I'm sorry but this is unbelievable:) I'll give credit to the artist upon more convincing proof! The photogenic look of the tiger and lion really helps the artist's case though:)
- Roney Smith
I'm with Roney... I find this hard to believe... or maybe I'm just jealous that I can't even get stick people right!
- Jasmin Smith
I'm really happy everyone liked these. They're my most liked entry to date, Thanks! There also seems to be some question about whether these are actually Pencil Drawings.I can assure you that they are.When I get home, I should have the links. I have more drawings, too.
- Michael Fidler
from fftogo
Thanks Enrique, I'll post some more soon. They are a little more obvious than these ones. As Luke points out; without being able to look closely it's impossible to tell. He's right; but up close it's more obvious. I'll upload the originals to Picasa later, and then you'll be able to zoom in with any photo viewer and see for yourselves. I can't believe how many people liked these. A few people have reposted them already. Thanks!
- Michael Fidler
Absolutely awesome, Michael. You are extremely talented. Everyone should repost these pix and help to make you famous. You should be doing this full time - you obviously have some passion for this. Bravo.
- Chris Loft
These are really beautiful, Michael. Do you sell them?
- Shannon Jiménez
Chris, I would love to say they're mine, but it's not true. I've had them for a while, but I'll find the artists names. It will just require a little backtracking. Besides, they deserve the credit; all I did was find them:-)
- Michael Fidler
Cut the bullshit! :) Photos are very good.
- Burçak Çubukçu
I draw alot in pencil, but they are amazing, the best for me is the girl, that is the most photo-like one. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I agree Rob, the girl is amazing. My favorite by far! Wait until you see it close up! It's really had to tell, even up close!
- Michael Fidler
Burçak Çubukçu If these were photographs, they would be very good. As Pencil Drawings,(which they are), they're amazing.
- Michael Fidler
@Burçak Çubukçu I can't tell if your serious now or just kidding around. I hope your just having fun! If you are serious, I've never given you a reason to question my integrity, nor do I ever intend to. However, the second set is up now, so judge them for yourself, but don't judge me! http://ff.im/1BJh5 BTW, I messed up and reposted the shot of the women again. Oh well. Hope you like them:-)
- Michael Fidler
@Michael: try deviantART, not Picasa, to submit your artworks
- LouCypher
LouCypher, I know it well, but I don't see why I would want to do that. I hope everyone knows by now that they're not mine? I'm sorry, but I can't say it any clearer than that.
- Michael Fidler
nah, i don't believe it is done in pencil. i am sure it is photoshopped :)
- hasin hayder
I'm finding this both interesting and humorous at the same time. There's a separate message board where this post is being discussed and it has another forty comments on it already. I think its great how this has created some lively discussion, considering that when I posted this I was doubtful if anyone would even like it. When I went to sleep last night there was only had 3 or 4 likes...
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- Michael Fidler
Very interesting. I would like to see them up close and in person...just to make sure. Bill said it's real and possible. Your 2nd set of picts look like pencil. Nice work in finding these!
- LaFern Cusack
Kol, I can't thank you enough! Kol found another post which helps to prove that these are done in pencil. I had my doubts about a few of them because I collected them from several different sites over time, but the site Kol found has done a great job pulling together an impressive collection of these drawings and more. Take a look - http://www.flickzzz.com/2009...
- Michael Fidler
Actually there are more than what this site shows. There's an entire set with the cats(little cats), which I have, and there's a new portrait set.
- Michael Fidler
Found your post here, Michael. :-) I tried my best to find the artists.
- Kol Tregaskes
Amazing and very very very good.... Very impressive ...
- Linda Zeek-Bobinski
Yeah we know, thanks though, James. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Excellent pictures - how long did it take you to scan the photographs into Photoshop and then edit them? The only pencil that has come into contact with these "drawings" is the Photoshop pencil. A tip - stop trying to fool people into thinking you are a "real" artist, because all you are doing is cheapening proper artist's works whom have spent hours creating real pictures as opposed to a few minutes on a graphics editing package.
- The Wimp
A bell does ring here. And I am remembering why I was so attracted to the tiger...and the lion for that matter. These are exact replicas of prints I had in our bedroom when I lived in Dallas. I had bought the prints (in color) at a department store,
- Melanie Reed
Actually, I have learned quite a bit about these drawing since I made this post. Not only have I discovered all of the artists, but I've learned more about how they are created. They are always copied from a photograph or painting, but usually a photograph. It is extremely time consuming and detail orientated work. There are many other artists besides the ones featured here who practice...
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- Michael Fidler
Most of them have portfolio's on deviantart.com and their work is truly amazing even if they are copies of other artists work. I suppose with this level of detail, they have to start with something. Nevertheless, I'm still in awe of their talent. Melanie, the animal prints you refer to are from a very well renowned photographer. The originals are B&W I'll look it up later but I do have...
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- Michael Fidler
Has anyone ever corrected the record and pointed out, with the exception of the Charlize Theron drawing, that these are indeed photos by Alexander Von Reiswitz?
- erik weisz
Erik, thank you for bringing this up again, but I think I already mentioned something about this in my prior comment. However, since it appears that you only signed up to friendfeed to leave a single comment, (ok, why?) I will try to summarize what I wrote previously. In brief, I learned after doing a little research that all photo-realistic drawings like the ones that I shared here,...
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- Michael Fidler
I can assure you that what are claimed to be drawings of animals, in your post here, are photos. I used a website to that allows you to do an comparison of the Von Reiswitz photos and the images you have posted here. There are no differences. Every hair matches up. As a pencil artist myself I can tell you that it's pretty much impossible to get that kind of accuracy and have it look...
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- erik weisz
but... it has to be real, i saw it on the internet
- Iphigenie
Eric, it doesn't matter to me if you just joined, and I apologize if I made you think otherwise. If you have any questions regarding friendfeed, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer them. At this point, I would be happy if we could find someone who is an image analysis expert, and finally point this thing to rest. Every time that I look into this, all I find is a...
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- Michael Fidler
the site spammed above must all be done in pencil too, right, thats why you posted it?
- Iphigenie
I'm amazed that people are still posting these photographs of animals and calling them pencil drawings. This is at least the third case I can remember (and there are probably more) of this happening. The myth about them being drawings was debunked long ago. It's also funny that whenever they get posted the person posting them doesn't make it clear that they aren't the artist, exactly as you have done.
- canadianmaple09
@canadianmaple09 I posted these back in March, 2009 when I was beginning to use FF regularly. I ran them through TinEye hoping to find their source, but it returned no results. When I ran through again yesterday, TinEye returned over four pages of results. If I had it to do over again, would I? Yes
- Michael Fidler
The people you refer do don't join "just to slam" someone, they are concerned members of the online art community that want to see real art appreciated and fake art or photos being passed off as drawings revealed for what they really are. Artists such as Brian Duey, Armin Mersmann, Paul Lung, Zindy Nielsen,and many others do not receive the appreciation they deserve because of scams like this.
- canadianmaple09
canadianmaple09, the worthiness of your motives notwithstanding (and they are worthy, definitely) you could definitely have approached Michael completely differently by say, giving him the benefit of the doubt rather than attacking in a highly accusatory tone.
- Chieze Okoye
When you've seen these same pictures posted multiple times by people that just find them on the internet and claim they are pencil drawings, when it has already been established on multiple occasions that they are not, the "benefit of the doubt" approach seems a little too generous. People post these images and claim they're drawings to get views for their own site or blog or page or whatever it is they post it on. It's wrong and it needs to be stopped.
- canadianmaple09
I can understand that, but you should also keep in mind that everyone is not as well-versed in the issue as you are. All I'm saying is that you would probably be more effective in this case if you weren't setting this up as a us-vs.-them, "must destroy with the validity my argument!" attitude when talking to a guy who's been actively having a discussion on the issue in what seems to me (having been around when he first posted the images and the follow up thread and what not) to be good faith.
- Chieze Okoye
Look at his first comment here. People clearly thought he drew them. He doesn't set the record straight. He also claims that they "are actually pencil drawings" and that "I have more drawings too." Later he claims that you need to look at them closer to see they are drawings and that he will "post the originals". Once again, this makes it sound like they are his. This follows the same...
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- canadianmaple09
Greg and Chieze, thanks for your support. I really appreciate it. @canadianmaoles09, for what it’s worth, I share your concerns about giving proper attribution when sharing also. However, I admit that I'm more conscious of it now than I was at the time of this post. Nevertheless, I have never taken credit for anybody's work here other than my own!
- Michael Fidler
BTW, I didn't realize it before, but I just noticed that you're new here too. I hope you like it so far and spend more time here. IMO, friendfeed is still the best thing around!
- Michael Fidler
I would probably qualify as an image analysis expert, but there's no way to prove that online. One thing we can do is look at color. Even though the images are black and white,they're actually RGB images, meaning they contain cyan magenta and yellow. If you look at the image of the rhino you have posted then look at the photo of the rhino at the photographer's site you can see they both...
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- erik weisz
Side note: I have opted to not share any of the stories that result from the confidential items from Twitter that are being released one by one. That they leaked was newsworthy, yes, but if you want that news, you can get it many other places.
Louis: did you get the leaked info? I didn't. Makes that decision easy! :-)
- Robert Scoble
louis gray, too nice to be a cut throat publisher but still a really great guy :)
- sean percival
I did not get the leaked info. But those that did are now publishing some of the details, and to share them on Google Reader seems like the wrong thing to do. I may share ValleyWag every once in a while, but I'll skip these.
- Louis Gray
Whoever has that stuff should drop it quickly like a red-hot potato, for what it's worth. But I don't see that happening any time soon, sadly.
- Tyson Key
I admire your work ethics and probably would have done the same, myself. Still, after watching some of the leaked docs, TV show - was already known, future merchandise store - big deal lots of 3rd party companies already sell Twitter stuff, Premium accounts - not a secret we have SUL, GMAIL/GoDaddy accounts - haven't seen something unusual etc. Bottom line, I wouldn't publish a thing...
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- Nir Ben Yona
I had been wondering what your thoughts were.
- Anne Bouey
Absolutely stand for something. I say it is a clear golden rule situation. Twitter could release such info if they choose to but if I received it I'd return it. If I were in the media I would definitely want to write about it but the line on not publishing said illegally obtained docs is clear and not grey.
- Rick Cogley
from iPhone
Colby, if you read the comments, and just do a search for "@arrington" to find Mike's comments, he is very level-headed about the situation and makes sense. I understand what he is doing, but am opting out of spreading the results. I was at a dinner with Mike on Monday and enjoyed the CrunchUp Friday, so this is not a personal issue in any way. I hope he makes smart decisions.
- Louis Gray
Yes but he could end up in jail for this and that's not being level headed.
- Thomas Power
Thomas, I am not a legal expert in this case, and think that there are some who are advising him, as well as his own background, so I would guess that is unlikely.
- Louis Gray
Yeah I read Arrington's posts and can see his perspective but it seems like he is alienating his readerbase. I suppose that is only a small fraction of the readers though. It will be interesting to see how much they reveal, and if twitter pursues litigation (I assume they have the right...?)
- Colby
Same here. I don't want to spread that nonsense.
- Bwana ☠
Q: How much of an investment is online marketing? Should owners hire an employee to scour the Twittersphere all day? A: Many companies will want to hire a social media manager not just for Twitter but for Facebook and other tools that don't even exist yet.
- Brian Wallace
I agree, the spammers and marketers (I'm an Affiliate but do not use Twitter for business as a rule) are poised to mess up a good thing. Why do the best and purest forms of communication always get sullied by greedy, careless people?
- Nicholas Chase
Unless they upgrade the hardware it is going to crash soon. Slow and too many fail whales.
- Steven Kent
Good question...is what's happening a great awareness wave for the general public? Or a cementing of Twitter's reputation as people broadcasting without value? I'm going with the former on this one.
- Hutch Carpenter
I can't imagine how FF could handle noisy marketers. It's much more about conversation here, they would be taken out more easily, wouldn't they?
- Jérôme
I'll third Sameer and Mark. The beauty of twitter is that you shape your own community. I follow one celebrity, because I actually enjoy his tweets. But it doesn't bother me or reduce the value I get out of twitter when people I'm not connected to use it differently than I.
- Jeremy Schultz
@Jerome: Yes. Crowdblocking happens *very* quickly on FF. And I believe (hello FF employees) that once a certain number of blocks are initiated the FF daemon comes along and gobbles them up.
- AJ Kohn
The only way in which Twitter hype can hurt Twitter is in Twitter's responsiveness. For all else, Twitter - like FriendFeed - is much as with blogs. Everyone chooses his own subscriptions. And everyone figures out their own way to use their 140 char text-box.
- Meryn Stol
it's still opt-in..filters baby, filters
- George Dearing
I completely disagree with the idea that how others use Twitter doesn't impact your own usage. If someone you follow starts to follow more and more people then their ability to interact with you diminishes. The social connection between you two disappears. That's if you still rely on Twitter for interaction (which I think many do, though I certainly don't.) So, sure you can unfollow that person, but an environment where quantity seems highly valued will reduce your ability to converse.
- AJ Kohn
And Friendfeed and Facebook is somehow immune to this;-)?
- Brandon Mendelson
As far as Sameer's point goes... I don't want to follow Oprah - thus I'm not opting in. BUT if anyone I follow talks to her then I am pulled into her twitterverse. So it's not 100% opt-in
- andy brudtkuhl
"...filled with marketers and celebrities with megaphones." And of course about 3 million people clueless as to how to handle all the noise.
- Tim
Andy, that's when lists should come on stage to put the noise backstage. Friendfeed to rescue you.
- Jérôme
ok, so it's not 100% opt-in..so what..being pulled into Oprah's twitterverse thru someone else would be a problem mostly for newbies coming to twitter..they don't follow that many ppl so their stream would be easy to overtake. You have to spend some time tuning your network..it gets noisy sometime but so does the real world.
- George Dearing
@George - that's why they need groups and filters! .... sounds like another service... hmmm oh, ya .. FriendFeed!
- andy brudtkuhl
Andy: not really. They have 3rd party clients for that.
- Matsis
Does this guy even use Friendfeed or does he just feed out his Tweets to FF?
- PC Easy
from twhirl
This GUY? Yeah i'm here PC Easy, I do both
- Jeremiah Owyang
to be honest, a loud place with people talking over each other in order to get noticed is how both FF and twitter feel, at times. Goes with the follower model
- Iphigenie
I agree... a diluted mess. This isn't another channel, it's a conversation.
- Drew Lucas
Who was it on FF that said twitter is like a Seinfeld episode where everyone is talking, no one is listening? so funny because it's so true.
- Violet Mae Lim
isn't this what folks said about the web? all the authentic voices would be drowned out by commerce? did it happen?
- Christian Crumlish
Yes, but I think the spammers and others who don't engage with their followers/friends will soon find they're not getting the results they want. We still have the capability of creating the "communities" we want to converse with on Twitter. I'm surprised more celebrities didn't find Twitter earlier, and some of them are doing fund-raising for good causes. We can choose which ones we include in our own conversations.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Isn't it already full with crappy, cheap marketers?
- Jorge Escobar
Blame Ashton, Oprah and Britney. A complete waste of space.
- David Eedle
I agree. Saw yesterday that "Twitter Quitters" was trending on Twitter. Let 'em quit.
- Rick Cogley
It already is! Of all people, I would have thought you would have recognized this long ago! ;-)
- Brad Williamson
I seldomly use Twitter anymore due to the noise level. I see more and more advertisers and product spammers. It feels less personal whereas FriendFeed has a better system for that.
- imabonehead
It's unfortunately the nature of the beast - greed concurs all. Hell look what it did to the good old USA, then the world.
- Brent - Yes I am
Everybody involved in social media is a self-marketer. Besides, Twitter has had the spammers and MLMers since day one. The celebrities are relatively new, but who cares? Therein lies the power of the unfollow button, Twitter's protective shield.
- Shéa Bennett
Yes, it will but the beauty of Twitter is that we don't have to follow any of them. We can still make it what WE want. That's the difference. The other stuff will die if it is truly of no value. It always does. We'll be left with something useful.
- Michael J. Pratt
People who like the "cool" things are now a little distressed that MSM has discovered Twitter, but its very nature seems to inoculate one from mass media hysteria. Just ignore these folks. The main problem with Twitter is that it's very generic - needs 3rd party apps like FF to really bloom.
- John Blossom
I agree it's at a point where newbies have less of a chance of adapting to the culture long-term because of all the noise/spam, but for those of us who have been here for the long haul, things are much the same as they always were. If a contact doesn't bring value, unfollow.
- Amie Gillingham
It seems the resounding opinion of FriendFeeders that Twitter Already IS " community filled with marketers and celebrities with megaphones" -And the number of followers I get who have bot-based auto-spams and names like @TheMLMGuy and who have 10,000 followers in their first week prove the FriendFeeders to be correct.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Twitter is a real-time broadcast medium in its essence, with receivers (follow mechanism) that enables people to aggregate their own channels. So it's not surprising that it attracts MSM and MSM marketers. There's a place for broadcast - and, like, CB radios, a broadcast medium can support very focused and highly scalable conversations also.
- John Blossom
Congrats, Tamar! And good to see you back. If you're interested, you can run your own baby pool contest on my site here: http://bebepool.com ~ all the best!
- Micah
Yay! I can talk about it publicly now! Congratulations, Tamar. Great to see you at SXSW. (Also, sounds like I have to send a louisgray.com onesie)
- Louis Gray
3. Twitter lets you follow the entire list with one click.
- Robert Scoble
2. recommended friendfeed seems to better align with preferences
- Lionel Spearman
4. On friendfeed recommended friends are different on each person's account -- it is based on the friends you are already following.
- Robert Scoble
3. Friendfeed allows you to see more rss feeds than Twitter w/o 3rd party apps
- Lionel Spearman
5. On friendfeed the ones who are displayed are who your friend's most popular friends are. On Twitter it is whoever the staff has picked.
- Robert Scoble
ooh - didn't realize there was a one click - i will be posting about this on monday - the list is complete bs - for example, how did they pick tc out of all the tech blogs? tc doesn't even participate in twitter, it's just a rss feed. and what about the others - similar issues - they should take the feature down - all it does is pump a few people and help to keep their pageviews high -...
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- Allen Stern
Friendfeed reflects the engineering care that that service has. Twitter's feature is very poorly thought out.
- Robert Scoble
6.Twitter seems to suggest folks who are somehow related to Twitter, work there or part of founding team, haven't noticed the same with FF
- MiaD
Allen: Twitter's implementation is 1000 x worse than the way friendfeed was.
- Robert Scoble
right - agreed robert (course you got the benefit here, not there cuz you ain't in their clique)
- Allen Stern
Allen: two weeks ago I was more popular than Techcrunch and @leolaporte was a lot more popular than me. Today Techcrunch is way more popular than either of us.
- Robert Scoble
7. For a newbie, 1-line bio is helpful, FF doesn't have that option, while Twitter pulls that info from the profile (for those who've provided it).
- MiaD
yeap robert - it's because of this list - wait - even the "social media brand expert" that fast company called - ijustine- has more followers than you
- Allen Stern
On FF if you follow the recommendations, as they tend to be friends of friends, you end up with a group of people who already interacts with each other. On Twitter, and that seems to happen anyway even without the recommendations, you might end up with individuals, totally disconnected, who are doing their own monologues.
- M F
Twitter's recommendations (at least currently) don't seemt to make any sense. FriendFeed's suggestions of friend-of-a-friend seems at least a step in the right direction, although I like to follow people who have completely different interests/perspectives than mine as well. Twitter doesn't even seem to care who I follow or what I tweet about.
- phil baumann
I didn't even know there was a recommended friends feature here. Oops, my slip is showing again. Or is that toilet paper clinging to the back of my skirt?
- Martha
phil - note that in the beginning ff's default list was the same sort of thing - i wrote a long post about it - and then later on they changed it - but in the early days the list was the same sort of thing
- Allen Stern
Allen: that is NOT true. Friendfeed's lists were ALWAYS based on objective criteria. Twitters' are not.
- Robert Scoble
I just looked at my suggested user and a lot of them are celebrities, which to me makes the list impersonal, Friendfeed recommended list seems much more personal and I can tell whatever method they are using for the most part is giving good matches
- Kim Landwehr
Biz says that the "suggested users" are meant to help those new to twitter, because they don't know what to do once joined. How did Twitter's founders decide that the best use of Twitter is to follow celebrities or corporate news? FAIL
- Debi Jones
Twitter recommends celebrity follows, not just Scoble celebrity, but HUGE celebrities such as Britney Spears and Shaq (the "REAL" one); which undeniably interprets more as a marketing strategy ie "Look who uses twitter whooopeee you can be just like them", than as an actual useful info stream
- sofarsoShaw BAZINGA!
The people that friendfeed has suggested to me have all been people more aligned with my interests then the majority of people on the twitter one
- Benno
I guess twitter does not have the recommendstion algorithms/engine that ff is developing. Maybe they have a person working on the list. That makes the recommendations "subjective" but is that a problem? It's their service so they can do as they like.
- Davide D'Incau
FF recommends almost all males and very few females (could I be following most of them already?) while twitter has more of a balance.
- tarafireball
Besides, you can actually spend most of your time behind of your computer without even having to give calls to people - email is perfectly enough int he majority of the cases.
- Svetlana Gladkova
I completely agree -- my profile, iirc, is INFJ. I've never considered myself to be particularly extroverted. If I meet online friends IRL, I do appear to be more "extroverted" than in normal scenarios. But that's because there is usually a lot of common ground to kick things off.
- Tamar Weinberg
"Are you tired of your awe-inspiring article, mind-shattering blog entry or rambling anti-government manifesto not getting the web traffic you know it deserves? Did you add a “Digg It” button to that brilliant epic poem you wrote about your recently-deceased cat, Twinkie, but nobody seems to be clicking it? Are you starting to suspect that MS Paint drawing of Draculanana might not be funny enough to make it to the front page of Digg after all? Think again."
- Maki
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