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EmacsWiki: Zen Coding - http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs...
Bloody hell, looks like I'll have to learn emacs, then
- Ian Tindale
The real question isn't whether FriendFeed is dead or not. It's very much alive. The real question is why is Louis Gray using a dead product? More...
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The product? Google Reader. It is dead. Be back in a second to explain why.
- Robert Scoble
Here's why...
- Robert Scoble
Speaking of Reader, Friendfeed doesn't seem to be getting shares on time. Tweets are late too :( Still using Reader but thru Feedly :)
- RK
...The new lists feature is totally making Twitter FAR BETTER than Google Reader. The only thing Twitter doesn't have yet is full text. But I've gotten over that. So, why is Louis Gray still holding onto Google Reader, even though Google Reader is slower and lamer than Twitter is (combined with FriendFeed)?
- Robert Scoble
Cause people use what works, not always what is new...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Off topic question on Twitter lists: Sometimes when I try to add someone to a list of mine using the dropdown, I click the checkbox, the little icon spins, but the click doesn't take and the person isn't added. This happens a lot but not always. Anyone else getting this?
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Reader and Twitter are very different tools. Virtually every blog and news site has RSS/Atom feeds. Most don't have their own Twitter feed. And 140 characters, with URL shorteners? Get real.
- LogEx
You are comparing apple and oranges. Using twitter as an RSS reader is almost as bad as following everyone back
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I still bookmark websites. Cause it works for me. But what do I know?
- Derrick
I still use Google Reader all day long, love the state save between mobile and desktop. I use it for the "hard news" stream, sans crowd commentary and noisy/redundant mashup of "friends'" likes. Great for following a multitude of obscure blogs.
- Allred
I see a pattern here: Tomorrow's provocative tweet is going to be: Ok, Google Reader is very much alive. The real question is when will Robert Scoble get back to blogging!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin. Twitter is my RSS, has been for months. I have not gone to Google Reader in months.
- Paramendra Bhagat
Dear Jesus, here we goez again! WHEEEeee, would this be it's 3rd Life or reincarnation if you're a practicing Buddhist? Or maybe see what's up, give em call...
- sofarsoShawn
Scoble - Have you tried to use Email notifications or their Adobe Air desktop notifications? They are sorely lagging by 15 minutes or longer. No longer "real time"
- joebrooks
Ok, that's just a bit too provocative -- I can't think of a single major service that Twitter can claim to replace, and Reader, one of the best apps on the web, certainly ain't one -- maybe if Reader had a "random crap" feature, that's where Twitter would encroach
- Christopher Galtenberg
I agree. Google Reader *is* dead. It's certainly been very dead for me. I use it basically only to post articles to Twitter and FriendFeed. Lately I've been doing less GReader sharing and more favorites on Twitter.
- Dennis Jernberg
Or rather, GReader's dead as a social network type thing. It remains very good at what it is: a Web-based RSS reader. But I do like the fact that you can share articles to Twitter, FF, Facebook, etc.
- Dennis Jernberg
Hmm? Google Reader and RSS are fantastic. I am not impressed by Twitter favorites. Also not impressed by comment bait. :) Carry on.
- Louis Gray
Twitter is only a meta-stream. You give up comprehensiveness for sheer popularity and randomness.
- Christopher Galtenberg
I will stop using Google Reader when blogs and Web sites start publishing, replaced outright by Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Poor Louis - he keeps getting picked on today :-( (sorry - I started it)
- Jesse Stay
I want a better tool for the job - nothing does what Reader does for me right now. I wish Reader would focus on that aspect and not the comments or likes or such. Build a solid (not slow) platform for sharing and reading the news. Make the UI less confusing. Then maybe they could socialize it. Regardless I won't switch because there's nothing that gives me news and lets me share it like Google Reader does now. I just wish it was better.
- Jesse Stay
Now Twitter is better than Google Reader? I guess I'm using all these technologies the wrong way because I use Google Reader waaaay differently than Twitter. I'm starting to wonder if someone brainwashed Scoble at the last Twitter event or something... it's getting a little bizarre.
- Jan Ole Peek
Welp, I'm using it so it's not dead to me.
- Shawn Farner
The recent spike in the 'dead' meme is just plain odd. Is it an expression of having too many things to do? The need to have some losers, and hence a desire to be on the side that does the killing? Would we prefer a Microsoft-like monopoly, or a limited Microsoft/Apple/Linux-like menu? Is attention too frazzled to tolerate and even enjoy a wide ecosystem of tools?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, it's just a slow news week I think. As Scoble said, we're kind of in an in-between period right now and it's frustrating.
- Jesse Stay
I still use Google Reader the same way that I've been using Google Reader for months - namely, to share items of interest to my Google Reader and FriendFeed followers (and now, my Facebook followers who see my FriendFeed entries). Perhaps it's worthwhile to note that I don't use Google Reader as a social network; I can't ever find the comments that are attached to Google Reader items.
- John E. Bredehoft
Big shrug. Feeds are feeds. I don't love any of the interfaces. Growing fonder (sigh) of FB, though, as a hub for all of it. (No pink sheep though. Please.)
- Kathy Fitch
I never really use the Google Reader interface. But integrating with feedly is great.
- Nils Sandin
What are your guy's thoughts on bloglines.com?
- Eric Vreeland
I consider that del.ici.ous should move towards twitter-like or friendfeed-like functionality. Or perhaps google's equivalent of del.ici.ous (could never figure out what that is actually called and how to get back to it each time) should blend in a jaiku layer.
- Ian Tindale
+ to Louis G calling it...approximately, more accurately though: load deflection disguised as link bait,
- sofarsoShawn
Consider how "retweeting" would have turned out if "twitter favorites" were listed in your own twitter timeline/feed. Twitter favorites are the greatest example of a feature that never was.
- Andy Bakun
retweeting has found me many folks to follow I almost never check favorites counter intutive use of time an attention as the flow of tweets go by and I'm holding a conversations
- WarLord
Of course you never check twitter favorites, it's has like zero social utility on twitter, they only ever show up if you click on someone's favorites list.
- Andy Bakun
well as long as everyone agrees ff is alive :D
- Mike Chelen
Another question: Why are you using Louis Gray as a model?
- Amit Morson
Amit: Because we all agree that Louis Gray is our perennial model. Obviously. :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Google reader is an information option for me as well. Different channels give me diverse looks on the stream. 2D plots are dead because 3D plots exist, not in this reality Robert.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I find this interesting that Scoble wonders why people use an RSS reader, but wants more human curation. People need to seed the sharing, and those people are using RSS readers. Twitter would be helpful if there are a group of people curating news for you, then the most popular items continue to get shared.
- Rob Diana
@Diana, I totally agree. There's not enough information density on Twitter when compared to the compact layout of Google Reader. I can see which feeds have new items, I then select a feed and scan headlines, drill in and read one or two stories from each, mark the rest as read. Twitter is just a pile of noise compared to the organization that comes with RSS. I do share a ton of links out of Reader into my Twitter stream though.
- Crutis
Robert, Not everyone cares so much about real-time .. some of us actually want to find something other than what's hot today or last week. We might even want to have a "conversation" that's semi-organized.
- Chris Myles
It's not about information density for me. It's also about quality of content. There are a lot of great writers who aren't on Twitter or FriendFeed.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
another one of those incredibly naive " x technology/service is dead article". Sure the social aspect of Greader may be "dead" but that wasn't Greader's real focus...Greader will keep on going because certain people use it in a way that can't be replicated by twitter/friendfeed or facebook...and people will keep on using twitter, friendfeed and facebook because as similar as they are can be they can be used in very different ways.
- David Rodriguez
Chris: me too. But I've been watching how Louis uses Google Reader. It's EXACTLY how I use Twitter (and we often find the same kind of stuff. Only I usually beat him in speed. But you can't see yet what I'm talking about because you don't have Twitter's lists feature.) See my favorites at http://www.twitter.com/scoblei... -- a lot of what is there is what shows up in Google Reader too. But only Google Reader is slower, harder to deal with on the iPhone, and doesn't have a lot of stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Amit: I used Louis Gray as an example because I like his Google Reader shares the most. They are very much like mine. Plus he's the guy who got me to come to FriendFeed so he usually is early in seeing things and it's fun to debate early early adopters. Just look at this thread!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I was early adopter on GReader, then got bored.. once we get the low downs on a new software then it becomes boring and (a) we look for other stuff elsewhere ; (b) create community around the S/w component or just (C) just drop the product / software
- Peter Dawson
Unrelated question,sort of. Robert, why does your Twitter profile show friendfeed.com/scobleizer as your web page?
- Kenton
Seriously? No one's even mentioned the fact that Twitter lists don't work for many of us? We don't have that feature available, and, what's more, when we try to view someone else's lists, we get a 404 error. Hmm. Google Reader works for everyone. Maybe that's why people are still using it.
- Curtiss Grymala
I haven't explored much of the social interactions of GReader. If I comment on or like someone's shared feed, it's most likely through FriendFeed. I don't see myself using Twitter for what I use GReader.
- Arlan Koizumi
"No one's even mentioned the fact that Twitter lists don't work for many of us?" - LISTS are still in pvt beta mode only.
- Peter Dawson
Exactly my point, Peter.
- Curtiss Grymala
Kenton: FriendFeed is still the best aggregator in the business. That's why.
- Robert Scoble
Curtiss: that's why I specifically called out Louis. He has access to the new list feature. So, it will be interesting to see if it changes his view of Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
Arlan: I think you will, especially when you see lists. I have a list of just major news brands, for instance, and it's a better RSS reader than Google Reader is except if you want full text feeds.
- Robert Scoble
Of course many people want full text feeds. I get very irked at partial or headline-only RSS feeds, they usually get booted from my Reader subs. Twitter, with or without lists, has different purposes and different use cases than Google Reader.
- LogEx
omg. UNFOLLOW
- Joel Bennett
LogEx: I used to be like that but then I freed my mind and got over the full text stuff. Mostly because Google Reader got to be VERY SLOW for me.
- Robert Scoble
Joel: see ya!
- Robert Scoble
Joel: people who unfollow just because they disagree just seem to be weak souls to me and I'd rather not hang around someone so weak. So, have a good one!
- Robert Scoble
Google Reader isn't a good social tool now, but it's the best tool for me for getting feeds from many sites, many of which are not represented on Twitter.
- LogEx
It's already done. You've stopped providing valuable previews of cool stuff and are now providing nothing but silly arguments about why x is better than y
- Joel Bennett
I didn't unfollow ya because I disagree with you (I *never* thought Google Reader was interesting), I unfollowed you because lately your signal:noise ratio is the wrong way up.
- Joel Bennett
Joel: bullshit you are wrong. http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer is where I show off Twitter lists just this afternoon.
- Robert Scoble
Joel: and over on http://scobleizer.blip.tv you'll see me talking to PayPal about their new functionality (among many other companies).
- Robert Scoble
Twitter Lists. I don't even have them yet, and I'm already tired of hearing about them :-p
- Joel Bennett
Well Robert, maybe I'm just following you in the wrong place.
- Joel Bennett
Joel: and over on http://www.building43.com I have a ton of videos where I show off new things and new ideas. Tomorrow Tapulous, who has the #1 iPhone app.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, Tapulous has my kids' favorite iPhone game
- Jesse Stay
Joel: all this stuff comes to my FriendFeed account at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... (only one out of about 1,000 things I bring in there is negative). Oh, and the best value stuff is my Favorites: http://twitter.com/scoblei... -- no noise there.
- Robert Scoble
Joel: I just went to your account and all I see is noise, no signal. So? Should I unfollow? No. Because personally noise is important.
- Robert Scoble
Heh, follow, don't follow - either way, makes no difference to me: I'm no social media "influencer," just a plain old dev. I follow people for news or because I know them, and I post to share or converse...
- Joel Bennett
I'll just put you on my noisy dorks list who threaten to unfollow because they are too lazy to look for the signal that obviously is there in the first place. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
It wasn't a threat, it was a done deal :-P Maybe it was lazy. Maybe it was just annoyance at the way this whole dead-not-dead crap is burying all the signal on FriendFeed lately.
- Joel Bennett
Robert. I just watched your kyte video. Good Q&A. I see how the lists can generate interesting metadata about people and sources, leading to a new "authority" race. To be fair how ever, I think that delicious has a lot of the similar metadata/tag information/count when it comes to sources. Do you mashable vs techcrunch comparison on delicious and you will see. So I guess you are right...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Robert, this is fun watching and listening to you about the Twitter Lists but actually without being able to make a list, it's like a carrot... http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer
- Myrna
OK, so, I looked over your feed ... and I've realized that YOU don't actually cause the noise, per-se ... it's just that lately, the stuff that seems like noise to me are the ones that get bumped over and over with likes and comments from people defending FF against ya. Maybe I need to find a client that doesn't show the "bump" effect.
- Joel Bennett
Yup, he causes it alright, measured reaction ensues
- sofarsoShawn
Joel: that's called Twitter. OK, I'm outta here now! Running...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: maybe GReader is slow because you are attempting to feed too much into it? Funny, I have been a bloglines lover for a long time and finally 'got' GReader only to be told it's dead. Say it ain't so! :)
- Sheryl
Sheryl: I feed a LOT more into Twitter and it is a lot faster than Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
LOL. Robert, when I was personally impacted by divestiture in 1984, I observed that AT&T was dead. I also said, like a shot elephant it would run for miles and miles before it fell over. That's proven true. That dead elephant is still trying to escape. But it is a dead elephant. If GR is dead, it won't keel over any time soon.
- Ken Camp
Robert, you may feed more to Twitter and it's faster, but you're the metadata guy. GR and the GOOG have horsepower, momentum, computing and network resources that Twitter can't match for several years. They have the ability, like any real 800 pound gorilla, to overcome that.
- Ken Camp
Robert - All that said, I do agree that RSS readers like GR, are a phase that is on the way out. It's peaked.
- Ken Camp
I like the 'more...' to comment approach.
- Holly Rae
I don't agree Robert. Google reader fills a need for some people when it comes to consuming content. This is not saying that Twitter isn't a good consumption too.
- Seth Goldstein
i wish there were a "disagree' button :(
- zʍıɔ
I guess the balloon boy's parents could have been worse parents. They could have put him in the balloon before letting it go.
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I'd have thought that there is in fact a boy made entirely out of balloons is newsworthy enough as it is.
- Ian Tindale
XSL-FO 2.0 First Draft Published - http://www.w3.org/News...
My work begins - again, after six years.
- Ian Tindale
I finally got around to buying a 1TB Firewire drive and going around to every machine with Chronosync (http://www.econtechnologies.com) and consolidating my photo and music libraries. 255GB of photos since 1999 and 521GB of music and videos.
Amarnath Prabhakar, Marco ILLESCAS, Micah Wittman and 9 other people liked this
I should do this. I have photos and music all over the place.
- ha3rvey (just a friend)
I need to as well. :)
- Chrimmus Tad
I don't have nearly that much media, but I only have three computers of my own, and only one of them has my personal media on it.
- Eric Geller
I need to do that as well. Some day
- Deepak Singh
How are you going to access everything? Over the wire? I've always wondered about using a drobo for exactly this.
- Deepak Singh
It seems like a Time Capsule would be the easiest solution. You've got a central hub for all the data that is network accessible. I'd hate to keep moving external drives around.
- Eric Geller
I'll keep things where they are, make an off-site backup of the master collection, and copy the full music library to a bus-powered 750GB external hard drive (OWC's Mercury on the go) so I can keep it with me when I travel or use it on various machines. I only keep this year's photos on my laptop.
- Leo Laporte
Keeping only this year's photos on the computer is a good idea. Especially if you have all of them on a photo sharing site so you have access to them if you need them.
- Eric Geller
Drobo + NFS works pretty well, but not remotely accessibly without ssh
- Matt Mastracci
Hi Leo ,is there a way to chat with you few min over the phone ?
- Johni Fisher
What about?
- Leo Laporte
:-) thx ,A new app for Radio programs
- Johni Fisher
I have at the very least one TB of music and video and pictures. I store all that on Windows Home Server.
- Roberto Bonini
I've got a 320GB and a 320GB and a 500GB connected to a Airport Extreme.
- Ian Tindale
Wow. If only I had more then one computer where my media was stored. LOL.
- Zachary TG
The purpose behind research - http://mndoci.com/2009...
Ruchira S. Datta, Kubke, Neil Saunders and Cameron Neylon liked this
Surely the question is less, should it be published, than should it be done in the first place? If it has been done then it should surely be published in some form? I'm a great believer in the idea that we don't do enough filling in of tables at the moment - everyone chasing the big prize, no-one doing the, rather dull but important, work of checking all the details over, seeing how general it is etc.
- Cameron Neylon
I dunno, I see a lot of dull work ;)
- Anna Croft
Surely google will come out with something that takes care of all the boring stuff and out pops shiny new ideas.
- Ian Tindale
Cameron that's actually the part I am struggling with. There's dull work, lots of dull work, but is the purpose training or learning the next incremental bit of science? If it's training, then perhaps you should publish, but is J. Med. Chem. the right place to do it? Perhaps a methods journal, or PloS One
- Deepak Singh
Perhaps an issue specific to this case is that people expect drug research to produce usable drugs. Research not directed at that goal (e.g. research into the properties of molecules, of academic interest but not practical) might be viewed as a waste of time. Of course, drug development is difficult, time-consuming, takes years to come to market and is often serendipitous, but maybe researchers should constantly ask themselves "is this useful in the long-term or just interesting?"
- Neil Saunders
Huh? Who cares what journal it's published in? What possible difference can that make, when most people find articles by search not by journal? As for "dull work", no one publishes "training" -- or else high school lab exercises would be published -- if it's new information it doesn't matter how dull or "merely incremental" it is, it should be published because we simply cannot know what will turn out to be important.
- Bill Hooker
But then aren't we just feeding the publishing machine? I am not saying I disagree, but it seems like we have an interesting problem.
- Deepak Singh
If we feed the OA part of the publishing machine, I don't see the problem.
- Bill Hooker
This is where something like Nature Precedings or informal publishing become very interesting. I have a feeling that as our options increase, it's a good thing and we'll push out content appropriately
- Deepak Singh
Why do people get pissed at Microsoft? I have a new Dell/Vista. Nothing but Office 2007 on it. Crashes when I try to open Outlook. Sigh.
John B. Osborne, Ahad Bokhari, Sebastian and 46 other people liked this
Nothing on it? Or a bunch of stuff installed by Dell on it?
- Sam Pullara
Sam: there's all the usual stuff installed by Dell. I need a Windows 7 DVD! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Don't you have the latest RC candidate Robert? That should work I would think.
- Altan Khendup
i say use linux and thunderbird
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
Robert, why don't you use Thunderbird ? it's free, lightweight and it has lots of plugins https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US...
- امیرعباس
Microsoft needs to take control of their own support - Dell support sucks, and drives me away from Microsoft.
- Jesse Stay
Have a client with a win 2003 server. It's needs OS re-installing. They've lost disks. Apparently MS don't offer OEM 2003 support anymore. the product key with the COA (obviously) doesn't work with the evaluation versions I was told by Dell to download from MS site. a third call to Dell support, and they 'find' some disks in stock after all. It was a whole day wasted though chasing around in circles.
- Ian May
Faulty hardware, perhaps. Very common. Bad RAM, buggy BIOS and corrupted hard drives).
- Kittyburgers
LOL.
- Zachary TG
Three new motherboards later and I couldn't be happier with my Dell. Srsly.
- A Mitchell
I've had more than my share of issues with various Linux distributions, too. Not sure who I should hate for that.
- Jeff Harbert
everyone on freenode
- Ian Tindale
I use Gmail these days. Outlook is nasty expensive bloatware, that I can't personally justify the cost of, and with Gmail, none of the sync nonsense required either. I do back it up locally, but not had to use that yet.
- Ian May
Thunderbird sounds good but I think Opera client is worth a try 2 is so much nicer & with the browser 2.
- polou/indigo_bow
hello robert
- ramazan çekiç
Thunderbird is wonderful! I installed it on the fly (IMAP) during the last great Gmail outage with no issues
- 1001 noisy cameras
I think its just outlook... never could get that be very stable on any machine, not since they loaded it up with so many things.
- Matt Ellsworth
Outlook usually runs fine, but you're right in that it can be a bit finnicky if the main data file - PST file - is corrupt. Outloook can be run in safe mode without any addons if one of them is causing a problem. In my experience, a corrupt PST is the main cause of grief with Office Outlook, but is no more unstable than any other programme out there.
- Kittyburgers
from IM
Yeah, Linux is no better. Why, I remember Ubuntu crashing on me just last year. Not the OS, mind you, but gdm, so I was logged out. Or was that 2007?
- Bruce Lewis
It's all the crap that these companies put on new PCs that is so tiresome. it's time wasting too, removing it all.
- Ian May
Dell was good some years ago. Now they are average. Deinstall Vista. Choose XP. My new Dell is working stable since I did that.
- Wulffy
ThinkPad, Vista and OpenOffice = works like a charm for me
- Ronald
oh come on guys - Thunderbird is no Outlook, long way to go still
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
The latest batch of Dell Optiplex PCs which I installed had this queer 'feature' where explorer crashed on the first time that I tried to open the control panel. They then continued normally. Duh...
- Adrian Scicluna
Now I've installed, for the first time, an iMac running OSX with Parallels and Vista. And for some reason Windows seems to work better under VM on an iMac.
- Adrian Scicluna
Open Office may not be as feature-full as MS Office 07.. but then again, most people don't use more than 5-10% of all that Office 07 can do.
- Adrian Scicluna
But then again, some people really need all those features. I do. Open is not an option for many people in a office environment. Besides, the issue was with Office Outlook 2007, as I recall. Not with Open Office. Who cares about Open Office - that wasn't what the thread was about.
- Kittyburgers
from IM
I don't like Outlook as 1. I can't justify the price. 2. it's slow. 3. it's bloated eye candy 4. I don't need it.
- Ian May
does a new commercially bought PC with Windows and Software installed crash more than a commercially bought PC with linux or mac OSX? I'm not sure, perhaps it would be because typically there's way more installed and customized that can go wrong on first run. On the other hand my commercially bought HP with Linux could not be registered online or updated ("sorry, your serial number is...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I would agree with you on the price aspect, however, it is not really geared to individual users and is more of a business broduct and is included in the higher-end Office packages. It *can* be a bit so, but this is usually due to overly large PST files. On my machine with a 1GB PST file, it's still quite snappy, but on lower end machines, this can indeed be a problem.. I don't know about the boated eye-candy statement, though. I would disagree with you on that one.
- Kittyburgers
from IM
ok Kittyburgers. I used to use Outlook, but these days I simply don't need it. I prefer Gmail, and there's no darn sync nonsense. That is the main reason I moved away from local email.
- Ian May
Higher-end Office packages?! It's included in Office Basic. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us...
- Adrian Scicluna
It depends which market these licenses are sold. Office Basic 2007 is for system builders only with Offce Small Business and Professional 2007 trial. It is not sold retail. You must order it with a new PC. It is aimed at the small business user, not a home user. This is where the Home & Student version comes in. Office Outlook 2007's target users are in a business environment. This is what I meant when I stated higher-end packages.
- Kittyburgers
from IM
Stop buying Dell. The load it with crapware. My latest Lenovo was great. And my Velocity Micro.
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
from iPhone
that's cuz we all know your old generation is pretty much computer illiterate
- sofarsoShawn
my curent annoyance with MS is the helpful search technology they have added and kind of forced on me - by default it indexes too much, uses too many resources, and gets in the way... and i cant remove it...
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Indexing shouldn't be taking up too many resources. Check the settings - you can adjust everything to suit your needs. Just type "index" into the start menu and you should see indexing options (on Windows 7, and I believe Vista as well) If you deal with many documents and emails, I would say that it's one of the best new features. Certainly for me, along with jump lists.
- Kittyburgers
Learn how to use a computer, Scoble. Obviously you're doing it all wrong.
- John Hardy
LOL! Try cleaning out your data file if you haven't, should do the trick..
- Ahad Bokhari
Try having 40 Dells in a classroom that are never consistent. Then add 200 online students with GOD KNOWS WHAT home systems. Can you say IT exec turned CompApps prof turned HelpDesk technician? LOL!
- Brenda Rothaupt
They release products with extended beta's and once 60% of the "bugs" are worked out they charge you the 160$ for the service to continue. The people are getting educated this won't be in the future!! cs ostini
- Christopher Scott Ostini
The huge advantage of mass unfollowing...knowing who really read your tweets!
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Welcome to the camp of people who only purposefully follow. I will never go back.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Makes a lot of sense...no more spam and the ability to catch up quickly when you return
- Nicholas James
There's a reason why I've never autofollowed. Now you know. ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
It's interesting that twitter's predecessor - CB radio - never had such a feature in the first place.
- Ian Tindale
Just FYI, one lingering aftereffect of a mass unfollow is that twitter retains state that you once followed them. If you follow them again, you don't appear at the top of their list where a new follower would normally go. This can make it look like you re-followed, but then unfollowed them _again_. More details: http://jetsam.geekhold.com/inconsi...
- DGentry
Single molecule, one million times smaller than a grain of sand, pictured for first time
| Mail Online - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...
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2ndmoon©, Parth Awasthi, Mike Chelen and 52 other people liked this
woah - that's kinda freaky. It's almost like we're looking at something we shouldn't. "Don't look at the man behind the curtain!"
- Chrimmus Tad
What's cool (to me) is how closely the image matches the "ball and stick" model that we've taught for decades now.
- Mistletoe Glen
Yeah - that's kinda what I find spooky.
- Chrimmus Tad
Will we ever see atoms, do you suppose? Will we be able to see all the way down to the planck scale?
- James (!?)
We were able to take photos of atoms for quite a while.
- Chrimmus Tad
Yeah, IBM actually arranged xenon atoms to spell out "IBM" in dot-matrix letters; they've been very proud of their atomic force microscope for a while now.
- Mistletoe Glen
Wow. For some reason I thought that we'd not been able to get down to that scale. The thrill of seeing a molecule seems less than seeing an atom, no? (Though still cool all the same.)
- James (!?)
It's nice to finally see! In the near future not only will we see things which are smaller than this, but we will also see things larger than we ever imagined. However, the most significant visual observation we will be attempting to make is the one which will allow us to see further back in time than ever before. I know this makes some people uncomfortable, but I can’t wait to see what we find. Exciting times!
- Michael Fidler
It appears the difficulty in seeing a whole molecule vs a single atom of something is due to the interaction between the measuring device and the molecule. They say in the article that the tip of the detector was absorbing the molecule, until they switched it to something that would not do that. Incredible, how they can figure this stuff out, and also how we're seeing what was only inferred up to now.
- Rick Cogley
Phffph - only black and white?
- Ian Tindale
in older images http://www.fourmilab.ch/autofil... atoms are only visible as points, here the resolution is higher and the bonds can be seen
- Mike Chelen
@CrownSopJordan I usually tip 20% what restaurant is that?
This is why American servers hate Canadians. We generally only tip, at best, 15%. I guess the other 5% is for healthcare.
- Darren Barefoot
20% here usually unless it's bad service. Especially if I have the kids with me.
- Jesse Stay
I only tip 10%. I feel bad now, lol
- Isaiah Copon
15% is the standard tip rate here in Canada...I don't think Canadian's mean to under tip the American stndard. Actually Canadian's are very generous considering the enormous tax rates compared to the US, tacked on to their every bill. By the way, we love our healthcare system :) ok maybe not 100% but it's pretty good :) - Blessings
- Aline Ohannessian
from iPhone
Canadians are not allowed to call themselves generous. Only other nationalities can do that. And I've never met a Brit or an American who thought we were generous tippers. They all call us tightasses. But otherwise we're just "nice."
- Dominic Jones
Tipping by a percentage of the bill is retarded. Why does a server at an upscale place deserve more than one at a cheap diner?
- Raphael, Raphael
In England the standard tip is 10%
- Mark
I usually tip around 10% if I'm not in US.
- Burcu Dogan
I usually do the 10-15% but i think if we are 4 people and we are going to tip 20% we might as well invite them to eat with us :P
- M.Bamieh
I rarely tip, mostly when the service is more than good.
- Kaan Ertürk
I've never tipped & never intend to. I'd never tip my bus or tube driver, milkman, postman, the met police.
- Ian Tindale
welcome to singapore - you are not expected to tip at all
- viki saigal
if you think about it, why would you tip someone for bringing you your dinner ? it's their job!
- Mark
LOL to Darren Barefoot!
- Mark Dykeman
I agree with Mark! We almost never tip in Italy as waiters are paid to wait. We usually just round up the bill to avoid change.
- Flavio
I usually tip 20%. My wife isn't as generous. ;-)
- Herb Hernandez
The reason it's important to tip, at least in Michigan, is that the minimum wage laws allow employers to pay servers and others that traditionally earn tips less.
- Scott Ohlemacher
20% or more.
- motownmutt
So let me get this straight. RSS is dead because one guy stopped reading Google Reader? I am reading more feeds than ever.
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That's up and to the right. I am now reading almost 30 percent more feeds than I was reading a month ago. Bring it on. And RSS powers everything - not just feed readers.
- Louis Gray
I just started...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Pubsubhubbub is making RSS even faster. RSS is behind FriendFeed, LazyFeed, and every relevant aggregator. This argument is so silly.
- Louis Gray
Twitter's a great basic RSS reader for headlines and more realtime/'now' stuff. Not ditching NetNewsWire/Google Reader for actual post material anytime soon though.
- BeauGiles
I agree, but RSS could do with a few upgrades here and there though (I just want to comment on blogs straight from the feed itself).
- Hugh Isaacs II
Couldn't agree more. Sure, it might turn into more 'plumbing' for many users, but RSS is far from dead.
- Brad Kellett
900 articles a day? Now that's a lot!
- 321
Louis: I am writing an article about this. It will be in your reader a few minutes after it hits Twitter. :-)
- Robert Scoble
RSS: 1. Really Simple Syndication ; 2. Rich Site Summary => I like the interpretation #2 better.
- Ethan Gahng
That's fine, Robert. We're already discussing it here, though. :)
- Louis Gray
My headline? RSS: interesting or boring? (Hint @marshallk and @louisgray, we’re not normal)
- Robert Scoble
I never said I was normal. Just that I am kicking ass at my job. :) And that anyone else who wants to ought really read feeds. imho
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Agree with Marshall (and Scoble). I believe the best information producers are those who consume lots of information. Know your craft and use the best tools.
- Louis Gray
Marshall: you can read the feeds. The real news lately is being broken in Twitter. But I'm glad someone reads all those feeds so I don't have to!
- Robert Scoble
The signal to noise ratio in feeds is 10x to 100x better than Twitter, though. Even if you do prune your list of Twitter folks (as you have), much of what is there is not news-related.
- Louis Gray
Twitter is the news ticker. If you rely on the ticker to inform your opinion of the world... Good luck
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I had no clue why anyone would use Dave Winer's Twitter OPML tool to get all tweets from friends via RSS. But I tried it anyway and discovered that it's easier to find the really relevant stuff when you get tweets via RSS. I can skim through 1,000 tweets in a few minutes and separate the signal from the noise much more efficiently. And, of course, it's all searchable in GReader.
- Dominic Jones
I'm with Louis on this. RSS is far from over. Like Louis, the number of feeds I'm subscribed to is on the increase, too. Services like Lazyfeed and Toluu are making it far easier for me to discover great new content.
- Andrew Terry
RSS is critical to the growth of the social web, and is growing quickly. It will eventually be replaced by friendlier, less protocol centric technologies that shield the user from the mess that is ATOM/RSS etc.
- William Toll
Me too. Feedly has rebooted my RSS reading.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
completely agree. google reader is a great feed reader and is getting better GUI wise by the week. great avenue for syndication via friendfeed
- James Butler
from BuddyFeed
Taking into account that Im far from been an expert, I want to leave a thought. What if the way of use is simply different I mean, ok twitter is real time while RSS has some minutes delay, but in any case if I receive 900 hits/day I will not be able to read them all as they come so I dont see the problem on getting some delay.To me is just a question of leaving the noise on Twitter as is much more quick to read and pass through the news & info and get the selected ones on RSS for better storage and record.
- Luis Guijarro
RSS needs a proper comment API, so you can fetch all recent comments on all posts in one call from a blog - with threading if the site supports that.
- Richard Cunningham
That particular person was serving up link bait
- Dave Hodson
Dave: links are dead. Or so says the same person (Steve Gillmor).
- Robert Scoble
I stopped using Google reader a couple of years ago and I now just read it in the stream with my Twitter, Facebook, Flickr mixed in (in FriendBinder [disclosure: I wrote FriendBinder]) I'm not sure why other people don't do something similar.
- Richard Cunningham
Stuart: life streaming is a headline with a link. For the most part.
- Robert Scoble
The reports of my death are sadly mistaken - quote Mr. RSS
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Google reader is a great tool...if you keep it to only important and feeds that matters to you
- testbeta
louis agreed I love using google reader. great tool.
- (jeff)isageek
I love RSS and losing it would change how I work (and play), but I really wish it would be more mainstream. I work in technical sales and I bet <30% of that group even uses RSS day to day. I bet for the non-techies it is closer to 10%.
- Bill Grant
Love RSS and Reader both, my feed reading is rising day by day!
- Ahad Bokhari
i'm with you on this louis
- Andy Jenks
RSS is dead. Long live RSS!
- Aaron Strout
I can't seem to stop reading. Anyone else using Feedly in conjunction with Google Reader?
- ronnieledesma
RSS is an essential part of many things now. The argument is irrelevant and though I'd never say they were wrong, they are misdirected or trying to get a reaction. :)
- James Stratford
I use FF, Twitter and Google Reader for different things. Twitter and FF are far more about Buzz and the conversations around the topics. In Reader I aggregate many different original sources together. There is less need for it to be on-the-spot live, but it needs to be deeper and more detailed to be of value, and it is. They serve different purposes for me.
- Robert
Lately, I've been dumping select Twitter & FF feeds into Google Reader, as well as Posterous feeds, so even though I'm using all of these services, GR has now become more of a hub for me. Also: gReactions gives me a sense of how popular a feed item is. I would wish GR would incorporate these kinds of services so I could get more metadata about a feed item.
- phil baumann
Ughh, no, I believe the RSS is dead mantra arose from the real time Twitter phenomenon, however, us smarties know you gotta verify your sources & our attention spans MORE than the space of 140 characters. Catch that, the dual use of metaphor...attention "spans" MORE...As per myself, I read more articles via RSS feeds than ever as well.
- sofarsoShawn
So am I but not in Google reader, I read mine on my desktop in my e-mail program, they come to me, I don't go 'looking for them' I love RSS!
- Sandra Large
Say, don't Twitter streams have RSS feeds? The icon's right there at the bottom of the sidebar...
- Dennis Jernberg
RSS? It'll never displace Usenet.
- Ian Tindale
RSS is very alive and well and dare I say, even young. With tech news, there aren't necessarily thousands of sources like with general business news, etc. Where RSS will be big is in who can create the best filters for those larger niches. But the RSS readers we have today don't support all the features we'd need to create those filters. Google Reader management taps out at maybe 1500 feeds in Chrome, the most of any reader that can export opml (not just rss like Friendfeed).
- beersage
I agree that the problem with RSS is filtering. If something changed the way I use the Net was RSS, but now the volume is so great that unless you prune your feeds regularly you can end up with a lot of garbage. Most average users don't have any idea of what RSS is and that's something that can't cease to amaze me.
- Angel B
RSS & EMAIL are not dead. They are getting better and faster. PUSH tech can push anything. Push Email on mobile devices is just as fast as twitter. And now we are going to PUSH RSS/ATOM. Twitter is different, yet the same. Sure, maybe a news headline will break first on twitter but will I see it before I see it in my inbox or reader? Prob not because I'm not frozen staring at a twitter...
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- sull
#gnomedex "badge sex" photos:
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Annother cool innovation at Gnomedex: everyone has a little card. You drop it on the Microsoft Surface table. Then you can drag your contact info to other people's cards. It is badge sex. A lot more fun than business cards.
- Robert Scoble
from email
Yes that is Pirillo. I am off to get a beer.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
definitely a lot better than just a business card. cool innovation.
- rama mamuaya
So this is it? You guys are shmoozing at #gnomedex right now?
- Marilyn Jansen Lopes
wicked cool. i'm excited and i'm so not a geek.
- Trish Haley
Is that using the microsoft tags? http://www.microsoft.com/tag/
- Dave
Dave: no.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
You have a *title*, Robert? Whoah. Just sorta seems all old school for some reason.
- Ken Sheppardson
How many people have you mated with? I mean your card. With other cards.
- WorldofHiglet
A few, I don't know and I need sleep. See ya tomorrow.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Cool
- Marilyn Jansen Lopes
I remember a pair of suits theatrically posturing "Beam me, baby!" pointing their then-new Apple Newton MessagePads to exchange cards.
- Ian Tindale
That's innovative, but badge sex! The outcome is a reproduction of information so I guess it works. For the life of me I can't come up with something so catchy and memorable :)
- James Stratford
Crapbook or netbook, same $279 price? Hmmm. CNET still doesn't have a clue. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
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Laptop any day. I've got fat fingers, and no use for a netbook.
- Will Higgins™
Bet my fingers are fatter. But I love to travel light, the lighter the better.
- Dave Winer
I don't like my MacBook weight/risk - I take my Acer Aspire One (UNR installed), hardly notice it in the bag.
- Ian Tindale
Acer Aspire One keyboard is fine. Some netbooks have too small a keyboard - you'd keep mistyping passwords.
- Ian Tindale
In my opinion a huge disruption is due when we shift from landscape, to portrait 'clipboard'-oriented devices
- Ian Tindale
*shrug* get both. That's a nice deal
- Rodfather
Talk about Facebook buying FriendFeed here (on FriendFeed, of course):
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I'm not sure what it means, but I hope the goodness of Friendfeed stays intact.
- Tom Landini
I guess Facebook just got real time search engine!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
What do facebook get out of it?
- Ruchit Garg
Fact or fiction?
- Jason Cronkhite
from iPhone
I haven't seen likes and comments stream real-time this fast before.
- ydfeed
It depends on who lays claim to our posted and aggregated material.
- jcunwired
it could work. if Friendfeed completely replaces Facebook
- Edgar Rodríguez
I think it's a brilliant move, although bringing this into the Facebook walled garden would ruin it.
- Derek Shanahan
how much for?
- Ruchit Garg
Is it true Robert?
- Kevin Whalen
BAD 'n SAD :((
- sid 【ツ】
Great match to take on the Twitter machine.
- Ryan Cummins
what is next..facebook killing twitter integration...SCORE....??
- Denis
++Edgar
- Ryan
Presumably a technology acquisition then, Facebook is buying the team and the tech.
- DGentry
Good for Facebook, BAD for us. NOOOOOOOOOOOO
- Nir Ben Yona
I don't like it
- Jason Hargrove
Bad news, if true.
- LogEx
Just because Facebook bought Friendfeed, doesn't necessarily mean they will do anything with the service. At least maybe not right away. People need to chill out.
- Alex Knight
hope it doesn't mess w/ twitter integration
- Ken Seto
makes a lot of sense - f.b. now has a power house of real-time all-stars. fixes many of the feature 'wish' lists for f.b. - actually a major positive sign for innovation. congrats to the F.F. team.
- michael sean wright
How can i shut down my ff account?
- Fotis Alexandrou
I need a few hours and possibly large amounts of chocolate
- Bwana ☠
If you are right, that "Facebook just got real time search engine", that is good - as FB really, really needed it for a long time.
- Bora Zivkovic
:(
- Sinem Co
yes, this is fast. Reminds me of a few hours ago when I was on Freenode
- Ian Tindale
There goes your data.
- Jason Hargrove
This will probably be bad. like all purchases, it will be an "afterthought" and never be fully allowed to develop and flourish.
- Ryan Jones
Man this is really SUCKS!! :((( we all know Facebook strategies on the web :(( Whey will drive FriendFeed to the helll and I'm pretty sure of this :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( BAD SUCKS SAD :(((
- FFTornado
Funny thing is, if you posted about this on Facebook, 99.9999% of it's users would go "huh, what's FriendFeed anyway?"
- Richard Matthias
It almost seemed inevitable since Facebook has been copying so much of Friendfeed in recent months. It's good for the founders of FF and may benefit those of us who use both on a regular basis. Maybe they'll just leave FF alone?
- Kenley Neufeld
someone tell me what they will do with it? Nothing maybe? Kill it, maybe?
- Francine Hardaway
Wonder how they'll integrate, separate services with more interaction or FF swallowed by Facebook.
- Steven Cains
Buy as is use it's IP and close it down or run as separate business? Either way, didn't see that coming.
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
It was bound to go down. Like we used to say on the block shootin' dice "Big Bank Take Little Bank"
- professor daddyo
I do, however, wish tha tmore sites would implement this commenting engine.
- Ryan Jones
Fotis: haha, wait too long, and you'll never be able to close your FF account ;)
- Jason Hargrove
not believing it until another source confirms...
- Benton
Congrats to the friendfeed team. Worried about the future though.
- Andy Roth
Whats FriendFeed anyways?
- Marco Horta
so that Facebook can maybe copyright the "Like" button? lol
- Than R
How are we going to abbreviate it now? FBFF? FFFB? F^3B ?
- Harry Wolff
I receive the breaking news via BNO News at this moment: Facebook acquires FriedFeed...
- Torsten Eckert
haha you're right Richard
- Ken Seto
Wow
- Rodfather
I am stuck in Texas and have not confirmed myself.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
OMG.
- Nathan Chase
maybe they can implement threads?
- Jeremy Toeman
It looks like a defensive move. I think it's better fro FB to acquire FF than incorporating twitter functionalities in their status feature.
- Pablo Paniagua
double wow.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Friendbook? Facefeed?
- Jeff Harbert
If it's true, I suspect FriendFeed as we know it will be gone, but Facebook will be greatly improved.
- Costa Walcott
bah. i will go do something else. this news isn't helping
- Edgar Rodríguez
trying to look on the bright side - maybe we'll get those iPhone/Blackberry apps for better access to FriendFeed
- Stuart Miniman
But if it isn't true we would have heard by now.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
apprehensive about this
- Liz Polay-Wettengel
Official: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Brandon Titus
I want to hear the $$$ number
- moo yu
Congrats to ff team...but how does this work? I have 2 different accounts...and I like it that way...I don't want to share/spam my friends on facebook with what I have here...
- brainno722 (Peter)
@robert no we wouldnt have
- Jeremy Toeman
It's official: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Costa Walcott
Originally posted this to your other FF/FB post before you astarted this one: I don't see the point of Facebook acquiring FriendFeed. They are pretty much identical services (well, FF represents just the News Feed portion of Facebook) I don't see how they can incorporate FriendFeed into Facebook. If they really did buy it, then I see this as them going for programming talent more so...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
From FF blog http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Tom Landini
I'm hoping this improves Facebook (just like everyone else). Facebook has gotten horrible stale for me of late.
- Harry Wolff
This stream itself is the evidence of WHY Facebook bought FF.
- Steven Walling
What's looking shiny and new now? :-)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I've been needing a reason to get re-interested in Facebook, this could be it.
- JonInteractive
Friend management will need to be enhanced/overhauled. Otherwise, the noise will make the combined product unusable.
- Peter Ghosh
No! I am going to cry! I HATE FACEBOOK! I have a Facebook account, but FriendFeed is way better. Life is over! Apocalypse.
- Zachary TG
Seriously, how can i shut it down?
- Fotis Alexandrou
We'll have to wait for more details to see exactly what Facebook is planning to do with FF.
- 321
Bodes badly for FriendFeed. --rj
- Roger Jennings
I think this is more of a "send the friendfeed traffic to facebook" than any kind of technical leverage. My biggest concern here: in order to exchange dialogue with people on facebook I need to be friends with them vs. being able to do it on friendfeed without having to friend them up. I find this valuable as there may be a topic or 5 that I want to engage with user "X" on, but I don't...
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- Erik Boles
I am disappointed by this news... I don't like Facebook at all... And I'm afraid they will just kill FriendFeed with their awful cluttered interface...
- Fa La La La Lindsay
It depends on how they integrate it. Did they buy it for the search engine, or did they buy it as a potential for extending the reach of Facebook into real time conversations? It's all about the life stream now right? So probably Facebook's attempt to stake a claim there.
- Tony "Frosty" Welch
bad days are coming
- Ahmet Soyata
Fotis, why do you want to shut down our FF account?
- Alex Knight
This is bad news for Yahoo 360°. Oh wait, too late.
- Ian Tindale
Bad bad bad bad bad bad ::runs screaming down the hall::
- mary
Crap!
- Zachary TG
This is disgusting.
- Zachary TG
First of all, I love the name "Facefeed." ROFL Second, this is business boys. Happens all the time. Why do you think innovation keeps happening. FB will integrate or kill off FF, and something else will happen. It's a natural cycle.
- Francine Hardaway
For a second I thought it was a joke, but then I checked Friendfeed's Blog. http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... Damn it.
- Alejandro
Nir Ben Yona +1
- Muge Cerman
Turmoil
- Ian Tindale
wondering if i should continue aggregating all my online activity in frienfeed now that facebook owns it!!
- Gtp19
I can't begin to process this right now. Too much work to focus on. Later when I read this 10,000 mile long thread and have a glass of Cab in hand.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
Geeks and fb not a good mach
- thomas elton
from iPhone
We fear change
- Ian Tindale
Not feeling real good about this, hope fully Facebook will do right by the FF community, but I'm not holding my breath. Glad for the FF team though
- Kim Landwehr
Twitter dissed again.
- JonInteractive
if you look closely at FF the large majority of FF posts are twitter posts, so there was not that much original content on FF in the first place...
- Ingmar
So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter..
- Nick Halstead
Makes a lot of sense for Facebook. And we find this very healthy ^^
- twitscoop
People need to stop freaking out. The Facebook/Friendfeed buy out was just announced. Wait for details people.
- Alex Knight
It could be bad, it could be good. As long as Facebook doesn't try to port their functionality over, I'm fine with it being a financial acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
Crap, its official !
- Peter Dawson
This is really bad... a wonderful tool based on killer technology will go over into this mass market teeny poking culture. Bah!
- Markus Tressl
then again it is great for linking FB, TW, flickr and so on
- Ingmar
Here is the FF post on the acquisition: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Mrinal Desai
Great, why did I bother creating an account here? I could have held out.
- desinole
if this is true, for the love of god, please don't Facebook go and mess up FriendFeed as they have their own system, Facebook is a mess these days, Friendfeed is one of the 2.0 sites that actually has concentrated on doing a few things well, complete opposite to Facebook.
- Carl Grint
I suppose Friendfeed was considerably lacking in LOLcats.
- Ian Tindale
Cuz we all know that facebook doesn't respect user's privacy and you've got basically everything on ff, youtube, twitter, digg whatever you do
- Fotis Alexandrou
Paul Buckheit will now be a house husband:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Confirmed by FF http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- David Peacock
Smart for Facebook but I prefer Friendfeed the way it is.What, we'll be throwing rabbits next?
- Janet Fouts
FriendFeed listens to the community. Facebook doesn't. Not to mention they're ENTIRELY different communities.
- Adam Reyher
If they keep FriendFeed as a separate site, and still upgrade regularly, this is fine. If FriendFeed winds up in the dead pool, then it sucks.
- Steve Sill
If true, congrats to the FF Founders!
- Jason Cronkhite
from iPhone
Maybe I should rediscover my Orkut account.
- Ian Tindale
I was just thinking how Friendfeed had stayed out of recent takeovers, mergers and hence cyber attacks. Will Friendfeed now be taken over by celebs and spammers too?
- Nils Geylen
Not sure why this news makes me nervous. Please tell me it's going to be ok Scoble...
- Lucas
FF has been FB's incubator for awhile.
- Peter Warnock
it's true damn!!!!
- Edgar Rodríguez
How can I spam on this thread please ? Any idea ?
- Toucouleur
Facebook has ZERO respect for users' wishes... Friendfeed is incompatible with that. Friendfeed will be going away. :( Their blog post says as much: "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally **for the time being**. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product"
- tollie williams
Quickest/Biggest thread ever
- Ian Tindale
Ideally, FB will leave FF to do the sweet innovating they are doing and just take the awesome features and put them into FB
- Ryan
This is the first time I've used Friendfeed in a year. Good move on their part.
- chantelle
How Much ? $$$ ;-)
- Jacopo Gio
I'm heading back to Jaiku where it's nice and quiet
- Ian Tindale
So, where do we migrate to now?
- Byron McCollum
FriendFeed functionality on Facebook would be nice. The reverse, not so much. They're trying to address two entirely separate purposes and as such, need to remain completely separate.
- Adam Reyher
back to the twitter
- emresezgin
I want numbers. how much did facebook pay?
- Zac Bowling
soon friendfeed will = Jaiku
- johnny2009
Hum...let's see what happens.
- Chip Hanna
Stay here until FB does something dumb with FF
- Ryan
The rhetoric seems a bit too "Facebook will do what they want with us" and not "we will remain FF and continue forward". Seems as if FB went for the tech and we could lose FF as a seperate entity. Boo.
- Derek Shanahan
confirmed by facebook press release.
- Zac Bowling
Love 'em or hate 'em....Facebook made a phenomenal purchase.
- Kevin Pruett
I see a ton of Wall Spam. Facebook users just don't get it when you port your twitter updates over. There is too much for them to wrap their heads around. This will be a hard transition.
- Ryan Cummins
And I was REALLY getting fond of FriendFeed. From now on only downhill applicationwise?
- Bart
Not happy about this. I use Facebook, but don't like it. It reminds me of AOL from 10 years ago.
- David Sharpe
I agree that I don't want FB to mess up FF, but this will also give FF a higher profile and bring in many more users...which we may or may not like, judging by what happened on Twitter. I hope FF doesn't die off like Jaiku because I really think FF offers a more valuable and useful interface.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
One thing to consider is this: If we have "trusted" the FriendFeed people not to screw things up, hopefully we can trust them to make sure they're still in control in the terms of the acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
What's it going to be called? Failbook?
- Ian Tindale
Its going to be called Facebook.
- DGentry
I hope this is a joke.. Damn it, I dont like Facebook now there is nowhere to go... F***
- Jacque
I am trying to imagine how this will be a good thing for existing FF users. It feels so right and so wrong all at once!...Maybe at least my kids and wife will finally get what I've been ignoring them for over the past year.
- Thom Kennon
FeedFace
- Ian Tindale
Is that means we're going to see more extremist groups around, now that FB has acquired FF?
- Nir Ben Yona
so where do all the cool kids go now? we need another startup, stat!
- h1ro
I am afraid... what johnny2009 have said can really be the future... soon friendfeed will = Jaiku
- Ahmed Mubbashir Khan
Damn,I've just"got friendfeed,and i love it.I definately don't like facebook.What does it mean for twitter?
- Paul Downing
Any investors want to predict the buyout price?
- Kevin Pruett
am gonna wait for google wave... coz in facebook, i cant access the complete stream for a month ago, the site goes down very often while browsing, and privacy issues galore!! congratulations for friendfeed but its jus me!!!
- Gtp19
Maybe we´re seeing here one of FriendFeeds biggest discusions ever. I´m sceptic about the future of FF as a standlone service...
- Torsten Eckert
What concerns me most is what happens to my friends here (and that I have to interact with my friends THERE). Will we have to be friends to interact in the same way we have the last couple of years?
- jcunwired
This is very good for FriendFeed as long as Facebook doesn't corrupt them. I would have preferred to see Google buy FF but I know with their focus on Wave I don't think it would have been a good fit. I like the Facebook platform, but they have done too many shady things in the past for me to trust them.
- Adam Teece
all of the conversation is happening on FriendFeed and Twitter - nothing on Facebook. Think we'd scare away Facebook if everyone starts having lots of conversations there - like on Scoble's fan page?
- Stuart Miniman
They can or don't have to fix FF's FB app now.
- ydfeed
Is Twitter going to buy Myspace?
- marcus bösch
Ha Stuart - great point *Facebookers take cover*
- Kimberle Kelly
That does it. I'm going back to usenet.
- Ian Tindale
What's next- Macy's buying Gimble's?
- Thom Kennon
Apple buys China
- Ian Tindale
what do you think Robert?
- courtney benson
All I can think of is now a lot of people can feel the pain the dedicated Pownce community felt, but at least you're not getting shut down, just yet.
- Mike Lewis
I'm not a big facebook user, but my gut feeling is that like twitter buying summize, it will mark the end of major innovations. I hope I'm wrong. But they should totally go with the facefeed mashup name.
- motownmutt
I dont see any potential for competition with twitter FB and Twitter serve different purposes as does FriendFeed
- iluvblackwomen
Sorry but renaming Facebook to 'Facefeed' is utterly stupid.
- Alex Knight
It'll be called ScobleFeed
- Ian Tindale
does making google reader more social has anything to do with this buyout??!
- Gtp19
yeah this was good for facebook. bad for anyone who liked friendfeed.
- Liz
FriendFeed is very good, a better way to use Twitter & etc. Knowing this, I still rarely use FF. Not going to start using Facebook more.
- Nicole
Actually, this could be death for Twitter when you think about it. The people I know who are in FB are not likely to add TWO more nets to their lifestream. FriendFeed makes more sense for them. Maybe Twitter just stays as the dumb pipe it's become for many of us here.
- Thom Kennon
Echoing what others have said - My guess: Facebook will get better, Friendfeed will get worse, Twitter will matter a lot less.
- Matthew Blaisdell
Good for FB UI and search, questionable for the FF community and its independent spirit ...
- Bo Stern
last comment 2 hours ago on FF by Paul Buchheit, FF CEO, was just " :)" http://friendfeed.com/paul #friendbook
- Jacopo Gio
The main reason why I came to FF was because when I tried to treat FB the same as FF, i was talking to a wall. At least people interact here. At FB, it's all about the cheesy games/apps.
- Matthew Horton
from iPhone
Just like most acquisitions, it could be good and it could be bad. I trust that FriendFeed will live on as FriendFeed, only sharing their tech with Facebook. Possibly more integration between the two sites. If you were FF/FB, what would you do?
- Nick Humphries
Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook are three entirely different animals. Facebook eats Friendfeed and poops out little bits of content that once belonged to us. Twitter continues to thrive as the broadcast conversation-wannabe that it always was.
- jcunwired
Nick - think again. Its going to go away - read the tea leaves in this statement: "Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users" - Bret Taylor in this post https://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- jcunwired
Please no. I don't like FaceBook...
- Svartling
Facebook must want real time soc-net search badly...
- martin smith
The biggest thing here, at least within the Twitter context, is that this merger will combine 'verified' identity (in terms of Facebook user ID being slightly more 'real' than Twitter) with real time status updates.
- Dan Patterson
I'm looking forward to what this brings to Facebook. I have enjoyed both networks but wondered when FriendFeed/Facebook would face-off and/or be absorbed by the other. I think FriendFeed's tech will improve the Facebook experience.
- Jacob Sloan
FriendFeed + Twitter = disruptive. FriendFeed + Facebook = one more app for FB . Facebookers dont know the power of FriendFeed. I agree with : "" So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter.. - Nick Halstead ""
- Rocky
Most likely scenario is Facebook assimilates the FriendFeed guys, has them work on improving Facebook newsfeed/realtime/status, and lets FriendFeed die a slow unmaintained death.
- Richard Akerman
Well, my friends on FB doesn't give a damn about sharing links, news, pics, vids etc. So I'm not sure how I will use FB+FF now. I don't think FriendFeed will exist, just implemented in Facebook. The name FriendFeed will die. And: on FB you don't want the whole world to see everything you're doing, just your friends. And it will stay this way. So the question is: Who will build the new FriendFeed?
- Patrik Johansson
Do this mean, by the way, that we (the FriendFeed users) should start to connect with each other on FB? How will they like that? People who get's 2-3 maybe 4000 connections?
- Patrik Johansson
Robert, it means all the time you invested building friends lists and updates there will go to Facebook :-)
- Loic Le Meur
could someone start to develop a Frienfeed clon , please ? ASAP !
- Rocky
Seems bloody terrible from this users perspective. Good for Friendfeed the company though.
- Quasar
Given Facebook's past, this could be really bad. Given FriendFeed's past, this could be really good. No real way to speculate without talking to the FF crew.
- xero
+3273 Quasar! (one for each of my Likes, already on a death march)
- jcunwired
Robert, do you know if Facebook is going to put on limits here at FF??? Oh crikey... so much for our citizen journalism here.... Admittedly I am bummed. Uber bummed.
- Arleen Anderson
EndFeed.
- Alex Schleber
your blog is the most important thing you can own on the web. these sites can come and go. it's a great social point but true friends you've made here you talk outside of ff, right?
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
It's a good time to sell to Facebook, cause Google Wave is imminent and is going to destroy all of Facebook, Twitter and FriendFeed. I think FriendFeed employees might even go back to Google eventually as soon as their contracts with Facebook are up.
- Charbax
Robert - wow. just wow I am stunned. Sorta sad actually. I love FF innovation and don't want to see that stop !!!!!
- Susan Beebe
(RE: Your tweet earlier) When you say the minor league team going to the majors, I don't always feel that this is a positive thing. As in this case, it's like Ferrari being acquired by Ford. I don't think I like this acquisition.
- Richard Merritt
the free ride couldn't last forever. I know it sucks that things will change, but they've got a lot more sense than Twitter has about these things..
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
You must all assimilate to the new FaceFeed
- Jonathan.Rivera
From what I'm gathering, this acquisition is more about FB acquiring the talented engineers of FF than it is about the FF software itself. A smart play by FB. Unfortunate for us that value FF. I personally feel that FB is just slowly becoming the new Myspace. Which I don't think I need to explain how lame that is.
- Richard Merritt
According to WSJ — FB paid $50 million — a mix of cash and stocks. http://bit.ly/SVTA5
- Richard Merritt
If you ignore all the crappy apps and just comment and post photos, your main feed on Facebook is fundamentally a pretty similar experience to FriendFeed - people post stuff, people comment on it. That is, at-least, the way my network tends to use Facebook. The main difference is that Facebook defaults to being very closed and private while FriendFeed defaults to being very open and...
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- Edward Coffey
edward - pretty much. it's FF for the layman. remember back in the day they used to have forums too?
- Terry O'Fee
friendfeed is very cliquey. you have your group of people who usually gather round for conversations. now imagine some of this friendfeed stuff in facebook. done right it will help them a lot.
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
I don't think I am liking this but FB does need to add the "edit" feature like on here.
- Marika Dye
FriendFeed is Facebooks Summize. It’s All About Search. http://bit.ly/11ZW6l
- paul mooney
Thinking Out Loud: Echo issues during a high profile tech show http://www.talkshoe.com/talksho...
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
FF acquisition is expected. But, as a user, I would be bumned, if FF would become a feature of FB. As, I tend to use Twitter as my social network and not FB.
- Vasu Srinivasan
It doesn't make much sense talking about 'Facefeed" and 'Friendbook'... Facebook simply bought a cool 12-people company called Friendfeed for its great search technology paying 15M plus some shares, which is really very cheap in this context, given the value of FF's technology (as it is perceived by us). They are also hiring the talented FF team, which makes the deal even more interesting for FB. Probably there are also some deeper hidden motives and implications that I am not able to get.
- Liviu Barbat
I would love it if Facebook integrated the FriendFeed features. I would love it if Facebook had FriendFeed's flexibility with Facebook's privacy control. It sucks that the world may lose FriendFeed, but it is great the Facebook will likely get better.
- Andrew
Andrew, Facebook will get better - over time. There won't be any Vulcan website meld of FB and FF overnight.
- Bill Sodeman
thank god someone understands that, andrew. it's like "i liked this band better before they went to a major label!" ;)
- Terry O'Fee
Bill - But we can dream, can't we? :) I mean, what I love about Facebook is that I'm interacting with my friends as my friends, not as usernames and avatars. But I hate their bookmarklet, the weird delays when I post anything, the comment system, and I hate the Photo gallery tech. I love the FriendFeed community, but would love bringing the FriendFeed technology over to Facebook even more. If only Facebook could buy Flickr next...
- Andrew
as long as fb start thinking in creative commons terms... one day ..
- Terry O'Fee
they are both great services I think will be a good thing
- Logan Lindquist
oh NO! I don't spend much time at FB (everybody there's too busy playing stupid games, at least in my little network), and besides it's more private unlike FF. And now they've gone and bought FF? And I just joined! I guess I won't be around here for long, since FF won't...
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't like it...
- Harry Mahardhika
No mention of Yahoo. Totally irrelevant these days. Sad.
- Scott Schnaars
This deal makes sense! Now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask!
- Garin Kilpatrick
One of my facebook accounts got closed up. Into this account I fed my friendfeed. And into friendfeed I fed for example my socialmedian shares, diggs, stumbles etc.
- Wilhelm Bauer
Time for the next generation app. *Taps foot impatiently for Google Wave*
- Karen Masullo
I don't think it's about getting Friendfeed it's self; but having the developers and the information about real-time search.
- Chris Martin
I am actually VERY excited about FriendFeed going to Facebook. This is a HUGE win for both companies! More later.
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+1 (without the more later ;)
- Orli Yakuel
Big news.
- phil baumann
Oh, I can't wait to hear how this shakes out...
- Travis Tasset
With any luck FB will rework the UI to make it more friendly and it can gain some market
- James
Absolutely. Great deal all around. Congrats to everyone involved.
- Tom Guarriello
If Facebook uses the FriendFeed interface, then I would agree it is a great idea.
- Rob Diana
I'm hoping for better, faster feature development.
- Jeff Harbert
yes, definitely win-win
- Wolfgang Heinrich
huge win for both companies ?? is it a win for the FF community ?? who comes first ?? the business or the users ?? I bet you within 6 months, I wont be using FF as much as I use it now !!
- Peter Dawson
i agree - facebook has been getting on my good list this past year and I just love friendfeed.
- Chris Jackson
Just as I re-dedicate myself to using FF, FB acquires them. If FB can integrate FF's deep feature set, it would be a win-win-win.
- Jim Duncan
True or false: Facebook needs FriendFeed more than FriendFeed needs Facebook.
- Joel Zehring
I'm excited too, but at the same time I'm afraid facebook may make some wrong moves with their acquisition. We've seen this happen before.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
this is not a good day for Twitter....
- Giorgio
I fully expect to just see FriendFeed as a separate entity to go away with its technology being absorbed by Facebook.
- Mike Flynn
Very True.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Joel: Absolutely true.
- Adam Reyher
I caught Robert's reaction to the news on my iPhone: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
If this makes it so I have one LESS place to go to follow my social media, then it will be great. I already have too many different places with different people and different conversations for differ purposes that overlap and make it unnecessarily complicated.
- David Rondeau
FF > FB? not great, actually. diversity is better than monopoly. and i'm concerned about aggregation features getting deprecated (in the name of progress and chrossing the chasm and all that jazz.. of course ;)
- jacek
This is a IP, technology and talent grab.. I don't see the 2 sites being consolidated
- Dave Senior
It may be a big win for both companies but is likely a big lose for FF users.
- Brian Sullivan
FriendFeed functionality on Facebook would be nice. The reverse, not so much. They're trying to address two entirely separate purposes and as such, need to remain completely separate.
- Adam Reyher
I hope Facebook turns into FriendFeed. That would be great!
- Wo
I'd really love to see the real-time threaded conversation feature of friendfeed be adopted by facebook.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Looking forward to your analysis Robert
- Ken Seto
I can see development of FF slowing down as the team brings the tech over to Facebook
- Dave Senior
Indeed, Brian. FF devotees should be pissed over this. I can't believe Facebook will do anything but carve out a few choice pieces of FF meat - likely making them even more Twitterish - and dump the rest. FF will be gone within six months.
- Shéa Bennett
This is a huge win for both companies, and a huge fail for every net surfer.
- TiTi
yeah it may not be that bad. maybe i'm exaggerating.
- Edgar Rodríguez
Well, I think the FF team can certainly help the Facebook UI. But, all I take away from this is FF going away.
- Yolanda
One thing to consider is this: If we have "trusted" the FriendFeed people not to screw things up, hopefully we can trust them to make sure they're still in control in the terms of the acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
Yes, Robert. Like TiTi said, huge win for both companies, huge fail for the people who like FriendFeed. "Welcome to FaceFeed! Would you like to take a quiz?"
- Zach Flauaus
I think this is definitely a huge win for both but maybe not for the users. I think it could be good or bad for users but I hope that Facebook will allow FriendFeed to continue and push the envelope with emerging technologies. I imagine this is Facebook and FriendFeed teaming up against Twitter.
- Brandon Titus
.-( Good for Friendfeed, but horrible for people that like friendfeed and hate facebook &their UI or where FB is blocked
- Del_
may be
- Ahmet Soyata
It's good timing. FF uniques fell almost 10% in July.
- Shéa Bennett
this is bad news for twitter, me thinks.
- Brian Ries
Absolutely, Robert. Its a very good tech acquisition for Facebook, they get a great team with a well developed technology stack. It lets the FriendFeed founders get a good, early exit.
- DGentry
I hope so. I know my initial reaction was not as negative as most of the others I'm seeing in my stream. Maybe I'm just being naive.
- Herb Hernandez
Hopefully this means the power of friendfeed will be utilized. Awesome news
- Marcus
This is why I follow Mr. Scoble, yes that is Mr. Scoble :) always has his fingers in the breaking news.
- dennis podgorski
I'm fired up about this union between FriendFeed and Facebook. With the exception of my social media group, I've used FriendFeed primarily as an aggregator--despite it's being my favorite GUI and functionality. I think this is going to bring the substance to FriendFeed that it's been missing. Very exciting!
- Jim W
I have a hard time drawing my line of Public v Personal. I use Twitter & FriendFeed for public use and I use Facebook for private use. I have not even once made a status update on Facebook. I am not sure I want FriendFeed on Facebook. I am intrigued about the possibilities of integration but I am not sure I will adopt.
- thestaticfrost
The power of FF will be used -- but it won't be pretty and won't be for good.
- Brian Sullivan
I have to agree with Robert on this. I think this is likely to be a great deal moving forward. I'm excited about it, and happy for the FriendFeed crew. They've done an AWESOME job.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I am not as excited about this. I don^t like Facebook as much
- nchenga
i think this is going to add more value to Facebook
- Lee Kent
concur robert
- mike "glemak" dunn
It certainly makes sense, and I agree that it adds value to FF. I wonder how many of the 250 million users of FF will be using it in its current form.
- courtney benson
Just surprised this didn't happen earlier. Facebook has been mimicking FriendFeed's functionality for a while now. Nice that FF is finally getting paid for their R&D efforts.
- Aaron Strout
I think this will make me drop friendfeed or facebook
- Nicolai Rygh
Please explain - this may be win for Friendfeed - but as far as us the users/fans... we're the big losers in this right? I really really can't stand Facebook :-( Help us have hope...
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
ruination.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
I will wait and see approach @ all
- polou/indigo_bow
here is the explanation, FF have t sell the soonerr, better then laterr, they choose the right momment, wave is there and it is a big promise
- abdellah
when Google start wave, they surely shown their non desire to acquir FF it was implicite
- abdellah
All Your Feeds Are Belong To Us
- Ian Tindale
I'm hoping for the best.
- Jim Connolly
The idea here is growing on me. I see the business case...I'm still not sure as to the impact on Twitter and different users who prefer one tool over another and/or use the two differently.
- Derek Shanahan
I'm trying to defer my pessimism...but I feel an "I Want Sandy"-type fail in the wings. As for FF needing to sell, that wasn't the case; the founders had the money to keep it going for as long as they wanted, basically. We'll see, I suppose. We'll see.
- Ken Kennedy
This is really interesting. This will bring a bigger pool of social media services to people. As it is now, regular folks don't venture further than Facebook, with this acquisition, many will realize that there is a plethora of great other services and social media websites that they can engage in.
- Rami Taibah
Ya know when you get a bad feeling about something - I have one about this deal. Can't put my finger on it, but it don't feel right.
- Jim Connolly
FriendFeed now to get BIGGER than Twitter?
- Jim Connolly
"when Google start wave, they surely shown their non desire to acquir FF it was implicite" - I think that probably covers it.
- John Craft
Isn't this the kind of daring move that Yahoo should have made?
- Andrew Warner
Seems like a HUGE win for Facebook. Not so sure for the future of FF, though.
- Chris Wood
This is really interesting. This will bring a bigger pool of social media services to people. As it is now, regular folks don't venture further than Facebook, with this acquisition, many will realize that there is a plethora of great other services and social media websites that they can engage in. On the side of the coin, I am kind of worried about FB privacy issues and data portability
- Rami Taibah
is there a dislike button anywhere? I did exactly the opposite FB never appealed, FF rocked...
- Valeria Maltoni
FriendFeed will not be the same place, in terms of the community, but this keeps friendfeed around for a while. Awesome! Where's Arrington? Did he reopen his account?
- Benjamin Taylor
Whatever FB and FF does, don't tell Oprah... That's a sign it's over..
- Timothy Latz
FF isn't blocked at work, FB is. FF usefulness would nose-dive for me if blocked.
- Brett Veenstra
Brett: this is likely to pave the way for more client applications for Facebook, which will not be blocked at work.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Fwd: Facebook acquires FriendFeed. Interview with Paul Buchheit, cofounder of FriendFeed. - http://btre.blogtalkradio.com/74_2996... (via http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...)
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Well that was fast, Robert.
- Adam Reyher
Wow. I honestly did not see THAT coming....
- Carter Rabasa
Nice work Robert.
- Alex Calic
ya talk about real time news, thanks
- sean percival
listening
- Chris Saad
This is beginning to resemble journalism.
- Ian Tindale
im not sure its such a great thing facebook and friendfeed sitting in a tree.
- Eran Even-Kesef
Good job Robert
- Ruchit Garg
Definitely, I'm listening now. Wow! This is breaking news!
- Manu Ullas
hopefully this turns out okay, don't want friendfeed to get ruined. great interview, that was fast reporting!
- Dakota O'Neill
What are your thoughts Robert?
- Amani
WD mate
- Chris Saad
Hoping this will lead to an improved/cleaner interface for Facebook...I prefer Friendfeed
- Rick Bucich
That was quick. Thanks robert.
- Akshay Dodeja
so, so sad. I like(d) Friendfeed much more than facebook
- Francisco Kemeny
home run for FF.. Facebook will be able to give developers a treasure trove of data one thing that Twitter is dominating on right now. Twitter has a huge developer community but isn't managing that. Here FB is poised to be huge
- John Furrier
So classic that Robert has the first interview about this...Where's Louis? :)
- Anthony Farrior
Wow!
- Ideas At Random
I think FriendFeed can help Facebook more than the other way around.
- Manu Ullas
"very cool...."
- Carter Rabasa
How do they plan to mix the teenagers with the geeks?
- Jordi Soler
Amani: I am excited! Facebook has 800 employees and 300 million users. This makes both companies much more important.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
here was a comment on SiliconANGLE blog .. very funny .. "Hey, since we've copied almost every innovation you've had, guess you might as well play on the company softball team!"
- John Furrier
Nice strategic move - Interesting to see how this will integrate and looks in 12 months
- Alex Vermeule (@alexve)
to be honnest I was predicting google offer, then facebook preceed google on this, they are doing well, now rarding FF this is great, the sucess is to know when to pass to something else, the future will make the abtle wave, facebook rude for all geek it is time to code.
- abdellah
You rascal Robert, bet you had wind about FriendFeed and FaceBook merger before today? Yes? Have not used either SM apps. much UNTIL Twitter locked my account. May have been a fortunate mishap as it turns out. Getting to know the beauties of both apps. =)
- SashaKane
Awesome. Thanks.
- M. Kong
Should be so very interesting.
- Adam
Robert wastes no time on the reporting. CNN needs reporters like this.
- JonInteractive
Not sure I am so jazzed about it....but congratulations to the FF crew.
- Kreg Steppe
Honestly, I won't get used to following Robert Scoble in Facebook. Seems out of place to me.
- Jordi Soler
Wow! I was not expecting that.
- Devon Govett
Letter 'F' affinity and alliteration merger, classic playbook move.
- James Watters
Did I hear someone laugh in the background when you asked about FF users being disappointed?
- Paul Saarinen
Agreed Jordi
- Rick Bucich
A good interview Robert.
- Thomas Hawk
Thanks Robert! - shared and linked over on Phreadz : http://tech.phreadz.com/v...
- kosso
Robert, mind if I transcribe this? (Unless someone else already has.)
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Congrats on getting this story Robert. I agree--this is great, realtime journalism!
- Sunshine
No mention of twitter?
- Ivan Kirigin
Hahahaha...all that time you invested over here on FF paid off today! LMAO
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: just watch what happens now. :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
do you have a small amount of FriendFeed shares Robert?
- Torsten Eckert
NOOOOOOO. Damnit! I am praying that Facebook doesn't wall up Friendfeed. I was starting to build a site around Friendfeed :(
- beersage
beersage: as Facebook is trying to break their users into a more public world, I doubt that you really have anything to worry about there.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Starting to listen to this now. Hoping you are right, Rob.
- beersage
I hope so to. But regardless, I think that it was in reality necessary for FriendFeed to sell to really put the technology in front of a sufficient number of eyeballs. Facebook is probably the best acquirer that FriendFeed could have. (I would have not felt the same had FF been acquired by Google)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The thing with Friendfeed though is how I can share things outside of a 'wall.' I prominently feature the FF widget on my site. I'm just concerned of losing that capability as I was tinkering with delivering a new site w/ content primarily running through my Friendfeed account. I am to this day unable to do much outside of the wall. I am unable to subscribe to Fan Page updates in Google reader for instance. That is what concerns me about FB acquiring FF given my goals.
- beersage
Robert sounded quite breathless in that interview. Thanks Robert.
- Roberto Bonini
Great interview great Job!!
- Kevin J Hatton
Wow! I'm in shock. I can't wait to hear this interview.
- Micah Wittman
from iPhone
This deal was about getting Paul and the team and nothing else
- Stephen Pickering
@stephan, are you serious? FB is buying a concept, a technoloie, a structure, a content and a user list
- abdellah
now how could a team that left google resist under a unique perception system, where the leader vision is upon any thing
- abdellah
Unconvincing Paul Buchheit, the team is more exited of being part of bigger story - logical for them to move on
- patrickdh
They want a way to turn their white pages into a yellow pages and the only guy on Earth who knows how to do it, is Paul
- Stephen Pickering
It was only about the technology and the people. Most people are on also FB anyway.
- James Myatt
My guess is that Paul got a tooooooooon of options and will soon be the No.2 guy at Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
Glossing over of that "short term" question by the FF boys. It just seems more about the individuals at FF than it does the users of FF. "Their (Facebook) long term goals" Nice interview, Robert!
- Melanie Reed
Well, it looks as if pass-through of FriendFeed Likes, Comments, etc. to Twitter is down. Will it be for good? Did Twitter do this in response to the acquisition? Or is it just a regular (though curiously timed) hiccup?
- Alex Schleber
twitter dow!!
- abdellah
Alex, my Facebook posts have been going through FriendFeed to Twitter today. :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
How did you record the phone conversation with Paul Buchheit? I went to BlogTalkRadio.com but... it‘s not clear at all :-(
- Florin Grozea
Florin, rough transcript here: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
I have a few choice words. @#%&. That is all.
- Zachary TG
To do this call I used BlogTalk Radio's Cinch: http://cinch.blogtalkradio.com/
- Robert Scoble
dugg: http://digg.com/tech_ne...
- Gaith
Thanks for this, Scoble.
- mp3WatchWorld
this is why your own personal website is always more important than friendfeed, Twitter and all the rest. that's never going anywhere
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
Wut!?!? Facebook Acquires FriendFeed? http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Holy cow. Hope they leave us alone.
- s t e v e
??? !!! ???
- Noah Gray
aaaaaaaaaaargh!
- D0r0th34
Will Google acquire Facebook next?
- Ian Tindale
Unlike! Unlike!
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
commencing the gnashing of teeth.
- Elaine Nelson
also, does that mean FF will be blocked at work like FB?
- Elaine Nelson
Blocked at work?! Set up a 443 tunnel to a home computer :)
- Brian Krueger - LabSpaces
I agree with Steve Lawson - I hope they leave FriendFeed alone. More likely, they will kill FF :(
- Richard Akerman
Oh no, but I just defected from FB to come here...
- Kristin Partlo
Wow. FriendFeed goes to Facebook? Wild!
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Not believing this until I see some more proof.
- Brandon Titus
Will Google acquire Facebook next?
- Ian Tindale
Look what you did.
- ydfeed
Is this for real or are you just referring to the TechCrunch post?
- Paul Jacobson
Yea! Crazy! http://bit.ly/AIEYG
- Daniel Brusilovsky
i refuse to believe. not while TC is the only source.
- Edgar Rodríguez
I dont like this all :(
- Fee501st
I wonder if Facebook will basically incorporate the FF technology/interface.
- Scott Paley
NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! I hope this is just a rumor.
- Rob Diana
B L A M E S C O B L E
- Bwana ☠
Seems uncool.
- Anthony Citrano
Not beliving it either......
- Roberto Bonini
Sigh and I just recently discovered the awesome FriendFeed. I sure hope this site stays and they go copy whatever code they want for Facebook. If it's true I still need to congratulate the staff at FF, you certainly deserved it.
- Patrik Arwengrim
I don't see the point of Facebook acquiring FriendFeed. They are pretty much identical services (well, FF represents just the News Feed portion of Facebook) I don't see how they can incorporate FriendFeed into Facebook. If they really did buy it, then I see this as them going for programming talent more so than the IP and will leave FriendFeed to wallow and die off. Much like Google did with Jaiku when they bought them for the human talent at Jaiku.
- Christopher A. Wichura
Official: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Brandon Titus
This means our beloved FriendFeed is dead right? I really hate Facebook!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Dear FF - RIP. I'm with Jannifer on Facebook....two big thumbs down.
- Debi Jones
RT @TechCrunch Facebook Acquires FriendFeed http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... <= Wow. I guess if you can't get Twitter...
As if to demonstrate that the recession is over.
- Ian Tindale
Mini-Microsoft is right. Microsoft has turned a corner and tomorrow morning I'll show you another example of how. - http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009...
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Tease
- Geoff Schultz
Geoff: yes. I hate embargoes. It ends at 6 a.m. Pacific Time. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Geoff: but, when I left Microsoft four years ago, it was a company that didn't get the Web at all. Today? Bing. Silverlight. Azure. And other things we can discuss in the morning are showing that they've turned a corner away from strategy taxes and toward embracing the web again. Will this continue? Microsoft still has a lot of work to do. IE sucks, so does its mobile phones, but I find I'm excited about Microsoft again and that's a big change over the past four years.
- Robert Scoble
And the echo chamber feeds itself once again. Sounds like it should be interesting
- Chris
Chris: yes, I doubt my words will be found on USA Today. By the way, if it's such a nice echo chamber, why are you here to deride it? An echo chamber should be clean of that. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
sonic imperfections. Polish up the echo-chamber a bit more and me and chris won't be heard :)
- martin english
I heard its Alto Cumulus Office which is a name i made up on the fly. I agree with you though Robert MS is really putting some great stuff out there. Win 7 is great, Bing surprises, and I'm going to go a step further and throw in that XBOX Live proves they really do "get it" about the internet.
- Geoff Schultz
I keep coming back to the words someone once told me before I worked at Microsoft "never count Microsoft out." I am afraid I have done that a few times in the past four years and now it's clear Microsoft is coming back in.
- Robert Scoble
i can't believe i'm saying this... having been(and still am) a microsloth (there i go again :) basher for more than 12 years... but if they have turned a corner... not just in terms of technology, but in terms of attitude and innovation, i wish they do bring about great things... competition for google in a way that advances technology and innovation can only be a good thing... its getting too lopsided in the market again...
- simran
Geoff: yes, XBOX Live was a great example for the past few years, but easily written off because it was from a weird group that wasn't even on the main campus. But now other things seem to be happening back on the main campus. I wonder if Bill Gates leaving had anything to do with this?
- Robert Scoble
I think if Microsoft decides to get IE to go standards compliant (big change) that would be the true icing on top for them to be turning the corner. I think Google is the new Microsoft in terms of attitude because they seem to capture everyones mind into thinking there not evil whatsoever. I'm going to like tomorrow alot.
- Rahul Krishnakumar
Windows 7 will be free.
- Shaun McDonnell
Rofl that would be a funny announcement. Thats the sort of thing you save for a Friday, right after stock market closes to prevent a run on the "bank", Shaun.
- Geoff Schultz
All this excitement because Office in the cloud?
- gui ambros
Microsoft Office 2010 http://www.office2010themovie.com/
- Johni Fisher
Until SB steps down,,,, thought i do like it when GK and SB fight with each other.http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- James Hunter
Wait Robert, you're using Silverlight as an example of *embracing* the web?
- Michael R. Bernstein
Silverlight 'rebooted' the Web and pushed every Web 2.0 developer away from Flash.
- Shaun McDonnell
Morning should be interesting, as reading between the lines of your posts here, it's not Office in the cloud. PDC, and minimsft have talked about that in detail. So, therefore it must be something else. Cool. :)
- Nick Wade
Shaun: There is no way Microsoft could do that. Scoble: The echo chamber is completely anti-mainstream and the problem there is that every new amazing thing loses perspective, such as some who are crazy about Friendfeed. Anyway, on topic, you've got me enticed to see what this is S.
- Chris
Don't know if you've covered this before, Robert, but it might be interesting to blog about how you prepare for that embargo release time, besides dropping lots of juicy hints to whet our appetite. What sort of things do you have lined up, ready to go once the gun sounds?
- Ron Schott
I have a funny feeling this announcement's not going to be as big a deal as I would like it to be. MS have a gift for taking something good (like windows 7) and screwing it (like charging waaay too much for windows 7). I will be happy to be proven wrong - lets see :)
- Jim Connolly
So, Will you tell us your secret today? At 6 a.m.?
- Bernaldo Barrena
The Borg is back in town. And there's a lot of road kill out there who thought Microsoft would never pass them...
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
from iPhone
Oh, is this the Microsoft+Apple merger? I didn't realise it was tomorrow.
- Ian Tindale
Ian LOL
- Bernaldo Barrena
It's probably the Yahicrosoft! thing coming to fruition, Ian... I wouldn't worry about it, until people start making an exodus from Flickr and del.icio.us again .;)
- Tyson Key
Swearing Can Make You Feel Better - http://www.alphagalileo.org/ViewIte...
New Research Reveals That Swearing Can Actually Increase Pain Tolerance
- Ian Tindale
Re: New features in FF and Twitter (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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"Thanks for letting me know. I'll take a look. This is why I suggested that they make a Twitter clone dev kit, so publishing organizations that wouldn't have the wherewithall to compete with Twitter could use the FF engine to get in the game. It's a good match, but I don't think the FF guys are hungry enough yet."
- Dave Winer
is this relevant? http://jaiku.jaiku.com/presenc...
- Ian Tindale
The last time people reacted this way to a famous music star dying was the day Elvis died. I was in elementary school and still remember my neighbors playing his music. Michael meant more to my life than Elvis.
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Hits close to home. Really close.
- Mona Nomura
It's a very weird night for news like this. But I agree, Michael was an icon, still is..
- Mark Aitken
Especially during the Thriller days. If you weren't there, you don't understand how crazy everyone was over MJ.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I'm wondering when the riots will start in LA..
- Mark Aitken
Somehow I'm completely without emotion regarding MJ's death. No idea why.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Same here Mona - I don't remember feeling this way about any celebrity's death before.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, what about John Lennon's death? That was also a huge jolt at the time.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I'm sure there are watershed moments for every generation. Elvis passing was more a Baby Boomers thing (IMO) while MJ is probably more a GenX thing. No doubt these things will impact everyone differently. Still, it's odd waking up to such news this morning.
- Threepwood
Is it really that big of a deal? The guy was a freak and a child molester. Sure he was huge in the Thriller days, but his star is not only not as bright, but a little tarnished as well.
- MarkCarras
For me and my crew, the day Jerry Garcia died was met with a similar reaction. For me it was much more profound.
- nicholas einstein
Yep. This is hitting me the way it hit me when Princess Di passed away. I was rather oblivious to Elvis, myself.
- Helen Sventitsky
John: yes. I think Elvis was bigger though.
- Robert Scoble
I liked his Thriller album and videos, but after that he seemed to go downhill. And the child molestation thing tainted how I felt about it.
- RobinDotNet
This has more impact than Kurt Cobain
- Ian Tindale
I feel sad, I love Michael's music：（（（（
- K.D.
50 is young. But Michael started his professional career at an extremely young age, so he's a true flash.
- Louis Gray
I always consider Michael Jackson to be the king of the bassline
- Ian Tindale
I like his music too, but I don't like his actions.
- Andy
I agree completely with Mona and Jesse, this is the first time that I feel like someone really close died, even though I never got a chance to meet him.
- Diego Espinoza V.
@MarkCarras ...and Elvis died on his toilet or something. So close to his passing most people are choosing to remember the GOOD things he did in his life.
- Bryan Zirkel
I wonder if people will try to whitewash over his history as a child molester and just focus on his fame?
- MarkCarras
The thing here is we've all seen his life through a glass window. He's been a very public figure, but with a private part to his life. I think we all recognise how much was lost tonight.
- Mark Aitken
more babies were conceived during an MJ song then any other artist in my opinion, RIP KING MIKE!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Adrian Eden
I've never understood the way people worshipped him even now, years after he has done anything successful.
- RobinDotNet
Very strange day, sad. MJ was incredibly talented... a true star.
- Susan Beebe
it has been discussed 4 a few hrs already. RIP King of Pop
- polou/indigo_bow
Same age here, and that was a strange weekend. There's nowhere near the social influence in this case. No movies to pay over and over all weekend.
- Jason Nunnelley
What about his kids?
- Andy
What about when John Lennon died? Was that bigger than MJ's death?
- Sam Houston
I remember all too well when Elvis died, I was 9 years old, standing on Paige street in Lindsay, California, playing with my friends. Weird, how you remember things like that?
- Rob Fahrni
No disrespect to MJ but I think the same reaction would be happing right now if it was Madonna.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I also must remind myself about where I was when John Lennon died.
- Helen Sventitsky
I wonder if Madonna would get more coverage, actually... I preferred her as an artist.
- Tamar Weinberg
I'm too young to really have been a part of the big days of MJ, but I still LOVED his music. I hope he's remembered fondly. lots of stuff in the media about him that's not good. I choose to ignore a lot of it
- Chris Brakebill
Can't believe it really happened. Bigger for me than elvis, lennon, cobain or even diana. I hope people remember him for the brilliant musician that he was and not his other antics.
- Raj Narayan
Wow, has anyone realised we can measure the coverage of these celebs now with the tools we are all using? I'll bet we see lots on the news tomorrow about the social web coverage of tonight's story.
- Mark Aitken
I was a toddler when Lennon RIPped
- polou/indigo_bow
Folks, the real reason we react with such a deep personal response when a celeb like this dies is that it smacks us in the face with our own mortality. We identify ourselves a little with these celebs, whether we like, approve or even appreciate them as artists. I've been listening to Michael Jackson music since he was a teenager. I don't like seeing artists that were popular when I was a teen dying because it reminds me my time/era is fading just like that of my parents.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason - same feeling here. Very close to home for some reason.
- Mark Aitken
@MarkCarras what happened to the presumption of innocence? He was never tried on the first case due to lack of evidence, and acquitted on all counts on the second one
- Juan Tarrío
@Helen - I remember the Diana situation too, and all the hype around it.
- Tyson Key
Wow, what a bold statement. Jason, do you know me? Do you know the reason why this hits so close to home for me? What if I told you the very first cassette tape given to me by my dead mom was Michael Jackson's Thriller? Think twice before yapping like a know it all.
- Mona Nomura
i think of john lennon & frank sinatra in comparison to how big a legend michael was. the difference is, i grew up listening to michael jackson. sad day.
- Jim Halligan @jim
Mona, I'm not sure how your statement is incongruous with my own. Sounds like you agree.
- Jason Nunnelley
Juan Tarrio -- I would have felt that way too, if according to papers on the smokinggun from the first child molestation trial (the one he settled out of court) didn't reveal that the kid knew personal specific details about MJ's personal parts. Ick. I can't believe I just typed that.
- RobinDotNet
For me it was the loss of Peter Sellers and John Lennon. I think because they had so much more to give us.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
My personal idol of the early 90s who never had a real private life now gets what he deserves - liberty for the rest of his...being
- Naii
RIP MJ
- Kashif Khan
Yes, this is easily worse than when Dermot Morgan died.
- Ian Tindale
Elvis? Not John Lennon?
- Carol Levesque
His music was the soundtrack to a large part of my life. What a difficult life. RIP.
- Marlin Forbes
John Lennons death was under different circumstances, he was murdered and also coming back with a record from what I heard reported on Sky. I was too young for John Lennon so for me the closest comparison is with Princess Diana. RIP
- Joe Dawson
Never an Elvis fan, but I was a huge Beatle fan, so John Lennon's death was a shock to me. I do enjoy Michael Jackson's music.....unfortunately I found the man questionable at best, but also feel sad for him dying at such an early age. At least he no longer has to suffer whatever personal demons drove him.
- Bonnie Foster
People were pretty hung up when Lennon passed. Same with when Aaliyah and Lisa Lefteye Lopez passed away. I sincerely disagree with the sentiment that the last time there was a unified mourning of a musician was Elvis.
- Mattie Kenny
from fftogo
Aaliyah dying seemed to have a pretty big impact, even though it was soon overshadowed by 9/11. I remember seeing a lot of baby girls born after 2001 named Aaliyah.
- Victor Ganata
Mona, Jessie... Hits close to home with me too. And it also hits me like when Princess Diana died.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Michael Jackson? I can understand the Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Dylan, the Grateful Dead and dozens of others. But the King of Pap?
- George F. Snell III
@George - CNN pointed out that Thriller is the best selling album in history at 50 million. Love him or hate him that's a big impact.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
No denying he was bigger than life - what a strange world he lived in - seems like he got lost somewhere along the way...
- Mark Harai
I see several people on this thread wondering why "GenX" is so impacted by MJ's passing, here is a reason why (http://www.youtube.com/watch...). He was hands down the best performer, crowd-puller, the 80s has known. When it comes to celebrities, I like to view the artist separate from the person, and as an artist, he was up there with the very best.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
definitely a noticeable generational and country gap here
- Bill Kinney
i was having an early dinner at a restaurant when i saw this on the local news....couldnt believe it.....truly sad and socking
- goutham
thought the same thing Robert. I was at the roller-rink when Elvis died. I will probably always remember where I was when MJ died - the gym.
- BEX
My favorite reaction from this news: "Don't worry, he's still alive on YouTube" - my four-year old nephew from Perth, Australia about Michael Jackson RIP.
- Iggy Pintado
I remember that reaction too and some don't seem to understand that Michael was an international superstar, who brings back incredible memories of our childhood. At 45 I literally grew up with his music and am shaken by his death.
- Karen Swim
I remember when John Lennon died in 1980, and it was much bigger for me than Elvis dying. He was assassinated, and it was announced on Monday Night Football by Howard Cosell. Lots of people were devastated by it. It's ridiculous to skip over it. The Beatles were the most well known band in the world, and in that moment, we knew they could never get back together because John Lennon was the leader of the Beatles, and now he was dead.
- Cristo
Like Cristo I remember the day Lennon died. Walked into the student coffee shop on campus and it was like a morgue. Yet, I grew up with Michael. I remember sock hops at lunch time. My first slow dance was with a boy to the Jackson 5 song, I'll Be There. Michael's death makes me face my own mortality. Michael's death is the end of an era.
- Arleen Anderson
I was stuck on the Test Track ride at Epcot when I heard the Michael Jackson news.
- Mike Reynolds
There's no doubt about Jackson's talent and if it hadn't been for his (for lack of a better word) eccentricities in the last several decades in my opinion there would be an entirely different bent to the epitaphs today. I kept thinking over the years, if he could just remain.. well.....normal...... but, would normal have produced Thriller? Billie Jean? The glove? Moonwalking? The...
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- Molly
As a musician, Elvis meant more to my life. But Michael was.. simply Great. RIP.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
RIP MJ and RIP Elvis anyway. :))
- Oğuz Serdar
Today is the day music video died.
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: MTV did that a long time ago.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@Daniel Oh, I don't doubt his impact on pop music - although I think his impact is more on packaging, marketing and style rather than in the music. I just don't understand the blind devotion of his fans.
- George F. Snell III
I suspect there are 1000s of people who meant more to my life than any pop star you can give me a name for. And I certainly don't know their names. What's the hashtag for that?
- Wade Dorrell
Of course there are 1000s of people who meant more to our lives. The reason we feel a sense of loss when celebrities like MJ pass is because his songs bring back certain memories from our lives. Brings back memories of my childhood. Less about MJ and more about his music and the memories.
- Curt Mercadante
Andy: Are you okay? You don't like his actions...did you ever see the man dance?
- Garin Kilpatrick
There are some people you're just glad that they are gone, not because you dislike them, but exactly because you _do_ like them. The guy was pushed into the showbiz by his dad, had no childhood, had no privacy, and the only people he cared about (i.e. children that lived crappy lives) were used against him to the demise of his career. MJ is far better away from this place we call Earth.
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
I was a 13 year old on the family trip driving trip that summer that started in connecticut, went through florida, across to arizona and then back across the center of the country. We woke up in Oklahoma city flipped on the TV and got the announcement that Elvis had died. Our next stop was supposed to be Memphis...
- Armen Chakmakjian
Don't forget Kurt Cobain. I actually cried when he died. I won't cry for Michael Jackson. :-/
- Dane Deasy
My social networks are wall-to-wall Michael reactions.
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Very sad!
- Eric
as they should be
- Zee.
Does his music trump his allegations?
- Andy
you are late to the party, if you'll forgive the metaphor. We've been discussing this on Veronicas friendfeed for 2 hours.
- Mark
rip king of pop!!!
- Adrian Eden
Surprisingly Twitter seems to have more msgs involving the Shaq trade to Cleveland.
- Barak B
Michael's career spanned over 3 decades. He affected many generations with his music & dance (and other crazy ass stuff).
- Carol Levesque
The internet is sluggish by the weight of everyone talking about this. Too much death lately.
- Lise
what a terribly sad day
- Therese
Are you surprised or making a statement?
- Jason Hansen
Mine too!! Also Jeff Goldblum, Walter Kronkite
- Susan Beebe
Jason: just stating a fact.
- Robert Scoble
You have to feel as if he, like many, left us too soon!
- Michael B. (SearchBuzz)
No Kidding. I haven't been online all day and I get to FF to see al MJ news
- Jonathan.Rivera
Robert: Touche'. :)
- Jason Hansen
No amount of artistic talent justifies totally wasting it and the rest of his life on a totally self centered self destructive lifestyle. Sad when anyone dies young - but he does not deserve this reaction.
- Simon Bryan
Grew up on Michael Jackson, first record was a 45 with ABC on the A side.
- Kim Landwehr
Mine too, and now I can't even focus on work. I just became a MJ fan two weeks ago... awwww, I'm in after the harsh judgment. :( (edited to be less nasty) When I see someone suffering, I feel compassion, because I too have suffered. If you have not suffered such intense pain as MJ clearly did, the correct response to that is gratitude, not condemnation. In my humble opinion, of course.
- Lo
social networks r so powerful
- polou/indigo_bow
Same here as well as the phone.
- Michelle
Can you measure how wall to wall compared to other news? Do you have a trending measure across all the networks (perhaps in FriendFeed)?
- Mark Aitken
@michelle wow the phone 2 eh?
- polou/indigo_bow
RIP MJ
- Adam Horne
And most offices still at work won't be talking about anything else. I've had five phone calls about MJ already.
- Chris Baskind
@Simon, this has nothing to do with talent. The influence he has had on pop music speaks for itself and will never go away. Just because he was accused of something by people with questionsable ethics themselves doesn't mean we can (or should) go and remove any reference to him or his influence on the music people are producing today.
- Kenton
24 of the 31 items on my FriendFeed main feed at the moment are about Jackson.
- Ken Sheppardson
same here - it's 99% MJ tweets and FF posts
- Nathan Chase
Such an impact on those of us who grew up with that music, I remember exactly where I was when the Thriller video was released... *sigh*
- Janice
CNN confirmed... So sad! R.I.P. Michael!
- Patrick Mackaaij
And so there you have it. Off the Wall, MJ's best ever album. :)
- Edward Zwart
That's a fact. Off the Wall is very much underappreciated.
- Patrick Mackaaij
I feel the need to dig out some older Weird Al Yankovic tracks
- Ian Tindale
so sad! Love this from @GuyKawasaki Jackson Five ABC: http://trkk.us/?hBp
- Kelly A Nelson
Made me realize I'm getting older - or just old... a sad day.
- Mark Harai
Wow ! poor Farah Fawcett just disappeared from the news
- sivanath
It's like jacko stole the thunder
- sivanath
Real-life longcat - http://naurunappula.com/z...
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I don't want to be a kill-joy but that is not the right way to pick up a cat, it is very uncomfortable.
- Kevin J Hatton
@Kevin: I agree... I guess (hope) it was done for the sake of the picture: http://images.google.fi/images...
- Jemm
I am sure that not cruelty was intended.
- Kevin J Hatton
I can't see what'd be uncomfortable about it - it's soft and covered in fur.
- Ian Tindale
i guess it's all right. i hold my cat like that sometimes. he would said nothing but just get away soon when he feels bored or tired. you'll feel tired if you keep hanging there like that.
- vjay
Sometimes when faced with twirling, snarling, claws out and trying to rip your eyes out, back feet going 45 MPH, this is the safest way to deter the nice little kitty from tearing your face off.
- Brent - Loving Life
longcat is...
- Chris Hofmann
No Ryo, unfortunately, but it can put weight on the wrong part of the body. Side's it's called empathy, give it a whirl sometime.
- Kevin J Hatton
indeed..............
- Kevin J Hatton
what if your cat is so long even if you try to pick it up it just dangles like that??
- sanelisiwe ntini
@ sanelisiwe ntini Consult a vet!
- Kevin J Hatton
Amazon.com: Connections 1: James Burke, Mick Jackson: Movies & TV - http://www.amazon.com/Connect...
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"As the Sherlock Holmes of science, Burke tracks the clues that lead us to eight great life changing inventions. Burke postulates that such changes occur in response to factor he calls "trigger," some of them seemingly unrelated."
- Dave Winer
from Bookmarklet
I added this series to the room because it made a huge impression on me when it came out -- and I want to watch it again. The theme of the show is that progress is made in an unpredictable way, with one discovery or invention having implications for future development. This is the point I've been trying to make in the last couple of podcasts, the one with Jay and one I did on my own, that when we look back at the transition we're in now, we'll see that the big innovations came from unexpected places.
- Dave Winer
I never watched the show, but read some of his books. Everyone interested in science and/or technology should read or watch Burke, and then sit down and think about it.
- Bora Zivkovic
I've thought back to this show several times this year! Thanks for posting on it.
- Micah Wittman
Did you ever catch James Burke's "After The Warming" - a sort of prototype / precedent of "Inconvenient Truth" in many ways.
- Ian Tindale
In fact, try this: http://video.google.com/videopl...
- Ian Tindale
Sorry @caterina Hunch is no Flickr. Here's why:
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When Stewart Butterfield, co-founder of Flickr, showed me Flickr in the hallway at O'Reilly's Emerging Technology Conference it immediately captivated me. Hunch? I filled out my first 20 questions and then looked over the questions. None grabbed me. I don't get why we are seeing so many sites that are trying to answer people's questions. And, anyway, Aardvark is getting me more excited.
- Robert Scoble
What is Hunch?
- Fee501st
What is Aardvark?
- Jennifer Ruggiero
Fee501st: Hunch is http://www.hunch.com/ -- a site that asks you a ton of questions and then presents what it feels are interesting questions for you. Or you can ask your own.
- Robert Scoble
Jennifer: http://vark.com/ Aardvark is similar to Hunch, but uses IM to route questions to you, or you can ask the system questions. I've found it to be very cool and much neater because it has that IM feel. When I do have a question that I need a real person's answer to, Aardvark is going to be where I go.
- Robert Scoble
Worked for me. It totally helped me choose a case for my iphone. Perhaps what excites you isn't really relevant. Not being snarky, just saying.
- Jim Oxenford
Jim: that might be true, but I'm pretty good at picking "hits." Flickr immediately had me excited. Hunch? Nope. Hunch already has well entrenched competitors and I don't see what makes this so much better than any other question service.
- Robert Scoble
I have never been into these type of answering engines/services. The only thing in this domain I have used is ChaCha - For simple questions, like "did the lakers win last night"? I am a big fan http://www.chacha.com/
- Mike Bracco
Flickr immediately answered something I needed (a way to share photos with others) and did so in a way that was clearly way ahead of the competitors.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert Cool, i just did the questions, then ask which care should i buy, It said Mini Cooper! lol that's not me!
- Fee501st
Fee501st: it bored me before I even got the answer.
- Robert Scoble
Well, it helped me decide what was important in a case. It's something I've been trying to decide for about a week. Not a life changing decision but important to me. I've not tried Aardvark but certainly will. We all have track records of picking hits and misses so we'll see what shakes out. I just think it's to early to declare it a miss.
- Jim Oxenford
Robert: the 'questions' that disappointed you are the user contributed content. Certainly this is not hunch's fault. And how much can you get excited about what 'shoes to buy' anyway?
- Nikos Anagnostou
What's really bad is that it asked me what kind of car I'd want to buy, yet it didn't even know that I can't drive.
- James
I quit before I answered the question too but then asked "what netbook should I buy" asked the right questions and gave decent recommendations. Better than many mainstream sites can state they do online today...
- Ben Hedrington
Do we really need a tool to help us make a 'better' decision? (not totally convinced by the 'better' word though)
- Constantine
A smart hunch site would ask for access to my twitter/flickr/friendfeed/facebook feeds and data mine those sites with a smart algorithm and make recommendations based upon the wealth of available data.
- Jim Posner
@Constantine I think such a tool is valuable to boil choices down to what's most meaningful for you. It can help clarify your options a bit.
- Jim Oxenford
But wouldn't that make humans act more like robots? Malcom Gladwell said something very interesting the other day: it is very hard for people to make a decision out of many options, but the process becomes a lot easier and "more controlled" when people have fewer options to chose from.
- Constantine
I have a Hunch thread too! http://friendfeed.com/dariusm...
- Matthew DeVries
@Constantine Well, I'm not sure I would go as far as to say that. It was a useful tool for me to use when making a relatively minor consumer purchase. Yes, Malcom Gladwell is 100% correct stating the obvious. That's one reason Apple found success again when Steve Jobs returned.
- Jim Oxenford
Robert I agree on the state of the current questions, kinda boring. BUT, I think if they get the user base, the questions will grow and become way more interesting. Where I really think they stand out however, is how quickly and easily they got me to answer 20-30 questions. FAST. I haven't found a site in a long while that has successfully extracted that much information from me without boring me to tears.
- Matt Sims
Matt: that's true. It too got me to fill out those questions.
- Robert Scoble
There was another site, pretty much identical to this about 6 months ago, asking questions to try to profile you, then bring you content according to your questions, this is no different. What was that other site called?
- Matthew DeVries
Plinky! That's it.
- Matthew DeVries
I liked the questions about the lounge and kitchen styles. Too bad the pics are small. Would love to answer preferred office furniture and computer specs.
- Constantine
it doesn't HAVE to be another flickr either. flickr was/is HUGE. That being said, I prefer smugmug.
- Jim Oxenford
Is Hunch even a picture hosting service at all? Cause if it is, it is certainly downplaying it.
- Matthew DeVries
I don't get these question services. Are they for people with lots of free time or just those who don't know what questions to ask themselves?
- Sal DiStefano
Nikos hit it on the money without realizing it: "the 'questions' that disappointed you are the user contributed content." --- No, this is not Hunch's fault, but it is exactly why every general-topic anything-goes answer site eventually goes to the dogs. Stranger's random questions just aren't interesting. Sites like StackOverflow thrive because they target a specific demographic that...
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- Joel Bennett
Sal: Decision making by humans is generally flawed. We succumb to the pitfalls of our own psychology too easily. We drive with either too much intuition, or too much data, and both of those methods have major traps. What we really need is a tool or service that manages both of those elements better. Haven't seen it yet. (I'll get working on it... ;)
- Matt Sims
Robert: You should try playing with http://www.fluther.com. You can ask and get questions over IM like Aardvark, but we also have a rich and active community, with a focus on real-time group discussions.
- Ben
Ben - Friendfeed already exists, but without the pesky questions.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: Touche. Though Fluther's real-time is more like Google Wave than FF. And you'll find the feel of the community is quite different (in part because of the question focus). But we're happy to be in such good company. :)
- Ben
ideas like vark.com have been tried before. Most died for lack of community. Same for IM based services. I dont recall any service getting significant traction just cause they had IM connectivity.
- Vivek Puri
I'm going to be contrarian here and like both Hunch, Vark and Y! Answers but don't think any of them are really independent businesses appropriate for venture capital, but could be all fine small businesses.
- Sam Pullara
I absolutely hated hunch. I had to sit through a tirade of questions that had little or no application to my actual life. They progressively made me feel like an outsider - on my own computer! My own computer in my own house - I live here! Those questions really grated and as the experience wore on became increasingly discomforting. They mostly assumed that I must live in some foreign country, and that that was the only country that could possibly apply to the entire world-wide-web. How utterly infuriating.
- Ian Tindale
@Robert, Aardvark is slick.
- Jim Oxenford
Just looking at their general information page is quite interesting. That's a clever idea - a completely different angle than machine indexing and processing.
- Justin Long
@rbonini -- it sucks that one company owns twitter -- how you got from that to google should buy twitter is a mystery
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what would google want with just another jaiku clone?
- Ian Tindale
Eyeballs, Ian, eyeballs
- David Jones
Twitter won't sell, @ev told me. He has no interest in working at a large company and is optimistic that Twitter's future value is way higher than anyone will be able to offer. IE, he has some things up his sleeve and says Twitter is going to see a ton of new groundbreaking things in next few months.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, maybe they need to focus on less fail whales before they focus on new groundbreaking things. ;)
- Joshua Schnell
Joshua: I haven't seen a fail whale in a while. Search is wonky once in a while, though.
- Robert Scoble
Is "long-term competitive advantage" over-rated? Must read. http://adjix.com/2n2e
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It worked for the dinosaurs.
- Ian Tindale
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