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New Yelp iPhone app is also out. There's a cool easter egg (Augmented Reality feature). Here's how to do it:
Andy Bakun, Kenn Ejima, Denise Howell and 92 other people liked this
Download the new Yelp app (came out yesterday). So you shake your iPhone 3 times. That activates a feature called Monocle. A message should come up if you activated it. A blue box will come up saying "the Monocle has been activated." It will create a button in the top right corner. Now you should be able to look at the bars, restaurants, etc. Only works on iPhone 3GS.
- Robert Scoble
waiting Robert.... :)
- Sampad Swain
You point it at businesses, or down the city block. I'll try it right now.
- Robert Scoble
Yep! Works. Took a few tries to get it to activate. Some of the places it shows me have been closed for ages though, guess I need to update Yelp for the area.
- Otto
That sounds so cool. Would love to see a video demo of it Robert!
- Alex Calic
I wonder why it's an easter egg. That sounds great.
- Daniel Ha
I just did it. Very cool. I hear this feature was added for me. I really love it!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Daniel: probably to get it through the iPhone store approval process faster.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Raises the question of whether they would have rejected it if they'd known about it. Or did Yelp tell the reviewers about it?
- Jan Dawson
Very, very cool! Just tried it out. There's not a lot on Yelp near by work (kind of an industrial area), but I did get it to find the nearest restaurant. So cool! :-)
- Josh Bancroft
awesome!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
as long as Yelp allows iPhone users to rate on the fly.. previously had to sync first (not smart)
- Sam Levin
can anyone grab me a screenshot of this? i want to write about it
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
I do love beating TechCrunch with news! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Yes, Mr. Scoble, you beat RWW, TechCrunch, AND Mashable! Damn.
- Ben Parr
I can't get it to work... :(
- Larry Roth
We need a Yelp for Federal, State and Local government services.
- Chris Stevenson
Too bad nobody will ever see it 'cause you mentioned it here and not on your blog ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I just posted a photo on my friendfeed account.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Installing
- Stephen Pickering
You android lovers will see that 'Layer' reality browser does the same as Monocle
- Wayne Bentz
Yelp also just launched their Palm Pre app in the Palm app store. No augmented reality that I can find :-(
- Ken Sheppardson
Yelp doesn't seem to have much support for Canadian business according to some reviews
- Alex Knight
Marshall, I just blogged a screenshot. Will be on www.tinyscreenfuls.com as soon as Posterous gets it there.
- Josh Bancroft
Stupid 3GS. You guys think you're so cool. Easter eggs, harumph! *mumble grumble*
- Sarah Lane
Yay it works in Canada too!
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Nice idea but in my case the locations seem to be about 180 degrees off - i.e. showing behind me instead of in front - but may be down to a fuzzy GPS location or something - will have to keep trying
- Jan Dawson
I wonder why it was "secret", ... undocumented API usage or just to create marketing buzz ?
- Kooleido
Kooleido: I hear it was added at last minute.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Damn, nothings happening. I've shaked it :(
- Stephen Pickering
No iPhone 3G love because no compass? Phooey. :P
- Cheryl Jones
Installed It! Works Awesome! Would definitely use it on my next lunch hunt in Downtown
- Kooleido
Got it to work--just took a little more shaking...was worried I was going to put my phone through the ceiling!
- Larry Roth
Kooleido, how'd you get it to work. I've installed and shaken, but nothings happening
- Stephen Pickering
Oh--and very cool
- Larry Roth
Stephen shake in long and hard strokes.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I hate that the iPhone 3G can handle all this new stuff, but Apple insists that you need the 3Gs. Qik on the jailbroken 3G has been awesome!
- Elijah Nicolas
@Elijah Nicolas The 3Gs is for the built in compass that is required for augmented reality to work.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
lol if it was added for you Robert it would show the cutest girls in the area instead
- Sherry Reynolds
Didn't I hear that Apple had an embargo on AR apps til next month?
- Brian O'Connell
Very cool, thanks for the info. It appears you have to be logged into Yelp though the app before the monocle option will appear.
- Patrick Looney
just posted about it http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... good job finding it first Robert!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
1st sentence typo in your post Marshall ;o)
- Alex Calic
Couldn't get it to work by "shaking it" but I got it to work by moving my iPhone up and down 3 times in a vertical motion. Pretty damn cool.
- Doug Rice
Marshall, how do you get that camera view? I can't seem to get mine to work. I've shaken and shaken
- Stephen Pickering
Well, thats slightly cool.
- Sean Oliver
Stephen, you should probably just keep shaking. In publish, with lots of people around. :) No, I don't know. I don't have a 3Gs so I don't have a compass so I don't have the Yelp AR.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Holy crap. It really works.
- David Sharpe
Unreal... landscape and portrait works.
- Drew Lucas
Check out our Yelp AR layer inside of Layar Reality Browser ... Android. http://www.GoWeb3D.com
- Dave Elchoness
Scoble, I just published on Mashable: http://mashable.com/2009...
- Ben Parr
Doh! mashable wins with the most link-baity headline again.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Putting up a video on Gear Live.
- Andru Edwards
we have video too :P
- Jennifer Van Grove
@Marshall - We still love you guys, your article's great. :D; @Robert, props. Total props.
- Ben Parr
@Robert thanks it's fun http://bsu.gr/4414782
- briansugar
I made a screenshot here: http://www.flickr.com/photos... It takes a few tries to turn on the option though!
- Daynah
posted about this on Obsessable and my blog. We'll see if Techmeme grabs it and actually puts this FriendFeed thread first, or if they just ignore it until TechCrunch covers it lolz http://www.obsessable.com/news... & http://www.sampletheweb.com/2009...
- C. K. Sample III
ah Marshall got it up first on a notable blog... http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- C. K. Sample III
I got it to work and man, is it sweet! So smart.
- Leslie Fishlock
Shake the darn thing 3 times :)- they say that break dancin was learnt , robbing hubcaps of a movin car in NYC.. so lets so what the new thing will be by the time th iphone has all the motion sickness activiated apps !!
- Peter Dawson
just got word of a THIRD app with AR live in iTunes store! http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... I'd say it's official: AR apps have come to the iPhone!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
I already had 2.0.2, but I'm downloading 3.0 now. I'm not thinking it's going to work in my office, but we'll see.
- RobinDotNet
Ok, that's really cool. It even works sitting here in my office at home.
- RobinDotNet
Downloading now. I am absolutely fascinated by the idea of augmented reality!
- Victoria Harres
This is pretty cool but the shake 3 times thing doesn't work too well
- Jason Wehmhoener
from iPhone
This is fantastic, just activated Monocle. For those having trouble, its best to move/raise and lower the iPhone 3 times vertically instead of just shaking it. I was shaking mine like a madman until I tried the vertical move.
- Bryan
[Video] Yelp iPhone Augmented Reality Application http://blip.tv/file/2524950
- Steve Garfield
very cool - I can't believe stuff actually shows up near my house on the bay - sweet :)
- Susan Beebe
Damn, guess I'll have to upgrade to the 3GS now.
- Damon Cortesi
I am using the app in Indianapolis to find a restauant. As I guessed the augmented reality is cool but not very useful. Other than to help figure out which direction to walk in.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Argh. I wish I had wifi here so I could download it. A trip to Starbucks might be in order.
- Ha3rvey #teamMonique
killer in nyc
- mike "glemak" dunn
from iPhone
dang it - iPhone 3G...
- Jodi
iPhone 3G... not in the States... meh
- Johnny
It's innovative and that's awesome, but I think this type of interface will be a passing gimmick until more advanced image processing is built into the mobile device. My thoughts on what does matter about it here - http://bit.ly/12wtcY My $0.02.
- Alex Hawkinson
shake your iPhone 6 times, that activates GoogleVoice
- HansVanRock
Pretty damn cool. Thanks for the heads up
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
I just got this going on my friend's 3Gs. I don't even know what to say. That is freaking incredible! Makes me want a 3Gs *just* for that feature!
- Michael Lynton
Just tried this. Awesome! Too bad I'm in a po' dunk town with nothing to do. :)
- BRҰANSAҰS
Amazing, how on earth did you find it! It's still 6:00 am, perhaps I'll Yelp for breakfast
- Nalin Perera
Wow, I'll have to say this is phenomenal. Wish I'd had this on my trip to D.C. a couple weeks ago. Yelp just made an incredibly useful app even more useful. I've seen a lot of developers working on this technology lately but it looks like they beat everyone to the punch.
- Mike Elliott
screen capture of it in action http://twitpic.com/fklr4
- mike "glemak" dunn
I just got the yelp AR to work, and I am staying tonight in a hotel, so I went to my window, and held the camera to the window and it was able to show me reviews of the businesses right across the street from me! I am in love with yelp all over again!
- Colide81 (James)
Can't get it to work! Shook long and hard!
- UniqNYC aka Jeff
from iPhone
This youtube video should help you learn how to get it Islandwoo, I think its in how you shake it, I tryed several ways but after I watched this video I did it like the guy in the video and it worked. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Colide81 (James)
Yeah, you've got to learn to shake it just right! :-)
- Nalin Perera
If You Think RSS is Dead Then That’s Your Loss and It’s a Big One - http://marshallk.com/if-you-...
Barak Hachamov, Sasha Kovaliov, Chris Nixon and 8 other people liked this
I'm with him on that one... also getting tired of the "bla is dead" line - wish people would find another cliche to bait linking... It's a protocol, it was never alive in the first place, and it wont die either
- Iphigenie
spot on
- Deleted
I don't agree with those who roll RSS out.. it wont and it isn't and it is here to stay for a long time to come. Perhaps it's not as important but it still has its value
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
Didn't Atom pretty much kill RSS?
- Vezquex
nope
- Iphigenie
I think it's inappropriate to distinguish RSS and Atom. It's just different standards. Right?
- Sasha Kovaliov
I am discussing my Twitter favorites experiment with @ericleebow and others here:
Kol Tregaskes, Oguz Serdar, Chris Nixon and 5 other people liked this
I read 2,300 Twitter accounts and I was picking the best Tweets out of that stream and clicking favorite. http://twitter.com/scoblei... is where they are. I can't keep doing that. Not enough engagement. At least not on Twitter. I wonder if there is any value and if so what vehicle should it take?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Does spelling count?
- Eric
Tweeted this earlier: Sorry about the work but I wouldn't look into those favorites as well. Maybe feed them back to your stream with a slow interval?
- Patrick Mackaaij
What topics are not permitted?
- Eric
Robert, I appreciate the links but wish you'd spend the time blogging. :-)
- Brett Nordquist
I know they're a lot of work to maintain, but it's an awesome browser start page
- erik yuzwa
Does the tweet have to be unique?
- Eric
I miss the frequency of blogs you write while at MSFT.
- Brett Nordquist
Robert, you're not building value for yourself, for your own Google juice, and you're not providing a discussion forum. Re-blog a handful every day -- or even better, just 5 -- with their own permalink. Tell us why we should care rather than just hit the "favourite" button.
- Boris Mann
Eric: I really can't explain it. I looked at thousands of tweet and like the best ones.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Wouldn't it be nice of you could give us reasons?
- Eric
Robert - what was the expected outcome of the experiment, specifically?
- Brett Kelly
You should come up with a short hand code O+ = Originality
- Eric
@Boris: I would RT like that but with thousands of tweets...?
- Patrick Mackaaij
I + = Interesting
- Eric
Brett: good point. I just notice that on these things everyone talks but very few are trying to curate.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
What're you looking for Robert? People to reply back and tell you that they love your favorites or are you just checking how many people are clicking on the links you look at? Also, why does it matter if there's "engagement"? Is this experiment about you doing what you find valuable for yourself or others?
- Robi
Twitter favorites are less useful than Google Reader shares and FriendFeed likes. And all of that is less interesting than your high quality blogging.
- Louis Gray
S + = Sponsored
- Eric
Each of my "shares" on Reader I give a short comment http://www.google.com/reader... -- I enjoy the MicroPlaza from my friends - http://microplaza.com <-- have you tried it?
- Boris Mann
Robert: On second thoughts, it may become useful when Twitter develops an in-built RT utility. It become easier for your followers to select one of your favorites and RT it. Otherwise, there's a lot of copy-paste to do.
- K N Ajit Narayan
Boris: Google Juice? That doesn't matter to me much. But your advice is good.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Does anyone know about sponsoring tweets?
- Eric
Favorites would be a lot more fun if "fave-ing" sent an e-mail to the person who created the Tweet. That's how it works on identi.ca, it's kind of like a dm.
- Brian Hendrickson
I'm wondering if tweets can really be monetized, it just seems too esoteric.
- Eric
If I write lots of posts / links about a particular topic, then people find it through searching and the commentary continues to grow -- e.g. I rank highly for (trivial example) "ninja school" and there are hundreds of hilarious comments -- the continuing commentary is great
- Boris Mann
Brett: I didn't have an outcome just wanted to see if I could make something interesting.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert's blogging > Robert's Friendfeed > Robert's Google Reader > Robert's Favorites. Then again, your favorites are my starting point. It's how I prefer to get your pulse.
- Paul Papadimitriou
Robert...perhaps sorting your recent Twitter faves by number of other users who faved them to create a more multi-user crowd-curated feed would be better. I think that's what this page at Favstar is trying to do but seems to be a few hours behind http://favstar.fm/users...
- Mark Krynsky
people should be able to choose between subscribing to a Tweep, or to that Tweep's favorites feed...is that possible now?
- .LAG liked that
Robert, I dont care what someone has favorited on twitter, even though it is you and the ones I have seen are amazing. I use favoriting as a storage vessel that I can look back on tweets that picqued my interest. I retweet when I find something I want people to see.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Eric: I don't like sponsored tweets.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Good, I think it's a gimmick somewhat...
- Eric
The two best use cases I've seen for starring tweets are favrd.com and marking things that you'd personally like to revisit.
- Brett Kelly
Jimminy: retweeting sucks. I will try this experiment again when they ship new retweeting features.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert: I believe that sponsored tweets are too hard for anyone to grasp. Even someone like yourself with lots of followers even agrees.
- Eric
RT is the most overrated and underdeveloped feature on Twitter.
- Eric
i for one am learning from your twitter favorites and feel like it's an underused asset to twitter. Not everything needs to be retweeted.
- ann glenn
Is there any way to see more than the first page? I can't get twitter to load the next page of them.
- RobinDotNet
Maybe you could use your posterous to reblog a few interesting entries a day. Light blogging. In between retweets/favorites and full-fledged blogging.
- Paul Papadimitriou
why use posterous when you can just hit the fav button and see a nice list?
- ann glenn
Robert, did you import the Favorite feed into FF, I seem to recall this but I'm not sure.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Who needs to RT if there are favorites? I think there is just a certain psychology or status that people feel by RT. They do it to gain acceptance.
- Eric
Retweeting is only off-putting because of the crude manner with which it's executed (clicking "retweet", then "post"). The idea of sharing information with your own audience is fundamentally good, but people have missed that there needs to be added context, value or both when you perform such an action.
- Brett Kelly
RT is a habit.
- Eric
Jimminy: yes. My faves are pulled in here at http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
an *encouraged* habit
- erik yuzwa
eric - very true - we all know kennedy is dead at this point. no need to retweet it. (as example)
- ann glenn
For a brand on Twitter, marking positive feedback as favorites can be quite helpful. We did this for twihotels, http://twitter.com/twihote....
- K N Ajit Narayan
Yeah, there needs to be an artificial intelligence bot that tells people something. "Sorry, but this has been retweeted too many times!"
- Eric
RT is useful - if the person really embodies what I want to say, or I want to share THEIR phrasing, it's a straight RT - otherwise I'll read the original link and say what I want to say, perhaps with a "via"
- Boris Mann
Robert: What do you think of limiting the amount of times something can be RT?
- Eric
there is no real feedback when someone fav's one of your tweets. Flickr let's you know when it happen.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
For those that asked...yes there is a way to get a users Twitter favorites as an RSS feed. Here's Robert's http://twitter.com/favorit...
- Mark Krynsky
Also wouldn't it be possible for you to stream it into FF and back out into a @scobleizerfavorite twitter account? Maybe using Yahoo Pipes?
- Jimminy IS Everybody
I favorite things on twitter for 2 reasons: to make it easier to find again later , and to share on other services. I do both through the rss feed of favorites, in google reader and other readers (for archiving) and here in friendfeed Ifor sharing, and yes, they do get likes so it does share someone's tweet to people who dont know that person). I find it less obtrusive than RT in many cases
- Iphigenie
What's the Guinness World Record for RT?
- Eric
Eric: I have to see how that works before I form an opinion.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
boris - yes i agree retweeting is good when you have something to add to the story, but if not, you should just favorite and bookmark.
- ann glenn
Wouldn't it be cool to have your favorites on a spindle or projected with a laser beam on your wall or something?
- Eric
Scoble's favorites on the billboard at Times Square!
- erik yuzwa
Times Square in LED lights :)
- Eric
Now, that would be a sponsored tweet!
- Eric
I wonder if people would be trying to "click" them with their finger though...
- erik yuzwa
Think about it this way, if Robert Scoble's favorites are really that great, then all you would need to follow would be one person, Robert Scoble. Let him do the work for you.
- Eric
(no pressure)
- erik yuzwa
It makes sense when you think about it. Rather than RT 10 a day, you've got one tweet a day of your favorites coming from an authority on technology news.
- Eric
There's just too much clutter to weed through.
- Eric
Favorites have no context. Robert, if you retweet the same link to your favourites daily, we lose all context. RT more good favourites here vs. Blog post: lots of good links to the "blogs are back" discussion -- the latter is tons more valuable
- Boris Mann
I believe there is a blog that does something similar to what Robert Scoble does.
- Eric
There was a blog, it no longer exists.
- Eric
Robert Scoble replaced them.
- Eric
Actually one still exists, Techfuga seems to be defunct, yet TechNewsFetcher is still up http://www.technewsfetcher.com
- Eric
Twitter w/o structure is like watching the tagcloud go by on del.icio.us. Favorites gives it some structure, but to what end? Interesting discoveries. But not purpose-driven. It's like del.icio.us needed the virality and spontaneity of twitter or twitter needs to organization of del.icio.us. SU is probably the closest thing to twitter + del.icio.us
- Michael
If you want to keep knowledge stored use the blog. Twitter is for here and now discusions. I can't figure out what favorites are for. So I don't use them...
- Nisse
Robert: Do you have any interest in this site? http://www.technewsfetcher.com
- Eric
Tim: I am interested.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
If you could get anyone on your side or your service's side in tech, it would be Robert Scoble.
- Eric
Eric: I will check that out.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
http://www.technewsfetcher.com it's like one of those things I wonder about, and does it complement or negate Google Reader?
- Eric
Sometimes knowing about too many tools related to news makes it hard to really get news! I have so many ways to get news nowadays!
- Eric
Thanks Ahad...but I think having Tim work with Robert to get some feedback and implement some better features might be the start of a winning solution. I might have to help out on that solution as well.
- Mark Krynsky
I rarely use Twitter's "favorite" function. I've favorited only 3 tweets, and all of them were really interesting takes on Chris Pirillo's #stpuid hashtag, which I and others tried to trend. I might subscribe to Robert's favorites feed in Google Reader, though... ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
Do more people RT or use favorites?
- Eric
Have you "liked" a tweet here on FF? Well then you use Favorites more than you think :)
- Mark Krynsky
Does anyone think RT is just a fad?
- Eric
RT is just a way to broadcast your favorites because nobody is looking at them. I do however sometimes add context at the end of them to let people know _why_ I favorited it.
- Mark Krynsky
Does anyone use Plurk? Just wondering, because it seems to be less talked about.
- Eric
"Like" on FF is definitely more useful than "Favorite" on Twitter. As for RT: it's the accepted way to spread the news on Twitter. Some people (like me) like to add a little comment to their retweets, but the new RT API doesn't allow that.
- Dennis Jernberg
Eric: I have an account on Plurk but just can't stand the UI.
- Robert Scoble
Dennis... agreed that likes on FF are more useful than favorites on Twitter. I think the point is to find a way to have the same value by using the functionality built on Twitter allowing users to do so natively within the service. A 3rd party app like Favstar.fm could provide that functionality if enough people buy into the behavior of using Twitter to favorite tweets by experiencing the value of doing so.
- Mark Krynsky
I retweet others, and am retweeted in turn. I don't have many original tweets (mostly retweets and conversations), so I'm not retweeted all that much. (No, I don't use Plurk. Might check it out eventually...)
- Dennis Jernberg
Ahad...for the record I'm not affiliated with Favstar...I just think it's a great service :)
- Mark Krynsky
something else to think about. As a brand its more valuable to see the retweets because i can't see the number of favs publicly (unlike tumblr). Would love to see both. also, retweets gives me exposure to people i may not otherwise have access to.
- ann glenn
Checked out Favstar, and noticed that @sween and @badbanana are popular precisely because of their outrageous tweets. Saw a bunch of tweets @Scobleizer favorited, Only 5 tweets of mine were favorited. Like I said, I've favorited only 3 tweets, and they're the best ones from the failed attempt to trend #stpuid.
- Dennis Jernberg
Robert, all the best conversations seem to start while I'm putting the kids to bed and tidying up. In an hour or so I'll be able to get started. I'll ping you on gtalk/Jabber once I have the updates occurring and we can chat about other potential tweaks. (Mark - I'm interested in your feedback too - I trust you saw my email address above, and you can always DM me on twitter.)
- Tim
Tim, cool, I'm at scobleizer@gmail.com and operators are standing by! :-)
- Robert Scoble
How do you like this e-mail signature? Every employee. Every e-mail. Think this company gets social media?
dennisfa, Dave Q, Amir and 109 other people liked this
Disclaimer: Emulex is a client of Paladin Advisors Group, where I am GM of New Media (or whatever title I have these days)
- Louis Gray
All those links in every e-mail are clickable, by the way. The B is for the main blog page.
- Louis Gray
what's the last logo? oh... heh.
- Jim #TeamMonique
You can see all these logos on their Web site in the bottom right corner as well: http://www.emulex.com/
- Louis Gray
Pea, I think that depends on the user's Outlook settings. It is optional.
- Louis Gray
Oh if only Gmail allowed some HTMLy signatures! :(
- travispuk
GMail receives the sig just fine. Tested there and .Mac and Outlook.
- Louis Gray
So in other words, they don't "get" e-mail? :)
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
If I saw an email signature like this, I'd click on all of the links just to see how active they are. Some people have all these accounts but aren't active, so what's the point? But of course this doesn't apply to you Louis. I'm just saying in general.
- Violet Mae Lim
Violet, these are active. I promise. :)
- Louis Gray
If that company were REALLY into Social Media, it would have just one link, to your Google Profile: http://www.google.com/profile... ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, why show favoritism to Google? There's little actual social happening there so far.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Logical: I'm just having some fun with Louis. I personally hate tons of icons on things. So complicated. How do I pick? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
At some point, will you discuss the Paladin Advisor's Group more fully?
- DGentry
Louis: Looks nice! Looks better than my typical signature where I just have a link to my website and then a link to http://www.travishartwell.net/blog... that lists on my online accounts.
- Travis B. Hartwell
Robert has a free pass to tease or criticize anything I do. It's 100% fair game. I think Google Profiles aren't known well for folks to click through to yet. That said, Robert, bring it on. Here's the company's profile: http://www.google.com/profile...
- Louis Gray
And DGentry, yes, we can talk about Paladin soon. Promise.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I'm curious about the rationale for putting the Twitter link above the company website in the Google Profile?
- Tinfoil 2.0
LE: None. That's been fixed. :) Probably not thinking too much about it.
- Louis Gray
Logical: Twitter is the new website.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, now I know you're joking!
- Tinfoil 2.0
Logical: actually I was joking about the Google Profile thing, not kidding about the Twitter thing.
- Robert Scoble
Robert... after all you've said about Twitter and the fragility of SNS relative to your own brand?
- Tinfoil 2.0
Yeah, but where's your email address? LOL
- David Libby
Didn't you hear....E-Mail is Dead!
- Owen Greaves
you can do html in gmail, with a firefox plugin Blank Canvas http://blankcanvasweb.com/pages...
- Robert Higgins
Yes, e-mail is dead. It is also required in order to create an account on how many Web sites!?! I think I was required to link my OpenID account to an e-mail address. So much for Identitiy 2.0....
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Looks sharp imho.
- Rob Schieber
what, no My Space link?
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
Louis - I like the links on the home page, but EVERY employee gets that? I can tell you that lots of storage people are going to be scared by all of the "interwebs" stuff. I <3 the Emulex guys and know they're trying to update their image, but I'd think that most of them have bigger issues that learning to explain what FriendFeed and SlideShare are when people look at them funny.
- Stuart Miniman
Stu, I think I should use the word "optional". It's optional to everyone and every e-mail. And it's fine if some conservative industries aren't ready yet. It's time to shake it up.
- Louis Gray
Is it using Wisestamp? Very nice. FYI - Wisestamp is free, works w/ Gmail, Posterous, even the links.
- Liza + = ?
It's a bit much
- Rodfather
The nice thing about Wisestamp is you can delete the icons in gmail, if it is going to someone who you think has no idea what Slideshare is. Otherwise, wd be a pain.
- Liza + = ?
Yeah, I like simple signatures.
- Andrew C (✓)
All the hyperlinks scream I'm spam & it will likely be treated as such by many mail programs.
- Rick Frank
Rick, very good feedback. It will be considered.
- Louis Gray
Too much. Too busy. I'd get rid of the office line, the link to lousgray.com, and definitely the emulex logo. Anyway that's just my opinion :)
- Eric Florenzano
They get it better than I do. I have to admit, I do not recognize all of those icons as they do!
- Randy Rambo
check out http://www.socialmediav.com they have a killer signature widget, both for personal and corporate brands! :)
- sera aktüre
Office and mobile phone? You need Google voice. I was able to get a cool number, (areacode) 4 Julio F
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Just a simple link to a homepage should be enough, small description about what you do, and phone numbers if you're into that kind of thing.
- Peter Stuifzand
Too many links in an email signature can cause the email to be flagged as spam. you need to test it out before using it. never can be 100% certain...
- Mike Nencetti
Are those custom icons, or something pulled from the web?
- Spencer
yes but what's it mean? More is not bettter.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Personally, it seems way too cluttered to me. I would rather just have a link to a page on the company's website that lists all of their various connections. I'm almost as jaded to those icons as I am to banner ads. If I want to know about the company I will be looking at their website first, then their blog, then whatever other services interest me, but I'll always go to their website first. If that's not impressive then it doesn't really matter what they're doing in other spaces.
- Lindsay
Looks good to me. Simple. IMO, I would (1) bump name size +2 pts (2) maybe italicize title or choose different font, so it will jump out at you, but not as much as name (3) remove "www." from website. (4) I haven't seen this in real-life to look at overall point sizes. Often people's business cards need ALL pts sizes +2 to +4. As my 72-yr old Dad always reminds me, older people can't...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Simple and To The Point!!! The Purple " B" Logo...What Brand is That???
- @CtrlFollow
I had same question - never seen it!
- Susan Beebe
@louis - how'd you create a company google profile?
- andy brudtkuhl
Andy, A Google profile is just assigned to a GMail account. So if you create a centralized GMail account, you can make a company profile. This one, for example, is emulexinc@gmail.com. More on the strategy here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
I think if they are all business related and it is for marketing- why not. There is another app nomee.com that does a card also. It is flash based so won't work on the iphone
- Kathleen Cercone
The Social Media Boom: Jeremiah Owyang - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Great interview Sarah - and I agree with your *shock* at the early hour research that Jeremiah is doing
- Stuart Miniman
You gotta stay ahead.
- Jeremiah Owyang
@Jeremiah - something in the water out there on the west coast. Did you get to try breakfast at Bouchon at the Venetian?
- Stuart Miniman
I've been there before Stuart, great place!
- Jeremiah Owyang
Dearest Friendfeed, I'm so glad you're back. Please don't go away again. your friend, Joey.
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I just followed a bunch of my Twitter friends here on friendfeed. Welcome! Geeks, please say hi. How did I do that? See here:
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I used the "Find/Invite" friends new features at http://friendfeed.com/friends...
- Robert Scoble
Hi Mr Hulk!
- Russell
I have a folder called "twitter" because I've found Tweets usually are noiser than other data types, so I imported you all into that folder.
- Robert Scoble
Hi
- Erik Knorr
As people show they bring tons of good stuff instead of just telling me what they had for lunch I move them over to my home feed. If they are really high value I move them over to my "Tech News Makers" list.
- Robert Scoble
I initially did this, but got shot of most of them because I'm finding it better to use FriendFeed to interact with FriendFeeders, not people who have just imported a bunch of services and then never ever come back.
- Jalada
Hi
- Tim Levad
Hi Erik.
- Robert Scoble
Hi. If someone knows you do... what's silver bullet to keeping up to date on all the sites I'm on now?
- Blair Klein
Jalada: the trick is to import them into a separate folder. Do NOT add them to your home folder, or you'll be sorry.
- Robert Scoble
Nice to connect with all my Twitter folks on friendfeed, thanks for the follow Robert.
- Abhimanyu Chirimar
Hey!
- robertocastro
Blair: my feed on friendfeed has ALL of the things I do on the Internet.
- Robert Scoble
I also imported all my contacts that I had in Gmail. The quality of info on those items is much higher to me than the ones I imported from Twitter for some reason. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Hi
- Marga van Rijssel
Hello there good sir!
- Cameron Battagler
Robert: instead of doing that, I hid tweets that didn't have likes / comments. Still didn't like it; too many people have signed up for Twitter and then never come back. I'm finding FriendFeed more useful for the discussion it encourages. But there's more than one way to do it of course :P
- Jalada
See where?
- Lloyd Budd
hi!
- Lorenzo Strambi
Cool! Hi!
- e Man
hi Robert!
- Sunshine
Robert: it's awesome that you continue to make yourself accessible like this! I wish more journalists and public figures would do this (as well as companies, CEOs etc). I'm sure the temptation is to become more closed off the more popular you get, cheers to you for fighting that.
- Justin Laing
hi Robert! kudos for the accesibility...any plans to make it over to Italy...
- Nazim Beltran
thanks for showing us how to do this! I was wondering :)
- Kirsten Wright
Nazim: not soon, sorry. Would love to get there.
- Robert Scoble
Sunshine: you need to add some feeds to your account! Welcome.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I like the way you're redirecting discussions from Twitter to FriendFeed. I recently joined Twitter, I avoided it for a long time as I thought it was too much "what I had for lunch" focused, as you say. After joining, I think I was correct. Some decent tidbits of info get communicated, but Twitter tweets make it hard to carry on discussions. I'm considering following your model...
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- Jeff Sayre
A tutorial with visuals is here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
Hi Robert, it is always good to see how you add value to networks!
- jacky
I've always wondered what filter or folder I lived in under Scoble's Friendfeed :P
- Mike Lewis
Ever think about giving another live session on how to use FriendFeed? I am sure you have tons of insight to share! :)
- Altan Khendup
Neal Jansons, you also have the option of trying a userscript (friendfeedFilterByService, which I wrote) that can filter out Twitter or whatever list of services you define: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... (just turn the script off to see tweets again). At this point, settings are currently manipulated in the "Configuration" section of the script, which is definitely geeky, but just ask if you need help.
- Micah
re finding twitter friends on FF and tweets pointing to conversations on FF...Did the same a few weeks ago. Found a lot of twitter followers who are also here on FF. Great way to stay in touch across the two networks. I am also seeing how the two work together. For example, last night, a person I follow on twitter said in a tweet, "great conversation going on on FF about twitter desktop...
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- Mike Lizun
I hide all my Twitter stuff off of the front page, and have a Saved Search for Twitter from Friends and Groups.
- Kreg Steppe
You're welcome, Mr Jansons.
- Micah
From one Robert to another, thanks for taking the time to follow :)
- Robert Svihla
Wow..I may actually start using FriendFeed if they keep adding super easy integration of other social spaces...Any chance of a LinkedIN integration?
- Danny Keith
Yea. Even I have a group called twiiter; which I hardly pay attention to. I am glad I dint end up in your twitter folder. ;)
- Lakshman Prasad
I wish they could do this for Flickr.
- Thomas Hawk
Alcarcalimo: every day for the past year people have been asking that. They asked that back when 500 people were following me. Now 35,000 are. I wonder when people will stop asking that?
- Robert Scoble
ciao :-)
- wolly
But you followed me from FB not twitter :-)
- wolly
Hello!
- Doug Millison
HI
- Ahmed Ramy Zaky
Hi
- Brian Hendrickson
Hiya and Aloha
- Matt Kramer
I did that a few days ago, it's easy :o)
- David Gross
Gee, that was quick and easy. Tonnes of people sourced from Twitter and a relatively trivial amount sourced from Facebook. What gives?
- Andrew Long
Andrew: on Facebook we are limited to 5,000 friends, on Twitter we can have lots more so the numbers will be bigger.
- Robert Scoble
Ah, so that's why so many people are subscribing to my FriendFeed all of a sudden!
- Leslie Carbone
What's the story with your avatar image? Did someone make you angry?
- Lenny
I joined Twitter quite awhile ago...to follow tech people I enjoy mainly. Then I tried Facebook, but much too static, boring, etc. Then after reading tweets about FriendFeed, decided to give it a try and I love it. I find out so many things from FF and love all the interaction. I don't really have a lot of followers which is not necessary because my "lurking" has really paid off!
- Bonnie Foster
Maybe I'm missing something but haven't you always, if at least for the last couple months, been able to add their twitter friends on here?
- Jason Williams
hmmm....don't recall getting your following notification Robert. There must be a problem...
- Paul Fabretti
Of my 5,000 friends on Facebook about 2,000 are already on friendfeed. Early adopters unite! :-)
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The patience and perseverance of the friendfeed team will pay off. No doubt about that.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Glad to hear it. Don't have a Facebook acct, don't want to get one =)
- Andrew Leahey
@Robert: Solid! What % of your followers from Twitter are also here?
- David Damore
Of my 3K+ on twitter about 1300 are on friendfeed. Crazy!
- Antonio Altamirano
David: not sure. I'm following more than 90,000 and I think I only have about 17,000 here from Twitter. Twitter is a lot less early adopter audience at this point. I filled up my Facebook very early on so the percentage is higher there.
- Robert Scoble
Believe it was about 30% [Twitter folks here] for me as well... follow just under 1,100... so that would be about 330 peeps.
- David Damore
@Robert: Thanks for checking.
- David Damore
Looks like FriendFeed is growing a lot this week, specifically, too.
- Jennifer Mitchell
Yeah, all of a sudden the number of people subscribing to my FriendFeed, uh, feed has really shot up. The mainstream cometh.
- Darren Barefoot
I don't know... I still can't figure out the best way to use FriendFeed. Scoble have you made a video about it? :P
- kk+
Still having a hard time getting into FF, but I'm getting more into it everyday
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Well, you know how we do when we do what we do.
- Eric - seven eleven
I thought we were all united :)
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Of my Twitter followers who are here on Friendfeed the vast majority appear to have only signed up to Friendfeed (possibly to snatch their preferred username,) never to actually have liked/commented.
- Mark H
http://ff.im/2EjJE first time on FriendFeed that I had a discussion with several Dutchmen - might be a trend!
- Jeroen De Miranda
Would you adopt me too, Robert?
- Phil Boiarski
Phil: heheh.
- Robert Scoble
kk: I'll make a video this afternoon about it.
- Robert Scoble
Looking forward to the video
- Steven Horner
from Nambu
Funny you should mention that. Lately I have seen a surge of people joining or returning to FriendFeed. I think Twitter may be losing some luster, I for one am sick of hearing about it.
- Scott Radcliff
Still trying to figure out how to leverage FriendFeed. Need a "how to" video or something I think.
- Elaine Young, Ph.D
Glad to follow you here. As long as great blogs posted, I am more than happy to follow.
- Henry W. Lu
Looking to put together a social media informal group to look at social media tech products ..any interest from SM guru at companies..em ...
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#lifetip: Only worry about what you can control. Don't stress over the actions of others. focus.
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no hobo signs?
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
<3 it.
- Yolanda
Ning’s Social Networks Get Their Own App Platform - http://mashable.com/2009...
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I suppose when it is cool to have lots of subscribers on FF then we will see many more people using it. ;)
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Watching: "We Didn't Start the Flame War" (video parody of internet comments...strong language) - http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1...
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Facebook’s “In-House Sociologist” Shares Stats on Users’ Social Behavior - http://www.insidefacebook.com/2009...
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"In other words, Facebook users comment on stuff from only about 5-7% of their Facebook friends. And as has been shown by many other studies, women communicate with more people in all cases than men. “People who are members of online social networks are not so much ‘networking’ as they are ‘broadcasting their lives to an outer tier of acquaintances who aren’t necessarily inside the Dunbar circle,’” Lee Rainie, the director of the Pew Internet & American Life Project, says."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
then again, I comment on stuff from only about 0% of my Facebook friends, because, well, Facebook is pretty boring.
- Thomas Hawk
likewise.
- Parth Awasthi
@Thomas: +3. The only reason I go there is when one of my High School friends finds me there.
- AJ Kohn
I'm doing something wrong or I'm really unpopular, 120 "friends" or 500 "friends", who are these people?
- Ace
Interesting stats. I do have to work on those 10 friends, I am not quite talkative.
- Carlos Lorenzo
every now and again it sort of freaks me out when I log on to facebook and some random person tries to chat with me. I don't want that. I have AIM and Yahoo Messenger for that.
- Thomas Hawk
Memo to Web sociologists: Dunbar Number is meaningless online. It is a measure of physical interaction in the RW, limited by time and transportation, not mental abilities of humans. Online, we can have multiples of Dunbar numbers simultaneously.
- Bora Zivkovic
That is incorrect: "Dunbar's number was first proposed by British anthropologist Robin Dunbar, who theorized that "this limit is a direct function of relative neocortex size, and that this in turn limits group size ... the limit imposed by neocortical processing capacity is simply on the number of individuals with whom a stable inter-personal relationship can be maintained.""
- coldbrew
Dunbar was dead wrong - the limitations are not cognitive,
- Bora Zivkovic
It was and is a theory, and it didn't ever cite a specific number. Your original statement was that it was based on real world interactions when, in fact, it was based on "neocortical processing capacity."
- coldbrew
The Memo was to sociologists, not to Dunbar himself, because it is them who took it and ran away with it, assigning it a number and not realizing that limitations are physical, not cognitive. They fell in love with the idea, without critically engaging with it. I am glad that I know Communications profs who have realized this and teach about Dunbar Number correctly in the context of the Web.
- Bora Zivkovic
or: "Facebook’s “In-House Sociologist” Shares Stats on Boring People's Behavior" ;)
- Meryn Stol
From the post, it was unclear whether the communications were measured for all time, or just within a particular period (i.e. the last six months). I just joined Facebook Thursday morning, so my comment ratio is pretty high.
- Ontario Emperor
So you could probably handle 300,000 personal relationships because cognition isn't an issue?
- coldbrew
It is to be seen what the cognitive limits are. Online, one can swiftly move from one social circle to another. A lot of it does not even require 1-to-1: I check quickly what everyone is broadcasting, and I hope many of them quickly scan what I am broadcasting. I may get into 1-to-1 with one or several of them in the morning, and a totally different group in the afternoon.
- Bora Zivkovic
About 90% of the people in the world - and this includes the highly mobile USA - are born, live and die in one place, often in the same house, rarely or never traveling more than 100 miles from their birthplace. They build their social network in RL - and that is about 150 people.
- Bora Zivkovic
Online, one can have multiples of social groups. Last week in NYC, I met and had a grand time with my "NYC social circle", all initially discovered online, although I may not be in daily contact with any one of them. One's social groups go in and out of one's attention all the time. We go through phases several times a day.
- Bora Zivkovic
And I do not consider my NYC friends any lesser than friends I have at home where I live. I know some people from online interactions MUCH better, in greater depth and detail of mutual understanding, than my next-door neighbors, in-laws or the person I worked with for a year in 2001.
- Bora Zivkovic
I'm having trouble rectifying two statements you've made: 1) "the limitations are not cognitive" 2) "It is to be seen what the cognitive limits are."
- coldbrew
Dunbar Number, used by sociologists to be around 150 is not the cognitive limit. Cognitive limit will be larger, much larger. It exists, but we did not get there (i.e., determining/measuring it) yet. Ask Scoble - he may be close ;-)
- Bora Zivkovic
"Dunbar's number is a theoretical cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships...No precise value has been proposed for Dunbar's number, but a commonly cited approximation is 150."
- coldbrew
Another problem is temporal. In the example of the usual people who never travel, their social circle is pretty static throughout their lives. But for people like us, it can be quite dynamic. You engage intensively with a group for a while, then move on, then come back to the same group 20 years later, etc. So, there is now a temporal dynamic on top of spatial and we need to agree on what the definitions are (e.g., time-frame of one's Number).
- Bora Zivkovic
I agree with that, and I believe the number will differ among people substantially; but there will always be an average. I don't think you'll find an argument from anyone that digital communications removes the barriers to interact with greater numbers of people, but one's Dunbar number depends on whether a few simple interactions constitutes a "stable social relationship." [EDIT: removed pronoun for clarity ]
- coldbrew
I agree we need to have a good definition of the terms "stable", "social" and "relationship". I am now brewing a blog post about this - thank you ;-)
- Bora Zivkovic
That sounds like a good idea. This can be quite an academic discussion, and somewhat distant from my formal education (hm, I wonder if you could draw parallels to molecular interactions? Some proteins are comprised of thousands of atoms.). I'll be sure to read your take.
- coldbrew
Social media is really great for increasing one's "loose ties". It doesn't have to be merely broadcast. You can engage with people when they're doing something what interests you.
- Meryn Stol
http://friendfeed.com/e... "What mainly goes up, therefore, is not the core network but the number of casual contacts that people track more passively. This corroborates Dr Marsden’s ideas about core networks, since even those Facebook users with the most friends communicate only with a relatively small...
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- NoahDavidSimon
I really don't see significant difference here between gender. I would of thought it would be higher. ...no I really do think it would be higher.. these numbers are quite misleading. the intimacy in the contacts are quite different in a number spread between genders. women are more apt to have more semi intimate friends and males are more likely to have more very intimate friends. and...
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- NoahDavidSimon
tag: Dunbar
- Bora Zivkovic
I think FB missed a bet to turn off user comments on a whole host of things. When users post status updates to their own wall, any of their friends can comment. When anyone else writes on a given user's wall, no one can comment on those posts. Stupid decision.
- Andrew C (✓)
Woot, and today I see comments on wall messages are back.
- Andrew C (✓)
Tonight we're reading that FriendFeed is in danger of being a cool site nobody uses. But my full e-mail box, and your activity, tell me different.
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Oh my god. Crazy.
- Brandon Titus
wow.
- Nathan Chase
I've been noticing the same. Also, old posts are coming back from the dead that I thought were long-gone. People are also visiting my FriendFeed howto posts on my blog, which haven't been visited in ages.
- Jesse Stay
Brandon, I'd have shown more but my monitor is only so high. :)
- Louis Gray
Could it be the "shiny thing" effect?
- Winston Teo
Nice post Louis
- Shane Pearson
I wish my real friends used friendfeed, but they don't... they're just starting to catch on to twitter; maybe in another year or so :)
- Frankie Warren
I'm with you Frankie. I've never met a single person on FriendFeed IRL, but I love it anyway - maybe more because of it.
- Dennis O'Neil
agreed with Zee. only time will tell. one good example is plurk. but i'm pretty sure friendfeed is here to stay for a very long time.
- Gerald Neo
Wow, @louisgray has taken over the FriendFeed Beta.
- Mike Reynolds
My friends are even more behind. They don't use Twitter, just Myspace and maybe Facebook.
- Araceli
Louis: While mine was not quite that full ;) I did have a lot of those message in min as well today. I'm glad to see it too. It's absolutely fantastic to have the more in-depth conversations that FF allows for.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Zee: how are you posting via IM? is that the gtalk bot?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The only reason I'm here is that I saw this on Facebook. FF just doesn't do it for me.
- Howard Greenstein
Anyway, with the new FriendFeed UI, it makes it easier for Twitter users to switch over because of the familiarity.
- Winston Teo
Most of the people I know are on Facebook with a handful on FriendFeed. Not sure I want to see most of them on FriendFeed, to be honest.
- Brandon Titus
Jason, in parallel, your activity in social media and FriendFeed plummeted just as the site was growing. It changed on your site and your approach. As you know, participation pushes subscriptions. And all you guys who aren't subscribed to Jason... should. http://beta.friendfeed.com/webomat...
- Louis Gray
suddenly full of FollowEnvy
- paisano
same here Jason - but then I barely come to FF anymore - and I probably only liked two or three items in the last few weeks...
- Frederic
Right, Frederic. You guys came into FriendFeed the same time I did, as did Steven and MG. That's what the B-List was all about. But as the activity was different, the results are different.
- Louis Gray
The best way to read FF is with alertthingy.com FF edition
- Maxine Appleby
ff <3
- Rachael Depp
totally agree Louis - but my early enthusiasm for FF just died in the last few months, and I can't even quite pinpoint the reasons for it
- Frederic
I still love using FF and I think maybe I like this new interface even better!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
from IM
I went through and subscribed to a bunch more people today just to add more to my real-time stream....I'm guessing others may have done the same.
- Brian Stoner
I suspect some of that might be driven by twitter sucking so hard lately. The fail whale has been around more than absent for a lot of users, myself and @lee included.
- Chris Abbey
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WTF is up with the Friendfeed logo???? You mouse over it and it turns into the Matrix.
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It is another training program designed to teach you one thing: if you are not one of us, you are one of them.
- Jim #TeamMonique
All your friendfeeds are belong to us
- brainno722 (Peter)
Morpheus?
- Bill Sodeman
What does the red pill do again?
- brainno722 (Peter)
Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Friendfeed is. You have to see it for yourself.
- Morton Fox
IT'S TEH CONFICKER! HIDE!
- Michael Forian
If I deleted my Twitter account would a kitten die? I'm wondering cause more and more of my early adopter friends are moving to other services (I am watching).
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Delete it. I showed the way and I have no regrets :-). I think it's the way forward.
- Richard A.
Depends on if you can force them onto FriendFeed. Twitter has become a cesspool of spammers and celebrities, which is usually a sign that it's time for people to move on.
- Mike Nayyar
other services like ?
- Marco
What services are they using.
- Sweyn Venderbush
What are the other services that they are switching to?
- Jason
what are the other services? FF? other?
- nrlaskey
Force them? It's not about forcing anyone to do anything, It's about whether you're still getting anything out of the network you're investing your time into.
- Richard A.
No Kittens die. Most people will follow where you lead.
- Russellreno
I'm not there yet, Richard. But I do note that Facebook is getting more interesting to the early adopter types I usually hang out with.
- Robert Scoble
I'll use my mom's argument: "If all your early adopter friends jumped off a cliff, would _you_ jump off a cliff?"
- Nick
Yes, I'd like to know what services too? And don't say FriendFeed :)
- Michael Pilla
Why would you kill off that audience? At least keep it up with a pointer saying you can now be found at X. You know that if you delete the account, in 6 months, some blogger will write a story about how Robert Scoble doesn't get social media because he's not on Twitter and then it'll be the top story on TechMeme for at least a week.
- Mark Trapp
which other other services are attracting the early-adopter crowd, Robert? Anything cool you can share with us?
- Andrew Terry
Sure, no kittens would die. But I continue to find Twitter invaluable and more useful than FriendFeed. However, FaceBook is becoming more useful as a communications and stay-in-touch tool, especially for those with whom I share a relationship of some type.
- Michael Krigsman
Nah, not friendfeed, although it's interesting that this comment is getting more engagement here than on Twitter. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Facebook for the win. It is more interesting to me also. Amazing how they did that.
- Russellreno
What are the other services???
- Jennifer Windrum
Michael: Facebook is the one I'm thinking of. It's coming on very strong with the types of people who made Twitter popular.
- Robert Scoble
@Mike, I was thinking the same thing. We are early adopters (ok, some are earlier than me) and we enjoy the close nit friendships created and nurtured through small groups.
- Damond Nollan
I think you should keep your Twitter account to follow the evolution of Twitter into FriendFeed, through all kind of bolt-on services like Twitpic and Twerbose ( http://twerbose.com/ ).
- Meryn Stol
Trapp, because that audience is only interesting if you get it onto a more conversational platform where anyone can make sense of the conversation a month after it happened. Twitter makes that impossible.
- Richard A.
this is the classic age old early adopter twitch, if you were a real early adopter you wouldnt be asking and you'd be gone already.. fear not however, where ever you go, the masses will follow
- Dan Rockwell
Why delete it? To make a statement? Just abandoning it quietly is a better choice.
- Brian Sullivan
I'm liking Facebook much more since it's a direct FriendFeed copy, but it'll need to go asymmetrical to kill Twitter.
- Steve Isaacs
Robert; If twitter was alive and well people would be chatting, not retweeting, they would be conversing with more than one tweet per day per person.
- Richard A.
I agree that Facebook is becoming more interesting. What I'd like though, is a version of Facebook that doesn't allow any of the really stupid applications. I'm sick of getting poked, hit with a pillow, being served fake beers, etc.
- iTad
Dan: I was a big Facebook user right around when the Platform came out. Then I moved to Twitter cause more of the people I liked to talk with were there. Now I notice the flow is headed back to Facebook and I'm not the only one to make that observation.
- Robert Scoble
the day Facebook will share outward their status update, then it may kill everything else around.... i don't think it can yet.
- Yann Ropars
@Robert: I suspect you've inadvertently validated why projects like Yammer and ESME should do well - 'your early adopter friends' says it all - it's about YOUR community, not everyone's.
- Dennis Howlett
No, seriously...what other services?
- Adam Gonnerman
I use multiple social networking tools.
- Dan Krivolavek
from twhirl
Robert: All my real life friends, and all those I trust are on FB, those I don't trust yet are spread to other networks for the moment.
- Richard A.
Robert: I get why you want to make the personal statement, but given your new role at Rackspace I'd say you really have to be everywhere.
- Ken Sheppardson
and, what's motivating your friends to move? Are other services offering features that Twitter lacks, or is it because they consider Twitter to be too mainstream/overcrowded now?
- Andrew Terry
Yann: not yet, but Facebook is moving in that direction.
- Robert Scoble
Someone's discovered the Real-time View :)
- Richard Walker
Kayce, he wouldn't be moving ;-). He would simply be re-focusing on another service ;-)
- Richard A.
Andrew: everyone has a different answer. Most of them say they must be on Facebook because their normal friends are there, but aren't on Twitter. Facebook is growing far faster (in terms of people) than Twitter is. Just passed 200 million users, while Twitter is at about 10 million.
- Robert Scoble
i think facebook would be more interesting if they made all profiles public, ala twitter. The openness of twitter is really the win. If facebook can do that then I will consider seriously using it.
- akeem adeniji
Richard W, I've been using the realtime view for weeks by now, or for a while anyway, I live in i. When I'm here.
- Richard A.
I think that any process of "flow" between platforms isn't necessarily final, So I say : keep it. You may need to go back.
- Iain Baker
Still a strong believer in Facebook for personal friends/family, Twitter for public engagement/networking. They work together.
- Ian Mikutel
I think microblogging transcends the specific service you happen to be using. The interesting thing about Twitter is that it's a sort of lowest-common-denominator microblogging platform that makes for a good place for all of the various streams to dump into and/or a good starting point to feed into your other services. But focus will gradually shift from the specific service to the microblog stream as a whole.
- Grey Drane
Twitter is mainstream now; usually indicates the demise is forthcoming
- Tom Allinder
Akeem, there's no way I want my FB profile public.
- Richard A.
What specific functions is Facebook enabling/offering now that are you seeing that is attracting the early adopters back & causing you to consider this? Is it much more than the feed & grouping?
- Lyn Graft
Ian: that was Facebook of yesterday. Zuckerberg told me Facebook will have a public engagement piece too. This is very important for brands, celebrities, news organizations (which is where Twitter is getting its hype). But Facebook is far more engaging, especially now that they copied friendfeed's features (albeit not as well) and Twitter's river of noise.
- Robert Scoble
Judy you're one person I would never follow on twitter in that case.
- Richard A.
Scoble, just delete the thing and be done with it! Who cares if you have a place to land... you yourself recently jumped without a net and it turned out okay. Kill it. You'll sleep better at night. And I agree with Tad, fake beers are teh suk!
- Jim #TeamMonique
I am not so sure. Twitter is exactly good because it produces some noise. Noise good, since it allows one to be creative in filtering the information out. It gives much more room for chance than e.g. Facebook. If one bunkers into their peer groups, inspiration becomes a very hard thing to get by.
- Mark Jacobs
@Richard how am I supposed to find you on facebook and to discuss similar things if we have never met and aren't in the same groups?
- akeem adeniji
Jim: I had to check if a kitten would die first. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, the difference is facebook is more like a village in outlook, there's a good chance many of your friends know many of your other friends. It's a much nicer and social community. We have a lot more freedom in what we post there.
- Richard A.
@Mark - Exactly!
- Grey Drane
I foresee Twitter usage reverting back to status updates, and the micro-blog moving to services with better conversation and filtering/grouping capabilities (like FriendFeed).
- Daniel Sims
Sounds like a great example of jumping on and off bandwagons as they go by. You can post to Twitter from Facebook and vice versa. With Ping.fm. you can post to all the social networks you belong to and spend as much time in whatever platform you want.
- Paul
I don't know if this matters to you or not, but I found Robert and others through Twitter. I "thought" I was connected and well read in the technology/web industry, but with Twitter (and now FriendFeed) I was introduced to a whole new world with new players. If you go back to Facebook alone, I'm afraid people like me would miss out on good people like you. Fortunately, I've subscribed to a great many of industry leaders' blogs, so I guess you can go anywhere and I would be fine, but there are others who.
- Damond Nollan
I told you twitter managment would kill twitter ;-) :-) happy to see it's turning into a reality slowly. Of course this is only a problem for early adopters.
- Richard A.
Paul: I watch engagement, not posting behavior. If you post a Tweet and no one is on Twitter to listen to it, did it really matter?
- Robert Scoble
...haven't been fortunate enough to meet you. I say, do what you feel is best, but know you take a lot of folks with you.
- Damond Nollan
Richard: I've been doing online communities since 1984. The normal people ALWAYS follow the early adopters. I can't think of an example where that was not the case. Early adopters used to be on Prodigy. We aren't anymore. Neither is anyone else. Same for CompuServe. Usenet. AOL. Etc. Etc.
- Robert Scoble
This is how active twitter conversations would have been at one time, Hundreds of tweets on the topic, and you would have followed back many of these people as a result. It would have helped with meeting new people :-)
- Richard A.
Next service to fall... Friendfeed?
- Jordi Soler
Robert: What's your view on the current best replacement for Twitter?
- Michael Krigsman
LOL at Robert. Did you land on a LOLcat?
- Jim #TeamMonique
Michael: there isn't yet a good replacement, although Facebook is definitely moving in that direction.
- Robert Scoble
ability to tweak friend lists in FB allows de facto asymmetry - just create a "follow" list to see more of, dump all those you wouldn't follow onto a "view less list," drag and drop the more list to the top so FB defaults to it...
- Todd Randolph
Curiously, there are 5 million comments here on FF, and I saw only 2 @ reply on Twitter...from @JMaultasch and @SashaKane...so far, FF wins as a forum where people participate (as opposed to sell).
- Eric Matas
Todd, advantage of lists on Facebook is you can sort your friends according to geography and how you know them. Makes seeing the most relevant news easier as a result, doesn't mean you pay any less attention.
- Richard A.
Eric: Why do you think I jumped from twitter to here? I came for the community.
- Richard A.
Do you have a list of your early adopter friends?
- Paul Sanchez
Twitter is morphing into many different business models (at an alarming pace) and the twitter feeds will continue to be the lifeblood in these new startups.
- Whip
Why do we need to move on like this was a clubbing scene? I think Twitter has its place in the ecology, so has FriendFeed. I would feel most uncomfortable in relating to people I have not met in person on Facebook mostly. Once we go back there, we may as well call LinkedIn or Xing as the next big thing.
- Mark Jacobs
Robert: Keep one thing in mind, all your twitter friends were imported onto Friendfeed the day you did that sync, as a result everyone is still followed, but on a different platform :-)
- Richard A.
I just retweeted and searched...was the 3rd to retweet. Thought the cat part would grab more attention...
- Eric Matas
Heavens no Scoble.
- Roberto Bonini
Robert: Facebook just doesn't have Twitter's ability to easily sift and find interesting new folks in one's particular area of personal interest. That's what I *NEED* and Twitter does it excellently.
- Michael Krigsman
No kittens would die if @scobleizer swam away from the fail whale.
- Bernie Goldbach
I think your kitten would simply ask for a cheezeburger. While Facebook status is becoming more Twitter like, I've found myself using Twitter much more since the demise of Pownce (deep sigh). In my world though Facebook and Twitter are tools I use to connect with different audiences. FB I use primarily for connecting with real world friends, while Twitter is more about sharing info with Webdev/mktg peers. And I like that Twitter is less cluttered even though we're seeing more new spammy users.
- Heidi Cool
Robert, are you sure about that? Do you really know how many times you have mentioned a service on Twitter or Friendfeed or your blg that didn't result in I or others going to that service to find out what it is all about? Adopting an app that you pointed to (e.g. Twhirl). If your measuring engagement by the number of people that respond directly to a post then you and other early adopters are sorely underestimating your reach.
- Paul
I think Twitter still has quite a bit of use. FriendFeed never seemed to have pick up that kind of attention (though I wish it did - its great for conversations!)
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
I think the problem with friendfeed is with its interface... it's a pita
- Marco
Paul: I know there's quite a bit of engagement on Twitter, but other services are going up while Twitter isn't growing so quickly. I track these things.
- Robert Scoble
You mind sharing a few of the early adopters names :)
- Paul Sanchez
Is this comment bait? :) I don't see any benefit to deleating your Twitter. Would you have chosen to delete your radio blog because you were moving on to wordpress?
- Christian Burns
Robert, Would you please give some examples of services that might be better?
- Andrew Pass
Marc: online communities are a LOT like the clubbing scene and that's exactly why some get more popular and others get less.
- Robert Scoble
If early adopters did start jumping off a cliff, I'd be very interested in the cliff.
- Eolaí gan Fhéile
Marco, only thing missing from Friendfeed is to see when people have commented to something you've said, then it would be much more useful.
- Richard A.
Robert, just wondering: What kind of response do you get on Facebook on questions like these?
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: not as strong because I haven't participated in Facebook for more than a year. I should try.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is much more like an index, without much real / meaningful conversation. Not to say that individual posts aren't meaningful, but they usually lead to real value somewhere else. Friendfeed has much more in-depth conversations. For me, the question is still out there on facebook - it still is mostly a light hearted socializing tool, without much serious value. At least, not yet with the people I know who use it.
- Chris Rogers
Robert, if you move to Facebook I would die, because I'm not in your 5,000. :-(
- Jesse Stay
I don't think FB is as interesting as Friendfeed. I really do think Friendfeed is the most interesting community to be part of at the moment. It has the potential to build new onlines communities without the hassle of knowing those people in person.
- Richard A.
Like many of the others, I use FB for friends/family. Twitter is where I am getting/sometimes sharing info on tech things that interest me.
- Sherri
Hmm I think it would be quite exciting if the "FriendFeed ethos" would get transferred to Facebook.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: keep in mind that up to today Facebook is only for discussing stuff with your friends. For me Facebook is capped at 5,000 friends. Facebook's more public entity, though, AKA "Pages," are being expanded and will get more of an equal billing on the social graph. On friendfeed I have 31,000 followers, and this message went to Twitter where I have 76,000 followers. So, that's a LOT more people than I touch on Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
@Chris - Yep! Use Twitter to find the interesting stuff, then follow the tidbit to wherever else it leads in order to discuss it and find the real value in it.
- Grey Drane
why not use identi.ca? - very calm there
- Wittkewitz News
Meryn: actually that's EXACTLY why Twitter is getting more hype, but why people who aren't celebrities (IE, don't have more than 5,000 followers, which includes most of my "early adopter" friends) are not feeling the Twitter love so much anymore.
- Robert Scoble
I'm amused at this conversation because none of you are aknowledging friendfeed as a platform. That's where I came when I deleted my twitter account. I was among the 200 most active users of twitter at the time.
- Richard A.
I second what Richard Azia said: "Marco, only thing missing from Friendfeed is to see when people have commented to something you've said, then it would be much more useful."
- Rick Bucich
It's kind of funny -- when you said "early adopter friends" I thought you meant a "new" service. You're just going back to Facebbok because they've added some better features and have gotten a bump of mindshare. Then some other service will evolve their features, etc. and people will go back.... What I think is really important is the recognition that Twitter, FF, etc. aren't really...
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- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Steve "bump in mindshare?" Hah! 200 million users is more than a "bump in mindshare." Twitter actually has gotten a bump in mindshare lately. Everytime I turn on the radio or TV I hear about Twitter, it seems.
- Robert Scoble
Great debate
- Dave Blankenship
Hmm I think it would be a shame if you left FriendFeed. For me it's all about the loose-ties. :) And Twitter, in it's current incarnation (e.g. without a very advanced client, turning it into something similar to FF) just doesn't work if you want to discuss anything but the simplest things.
- Meryn Stol
I hear about twitter a lot more but I don't see anyone using it anymore? Are there any signs that people are still reading tweets, rather than just posting?
- Richard A.
for an early adopter, a site /technology become's stale within 6-9 months.. the hype and fun is finito.. as such I was active from feb/07 .. I think I was the 300th odd person on twitter and by OCt/08.. I hardly use twitter.. yes early adopters keep moving on.. thats why they are called "early adopters" :)-
- Peter Dawson
Mohamed: Heheh. Even if you have thousands of friends you can't publish to the public (ie, Google can't index your facebook stuff). That's one reason why Twitter and friendfeed are more interesting.
- Robert Scoble
If a person uses Twitter because they want people to follow and pay them attention, I could care less. Twitter continues to be a useful micro-blogging tool, as long as it is free. If Twitter is fun, I'll use it. If it is just a new way to market shit, and if they start charging for it, I'll be gone. It seems that people are now getting more attention just for leaving Twitter. Good riddance.
- John Johnson
So there is no equivalent to this on FaceBook? http://twitter.com/search... Because that is one of the most interesting things about Twitter. Following subjects is often more interesting than following people.
- Matt Griffith
Let me ask a question back to you. What value would you derive from deleting your Twitter account?
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas: well, I would get a lot less auto DM spam. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Didn't Leo delete his Twitter account at one point?
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas: yeah, he did, then he came back. Hasn't seemed to hurt him, other than he isn't on Twitter's recommended follower list.
- Robert Scoble
But why would less DM spam matter? How would deleting the account provide more value than simply leaving it intact and ignoring it?
- Thomas Hawk
I triple dog dare ya.
- timedalkat
from twhirl
Thomas, I think he just "left" for awhile and returned when it was clear Jaiku didn't have enough people on it
- Richard Walker
another thing that friendfeed has not: a decent client
- Marco
Thomas, You can't ignore a twitter account, that's why :-), There's no way you can walk away from a functioning account. Many of us have tried and not quite succeeded more than 8 days.
- Richard A.
I guess my point is why delete the account? Simply ignore it. That way if you decide later on that you want to come back it's still there. You might find that you want it back at some point. At a minimum though you can still direct your FF content there which includes a link back to your conversation here with every tweet. I'd think this would be a good encouragement for people not on FF yet who are on Twitter to find you here.
- Thomas Hawk
that and maybe change your bio I'm mostly participating on FF or Facebook or whatever.
- Thomas Hawk
personally I find FF far, far, more engaging than Facebook. But maybe that's just me.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas I agree wih you, I like FF for that.
- Richard A.
Twitter is becoming mainstream, even in such backwards countries as Ukraine. For a true geek, it is a sure sign to get out of here! However, for me it is still interesting for the dynamics of signal/noise ratio within system.
- Pavlo Zahozhenko
Yeah, but to your point, you can't talk to the public and a lot more people will follow you on Twitter that will never friend you on Facebook. I'm speaking generally, here.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
This really is just an intellectual exercise, right? How can you be talking about all this Building43 stuff and promoting "social media" then turn around and talk about disappearing from the "social media" service with more MSM press/attention than any other right now?
- Ken Sheppardson
What would YOU gain from deleting it? is it more than you would gain from keeping it? You use Twitter in your own way which is most likely vastly different than anyone else who uses it, but that doesn't matter, it's up to you to decide how to use it and how to gain value out of it. It is a tool. Whether or not you want to delete it should be based on what YOU think in terms of value, not others.
- Ivan Lukianchuk
Ken: It's April 1, take that in mind. Yes, it's just an intellectual exercise, although I was dreaming about it last night so at least part of me wants to do it. Building43 is for people fanatical about the Internet, not going to be about any one thing or even just about social media.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: April 1 is Wednesday. You going to keep this up for three days? :-O
- Ken Sheppardson
Within two months your account will be deleted. There's a chance. If you think about it then it's not just a thought, there's a reason there, somewhere.
- Richard A.
Ivan: overall I would probably lose more than I'd gain, but I've learned in life that you must destroy before you can build. When Vegas builds a new casino they tear down the old one first. The trick is to know when the right time is to tear down the old one. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Azia, you are using the "royal we" or you are talking about an undefined group... and I personally wouldn't make such over-generalizations even with a :-)
- Richard Walker
in this atmosphere of many super-user account, a simple account is useless.
- abdellah
Steve: unlimited friends are coming to Facebook "soon." (We already have them on Pages).
- Robert Scoble
Besides, Twitter is a lot easier to use and more open... and there's no application spam. I hate app spam.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Yeah, but there's still a signal-to-noise problem. FB wants to be your social presence on the Web. People don't want an unsuable presence on the Web. They want to see what parties their friends are having and what their high school ex-girlfriend is up to. As a richer social medium, Facebook is much more vulnerable to Dunbar-number-type limitations for the average user. When someone...
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- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Does anyone know the mean or median number of friends for FB users?
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
ccheath just said 120. makes sense.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
It's interesting, but as a non-blogging, earlier-than-early-adopter-burnout, FB feels like AOL to me in an uncomfortable way. In spite of that creepy feeling, it seems to be where I get the most engagement for the least amount of effort. Of course, my FB circle is a tight one of 99% friends from over the past 30 yrs. Seems I only glance at Twitter & interact more deliberately on FF. FB is pointing out I seem to have less in common with my friends & I'm less friendly with common-interest acquaintances.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Twitter is "mainstream" with 10 million users, but Facebook with 200 million isn't? FB is a mess and whenever I log on I start getting real-time chat requests from people I haven't talked to in 10 years. I find Twitter to be a superior experience so far.
- Pete Smith
It's been interesting to watch the evolution of Twitter. Sadly now there is a tremendously large amount of noise covering up the best signal. Even worse, the changes that have occurred to Twitter as a result of the flood of people from the masses has been painful. I much prefer the Twitter of circa June 2008 and just prior when there was more functionality (a la track) and better discussion. In fact I much prefer seeing the fail whale than seeing Britney Spears occupying such a large mind-share there.
- Chris Aldrich
+1000 to chris kim a. FB feels like AOL to me - tons of spam, tons of intimate minutia, very little engaging content. I DON'T WANT YOUR PLANTS. It feels like work and doesn't relate to anything outside of itself. FF offers engaging, substantive conversations sprinkled with LOLCats. Twitter offers bite-sized entertainment, and (some) real-time interaction that doesn't have to involve a chat client. I prefer the latter two and consume most of my content there.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Facebook is a student community where the students have graduated as a result of which more options are now offered. When are people going to remember that fact?
- Richard A.
Where are your friends going instead?
- Rae Gross
via PETA autobot: STOP MURDERING SEA-KITTENS, ROBERT SCOBLE! :)
- Richard Walker
@Richard_Azia: I've always been clear on that point, which is part of what makes it so disturbing. Finally, my RL friends (now the parents of the original target FB audience) -- but to my horror, they have regressed into Super-Poking, Green-Patching Hippie-Gifters. Look, if you can SuperPoke me, then you can post a "hey how are you?" to my In box or wall. Frankly, I don't find the games of FB particularly engaging as a 21st-Century version of pigtails in inkwells, either.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
@Steve +1 to app spam on FB. Hate it!
- Grey Drane
from BuddyFeed
Chris Kim, that's why I ignore all requests. Much easier to ignore them than to reject them. Luckily those I know hardly spend any time doing all those things.
- Richard A.
If you deleted your account what would happen to the scobleizer name. Could someone else claim it? Or is once a name used on Twitter it is forever off the table? If you changed your mind later could you get the scobleizer handle back?
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas: I don't know. I won't delete it, though. It was mostly a fantasy I was having last night. See, normal people dream of supermodels or getting a cool car. Me? I dream of deleting my Twitter account. :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer "But I do note that Facebook is getting more interesting to the early adopter types I usually hang out with" I would say "for Internet newbies" LOL Green Houses (Walled Gardens) are usually better for a start - no scary wolfs like in Green Forrest ROFL :D
- Lora Lufark
I refuse to believe true early adopters are all-of-a-sudden enamored with Facebook because they copied a few things from Twitter and Friendfeed...then again...
- Rahsheen?
And here we are, the very reason I continue to hold that FF is my favorite engagement tool. These comment-baiting discussions naturally epitomize the value of eating one's own dog food while also pointing out that there are more dishes at this potluck than the one you bring yourself.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Offer your account on eBay and see who bids. Then sell them something else.
- Louis Gray
Never delete a well-known account. If you were to delete the Twitter account, then some offshore porn gambling site would grab the @scobleizer name. That having been said, Twitter is seeming to become a "must have" thing, so even if you don't use it, you need to establish a presence there.
- John E. Bredehoft
I just don't see the what Twitter gives you when you have FriendFeed.
- TranceMist
TranceMist - With all of the recent news coverage of Twitter, a lot of people are on Twitter who haven't yet learned about FriendFeed and they will ask the opposite question that you just asked.
- Aaron Hood
If Scoble deleted his twitter account it must be the results of Global Warming
- rob friedman
from twhirl
Rename it then auction it off.
- Ryan Stanley
No, might not die, but but Kitty would be sad: http://tinyurl.com/c8fcc3
- Sarah Garnsey
I don't see why you'd delete it rather than just not tweet, other than a very visible snub to the Twitter guys, right?
- jjprojects
I doubt that Twitter would miss you, though your ego obviously tells you otherwise.
- Stan Scott
Seriously? You guys just realized that Facebook is interesting? I've looked up to you... I had no idea I was already ahead.
- Jaica Kinsman
Robert - I've made the same conclusion as you re: Facebook gaining popularity fast with early adopters like myself, who by the way are not able to connect with you on facebook due to 5K cap. Don't delete twitter, just move to where you prefer to engage your communities.
- Susan Beebe
Maybe early adopters are spending time on Facebook to try to figure out its appeal. I think they'll conclude it's just network effects and empty virality, then leave again.
- Bruce Lewis
You actually still use both? I thought you'd moved exclusively to FriendFeed... Who cares about Twitter anymore? IT SUCKS!
- LarchOye
Experiment: If I say "SEO" or "peanut butter" in this FriendFeed post, let's see how long it takes Jiffy peanut butter company or their "SEO Expert" to subscribe to my FriendFeed to try and sell me something. Ready, set, go! (I like twitter, but it's becoming a drag because the marketing spam is now so damn predictable.)
- Melissa Davis
Is there a Mac solution yet for porting our twitter buds (the ones we actually want to follow) into FriendFeed? I was looking but gave up on it for a little while. Anyone know the scoop on that? I'll admit, I'm lazy. I want a script to do it for me. on the Mac.
- Melissa Davis
I really hope you don't start to use Facebook instead of Twitter. I don't like Facebook at all..
- Peter
Facebook first movers are migrating to twitter. So there is nothing unnatural in this. People move back and forth all the time. The grass is always greener on the other side etc etc...
- Dennis Bjørn Petersen
from twhirl
Mindcastier?
- Richard A.
Only the Calico ones?
- rob friedman
You can install (or ask a coder to develop) a Facebook App that sends your status updates (and shared links, etc.) to Twitter. You have a history with getting your data out of Facebook, but I guess Zuckerberg now knows you better. This is what most brands do: they make the effort to be everywhere, to suit they many followers. Or you can re-use Jaiku recently opened source (+ App Engine) to make the micro-blogging platform or your dreams.
- Bertil Hatt
I hardly use Twitter these days.
- Jim Connolly
Interesting thread. I can see why Robert is saying Facebook. It has been the place that I gave received the most interaction these past few months. True that, I am just a wee one and most of my FB friends are real world friends. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
information overload.... my nose is bleeding,...shutdown imminent 3....2........1....... (no kitten would die, btw)
- ilterocktive
Twitter is useful, though FriendFeed appears to be more so.
- Calvin Ayre
SuperNews! Twouble with Twitters - http://current.com/items...
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omg! I so have to tweet this
- Sarah Perez
from Bookmarklet
That's actually kind of annoying
- sofarsoShawn ~presque...
oh, it's just silly, I laughed - that's how a lot of people perceive twitter
- Sarah Perez
This is hilarious!
- Josh Haley
So good.
- Mike Nayyar
fantastic
- pestwave
Very funny. But hit a little close to home in spots, which is why it is funny.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for sharing. This is absolutely hilarious! I need to tweet about it :)
- Troy Malone
LOL omg that was funny, however it was way over 140 characters long.
- Ardail Smith
I recently spoke with a school board about modernizing their curricula and using new online tools to network with community and disseminate. All they've heard about it is the stereotypical inane tweet "I'm getting in the shower now". They don't quite "get it". I'm not evangelizing Twitter per say (go Yammer!), but I am continually finding myself trying to help people "get it" so they can make organizational decisions. I worry they'll watch this video and fortify their underestimation of socialmedia.
- Ryan Stanley
Along these lines, look at this photo of me with the Texas Governor: http://www.flickr.com/photos... -- yes, I'm friendfeeding/twittering while meeting the gov.
- Robert Scoble
It's vivid！ I so have to tweet this~
- 呢喃
always good to have a "reality check" and it looks like the twitter nut is older than the other guy...cool
- Barbara K. Iverson
Funny and well done! Is it just me or does the skeptical character rememble Kevin Rose with longer hair?
- Micah
well done.
- Thomas Hawk
awesome, LOVE IT
- Shey
I laughed out loud, srsly.
- Jonathan Hardesty
brilliant, I did not see the marketing experts though
- M F
Awesome
- Moses Kpetigo
As the advert shows..twitter certainly has a future but the concern is can twitter cope with overcapacity?
- Moses Kpetigo
Very Funny....I'll pass it to fellow Twitter Peeps.....
- Key Andrew
Yeah so I tweeted this, despite it's annoyingneas factor, it is kind of funatatastc and grows on you
- sofarsoShawn ~presque...
Mark Zuckerberg just announced that businesses and brands will have full access to the social graph. Here's what that means:
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CocaCola will be listed right next to Mike Arrington.
- Robert Scoble
And Mike Arrington will have an entry. So will TechCrunch.
- Robert Scoble
Monetization!
- Robert Scoble
Facebook just became VERY interesting to me.
- Robert Scoble
Everyone who likes Snapple is now two degrees away from everyone else who likes Snapple?
- Kevin Fox
Due to filtering and real time feed?
- Mrinal Desai
Interesting.. Please elaborate
- andy brudtkuhl
Mrinal: no, they have a new "brand" type coming for the social graph. They don't call it that, of course, but that's what it is.
- Robert Scoble
Can you explain what that means?
- Rachel Levy
gotacha - thanks!
- Mrinal Desai
Also want to hear more...Twitter is my public but Facebook is my family & friends app...
- TechMama Beth Blecherman
hmm...do I want brands to have access to my social graph? I would rather sell them my valuable data not give it away for free. Free for friends, costs for business
- David Jacobs
Sounds great, but I will believe it when I see it =)
- Bob Ngu
is today the day they get rid of the 5,000 friend limit, since Pages are now Profiles?
- Jesse Stay
So... brand (or company/product) will become an entity you can "friend" in Facebook? Am I interpreting this right? Do I get to control their access to my data/friend list?
- Brian Roy
Because as we all know, the real value in social networking isn't connecting people with other people, it's connecting people with PRODUCTS.
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse: sort of. They got very close. We have to see the implementation first.
- Robert Scoble
+100 Ken - Everyone is looking to monetize by tapping into marketing and PR dollars...
- Brian Roy
Will the "likes" feature now be trackable, like it is in FriendFeed? I don't see the purpose of it in FB right now. Why did they add that that feature if you can't see yours and others' likes?
- Jennifer Windrum
It means I've lost even more interest in Facebook. I really have no interest in being bought and sold.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Ken: you have two phone books, right? One is white, for people, the other is yellow, for companies. These can be presented separately in Facebook too. They just added the yellow pages to the social graph. This is the death of the yellow pages.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert the yellow pages died years ago
- andy brudtkuhl
Matthew: why don't you? This is an interactive thing. I'm just typing as fast as I can.
- Robert Scoble
Matthew, you can reshare Robert's threads (or anyone's) into a room.
- FFing Enigma
How about Dislikes? or even Hate or Evil, Right now your only negative comment is silence...judging by the popularity of Simon on AI, "Hated It" would be a Huge "feature."
- Jamie Ginsberg
LOL! It's right there under 'More', choose reshare and you'll essentially get the FF bookmarklet: choose the room to send it to and BOOM there you go =) Works the other way around too should you want to share something from a room into your feed
- FFing Enigma
Patrick, it's a Beacon nightmare waiting to happen again. One app or one friending of a company, and the floodgates are opened.
- Tinfoil 2.0
And salesforce is there, in the background, collecting all our data - I don't really care since I've never had issues with personal information used maliciously.
- Mona Nomura
Brands are just catching up on artists and sports guys. They've been branding themselves and using the social graph for a while.
- Marc Verstaen
It means they're vying to become more evil than Google?
- Richard Akerman
I have a new plan for surviving this recession/depression: standing outside with a sign reading "will sell my social graph for food".
- Richard Akerman
Did facebook just become a huge version of GetSatisfaction?
- Anton Mannering
MAKE: Blog: HOW TO - Make the "Brain machine" -WTF?! - http://blog.makezine.com/archive...
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I'm gonna pass. But maybe check with the fine folks down at Venice Beach...
- Morgan
That is some FREAKY ASS SH*T
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I tried one of these out at Maker Faire Austin. weird. definitely weird.
- Ha3rvey #teamMonique
Y'know what? I'm good.
- Derrick
As my dear old mother used to say, "Don't fuck with your brain."
- Sprague D
I don't think this device actually touches your brain in any way. The graphics just make it look that way.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Kamilah's right. It definitely doesn't touch your brain. It's just patterns of light and sound to adjust your brainwaves. It's a unique experience. I haven't built one, but it's a pretty easy build. It's in the Make: podcast if you're interested.
- Ha3rvey #teamMonique
@redmanbluestate I know that Democrats and Republicans share the blame. I don't care about blame. What do we do together?
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Vote them out of office... easy to say, but most people still vote back in their home state reps and senators.
- Jim McCusker
So with you there. Blame is part of what got us here. No more blame, only solutions.
- Aaron Krug
finger pointing will get us now where good fast. However, i am a firm believer in accountability and transparency and I am just not seeing it!
- Susan Beebe
But I unfortunately have little faith in people actually doing it.
- Jim McCusker
++ Jody. I think Palin might do that for him on Thursday.
- iTad
Much better comment, Robert...stop the blame games and figure out how to solve it WITHOUT the PORK and pet projects...
- Live4Emma (L4S)
no pork means that people will have to be responsible, that might not happen.
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
Right on. Forget the blame, just fix it.
- Jaemi Kehoe
Check out the votes here --> http://tinyurl.com/4ju5gv
- Jim McCusker
Spend the 700 billion on a new congress.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
It's an odd business. Both D's & R's voted against bill because they're afraid of getting punished in the election. On the other hand, their constituents are telling them they hate this bill, either because they think it's a fat cat bailout or because it's an abandonment of free-market principles in favor of socialism.
- Paul Rodriguez
Friendfeed Is All About Friends Who Reciprocate - http://nowsourcing.com/blog...
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Okay, so the sound bites of "you are defined by who you follow, if you can't stand the noise, don't subscribe to many people" and "every subscription must be reciprocal" are contradictory. I see so many people claiming both as truths simultaneously. For someone new to FriendFeed, this is hell of confusing. I'd have to imagine that, to the uninitiated, FriendFeed looks more like a cabal than a place to get things done.
- Mark Trapp
Mark: I don't buy into the reciprocation thing. That's only 1/3 of FF. The other 2/3rds? 1/3 is that it's an aggregator. No participation required other than you follow them (that's why TechCrunch is my favorite feed here, even though those guys don't participate here). The other 1/3rd? It's a search engine for the live web. No participation required there, either. FriendFeed does a lot, and that's why you get confusing advice.
- Robert Scoble
Reciprocation builds corroboration and credibility. However, you'll create a useless echo chamber if you do not include your own take-- your own analysis of what someone posted.
- Glenn Batuyong
from twhirl
I also think it's all about participation, but I have a different rule than you on subscriptions. I generally don't subscribe to someone until I've interacted with them and they have proved entertaining or informative. I get subscriptions from people who don't participate in FriendFeed much if at all... I don't see a point in reciprocating. Mainly I just find new people in my FOAF . Eventually, that way, I end up subscribing to most of the people who subscribe to me.
- Lindsay
Because of the Friend-of-Friend flow, I'm much less likely to directly subscribe to folks that i don't actually know, either reciprocally or not. I generally only subscribe to folks that i've either shared a drink with IRL, or that i'de like to share a drink with. :)
- Chris Hollander
Lindsay: I agree long term that participating does matter. I know I'm building new structures here because I'm subscribing to participants.
- Robert Scoble
I don't feel a requirement to follow those that follow me. I have email notifications on though, and I do usually check a new follower out to see if I think their stuff will be of interest to me. If I think so, then I add them. I never have a problem with noise really, I'm good at skim reading.
- Ian May
Robert: that type of contradictory flexibility gets me wondering about the overall value of FriendFeed: if a large portion of the people are expecting one thing (that this is a news dump), another large portion of the people are expecting another (that this is a big reciprocal party), nobody winds up being happy with the service as a whole. Almost like how spam is a necessary evil of...
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- Mark Trapp
My mantra: Friendfeed is what you make it, what you want it to be. Anybody who says different is trying to sell something.
- Michael W. May
Amen, MWM!
- Lindsay
Mark: now you know why I've been quite consistent in asking for a much more full-featured database here. I saw this problem immediately back in February when I started showing FriendFeed to other people. When I can say to the database "show me all items that mention the word 'economy' with two or more likes and three or more comments" then I'll know we're getting someplace.
- Robert Scoble
+1 Robert - I echo your feature request above :)
- Susan Beebe
I wish I could "like" Robert's comment above, instead of just the main post...
- Garrett Fitzgerald
I don't understand the concept of reciprocity at all. I subscribe to people I find interesting. After I interact with them for awhile, they may end up subscribing to me, or they may not need to because we may have a friend in common so they will at least see any post of mine that is commented on or liked, due to the FOAF feature. Honestly, I could give a rat's ass who is subscribed to me.
- Laura Norvig
I side with Laura on this topic. I am here to learn and interact.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Agree totally with Michael W May with one exception. I've spoken with a number of people just discovering FF (Seasoned web vets). If you enter at the wrong time, you could have a confusing screen. Somehow there needs to be more guidance for brand new people so they don;t leave.
- Charlie Anzman
Hello and Good Monday September 15, 2012 - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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