles, niches, painted, tanned, alabaster white, smart, simple, ditzy, high heels, bare feet, short skirts, amish dresses, burkas with hint of slutty eye, short, tall, wide, thin, tarty, virginal, ad infintum. But, there has to be some beauty there. Turn-offs - cankles, dirty feet, underarm hair, bad complexions, body odor, or the idea that sex (or our...
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- Rev. Dr. W!cKeD Rock
T. brent - this is true. I suppose i didnt think that rated on the Tart Scale :)
- ωαřмaiden, MFA'd poet
You know what? I wanted to like this thread. But you're all playing so facilely with stereotypes that don't mean jack shit that it's a pointless conversation. I'm a "regular girl", and a "slut" and a "tart", and a "librarian" -- what the HELL are you actually talking about, other than objectifying women while pretending to be enlightened about it?
- Jenica
Jenica, I think you're absolutely right. I've been trying to make that kind of point--at least it's been in the back of my head--but I've been doing it very, very, very badly.
- josh neff, geek at large
Nice work Jenica. File this under "threads I wish I hadn't posted in"
- s t e v e
I prefer to subjectify women. That is to say: SUBJECT THEM TO MY AWESOMENESS WOAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Akiva Moskovitz
I agree that words have a lot of baggage associated with them, but it'd be pretty hard to have this conversation without words. Is there another word besides "tart" that more adequately expresses the nuances that you feel should be included in such a discussion? Or is it just flat out wrong to talk about women period? (please read that in a non-confrontational tone, I don't mean to fight, just curious & happy to be ignored)
- Lo
"other than objectifying women while pretending to be enlightened about it" - Whedonification, or see also Sorkinification.
- Andrew C
Jenica, what do you find attractive in men? And don't answer with anything that would objectify them.
- Kenton
I don't think we're all playing with the stereotypes; or rather, I don't think we're all playing *along* with the stereotypes. Some of us (OK, me) are tweaking the stereotypes with our responses (except for the being married to a librarian part. Librarians are pretty neat, regardless of where they fall on the sexual attractiveness scale.)
- cecily
Hmmm. Being one who's in an open relationship, and a Kink? I get to deal with all types from all walks in many situations. I'm pretty desensitized to a lot of "normal" turn-ons, so someone who tries to stand out will get my attention - so will someone who tries to blend in. That's why I appreciate the entire spectrum. And yes! I love women who want me to objectify them, literally!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
This stinks. If I can't abuse my hide button then the site is worthless for the moment. Most of my hides and likes aren't even taking. :(
- Admiral Anika
There is movement. Seems like whatever blockage existed has been cleared.
- Brian Sullivan
yup back up to speed for me again :-) Was awful for a bit there.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
"Eric Greenspan, a former competitor on The Next Iron Chef and owner of The Foundry, is working towards opening a comforting idea: a restaurant dedicated to grilled cheese."Greenspan's Grilled Cheese will be located on Melrose next to The Foundry, reports the LA Times Food Blog, The Daily Dish.
- Amani
from Bookmarklet
"If every band could pull off an acoustic set as moving and gorgeous as Metric's on Saturday night, you would be seeing a lot less drums and electric guitars at concerts. One half of the Canadian indie pop band played a sold-out show at Martini Ranch, treating the audience to beautifully constructed melodies and intimate stories, giving fans a unique glimpse into the minds of the utterly hip musicians. As the crowd was slowly ushered into the showroom of the nightclub, they encountered a Yamaha grand piano that engulfed most of the tiny stage, and a couple acoustic guitars resting against a chair. There seemed to be a feeling of collective uncertainly as every square inch of the room was filled. Without a word, lead singer Emily Haines and guitarist James Shaw quietly walked out and headed straight for their instruments. As Haines uttered the first lyric of "Gold Guns Girls," a chill fluttered through the room, and even the bartenders busily shaking up drinks paused for a minute. The...
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- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
"Metric's normally upbeat, synth-filled tunes were transformed into intense love songs, and you could feel the pain as Haines sang out biting lyrics like "I'm not suicidal, I just can't get out of bed," during the song "Satellite Mind." As the duo crept into the fourth song, Haines walked over to Shaw and the two engaged in a private rendition of "Front Row." Finally, Haines addressed...
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- RAPatton
from iPhone
""She even honored the band's deep admiration for the Strokes with a minimalistic cover of "The End Has No End."--- I love their version of the end has no end; so jealous.
- RAPatton
from iPhone
My Facebook privacy settings. Excuse me, but I don't see what the fuss about "pushing people to make everything public" is all about. The settings are there for a reason: so that you can change them if you want.
That and when I used the privacy transition tool, it *GASP* defaulted to my previous settings. I didn't have to change anything. I really have no clue what all the OMG articles are about
- LANjackal
The friends list checkbox doesn't affect API access.
- Vezquex: God of FF
No it doesn't for apps that you install, but you can also edit what info apps your friends use can access. I pulled all access to those
- LANjackal
from IM
"Publicly available information" now includes your name, profile photo, list of friends, pages you are a fan of, gender, networks to which you belong, and current city. PAI used to be only name and networks. This you have no choice about. The rest is all about defaults, most people go with defaults and FB has pushed almost everyone to more openness whether they understand it or agree with it or not.
- LogEx
Where are you getting this from? That's not true, because I can do a search right now for people whose friends and pictures I can't see. For the record, I even signed into FB with a different account (my LJ one) and tried to view the profiles of people on my IRL account. I can't see their friends, and can't see the gender of at least one of them. I can see networks and pages, but I don't find that troublesome
- LANjackal
from IM
Everyone I know who makes their account that private (usually school teachers), either lies or doesn't bother filling out that info anyway. I don't see the big deal.
- Rob Haas
"With these changes, a limited set of basic information that helps your friends find you will be made publicly available. This information is name, profile picture, gender, current city, networks, friend list, and Pages." [http://blog.facebook.com/blog...] & "Now when you uncheck the "Show my friends on my profile" option in the Friends box on your profile, your...
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- LogEx
Acknowledged. Not a big deal to me, but I could see how it could be perturbing to other people
- LANjackal
from IM
The hook is that most people don't ever change their settings, so flipping this switch just turned all their stuff public. If you've changed Your settings, FB respects them. But a ton of people just had their accounts pushed into being public. Not cool, and a breach of the trust that originally drew people to FB.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
Ah... David, that makes sense. I had already restricted my settings early this year, so that explains why my post-newest-change settings were pretty well locked down. @LANjackal, I believe the friends list restriction has only happened very recently, however.
- Andrew C
I can see why it's a big deal to some people but Facebook doesn't force you to post this info and it's sheer laziness not to even look at the privacy settings. It's a bunch of dropdowns, it's no more complicated than using the rest of the site, and it's not like they didn't tell people either - the notice was huge.
- Amy
Here's the bigger issue. This nice little "underhand" Facebook pulled has gotten some attention from the Lawmakers. If the users begin to strong arm Sites pulling these tactics then they may get the message. Otherwise? We may get "Legislation" from a bunch of clueless men and women in a bubble. Who the hell wants that! That's why I "deactivated" my Facebook account today and will never go back.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Why is the "show friend list to everyone" option NOT stuck in with the rest of the privacy options?
- Andrew C
I don't know, but I do submit that the problem of different privacy settings being scattered all over the UI hasn't been addressed by the update. But then again there are people who would complain if the settings weren't at the friends list box itself. The same with pic album privacy. The settings ARE there, though.
- LANjackal
"True. Now, I'm not naive in the ways of Internet Privacy (in fact I've taught many classes on the subject). You are correct, the assumption of Privacy on the Internet should be tempered and caution must be taken. However, simply "rolling over and taking it" is not the way to go either. There is a HUGE difference between what mr John Baku does and what Facebook is doing. And true, you may not be taking the quizzes on Facebook, but were you aware that if your "friends" take them it exposes your info to marketers and app makers regardless of your privacy settings (this includes some spiders and search engines). So, info you may not want to be exposed can be exposed by Facebook through the applications it allows and promotes. They do this with full knowledge and are completely aware that their privacy settings don't count for a thing. Again, take the ACLU quiz. It will show you *exactly* what I'm talking about. Now, I simply streamed info into Facebook from other Sites, so nothing in..."
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
"Take a deeper look. Especially from the "Consent" point of view. Did you give consent to these changes? Of course not. Also, if you participate in many of the apps and quizzes available on Facebook, you should probably know what they expose. To take a look at this info, I suggest you take the ACLU quiz. They *show* you what facebook exposes not only about you, but your friends. It's pretty interesting (and shocking). http://www.facebook.com/note...... Finally, the percentage of Facebook users who go in and fully privatize their Facebook settings is rather low (only 15-20% - http://news.yahoo.com/s......) The long and short here? Facebook just doesn't care about user privacy, do you?"
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Thanks everybody again for all your well wishes and mazel tovs. Wedding went well and everybody had a great time. Cassie and I are a little hung over from the after party and the after after party. We didn't drink much during the wedding.
Ohayou-gozaimasu. Hajimemashite? Oai-deki-te ureshii-desu. My Japanese is still very poor. I am thankful for such good teachers as you. ^_^
- ıɯoʎıʞ & uǝʞ
good, maybe you can explain the elements pf sentence too, like what does yoroshiku mean? or how do you compare these two phrases , etc. :)
- Mahmood Padura
Piacere di conoscerti. Un saluto dalla Sardegna
- Isola Virtuale
Thanks! First line of business completed - swapped all locks in the hoome, next line of business - change garage door opener frequency - third line of business - Move In.
- Tsali, The Native of FF
from fftogo
"Just left the 'World Premiere' of "Avatar," and while the standing ovation the film received at its conclusion is probably just the requisite politeness; I can report that this is another rare example where the quality of the movie does indeed exceed the hype and "Avatar" will most certainly be among the 10 'Best Picture' nominees for the Oscars; and James Cameron will also be a Best Director nominee. I think it is also possible that actress Zoe Saldana, who has the most challenging of roles in the film, may rack up an additional acting nomination as well. The movie may owe more than a few plot points to the story of Pocahontas, and there may be some grousing at a fairly heavy-handed treatment of corporate greed and our lack of American energy independence; but the key question, is Cameron able to deliver a movie that packs the entertainment value and emotional punch of 'Titanic.' The clear answer is 'Yes.' The Oscars will not ignore this film."
- RAPatton
many technical awards im sure. 3D Imax with an actual movie = technical awards. I dont think CGI characters are eligible for Oscars are they?
- echostreamer
Akiva: you're not trying to tell me that you haven't got any batwing jumpers in your wardrobe are you??? (and yes, I used all the English words on purpose).
- WorldofHiglet
I keep them next to my hammer pants in my bureau.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Ok, then, Joe...just mind yourself :P
- WorldofHiglet
Now that makes an interesting mental picture, Akiva O_o
- WorldofHiglet
one of my all-time-fav-tragedy-it-ended TV series
- winckel
Stunningly great sci-fi that could both benefit from a reimagining and, at the same time, have its memory raped should that ever happen.
- Mark H
FUCK YEAH Blake's 7!!! Classy! (Remembering the episode where people run into the room and slip...accidentally, fighting to remain "Dramatic!")
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
I was totally into it as a kid - I never even noticed the wobbly sets because it was DRAMA and SCI-FI and it had a WOMAN in it who KICKED-ASS!
- WorldofHiglet
killer opening. Crazy 80's graphics, great track. And total production cost 24 old pence :-)
- winckel
That much? You're being kind. It was 4 Quatloos! They saved money by reusing the Star Trek emblem and flipping it sideways (with a fresh coat of paint)
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift