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The small screen gets larger everyday. Scrub those listings and let us know - what keeps you from reaching for the remote?
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So, from everything I've read, I think anyone who wanted Community to return for another season needs to brace themselves: probably not happening. Talks with Sony and Hulu fell through. The actors' contracts end June 30. So, I imagine that's it. Still, I'm happy for the time I had with those characters and that world, so...
...I'm not going to mourn the show, but praise it. - Jed
Yeah, we kind of knew that months ago. - Akiva
Well, the talks from everything I read were looking good, so I held a little hope. Cautious optimism, but optimism. - Jed
Community was dead when they fired Harmon. It was a total cock-up from the executive level down. Community suffered the same syndrome The West Wing did. You can't recover from that. - Akiva
pretty sure Harmon came back when it jumped networks and just today there's an announcement Yahoo picked up the show. - Lnorigb
Yup! So happy! - Jed from iPhone
And in awesome news: Community has been renewed by Yahoo! Woo hoo! #SixSeasonsAndAMovie
So excited! - Chris Topher
Me too! - Jed from iPhone
Six seasons and a movie! - Jed from iPhone
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'True Detective' Season 2 to Feature Only 1 Lead Character? -
'True Detective' Season 2 to Feature Only 1 Lead Character?
"The mystery surrounding True Detective and its impending Season 2 is beginning to crack open. As of now, we know nothing solid, but a report from The Warp teases that new episodes will revolve around a single male character with a number of male and female roles serving as back-up. Apparently the first script is complete. @TheWarp #TrueDetective Twitter EXCLU: The 1st script for 2nd season is IN & agency sources tell us it features one MALE lead & male/female co-stars. This goes against earlier reports that True Detective Season 2 would have three lead characters, with creator Nic Pizzolatto explaining how the new series was going to work. And it was teased that one of the main characters would be a female, with the action taking place in the seedier, more unseen side of California." - Bluesun 2600 from Bookmarklet
The more they announce about this, the less interested I get. - Jennifer Dittrich
Ya, I agree. I thought having a female lead with a new story would of been a good choice, but from this it looks as if Matthew McConaughey would be coming back for some episodes. I don't think that's a good idea. - Bluesun 2600
Andrew C (✔)
The Boondocks: “The New Black” · TV Club · The A.V. Club -
"When Aaron McGruder announced that the final season of The Boondocks would go ahead without him, I was skeptical of the finished product. After all, McGruder had created the strip, written it for years, created the series, and written almost every episode." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
"This season has, oddly, proved me wrong, if only because it’s easy to see how almost every episode could have been good had pretty much anyone involved cared even the slightest bit about making a show at the same quality level as those first few seasons. " - Andrew C (✔)
Well, that's disappointing, but not unexpected. - Victor Ganata
TBH I never could get into the show. Loved the comic strip, but just couldn't get over the voices for the kids. - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew C (✔)
5 Reasons to Get Excited and/or Worried About the Wachowskis’ Netflix Series « -
"While most of Netflix’s on-deck projects feature a few stars or an experienced showrunner or shiny source material, only Sense8 has the duo that created The Matrix. I pause before adding “trilogy” because that’s the thing about the Wachowskis — they’re all-stars because of The Matrix, and assholes because of the trilogy and roughly everything else." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
for the record, I actually liked Matrix Reloaded (2). And the Animatrix. Revolutions (3) was pretty bad, though. - Andrew C (✔)
The Matrix is the only one that I can watch over and over and over again. Watching the Matrix Reloaded twice was too much. And, yeah, Matrix Revolutions, ugh. - Victor Ganata
Andrew C (✔)
TV Review: 'Dominion' - Hollywood Reporter -
"Syfy's latest drama, Dominion, may be one of the dumbest, worst-acted, most poorly written series I've seen in ages. In no way should this encourage you to tune in hoping to rubberneck this bit of awfulness in hopes of creating some kind of new drinking game." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
"One of my actual notes from watching the pilot, verbatim: "This is unbearable."" - Andrew C (✔)
Check out my thoughts on Community's cancellation for FreakSugar:
It's my favorite article I've written for FreakSugar so far. - Jed
Awesome job! I too was unsurprised that it happened. I loved the show and it was one of my favorite shows to watch, but when its head to head with The Big Bang Theory of course it will have low ratings. - Chris Topher
You made me have feels! - Heather
Thanks, guys! I'm really happy with it. - Jed
Andrew C (✔)
BTW, just in case y'all hadn't heard. CBS greenlit a show for next season called "CSI: Cyber". I am not making this up.
Aw, CSI: Cyber will be held till midseason. - Andrew C (✔)
Lemme guess. Online crimes. JACK IN! - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
Andrew C (✔)
Actress Chloe Bennet says changing her name changed her luck | Toronto Star -
Actress Chloe Bennet says changing her name changed her luck | Toronto Star
"Chloe Wang's fortunes in Hollywood improved dramatically when she decided to change her surname. She says within days of adopting her father's given name -- Bennet -- as a family name, she landed her first big acting gig. That was on the TV series Nashville, in a recurring role as record company assistant Hailey. "I was having trouble booking things with my last name. I think it was hard for people to cast me as an ethnic, as an Asian American woman," says Bennet in an interview with the Star. "But I still wanted to keep my dad's name, and I wanted to respect him, so I used his first name."" - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
That's so frustrating - both that it happens that way, and that some people are still going to make excuses for why it does. - Jennifer Dittrich
Someone mentioned this on FB, jokingly saying he would change his name to enjoy better success in show biz too, and one response was something like "it seems like it's more that she's a pretty girl", but... she was about equally as pretty with her old name, so. - Andrew C (✔)
Yeah I don't think there's any defense of the name thing in Hollywood and other media businesses, with the exception that it's so prevalent. It's been going on for a century. - NOT THE CRICKET
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NBC's $7 billion Olympics deal will keep the games tied to cable TV until you're old -
NBC's $7 billion Olympics deal will keep the games tied to cable TV until you're old
"We hope you love how NBC handles its Olympic Games broadcasts, because it just locked up broadcast rights on TV, internet and mobile devices until 2032. NBC previously outbid rivals from ABC/ESPN and Fox with a $4.38 billion offer for the broadcast rights through 2020, and the new extension runs things out for twelve more years at a price of $7.65 billion, with a tiny $100 million signing bonus "for the promotion of Olympism" between 2015 and 2020. The good news, is that NBC has at least seen the light on live broadcasting, and made all the events (except for the Opening Ceremony) available for viewing as they happened on the internet or TV during the 2014 Winter Games. Of course -- rather predictably since NBCUniversal is owned by Comcast -- it's still tying access to those internet streams to having a cable or satellite TV subscription, and it seems unlikely that will change any time soon." - Bluesun 2600 from Bookmarklet
This Sucks! I shutter to think that I'd have to sit through another Olympics looking at Costas' bowtox induced red-eye. The last 4 Olympic coverage has been the worst I've ever seem. - Bluesun 2600
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Game of Thrones, Oathkeeper, White Walkers, and Why Book Readers Shouldn't Be Too Worried | Vanity Fair -
Game of Thrones, Oathkeeper, White Walkers, and Why Book Readers Shouldn't Be Too Worried | Vanity Fair
"Something massive happened inside the plot tonight of Game of Thrones, but that’s not the real game changer. The real game changer is that for the first time, in a truly significant way, the book readers were as surprised as the show watchers. That’s right, the reign of the smug book reader is over. Or, at least, it’s on temporary hiatus." - Bluesun 2600 from Bookmarklet
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This Accidental Game Of Thrones Spoiler Just. Changed. Everything. -
This Accidental Game Of Thrones Spoiler Just. Changed. Everything.
"Did you watch Game of Thrones on HBO Go last night? Then you may have gotten a surprise bit of information that is so monumentally huge, it's not just a spoiler for the show but it's possibly a spoiler for the A Song of Ice and Fire books as well. CONTINUE AT YOUR OWN RISK." - Bluesun 2600 from Bookmarklet
Andrew C (✔)
How the Upright Citizens Brigade Conquered TV in 2014 | Complex -
How the Upright Citizens Brigade Conquered TV in 2014 | Complex
"If you're a massive comedy fan, there's a solid chance that the vast majority of the talents you're currently quoting, DVRing, and retweeting got their start at UCB--either in New York or in L.A. And if you're of the opinion that someone's simply either born funny or not, that comedy isn't something that can be taught or learned, let me sway your opinion with exhibit A: the near unfathomable success rate of this bi-coastal improv and sketch institution." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
SNL, Parks and Rec, Broad City, Key & Peele, Kroll Show, Veep, House of Lies, Childrens Hospital, etc... (edit: just realized this piece didn't even mention the upcoming Playing House, created and run by two more UCBers and with more UCBers among the cast and writers.) - Andrew C (✔)
I wonder what a timeline graph of various companies' dominance would look like: Groundlings, Second City, IO, UCB, etc. - Spidra Webster
That said, I think people of Tina Fey's generation -- besides the UCB 4 -- are more properly considered from iO or Second City. - Andrew C (✔)
I'm not sure about Groundlings, but for the rest, my vague sense is that Second City was first, and then the second wave of Second City "vets" really came up at IO first and got to the Second City mainstage after that... (Then again, Mick Napier, founder of the Annoyance in Chicago and a SC bigwig, has written that no one school in Chicago is sufficient: not SC, not IO, and not even his... more... - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew C (✔)
Can't remember where I saw it, but someone said Mads Mikkelsen as Hannibal Lecter vs Anthony Hopkins is like Heath Ledger vs Jack Nicholson as the Joker.
Andrew C (✔)
How I Met Your Aunt: A Bizarre Ending for How I Met Your Mother - Megan Garber - The Atlantic -
How I Met Your Aunt: A Bizarre Ending for How I Met Your Mother - Megan Garber - The Atlantic
"Most shows define their social universes geographically: They are populated by people whom circumstance has thrown together, physically. The throwing could take place in a bar (Cheers), in a coffee shop (Friends), in an apartment (New Girl), in an office (The Office), at a taxi dispatch service (Taxi), at a TV studio (30 Rock), or, of course, in a house (pretty much every other sitcom ever). Regardless, in the social--and, you could say, moral--cosmology of the typical sitcom, it is spatial connection that leads to social connection." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
"In part, these physical spaces are plot devices that explain to audiences why this small group of people seems to be always together, and always so insulated in their togetherness. [...] They allow the audience to suspend disbelief. They sacrifice the inevitable frictions of real-world social relationships--the vagaries of distance, the misalignments of schedules--at the altar of sitcomic convenience. " - Andrew C (✔)
"But what those constraints amount to, ultimately, are shows that embrace an eponymous approach to family itself: According to the most basic logic of the sitcom, one's family is "the group of people that situation has thrown together, comedically."" - Andrew C (✔)
"So HIMYM, despite and maybe because of its insistence that friend and family cannot be--and should not be--distinguished from one another, ended up embracing one of the most regressive assumptions a story can make: that anyone outside its sphere of influence is, ultimately, expendable. The show rejected the structure of friendships as most of us experience them--as rich, fluid networks populated by varied universes of people--in favor of something narrower. And just a tiny bit xenophobic. " - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew C (✔)
David Letterman Announces Retirement -- Vulture -
David Letterman Announces Retirement -- Vulture
"David Letterman announced today, at a taping of Late Show, that he will be retiring. [...] Last October, Letterman extended his contract with CBS through 2015. After 32 years (11 at Late Night and 21 at Late Show), Letterman has the record for longest working late-night host in TV history. " (and there's an official statement at the link) - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
Andrew C (✔)
Series finale review: 'How I Met Your Mother' - 'Last Forever': How they conned us all -
(Page 2) "But [the showrunners Carter and Bays] were bound by the rules they had made for themselves. They had a plan. They had to stick to that plan. And the result of that plan was among the more maddening things I've seen in the finale of a show I at one point loved." - Andrew C (✔)
"And kids, I know from anger-inducing finales. I literally wrote a book about a bunch of shows that featured them, and that book featured candid quotes from their creators about how little of those series were planned and how much was created on the fly. Those quotes angered many fans of those shows, who used them as further evidence for why they hated the endings, and for why no show should be allowed to improvise major story arcs ever." - Andrew C (✔)
"And if any good can possibly come out of this "HIMYM" finale, I would hope that it is the end of this belief. Because so much of what was terrible here was terrible because Bays and Thomas had a very specific vision for the ending of their show and would not — or, perhaps, after they filmed the kids' reactions, could not — deviate from it. And based on the initial reaction I've seen to... more... - Andrew C (✔)
"Because this was horrible. This ignored everything that had happened between [various cast pairings], all because once upon a time, this is what Bays and Thomas wanted to do." - Andrew C (✔)
Whoa. What happened? - MoTO Boychick Devil
Donna Bowman had a more positive review of the finale here: But while she wrote well and I understand where she's coming from, I side more with Sepinwall, and I'm not even a diehard HIMYM fan. The finale made the rest of the final season largely a waste of time, and I'd been a new fan who thought the plan to make s9... more... - Andrew C (✔)
Shenanigans. I'm not even a fan of the show and I'm irritated with how they finished it off. - Hookuh Tinypants from FreshFeed
There's also a really good comment on the AV Club: It's a bit long to excerpt, but essentially Cronin's point is that the showrunners fell in love with a twist they'd cooked up a long time ago and as the show went on and diverged from that twist, they ended up faking out really hard to preserve the... more... - Andrew C (✔)
I don't know how I feel about it yet. It had it good points and bad, but, without spoiling it, the ending felt like the past season was a kick in the nards. - Jed from iPhone
^ That's pretty much most peoples' take on it, including mine. I would have been just gutted to invest so much into a show and especially a single pivotal season, only to have it all crapped-on in the finale. It's as bad as the typical bait-and-switch that producers end up doing for finales anyway - doing what I call the Hawkeye Pierce on characters. Ugh. Ugh ugh ugh. - Hookuh Tinypants
Couple more media takes: Linda Holmes: , James Poniewozik: , Todd VanDerWerff: - Andrew C (✔)
What I probably find most offensive is the amount of character development of the past few seasons that the finale just tossed out the window. - Jed
Even the penultimate episode was retroactively trashed by the finale! - Andrew C (✔)
I stopped watching shortly after they pulled the stunt with Sarah Chalke earlier in the show, because as much as an unreliable narrator can sometimes be fun, it felt more like they just wanted to screw with the audience. This feels like a bigger FU than that. I wonder how many people who would have bought sets of the show won't? Or how it will effect their syndication? - Jennifer Dittrich
Can I be the guy who likes the ending? I'm that guy. - Eric - Let Me Know from iPhone
you aren't the only one, Eric. there are others of us out there. - holly #ravingfangirl
@Jennifer - not just syndication -- they've got the spinoff/spiritual sequel "How I Met Your Dad" to launch this fall. It won't star Milioti nor be about how The Mother met Ted Mosby, but..... a lot of diehard HIMYM fans probably aren't going to jump on to the next one if they felt betrayed by this one. - Andrew C (✔)
Ah, that's right - I'd forgotten about that. It'll be interesting to see if people are willing to give it another go, or if they're feeling too burned. I mean, there was a lot that I liked about the show, and they had fantastic casting. - Jennifer Dittrich
I am in the camp of being less likely to check out HIMYD. - Jed
Drew Tarver is an immensely funny guy; I'd check out HIMYD just for him... but I don't need another long con show. - Andrew C (✔)
Yeah, I was surprised to hear about the "spin-off". That ship has already long since sailed IMO. Time for something fresh. - Hookuh Tinypants
"Haaaaave you met Ted?" Goodbye "How I Met Your Mother".
"Love is the best thing we do." --Ted, "How I Met Your Mother"
I finally watched last week's episode of Community: "Advanced Advanced Dungeons and Dragons". It was good, but the original "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons" episode from season two was much better. I was entertained, but it didn't have the emotional oomph of the original.
Andrew C (✔)
We Got A Copy Of The Script For "Alice In Arabia" And It's Exactly What Critics Feared -
"[ABC Family] protested that the project shouldn't be judged on a brief synopsis, but a script for the show's pilot -- obtained by BuzzFeed from an industry source -- is likely to confirm early fears. At one point, the heroine generically describes Muslim social views -- the opposition to drinking, for instance -- as "extreme." The script also describes veiled Muslim women as "completely formless, anonymous." One sympathetic female character, in describing her lavish Riyadh home, lauds it as "worth having to wear a silly veil while outside."" - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
"The show has some departures from the standard template. The heroine is half Saudi, and sees herself as a "good Muslim girl" -- not the blonde Christian victim more typical of the genre. But it broadly plays on a familiar narrative of a beautiful girl kidnapped from the United States by sinister Arabs, held against her will in the desert, and threatened with early marriage." - Andrew C (✔)
"The Saudi record on women's rights is in fact atrocious, but the script focuses less on that society's internal struggle than on a simple dichotomy between the identities "American" and "Muslim." Nearly every devoutly Muslim character opposes American ideals, and vice versa. One character refers to Alice's mixed identity as "half Jew-loving monkey." Abu Hamza describes America as a... more... - Andrew C (✔)
This from a person who spent her NSA years in Saudi Arabia where she swore she loved and respected the culture. This is about the level of respect I expected from her. Same as it ever was. - Anika
Andrew C (✔)
BTW, I may not have raved enough about it on FF, but Broad City on Comedy Central, Rick and Morty on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim, and Brooklyn Nine-Nine on Fox are my top three new sitcoms this year, and the first two - maybe B99 as well - are brilliant enough to be in the list of best sitcoms this year.
Andrew C (✔)
"I'm happy to report that "easy" is not a word I would apply to Hannibal, not in the conception, not in the production, and certainly not in the watching. Though it's adapted from well-known material, not a frame of it is familiar. In fact, it's safe to say there is absolutely nothing remotely like Hannibal on television. I mean this with equal amounts of praise and gratitude: I'm not sure either I or the medium could survive much more." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
"NBC, to its credit, hasn't blinked at the gore [...] but it has wept over the ratings: They're lousy. [...] It's a shame. Because while television doesn't need more shows like Hannibal, it definitely needs Hannibal. [...] It's ironic that the franchise most responsible for all the pervasive tropes of serial killers -- the evil-genius-speechifying; the backwoods creepazoids; the fucking antlers -- has also provided the first essential take on it in years. " - Andrew C (✔)
Confession: Even though it probably limped along for two seasons too long, I'm going to hate to see "How I Met Your Mother" go.
"Community" viewers: We're halfway through the new season. Assessment? I obviously think it's better than last season. It's not quite to the level of seasons 1-3, but, considering the cast changes and upheavals, I think the show is back on its feet. Really enjoying it.
Andrew C (✔)
Grantland Reality TV Fantasy League: A 'Challenge'-Shaped Life Raft in a Sea of Juan Pablocalypses « -
Grantland Reality TV Fantasy League: A 'Challenge'-Shaped Life Raft in a Sea of Juan Pablocalypses «
"Everyone hates Juan Pablo. I get it. On Monday's live After the Final Rose special, we all saw the unedited, unfiltered Juan Pablo, and the entire human race turned on him. He gave us plenty of reasons. There were many worrisome revelations about his relationship with Nikki, his relationship with Clare, and his relationship with "people behind computers," but the most shocking disclosure came before the after-show during the actual finale, when his mother was chatting with Nikki:" - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
"Juan Pablo's Mother: "You want me to tell you how it is going to be?" Nikki: "How?" Juan Pablo's Mother: "He wakes up, takes breakfast, OK? And stays at home watching TV with the family or with Camila, or watching TV with you if you are the one, that's it. He is very simple."" - Andrew C (✔)
"WAIT WAIT WAIT ... this dude watches TV all weekend? Like, ALL WEEKEND? We know Juan Pablo has no social tact, might be kind of bigoty, and has the self-awareness of an earthworm ... and THIS is what his mother is warning her future daughter-in-law about? This guy must really watch a lot of TV. " - Andrew C (✔)
"Imagine you're on an island with your prospective wife, and she asks you what life together will be like. Why would you basically say: "I'm not sure what your life will be like, but I will be in my office watching TV"? Just why? It cracks me up. What woman would get engaged to this man? What woman listens to that and says: "Perfect. Exactly what I was looking for in a life partner"?... more... - Andrew C (✔)
"As if the whole "You know if you marry this dude he's going to watch TV all day, right?" thing from his own mother wasn't enough to make Nikki completely reconsider getting engaged to this guy, Juan Pablo's cousin made sure to ask BOTH women this: "Something that happens with Juan Pablo you should be aware of is, when things get rough, he is willing to walk away. You have to hold on to the relationship, or are you one of the persons that walks away at the first signs of problems?"" - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew C (✔)
In Ridiculous Stunt, Adult Swim Premieres 'Rick and Morty' Episode on Instagram in 100-Plus Video Clips | Variety -
"Adult Swim, the programming block on Turner's Cartoon Network, has posted the entire half-hour episode online on the Rick and Morty Instagram account. But it's cut up into more than 100 clips to meet the Instagram limits of posting video clips of 15 seconds or less -- making this more of a publicity stunt than a lagniappe to the show's budding fanbase." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
Lagniappe. Good word. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
I'm over a third of the way through this already. - Andrew C (✔)
OK, finished it. It's an amazing episode, maybe the best R&M yet. - Andrew C (✔)
Also, anyone who wants to watch it on a computer, just press the right arrow key to advance to the next clip. - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew C (✔)
How To Launch (Or Save) A TV Show In 2014 -
How To Launch (Or Save) A TV Show In 2014
"However, contrary to a popular theory, Lawrence doesn't believe audience apathy is to blame for the failure of so many new shows, and instead suggests that the cause is audience ignorance. "I don't think shows are rejected as much as they're simply not breaking through," he said. "The climate is not friendly to awareness, which is an odd new thing that I experienced with Ground Floor. That was a 10-episode order, and on my own Twitter feed, people I assume are fans of my work because they follow me would ask when the show was starting. That killed me because it had been on for the last nine weeks and I talked about it every day."" - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
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‘True Detective’: Where Things Stand with Season 2 | Variety -
‘True Detective’: Where Things Stand with Season 2 | Variety
"Now that the mystery of the Yellow King is solved, “True Detective” fans are turning their attention to figuring out the path for the show’s journey to season two. At present, creator Nic Pizzolatto is said to be hunkered down writing scripts for the second season at his home in a picturesque area of Ventura County. HBO execs have said they intend to order a second season of the anthology series, which will return with new characters and a new mystery to unravel. Speculation about the possible casting for the next batch of episodes is running rampant online, but those in the know say the plan is to wait until a script or two is completed before going out to actors. As for the focus of the second season, Pizzolatto has been mostly mum but he dropped a good-sized hint in an interview following Sunday’s finale with Hitfix’s Alan Sepinwall. “This is really early, but I’ll tell you (it’s about) hard women, bad men and the secret occult history of the United States transportation system,”... more... - Bluesun 2600 from Bookmarklet
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