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Live now: the Gillmor Gang on Google IO - with Steve Gillmor, Leo Laporte, Loren Feldman, Dan Farber, Mark Canter, Paul Buchheit, and Kevin Marks. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here....
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May 29, 2009 - Comment - Share
first - ralphsaunders
or am i? - ralphsaunders
interesting... I thought GG was on Saturdays. Special edition? - Vlad Bobleanta
new timing - ralphsaunders
Leo, looks good. You should do more shows from home. - Willowdale
I recall at the end of the last show Leo saying that Fridays worked better for him - Jamie
Leo Skype 4.1 Beta for Windows is here - with screen sharing http://share.skype.com/sites... - Andrew Johnson
I remember that too. But see, it's also a special edition. :) - Vlad Bobleanta
hi everyone - Tina Chase Gillmor
+1 on the new Skype. Sounds very cool. Haven't tried it yet though. - Vlad Bobleanta
check check one two one two - Zee.
hi Tina - Andrew Johnson
eat one leo - ralphsaunders
who's running the board at the twit cottage? - BryanSchuetz
colleen - LiQiuD
Finally Leo gets some fresh air instead of getting stuck in a studio! - haga
wheres Steve? - Jamie
leos getting eaten by a tree - ralphsaunders
Is Leo at home? - Matthew Grubbs
yeah - ralphsaunders
steve will b thar in a minute - ralphsaunders
eat one! - ralphsaunders
those cherrys looks good! - haga
I think the Mac Skype has screen sharing. - Willowdale
willowdale: yeah they just added it - Mike Bracco
Nice backyard Leo! - Academic PCs
leo are you walking or riding around on something? - LiQiuD
Will Steve be posting the Audio of this later? I haven't seen it posted for a while... - Matthew Grubbs
@liquid hes walking - ralphsaunders
adium mac only - ralphsaunders
hey does anyone know where the audio is posted later for gillmorgang? - Ali Shah
leo - i'll have it wired into the twit.im as soon as I am physically able - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
like an mp3 of the conversation, not the live. - Ali Shah
Leo Skype 2.8 for Mac OS X also has Screen Sharing http://www.skype.com/downloa... thanks Willowdale you are right - Andrew Johnson
I think it is posted here. http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/ But it hasn't been updated in a while. - Willowdale
If you thought the Twitter word derivations were bad...imagine all the Wave service derivations that are going to come about....like "Twave" - Wave Twitter...start registering domains!! - Mike Bracco
Gilmor is always so bossy when he gets on! :) - Mike Flynn
I would like to see the twit.im - Academic PCs
Tina, I'll get it. - Cliff Gerrish
$ wget http://bglive-a.bitgravity.com/twit... --ignore-length -O output.flv - ralphsaunders
Hes experiencing bluescreen technical difficulties - John Brazel
haha - ralphsaunders
A very serious Steve Gilmore today. - haga
Gillmor's getting upset! ...you wouldn't like him when he's angry. - Mike Flynn
this week in grumpy gang - ralphsaunders
is Mike around? - Jamie
lol yeah he goes green :/. - ralphsaunders
that's what i'm thinking...very grumpy steve today - LiQiuD
The usual twenty minutes to get the technology to work - Francine Hardaway
Did you mute them? - Francine Hardaway
well we almost started - Tina Chase Gillmor
yeah :P - ralphsaunders
3rd time lucky? - ralphsaunders
go launch - Amyloo
Are we go for Gillmor Gang? - Colin
jeeeesus - Tina Chase Gillmor
Can't we just use ichat? - Francine Hardaway
Its a go - Jamie
nope - ralphsaunders
Farber Go!, Laporte Go!, Paul go! Feldman is go! stand bye Kantor - John Brazel
and its GO GO GO! - ralphsaunders
michael arrington tonight? - Ali Shah
collection of videos - http://video.allthingsd.com/ - Mike Bracco
http://fakebartz.blogspot.com/ the fake carol bartz..really funny - michael arrington tweeted this out last night - Mike Bracco
who is breathing and squeaking? that is NOT allowed - Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm breathing, but not squeaking. - Cliff Gerrish
lol that's leo's chair i guess - stanjourdan
I almost like it better when Leo isn't at the helm, other people talk more! - Colin
darth vader duh :P - ralphsaunders
So boring. I'm out. - Michael K
stan hes sitting on a wall - ralphsaunders
ok, thank for the very important information ralphsaunders ;) - stanjourdan
yup. Reports from the field :) - ralphsaunders
:P heheheh - ralphsaunders
What a really stupid name for a search engine Microsoft!! - haga
The search engine machine that goes Bing! - John Brazel
Why does a search engine need a name? - Willowdale
I think Bong is a great name for a search engine. - Cliff Gerrish
I hope that didn't pay a lot to come up with Bing's logo - Mike Bracco
is that the reason why leo is under a cherry tree? to talk about Microsoft Bing? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bing could use some new graphics already, and it hasn't launched. - Colin
They used some ridiculous brand consultant to think up the name. - Francine Hardaway
@colin, maybe i could help them hhehehehe - ralphsaunders
"Semantic munging" a technical term - Francine Hardaway
the good thing about Bing is that it is memorable - Jamie
as the worst POS ever? heeheheh - ralphsaunders
Bing+WolframAlpha+Mahalo+Google=Skynet? Discuss. - John Brazel
Could someone in Microsoft find a person that comes up with proper names!! - haga
The future of search is verbs, Gates said last year at D - Francine Hardaway
wolframAlpha+google+twitter = skynet - ralphsaunders
MS just wants people to say "Did you Bing that?" - J Allen
They got the governer on the line! - haga
Oh i would bing that my friend - ralphsaunders
its around $300M per percentage point - Jamie
Has ANYONE actually tried out BING? - Francine Hardaway
nope - stanjourdan
no... but why would you need it? - ralphsaunders
comes out june 6 I think - Leo Laporte
As smart as Google is, they got schooled recently with real-time. They scrambled to add that... - Colin
ff's Paul B is on right now. on bing: "it'll be interesting if it actually works." - michael sean wright
no, but I had a dream that it sucked.. so I'll probably write a blog post about it - BryanSchuetz
The fact that they missed that, means they could be missing a lot more. - Colin
if you use google properly/wolfram alpha you wouldn't need bing - ralphsaunders
yahoo is amazing at buying stuff and not making money on them! - haga
It does sound a little like Mahalo answers - Francine Hardaway
forget Bing...i'm just wondering if Gillmor's face would crack if he smiled.. - Zee.
it would explode - ralphsaunders
is Feldman in here? - Tina Chase Gillmor
omfg he smiled! duck! - ralphsaunders
he is kinda smiling! - Zee.
I'm a real estate appraiser and would love to see other options than the local MLS - Matthew Grubbs
Is that the blue screen of death behind Loren Feldman? - Francine Hardaway
no BS of CGI - ralphsaunders
Canter always fills me with hope for the future - Jamie
No... - ralphsaunders
Loved Arrington's post about that. - Francine Hardaway
Love to hear how FriendFeed feels about Wave. - Mike Flynn
Steve did do some really good coverage of Google I/O - Francine Hardaway
Wave is Friend(feed) with benefits lol - Jamie
Thats a good pedigree if the maps team is making waves. - John Brazel
Did you just find that Ralph lol? Or is that your blog - Colin
it doesn't have to be realtime - XMPP allows for delayed delivery - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
@Jamie Nice! - Mike Flynn
wave! what the hope of pointshare was. can't recall something so close to perfection. open ftw! - michael sean wright
+1 Jamie - stanjourdan
that was what we were working on at Chandler - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Colin just found it. I follow the guy in twitter :D - ralphsaunders
That's funny, because honestly that's the first thing I thought when I saw the story and visited Bing.com - Colin
oh, so live is where it's at? - Tina Chase Gillmor
Chandler was live when it was pointed at a CalDav server - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Colin hehehe - ralphsaunders
What I saw made me feel it was a product a real person (me) could use. Convesation, Marc. That's right! It's like track - Francine Hardaway
No one bullshits like the Gillmor Gang! They are the pros. - Dave Winer
The most important bit of Wave is that they have made real time features easy to develop by providing an open protocol and an open reference implementation. - invariant
Tagline could be World Class Bullshit! - Dave Winer
That's why I love it so much. :-) - Dave Winer
darth vader! - ralphsaunders
why dont you jump on the call Dave? - Jamie
Paul B: "(Wave) looks like our wish list from gMail." - michael sean wright
So they forgot to inform about the "dont breath" rule. - haga
or breath out the side of your mouth... :D - ralphsaunders
Dave I'm seeing a future blog post = Wave kills RSS ...what do you tink? - BryanSchuetz
Dave - I hope you're here to add to the conversation not just put it down - Tina Chase Gillmor
to predicable :D - ralphsaunders
*predictable - ralphsaunders
Why isn't this available as a podcast anymore? - Daniel Bachhuber
Hi Dave. Do call in...I'd like to hear what you think about Wave. I liked what I saw very much - Francine Hardaway
@Canter thats correct - Jamie
Francine - are you producing this show now? - Tina Chase Gillmor
wave could replace gmail period. - Jamie
Speaking of all things live, I just declined to renew registration of the domain, doitlive.tv, expiring today. Can't justify the $50. Grab it, I'm just abandoning, not selling it. - Amyloo
Gmail merging seems like a lock, but when do they merge Google Voice in to Wave? - Mike Flynn
woah... what the hell did i eat - ralphsaunders
Paul B. talk about what HTML5 makes possible with Wave. - Cliff Gerrish
@cliff i would like to hear that as well - J Allen
good point Mike. google have a lot of pieces to the puzzle. I think they know how that puzzle looks when complete but its a lot of pieces - Jamie
Will FriendFeed be taking advantage of any of the new features of HTML5? - Cliff Gerrish
don't think I've ever gone back to search through old FF comments - BryanSchuetz
will the browsers? - ralphsaunders
hi all - Joe Azzara
Google is such a huge ecosystem...There are a lot of outlooks unifying pieces of the cake - stanjourdan
great show. - Joe Azzara
The "playback" interaction is very interesting. - Cliff Gerrish
Holy Fudd, I've accidently made a Real Time session!! - Aron Michalski
Hey, Aron. - Cliff Gerrish
hi Aron - Tina Chase Gillmor
google wave is dead - Willowdale
^ - Jamie
wow, dead on arrival? ;-) - Tina Chase Gillmor
its been aborted - ralphsaunders
just a joke, sorry - Willowdale
can I quote you willowdale? - Leo Laporte
yes - Willowdale
Every time google comes out with something, its followed by everyone saying "I had that idea back in the day!" - Mike Flynn
Hi Aronski! We are all still here waiting for you:-) - Francine Hardaway
that's the plus of using XMPP as the federating transport - it allows threaded xml packets to be transported - part of what Wave adds is the storing and changeset management - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
"Microsoft Tsunami" haha...LOL - Mike Bracco
lol leo :P - ralphsaunders
@Leo "Wave has jumped the shark!" - John Brazel
the chat at this point is the most extractable meta data from the show. now could we run a Calais app on it? organize the smart data and remove the fluff to give us a searchable conversation? - michael sean wright
Oops! Sorry Tina - Francine Hardaway
someone doesn't know how to bitch slap - ralphsaunders
sharepoint.. - Jamie
new iphone app: virtual bitch slap... - ralphsaunders
not to worry... I still love you - Tina Chase Gillmor
this is what microsoft wanted to do with sharepoint and exchange - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I'm not sure there's that much metadata, Nicefishfilms. Mostly friends talking and bantering - Francine Hardaway
virtual bitch slap, there's an app for that - J Allen
I was playing around with a dashboard/console idea like that a year ago or so. Watch later and follow the chat after the fact. http://amyloo.com/watchco... - Amyloo
Really? - ralphsaunders
sharepoint, exchange and eventually mesh @ Mike Taylor - Jamie
@jamie - yes, mesh and live - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
australia is good for isolation... - Hilary Talbot
hey hil - Amyloo
hey amy! - Hilary Talbot
What I miss? - Aron Michalski
You know Wave is a lot like Groove. - Dave Winer
Wave is groove on the web - Jamie
and in real time - BryanSchuetz
and extensible - Jamie
lotus notes on steriods - Tina Chase Gillmor
Francine, not yet, but what if.... a moderator created subject headings - pull quotes from the conversation. It's something that we're trying to do with Peter Himmelman. How to create a running commentary that is searchable later. - michael sean wright
oh god - ralphsaunders
That's interesting about how people need a balance between real time and time-shifting:-) - Francine Hardaway
time shifting is real time stored with timecodes - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
rosie = the maid from the jetsons - BryanSchuetz
I would like the ability to time shift real time... I don't even know what that means :) - Mike Bracco
Bryan, now you mention rose the maid I realize she looked like Susan Boyle - Amyloo
could peace be far behind? - Tina Chase Gillmor
lol, tina - Hilary Talbot
Live video and Wave is something that has to be in there. - Mike Flynn
we could finally read what all the Farsi typing folks on here are typing - Adam Turetzky from IM
heck, they are still having trouble getting the WhatWG and HTML5 crowd talking - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
HTML 5 is so great. If it wasn't for IE, the world (wide web) would be a better place. - Mike Flynn
the chart they showed where they list what browsers have what HTML5 features didn't even *show* IE - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
plus WebKit (ie mobiles are supported too) - Jamie
Customizable browsers might actually happen, too, lo these 10 years later - Amyloo
leo - yes you can - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
if you look at trend rates for browser market share IEs market share will have shrunk to 0 by 2021 - BryanSchuetz
Wave has the potential for something that deserves its own monitor (or space) 100% of the time. - Mike Flynn
Gentlemen, why don't more of us use BML for getting video-on-page? - CLC Radio
wave kills ie - Leo Laporte
chrome + wave could kill biz ie - J Allen
HTML5 "video" tag is already supported in the latest Chrome and I hear latest FF builds too. - Vlad Bobleanta
wave requires ie to support html5 - Cliff Gerrish
IE will probably support html5 by the time Wave is released. - Jamie
agree w/ Leo i.e. can't match. - michael sean wright
yeah, webkit supports a lot of HTML 5 and some CSS3 - Mike Flynn
Here's a nice demo of HTML5 video (warning: "modern browsers" only!) http://www.whatwg.org/demos... - Vlad Bobleanta
if we said a year from now Bill i'd say yes. - Jamie
chrome doesn't like it vlad lol - ralphsaunders
Latest dev build of Chrome does. - Vlad Bobleanta
Anyone have a link to the google wave demo vid? - John Brazel
Amazing; I get to listen to the stream and the phone rings... - Aron Michalski
Anyway have a link to a good video/audio podcast that discusses HTML 5? - Mike Bracco
wow, the WebKit Nightly/Safari works with that link. Pretty cool. - Adam Turetzky from IM
aron - what are you listening on? - Tina Chase Gillmor
Don't answer it Aron, it's a robot wanted to talk to you about your extended warranty. - Cliff Gerrish
twit.am probably - ralphsaunders
cool CSS3 animation = http://www.whatwg.org/demos... Modern browsers - BryanSchuetz
twit live - Aron Michalski
but that's a broadcast view of what a workgroup is - 1000 people consuming the broadcast and giving feedback - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
eeep sweaty butt :P - ralphsaunders
Aron - on the phone thru what? - Tina Chase Gillmor
oops.. damn clipboard: http://www.apple.com/safari... - BryanSchuetz
Mike, this chat is more that smaller group - Amyloo
Groups. Small groups. - Francine Hardaway
you will need distribution lists for this. - Jamie
@mike Bracco Thx - John Brazel
Getting the Dev or Beta builds of Chrome is explained here: http://dev.chromium.org/getting... - Vlad Bobleanta
Amyloo - yes, the FF room is - but leo's normal IRC room swells to 800-900 when he is rocking - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
hehehe - ralphsaunders
144 is the Dunbar number. The cognitive limit of groups. - Cliff Gerrish
Right. There are not 150 people chatting here,but there are probably more than 150 listening. - Francine Hardaway
Oh, I had a work call that came in that I had to take on the cell...but my iPod is set up to take calls too... - Aron Michalski
but Dunbar is appropriate when everyone is conversing and exchanging info - i'm thinking that we have a 20/80 model in effect so that allow for a larger participating audience with a much much larger consuming audience - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I'll guess that 15% of us in here now, probably participate actively in Wikpedia editing. - CLC Radio
lurking... - Karoli
no... no i dont - ralphsaunders
Hi Karoli - Tina Chase Gillmor
Power law distributions for participation. - Cliff Gerrish
hi tina...i've been hovering - Karoli
@Cliff - yes, that's an interesting application of the power law to large crowd dynamics in a multi-media internet world - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bing is googles fat friend :) - ralphsaunders
always thought of this as conversation in pods. subjects covered would go under a header. then an off topic, random flow in side window? again mods would have to play a part in it. so Tina could hastag/ mark IO portion. then thread the conversation. the headers would still be seen but condensed? - michael sean wright
wave is great for projects, especially when you have multiple consultants working together - J Allen
@Paul Bucheit - heard about etherpad the other day on the Mac Geek Gab podcast..Looks like a cool service - Mike Bracco
@ Paul looks like subethaedit - Jamie
Wave contributes to the tribe. - John Brazel
i can see spawning multiple different wave servers for different things, and linking them all - LiQiuD
I think bespin is still blowing me a way - CLC Radio
Imagine the difference in productivity: wave vs. office. - Cliff Gerrish
Check out this demo of etherpad: http://etherpad.com/ep... - Leo Laporte
oh my GOD... in the last moment - Tina Chase Gillmor
I think it's remarkable that all these rooms, feeds and streams are all connected, all around this group of people, all as it's happening... it's multi-Real... - Aron Michalski
kevin saves the day - Jamie
lol! could his timing be any better? - Karoli
that was close... - Aron Michalski
i need to actually put my hands on it to fully understand it. theory doesn't really work for me. - Karoli
a whole new genera of how to avoid your boss in Wave is going to emerge from this too :) - Adam Turetzky from IM
I'm looking forward to Wave... I just hope it flies. - Chris
this is a keeper of a show, will be referring back to this. mark it one for the 'books' - michael sean wright
Leo, that's great, nut try this etherpad I just started: http://etherpad.com/YaJhUoTJ8i - CLC Radio
thanks Bill Heslin - Tina Chase Gillmor
thats if its ever released nicefish - Jamie
i'm hoping that the google smiles on me and gets me into the sandbox sooner than later - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Tina, do you post the audio anywhere? - Willowdale
Not currently.... and not just audio anymore - Tina Chase Gillmor
wave -> wavelet -> particles - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Kevin, so all this is taking place outside the http: name space? - Cliff Gerrish
tina...boo hopefully soon there will be a place to post it. - Karoli
Will we end up with sand in our bathing suits? - Aron Michalski
aron, beats the hell out of sand crabs :) - Karoli
time to grab silt.com - Aron Michalski
Where is the podcast link? - antonio rodriguez
@Paul Bucheit - Any thoughts are adding FF features to live event chats like this to provide additional functionality that make sense for a chat that occurs alongside a live show like this? - Mike Bracco
Cliff - there's your HTML5 question - Tina Chase Gillmor
Canter with the DW-like "I did this 10 years ago" comment - Jamie
so no gillmor gang tomorrow then i assume? - J Allen
No Saturday - we are relocating to Friday - Tina Chase Gillmor
@tina ok, thx - J Allen
you can't push ie off the table...or you lose the consumer market - LiQiuD
I have determined that etherpad does not suck, thanks for the link all. - CLC Radio
on my way out - thanks tina, bye amy, everyone - Hilary Talbot
see ya - Amyloo
ugg flash - BryanSchuetz
who is windy? - Tina Chase Gillmor
phone man - ralphsaunders
Kevin speaks so quickly you think he's skipping whole syllables, but i think it's really more like grace notes - Amyloo
Curious; is it the IE 8 engine that makes it so "web standards compliant", or is it add-ons - I use Maxthon extensively, so was wondering. - CLC Radio
Who's walking down the streets of the city? - Cliff Gerrish
Kevin speaks using "flams" - CLC Radio
Main problem with HTML5 is what codecs to support, Firefox 3.5 supports Ogg Theora, Safari/Webkit supports H.264/MP4. Video is being built-in but different browsers are supporting different codecs. - LonelyBob
...smiling at everybody she sees... :) - Karoli
h264/mp4 sounds like the logical choice - Jamie
Skype dropped Loren .... he didn't leave - Tina Chase Gillmor
listening to Kevin Marks speak, I look up at the muted TV and see Rush waving like a loon...cognitive disconnect - Karoli
it is in the iphone 3 release - Jamie
which passes acid3 - Jamie
is there a webkit browser for WinMo? - J Allen
colleen says she can't get Loren to answer - so he might have lost connectivity - Leo Laporte
If they haven't already answered it, has anyone asked Kevin: "Isn't Wave too complicated?" Sure, it appears to be the intelligent person's new email system, but isn't the learning curve so great that it keeps the average Joe-browser-and-email away? - tollie williams
Kevin already said you have to try Wave to get it - Leo Laporte
tollie, seems to me that the API gives developers the chance to make it easy for users... - Karoli
the beauty of the system tollie is that you wont need to use the Wave UI that was shown yesterday - Jamie
@tollie grandma won't be using it - BryanSchuetz
I don't think it's going to be that hard to get - you might be surprised - Leo Laporte
Tollie that's what the techcrunch article says...it's more complicated than needed for a regular user out of the box. - LiQiuD
Leo - right... he's not around now. That's fine - Tina Chase Gillmor
there is no "out of the box" - Leo Laporte
wave can look much like gmail if you want - Leo Laporte
oh, please let flash be dead - Karoli
gotta go.. - Paul Buchheit
oh noooooooo.... get the shovel - Tina Chase Gillmor
silverlight is dead - BryanSchuetz
isn't marc canter flash's grandfather? - Leo Laporte
Oh no, future splash bites the dust. - Cliff Gerrish
bye Paul .... just told Steve you're leaving - Tina Chase Gillmor
Yeah that's confusing - didn't marc invent flash? heh - Chris Saad
Nice word for 'collusion.' - Cliff Gerrish
we're about to wrap.... I think.... anyway. Thanks so much for joining us today - Tina Chase Gillmor
As long as Silverlight is the only way to get netlfix streaming...I'll still use it - Mike Bracco
Silverlight dead? Was it ever alive? - John Wallace
...and by wrap I mean continue until the traditional very abrupt end of show - Tina Chase Gillmor
Gotta go. Love this way of sharing GG. You guys know Canter was the Director man, you saw Steve's video with Sergey, so much nicer for me than the IRC chat. Thanks. - Amyloo
I asked for a login to the wave sandbox - Leo Laporte
hoping to get to play with it a little - Leo Laporte
The statement "Flash is dead" is a bit too strong. Flash will be around for a few more years even if Adobe stopped working on it and I haven't heard Adobe stopping anytime soon, it's just so ubiquitous. But statements on the Gillmor Gang usually are overly strong. - LonelyBob
bye Amyloo ... thanks for being here - Tina Chase Gillmor
i'm pretty sure a ton of ppl signed up for wave logins, myself included. :) - LiQiuD
You should get a digital pail and shovel... - Aron Michalski
Seems I have my typical "tuning in just as show's wrapping" timing. Best part, I suppose ;) - Denise Howell
we already signed off once Denise! - Tina Chase Gillmor
Until the masses try out these new technologies, the bloggers and reviewers can talk about them all they want. They might sound great but wait until they are live. Remember the Vista launch? - John Wallace
we're moving Gillmor Gang to 4:30p Pacific on Fridays - so set your alarm Denise! - Leo Laporte
etherpad is lookng to charge only 3 to 5 dollars US per month for their hosted model - nice price for me here. - CLC Radio
Leo - HTML5 Video is working *right now*. In modern browsers, of course. Chrome 3.0.182.3 (I can confirm that), Safari's latest beta and Firefox's latest beta/RC, from what I hear. I linked to a demo HTML5 video above, I'll repost if needed. - Vlad Bobleanta
Modern == Next Gen - Leo Laporte
Q: So if I'm teaching someone beginning HTML, how long until they need to depreciate XHTML1 and HTML 4? ie. When do we drop the IMG tag, and begin using the semantic naming tags? - tollie williams
Modern = Right Now. That's how things get done. - Cliff Gerrish
this is such an intelligent comments page ( the people in it)... It always amazes me - Tina Chase Gillmor
XHTML deprecated in favor of HTML5 - Cliff Gerrish
@Cliff - not yet it isn't. There's not a browser (to my knowledge) that supports the basic elements of HTML5. - tollie williams
Leo - modern=in 3/4 months widespread availability ("stable"). - Vlad Bobleanta
Thanks for bringing up the video Codec question Leo. True Webkit based browsers are all MP4/H.264 supported, but Firefox/Mozilla is not. https://developer.mozilla.org/En... - LonelyBob
Safari, Chrome, Firefox, Opera.... - Cliff Gerrish
Texting Gvent now. - Denise Howell
wow - I want to stay for the end - but I have to get dinner for the family - i'll have to catch the rerun - bear (aka Mike Taylor)
etherpad-romance still: you can create the url of choice for free - it doesnt have to be the auto-generated url (it's still not secure until they rollout the hosted pay-per-month model or you get the enterprise local server solution) - CLC Radio
If IE 8 doesn't support it though how widely used can it be. Is it just for the browser elite? - Leo Laporte
@Leo - that's what I was saying earlier...until IE supports html5, you can't really plan on using it, if you have a mass market site - LiQiuD
gotta grab some dinner before they close... EDT here...See you next time, thanks for being here!!! Thanks Tina, my best to the Gang... - Aron Michalski
Bye Aron - eat some healthy food - Tina Chase Gillmor
I know the non-IE browsers are using the advanced elements of HTML5, but I don't think there's any that support the SRC attribute thrown in on any tag to display images... which is how HTML 5 wants to work. - tollie williams
browser usage trend graph: http://ec.mashable.com/wp-cont... - BryanSchuetz
Keep it up folks... there is much commenting to be done http://friendfeed.com/search... - Jay Cuthrell
More capability will drive usage. It's what you can do with it. That's what'll drive standards. (microformats) - Cliff Gerrish
I wish I had more battery life to keep this up but I'll be back in about an hour :) - Jay Cuthrell
LonelyBob - agreed. Rather strange and I hope they'll all settle on one in the future. - Vlad Bobleanta
@Leo or anyone, that was my main concern of using IE 8; are there built in over-rides for some of the site-bloacking behaviour I have noticed? - CLC Radio
@Leo I guess if MS don't have IE support HTML5 in the next few months, Wave (if released by then) might drive adoption of alternatives. Which can only be good in my book. However, I'll be surprised if it takes MS more than 12 months to add support. Just my 2 cents. - Vlad Bobleanta
At Apple Genius Bar yesterday, Genius recommended Firefox over Safari to customer as more widely compatible (her Yahoo mail worked right in the first, not in the second). - Denise Howell
IE8 will support HTML5 via a level of indirection (a dongle) - Cliff Gerrish
@Denise - LOL. Yahoo mail has a terrible and overbloated UI. - Vlad Bobleanta
I don't have luck with Firefox on my Mac - Tina Chase Gillmor
Safari better for me - Tina Chase Gillmor
love firefox on my mac - Karoli
Camino: http://caminobrowser.org/ It's Brisk Baby! - BryanSchuetz
yes Leo that's what i'm talking about, extracting the live chat and moderating for later recall... clustering the meta data of the conversation. marking headers/ chapters. seeding it with quotes from the conversation. - michael sean wright
And one more thing. I really really hope Google doesn't (or don't?) screw this up and let it die like, um, other projects (though those were mostly acquired, not developed in-house). There's just too much potential here. - Vlad Bobleanta
Is a wave gadget similar to a chrome extension? - Vezquex
pull quotes from Kevin Marks, Google - "Google is designed to make mistakes in public." "Twitter is generative, we use it then argue about the best way to use it." and quoted - "The future is already here - it is just unevenly distributed." -- William Gibson - michael sean wright
ok... just checking - Tina Chase Gillmor
ooops... wrong window - Tina Chase Gillmor
nicefishfilms +1 - Vlad Bobleanta
"The future is already here - it is just unevenly distributed." -- William Gibson - Leo Laporte
"If you want to understand the future, look at the present." - Marshall McLuhan - Cliff Gerrish
here we goo... - Tina Chase Gillmor
bye bye - Karoli
end of teh shows - ralphsaunders
Bill Heslin - agreed *if* they keep at it. - Vlad Bobleanta
This is a good show ive not watched it b4 - John Brazel
yes, great Gillmor Gang - J Allen
Tina, I got the wget if you want it. - Cliff Gerrish
Oh, ya, makin' me some chocolate milk, oh ya. - CLC Radio
Mozilla Gecko Power, with Mac UI style/look and feel. Camino user --> - LonelyBob
glad you tuned inJohn Brazel - Tina Chase Gillmor
Google slogan: "Are ya feelin' lucky?" - CLC Radio
hah Sarah and Martin get fired again..lol - BryanSchuetz
ah, they're not gettin fired, just kind of smooshed. - CLC Radio
Sorry, what do you mean? Has something happened with This Week in Fun that I missed? - David Lloyd
ooh a job, how 20th Century ;) - Denise Howell
No, I think maybe BryanSchuetz likes spreading rumors - Hey Now! - CLC Radio
Sarah Lane was fired???????? - David Lloyd
Mark, jeez! - CLC Radio
Is that Steve's fly rod back there? (Or is he just happy to see us.) - Denise Howell
lol, well someone said there were fired! I didnt have any context - David Lloyd
did i miss any major drama on gilmor gang? - David Lloyd
"someone said" - I love that, especially when the FF log is *sooo* difficult to navigate - CLC Radio
Save the missing episodes! - Boris Gordon
Named after Ray Ozzie, omg. I'm now officielly naming our next pet Bricklin. - Denise Howell
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thanks Leo, changed the quote. - michael sean wright
I would love if the comment box could stay up and float with the FF chat feed. It keeps dissapearing between entries - might be a browser compat issue on my end? - CLC Radio
is this live or a rerun on twitlive - David Lloyd
This is an instant re-run, just ended the live as you came in, Mark - CLC Radio
it does stay down if you click on the timestamp up on top - Tina Chase Gillmor
Thanks TCG - but I dont see any timestamp - am using SeaMonkey browser - CLC Radio
Leo was sitting in the garden? - David Lloyd
Does colleen smoke? her voice is so gravelly - David Lloyd
There is no timestamp on this page, I dont have a clue TCG - CLC Radio
click the "2 hours ago" text at the top of this post - David Lloyd
that makes the comment box always at the bottom - David Lloyd
I refreshed the browser (just in case), and so,(in hindsight) you meant click F5 (or somehow refresh the browser) so that I would see the time-stamp, then click that (whatever time it would be, in this case 2 hours ago), then I would only see just this conversation, got it. iow, it could have said 1 minute ago or some such, when the conversation was first started, I get it ow, thank you. - CLC Radio
yes... think you got it now. window should then stay on the bottom but sometimes disappears for a sec if the commenting is very fast - Tina Chase Gillmor
Things like this can take me a while to get. Really kind of the first time I have used FF this much! - CLC Radio
I will say though, back to the show, that the etherpad kills me - that is pretty cool right now. I noticed after playing with it, that their free hosted server stays connected better/longer using FireFox - not so much with SeaMonkey for some reason. - CLC Radio
Hey it's Paul there hehe. - Zu from AOD
Paul? - David Lloyd
FriendFeed co-founder on the phone? no? - Zu from AOD
Zu_ElijahBailey - he was. show is over now though - Mike Bracco
Oh.. hehehe, rerun. You know, just arrived so I reacted to a comment in this thread. ;p - Zu from AOD
Damn, missed it again. Hopefully I'll catch it in reruns. - Dave
That's even better. Thanks Mike! - Dave
Keep going folks... you can do it! :) http://friendfeed.com/search... - Jay Cuthrell
I love you The Gillmor Gang. I missed your show this week. That made me sad. Someone gave me a bittorent link to an mp3 recording. That made me happy. I'm going to listen now. I am excited. I am happy. Google Wave seems like it will make me happy. Google wave is like the Gillmor Gang to me in that sense. OK. I;m going to listen now. i love you The Gillmor Gang. - Wo
Interesting how the Gillmor Gang community takes to Friendfeed commenting. See breakdown of # of comments by TWIT network episode http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc... - Amyloo
10:00PM on Sunday and replay of GG just started on live.twit.tv - Ken Sheppardson
I want Wave today. Am I alone? - Wo
I think it is funny that Bill Gates says "Give it away, you'll enjoy it," Yet Google is the one open sourcing Wave and all of their other projects to the community. http://www.reuters.com/article... - Louis (mostly inactive)