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Sean McBride
Police officer who shot Michael Brown suffered fractured eye socket, friend says - The Washington Post - http://www.washingtonpost.com/politic...
"The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown suffered a fracture to his eye socket in a scuffle with the unarmed teenager before opening fire, a family friend said Thursday. Hospital x-rays of the injury have been submitted to the St. Louis County prosecuting attorney and will be shared with a grand jury now weighing evidence to determine whether Officer Darren Wilson should be charged in the shooting. The friend, who has been in contact with family members, asked not to be named because of fear of threats." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
This story has now made the Washington Post. Hospital x-rays constitute strong forensic evidence. - Sean McBride
Ignore the evidence Sean. It doesn't matter if he was involved in a strong armed robbery it's actually just shoplifting. The police dept. is inherently racist they assaulted a man in 2009 before this officer actually worked here. Broken eye socket he murdered an unarmed kid. Hands up for stupidity. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
Steven Perez
Why the People of Ferguson Can't Trust the Cops - http://www.truth-out.org/news...
Why the People of Ferguson Can't Trust the Cops
"A young man named Christopher Lane told me police had beaten him up three times since he moved to Ferguson in 2007. The beatings happened well before a local officer fatally shot an unarmed teenager on August 9 and sparked the protests that now occur daily in Ferguson. "These cops are real prejudiced," Lane said, later adding, "Ferguson is an old slave town, if you know your history." Lane asked if I had noticed that many of the side streets in Ferguson do not have sidewalks. I had. He told me that police regularly harass and even cite young black folks for failing to walk on the sidewalk, even when there is none to be found. Lane's friends said they once became burglary suspects for simply visiting a friend's house. One young man said the Ferguson police regularly stop and harass him about crimes he doesn't know anything about, hoping that he might "snitch." "It's like, I don’t know who's stealing cars, man," he said." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Steven Perez
The 10 Kinds of Trolls You Will Encounter When Talking About Mike Brown | Olivia A. Cole - http://oliviaacole.wordpress.com/2014...
The 10 Kinds of Trolls You Will Encounter When Talking About Mike Brown | Olivia A. Cole
"If you’re paying attention to the events unfolding in Ferguson—and by God, you better be—then you probably already know there is a group of people in this country of ours who are determined to change the focus of the conversation about the murder of Mike Brown and the subsequent protests, attempting to shift the lens away from the Constitutional rights of US citizens and the murder of a black teenager. If you’re reading this, you probably already know the folks I’m talking about. But here they are. #Staywoke." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Steven -- this is one of the weakest articles published on the Ferguson situation I've seen to date. - Sean McBride
Check this out: "The “Wait for Evidence” Troll: This troll may or may not be anonymous and pretends to be focused on respecting and upholding the law. “We don’t know what happened yet,” they say, “wait for evidence before you lambast an officer of the law.”" So Olivia Cole is arguing, *don't* wait for the evidence -- she already knows for a certainty what happened in the violent confrontation between Michael Brown and Darren Wilson. - Sean McBride
Have you noticed how many American political and opinion leaders haven't expressed opinions about the Michael Brown shooting yet? -- they are waiting for all the facts to be collected and presented. That's the smart thing to do and the right thing to do -- that's how our legal and justice system works. - Sean McBride
Barack Obama earned a degree from Harvard Law School -- he understands the legal system. Most of us respect Barack Obama. Dorian Johnson -- maybe not so much. I want to see how *all* the eyewitness testimonies line up, in combination with the forensic evidence, once the investigation is completed -- then I will have a basis on which to form a strong opinion. It may well turn out that... more... - Sean McBride
Which leading Democrats have spoken out or expressed strong opinions about current events in Ferguson? Hillary Clinton? Joe Biden? Nancy Pelosi? Elizabeth Warren? - Sean McBride
I'll be honest, Sean. I posted this for two reasons: 1) I've noticed these patterns in online behavior every time one of these types of cases crops up, so, no, this article is all too accurate, and 2) I had a feeling you would not be able to resist responding to it; in fact, the only question was how long you would continue doing so if I gave no response at all (and given that I've been busy at work all day, that part was easy). - Steven Perez
"They pretend that things like racism, police brutality, police corruption, etc. don’t exist and insist that if concrete evidence is released, they will be swayed to feel “sympathy” for Mike Brown. But they won’t. When evidence arises, they find objection to its relevance or veracity. They then transform into The “Mike Brown Shouldn’t Have [insert human action here]” Troll, to follow." -- yuuuuuuuuuuup. - Andrew C (✔)
"The “Violence Just Begets More Violence” Troll - These people are the riot-shamers. They roll out the word “looters!” at every chance and are not interested in the fact that only a small number of people at the protests have actively looted, or that Ferguson protestors actually locked arms to prevent said looting. " - Andrew C (✔)
Steven -- why do you think that the Democratic leadership has remained silent about Michael Brown, Dorian Johnson and Darren Wilson? My best guess: they are waiting for the investigation to be completed -- which Olivia Cole would interpret as "trolling" -- because apparently she doesn't understand how the American justice system works. Once they know the truth of what happened, they will no doubt strongly express their opinions -- as will I. - Sean McBride
"only a small number of people at the protests have actively looted" -- then you should take up your complaints with the mainstream media regarding the prominent coverage given to the role of looting, vandalism and violence in Ferguson: 1. [Google; ferguson looting http://www.google.com/#q=ferg...] 2. [Google; ferguson vandalism http://www.google.com/#q=ferg...] 3. [Google; ferguson violence http://www.google.com/#q=ferg...] - Sean McBride
More honesty, Sean: I. DON'T. CARE. The one question which has never occurred to me in almost two weeks is "I wonder what [random Democratic politician] think about this situation." - Steven Perez
Steven -- if you care about practical politics, and achieving political objectives, you really do need to take account of how elite and mass opinion are trending on issues like Ferguson. Quite a few political leaders on the left are wondering if Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson might be a weak reed on which to build momentum for the important issues which have arisen in the Ferguson situation. They don't want to get burned -- they are being cautious in waiting for all the facts to come out. - Sean McBride
That train is never late. - Victor Ganata
We gonna get a BINGO soon? - Andrew C (✔)
The grand jury will decide that (BINGO): to prosecute or not to prosecute. We are all waiting for the completion of that process with intense curiosity. - Sean McBride
Victor -- I recall the discussion we had here about the Henry Louis Gates/James Crowley story. Back then, I took the position I am taking now: wait until all the facts emerge before rushing to judgment. The climax of that last situation? -- Barack Obama invited Crowley to share a beer with him and Gates at the White House. - Sean McBride
This situation is much more serious: that is why we need to be especially careful in figuring out who has been lying and who has been telling the truth about that violent confrontation at the cop car. - Sean McBride
I've had several BINGOS in the last week, Andrew. - Steven Perez
I remember when many Americans had many BINGOS regarding their decision to support the American war against Iraq on the basis of incomplete and misleading information. That turned out well. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Hillary Clinton Urged to Stay Mum on Ferguson Shooting - http://www.newsmax.com/Politic...
Hillary Clinton Urged to Stay Mum on Ferguson Shooting
"Potential presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is being pressured by Rev. Al Sharpton to step up and comment on the Ferguson shooting controversy — but Democratic strategists are urging her to stay quiet, Politico reported. Sharpton called on the former secretary of state as well as possible Republican contender Jeb Bush, and other White House hopeful, to make their feelings known about the killing of an unarmed black teenager by a white police officer." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
""Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton, don't get laryngitis on this issue," Sharpton said sardonically during a rally over the weekend in Ferguson, Missouri. "Nobody can go to the White House unless they stop by our house and talk about policing." The preacher has continued to press for Clinton and other Democratic candidates in 2016 to speak up during his MSNBC show, but his requests appear to have fallen on deaf ears, Politico said." - Sean McBride
"Donna Brazile, former Vice President Al Gore's campaign manager, urged Clinton to wait until a full investigation is carried out into the shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown by Officer Darren Wilson before she addresses the crisis. "There's two tragedies unfolding in American politics," Brazile told Politico. "The murder of a young unarmed man by a policeman and the mishandling of... more... - Sean McBride
[Wikipedia; Donna Brazile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...] - Sean McBride
Poor HRC polling her responses to every damn thing . #tonedeaf - WarLord
But it's not just Hillary -- it's the entire Democratic leadership. They may be privy to information about the case that is not available to the public. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Michael Brown Shooting: Witness Accounts Tell Conflicting Stories http://www.ibtimes.com/michael...
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"This is the part where the various witness accounts diverge and the most significant differences creep in. Some witnesses claim that Brown had his hands up and was gunned down. Wilson, and reportedly some witnesses, claim that Brown charged him, forcing him to fire." - Sean McBride
"It is worth noting that not all witness accounts have been made public at this time, so further testimony about the incident may emerge. A grand jury hearing into the shooting was opened Wednesday by the St. Louis County prosecutor." - Sean McBride
So far Dorian Johnson is the key eyewitness in this shooting -- and this is how public opinion is trending on Johnson: https://twitter.com/search... - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Josh Marshall: Is he nuts? Gov Nixon shldn't be saying there must be a prosecution in the Michael Brown killing. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog... https://twitter.com/joshtpm...
"It's an entirely different matter for members of the public to demand a prosecution. But this is the Governor of the state, the elected official who has ultimate responsibility for carrying out the laws of the state. It's simply crazy for him to be saying there has to be a prosecution. It's so inappropriate that I think it's highly likely that this is actually an editing error - or someone doing the writing who just didn't grasp the significance of the word choice." - Sean McBride
"But even if that's the case, the principle is so basic and important that it's important to note: the Governor shouldn't be publicly assuming that Wilson must be prosecuted or that a prosecution must happen for justice to be served." - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown, says source | Fox News - http://www.foxnews.com/us...
"Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com. “The Assistant (Police) Chief took him to the hospital, his face all swollen on one side,” said the insider. “He was beaten very severely.”" - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
Andrew C (✔)
Paul Ryan's American Idea is Mad Libs with a thesaurus full of conservative lies | Jeb Lund | Comment is free | theguardian.com - http://www.theguardian.com/comment...
"Ryan’s book celebrates the American Idea (it differs from the American Dream, the American Experiment and American Exceptionalism only in terms of nouns), which, he tells us, “is our nation’s most unique and powerful contribution to the world”. Ryan then goes on to enumerate a series of concepts of political and economic philosophy actually created by European thinkers. That is how powerful America is: it not only doesn’t need canon law, Ockham, Locke or Hobbes, it may actually have invented them." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
" For a supposed economics wonk, he must have had to try to never address cartel behavior, irrational economic decisions made under threat of illness or a distorted market where people’s future health is held in jeopardy to extract extortionate payments." - Andrew C (✔)
"He repeatedly condemns “state bureaucrats” for coming between you and healthcare, holding up market alternatives in a fantasia where there are no insurance flunkies who do the same. He proudly recounts an anecdote where he repudiates health – an integral part of the life part of our unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness – as a right: “To say it’s a... more... - Andrew C (✔)
Sean McBride
Key witness in Ferguson wanted in Jefferson City | Local News - Home - http://www.abc17news.com/news...
Key witness in Ferguson wanted in Jefferson City | Local News - Home
"22 year-old Dorian Johnson, the man who was walking with Michael Brown when he was shot, has a warrant out for his arrest in Jefferson City. The warrant is for stealing and dates back to June 2011. ABC 17 News looked into Johnson's past and found out he has also been charged with filing a false police report in the same year." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"false police report" - Sean McBride
Eric Logan
One of the Grand Jurors who indicted Rick Perry was, at the same time, a delegate to the Texas Democratic Convention http://mediatrackers.org/nationa...
One of the Grand Jurors who indicted Rick Perry was, at the same time, a delegate to the Texas Democratic Convention http://bit.ly/VEJeIL
Sean McBride
COLLAPSE? Radio Station Claims Primary Witness Will Admit Michael Brown Charged Officer Darren Wilson - Bearing Arms - http://bearingarms.com/collaps...
"***BREAKING NEWS*** Remember, you saw it and heard it here first. We have heard (from a VERY connected national media source) that Ferguson officer Darren Wilson will be cleared in the shooting of Michael Brown. The key: Dorian Johnson has now admitted that Michael Brown attacked Officer Wilson and attempted to take his gun. OFFICER WILSON WILL NOT BE CHARGED!" - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
True or false? I haven't the slightest idea. But the source was first to break the news about the actual content of the autopsy report. - Sean McBride
Google News surfaced this story: [Google News; dorian johnson https://www.google.com/search...] - Sean McBride
Ok: this story is trending big on Twitter right at this moment: https://twitter.com/search... - Sean McBride
If Dorian Johnson does in fact recant his story, many people are going to have a lot of explaining to do. - Sean McBride
Make that trending HUGE -- I just refreshed the Twitter search. - Sean McBride
BUT -- I'm not ruling out yet that it could be a false rumor. - Sean McBride
The real-time view of the breaking Dorian Johnson story: https://twitter.com/search... - Sean McBride
This story may be false, but it gained massive traction fast. BAM. The source appears to be somewhat credible. - Sean McBride
Tweet: "if true..Dorian Johnson should be charged w/ false official statements & held accountable for riots" https://twitter.com/SnarkyM... - Sean McBride
True that. - Sean McBride
A few tweets are now claiming that Johnson's lawyer has denied this new story -- but they provide no sources. We will probably know the truth by this evening. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
The Michael Brown case hinges on this one detail - Salon.com - http://www.salon.com/2014...
The Michael Brown case hinges on this one detail - Salon.com
"Some eyewitnesses report having seen Brown approach Officer Darren Wilson, making him fear for his life" - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"As a grand jury is set to convene today to hear evidence related to teenager Michael Brown’s death, conflicting eyewitness accounts of the shooting are gaining traction." - Sean McBride
Salon.com is beginning to hedge its bets. Meanwhile there is this: https://twitter.com/search... - Sean McBride
Many people in the discussions about Ferguson and other political controversies don't seem to know how to use Google, Twitter and many other valuable tools -- they are always behind the curve, unaware of how facts are being uncovered and coming together in real time regarding issues on which they hold strong emotional opinions. - Sean McBride
Tip: Twitter is much more powerful than Google News for tracking fast-breaking news stories. Google can't begin to keep up. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
'SNL' Political Secrets Revealed: Hillary's "Entitlement," the Sketch Obama Killed and the Show's "Karl Rove" - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news...
'SNL' Political Secrets Revealed: Hillary's "Entitlement," the Sketch Obama Killed and the Show's "Karl Rove"
Andrew C (✔)
@ShaunKing: Eyewitness Accounts of Michael Brown Shooting - https://storify.com/ShotFro...
"4 different eyewitness accounts from 4 different angles (left, right, above, ground level) all tell the EXACT SAME STORY. Period. What is also SO KEY is that all 4 of these eyewitnesses, including Dorian Johnson who was right there, had the same story from THAT DAY on. [...] For anybody to hear the three videos I just shared and still choose to think they are, in essence lying or colluding together is racist." - Andrew C (✔)
"In essence, to think that Crenshaw, Mitchell, and Johnson colluded, concocted a story, then risked it all to share it, is insane. For reference, please read "Psychopathic Racial Personality" by Dr. Bobby Wright. In it, he explains that racism is a form of psychopathy. The idea, the gall, to think that 3 strangers, in essence just because they are black, immediately colluded & made up... more... - Andrew C (✔)
"I would not say ANY OF THIS if the accounts of Crenshaw, Mitchell, and Johnson, were very similar to what we hear from Darren Wilson. But the accounts are WILDLY different from the very start to the very, very, very UGLY end with Wilson unloading on Mike Brown's face/body. It was treated as a red-herring of sorts when Mike Brown did not come back with back full of bullet holes. This is... more... - Andrew C (✔)
"Crenshaw, Mitchell, and Johnson all say that Mike was hit FROM BEHIND, not in his back, and autopsy confirms a graze wound in his arm. Crenshaw, Mitchell, and Johnson ALL confirm that Mike Brown's body twitched when grazed, turned around, then surrendered to Wilson. Mitchell, an incredibly composed unbiased eyewitness not even from there said Brown not only didn't "bumrush" Wilson, but... more... - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew C (✔)
Police cameras are important, but they’re useless without policies to ensure they’re used properly - The Washington Post - http://www.washingtonpost.com/news...
"So in addition to making these videos public record, accessible through public records requests, we also need to ensure that police agencies implement rules requiring officers to actually use the cameras, enforce those rules by disciplining officers when they don’t and ensure that the officers, the agencies that employ them, and prosecutors all take care to preserve footage, even if the footage reflects poorly on officers." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
"One policy that would go a long way toward achieving those three objectives is what defense attorney Scott Greenfield calls the missing video presumption. Currently, the courts generally treat important video that goes missing as a harmless mistake. They assume no ill will on the part of police. If you discover that the police were or should have been recording an encounter that would... more... - Andrew C (✔)
"Under the missing video presumption, if under the policy agency’s police there should have been video and there isn’t, then the courts will assume that the video corroborates the party opposing the police, be it a criminal defendant or the plaintiff in a civil rights lawsuit. The state could still get over the presumption by presenting other evidence, such as witnesses, medical... more... - Andrew C (✔)
Eric Logan
The Economics of Police Militarism http://www.newyorker.com/news....
The Economics of Police Militarism http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/economics-police-militarism.
Missouri was one of the first states to allow private probation companies, in the late nineteen-eighties, and it has since followed the national trend of allowing court fees and fines to mount rapidly. Now, across much of America, what starts as a simple speeding ticket can, if you’re too poor to pay, mushroom into an insurmountable debt, padded by probation fees and, if you don’t appear in court, by warrant fees. (Often, poverty means transience—not everyone who is sent a court summons receives it.) “Across the country, impoverished people are routinely jailed for court costs they’re unable to pay,” Alec Karakatsanis, a cofounder of Equal Justice Under Law, a nonprofit civil-rights organization that has begun challenging this practice in municipal courts, said. These kinds of fines snowball when defendants’ cases are turned over to for-profit probation companies for collection, since the companies charge their own “supervision” fees. What happens when people fall behind on their... more... - Eric Logan
I tried to explain this a few days ago, but failed glad to see some else picked up the baton. - Eric Logan
Sean McBride
Steven -- the NPR link that you requested: [An Account Of The Ferguson Shooting, From The Man Standing Beside Brown http://www.npr.org/2014...]
Robert Siegel's questions to Freeman Bosley, Dorian Johnson's attorney: - Sean McBride
"SIEGEL: Now, Dorian Johnson has been quoted as saying that officer Wilson shot, as you say Big Mike, Michael Brown, in the back. The autopsy that was performed at the Brown family's request by Michael Baden found no such wound. There's nothing consistent with that. Could Dorian Johnson be mistaken as eye witnesses sometimes are mistaken?" - Sean McBride
"SIEGEL: A self-described friend of Officer Darren Wilson went on a St. Louis talk radio show and related what she says was Wilson's account of the shooting. And by that account, Michael Brown punched him, wrestled for control of his gun and ultimately, after walking away, turned back and charged at the police officer. Does Dorian Johnson say that any of those things happened?" - Sean McBride
"SIEGEL: To what extent should we question his [Dorian Johnson's] account of events, knowing that he had just been, if not a participant, an immediate witness to a - you know, a kind of a pretty thuggish moment there in that store when Michael Brown stole those cigars, and more to the point sort of shoved the sales clerk away in a rather aggressive way. Is Dorian Johnson - does he have a stake in his version of events?" - Sean McBride
Now that I read the transcript of the remarks I heard while driving yesterday, I would say that to describe them as not friendly or warm towards Brown and Johnson would be an understatement. Skeptical and distanced, certainly. Almost a hostile line of questioning. - Sean McBride
If this goes to trial, lawyers for the defense will go after Johnson with much greater force and skill than Siegel displayed here -- of course, Siegel was being civil and polite -- but he made his points succinctly and with clarity. - Sean McBride
Siegel really knows how to slide the knife in cleanly when he wants to -- just a few brief polished questions, hitting the most sensitive nerves, delivered in a cheery and avuncular tone. He would make a great lawyer -- the man has skills. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Police Allege More Than A Dozen Witnesses Confirm Michael Brown Charged Injured Police Officer - Bearing Arms - http://bearingarms.com/police-...
"Christine Byers of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch has been acknowledged as being one of the more competent and even-keeled mainstream media reporters covering events in Ferguson, Missouri. She has a certain “home field advantage” being a local reporter, but that hometown connection means that she also has the added stress of needing to make sure that what she reports is as accurate as possible… unlike some others. After all the out-of-town journalists leave, Byers’s reputation, credibility, and future access to parties on all sides of this crisis will hinge on whether or not she did her utmost best to be as accurate as balanced as the dynamic situation allows. It is because of this that her statement that officers have “more than a dozen witnesses” corroborating the claim that a fleeing Michael Brown stopped, turned, and then charged at Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson has so much impact." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"Wilson was reportedly attacked by Brown inside his vehicle. Wilson—who we now know suffered a fractured eye socket as the result of Brown’s preliminary attack—fired multiple shots at Brown as the 6’4″, nearly 300-pound man thundered down upon him for a second time." - Sean McBride
"I suspect that there aren’t many witnesses to the beginning of the confrontation that resulted in shots being fired inside Wilson’s police vehicle, but it seems clear that the shot captured the attention of residents in the area, more than a dozen of whom apparently told police that they witnessed Michael Brown attempt to charge Wilson once both men had moved away from the vehicle a number of yards down the street." - Sean McBride
Andrew: regarding the 35 feet: "both men had moved away from the vehicle." - Sean McBride
If Christine Byers is saying this, one at least has to pay attention -- she is a credible journalist. - Sean McBride
Eric Logan
The tragedy of Michael Brown’s death has become the latest cause and symbol for justice and equality across America. His name heralds the rallying cry against senseless killings and brutality at the hands of our law enforcement. Yet, his name rings a familiar, but different, truth to me. I will not march for Michael Brown as I stand for truth and justice. - Eric Logan from Bookmarklet
And another point of view: http://beforeitsnews.com/protest... - MRW_8
Thanks. It's also kind of sad that the most reliable news sources on TV are comedians. Get the facts spun for comedic effect. At least someone's paying attention to the facts. Of course we now need a sarcasm detector on social media so that some can tell the difference so I hope this is not the only place people get their news. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
Organizing a political movement around a violent thug and common criminal, who shared the same mentality and values as the criminals who have been looting and vandalizing Ferguson, would be the height of stupidity. Michael Brown was no Martin Luther King. These images have been devastating from the standpoint of trying to portray Brown as an innocent gentle giant who was attacked by a... more... - Sean McBride
What do you make of this video? http://www.ijreview.com/2014... - Todd
NPR referred to this information in an interview yesterday with Dorian Johnson's lawyer -- this material is on the table. - Sean McBride
travis hurley: "The video from the Ferguson Market did not reflect the Michael whom we mourned and longed to know. This Michael was a cool, calm and calculated criminal. He displayed no regard for this corner store clerk, for justice or for equality. In this narrative, he was not the victim of racism and brutality, but rather the source." - although his death could have likely been... more... - Chu_
Todd, After watching the aging and much smaller store clerk get harassed and manhandled by Brown, it seems very possible that Brown could have reacted the same way toward an officer, or any other resident. Statements from the people in video reinforce this. - Chu_
Chu, protests are being organized where I live. I can't imagine that very many people would support police brutality, and enough information is out there to give anyone reason to wait for the facts to come out. The people fanning the flames, lying about what happened and rioting should be held responsible. - Todd
Finally we see the cop's injuries. I don't think he had his eye socket crushed executing a compliant Brown. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014... - Todd
"The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.” - Eric Logan
At the start of this case, did the police withhold information that he was attacked by Brown, or were they waiting for 12 witnesses to corroborate the story? -I didn't follow this story from the beginning, but now it's morphed into the main story. - Chu_
They said from the beginning the officer had facial injuries. I don't know if this report has been verified yet though. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
Sean McBride
BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack | The Gateway Pundit - http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014...
"The Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown. This was after Michael Brown and his accomplice Dorian Johnson robbed a local Ferguson convenience store." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
True? Not true? If true, a bombshell. The story needs to be verified. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Dueling narratives in Michael Brown shooting - CNN.com - http://www.cnn.com/2014...
Dueling narratives in Michael Brown shooting - CNN.com
"Was there a struggle? Yes. Everyone agrees on this point, and it's one of the few aspects of the shooting that police have attempted to detail, though the official explanation has spurred many questions they have yet to answer." - Sean McBride
Steven Perez
Things To Stop Being Distracted By When A Black Person Gets Murdered By Police | - http://www.blackgirldangerous.org/2014...
Things To Stop Being Distracted By When A Black Person Gets Murdered By Police |
"I wish I didn’t have to tell some of you that victim-blaming when a Black person is murdered by police is a huge no. That it doesn’t matter if they were on the honor roll, or smoked weed sometimes, or were going to college, or what brand of hoodie they wore, or even if they spent time in jail at some point. That the right to walk down the street without being a target for murder by the police isn’t a right one should have to prove themselves worthy of. That we should all just have that right by virtue of being human beings." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
"When you’re Black, you don’t always get the benefit of being seen as a human being, though. Black people are seen as ‘up to no good’ by default. The truth is that our lives, like anyone else’s, are filled with good choices as well as mistakes, achievements we’re proud of as well as missed opportunities. Successes. Failures. Just like everyone else. But what’s also true is that we, as... more... - Steven Perez
"If we were to talk about a victim’s past, we would have to talk about it in a context of oppression. But, you know what? We don’t need to talk about it at all. Because it is irrelevant to issue of their victimization. Just like bringing up a victim’s past to justify her rape is wrong, bringing up a victim’s past to justify his murder by police is also wrong. Yes, even when those people are Black." - Steven Perez
"The victim’s past isn’t the issue. The issue is yet another unarmed Black teenager murdered by police. His name was Mike Brown." - Steven Perez
Steven -- the focus in this case should be on collecting and analyzing all the available physical evidence and ascertaining the truth of what really happened. That is my opinion, at any rate. Feel free to disagree. - Sean McBride
Sean: I agree. - Steven Perez from Android
Steven -- I also understand why there is a great deal of emotion about this incident -- there has been a long-standing pattern of unacceptable police brutality against minorities (especially blacks) in American society. But at the end of the day, this particular case will be resolved on the basis of the best evidence. And one still can't rule out the possibility that Michael Brown was in the act of surrendering when Darren Wilson shot him -- a deed which would probably (and justly) send Wilson to prison. - Sean McBride
Given how previous cases similar to this one have played out in the courts (Sean Bell, Oscar Grant, Trayvon Martin, etc), I am not as optimistic as you in the fairness of the legal system, Sean. - Steven Perez
Actually, ask Sean what he thought about how the Trayvon Martin case went. - Andrew C (✔)
Sean, someone (who I'm guessing you've blocked or has blocked you) wants to know what you think about how the Trayvon Martin case went. - Stephen Mack
I didn't pay much attention to the Trayvon Martin case -- it became a media circus of the type I usually filter out. But when the story came out about George Zimmerman pointing a shotgun at his pregnant girlfriend, I became convinced that justice was probably not done in that case -- Zimmerman should have been convicted. - Sean McBride
The Michael Brown case strikes me as being much more important than the Trayvon Martin case in terms of its political and cultural impacts. And in this instance there will be much more physical evidence and eyewitness testimony available to determine what really happened. I am hoping that the full truth comes out, no matter what the truth is -- and it will be difficult to spin the facts. Bottom line: seek justice. - Sean McBride
There are many white racist cops out there -- we all know that. The question is, is Darren Wilson one of them and did white racism motivate his shooting of Michael Brown. My mind is wide open to accepting that this is true if anyone can persuasively make the case. In the meantime, I have no opinions one way or the other. The most important factual point to resolve now is whether Brown was surrendering to Wilson or running at him. - Sean McBride
No doubt this may be annoying to some people: I tend to look at human situations as intellectual problems to be broken down and solved, to be looked at objectively from every angle, with every assumption and assertion being strongly tested. Sorry -- that's my temperament. Experience teaches that if you rush to judgment, you can get burned. Get your facts in order. Stand on as strong a... more... - Sean McBride
"“Why should we cherish “objectivity”, as if ideas were innocent, as if they don’t serve one interest or another? Surely, we want to be objective if that means telling the truth as we see it, not concealing information that may be embarrassing to our point of view. But we don’t want to be objective if it means pretending that ideas don’t play a part in the social struggles of our time,... more... - Steven Perez
Steven -- I was using "objectivity" in a different sense -- collecting all the facts about situations and arranging them in their true order (to the best of our ability) -- to read reality aright. We will, of course, all use these readings according to our respective value systems and agendas when we take positions. The point is, be on solid factual ground when taking positions *on... more... - Sean McBride
And I would agree with you, were we talking about a competent police department that wasn't intent on firing tear gas and rubber bullets into peaceful protesters, to say nothing of threatening anyone with a camera. Such is not the hallmark of rationality. - Steven Perez
There is plenty to criticize in the Ferguson police department -- but apparently some of the protestors are not so peaceful. That is why the NAACP endorsed sending the National Guard into this situation. Use Google Images and Youtube to turn up all the evidence of looting, rioting and vandalism that has been going on. What do you think that businesses and store owners and employees in... more... - Sean McBride
The majority of which could have been largely averted, had the police department handled the situation in a more professional manner. How much of the destruction that has been wrought has been a result of the police deciding to escalate an already tense situation until it became necessary to bring in the National Guard? - Steven Perez
Steven -- you're right -- the Ferguson police aggravated the situation. But here is the point: what kind of people loot, vandalize and destroy their own neighborhoods to engage in political protest? For instance, Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank have endured much worse treatment and suffering than Ferguson residents -- but they have never trashed their own neighborhoods as a form... more... - Sean McBride
There's your mistake, Sean: looters don't need a cause; they need an opportunity. Just ask every sports fan whose team just won a championship if the looters that smash up their downtown area are "fans". It's the same principle in this case. There's always going to be a group of opportunistic assholes that will take advantage of a situation to their benefit, especially in a nation founded by opportunistic assholes. - Steven Perez
This just in: [Ferguson protesters: The peaceful, the elders, the looters, and the ‘militants’ http://www.washingtonpost.com/politic...] - Sean McBride
Riots that occur after sporting events are not pretending to be acts of noble political protest. - Sean McBride
Celebration riots in North American Sports. http://bridgit.onu.edu/2010110... - Eric Logan
The Sociology of Crowds: Celebration Riots in North American Sports. http://www.onu.edu/node/35846 - Eric Logan
Actually they are fans it seems and large groups of young white males are usually present and it's most likely to happen after long droughts by the sports teams and the culture surrounding the venue matters according to the only study I can find. - Eric Logan
Of course Steven is most certainly correct that they are not really fans in the truest sense of the word anymore than the looters are supporters of this family. - Eric Logan
Steven -- I can't think of any instances in which Palestinians have looted, vandalized and trashed their own neighborhoods in recent months; or in which Jews did so in the Nazi era; or in which American revolutionaries or the Irish did so under British occupation. From a cultural standpoint, there is something anomalous about this behavior -- it is not typical in most political situations. - Sean McBride
Eric -- who better to pay tribute to Michael Brown than looters? He himself looted a store in Ferguson minutes before his violent confrontation with Darren Wilson. http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopol... - Sean McBride
Lots of people don't understand why looters "destroy their own neighborhoods" and I get it, but when people are disenfranchised and treated badly by those who are supposed to protect them, represent them, etc. it's hard to be personally invested in your neighborhood or even feel like it's "yours" at all. And while lots of folx scoff at the idea of outside agitators, the truth is they do... more... - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
The looting and vandalism are being chronicled in depth with images and videos posted on social media: 1. [Google Images; ferguson looting http://www.google.com/#q=ferg... 2. [Youtube; ferguson looting https://www.youtube.com/results...] - Sean McBride
You're talking in circles, Sean. We're saying why people loot, and your reply is essentially "BUT BUT BUT BUT LOOTING!!" - Steven Perez
^^^^ - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Steven -- I didn't see your response to this comment: I can't think of any instances in which Palestinians have looted, vandalized and trashed their own neighborhoods in recent months; or in which Jews did so in the Nazi era; or in which American revolutionaries or the Irish did so under British occupation. From a cultural standpoint, there is something anomalous about this behavior -- it is not typical in most political situations. - Sean McBride
Steven -- how do you think police should respond to the looting and vandalism? What is your best advice? - Sean McBride
"their own neighborhoods"... do the people of Ferguson hold stock in the stores & businesses that have been hit? In the actual neighborhoods, no one is breaking windows or setting fires to people's houses or apartments or schools..."their" stores & businesses aren't affected because "they" don't own them or profit from them. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
And you cannot compare what is happening to American citizens, who ostensibly have rights protected by the constitution, to Jews under Nazi occupation, who'd already been oppressed before the Nazis got there. They had no expectation of legal or constitutional protection and besides, nazis & anti-Semites did all the looting & burning for them. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
In the other political situations I mentioned -- for instance, in Gaza and the West Bank -- did Palestinians from one town enter another town and loot and vandalize it? Not that I know of. And the conditions of oppression in Gaza and the West Bank are much worse than in Ferguson. - Sean McBride
Well, Sean, I have a radical idea concerning how to deal with looters: stop shooting peaceful protesters, journalists and other pedestrians with tear gas, rubber bullets and sound cannons, and go arrest looters. And, if they can find the time, stop shooting unarmed black men. I know those sound pretty radical in the second decade of the 21st century, but maybe if the police really apply themselves, they can reach that goal. - Steven Perez
Anyone who tries to justify or rationalize in any way the looting and vandalism in Ferguson is going to have a tough sell with the American people -- even Michael Brown's family has strongly condemned that behavior *without equivocation*. - Sean McBride
Why are you comparing Ferguson to other places in the world? Do you think the people most affected by what's happening all have the luxury of watching, studying, and debating the politics of other countries? I'd guess the majority of people in Ferguson have been too busy working so they can pay their bills, raising their families, & trying to keep their children safe, to be worried about protest tactics elsewhere. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
folks in Ferguson being tear gassed while standing on their own property are "the American people." - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
And this is where our brains part ways, Sean: I think you're conflating "looters" and "protesters". Which is something the police in Ferguson are doing. It's like watching the Bush Doctrine played out in suburban St. Louis: "Hey, look! Looters!" "Never mind them! We're being filmed! Get the LRAD!" - Steven Perez
Steven -- I didn't conflate looters and vandals with peaceful protestors -- I strongly support peaceful protest and even civil disobedience -- I am a big fan of Henry David Thoreau. But looting and vandalism have come to play a major role in recent events in Ferguson -- it's all over the news, in both the mainstream and alternative media. - Sean McBride
Why am I comparing Ferguson to other places in the world and previous eras of American history? Because many of us have noticed that legitimate political protest movements almost never rely on the looting and vandalism of their own property to make a political point. And that is why the serious protestors in Ferguson want to rid the looters and vandals from their midst as soon as possible. - Sean McBride
And you're insinuating that the protest movement in Ferguson does rely on looting? - Steven Perez
Might want to check the title of this post again, Sean. - Steven Perez
I insinuated no such thing: I explicitly stated, for instance, that the Brown family has condemned the looters and vandals *without equivocation* -- with no rationalizations presented to explain their behavior. I have also strongly and repeatedly condemned the heavy-handed behavior of the police. - Sean McBride
I am not in support of violence or looting. But I think it's important that people stop thinking that "they" are destroying "their" property. That isn't what's happening. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
I rewrote the sentence above to make my point more clear: Many of us have noticed that legitimate political protest movements around the world and in American history have almost never been accompanied by the looting and vandalism of the protestors' own property to make a political point. - Sean McBride
Sean, you cannot compare blacks in America to any other oppressed people in world history. Unless you have some personal or family experience of 400 years of slavery, apartheid, and continuing genocide in African-American communities, you may have little understanding of how people feel. I'm not justifying looting, but perhaps as I suggested to Hostage on a MW thread that he and Chomsky... more... - weareone
Steven -- how would you characterize Michael Brown's behavior at the convenience store? What does his body language convey to you? http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopol... - Sean McBride
And saying "many of us have noticed..." doesn't really mean anything. I'd bet the vast majority of Americans don't see themselves in what is happening elsewhere, or put much thought into what it's like. Until it happens to them. And when it does, they're probably more likely to react in the moment than to go study protest movements in other countries. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT MIKE BROWN DID OR HOW HE ACTED. Whatever he may or may not have been doing, he SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN MURDERED FOR IT. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Seriously, it's like you didn't read, or don't care about, the OP article. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
My question was, how would you characterize Michael Brown's behavior in the convenience store? -- a simple question. No reasonable person believes that he deserved to be murdered for committing a strong-arm robbery. The facts about what occurred in his violent confrontation with Darren Wilson still haven't been sorted out -- the picture is still murky. - Sean McBride
weareone: "I'm not justifying looting." Well then we agree -- it is not justifiable -- and it is incredibly self-destructive, as many African-American leaders have emphasized in their public comments in recent days. - Sean McBride
And no one on this thread has suggested otherwise. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
How would I characterize Michael Brown in the convenience store? Two words: paying customer: https://www.youtube.com/watch...& - Steven Perez
Given that the Ferguson PD likes to play fast and loose with the facts (just the Al Jazeera camera crew how they felt about receiving "assistance" from the cops in the form of getting tear gassed - and then being told by the chief that no journalists had been gassed), you'll understand, Sean, why I think that the local fuzz is somewhat economical with the truth. - Steven Perez
You're focusing on the wrong thing. As someone else has stated, often provocateurs are brought into the community to shift the focus, the narrative. Even if this was not the case, focus on the injustice. - weareone
Steven -- didn't Dorian Johnson already acknowledge that they robbed the store? Correct me if I am wrong. Why did Brown bully, intimidate and shove the cashier? Most people have characterized his body language as thuggish. - Sean McBride
And those people would probably see ANY black or brown person's body language as "thuggish" - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
You're illustrating the point that the OP article is making, illustrating it beautifully. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
weareone: my Irish ancestors experienced a great deal of oppression in Ireland and the United States for many years -- but it is not a subject that I dwell on at all -- I tend to be forward-looking -- most Americans are. With regard to the comparative oppression of peoples worldwide historically speaking, African-Americans certainly rank high on the list. But as you well know, hundreds... more... - Sean McBride
Starmama: how, then, would you characterize the body language in these images? http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopol... - Sean McBride
I voted for Barack Obama twice for president precisely because he was the *least* thuggish of the available candidates. - Sean McBride
That brings up an even more troubling question, Sean: why didn't the police pick up Johnson, if for nothing else, then at least for questioning? Why was Chris Hayes the first person to interview an alleged robbery suspect? - Steven Perez
I see a big guy pushing a smaller guy out of his way. Maybe Mike was being mean. Maybe he was mad at something the other guy said. I also see another goddamned distraction in the form of dissecting a murder victim's behavior to shift accountability from the police officer to Mike Brown. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
The alleged robbery, btw, wasn't even an issue. Store never called police about it. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Steven -- you are asking questions that still need to be answered -- and I can't wait for the answers. But is it a fact that Dorian Johnson himself acknowledged that he and Brown committed a strong-arm robbery in the convenience store? Johnson's own lawyer confirmed this on NPR yesterday -- and NPR -- hardly a right-wing media outlet -- was intensely curious about the problematic issues that have been raised in the last few days in this group. - Sean McBride
Which group? - MoTO: Team Marina
Starmama -- the main issue in this controversy is whether Brown was surrendering or charging Wilson when he was shot, and whether he assaulted Wilson before the shooting. Do you think you know what happened? I don't know. What we know so far is that the eyewitness claims that Brown was shot in the back were false. With regard to Dorian Johnson's credibility: even NPR questioned it yesterday. - Sean McBride
US Politics. - Sean McBride
Sean - Even NPR? Why is that so surprising? - MoTO: Team Marina
Do you think there is anything improper in NPR wondering about Dorian Johnson's credibility? Johnson's lawyer, the former mayor of St. Louis, took no offense to Robert Siegel's sharp and skeptical line of questioning. - Sean McBride
Sean, I'm not referring to past historical events, I'm talking about ongoing genocide and apartheid in the black community. Apartheid is now taking a different form, much more subtle and insidious than in Palestine or South Africa. The form is incarceration of the black community. Some stats are here: http://www.naacp.org/pages... but just one example- 5 times... more... - weareone
weareone -- I have been aware of these statistics for a long time -- this is a huge social problem that needs to be addressed. I agree. With regard to the Ferguson situation what mainly interests me is uncovering the truth about really happened in the violent confrontation between Brown and Wilson and pursuing justice on the basis of that truth. Some people are assuming that they know what really happened before a full investigation has been completed -- I am not one of them. - Sean McBride
NPR, Sean? Link, please. - Steven Perez from Android
Everyone would like justice and truth, but the truth is that we have a very unjust system at the moment-police, courts, media, elected officials. I think this is the frustration that many are expressing."The Shortest Distance Between Palestine and Ferguson " http://www.counterpunch.org/2014... - weareone
And that is why we need to pay very close attention to this investigation -- and demand that it be an honest investigation, with no suppression, manipulation or skewing of the facts. - Sean McBride
Also, six bullets is a little over-the-top a punishment for alleged petty theft, especially when the officer who pulled the trigger had no idea that an alleged robbery had taken place when he shot Brown in the street. - Steven Perez from Android
Steven -- I heard the Siegel interview of Johnson's lawyer on my car radio yesterday afternoon. I'll look for a link -- but you may be able to beat me to it. - Sean McBride
Steven -- the robbery had little to do with the shooting -- other than possibly making Brown and Johnson paranoid about being stopped by Wilson within minutes of the crime. The open question that needs to be resolved is whether or not Brown assaulted Wilson, grabbed for his gun, and later turned and charged at him. That claim is out there, but we don't know whether it is true or not.... more... - Sean McBride
Sean, no. I just asked why you were apparently surprised. As for the officer being a "maniac" I haven't seen any credible claims of that nature. What is known is that Ferguson police are nortorious for harassment of black people. Which may just put them in line with Missouri law enforcement in general. - MoTO: Team Marina from Android
If you believe that all these people murdered by police were reaching for the cops' guns, you're wrong. Whenever I hear that, I automatically process it as a lie. You'd have to be incredibly stupid, or fully confident in your white privilege, to try to take away a cop's gun. Most people, and black people especially, know that that will lead to them being dead. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Paranoid people generally don't mouth off to police, Sean. If Brown and Johnson had actually just pulled a robbery, why didn't they hightail it out of the street the minute they saw the cop? - Steven Perez from Android
We're going in circles, Sean. How are you going to insure an" honest investigation, with no suppression, manipulation or skewing of the facts" ? Did you ever see the movie, "The Great Debaters?" It addresses some of these issues--what is the appropriate response to unjust laws or laws that are not applied with equality or corrupt officials who protect the status quo? - weareone
Steven -- once again, you are asking questions that need to be answered -- one could make any number of speculations about every aspect of the case as we know it so far. Let's get all the facts out. - Sean McBride
I can't even believe the claim that Brown was charging the officer. Maybe he was mouthing off. But I'm telling you, unless they're on drugs (not weed), the likelihood of someone thinking they can get away with charging toward an armed cop is probably close to nil. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
weareone -- aggressive investigative journalists and social media are going to be all over this case, looking into every minute detail. It will be nearly impossible to engineer a cover-up, in my opinion. The US Justice Department seems to be partly or fully in charge of the investigation -- one doubts that Barack Obama and Eric Holder would participate in a cover-up to unfairly exonerate Wilson. - Sean McBride
Starmama -- I agree -- it sounds completely crazy for Brown to have charged Wilson while Wilson was pointing a gun at him -- no sane person would do that. It is definitely not a claim that I am inclined to believe based on common sense. - Sean McBride
And trust and believe, most of us with black children have already had the conversation with them about how they may be treated by the police, and how to conduct themselves in any contact they may have with them. I'm sure that's something you cannot wrap your mind around. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Starmama -- I have black friends -- I know about that conversation. - Sean McBride
And by all accounts, Mike Brown was neither stupid nor insane. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
At the same time, Wilson would have had to be crazy to shoot Brown *six times* (at least) while he was surrendering, with his hands in the air, and with any number of potential eyewitnesses in the immediate vicinity. At least one of the two parties in this confrontation was definitely not in his right mind. - Sean McBride
But I still doubt you could fully comprehend what it's like to never have complete confidence in your child's safety being guaranteed by the police. Or knowing that your child will be judged, and treated, based on how he looks, regardless of how he behaves. As well as I like to believe I have prepared him, I still lose sleep over the dangers he faces that a white teenager never even needs to consider. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Sean, a little free advice? Never lead with "I have black friends." I don't doubt your sincerity but it falls flat. You shouldn't have to be in proximity to black people to have empathy for them. That seems to be a large part of the problem. We largely don't get the benefit of the doubt. It's like the conservative politician who doesn't support gay rights until he discovers that his son is gay. - MoTO: Team Marina
MoTO -- I was just stating a fact -- I have had conversations about these conversations with black friends -- and heard disturbing stories from them on these issues. This topic isn't abstract for me. - Sean McBride
Sean, I don't doubt your sincerity either based on our discussions on other threads, but good advice from MoTO. Sean--- <<It will be nearly impossible to engineer a cover-up, in my opinion>> I hope you're right. - weareone
Again, I don't doubt that it is. Just consider what I said. - MoTO: Team Marina
"The open question that needs to be resolved is whether or not Brown [...] later turned and charged at him. " As Shaun King tweeted, according to eyewitness accounts, Brown ran 35 feet from the cop car before stopping and turning. The _fact_ is that he died 35 feet from the cop car. So this question seems pretty resolved to me. https://storify.com/miniver... - Andrew C (✔)
I stand reprimanded for divulging that I've had conversations with black friends about black political and social issues. I will take care to keep that secret in the future. :) By the way, I didn't lead with that information -- I mentioned it off-handedly in the course of this conversation about "the conversation." - Sean McBride
Andrew -- that's a compelling argument -- maybe this case will revolve around those all-important 35 feet. (But -- was Wilson standing by the car when he fired the shots? Or had he pursued Brown to a position away from the car?) - Sean McBride
"was Wilson standing by the car when he fired the shots? Or had he pursued Brown to a position away from the car?" -- Neither matters at all when considering whether or not Brown charged. He made it 0 feet back towards Wilson. But if you are curious, there are multiple eyewitness reports that do in fact answer this second question you've just raised. - Andrew C (✔)
In terms of successfully prosecuting a case against Wilson, all of these niggling details will matter greatly. - Sean McBride
Andrew: what do you make of this? -- [Conversation recorded by bystander just moments after Michael Brown shooting casts doubt on claims the teen surrendered to Officer Darren Wilson http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news...] If there is a trial, this will become part of it. - Sean McBride
I guess if you're gonna believe what you're gonna believe, I can't stop you. - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew -- I didn't express any "beliefs" about the content of the Daily Mail article -- I was wondering what you make of it -- is it credible? - Sean McBride
Sean, I saw that video the other day. I'm not convinced that the people in that video were 'witnesses'. It sounds more like hearsay to me. They also mention 4 shots fired, a break, then 4 more shots. One person (is that in this video) says the last shots were fired closer and after Michael Brown was down in the street. - Greg GuitarBuster
Would it be fair to say that the conversations that were recorded here within moments of the shooting were spontaneous and uncoached? That is a factor I would take into consideration. - Sean McBride
Yep, definitely spontaneous and uncoached. - Greg GuitarBuster
Right -- but not necessarily true or a first-person account, as you point out. Still.... - Sean McBride
Sean, take it as you please. I could take your last comment to me as patronizing. But I'm taking the high road :) - MoTO: Team Marina
Steven Perez
I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice System - The Atlantic - http://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...
I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice System - The Atlantic
"Ten years ago, when I started my career as an assistant district attorney in the Roxbury neighborhood of Boston, I viewed the American criminal justice system as a vital institution that protected society from dangerous people. I once prosecuted a man for brutally attacking his wife with a flashlight, and another for sexually assaulting a waitress at a nightclub. I believed in the system for good reason." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
"But in between the important cases, I found myself spending most of my time prosecuting people of color for things we white kids did with impunity growing up in the suburbs. As our office handed down arrest records and probation terms for riding dirt bikes in the street, cutting through a neighbor’s yard, hosting loud parties, fighting, or smoking weed – shenanigans that had rarely... more... - Steven Perez
Sean McBride
Caller: Officer's side of Ferguson shooting - CNN.com - http://www.cnn.com/2014...
16,000 comments! Many of the "Best" comments were deleted. - Sean McBride
I quickly scanned a few hundred of the thousands of comments -- those who are trying to defend Dorian Johnson's account of what happened in the violent confrontation between Brown and Wilson are being shredded. But the investigation is not nearly completed. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
U.S. police come under gunfire, arrest 31 in Missouri racial unrest | Reuters - http://www.reuters.com/article...
U.S. police come under gunfire, arrest 31 in Missouri racial unrest | Reuters
"U.S. police said early on Tuesday they came under heavy gunfire and arrested 31 people during another night of racially charged protests in Ferguson, Missouri, sparked by the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager by a white policeman 10 days ago." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"State Highway Patrol Captain Ron Johnson, briefing reporters on Monday's night's violence, said "our officers came under heavy gunfire" in one area. "Not a single bullet was fired by officers despite coming under heavy attack," he told a news conference. Riot police had confiscated two guns from protesters and what looked like a petrol bomb. Four officers had been injured." - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
It's somewhat satisfying to be a bit ahead of the curve/crowd on political controversies (Robert Siegel's interview with Dorian Johnson's lawyer on NPR this afternoon)
Siegel on NPR bore down hard on the points I that I have posted here over the last few days -- the strong-arm robbery, the thuggish behavior at the convenience store, the lack of wounds to the back, the report that Michael Brown charged at Darren Wilson, Dorian Johnson's questionable credibility, etc. And it was difficult for Siegel to hide his attitude towards Brown and Johnson -- skeptical, distant -- definitely not warm or friendly. These issues have all gone mainstream. - Sean McBride
Pay no attention to the momentary passions of the crowd or the mob -- they often get everything wrong. - Sean McBride
Johnson's lawyer, former St. Louis Mayor Freeman Bosley, didn't sound very enthusiastic about his client. - Sean McBride
Andrew C (✔)
So Darren Wilson has a clean record? - http://www.dailykos.com/story...
"The Ferguson police have indicated that there were no disciplinary reports in Darren Wilson's file. What Chief Jackson didn't tell anyone at any of the press conferences was that, until he took over in 2010, use of force complaints were not kept in an officer's personnel file." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
"But while the police department is trying very hard to portray Darren Wilson as a good cop, we should keep in mind the history of a department that had officers commit perjury to claim that another innocent victim bled on their uniforms. Police Officer John Beaird, Police Officer Christopher Pillarick, and Police Officer Michael White were all named in the Daily Beast article as signing the complaint and then denying the facts in their depositions." - Andrew C (✔)
"And don't forget that the policewoman, Kim Tihen, who straddled Mr. Davis and cuffed him before her fellow officers beat him badly enough to cause a concussion, is now a member of the City Council of Ferguson, as reported here by a member of Daily Kos." - Andrew C (✔)
Sean McBride
County investigation: Michael Brown was shot from the front, had marijuana in his system - The Washington Post - http://www.washingtonpost.com/news...
Nearly 1,400 comments so far; these are the top two comments in terms of number of likes: - Sean McBride
"This THUG stole cigars to make blunts, then he walked down the middle of a street, then he resisted arrest, and then he assaulted a police officer. If he had not resisted and assaulted the police officer, he would be alive today." - Sean McBride
"Seeing this guy man-handle a person half his size to steal cigars says it all to me.If we were talking Trayvon Martin,I would be on the liberals side.But this guy was'nt going to take crap from anybody.I think he tried to treat the cop the same way he did the store owner and believe when the cop started to get out of his car,this 6' 4",290 pound "boy" shut the door back on him which led to the physical altercation.And notice the first shots hit him in the arm." - Sean McBride
I don't *agree* with the comments, but I am paying attention to how public opinion is trending on this controversy on the Internet -- especially in the comment sections of the most influential publications. - Sean McBride
Third most liked comment: "I've been a police officer and a military officer. Officers are trained not to shoot unless they fear immediate, serious/life-threatening bodily harm. Once that point is reached, no department that I know of trains its rank-and-file officers to shoot to avoid deadly wound. They are trained to shoot center mass and keep on shooting until the person is down." - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
The last time Barack Obama got involved in a high profile racial case involving a cop, he ended up inviting the cop (James Crowley) to the White House to share a beer.
[Henry Louis Gates arrest controversy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...] - Sean McBride
Lesson: look before you leap. Get your ducks in a row. - Sean McBride
It's safe to say that Obama hasn't forgotten that episode. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Jay Nixon: "Given these deliberate, coordinated and intensifying violent attacks on lives and property in Ferguson, I am directing the highly capable men and women of the Missouri National Guard ... in restoring peace and order to this community."
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