Steven Perez
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REPUBLICANISM « Pundit Kitchen: Lol News and Lol Sarah Palin, Barack Obama, John McCain, Joe Biden and more
LAWLz, Mark. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
The point: it's over there. ----> - Andrew C (✔)
Six against two. Republicans still lost here, gents. - Steven Perez
The point, to me, isn't so much that Democratic politicians or Republican politicians often come from privilege. It's the difference in the worldview, the whole "born on third base and thinks he hit a triple" thing. - Andrew C (✔)
Yeah, the whole "I'm rich and everyone else can be rich too if they work hard enough" worldview. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Peter: no, it's not. - Steven Perez from IM
Which leads to the atrocious idea that the poor are poor because they are lazy or stupid, or some such nonsense. Helps keep the people down, keep the system that keeps them down in place, while keeping the rich happy and self-satisfied with the world and themselves. - Bora Zivkovic
Life isn't fair, so why bother trying to make it fair, huh, Peter? - Steven Perez from IM
Again, you're wrong. - Steven Perez from IM
The system isn't fair - it keeps the poor down, and makes the rich richer. Those who are well-off tend to use that nasty, nasty excuse "life isn't fair" to keep their beloved system intact so they can keep laughing at the poor, plundering the Earth, and pretending that this is just how the world works and always will. Wrong and I am always taken aback when someone says this in public without showing any shame. - Bora Zivkovic
You need some moral education. - Bora Zivkovic
"Moral"? Don't use big words he won't understand, Bora. - Steven Perez from IM
You turned 180 degrees in that last comment. Until then, you HAD the let them eat cake attitude. - Bora Zivkovic
"life isn't fair" is not a true statement. "The system we have, and which can be changed, makes life unfair but that need not be" is a true statement. - Bora Zivkovic
You assume that everyone can achieve and succeed, Peter, which is simply not the case. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
In order to enable individuals to achieve and succeed, we have to have a system that does not block them from doing exactly that. But the Fat Cats have built a system that blocks, and then lie that "everyone can make it" in it, then say the people must be either lazy or stupid if they don't. What did the Fat Cats have? Fat Cat parents, Fat Cat neighborhoods, Fat Cat schools, Fat Cat networks, PLUS white skin, being male, straight (at least outwardly), and Christian. - Bora Zivkovic
Examples to the opposite, i.e., some people who 'made it' despite all the obstacles, are the examples that prove the rule. We all know all the same few examples BECAUSE they are so rare. The upward mobility myth in the USA is widespread, but it is a myth. - Bora Zivkovic
Being successful doesn't always make one rich, Peter. For some that are so incapacitated by their genes simply to achieve even one iota greater than their potential is success, but they will never be rich and will still require government help. If you see everyone who isn't rich as a failure, then your worldview is particularly warped. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
it comes down to human nature, many of the "rich" remain rich because of their friends and family. It's called the old boys network - something that transcends economic strata and can be seen from poor to rich and everywhere inbetween. Why do you think government contracts go out to the same people time and time again regardless of performance? What was that phrase? "we look out for our own". Life is unfair because of human nature. We just need enough people to try and evolve that nature! - alphaxion
From j1m's feed: "What such G.O.P. "stars" as Sanford and Jindal have in common, besides their callous neo-Hoover ideology, are their phony efforts to portray themselves as populist heroes. Their role model is W., that brush-clearing "rancher" by way of Andover, Yale and Harvard." - - Andrew C (✔)
And Peter, Bora's right that upwards intergenerational income mobility is lower in the US than in many other First World nations. It's a powerful myth, but the reality is something altogether different, even if many people come to the US believing the myth. - Andrew C (✔)
Their attitude to science is just a subset of their attitude to reality. They are equally creationist in their economics, foreign affairs, health care, environmental, education, taxes, church/state wall, rights of women etc. ideas - totally divorced from reality. - Bora Zivkovic
Peter: I was speaking statisically. Of course there are still some people who can succeed, but anecdotes aren't data, and the _data_ is that intergenerational income mobility in the US is not awesome. ("Awesome" is not the technical term.) - Andrew C (✔)
Why conservatives think that money = success? - Bora Zivkovic