Tommy Williams - Likes

zaloom! - Kevin Johnson

If we are really cool we'll get on this list http://friendfeed.com/search... - Robert Scoble

Kevin is first, who will be last? I just want to be the penultimate commenter! - Robert Scoble

first and last words are all that matter on the FF. - rob friedman

Okay. Everyone stop NOW! - Kevin Sablan

great. now FF is going to be filled up with those annoying ass people that comment "FIRST!" on everything. - Enrique Gutierrez

ok - Shawn Snodgrass

Aw crap, I could sit here all night waiting to be last, so may as well comment now. - Sharon McPherson

8th! - rob friedman

Any worthy FF thread will engage interested parties enough to read most of the comments. - iTad

Do I get bonus points if I end up being the thread killer? - Kevin Johnson

Kevin you could always delete your 1st comment. :) - rob friedman

Kevin! Yes, and we're having a great time watching this. It will get old fast, but for now it's really fun! - Robert Scoble

Dang it I am 5 min too late. So I guess it is like posting on a blog post, you always want to be first. - Jeff

Hey Enrique.. that would suck. Oh... LAST! Oh Jeff... Last. - Ted Bradford II

That's why these threads just go on and on and on... people just want to have the last word. ;-P - Chris Heath

Chris: I don't want the last word. I want the penultimate word. :-) - Robert Scoble

Nope, I like the riffng of the conversation. Jump in anywhere. Enjoy the free flow of ideas and worry not about being seen by the scanners. Those who take the time to expand the thread have such a richer experience. - michael sean wright

if i wasn't so tired i'd play that out Chris (as my last post was truly in jest). Late here in East TN. Gonna go tip a few cows and call it a day. - Ted Bradford II

Ted: so was mine ... didn't you catch the winky tongue? (i'm on cape fear so i'm soon to bed as well) - Chris Heath

Good point, unless you're actually using the RT chat aspect of FriendFeed, I guess... - Andy Werner

I actually come back 5 days later to make comments so I can have the last word. Everyone has already forgotten what the conversation is about by then. - Jeff

Chris- I did, but needed a segue into a cow tipping joke... cause I've never done so before. I do know this, tomorrow I will use the word 'penultimate' and dazzle family and friends. Hope alls quiet on the Cape bro. These storms have been a biotch. Annnnnnd Jeff just trumped us all. Tell him what he's won Enrique... nite all. - Ted Bradford II

Second to last is always visible on my screen. :) - Bwana ☠

Clever way to get the most commented upon comment on FF ever.... - Barak B

Ted, if you haven't dozed off- i'll have you know that the coastal winds tend to keep a lot of the storm systems at bay- if you're close enough to the water - a mile or 5 inland can make a big difference some days - and spot t/storms can be localized around here big time - for instance yesterday it rained (for a short period) at my house while i was at work 5 miles away getting no rain - only knew cuz the ground was wet when i went home for lunch... ok - it's really time for sleep now - g'nite FriendFeed - Chris Heath

so in other words, last is not least? - Julie Bovee Hill

Barak: check out this idea for a long thread (still nowhere near the longest on friendfeed, but the idea.. ) http://friendfeed.com/ajbatac... - Chris Heath

Chris: Yes, that is a good one too. This is better though and I predict with end up with more comments. - Barak B

Yay! I am last as of now :) - Amit Nangare

lets see how long this lasts for! :) - Paul Kinlan

Another one of these? From Scoble this time? Wow. BTW, last post. - Chris Charabaruk

I will be the penultimate commenter! - Garin Kilpatrick

That way I can be the ultimate one. - Chris Charabaruk

Nope. - Barak B

friendfeed should allow for "liking" comments so top comments can be the ones shown, no matter the chronology. And allow the users to watch comments by likes, threaded or chronologically. - Charbax

A blatant attempt at gaming the FriendFeed statistics for no real useful purpose... Oooh, can I be last, Please Please!!! - Peter Kelley

No, Peter, you may not be last. That's my position. - Chris Charabaruk

Last Post!!! - Richard Hurt

well, the last comment is always changing, isn't this like having your 5 nanoseconds of glory? - Liviu Lica

This thread is now closed. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

No, NOW it's closed. - Chris Charabaruk

Or is it? :) - Liviu Lica

Perhaps now... - Garin Kilpatrick

I would give it another 2 hrs or so. - Jeff

thats me! :) - Roshan Ramachandran

based on what you say, it easier to simply click like :-) - Orli Yakuel

:) - Michael Fidler

"Comment on a friendfeed item"? which one? ;) - Thierry R. Andriamirado

Are trying to go for the longest comment thread again? - Amit Morson

Amit: no, most times one post gets hidden. - Robert Scoble

In a different timezone you can have the advantage :) - Rene de Vries

Okay, people, nothing to see here. Just walk on. This is the last comment. It's all clear now. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

What if you write backwards? Does that help? - Kieran Daly

Okay, people, nothing to see here. Just walk on. This is the last comment. It's all clear now. says Ruud van Wijngaarden - Julian Edward

It would be nice if we could pick the number of comments shown at the top and bottom, I'd like to see the first 3 and last 3 for example. - Kol Tregaskes

I usually read all the comments of something I'm interested in. I don't just read the top and bottom ones so I don't care where I come in. I comment on what I want to because I want to say something. It's nice if the original poster reads/responds to it, but not absolutely necessary. Most of the time the most fun/interaction comes from other commenters. - Molly

:) says Michael Fidler - Julian Edward

Sounds like an online auction...Is there any deadline? Then I'll prepare my winning speech 17,3 sec beforehand. - Zack Brandit

I'm not falling for your postbait, Scoble! Oh wait...crap. - caj needs a haircut

Cow tipping - That's Funny - Brent - Yes I am

Good point. - Jack Boyle

I feel sorry for the cows. And the grass. I am weakhearted I guess. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

I guess I misunderstood. You were talking about that fat waittress in Crazy Mick's Breakaway Cafe, weren't you? - Ruud van Wijngaarden

Fine, I'm in - Don Bonaddio

am I last yet ? - Julian Edward

Nope - Jérôme

no - mjc

Yeah, you were last. Congrats. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

In ur timezone, stealin ur commentz, kthxbye :) - Peter Kelley

ok, I'll hold on to last place for visablity! - PaulJohnson

I was going to add something witty, but i got nothing. sorry.... - Mike Nencetti

No problem. Participating is more important than winning, we say in the Netherlands. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

It's the long-tail of real-time - zeroinfluencer

Excellent point David ;) - Don Bonaddio

Being last has one drawback. It makes you a thread-killer. I'm not sure some of us like being that. Sometimes I'd rather see the discussion keep going. - George Hall (Australia)

Do like the suggestion made earlier that there should be bonus points for being the thread-killer... - George Hall (Australia)

but who wants to be last? - mcvictor

Ok Robert, please close this thread now. ;) - Meryn Stol

I disagree, and I'll tell you why below... - FFing Enigma

We already did this thread, I'll post the link right after Tina's rebuttal - Rah-PM 2012

You don't really believe that Robert. Content is key! :-) - Mathew A. Koeneker

But if I post last, I'm first in the thread on Twhirl! Double win! ;-) - Julie Barrett from twhirl

amazing - David Gross from email

Always happy to be last .... but it probably won't last :) - Charlie Anzman

llllllaaaaasssssstttttt - mjc

You'd be right Charlie :P - Jay

And there is nothing I hate more than reading that first comment that childishly claims "First!" and nothing more. "Last!" (until the next comment comes along) - Jim Espinoza

By the way, I'm the last commenter in a very participated thread recently started by Robert Scoble, but that didn't gain me almost any new follower. I'm fine with this though, as I'd find silly being advantaged for being the last commenter ;-) - Opensource Obscure

Agreed :) - Fabian De Simone

How do I stick my comment to the bottom so that it will always be last? :) - Jeff Sayre

How long can this go on? - Tom Landini

Last! ...for now - Scott

So this if why Scoble goes nuts over realtime feeds - he can be the first to comment. - Tom Landini

Well, every comment gets to be last for at least a couple of seconds. Or fractions of a second with RT. - The original Kevin

If you want to understand the power of last you need to read this thread http://friendfeed.com/mikenay... - WoH: Minding her Steves

"There is no final solution. There is no last word.” ~ Carlos Fuentes - Sharon McPherson

First is way better, because the last post can always change :) - Tim McDougall

http://last.fm - Garin Kilpatrick

Easy to be first, harder to be last. Kind of like trying to win a silent auction, you always have to go back - Lorraine Ball

but what if it took me a while to find the discussion, and i still want to be last? ;-) - Courtney Engle

Firs...Last. - Rob

@Rob - in yo' face! - JoEllen

The one who will comment after me is so stupid I would'nt like to be him :P - stanjourdan

Yoink! - Zach Lytwyn

112 comments - but there can never be last comment, can there? Unless there is a FF limit on the number of comments - Paul, is there a limit? - WoH: Minding her Steves

The current last comment is the next penultimate comment. - Brian Sullivan

Not everyone is on here to market themselves to infinity. Why people, other than people who actually make money off of exposure, insist on wanting the most friends on ff/fb/ms/tt is beyond me. Not everyone is a Scobilite! Yes I did just make that word up... where do I copyright it? lol - Jason Williams

Didn't someone blog about tinyurl's dominance a while back - about how they have too much power. Might have been Gillmor or Winer - Bwana ☠

Winer. I don't think they have too much power - Steve Gillmor

I'm going for last. - Derek Markham

I've got last:-) - Francine Hardaway

I'm the ultimate thread killer, so I win. - JCunwired

instahide - Edward Zwart

How can we compete against Robert - Peter Meng

Peter: why compete? Just come in last! :-) - Robert Scoble

ok - Kevin Johnson

Just checking. I heard this thread was closed, so I wondered if commenting still works. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

For the love; Robert please kill this tread so I will stop getting email. ;) - Jeff

wow that's pretty rad :-) - Patphelan

@Jeff, it's not spam if you opt in ;-) - Kevin Johnson

wonder what the value of posting on page length increments are... as people page down your comment is visible ;) - offbeatmammal

Jeff: do you still get email if you hide a thread? I bet you do. That sucks. Now I know why I don't turn on email notifications. - Robert Scoble

There is no last. - Mobius Loop - Robert Couture

to infinity and beyond - Jonathan Grimes

Kevin: i did not say it was spam. I put the smiley face indicating my partial joking nature. but only partial. - Jeff

Robert: I could not figure out how to disable comments for particular post. It is really not a big issue since I have gmail, but I do think this post may never die. - Jeff

@Jeff - same here - noworries - Kevin Johnson

- Rob

This. Will. Never. End. - Michael Forian

Pay me $10 and I'll delete this thread. (Future friendfeed monetization technique). Sigh. - Robert Scoble

Your comment is always the last! look at mine :) - Luis Benavides

Welcome to the neverending thread :) - Garin Kilpatrick

Garin: I'll delete it before it ends. :-) - Robert Scoble

Robert: That would be a shame. You'd be up $10 at least though :) - Garin Kilpatrick

The last shall be last - Peter Meng

There can be only one. - Kevin Johnson

I seem to be last on many of Steve Gillmor's posts @techcrunchit, the kiss of death to many a conversation. I should be so lucky here. - Aron Michalski from fftogo

A good way to stop? - Scoble puts in his penultimate comment Kevin Johnson says zaloom! - Julian Edward

Yes, you should be so lucky :p - Jesse Newhart

I'm going to change my FriendFeed ID to "145 more comments" - Mark Traphagen

Getting a piece of the pie... :) - Jan Ole Peek

I've often found myself to have the last comment. It hasn't benefited me yet that I've noticed...let's try that again. - Mike Lewis

first is forever....last is a very transient honor indeed. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

and being both is probably meaningless, but I'm still going to claim it - Kevin Johnson

Do others ever get more than 2 comments on their posts? :) - Cameron

I'm lucky to get 2. - JCunwired

Doing it!! www.radarla.com - Drew Lucas

So, if you are last and then someone comes behind you, should you re-comment to be last again? - T.S. Elliott

Probably so T.S. but it won't last long ;) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Sorry Rob:-) - Michael Fidler

1 - Robert Kenney

2 - Robert Kenney

This is the Seinfeld of FF....the post and comments about nothing. I wonder what the record is for the most comments on FF? - Jeff

As a fine-art platform, as a painting, do you think anyone would be interested in a full-screen image feed animated by Judith Supine? http://www.flickr.com/photos... - stephen harlow

He who comments last... - Abbas Haider Ali

comments as: - Kevin Johnson

Tag- Im it - Ryan Gerritsen

not anymore you're not ;) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

zaloom! - Kevin Johnson

for one moment I could imagine that every comment was Kevin Johnson and his "zaloom!" - WoH: Minding her Steves

ANd so I do and then another and another :) Fun huh. - Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa

not really... but hey... whatever - Chris Heath

So to comment or to like a FriendFeed item is to promote it.. and to promote the promoter. Great great great! - Thierry R. Andriamirado

173rd!! - Mark Traphagen

Controlled noise... - Joe Dawson

Indeed it is official :) But not for long let me bask in it's glory for a moment hahaha. - Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa

It was fun while it lasted. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

It's over now - no need to post any more comments - Julian Edward

Okay, Thanks. It was taking too much of my time anyway. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

Nicholas: Except this thread is far more epic :) - Garin Kilpatrick

back again...to claim last place! - Zach Lytwyn

Good for you Zach! - Ruud van Wijngaarden

Cannot. Let. This. End. - Robert Couture

Have. To. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

hit hit hit - Hans Mestrum

Kol: Cool idea, it would be neat to be able to choose how many of the first and last comments were visible. - Garin Kilpatrick

Last - Michael Fidler

I like most anything distilled...information, bait...(distilled bait...is that like the worm at the bottom of the mezcal?) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

The difference would be that in this case the worm will stay on the bottom. No matter what. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

I reckon it'll be Ruud van Wijngaarden - Julian Edward

I am not quite sure about that. But willing to accept it. (Wait! You just called me a worm? The most underrated but valuable animal on the planet, that brings us fertile ground and eats dead stuff? It is a nice compliment, but might be a bit much). - Ruud van Wijngaarden

No, No! - I didn't mean you worm. Although as you say they are useful beings. I do hope you'lll be in heroic position of last commenter! This is a case of the last shall be second. (Kevin Johnson being first of course). Scoble is penultimate we would hope. I'm aiming for 5th to last! - Julian Edward

Yesterday somebody asked: 'if you pass the number two in a race, which place are you in?' and I answered wrong. Passing the last one in this race will be hard... - Ruud van Wijngaarden

The last comment shall be mine! :) - Garin Kilpatrick

Woot, last comment. ;) - Jimminy, CoG of FF

mine - Michael Fidler

NOPE - Jimminy, CoG of FF

Mmmm. I always hoped I would be last. - Ruud van Wijngaarden from email

I think it is hard to be first and even harder to be last.. just look at this thread.. http://ff.im/1hqgl - David Gross

Last comment? - Jeff P. Henderson

you mean Twitter Gar1n? You were talking on TWITTER WEREN'T YOU! LIAR "friendfeeed Garin" pfttttt still the same bi-polar - sofarsoShaw BAZINGA!

Interesting comment, SFSS, very interesting indeed. So interesting, in fact, that I think that nothing further needs to be added to this thread. Ever. - WoH: Minding her Steves

אתם כל כך מלא חרא, אבל זו בעיה שלך, לא שלי :-) - David Gross from email

actually i don't know how not to be the last commenter :) - İ. Emre Kutlu

Me too.. - David Gross from email

If only I could puncture the depths of Scoble's scratch-the-surface brain fart, techno-vangelizing, then I'd actually care WHOLE HEARTEDLY about this meaningfully retarded thread. - sofarsoShaw BAZINGA!

The only way this thread can be made even more ridiculous and anachronistic is to move it to identi.ca.. Myspace would work, too. - Tal Shafik

Interesting ;) - Alex

And since you can't guarantee being last unless you are the originator of the thread or can convince the originator to end comments (but since Robert is AWOL that is unlikely) -- you better be first. ;-) - Brian Sullivan

Stuff - Jonathan Hardesty

Okay, admittedly being the last IS visible...but who REALLY wants to be the thread-killer? - George Hall (Australia)

apparently, some people http://friendfeed.com/ajbatac... http://friendfeed.com/silas21... http://friendfeed.com/mikenay... (notice 2000+ comments!) - Chris Heath

I think I remember commenting on one of those threads...and it's STILL going???? - George Hall (Australia)

Hey, this one's from May... it's about to hit its own anniversary! - Chris Heath

I'm surprised this only has a little over 200 comments. - Jason Williams

201 - David Gross

213 ? Original Zlaloom! + 212 more comments including this one. The last one. - Julian Edward

don't be so sure about that... there's lots of people who like to be thread killers or last... just wait and watch - Chris Heath

yes - that's very true - Julian Edward

Sage words Robert - Sage words indeed! - PaulJohnson

See??? I told you! - Chris Heath

yep - you were right - Julian Edward

It doesn't seem to work in the long term. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

Vegas had to go in this morning to the vet to have a little benign cyst taken off her back. It was about the size of a pencil eraser, but it'll be good to have it removed. See you tonight, Puppy Girl! - Derrick

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Happy thoughts and positive vibes being sent out for Vegas and Derrick. Hope all works out as perfectly boring as possible! Good looking dog. - Morgan

Just got the phone call from the vet. Everything went well. She's waking up now and should be good to go after work. See you in a bit, pup! - Derrick

what a cute puppy. glad the surgery went well. - Trish Haley

Very cute pup - glad things went well. Hope she's got lots of treats waiting for her ... - Patrick Jordan

That's a damn cute doggie. - Anika

Spidra, everyone thinks she's fake. They call her Teddy from the movie AI. When I told my co-worker that she went in this morning he asked if they were going to make her real. LOL. - Derrick

Glad to hear she's doing well. Adorable! - LB so u no it's real

She's adorable! Yorkie, or Yorkie-mix? - Nine

She's a Yorkie. A purebred who could NEVER be shown. Her legs are way long and she's big...about eight and a half pounds. She's like the Hummer of Yorkshire Terriers. - Derrick

Aw, best wishes to Vegas! - Carmen wBabby

Cute!!! Glad to hear it's benign! - Katy S

Is he a Brussels Griffon? I probably spelled that wrong. That is the dog I wanted. - Shevonne

Shevonne, she's a Yorkshire Terrier. - Derrick

Derrick: You make her WORK on the same day she has sugery? I know that times are hard and that everybody (and every doggie) needs to contribute, but come on! Give the little bitch the day off would ya??? --reference: "...should be good to go after work.... - Morgan

Wow Derrick, our old boy had same surgery today. He is home and still under anesthesia effects. - Janet-The Bottley Crue

gawd, she's adorable! :-) - Anna Haro

That's a fantastic shot. I hate you. - Akiva

I love you too, Akiva. - Derrick

[punches it in] - Akiva

Bump, for those unaffiliated with Vegas the Wonder Pup. - Derrick

whore! ha ha ha ha! just kidding. I love her and i haven't even met her! - Anna Lynn M.

I'm a sucker for cute dogs. - Julia Stewart

HOLY CRAP these tattoos LOL!! - Mona Nomura

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Well, at least it's not backwards - Rodfather

The Nike Swoosh and the Jesus "OMG LOL" made my jaw DROP. - Mona Nomura

hahahaha - Shevonne

At least they ended it with a unicorn chaser. Sorta. - invariant

ew ew ew is that hair growing from a mole? what does he do? comb it? - BEX

That's a stamp if ever I saw one & I'm NO tatoo specialist but, Teachers know stamps!!! - Disa Albanese

Oh sheesh - Mike Nayyar

What. The. Hell. - Zach Flauaus

This is one slide show worth looking through. The entire gallery made me EL OH EL. - Mona Nomura

One more from Alejandro http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news... - Mona Nomura

I'm sorry but the "OMG <insert Jesus image here> LOL" one made me laugh. - Nicholas Kreidberg

And the Lacoste OMG - Mona Nomura

I laughed at OMG Jesus LOL, but they had me at Patrick Swayze centaur Chippendale tattoo. - Andy Bakun

I love the stoned Pegasus unicorn sex with rainbows. - Sparky, lurking

XAXAXAXAXAXA - Dobromir Hadzhiev

I have to share this w/my sis so she has some sort of defense about why hers "isn't that bad" when dad freaks out - Sarah Perez

I love these collections. Makes me feel better about my own choices. - Just Katie

<----- I'm With Stupid - Mike Lewis

Some people get the most idiotic tats. lol - orionstarr

wow just wow - Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど

in my view, any and every tattoo is deplorable, rather disgusting para-culture .. where did it start? in prison, with gangs? ... and tattoo on a lady is doubly questionable, and unelegant ... I mean, where is this world going to? - pb:

Petr - tattoos can be beautiful works of art, it's just that they often are not. - Sparky, lurking

Petr, tattoos have been around as long as man. Tattoos have been found on mummified bodies from as early as neolithic times and present in cultures around the world. These are awesome though! I love bad tattoos :) - Jason

Petr, you are very judgmental and I'm not just talking about this thread. You need to relax a little. - Rah-PM 2012

I am judgmental, yes ... relaxed,also ... was it over the line what I said about tattooes? ..../////. IF the comment was over the rules, would the esteemed author of the post please delete it :] other than that, thank you for the advice :] - pb:

This book is available for the Kindle. Seems like the pictures would be the main draw, and I don't find that the Kindle is all that great for pictures, at least illustrations. Anyone have the Kindle version want to comment? - Andy Bakun

THIS is a best of breed product. And it will only cost you $600. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

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you didn't have a BetaMax picture? - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

/me gives Chris the stink-eye - Scoble, Alex Scoble

or 8-track player, maybe? heh. :-P - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

Honestly, tho, this is top-shelf for what it is. You are right on that! - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

I just need to know how quickly it loads discs, my Sony is painfully slow. - Jamie Ginsberg

Any word on price? - Andy Roth

$$$? - Shey

I can get it for $500. If you didn't sign up for the interest list early on you pay the regular $600. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Jason. PS3 is garbage compared to this. Don't make me hunt you down. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

It's likely, "If you have to ask how much it is..." - Kenton

Alex, are those new 500 gig holographic discs going to do anything to Blu-ray now, or is that more of a very long term future thing? - Mike Reynolds

Tagged this in delicious for future use - Mike Reynolds

I have no idea, Mike. I honestly don't know that media will last more than another 10-15 years on the whole. If most people aren't doing digital downloads by then, there's something wrong with the system. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

How can you know this is a best of breed product when it's not even out yet? Yesterday you were bashing people who give in to marketing hype... - Kevin Fox

I've been following it for over a year, Kevin. I've read reviews of one of the beta testers. It does things that no other BR player will do. It's Oppo. Oppo kicks ass. Want me to say more? I'm frothing at the bit to buy one. Want me to say more? HYPE! I HAZ IT! - Scoble, Alex Scoble

99% of people won't see any difference between this and the PS3. PS3 costs less and also plays games (and does some media serving, etc.) What quality of TV is required to make this a must-have relative to a device that someone may already have? - Tinfoil 2.0

Kevin, you're my new hero. - Akiva

Yup, fanboism. - Tinfoil 2.0

"True 24p™ Video - Many Blu-ray Discs are recorded at 24 frames per second, the same frame rate as the original movie's theatrical release. The BDP-83 can faithfully redeliver the original frames using 1080p 24Hz output (compatible display required) for smoother motion and a flicker-free, film-like home theater experience. It can also restore the original 24 frames per second progressive-scan video from well-authored DVDs and output as 1080p 24Hz." - Mike Reynolds

And two USB ports! - Mike Reynolds

Engadget had a nice hands on review of this and the comments made similar comparisons to the PS3. The differences line in the bitstream audio support and some of the more "high end" features that the PS3 lacks. - Kevin Kuphal

Robert has hijacked Alex's account, hasn't he? - John Craft

Hmmm. PS3 has 1080p24 and 4 (I think) USB ports. - Tinfoil 2.0

My PS3 has four USB ports. (And my TiVo has two!) - Kevin Fox

How shall I start? The PS3 is a horrible upscaling DVD player. This has the best upsampling solution on the market (Anchor Bay FTW). The PS3 doesn't play SACD. The PS3 doesn't output multichannel analog (for those who have a receiver/preamp with multichannel analog in but not HDMI 1.3. I could keep going, but I won't. This totally kicks the PS3's ass for BR duty. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

What he said. - Mike Reynolds

And the difference is that I'm hyped about a product that deserves the hype. It's TRULY best of breed, get it? This isn't fanboi-ism. This BR player does things that NO OTHER player does in one integrated high quality package. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Seriously, I'm sure its spec sheet is out of this world, but I'm looking forward to reading the reports of unbiased reviewers with production hardware before I judge whether it's worth the high price. I'm not saying it's not a best of breed product, but I look forward to actually finding out. - Kevin Fox

This is a great player, I've followed it for months myself. I'll keep my freebie Denon for awhile and probably wait for nextgen Oppo, but this was one hardware device I've been drooling over for my home theatre. - JCunwired

But again, the critical question... What quality of TV is required for the 99% to make this a must-have relative to a device that someone may already have (or one that costs less)? - Tinfoil 2.0

++LE the playback device is always the critical factor. Neil Young makes a rather impassioned argument about this for the audio side of the world. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

LE, you are beginning to annoy me. The big difference on this transport vs the PS3 is in the audio codecs that it can handle. So what TV you have doesn't matter...and you'll be able to tell the difference between this transport and the PS3 when playing a DVD on any 1080P TV. But the big difference is when you have a real home theater with a receiver/preamp that is capable of receiving the multichannel inputs from this beast. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

LE, there are two types of people when classifying gadgets (especially HT) - those that want the best there is given their budgets, and all the rest. :) Given that, its either a must-have or not. - JCunwired

Alex, looking forward to your advice when I'm ready to setup the theater room. We break ground on the new home tomorrow - but won't be ready for the home theater for perhaps 1-2 years. - Mike Reynolds

Coolness! - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Sorry but I think I will stick with my ps3. - tojfs7931

Good luck with that. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Oh my wow, that is a BEAUTY. - Mona Nomura

I always wondered how much different blu ray is to dvd, but I have not taken much time to look into it. What is the actual difference between the two? - Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa

oppo？ - junrxu

Blu-Ray is 4 times the resolution of DVD and also allows for lossless multichannel audio encoding/decoding. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

You are smoking crack if you think BR will only be around for 3 years. And it also plays DVDs and SACDs. And plenty of people are buying the PS3, which is inferior in just about every way just for the BR capabilities and it's $500. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Except, I can play PS3 and PS2 and PSX games on the PS3. - xero

Except, xero, most people that I know that bought the PS3 bought it to play Blu-Ray and not for games and couldn't care less about games anyhow. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

When you see studios seriously going to some other format, Matthew, let me know and I'll eat crow. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Looks interesting. Been searching for a spinning disc player for ahwile and haven't gooten one because I desperately don't want a PS3 and reasonable subs were so much more $'s. I'm looking forward to seeing some real world reviews of this! - felix from BuddyFeed

To whet your appetite, felix: http://www.prillaman.net/oppobdp... - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Ray, the medium itself is more than 5x the storage capacity. Image quality is 480 interlaced lines of vertical resolution for DVD vs. 1080 progressive for blu-ray. Blu-ray will blow your mind in comparison. - JCunwired

Matthew, we are seriously 5 to 10 years out from being able to deliver blu-ray quality content on the internet in any meaningful way. Netflix Instant isn't even DVD quality right now. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

And like I said, when you learn of a studio switching way from Blu-Ray, let me know. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Actually, jc, DVD is 480p. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Blu-ray's not going anywhere. There MAY be an increase in resolution in the next few years, but its going to be a long way off. Not everybody has the available bandwidth to download 1080p content, so the physical medium will be around for a long time. - JCunwired

If you don't care about quality, we shouldn't even be having a discussion. Be happy with You Tube and illegal downloads where you can hear people munching popcorn. - Eric

Not original DVD Alex :) - JCunwired

They backed HD-DVD because it used the Microsoft Codec. Money is in who controls the license royalties. - Eric

They would have loved for HD-DVD to survive. - Eric

LOL, Matthew. Microsoft couldn't keep HD-DVD going without content. And don't bet on BR being the last media based format either. If they come out with a 2160P spec or 4320P spec, it will again out pace any internet based delivery system. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

PS3 doesn't have 'True 24p' ? Can the OPPO play AVCHD from SDHC cards directly? That's all I really care about. - Rodfather

Since it doesn't have an SDHC card reader built in, it can't do it directly. It does however, have USB inputs for hooking up USB storage devices. Still not sure if it can handle that format. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

With technology advances in blu-ray pushing more and more layers (up to 200gb if I recall), even at 4320p a full length movie with 7.1 sound will still fit on a blu-ray disk. It ain't going away anytime soon. - JCunwired

Sorry, it will play that format. So perhaps using a SDHC USB reader? - Scoble, Alex Scoble

I assume it support AVCHD through burned DVD's and Blu-Ray, but I would like direct playback from SDHC cards.. since well, camcorders record to SDHC cards. - Rodfather

Looking at the spec sheet, it says it can play video video through USB, so I guess it works? - Rodfather

Even if it kicks the PS3's ass, the price point is way too high. While they may not buy the PS3 to play games, the fact is is that it can play games and do a crapload of stuff that this can't. The tradeoff being better upscaling? Not sure that's worth the $200 & no added functionality premium. Does it do Netflix? - John Rubier

You're all missing the point. This isn't a consumer device. This is another device that a -phile buys to prove how much better their system is than yours. Same people that spend hundreds and thousands on speakers and other stuff that the average person can't tell the difference using. - Kevin Kuphal

To call the Oppo a super high end product is not correct. Their specialty is bringing quality for an affordable price. I don't understand how you can say all speakers are the same. Really? - Eric

They're not the same, but in my environment - and I imagine many other people's - spending extra cash on them (like most other devices of this nature), is just throwing it away compared to affordable alternatives. - Kevin Kuphal

$600 is not an affordable price for something to watch movies with. After a certain point, for the majority of one's listening, speakers are indistinguishable. Perceived speaker quality for most people is logarithmic. Most can tell the diff between a $20 one and a $70, a few less the $70 and $150 one, and almost nobody can tell the diff between the $150 and the $600 one. The same is... more... - xero

Kevin, I won't argue the point with you, but you're way wrong. Those passionate about their gear research and compare, and there really is a difference. People don't buy better gear to look down their noses at others, people do so because quality is important. Live with it or not, but you can move along to a thread where you can carry on a quality conversation. :) - JCunwired

Considering the Denon flagship Blu-ray player is $3800, yes, this is affordable. Where are you finding a name brand $150 Blu Ray profile 2.0 player? If you want to talk DVD's are the same, let's not talk. - Eric

Still with the physical media? Meh. - iTad

Tad, just like everything I get excited about, it won't be ready for a while. - Eric

Is the movie different with 2.0 vs 1.0? Didn't think so... - Kevin Kuphal

Eric, don't mind Tad. He'd rather have the compromised quality of modern digital media than better quality delivered on physical media. - Akiva

I'll wait for a portable 1080p Blu-Ray player. If portable and 1080p is even possible. A PS3 should be good enough for me today, but, I'm still putting it off. - Rodfather

JC. I'm just not convinced that a $600 player or $1000 speakers can increase my enjoyment to a level worth the extra money. I do the same, research, buy quality components, but there's quality, and then there's levels of detail that, to me, don't really matter for my level of enjoyment. - Kevin Kuphal

Akiva is right, actually. I don't mind a lower quality video in exchange for not having to own yet another meatspace object. In due time I'll end up with the same quality as what you guys have now with less clutter. I suppose I'd care if I had a big TV and awesome audio system. - iTad

Rod, it's fine. I have the Sony BDP-S300 player and won't be upgrading anytime soon. We can't always be on the upgrade cycle. I prefer dedicated players for video. Too much noise from game systems for me. - Eric

Tad, yeah; that's the big difference right there: when you have a 40+ inch 1080/24p flat panel LCD with 5.1 surround sound and blah blah blah, digital media just doesn't cut it on any movie you care about the presentation of. - Akiva

Tad, I love downloads, but the compromise is too much for a big motion picture experience. I use NetFlix streaming, but only for one off stuff and TV shows. - Eric

Those prices were for speakers, not Blu-Ray players. And it's not a matter of comparison to other high end equipment, it's a matter of comparison to what the average consumer is willing to spend. Yeah, it's a great deal if you were considering the obtusely expensive one. I also wasn't talking about the diff between DVD and Blu-Ray. Anyone can see that difference. I was talking about the diff between 1080p on PlayerA and PlayerB or upscaling one's favorite movie on PlayerA and PlayerB. - xero

Unless you ripped a Blu-Ray movie to MKV and put it on a HD ;) - Rodfather

Kevin, acknowledged. Thats a lot nicer way of putting it, thanks :) - JCunwired

We used to have a huge DVD library, but eventually we realized that almost ALL of it was one off stuff that we never watched again. We've never had a decent home theatre room and there's just too many other things we'd rather spend money on. Eventually I'll be watching 1080p movies while you guys are watching full motion 25MP video or something. - iTad

Xero, you are right. The average consumer argument can always be made. Really, good enough is good enough for many. I won't knock that. But, DVD made its way to the mainstream, when VHS was good enough. CRT SDTVs were good enough, but many are buying flat screen HDTVs. I'm saying the average Joe finds the technology eventually. - Eric

Speaking of MKV support, is the JVC XV-PB1 any good? http://www.engadgethd.com/2009... - Rodfather

@Rodfather. Well said. Right now I'm ripping and transcoding WALL-E DVD to Nero Digital to put on my MythTV video library. I will barely be able to tell the difference and it will take up half the space the full DVD does. Same will likely hold true when I move to Blu-ray. I'll have a basic player for the Netflix rentals but digital is where it's at for me. - Kevin Kuphal

Eric, yes, they do. And they can do so because enthusiasts absorb the R&D costs on the front line equipment, weed out the stuff that isn't as "good", and promote the stuff that is good. Eventually, the tech gets cheaper due to larger productions and better processes and the average joe gets it in their home at a good price. The process works, I just don't like how excited everyone gets when the prices are still so far above where they should be. I'm just here to bring some perspective to the mix. ;) - xero

I think you are making a generic argument about early adopter tech when this specific player is putting high end features into a much more affordable player. I say this player is pushing that price point down, not up. Is it too rich for many still? Yes. For those that wanted the high end quality, but not the price, Oppo is bringing home the bacon. Should this player be $50? No, the R&D is still expensive. In 4 or 5 years, when the parts are all carbon copy and cheap, then maybe. It happens to all tech. - Eric

Rodfather, my favorite site for A/V gear says there is no review out yet, but folks there are liking it http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb... - JCunwired

"I just don't like..." So that puts it all into perspective. End of argument :) - JCunwired

Would be cool if it supported streaming 1080p through the network. That way I could store movies on the desktop, and keep the loud equipment away from the living room. - Rodfather

Rodfather, cant quite figure that out. Engadget says it does, but the guys on avsforum say thats not mentioned in the manual. That part raised my eyebrows too. - JCunwired

Rodfather, here's a good briefing on a few from CES. Check out what's said about the Samsung BDP-4600 http://www.highdefdigest.com/news... - JCunwired

Interesting w/ the WiFi dongle for Netflix. It's probably only for low bit-rate stuff. - Rodfather

I'm a big movie buff (own a ton of DVDs) but I just can't get into migrating to Blue Ray - just seems like a dead-end (like most physical media). Digital downloads are my long-term upgrade solution. - timepilot

I don't own many DVDs except for the ones I use to demo my system. Very few movies, in my opinion are worth watching more than once. Which is why I use Netflix. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

That is strange. I can't find the Apple logo. I thought only Apple products produced this level of fanaticism. - stretta from twhirl

stretta, there are some real companies out there doing great things that produce this level of fanaticism without the quasi-religious furor and millions of dollars in marketing. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

And I imagine that they are working on a cheaper model that doesn't have all the analog goodness. Time will tell. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

I'm on the fence for getting this, by the way. I'm not sure I can really afford it right now and we just aren't watching enough movies at home to make it worthwhile. I'd be saving $100 buying it now, but there's no sense in going broke saving money. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Even less sense going broke saving money on something you likely won't use at all by next year. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

Heh, Chris. You are smoking some good herb, but that's ok. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

I don't think so, but I don't even know what Viewmaster is. - Scoble, Alex Scoble from IM

Wow...did I totally just walk in to that one. *gobsmacked* - Scoble, Alex Scoble

LOL!! I wondered too Alex. Hadn't heard Viewmaster for a very long time. I think our cogs both clicked into place at about the same time. - JCunwired

You can post to a room by emailing <groupname>@friendfeed.com and direct message by emailing <username>@friendfeed.com - Bret Taylor

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like - AmirAli + i

That's cool. - Andrew Smith

did i just notice the new bookmarklet too? - patrick

brilliant! - Edward Zwart

Awesome! - Anthony K. Valley ©

Hehehe... Nice :D - Johnny

You can add email addresses to your account from your settings: http://friendfeed.com/... - Bret Taylor

You can post from any email address associated with your account. Email notifications will go to your primary address. - Tudor Bosman

Currently, we support automatic posting (without going through an "approve" page) for Gmail, Yahoo, and MSN/Hotmail/Live.com. We will add more email providers in the future, and we will also have a technical document on what an ISP needs to do in order to get added. - Tudor Bosman

I thought a saw a "hello world" yesterday that got deleted rather quickly :) - Frankie Warren

Isn't this a huge spam vector? All I have to know is someone's email address to mail from and I can send stuff to FF? - Brian Sullivan

Brian: we use a number of methods including SPF to verify that emails came from the actual owner of the email address. If we can't verify, we make the entry go through an approval step before it is posted. - Bret Taylor from email

What Bret said; that's why we only support a few email providers right now. - Tudor Bosman from email

You should add more Twitter sharing options, so that I can have emailed-posts automatically tweeted. (like by emailing twitter@friendfeed.com). Then FF can become a replacement for services like twitpic - Daniel Sims

So I could get spammed just by needing to approve posts that didn't come from me? - Brian Sullivan

I don't see any way to turn it off for my account - does such a feature exist? - Brian Sullivan

I just tried to send an email to a private group from a different email account and the request to approve it was sent back to the email address from which I sent the direct message. Is this the intended behavior? - Shakeel Mahate

Shakeel: Yes. In order to approve the post, you have to log in to FriendFeed if you aren't logged in already. - Tudor Bosman

Brian: as Shakeel noted, the approval request will be sent to the email address that was used to post. If someone is trying to spam, they will receive the approval request, not you. In order to approve, though, they would have to log in to FriendFeed, so they can only impersonate you if they know your FriendFeed password. - Tudor Bosman

Wow this is awesome. - Mona Nomura

It is sent to the address that the user claimed does it not ? If they claimed to be me I would get the request? Spam may be an over statement -- but it certainly could be annoying. - Brian Sullivan

Curious if setting the reply to different than the from will have effect on this? registered with yahoo, but yahoo sends out all mail with gmail as reply to... - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Brian, that is correct. We will address this issue if it becomes a real problem; we do have some spam-prevention measures in place. - Tudor Bosman

Rob: you need to associate with your account the address that you send from (that is, the address in the From: header). - Tudor Bosman

Tudor, I think your solution is brilliant, thank you. - Shakeel Mahate

And an IM bot - that would make my work interface a breeze - Nicholas Paul Gordon from Nambu

Nicholas: The IM bot is there. Just set it up and use it :-) I'm getting some notices now....going to test sends in a sec - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Tudor: thanks for the clarification - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Nicholas: we have been supporting IM notifications and replies by IM for a while now. Is this not working for you? See http://friendfeed.com/setting... - Tudor Bosman

Tudor: I'm not seeing IM notifications on "comments on posts I commented on" (and maybe same for posts I liked - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Rob: we just added that feature last night, so yeah, it's possible that there are some bugs. Looking into it. - Tudor Bosman

Thanks Tudor. I'll be keeping an eye out for it...I've only got those set (but I did get blasted before I turned off the "Home Feed" notifications - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

pretty cool - Shevonne

If you're not using Gmail, Yahoo, or whatever, do you have to approve each time you post something? - Tom Landini

this is a gr8 feature.. - Amit

Tom: yes, for now, but stay tuned for improvements. - Tudor Bosman

Thanks Tudor. - Tom Landini

Not seeing IM posts to @me going thru. :( This makes me a sad panda. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Added another mail to stream via cellphone, but confirmation reply never came in, a bug maybe? - Nir Ben Yona

great stuff! i mean ..stuFF .... thanks! ..you are the befft ! .. and will be even beffer .. Im quite sure about that .. LoFFe all the new ffeatures. ! ......... do you think to enable also x@ff.im? it might be handy, save typing - pb:

AND you guys successfully omitted email signatures from DMs and posts! - Mona Nomura

is that new Mona? The last DM I sent via email included my signature. (was a few days ago) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

is there email notifications for groups?? i know you can post to groups via email, but i dont see the way to turn on emails out of groups. - Frankie Warren

So that means no more using the remote key in the email address? That's SWEET. - Jandy

Frankie—Not yet. For now you can add the groups you'd like to receive notifications for to a friend list and enable email notifications for that list. - Dan Hsiao

Dan: Thanks for the work around... I hope a more intuitive method eventually shows up :) - Frankie Warren

Sweet! - TheHenry

Hey everyone reading this on Twitter - come join the party on Friendfeed :) - Phill Price

I leave for a few hours and FF Co. goes and WINs all over the place. Can't leave you alone for a second :) - grant fox

Mona, Rob: we tweaked the email signature detection code a bit, and should get rid of the default signatures from iPhone, Blackberry, and WinMo phones, as well as small variations (HI MONA). If you want to ensure that your signature gets dropped, configure the signature to include "-- " (two dashes and a space) on a line by itself before the actual signature text. - Tudor Bosman

Bret, it looks good, liking the new email and IM features. I've still got a huge suggestions and bug list. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Grant, I went off to watch a rare bit of TV then come back to all this! LOL. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

The notifications rock ! Great work ! - Ahsan Ali

wow, this is very impressive - Peter Efland

I could not post via email, because I guess I never confirmed my email address. I updated my email with the same one and clicked on the link that was subsequently sent to me. Now posts via email work. - Chip Ramsey

Is old interface via mail2ff going anywhere? I'd like to continue authorizing my posts with remotekey. - Alex Kapranoff

Alex: mail2ff will continue to work - Bret Taylor

Ryo -- is your gmail address in your ff list of email addresses? - Brian Sullivan

Ryo: That may be the same thing that was happening to me. Did you try to add the same email address again? It should fire a confirmation email that provides a link. After I clicked the link, I was then able to send posts via my email. - Chip Ramsey

Ryo: BTW, I'm also on gmail and everything works fine now, so gmail itself probably is not the problem. - Chip Ramsey

Nice... I will update my contact list asap! Feature heaven...mmmm - Susan Beebe

Any word on getting other mail addresses to only need authorization once? Have to approve my emails from my cell phone every time is a royal pita!! Pretty please make att.net a single-authorization mail????? Especially since it's an authorized address!! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan

I'm with Rudi. I'm also with ATT.net so will wait for solutions. Molly - Molly from email

So should we replace the old <username>+plaza360demos@mail2ff.com with share@friendfeed.com ? - scott willeke

Here at the office, we use it to forward all of our mercurial changelog emails, server push notifications, etc to a private group. That way, we all see what's going on in real-time (thanks to the notifier: http://friendfeed.com/setting...), and can easily discuss them from the FriendFeed interface. To add a secret email address, click on "Import a service" in the "settings" dialog of any group. For regular posting, you should continue to use the normal email interface though (share@friendfeed.com or groupname@friendfeed.com, see http://friendfeed.com/share... for details). Thanks to Tudor for writing and launching this! - Paul Buchheit

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Shhh! This is very sekret! - Andrew Trinh

Interesting. My secret FriendFeed toy. - phil baumann

I'm in my Private Group, but for the life of me I cannot find this option. Wouldn't it be under Edit Settings? - Nick in Manila

Ah. NOW I see it. - Nick in Manila

I am loving this feature idea... Very savvy for business use. Thanks! - Susan Beebe

Matthew: No. Your home feed only shows things that you're subscribed to. Of course, if you're a member of a group whose admin allows anonymous posting, and you have that group on your home feed, then the anonymous posts will show up there -- but then, you can always leave the group or remove it from your home feed. - Tudor Bosman

oh this is genius. there's so many use cases that can leverage this. platform +1 - Sameer

Groups already allow "anonymous" posts -- if you (as an admin) add a service to a group, posts originating from that service will show as belonging to the room, not to any particular user. You can think of anonymous posts (whether imported from RSS services, or posted by email) as being the responsibility of the group admins -- it's their job to police them if they deem necessary. - Tudor Bosman

I see this working for the Confessions room. What else? - Josh Haley

Sounds like the email can be sent from any arbitrary email address, not necessarily one registered with FriendFeed for an account? So the secret really needs to be kept secret to valid potential posters only. - Tinfoil 2.0

Logical Extremes: Yes, that is the point; it doesn't matter what address you send *from*. Sometimes you can't control the address that mail gets sent from. A few examples: your datacenter can notify you by email of any problems affecting your servers, but you'd prefer these notifications to go to a FriendFeed group. You are subscribed to a low-volume distribution list, but you'd rather... more... - Tudor Bosman

Paul has explained how we use this feature internally at FriendFeed. If one of us checks in a change (we use Mercurial for source control), Mercurial sends an email to a secret email address for a private group (that all FF engineers are subscribed to); the others see the change immediately, and we can discuss it in comments. - Tudor Bosman

Cool! Very useful for room owners. If you don't have instructions, it's very hard to find. "Sekret" - AJ Batac :)

LD: I don't understand. To which of my examples are you referring? - Tudor Bosman

Oh yeah. Laughing uncontrollably. WOW. - Webferret

It sounds like a pro-spam feature. Have you thought through all the consequences? - Tim Tyler

Tim: the group admins should keep the address secret and only share it with trusted services. If the address gets leaked, then the group can get spammed, in which case the group admins can delete it or change it (which prevents all future mail to the old address from being posted to the group). We believe it to be reasonably secure, but please let us know if you notice any problems. - Tudor Bosman

Matthew: :) - Tudor Bosman

Tudor, you said: "posts originating from that service will show as belonging to the room, not to any particular user". But the posts /do/ show up as belonging to the admin user in a _search result_. - Ahsan Ali

Ahsan, that's a bug that already existed with how searches handle imported content in groups (not specific to this release and already on our list, thanks). - Dan Hsiao

LD: You're right, you can't reply from within FriendFeed. You could have the contact form send email to both the internal group and a regular email address, which you can then use to send a reply. - Tudor Bosman

Tudor: btw. regarding mercurial, what's your experience using mercurial in friendfeed vs perforce in google? - Amund Tveit

Tudor - what I really like is the business use cases you're laying out here, including your own internal engineering ones. Good stuff, as my e2.0 buddy Sameer above says. - Hutch Carpenter

using this feature to post blog uptime statistics for several blog to blog owners - Jeroen De Miranda

Its a good feeling when you know that the people behind a certain product know what there doing. Dont we FF Team? - Webferret

Use case? How can one use the best readily filtering system available (Gmail filters) with best of breed group collaboration (Friendfeed). This is GOING to become the best in its class. I can drop so many business tools(that i pay for) for just FF Private rooms - Webferret

Already is Webferret, already is... - Chris Heath

sweet - D Lets

Turn Gmail Into Your Personal Nerve Center http://www.micropersuasion.com/2007... - Webferret

Amund: Mercurial works. We use it in a mostly-centralized setup (one central repo that we sync to very often). Can't really compare performance -- our repositories are tiny compared to Google's. We can take this offline if you'd like to discuss this in more detail. - Tudor Bosman

That's a great add-on. Slowly, FF is going to be our "life center" - Özkan Altuner

So this is kinda like when you posted the "advert"? :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Kol: not quite; the "shameless self-promotion" showed up as an entry in your home feed, without any user (or group) name attached to it. Entries imported into a room (via RSS or via email) show up as being in that room. - Tudor Bosman

OK, Tudor. I'll give it a test later. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

This is a cool idea, but it only seems to import the mail subject title only. Is that right, if so, how do we get the content of the mail in, or is it not meant to do that? - Keith Bennett from BuddyFeed

Keith: it works for me. The subject goes in the main post (FF thread title?) and the message appears as a comment to the thread. Maybe you are sending an HTML e-mail? - alieb

Cheers alieb, I just tested it by forwarding the first mail in my inbox and that didn't show anything up. Creating a mail and adding some text to the mail body works correctly. Thanks for the help. - Keith Bennett

I just figured out a new use for this feature and it goes in line with Kevin Rose's idea for an Open Source security system. http://www.facebook.com/video... He was talking about having a neighborhood watch like program. Well each neighborhood can have a private room here in FF. If someone tripped an alarm in your house, it would send an email to the secret email for the private group and everyone in the group could be notified via email,IM,SMS,etc. - BRҰANSAҰS

I think this secret address should be reminded somewhere in each group settings window. - Zackatoustra

@Bryan Lee. shhhh lol - Webferret

Zacaktoustra: group admins will see the address in the "services" window (click "add/edit" under Services in the settings dialog). Other group members will only see the words "secret email address", as, well, the address is supposed to be secret and only visible to admins. - Tudor Bosman

could we have this for home feeds as well? some 3rd party messaging services will send from various addresses. great feature, thanks! - Mike Chelen

I'm blonde so maybe need to tell you what I'd like to do and see if it works: I would like to have my ATT mail, my Yahoo mail AND my gmail all feed into a FF room so I could read it all at the same time (ATT and Yahoo are partnered so you can't sign into both at the same time. Both go through Yahoo's sign in page.) Is this possible to create? Having ATT and Yahoo feed into my Gmail through FF would be okay as well, btw. I get FF feeds through GMail already. - Molly

Molly, what you're asking for is totally unrelated to this thread. If i was you I would set up gmail to receive the mail from your other email addresses. It's a bit complicated but can be done. Try reading this lifehacker gmail article first: http://lifehacker.com/374610... - Chris Heath

Well said Heath - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

Heath, thanks. I told you I'm blonde. :-P I tried your suggestion already and so far haven't been able to hook ATT and Yahoo to my Gmail (both being POP accounts) w/o paying extra. Will work on it again later. It's not THAT much trouble to check all three accounts from different sources. - Molly from email

Molly, another option (if att offers it - i know yahoo does) is to set up forwarding so the email is automatically forwarded from ATT and Yahoo to your gmail address. Then once in gmail you can use filtering (by the to: field) to separate out the emails - Chris Heath

I think that's the paid service from Yahoo. At least it was when I investigated it a few months ago. Thanks for thinking about it for me, though. Us techblondes need all the help we can get re: setting stuff up. I'm kind of on hold right now anyway (trying to recover my domain name and identity....... long story and boring to all but me). Molly - Molly from email

Wow! This is awesome! Thanks. - Svartling

cool neat improvements, gotta like this shit. - Dorothy Mercredi

Bella on left and Bruno on right. <3 - Carmen wBabby from Bookmarklet

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so adorable - @CrystalinaB

I know they look like it, but they're not related. But they don't mind being called twins, especially if they can be in the same boat with the other cute FF twin babies. :) - Carmen wBabby

They need treats! - Scoble, Alex Scoble

they are cuties & need some treats from the baker's dog ;) - mike "glemak" dunn

Mike, they got treats from the Baker's Dog today. :) I think I gave them peanut butter & honey ones. - Carmen wBabby

Trish, it would be hilarious to put them in FF shirts!!! Here they are in their Falcon shirts: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Carmen wBabby

Seeing this makes me have need for fur fix. Must kiss those puppies for me! - Janet-The Bottley Crue

Will do, Janet! - Carmen wBabby

ah cool - mine like the cheese and bacon ones, for the those playing at home - http://bakersdog.com/ - mike "glemak" dunn

My doggie's name is Carmen, but he's a shih tzu...and every bit as adorable. Cute. - margo from email

Great name, Margo. ;) - Carmen wBabby

I'll have to download a pic later - margo from email

Bella and Bruno are cute! - Louis Gray

beautiful pups! - timepilot

Faces only a mother could love. ;-) - Brian Sullivan

You must be a proud mamma. They are adorable! My boyfriend in college had two of these and when we split up I cried more over losing them than him ; ) - Adriana

lol! I can understand that, Adriana! I am a proud mamma. They are wonderful dogs. - Carmen wBabby

nice-looking dogs. mama should be proud. - docrivs

Love! :-)) - Anna Haro

Love and miss my dog. She was an Albino Harlequin Great Dane. All white with blue eyes, and the best dog I ever had. They look like a great pair together! - Michael Fidler

he looks a bit like Brando in this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - j1m

WOW. - Mona Nomura from Bookmarklet

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I was just reading about it, very cool ! - Nir Ben Yona

Would probably be cool except I always have to dig around to find my OpenID URL since it's harder to memorize than my email address and I don't trust letting the app/browser save the info. Wasn't OpenID supposed to make this easier? - Glenn Batuyong

While this may not "technically" be OpenID, enabling users to log in via Gmail is a great step. I've actually written about OpenID on PixelBits that generated a pretty interesting discussion here: http://friendfeed.com/monasfe... - Mona Nomura

"Apparently, IMAX rolled out a digital projection system last year that can be easily installed in a normal movieplex and doesn't require those huge film reels of a traditional IMAX projector. The downside is that the screens of these "Fake IMAX" theaters -- as Aziz calls them -- can be as much as a quarter of the size of standard IMAX screen." - SteVe C from Bookmarklet

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But the real problem is that the IMAX Corporation along with its partners, theater chains AMC and Regal Cinemas, are refusing to distinguish between the two formats. Moviegoers will not know what kind of IMAX experience they will have until their tickets have been ripped. The theaters however, are charging the same price for "fake" digital IMAX as they do for "real" film-based IMAX. - SteVe C

IMAX co-CEO Richard Gelfond argued that such a distinction is unnecessary because, "People don't say 'The 3 isn't a real BMW because it's smaller.'" As the LF Examiner -- a journal devoted to "large format" film -- points out, this is an illogical analogy: car buyers would be plenty upset if they paid around $120,000 for 7-series Beemer and instead received 3-series worth only $30k. - SteVe C

When asked about Aziz's internet screed, Gelfond was dismissive. He told MainStreet.com, "The overwhelming majority of comments on that guy's blog this morning, more than 90% of them, are vehemently disagreeing with him. And consumers are confirming this with their continued purchases of tickets." In an apoplectic rebuttal on his blog, Aziz retorted: "WHAT A SURPRISE ANOTHER IMAX LIE.... more... - SteVe C

This blows it's not IMAX if your neck isn't hurting when you leave the theatre. - SteVe C

And now I have a reason to not ever go to an IMAX movie. Lame. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Heck, liked for being the first article I've seen on this with an actual ratio of size-to-size. I don't know what the size of the screen is in my local theater, but it is definitely much larger than the 1/4 size there. I think part of the field of view discrepancy has to do with the seating configuration more than anything else - the "museum" IMAX theaters have very steep seating. - Jennifer Dittrich

It's hard to picture unless you're there at an IMAX theater but the "real" IMAX theatres are that much larger. The exception being like a local giant theater, like "Big Newport" here in OC that one is about half the size of IMAX. - SteVe C

@Steve C - that sounds similar to the one in Lacey. It is actually quite huge (I would guess at least 60 ft tall), but the seats slope back "normally" for a stadium seating theater, instead of the really steep slope of most IMAX. It does fill your field of vision though, if you're sitting anywhere but the very outside. - Jennifer Dittrich

@jennifer 60 feet is 6 stories, are you sure? :P - mjc

"IMAX Mini" ! - Andrew C (✓)

I feel him. I can't do it either :( - Veronica from Bookmarklet

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This is the easiest thing in the world for me, but I could never raise just one eyebrow. - Kevin Fox

I can do both eyebrows! - Veronica

I can do all those and wiggle my ears! - MG Siegler

It was immediately apparent to me watching the movie that Zachary wasn't able to do this properly. Heh heh! Needed a new SFX shot, imo. - Stephen Mack

I had a feeling at the end that he couldn't, also. - Veronica

I can't do that either, and my geek friends make fun of me:( - Fee501st

it amazes me that an able bodied person couldn't do that. - jccalhoun

I think people who can do the salute are genetically pre-disposed to be geeks. (myself included) Everyone else has to work at it. Also I'm your go-to guy in case there's a alien machine you need me to turn on to release all the oxygen trapped on Mars. - William Kapes

this is discrimination! - Veronica

yes it is! Oh well who wants to be a Vulcan anyway.... - Fee501st

I've never had trouble doing it, but I can't roll my tongue. - Ranger Craig

Zefram Cochrane couldn't do it either and he invented Wrap drive! - Fee501st

I can do the salute and both eyebrows, unfortunately I can't do 'normal' things like click fingers tho. lol - Amy

I can salute like a Vulcan and raise my right eyebrow. Can't do the left, though. - Barry Biddlecomb from twhirl

Great. Another reason for the Trekkies to bash the new movie - Fleagle

I can do the Vulcan salute with my left hand, but not with my right. - Tudor Bosman

Spock's father (from ST IV) couldn't do it either and had to compose them off-camera and then lift them into view. - Kevin Fox

I used something to space my fingers apart and kept it that way overnight. The next morning, I could do it at will! - Jason Wong

good - 黄的箭

Eh? That's ridiculous, I can't understand how anybody could not do that.. Have I been doing it wrong all these years? - David Young from BuddyFeed

I can do the Vulcan salute, but couldn't raise one eyebrow forever. My first semester in college all of my friends could and it annoyed me. So every night for a week I taped one eyebrow down before going to bed. It worked and I can raise just the one! Brytne=dork! - Brytne from Nambu

Maybe I'm out of line here, but 'the vulcan salute' sounds like what geeks would call 'spanking the monkey'. - Fleagle

I can do the salute with my right hand, but not my left (which is my writing hand) hmmmmm. - Charley M

@fleagle: ROFLMAO! - Brytne from Nambu

"Despite the fact that this photo was snapped in broad daylight in a busy Seattle REI store, Shane Becker was threatened by fake cops and arrested by real ones. One of the Loomis & Fargo guards servicing the public ATM threatened to tackle Becker if he tried to leave the store—apparently snapping a photo of the inside of one of these machines constitutes a security threat (although detailed images and data can be found easily online). In fact, one of the arresting officers even pulled the 9/11 card" - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet

The photographer should have tried to leave to see if the guard really would tackle him. Easy lawsuit cash there. - Dave Roth

with an iPhone no less. - Thomas Hawk

Dave - i was thinking the same thing. I read this the other day. mind-blowing. He's going to be rich... detained by PD without RAS = $$ - Jeff (Team マクダジ )

Awesome, and in a bad way. Thanks, Thomas - reshared. - Anthony Citrano

While I'm big on photographers rights and everything and I think the Wells Fargo dudes and the cops didn't handle it well... what the hell was this guy doing taking a picture of an open ATM? Seems like he was just trying to test them. - Kenton

@Kenton - so? Or maybe he likes ATMs? I really hate that line of reasoning.. "well, i'm all for photographers rights.. but in this case, the guy really needs to explain himself.." First Amendment rights are not dependent on a good explanation. - Anthony Citrano

Kenton: it seems they failed the test then. - Mark H

Using 9/11 is something I expect from the writing staff of Reno 911. - Rene, Pro Button Pusher

+1 Mark. - Anthony Citrano

Wells Fargo is afraid that everyone will find out the inside of the ATM is just a midget with a stack of 20's and a notepad. - Dave Roth

TH, I scooped you on this. :P http://friendfeed.com/photo-u... - Rochelle

@Kenton: Why do you assume that he was trying to test them? An open ATM isn't something you see everyday. Lots of people take a photo when they see something that is not part of their normal everyday experience. - Jeremy Brooks

+1 Anthony. - Jeremy Brooks

from Shane's blog post: "I took the picture because I’m fascinated by the insides of things that we don’t normally get to see. I did not take the picture to case the joint. I did not take the picture to threaten the safety of the two Loomis fake cops with their bulletproof vests, hip side pistols and very fragile egos. I did not take the picture to make it easier for anyone else to rob this or any other ATM. I just like to see things that I don’t normally get to see." - Eddie Codel

i've been warned before for standing and watching.. a pissed of man with a gun talked me into it - andy brudtkuhl

@ Rochelle. Yes you did. :) - Thomas Hawk

@Mark, you are totally correct. @Anthony and @Jeremy The reason I said what I said is because of the subject matter. When you have armed guards standing around something "protecting" it, they are likely going to be a little protective. Why couldn't he just have asked first? "Hey that's cool, mind if I take a picture?" He says it's because he's interested in such things; that's fine. If he had asked, they *might* have let him get close enough to actually get a picture that was worth it. - Kenton

As for photographers rights, I am totally for them. I take a lot of pictures and if someone tried to prevent me (and especially harass me like this) I'd pissed off too. However, I do believe in common courtesy. This is not the picture of the outside of a building or a street. This is of two armed guards servicing what is basically the extension of a bank. Had he asked first, I suspect this would have not escalated to nearly this extent. - Kenton

And if the guards said no, then what? He still has the right to take the photo. I can imagine it escalating even more had they said no and he took the pic anyway. - Eddie Codel

Actually @Eddie, he doesn't. Technically it's up to REI, but according to the Photographer's Right, if the property owner forbids you from taking a photo, you are obligated to comply. So he should have asked REI if he could take a picture inside their store. It doesn't give them the right to do anything nasty or threaten you or do any of the things they did in this case. However, had he asked and been denied, he would not have had the right to take the photo. - Kenton

Kenton, it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. :) - Rochelle

LOL, very true Rochelle - Kenton

"“I can not with a clear conscious move forward supporting and promoting the Miss Universe Organization when I no longer believe in it, or the contracts I signed committing myself as a youth,” Shanna’s statement continued. “I want to be a role model for young woman (sic) with high hopes of pageantry, but now feel it more important to be a role model for my children. I am sorry and hope I have not let any young supporters down but wish them the best of luck in fulfilling their dreams.”" - Jason Toney from Bookmarklet

Everything about this story is comedy - that Moakler is co-director of anything; that she has a typo in a sentence about being a role model to young women; that people take this seriously; that the release was issued to Access Hollywood; That Trump had no idea she'd resigned; that I clicked on the link. - Jason Toney

That the press release went to Access Hollywood... very amusing. - Louis Gray

Moakler herself has posed nude for Playboy, so Carries pictures are no more shocking. - Charley M

I don't get why they would do it without either (a) asking and listening to feedback, (b) engineering a replacement FIRST, or (c) at least looking at the metrics to see if there were a lot of situations where people received a response from a friend's friend who they didn't follow, and subsequently subscribed to the person... sigh... - Justin Long

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It is hard for me to believe that only 2% have chosen this option. There have been thousands of Tweets about this choice being eliminated. - Liz

5% of american adults use twitter... how many american adults? not sure what the total over-18 population is, but 5% of 300 million would be 15 million. Thousands isn't much in 15 million people. still got twitter's attention tho! - Justin Long

I think FriendFeed is certainly getting more buzz and interest as Twitter shuns users. - Joe Manna

Should try to start a "join friendfeed if you hate the reply system on twitter #fixreplies" thread on twitter - Justin Long

could be. but a lot of my friends are not the type to join more than one service, and all THEIR friends are on twitter. makes it hard to move. - Justin Long

Twitter's going down again? I hope our colo stays up this time! - Kevin Fox

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it's not the middle of the day in new zealand, tokyo, guam or the moon - Allen Stern

Depends where on the moon... - Kevin Fox

Last Friday Twitter was down for maintenance at 5:30pm Eastern time... I was like :o Guess I'll go make dinner :p - Jesse Newhart

That was surprising to me too. why run maintenance right in the middle of the day? - Karoli

It is a strange time. I think it is just so they can have an office lunch party. - John Spyers

Office lunch during service downtime? That's funny. Anyway, If I knew I need some additional capacity to get me to the end of the day I'd add it @midnight PST the previous night. - ✔ ǝuǝƃnǝ

amazing - Eren Emre Kanal

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I think there's something telling here - players are focused on hoisting up threes, working just inside the line, or layups. There's that conspicuously dark middle ring (I'm guessing 5-10 feet from the basket) that there are far fewer shots from. Either these are the hardest places to get a shot off (because of defensive schemes), or players aren't exploiting these areas to the fullest capacity. - Mike Nayyar

The dark middle ring is where you have to deal with the most defense AND you're less likely to get a foul call than driving for a layup - Roshan Vyas

Right. I think the inner peak are layups and if you're not getting that close you're better off with less pressure a few steps out where you can get a good arc. - Kevin Fox

I'm suprised about the corner 3s tho... that's a tough shot. - Roshan Vyas

I'm also guessing they're measuring release point, since a player's feet leave the ground farther out than most of those inside shots. - Kevin Fox

Corner 3's are where shooters camp out, and they're also the shortest 3's. - Dan Hsiao

The corner 3's are the highest percentage shot (both taken and made) because it's the shortest 3 pointer available. The best teams will exploit the hell out of that shot. - Mark Philpot

fascinating. - Alan Le

That's a pretty awesome graphic... Where did you find it? Or did you make it somehow? - Frankie Warren

Next, I'd like to see year-to-year change, and EVs for each point. The guys who made it (using Processing) are here: http://jasonrbailey.com/?p=127 The raw data is here: http://www.basketballgeek.com/data... More cool sports datavis is here: http://visualizeit.wordpress.com/2009... - Kevin Fox

Whoa. That inner dark ring really is fascinating. - Hutch Carpenter

Also note the higher frequency of shots under the rim from the left side vs. the right. - Hutch Carpenter

I HATE U. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin... - Kelly

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Meh. Berkeley is so behind the times. Stanford did this years ago! - Jim Norris

haha, shut up, jim - Kelly

@Kelly, he means stanford got hacked before berkley ;) - mjc

haha I know, I know, he just likes to point out any case where Stanford has done anything different/better/before Berkeley......don't get me started ;p - Kelly

:( - Anne Bouey

That's okay my top 50 company lost our data twice in last 5 years. - SteVe C

@Steve, no one used your ss#, right? did you file a report or anything? - Kelly

nope no one used it and we have 10 years of monitoring services. 99% of cases like this lead to nothing much - SteVe C

well Chapman hasn't let that happen. haha. maybe my hocky pocky "non-denominational" school is better after all! - andi

I have no come back to that. Damn you Norris - SteVe C

Hocky pocky? Mmmmm... pocky. http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillge... - Michael Scarpelli

Pocky does not look gluten free. damn you Scarpelli - SteVe C

ooo I loves pocky - Kelly

no idea who did this, but it was through the university health services - Kelly

One of my alma maters was hacked a couple of years ago. Oh, and I have several boxes of pocky here. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

Sadly, college is where I first had pocky.....oh the irony - Kelly

I've gotten one of these letters from each school I attended. This will actually be my *third* letter from Berkeley. - Kevin Fox

Actually - it's a great movie. - LPH™ and his dog P™

Don't think about the hype. Open mind and enjoy the action! - Martha

Thankfully we have Roger Ebert to give it to us straight. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Usually Alex, you would be on the money, but Star Trek (at least based on anecdotal evidence from people I know who have seen it) seems to be as good as promised. - Brandon Mendelson

It isn't Schindler's List, Brandon. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

It's a GREAT MOVIE! - Scoble, Alex Scoble

Kirk can over come the Hype Machine. Episode #32 Baby. :P - Kreg Steppe

Iron Man survived it. - Michael W. May

The Dark Knight SUPER survived it. - Mike Nayyar

Uhh, Schindler's list is, in my opinion, one of the greatest movies ever made...and no The Dark Knight did not survive the hype machine, in my opinion. Star Trek did for me, but I saw it before everyone on friendfeed started hyping it up. :) - Scoble, Alex Scoble

HA! Too true.But still, if a movie lives up to its hype, it's an amazing thing these days. - Brandon Mendelson

I would rate Star Trek as a 4 out of 5 movie...people rating it as a 5 out of 5 are overselling it, in my opinion. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

agreed - i've been trying to avoid the reviews and comments until we can see it - mike "glemak" dunn

I'm already disappointed. I can't go to see it yet. LOF. - Josh Haley

I've seen a few comedies based on everyone saying "it's the funniest movie ever" (There's Something About Mary for instance) and without exception, these movies have all been snoozers. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

label me overhyper....5/5 I found absolutely nothing wrong with it. Nothing. - Bwana ☠

I agree, it's not THAT good. Wait for rental - Jeremiah Owyang

Jeremiah are you serious? Wait for rental? It is a big screen film. You can wait for rental on Milk which doesn't require the space, but Star Trek? That would be like killing 9/10ths of what is so good about it. - Martha

I'm on the same page as Bwana. It's a 5/5, must see in the theatre film. If that's "over hyping", sorry. It's just my opinion. - Ken Sheppardson

I feel dumb for not going to the premiere here in LA. I blew it off because I'm not a Trek fan but.. so much awesomesauce showed up that I felt dumb. Anyway, my mom and Leonard Nimoy's mom used to work together. That's the best I can do on the Star Trek situation. - Anthony Citrano

Anthony - I met Leonard Nimoy when I was in third grade. He was in a local theater performance and stayed at the house of a classmate / friend of mine. The boy invited me over to meet him. - Martha

Saw it twice. First time with the coworkers, second time with the wife. I was totally scared it wouldn't life up to the hype, but sometimes they end up hitting it out of the park. - Wirehead

Classy, Rihanna. - Derrick

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DAMN! Look at that ass! Oh, and the rest of her ;) - Michael Forian

I must admit I just think she is a beautiful, powerful woman, that is in touch with her body. But it is hard to say something without sounding really sexist. I think. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

She is SMOKIN' - Mona Nomura

Amen. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

I've never been much interested in her... until now. I love hot chicks who like to take naked pictures of themselves and store them in insecure locations. - Joey Gibson

hot! - Violet Mae Lim

Her body is AMAZING. - Mona Nomura from IM

Her attitude is what really gets you imho. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

She is one of the nicest, most down to earth people I have ever met. And (cringe if you will) Chris Brown, too. Check out this month's issue of Vibe -- I think it's on stands now. Their security did a tell all. :) - Mona Nomura from IM

Awesome ! - Faraz Mullick

hawt! - Jorge Escobar

Wow. Just wow. - Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart

She is straight off. the. chains. Seriously, I am now an even bigger fan. - Mona Nomura from IM

part of me wants to like this and part of me wants to like this - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

Hey, you got it, flaunt it if you like. It doesn't last and ... what's the big deal about nudity anyway? - AJ Kohn

Is it naked celeb day? Cassie was naked earlier this day somewhere… Still, my vote goes to the Panamanian cricket chicks and they where dressed (and prolly shopped). - Remo

Why does this need a New South Wales alert? - Bryce Roney

Cassie's was a publicity stunt, her album is dropping soon. As for Rihanna, I don't care if it was publicity or not. The woman is smokin'! - Mona Nomura

Can't, for the life of me, figure out why I should care about any of this. - Akiva

My friends g/f just agreed that she was hot. So for some reason he decided it was time to show her those nude pictures of Chyna. - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

Akiva, your secret is safe with us. Promise we won't tell Rochelle! - Mona Nomura

Trust me, Mona: she agrees with me. - Akiva

Dude...Rihanna is SUPER hot. I mean, for a skinny chick...WOW. She got more curves than spaghetti junction... - Rah-PM 2012

Mona you're my favoritest ffer ever! :) - JCunwired

Wonder what the story behind this is. - Dennis Jackson

Umm, wow! She is HOT! - Rahul Das

woahhhhhhh - Shevonne

Dennis - Frankly, it was a jab at Bad Boy to kick Cassie out the limelight (imho). Ri-Ri > Cassie ANYday. - Mona Nomura

ummm... wow - iTad

To be honest, this is one of my biggest wishes come true. - Mike Nayyar

Over Twitter's dead body. Hey that's not a bad idea. - Leo Laporte

I think twitter had @ in its original version. (as long as you started a message with @) - Panayotis Vryonis

Nope, users started using @, and twitter added support for it later - Kevin Marks

But the fact that users HAD to invent @ and # could indicate a lack of planning, since there are probably more elegant ways to do this. On the other hand, user-generated ideas do have their advantages at times. - John E. Bredehoft

Thanks for sharing! - Scott Loftesness

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Awesome, thank you Thomas! - Holger Eilhard

Interesting differences on how I use to do it. I usually copy the photos of the CF card to my desktop, geotag them (either automatically using an Amod GPS logger and GPSPhotoLinker or - just like you - manually with Geotagger - thanks to @craigstanton for that btw) then import them using Lightroom and apply some keywords during that step. From there it's pick, edit, output, upload. - Holger Eilhard

Nice thank you for sharing, cool read. - Dan owns Comicsforge.com

Thanks for sharing. I didn't know about Pro Photo Tools - I'll have to look into it. - John (bird whisperer)

Holger, I don't geotag first because 85% of my photos or so I never finish or publish. It would be too much unnecessary work to geotag everything for me. I suppose if the entire shoot was at one location this might be preferable, but frequently I'm walking around a lot and don't want to do any more keywording and geotagging than I have to. - Thomas Hawk

Thomas, have you ever considered getting a logger that you carry around to ease that process? Or using the - well, pretty expensive - automatic Canon solution in form of that WFT battery grip? - Holger Eilhard

Holger, I have thought about that and will probably end up doing that in the end. I'm not crazy about having to use the battery grip with my 5D M2, which is already very heavy and bulky and I'm also not crazy about having to synch up software and my images later with an external unit. Most likely though I'd expect to begin using the Canon solution (probably within the next year) on walks where I'm moving around alot and not using it for single location shoots which are easier to mass geotag. - Thomas Hawk

I know there are GPS units for Nikons that sit on the flash shoe and are pretty low profile. That might work better than a battery grip. Excellent post, by the way. - Ken Davidson

I hope Canon will release a cheaper solution to solve that problem. Getting an 700 Euro BG + 100 Euro GPS receiver isn't really the way I like... The Nikon thing is just ~200 Euro and gets the job done. - Holger Eilhard

Ken, for Canon there's only the battery grip (wireless file transmitter, not the regular BG) which allows you to plug in a GPS receiver... - Holger Eilhard

Thanks for sharing this. Was wondering why you don't keyword before you export the .jpgs. Also, since you don't mention DNG, I'm assuming you don't use it. Was wondering what your thoughts were on DNG. - Andy Roth

Andy, I suppose I could keyword before I export. I'm not sure what I really gain from that though. I suppose I like keywording later because I can get my developing done faster on individual images and export them out --that way I can begin seeing processed photos on my screensaver faster. This way if there blemishes I can still fix them. - Thomas Hawk

The advantage is, if you keyword before you export, both the RAW files and the .jpgs will contain the keywords. - Andy Roth

As far as DNG, I've never felt like I get much from that over RAW. As the photos are already RAW it seems unnecessary to do an additional conversion to DNG when I don't really understand the value of that format other than it is a more open format than Canon's proprietary RAW format. Personally I think that I'll always have a way to access those Canon files or at least have access to a... more... - Thomas Hawk

In terms of keywording RAW files, I guess I haven't really seen the value there when the exact same image is keyworded in JPG. It's pretty simple for me to search for a JPG file either on my hard drive or on Flickr/Zooomr and simply refer to the date in the metadata if I need to find the original RAW file, but I suppose whether you keyword before export or after export really is simply a matter of personal preference. - Thomas Hawk

Interesting that you use the Canon Camera Window for downloading. You may be the first pro I've run into who depends on it, but it makes sense. - Nick Savides

Nick, it's just super easy and reliable and gets the job done. There may in fact be better ways of doing it but it's probably one of those things that because it's not broke, why fix it. If I saw tangible evidence towards a better way to offload photos I'd certainly consider it. For a while I was annoyed that Camera Window would auto start Canon's processing software after it finished transferring the files, but then I just deleted that software and it stopped autoloading. - Thomas Hawk

the other thing about Camera Window is that it's lighter than Lightroom and takes less memory/resources. So if I'm out on a shoot and take a coffee break for a few minutes to offload files I don't need to boot up Lightroom necessarily. Normally under that scenario I just want to get the images off my card as quick and fast as possible. It does mean that later I need to synch the folders with Lightroom but that's not really a big deal for me. - Thomas Hawk

I liked your thoughts on using A and B folders to order your uploads. I've been doing that for a while, but in general I got tired of the manual upload process. I figured time could be saved by automating this, so I wrote a script that runs each day and chooses random A and B pictures to upload via the Flickr API. Once they're up. they are removed from the A and B folders. I never miss a day uploading, and it keeps me motivated to replenish those upload queues. - Tom Harrison

Great TH! More stuff for me to change. In the process I realized how out of date my workflow posts are. Time to update them methinks! http://www.phillprice.com/index... - Phill Price

Tom that sounds like an excellent way to automate thing and establishes your geek cred at a much higher level than mine. ;) I'd have no idea how to do a script for that. I actually like the manual process though as I can determine the exact order that they are to be uploaded in while looking at them. - Thomas Hawk

Haha, yeah Computer Science nerd here. I might publish the script at some point. - Tom Harrison

10 TB of photos is a _LOT_. I hope to one day get there but I my D40 doesn't make big enough RAW files. :) How do you search across all those images? Is there software reliable and powerful enough to not choke on that much data? I wish I could buy some sort of white label Flickr for this purpose. - EricaJoy

(I just use pixelpipe to upload from LR or if a delayed post I send a delayed email (through pixelpipe) - it posts to phillprice.com automatically (through my own WP plugin) when there's a new photos with the same title in all four places (smugmug, ipernity, zooomr, flickr) then th fave and comment grabbing comes in too; bliss! - Phill Price

Nice write up TH and well explained. Your process is almost identical to my current process except for a few minor things such as your geo tagging processes. - Justin Korn

Thomas - thanks for sharing; both your workflow and your photos. We mere photographic mortals can only aspire to your throughput, but sharing elements of the workflow lets us feel just a bit closer to the bar you're setting. - Rob Kramer

As a side note - fiddling w/ LR means it now rather handily imports photos off the memory card, and drops into folders organised and named by date, which works great for organising. Also, Jeffrey Friedl's got a great series of plugins that export to Flickr (and Facebook, among others) with the bonus that a metadata field for 'uploaded to' either service is marked yes or no - another option for keeping track of what's been published. - Rob Kramer

Yes thanks for sharing. This technical stuff is always very intriguing. Here's an interesting question - how much awareness do you have of what's in your photo library and where it is? I'm thinking about my own library of about 13,000 images of which 4,300 have been processed and I can still usually see a photo and know when and where it was taken. I'm wondering at what point that starts to become more difficult. Or does one never lose track much? - Tom Harrison

I don't know how he did it, but it's amazing - Ikaro

...great share @THawk! - .LAG liked that

You shoot so many photos I'm surprised you're manually geo-tagging photos the way you are. I would recommend a more automated method. I run a little app on my iPhone 3G called Trails which records my movements as I do a photowalk. It records a number of way points along the way and in the end you end up with a GPX file. Jeff Friedl has a cool little plugin for Lightroom... more... - Kenny Louie

Simple, yet effective. Inspiring for me to get up to speed - Bruno Raymond

Thanks for doing this Thomas. Always useful to share and understand workflows regardless of the topic. - Mark Krynsky

Thank you for sharing. How do you carry your stuff all day? Backpack? Bags? I know that having the camera with you full time it's the rule no. 1 but I believe it must be really tiring. When I go shooting I always try to limit as much as possible the extra lenses I take with me, just to be more free and comfortable. - ialla

Interesting article about your workflow. About DNG there is one huge advantage in my opinion. You keep all your metadata in one single file and get rid of the sidecars. The main disadvantage is the time it takes to convert the RAW-files to DNG. Otherwise I work very much like you except that I use Lightroom for import and HoudahGeo for geotagging. - Håkan Dahlström

Thanks for sharing this Thomas, I am actually thinking of implementing part of your workflow in mine. I think I have really come to a point now wehere I have to start thinking about my own personal workflow very seriously. One question: Do you delete all unflagged photos afetr your LR Session? - Alexander Kesselaar

thawk, great post. and some great comments. 1) you should consider releasing your lightroom development presets (like Matt does http://www.lightroomkillertips.com/archive... ) 2) in order to get the flickr pics onto my blog (using BlogEngine.net), i wrote a little extension that grabs the latest, formats them in a "lightbox". AutoFlickr. that saves me lots of copy&pasting. http://autoflickr.codeplex.com/ demo--> http://webguide.hopto.org/autofli... - big luzer

ialia, I use a Lowepro camera backpack (the CompuDayPak) that goes with me everywhere every day. Erica, I often will use Flickr or Zooomr to search for photos by tags and then look at the date of the image and go to that folder when need be. Sometimes I'll use desktop search if I can't find an image, but it seems to be slower. - Thomas Hawk

As for geotagging: Wouldn't it be nice if I could correlate my 'date + time taken' data in my picture with my iPhone GPS information? How close would you have to synchronize the clocks to get a reasonably accurate stamp...? - Charlie Owen

Crap. Kenny Louie said above you can already do this. Amazing. - Charlie Owen

Thomas, great, same backpack as I have. Still weighs I lot though... - ialla

And behind the scenes...All this takes a very very long time so it is peppered with brief gasps for air, hugs & kisses for his wife whenever he comes w/in 3 ft, playing hoops with the 2 boys, reading to all 4 children, providing guidance on homework & conflict resolution, pouring his wife a glass of wine nightly followed by a foot rub & netflix to coax her to sleep so he can continue... more... - Mrsth

@Mrsth: I can totally imagine that whole scene in my head. Incredible. :) - Bryan Villarin

Thomas, I would love to know your secrets on time management...I honestly don't see how you can do it all and still have a full time job to boot! Whew! @Mrsth I am impressed! - Susan Dennis

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