Here’s something devilishly brilliant: The Huffington Post applies A/B testing to some of its headlines. Readers are randomly shown one of two headlines for the same story. After five minutes, which is enough time for such a high-traffic site, the version with the most clicks becomes the wood that everyone sees.
- James Dutton
Anything like this at all for the PC.
- Mark Wolvin
It get's my highest praise, "Doesn't suck."
- Steve Feinstein
ok, im amazed. just correctly corrected 162 out of 170 tracks with "track xyz" as their title.
- Jamie
Addons like this, and programs like Coda, are the things pulling me toward buying an iMac. Just can't get myself to do it yet.
- Andres
I don't get how you can get your iTunes library in such a state: http://polluxapp.com/Screens... Without using this app, my iTunes library has all the necessary metadata, and I didn't make any effort to have it like that.
- Paul Grav
Anything similar on windows, on iTunes or foobar or winamp or anything? I'd like to see a program that has a "search for year info on Wikipedia" option. Actually, why isn't there an app where I can manually correct track info on my iPhone while I'm listening and have the corrections sync back?
- Chuck Kahn
Paul, mainly by downloading music illegally from places like Kazaa (is that even around anymore?) and torrents.
- Akiva Moskovitz
from BuddyFeed
It may be a coincidence, but I sent this link to my husband and when he tried to download the application he had to force quit Safari and it triggered all kinds of virus messages! He said he was not willing to try to duplicate the problem!
- Ginger Campbell, MD
So, don't run this on compilation/greatest hits albums, unless you want the songs retagged to the original albums.
- Demian Johnston
@Chuck Kahn - A cross platform (albeit more complex) tagger is Jaikox - http://www.jthink.net/jaikoz/ I've been using it on the Mac for about a year, much more complicated - and not free... but it works.
- Christopher Aloi
I liked it until it ended up misidentifying a great deal of songs, now I have to take the time to manually edit them back. Or just break out the CDs and rip them all over again. It can't tell the difference between tracks from a live album versus their studio recorded counterparts. It gets an E for effort.
- Bryan K Erickson
It also gets in this state if you were managing music well before iTunes came to PC.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
from iPhone
When I used to do stuff in Windows, I used MP3Tag.
- Akiva Moskovitz
This app worked perfect for me. Well done!
- Mike Shulman
Gonna try it now ... [edit] Not bad, but made too many mistakes for me to unleash it on the rest of my library.
- Timothy Griffin
I downloaded it and it did not do anything.
- Kelly J
@Kelly J: You need to highlight some songs in iTunes and then click "Tag selected iTunes tracks".
- 321
Very cool idea, but I have tried it on two albums and it got one song wrong both times. It also hasn't grabbed lyrics on any song I've tried so far, and that was main reason for trying it. All my stuff is tagged properly already. Any apps that just grab the lyrics?
- Justin Luey
...well, it is 'beta' software, or has that label lost all meaning these days?
- .LAG liked that
I think some of the data it uses is a bit suspect. One artist, two versions of the same song but different lengths, and they're classed as being from the same album. What's with the lyrics bit - where do they appear?
- Mike Caine
Wow, how many times have I wished jerks came with a label so I could tell they were jerks without having to talk to them...it sounds like some wishes DO come true!
- vicster is...
@Vicster - that reminds me, I should get an Ed Hardy hoodie.
- Andrew C
"The iPhone crowd has turned into an anti-AT&T mob. Spend 30 seconds on Twitter or perform even the most basic search for iPhone and AT&T information and you're sure to run into some serious rancor from disgusted iPhone users across the country. While the exclusive partnership between Cupertino and the Dallas teleco has never been perfect, user hostility has lately been at a fevered pitch. In February of this year, prominent blogger Om Malik announced he was "breaking up" with his iPhone. "I love my iPhone -- but AT&T's network has failed me. Apparently I'm not alone. If you follow me on Twitter, then you know how often I complain about it; my complaints always result in me receiving similar messages of frustration from other iPhone users. A status update on my Facebook page on the topic unleashed a flood of messages from people expressing abhorrence of AT&T's service.""
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
How is it that there are places in San Francisco where I can literally get no iternet service on my iPhone from AT&T? No 3G, No Edge, No nothing. Or why is it that when driving over the Bay Bridge my wife's 3G phone shows a 3G signal but my newer fancier 3GS phone defaults to Edge in the exact same vehicle? AT&T's service sucks. Having to reboot your phone just to get it to try and get a better signal is frustrating as hell as much as I love my iPhone.
- Thomas Hawk
Because as I've said several times before, AT&T doesn't have the infrastructure in place in most areas. They are still working on upgrading their own and Cingular's old infrastructure. Last year when talking to AT&T engineers, most of them said that they use T-Mobile or Sprint at their main phone. One client tends to switch to whatever carrier he's working for at the time. He's been a contractor for AT&T for a year and is very disappointed. He has no coverage within 30 miles of his house.
- Admiral Anika
One of the biggest WTF moments in telecom was when Apple announced the partnership with AT&T. It wasn't just that the infrastructure wasn't there, it was who won the contract nationwide. Trade magazines predicted users would be upset within the first year because of this, while touting the phone at the same time. Even at the beginning of this year, RCR (now defunct) had articles urging...
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- Admiral Anika
But, I will say that I'm kind of shocked that service in the Bay Area is lacking. One person I tried to get work from a couple of years ago said they were doing a huge build-out up there and that SF would be the first major city with full AT&T 3G service.
- Admiral Anika
I lose all AT&T service at my office at least twice a day. That's the main reason I'm not upgrading my first generation iPhone right now. I'm holding out as long as I can in the hope that Apple will open up the phone to other providers.
- vicster is...
If Verizon can get the iPhone under their roof, I'll switch back over in a second.
- Justin Korn
I haven't had any trouble with my ATT service since switching, but once my contract is up, I very well may go back to T-Mobile. I didn't have any problems with them, and their plans were cheaper, with better customer service.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Verizon will never get the iPhone until Apple decides to change the chip in the phones. Verizon's network runs on the CDMA system rather than the GSM system that AT&T is currently using. So for all of you out there hoping and praying for Verizon to get the iPhone, you might as well wake up from the dream, because I don't see apple changing the chips any time soon or Verizon going to the...
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- Wizetux
Changing the chip in the phone would not be a big deal in my opinion. Many phones on the verizon network are world phones. Which means they will run on GSM or CDMA why could apple not adopt such a chip and then just make one phone for everyone.
- Zach Scott
I just wonder if AT&T could do anything to improve reception in SF. Why doesn't Apple exert more pressure on AT&T to create a better experience for their customers? It's particularly bad along the waterfront.
- Thomas Hawk
@Zach: many of those phones have dual band chips in them. It has been told that it would only cost Apple an extra 5 cents per phone to have a dual band chip put into the phones, but that would also require Apple to change the production method that they have add in place for the last 3 years. And if I had to guess, it is part of the AT&T / Apple agreement that the phones would not be...
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- Wizetux
@Thomas: it would probably mean that AT&T would have to put in more towers in the SF area. But if I had to guess, no one want's those towers in their backyard or they would take away from the beauty of the waterfront area so the city won't allow them to put them in.
- Wizetux
More towers sound good to me. I love photographing Towers. The Sutro Tower is one of my favorite things to shoot in SF.
- Thomas Hawk
You have to keep in mind that it's also a long process that includes approval form the the landlord & city. A long process from finding a city to actually building it. We work on a small part of that process and sites are often finally built 6 - 12 mos. *after* we've done our part. One AT&T site (upgrading Cingular stuff) we worked on at the beginning of April first started in July '06. we just got it back because the structure changed. If it's upgraded by the end of the year, it will be a surprise.
- Admiral Anika
Yes, AT&T is in trouble, even though Apple just reported that iPhone sales were up 600+% in Q3 2009. Clearly, the iPhone mob—made up of a small subset of Twitter's estimated tiny userbase of 10-15 million users—has taken to the streets with pithforks and fires.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
Yeah, it doesn't seem to be stopping a whole lot of people from buying them.
- Bill Kinney
Ugh I'm so tired of hearing how much the AT&T network stinks when the only people I hear complaining is the SF metro area people. :P
- Nate Pilling
Just seems like the big metro areas are echo chambers. :P I'm surprised AT&T doesn't have indestructable networks in place in those areas simply because of that fact.
- Nate Pilling
I live in the Twin Cities and I've never once heard any of my Iphone toting friends complain about the AT&T Network here.
- Bill Kinney
from email
Nate, it does seem repetitive, but it just boggles my mind that I can be in San Francisco, a large tech heavy city and literally get no service. That really sucks. Maybe AT&T needs to think about blanket wifing small highly concentrated urban areas if they can't keep up with the usage and need to take some pressure off their 3G network in heavy use locations.
- Thomas Hawk
I guess it doesn't help that the tech podcasts I listen to are all out of the SF area. I agree, it is very strange, but there are a proportionally large number of iPhone users there, it makes sense. Still, it gets a little old. Plus I'm feeling really grumpy right now, so hey. ;)
- Nate Pilling
I've honestly never had any problems in Orlando. The case for my iPhone (incase power slider) seems to cause some reception issues because of the extra battery, but it's always been snappy, even on edge.
- Ryan Massie
I love my iphone. There were a couple of things that we were disappointed with in the beginning such as downloading pictures I think from another phone or something and they said the app would not be available until August. We did get the 16G and at the time Wal-mart did not have them out on display because they said there were some things that were not ready but we wanted the 16g so it...
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- Tricia Edwards
Nate - In PA most of the time (all over). Stayed with Verizon and the so-called 'non-smart' (this cracks me up) LG Env Touch because AT&T doesn't come close to the coverage in the areas where I am. Not an iPhone but very cool and social apps built-in with a growing Verizon app store in the offing. AT&T was clearly not ready for this. LG makes a solid product in this space.
- Charlie Anzman
I've been whining about this for well over a year... (and Anika has been offering some great insight into what's really going on - lord knows, AT&T won't admit they have a problem or give any honest info). Here in coastal LA (Venice) I get 3G about 20% of the time; EDGE about 60%; GPRS about 20%. That'd be bad enough even without the crappy call quality/dropped calls, terrible...
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- Anthony Citrano
Maybe someone needs to map the "no service" areas... at least in the SF area... if there were an iPhone app, this could easily be done by all the users. Save the GPS data, then upload to the map when internet service is restored...
- Paula W
We had a lot of trouble in our old apartment fairly close in Chicago, but it was a solid brick building built around or before the turn of the 20th century. The building itself is practically a dead zone. In our new place in the Jefferson Park neighborhood, AT&T and 3G are stellar. Sometimes it's less about sheer network performance and more about the building materials you're buried under.
- David Chartier
I had HUGE problems with dropped calls in my suburban NJ location. I called AT&T weekly and finally got a callback from their networking department saying my problem was resolved. My bars went up and my number of dropped calls went down to almost none. In fact, I can even get calls in my basement which didn't happen at all before. My advice is to call often until you are satisfied. The squeaky wheel...
- sean808080
I wonder if there is an issue with the newer IPhones and the network. I rarely have an issue with my 1st generation IPhone. AT&T does need to do something to get people happy with our service again.
- ChiliMac
@ChiliMac Anika can probably answer that better, but it's not that complicated: AT&T simply does not have a national 3G network. They are far behind their competitors. Think of it in terms of supply vs. demand. Their core "supply" of 3G bandwidth is lower than probably any of their competitors (especially in big markets). Yet the demand is skyrocketing for several obvious reasons, not the least of which is market penetration of 3G devices such as the iPhone 3G and 3GS.
- Anthony Citrano
AT&T is pretty much the way to go in the middle of America. Verison is so-so and Sprint is about useless.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Robert - I guess it depends on where you live. In the Minneapolis/St Paul area, all three networks are about even, and TMobile's not bad either.
- Bill Kinney
from email
We have Rogers and Fido, which is way better then at&t. Go Canada (sometimes)
- Zachary TG
@Zach, except that we have to pay thru the nose just to get a data plan at all. Ugh. We need another carrier (not just another rebadge like Koodo or a reseller like Virgin) up here to force Telus, Rogers and Bell to fight to the bottom.
- Matt Mastracci
If AT&T was able to support half of the phone that they have on their network it would be different, but I drive 52 miles on the interstate one way every day... and I drop calls at least 4 times on the road... Maybe one day AT&T will have some competition for the iPhone and will have to do something to the network to keep people happy. But if Verizon was to get any type of iPhone I would cancel my AT&T and pay my cancellation fee before the press release from Verizon could get cold.
- Thomas
I would love to see you develop that post on privacy concerns. we're finding public corporations are jumping in to social interaction, despite legal/IT, even for PR.
- Jason Kintzler
You have to ask yourself... Am I putting my store front on main street or the back forty?
- Dustin
On the web each has a chance to find its niche audience
- Chris Saad
Am I the only one who thinks it's presumptuous that people want to "connect" with corporations?
- Scott Kiekbusch
People want to connect with PEOPLE - and Corporations are just a group of people
- Chris Saad
MG: it's true, you've really raised TechCrunch to a whole new level. If Arrington has one good attribute it's he hires great people. Heather Harde, FTW!
- Robert Scoble
so true, most folks i talked to switch to other carriers due to all the dropped calls
- suscraig
This is true, MG is the main reason I haven't scraped TC completely off my reader, only subscribe to his feed and occasionally hit the front page to see what controversy the rest are starting.
- Jimminy Fuller
yeah definitely true. I've been reading TC for a while and lots of people there do a great job. But I've come to expect that if I'm reading something really good and of interest to me, it was probably written by MG
- Chris Brakebill
Though I still hold a slight grudge against his Lakers fandom, but I can't blame you for the Magic's shortcomings....
- Chris Brakebill
best writer on staff, whatever mike is paying sarah he should give to MG and more
- sean percival
MG: anytime you do something interesting you gather both fans and haters. Screw the haters.
- Robert Scoble
yay, keep praising him and someday he might do what every popstar does when they become bigger than the team|band|whatever: go solo. mgcrunch.com is avaiable, go get it MG :)
- Diego Sana
MG always does great work. On target and aimed in the right direction.
- Ken Camp
MG's headlines beat the pants off anyone else's headlines.
- Matt Cutts
agree wholeheartedly with you, Robert! MG's writing has made great reading of late and his output has been pretty prolific too! Keep it up, MG :)
- Matt Hooper
thanks again guys, always nice to be appreciated - especially when you're at home on a sat night working :)
- MG Siegler
AT&T sucks around SoCal. Seems they are now hanging out in more bars in more places. =P
- RAD Moose
I like him too, I once said so, but he didn't thank me! But I am a nobody :D
- Mark
I guess if you write 12 posts a day you should be appreciated. Thumbs up!
- Nir Ben Yona
Naa he does write mostly good posts and they don't contain 20 links to other techcrunch articles as citations usually.
- Mark
I wish in real life you could cite your own work as evidence in a piece of academic work, it would make life so much easier :D
- Mark
Hey Robert check this link out, this might be important for the 2010 Web (or Real-Time Web, or Web 3.0) on a purely TECHNICAL basis http://bit.ly/MGTechCrunch
- Mark
I agree so much with these compliments. Always was a fan of TC, but really MG has taken it to the next level. Consistently great stories on a daily basis. If I had to complain about anything, it would be that you guys are starting to get close to TOO many posts a day.
- Daniel Zarick
I'm admittedly not very techy and don't read Tech Crunch with the exception of the the things that MG Siegler writes and posts to his feed here on FF.
- Derrick
wow, this mob is getting out of control! - quick scoble, disable the comments before we hurt some feelings! :-)
- Chris Heath
"The results of this year's Zagat's Fast Food Survey are in and Wendy's is the top "Mega-Chain" (over 5,000 outlets) and In-N-Out burger the best large chain (up to 5,000). When asked which outlet had the best burger regardless of number of locations — In-N-Out came in first with Wendy's at #2." - DUH!
- Live4Emma (L4S)
from Bookmarklet
it's the one thing i miss for sure... Double-Double, Animal Style... *sigh*
- Live4Emma (L4S)
what are some other names for their burgers?
- Cee Bee
Cee Bee The burgers are just Single (hamburger or cheeseburger--most just order that), Double, Triple, Double-Double, Quad..http://www.in-n-out.com/secretm... Also, I was told that say ordering a Doulbe meant you get two patties and one slice of cheese, whereas a Double-Double is two patties and two slices of cheese. A Quad is 4 patties and a 4x4 is 4 patties with 4 slices of cheese.
- Admiral Anika
you can also get 4x4, 5x5, 6x6, etc... :-D
- Live4Emma (L4S)
I've never been to In-n-Out. My favorite burgers are Five Guys.
- Alan Simpson
Alan, as I said back in Feb. when we had our Five Guys meetup, I'd take INO burgers over Five Guys any day. Five Guys wins out in the fries dept.
- Admiral Anika
Never had an In N Out burger, despite being on the west coast twice. Can someone take me?
- Mike Nayyar
I'll take you Mike, but you have to promise not stare at my boobs or butt. ;P
- Admiral Anika
Anika, I will keep an open mind and not argue for Five Guys until I some day get to try In N Out. I do love Five Guys fries.
- Alan Simpson
Perfect matchup would be INO burgers and Five Guys fries. That might be my last meal prior to be executed.
- Derrick
Have you committed a violent crime recently, Derrick?
- Mike Nayyar
In-N-Out is truly the best. Fatburger is good but nit good enough in my opinion. how about the protein burger (lettuce wrapped)? Mmmmmmm!
- Sean Simkins
Really, Sean? In-N-Out better than Fatburger? I'm a bit stunned.
- Michael R. Bernstein
"Google Translator Toolkit is a new tool being launched today to help translators organize their work and benefit from shared translations, glossaries and translation memories"
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
I implemented translation memory, etc, for FriendFeed's translation system. Wonder if we can use this easily for our next round of translations. No time to look into it this week, but if anyone outside of Google uses it, let me know how easy it is to integrate with external projects.
- Bret Taylor
Bret, I'm not entirely convinced by the translation interface. And depending on the format of your source files, it might not be suitable at all. Unless I'm missing something here, something really important to note is that there's currently no way to download or export your TM from Google Translator Toolkit. If that is indeed the case, I can't imagine they'll get away with that for very long though.
- Tony Ruscoe
from fftogo
I still find it easier to translate using trados on word. Old habits die hard..But given enough time, we might say bye bye to trados and its €xxxx license fees..(Lacks .xls and xml support right now)
- Kenan Atalay
"Manny Ramirez has tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs and will be suspended 50 games starting today, The Times has learned. The test result and suspension is expected to be announced later today."
- Richard Lawler
from Bookmarklet
Not liking because I'm happy about it. Was sorry to see Manny leave the Sox. But happy that this didn't happen while he was there. Still really sux for baseball.
- Kevin Pedraja
I just saw him play in SF. Amazing long drives (yes, I play golf) but still, sad.
- anna sauce
Also, I knew a Dodgers team dominating the NL was too good to be true. Thanks a bunch, Manny.
- Chieze Okoye
Robert -- while not a one place checklist, visit http://forums.digitalpoint.com/. I've implemented some of their recommendations thus far and I feel like it's already making a difference.
- Aanarav Sareen
I've recently heard Google changed their algorithm, plus with aggregating sites indexing for us (FriendFeed, Facebook, Twitter), there are many outlets and methods of people reaching our media -- that is, if we remember to segregate to keep various audiences interested. ie: staying away from ping.fm like services.
- Mona Nomura
I'll let other folks suggest additional outside info. There's everything from Eric Goldman who talks about legal aspects of search http://blog.ericgoldman.org/ to SEO by the Sea http://www.seobythesea.com/ which talks about patents related to SEO/SEM/search. It's a really broad field. It's almost like asking "What are some good sources for information about blogging?" :)
- Matt Cutts
What a timely question Robert :) I'm just studying up on this whole subject for my own site, and didn't really know where to start. Nice
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
"Does anyone have a good checklist?" We wrote an SEO beginner's guide at http://googlewebmastercentral.... that I proofread before it went live. You can also do searches like [wordpress seo guide] and there are several good resources in the search results.
- Matt Cutts
Mona, Yes. something like 90% of all traffic starts with a search engine, so unless you are a destination site ,you rely on search to send your traffice. There are times when RSS Subs can be more valuable, like when you are doing loyalty building, but generally NEW users are finding you through a social media or through search. More people are in search than social media..Ergo its still relevant
- Brandon Wirtz
Aanarav, I would recommend some caution regarding Digital Point. Some of the more aggressive stuff that gets pitched in corners of DP can get you in trouble.
- Matt Cutts
Matt: this went to Twitter too. I have good PR's on both friendfeed and Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
What about excellent content? Is that still important? I mean, useful material for human beings? Shouldn't that be well ranked by search engines? And of course, a usable and web standards compliant site.
- Alexis Bellido
Thanks for this list. It finally showed me that value of FriendFeed over Twitter and Facebook. Good answers. Rock on. :-)
- Martin Seibert
I just want to mark this for building43 which I just did with this comment. Oh, I wish I had invisible comments to add metadata/metatags to items like this.
- Robert Scoble
Leather: I never liked delicious. It isn't setup to have a conversation like what happened here.
- Robert Scoble
www.SEOmoz.org, www.SEObook.com , www.SEOquake.com and also www.webpagefx.com is quite useful.
- Hayk H.
As Alexis Bellido says, "a usable and web standards compliant site." I recommend http://www.w3.org for brushing up on the compliance side of things (even if it gets a bit technical). It's the standards by which the web runs, from the horses mouth, so to speak.
- David August
You may want to try #Neil_Patel & his #Quick_Sprout outfit http://www.quicksprout.com/about... See his post: "How to Optimize Your Blog for Search Engines" http://bit.ly/JeXq1 - informative & good free advice. I've been digging into this subject myself for the benefit of a product one of my companies is incubating and this chap and his firm keeps rising to the top of my list. I am also fairly certain that he will advise you for free in return for a good word to your "subjects" ;) @AAinslie
- Alexander Ainslie
This post and more importanly the timeline of the replies are in and of themselves useful as a measure of which SEO/SEOm firms are paying attention online. Not that this is an automatic measure of capability or quality, but you gotta question how good any site is that doesn't link drop on this particular post, be it a self drop or otherwise, given who the author was/is. I*'m, amazed there haven't been more. This might be tell us a thing or two about FF and the SEO community.
- Eric Ward
Just a comment regarding Digital Point, they commonly recommend greyhat/blackhat techniques, and offer lots of stupid stuff for a price. The same advice can be had for free on BlackHatWorld.com. Information wants to be free. ;)
- Lee Ingram
http://www.seobook.com with Aaron I rate highly, digital-point is probably a good place for short term success on splogs but nothing sustainable long term for a proper business.
- Mark Edmondson
Eric, thanks for your offerings. I think that maybe the lack of SEO people here may be down to the fact that we are all working hard implementing all these techniques for our clients. There are plenty of SEO companies who merely do the work, rather than write down what they are doing and share with the rest. http://dragonsearchmarketing.com/blog... , the shop I work at part time is running really hard right now, with 3 new hires in the last 2 months.
- Mark Zip
As to the reflection on the Ff community, perhaps that is because FF is bleeding edge and most work in the trenches of SEO is being done short of the bleeding edge, where there are more "regular" folks.
- Mark Zip
Just joined StomperNet . Not a plug as I am still new with them (1 Week) http://stomping2.com/ and would like to know how others view them. They provide very detailed info through video. Seem to have an impressive staff on board. They are a paid subscription but think it is worth it so far. Would especially like to hear what Matt Cutts has to say about them. Should I cancel my subsription or not?
- Jonathan
Jonathan: I know some of the StomperNet folks, they are very smart.
- Robert Scoble
It does feel special to be using this service and be so connected in such a varitey of topics. Just tried the similar search (after reading comments on Matt Cutts ff) and did my usual search to see how a system works. http://similar-images.googlelabs.com/images... Need to get more non naked pics going :)
- Jonathan
Jonathan, that would be a longer conversation than the FF textbox has room for.
- Matt Cutts
SEOMoz is good, Seobook is good, I would also recommend WebmasterWorld as well. Supporters area on WebmasterWorld has some of the best minds hanging out there...
- Bill Hartzer
"Similar Images allows you to search for images using pictures rather than words. Click the "Similar images" link under an image to find other images that look like it. Try a search of your own or click on an example below."
- Atul Arora
from Bookmarklet
@Ruud, I'm on a campaign to figure out what "semantic web" means. Can you help? Because some people say it has to do with markup (microformats, RDFa, etc.). Some people say it has to do with "understanding natural language." Some people say Google doesn't do it today. So, can you help me?
- Daniel Dulitz
"Are you a big fan of hash tags? Or are you wild about boolean searches? Do you find yourself reverting back to "Run DOS Run" instead of just typing and talking like a human being often online? Despite billions of dollars of investment and a plethora of companies trying to develop natural language (especially in search), we still have a long way to go."
- Chris Messina
from Mento
This is mainly a UI issue I think. You can find almost anything if you use all the filters available (AND,OR,+,-,filter:,""), it's just that they're annoying to type and remember for most. If the app developer put a UI in front of the typical search box and *not* called it 'Advanced Search', it would help guide the user to a more successful search.
- Mohamed J
Internets are 30 years old, WWW is getting older than our school children. We got the world plastered in tags for six years now (thanks to Flickr and Delicious). And Web Marketers along with "Social Media Experts" don't get what "metadata" is. Still. Makes us all sad.
- Urbansheep
Who says the human language is the most expressive one? While I believe that natural language recognition *will* improve I also bet that we'll adapt to "machine languages", too.
- Fabian Neumann
Humans don't generally speak in 140 character bursts, to be fair.
- David Young
And your alternative for indexing groups, movements, thoughts, behaviors in 140 characters would be?
- Gregg Scott
Machines are some of the nicest people I know. Don't be a hater :-)
- Todd Hoff
Hashtags are underrated and over-maligned here. Machines should not be expected with <140 chars to classify a half-baked thought into a meaningful meme that fits into a hierarchical structure. Hashtags may not always be necessary but they can be useful for top-down content organization.
- Ryan Miller
Used judiciously, hashtags can be very useful indeed as I found myself when I got encouraged to live tweet 2 Pharma meetings many of my friends wanted to follow easily but couldn't attend.
- Sally Church
The machines help us to promote our messages (tag oriented services). Until all machines are configured to do otherwise, I'll still speak to the machines.
- KyleHase
from twhirl
Why not talk the native language? If I'm in France, what should I speak? I do a lot of (non-union) light work for theatres. If I tell the director that a lamp has blown, they fear they lost a piece of equipment that costs several hundreds of dollars. I constantly have to remind myself to use "non-technical" theatre terms in a theatre environment. (lamp==light bulb for most people.) Ever talk to a musician? Won't go into anything else. What you define as language can also be as slang or technical language...
- Todd Zaba
When machines understand human language, they'll decide we're primitive and kill us all. Fact. :P
- Bwana ☠
When people evolve to the point that they can aggregate masses of information and recall it at will, I'll take Jeremiah's request more seriously. Until then, I will continue to follow his primitive tweets.
- jcunwired
To all you friendfeeders who tell me to create lists and filters: No! I'm busy and therefore lazy. I want a system that will learn from me, rather than me having to teach it. What say you?
Jeremiah: I just want to share my lists with you. That way I can do the hard work and you can be lazy. :-)
- Robert Scoble
jeremiah - i started w/ lists when they first were offered by friendfeed awhile ago, i view it as one of its strongest features, great way to categorization those whose presence you follow, then i drop in and out of interactivity based on my availability :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
robert - it would be nice to share lists, i also miss the ability to expand lists which went away in the beta
- mike "glemak" dunn
mike: all the old features better come back before they move the beta over to the real site. I am finding some of these little missing things very frustrating.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still not using lists. Filters are great, and very easy.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
That's why I'm using filters that other people have created. I don't have to do the work, and I still get to use it.
- Elizabeth Parmeter
The problem then would be that you, or others, would complain that the system is "learning incorrectly" and giving you what you don't want. A little effort is always necessary to achieve refined customization.
- Nathan Chase
Eric: the best thing I ever did here was create a list. The signal level there is 100x better than my "everyone" list.
- Robert Scoble
I don't understand: if anyone else were making this statement, or if it were about anything else (say, email and folders) no one would be offering to make his email folders for him. No one would say email should learn from him.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
FF does learn from you; that's what FoF is; but to expect it to do it all independent of effort (or even at least trying prepackaged filters)???? I suppose some people really are fans of getting exercise vicariously too, but I don't understand them either.
- David HC Soul
Jeremiah, Facebook's old model did this. It quasi-intelligently took many variables into account (many of them user-tweakable through customization) and displayed the old (pre-Friendfeed clone) Home page... taking into account the things users liked, disliked, geographic regions, and I'm sure many other factors that are undisclosed. Yet, Facebook (for the worse, IMHO) has abandoned this model in favor of the "drink from the fire hose" model of twitter.
- tollie williams
I'm too lazy to read all the comments. Scoble will you summarize?
- Jeremiah Owyang
Owyang: Do you have a toilet integrated with your lazy-boy, by chance?
- coldbrew
Coldbrew, if you revealed your real name, do you think your attitude will change to a non-sucky one? You're really rude.
- Mona Nomura
Johnny Worthington's consulting services are required here. He educated me on these manners. I now have a pretty decent system going!
- Mike Nayyar
But the point is, list / filter creations should not be complicated. Most users are too lazy. And I agree with Jeremiah.
- Mona Nomura
<- Frustrated that this thread is rehashing the first thread. Building a sub list and [Like]ing items is plenty of effort in and of itself to inform a BoD list. The current FF "lists" feature is great but doesn't need to be a prerequisite for useful Best of Day content.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel - I didn't understand any of that LOL
- Mona Nomura
Mona - Jeremiah doesn't want to do *more* work (i.e. creating lists). He's already implicitly agreed to the work of subscribing to FFers and clicking [Like] on the occasional FF item. That body of work should be more than enough for an intelligent FriendFeed Best of Day recommendation engine to give him the news he needs. Lists are great for completely separate reasons and while they provide a workaround to the Best of Day problem they are not an excuse for shortcomings of the Best of Day page.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Seriously, you are looking for something like a complex learning algorithm similar to Amazon's recommendation engine
- AJ Batac
FTR I agree with Jeremiah as well. I'm just playing devils advocate. Jeremiah is the least lazy of almost anyone I know.
- Jesse Stay
It's not an easy problem AJ, just an obvious one. Surely you think Paul et al are up to the task...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I agree, but I seem to be in a minority. I think people should be categorized for me. Either by the system or my their own choosing. If I disagree with where they put themselves, I can make modifications after the fact.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Daniel, agree. I'm sure Paul and team are up to the task. But this takes time.
- AJ Batac
well I want a Ferrari , but I think both of us are pretty much out of luck
- Kim Landwehr
It also kinda sucks that Jeremiah had to start a new thread to refresh the discussion spawned by the old one. The vastly longer discussions enabled by the beta interface are quickly exposing the weak points in the single-thread conversation UI we're given.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
It's way too much to sift through, frankly.
- Mona Nomura
coldbrew, right. and i have the fridge and microwave next to me so i NEVER have to move.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Mona: If you weren't so full of yourself do you think you might be able to understand that some people appreciate some separation between public and private lives? My point was that lazy_as_a_lifestyle has a point at which it becomes ridiculous, what my username is irrelevant no matter what you write. Sorry I can't conform to your way of doing things. Let me guess, I'm using FF incorrectly?
- coldbrew
Owyang: Awesome! Have you seen the Homer Simpson trick of how to get your beer to you from the other end of the coffee table?
- coldbrew
Coldbrew: I gives you a hug. *jeremiah hugs coldbrew*. :) Btw, I really need a cold brew! *jeremiah reaches over from lazy boy to fridge*
- Jeremiah Owyang
Brew: (since you call me "owyang") no, send me URL to hopefully a youtube video of said Homer trick.
- Jeremiah Owyang
I think it's a rare case that Jeremiah even gets to be at home.
- Jesse Stay
While I have no problems creating lists etc, I do agree that FF (or any such tool) ought to be able to start getting intelligent about what i like based on the metadata that I leave on the site
- Anand Sharma
I'd like to think a learn filter could be helpful, but I wonder how well that works on scale, Facebook certainly fails on their new friend recommendations as it auto assumes I want to fan what my friends have fanned.
- Patrick Boegel
Facebook also fails to remember when I tell it once that I really don't want to friend this person it's suggesting. Why do I even bother clicking if it's just going to come back next session? What happens when I up/downvote sidebar ads? They're training me to do all of this crap but I see no persistent results that I can directly connect to my actions.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Agreed Daniel they have a huge problem with those sidebar votes, they are not getting more relevant in general.
- Patrick Boegel
I totally agree with this. Friendfeed already knows who are my eight favourite friendfeeders, so why not let me create a list or feed or whatever that is literally "give me only the stuff from my top x buddies"? That would solve it.
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
You want something to learn from you... without you teaching it. Hmmm... Is this some sort of Cylon technology we haven't heard of?
- Bwana ☠
@Bwana - i think the personalized version would be called Mememe
- Daniel J. Pritchett
You can create all the filters and lists you want, if you're not following the right people, it's all futile. From your original post, it looks like you don't like the people you chose to follow. So if creating lists/filters is too hard, how about unfollowing those that bother you? Too hard?
- Bwana ☠
I'll wager Jeremiah's problem is more that he follows people with interesting jobs who don't always share interesting links. If Scoble [Like]s a lolcat, should it show up on my feed or not?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Using FeedScrub on some of my RSS feeds definitely makes them more focused. Piping FF via FeedScrub seems v. clunky though.
- Yan
The only way a lazy person can use FriendFeed is to use Techmeme
- Bwana ☠
Social media platforms that don't develop powerful recommender systems for news, discussions and people are going to disappear quickly from the scene. Friendfeed needs to do much more much more quickly on this front. Feedly is already making important strides forward in refining its news recommender system.
- Sean McBride
Developers and software companies that argue that people shouldn't be too lazy to perform tasks that could be performed by software are in the wrong business. Few of them survive in a competitive environment which rewards products that automate human tasks (like finding the most relevant information for a particular person in a particular situation). (Actually, none of them have the slightest chance of surviving -- they don't seem to get what software is all about: more work, less effort.)
- Sean McBride
I love Friendfeed beta the way it's currently designed with real-time updates, infinite filtering options, and ever-updated conversations around topics of the day. That being said, I don't think it will ever reach mass adoption unless it significantly automates the discovery of content or presents a significantly dumbed-down version of what it is. It is too powerful a tool to be adopted en masse. Too much chaos expecting to be ordered. Not everyone's IQ is Scobleized.
- Ryan Miller
Ryan FF is for the outliers. It's not going to be a mainstream tool in it's current configuration. I don't recommend many clients to use it.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Here's a question, does FriendFeed have to go mainstream to succeed?
- Bwana ☠
Depends, Bwana. I don't know about you, but I'm having a dollar a month worth of fun on FF and would certainly pay that.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bwana. No it doesn't have to go mainstream to succeed. BTW: most of the employees are ex-googlers, many who have cashed out. This appears to be a a labor of love
- Jeremiah Owyang
Bwana, that's a great question. I've got a lot of real life friends over here from Twitter but cannot get them conversing. They prefer convos on Twitter or Facebook.
- Sally Church
I agree, that would be nice I suppose, but what would that learning be based upon? It's almost impossible to have a system learn from people who are predominately lurkers for example.
- David Leip
from Nambu
jeremiah - i do the opposite, i've been recommending friendfeed to our editors and j-school's i've spoken at recently as a great example of an emerging tool that easily allows content publishing, filtering and conversation tracking...
- mike "glemak" dunn
@Scobleizer - can I have your lists? I spend plenty of time in Google Reader, Twitter, & FB but could learn much more w/ your lists.
- Courtney Engle
Bwana: despite not the desired solution, unfollowing people is a possibility. Yet, the issue remains: if friendfeed knows who are those I read the most from those whom I follow, why don't friendfeed tell me who are those who I should unsubscribe?
- Marcos Marado
I also had some troubles to set my lists & filters. Not that I am lazy (not for that ;-) but I didn't know how to proceed, what was the methodology to make efficient filters : reduce the noise and improve signal.
- Stanislas Jourdan
Fortunately, a friend helped me showing his own lists and filters. (thanks Jérôme!)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Do you go to Google and magically have the results for what you're thinking about appear?
- AJ Kohn
Pritchett: Most of us got that from the beginning and simply took the opportunity to give him a hard time. Others, took it way too seriously, weighed-in and acted as if they are the product manager. I know, internet IS serious biz.
- coldbrew
Bah, the comment that predicated my last 2-3 comments has vanished, making me look slightly nuts. I'll cut mine to clean the thread. Sorry coldbrew.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Single best list to create: pick your five most interesting Friendfeeders and make a list of just their likes. Incredible signal to noise ratio.
- Leo Laporte
Leo Laporte -- it would be extremely easy for Friendfeed to automate the algorithm you just mentioned as part of a Friendfeed news recommender system. Most Friendfeed users are not going to take the trouble to create this filter by hand. But they would click on a single button to produce a ranked list of the new/unread items that are most personally relevant and globally important for them.
- Sean McBride
I too have laziness in excess, and am not inclined to create filters and lists. Some kind of learning algorithm that delivers only the content I desire would indeed make the whole system more streamlined for me personally. Such code is, of course, the holy grail of pretty much all content providers and distributors. Maybe friendfeed will take us there one day, or perhaps google will, or even an as-yet-unstarted company, but each day without it brings us closer to it.
- Slappy Line
Exactly waiting for drop down lists & a manageable UI to make list making understandable/manageable, we're not the one's coding here. Further the filter options are inadequate to say the least
- sofarsoShawn
Slippy 2.0 -- Feedly is already there, leaving Friendfeed and Google Reader well behind the curve. I've come to the conclusion that Friendfeed and Google Reader just don't get the news recommendation thing (although I still admire and use them for other features). There is a good chance that FF and GR will suffer the same fate as Bloglines.
- Sean McBride
It's easy. Click on the name of someone you like. On the right you'll see their number of "likes." Click that. Then subscribe to it. For best results put it in a list called "Likes" that you can then just click it in your list of lists on the right. Whenever I see someone with good taste in likes I add them to that list. Surfaces everything interesting very quickly.
- Leo Laporte
I hadn't noticed that Anthony. You can't manage Like lists! Weird. That's a serious bug. I'll submit that to the bug room.
- Leo Laporte
I prefer to make my own list and categories, I found that many times when the list is made through an site or algorithm, a lot is missed or assumed. Besides I am not sure what the list would be based on unless it is likes. That brings up another problem, that many times when I click on like, it means I thought the article was interesting, not that I necessary liked the subject. Plus not I am assuming that many people don't necessarily use like a lot.
- Kim Landwehr
prefer my own lists and filters, but it would sure be nice to have an easy to find collection of some of the best ones for several different areas of interest. Then lazy people could use those, and more importantly newbies could find high signal, and quality people to subscribe to, as well as quality examples of how to make powerful filters.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Audrey can already stand up on her own for a few seconds if we hold her steady. And when she's in the right mood, she'll repeat 'Hi!' and 'Oooo!' if we say it to her first.
Every parent wants to believe that their child is special and somehow more advanced than the others. We also believe this. However, we just happen to be right. Heh heh heh.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Are you guys planning on doing the sign language thing with her?
- Yolanda
Not sure what you mean. We are going to teach her ASL.
- Akiva Moskovitz
The baby sign language. My friends did it and it was pretty awesome. Baby couldn't speak yet but she could sign. I think it is some sort of Baby Einstein program.
- Yolanda
Nope. We're just going to teach her proper ASL.
- Akiva Moskovitz
ASL = Age/Sex/Location on the Internets.
- Louis Gray
My nephew Ethan is already at that stage, too. We're planning on getting him one of those walkers later on this week. The talking thing is cute, too. :)
- Steven Perez
It's total fun. Totally makes up for the times when she's screaming her little head off.
- Akiva Moskovitz
i can't believe you haven't uploaded a tiny audrey video. :( sad yoli.
- Yolanda
Steven just a tip, the walker things aren't really good for babies that young. Kids usually don't really use or need them until they can roll over front to back and back to front.
- Admiral Anika
Co-founder Biz Stone told Marketing: 'We are noticing more companies using Twitter and individuals following them. We can identify ways to make this experience even more valuable and charge for commercial accounts.' He would not be drawn on the level of charges.
- Leo Laporte
How do they decide who pays? Clearly a company like CNN would, but what about TWiT and other small companies?
- Richard Smith
from twhirl
*That's* the business model they're landing on? Twitter has made series of bad decisions and apparently they show no signs of stopping.
- Gregory Pittman
from twhirl
Yes I agree that this is terrible. There needs to be an a-la-carte checkout for "Pro" type features in the settings. Put ads in the feeds and on the site (majority of people post from the site), institute certain limits, and etc... and then let people "buy" a certificate that removes the limit restriction.
- Daniel Zarick
@Richard I would guess they'd have a premium account with additional features geared toward corporate use
- David Knight
@Richard may be a model based on a limit, just like google apps being free for a certain amount of account (getting smaller and smaller) and a pro mode if you need more than X accounts
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
i think freemium model and different tiers of corporate membership/service level is in order
- Pascal Bouvier
It'll never work. They started out free. If they try to charge now, even to just companies, they will flee. It would also be problematic to decide who qualifies as a company.
- Joe Pierce
I think qualifying an account as corporate or personal will be too hard. Probably what they're talking about is more along the lines of what YouTube does.
- Paul Reynolds
I think the key thing is "We can identify ways to make this experience even more valuable ...." Assuming Biz and Co has come up with the right features, businesses will pay for it. I would assume that they would still have the option for having a free account without those features
- Bastard Operator From FF
Why wouldn't it work? the whole issue of identity management is important, and it *has* a cost and value - I suspect it can fly. After all, people pay for co-validated SSL certificates, they might pay for a corporate set of twitter accounts which required verification (and cost something) and would a)give people trust it is really the company it says it is b)make sure other people cannot pretend.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Maybe include group functionality so that @comcastcares is also seen by @comcastjim without having to employ TweetDeck-like clients.
- Dave Ferrick